| Corsac | hmhm, I forgot how impressive the N9 was without the second skin | 00:01 |
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| mgedmin | that rubber thing? | 00:37 |
| mgedmin | I put it on, looked at it, took it off | 00:37 |
| mgedmin | live fast die young (and pretty) | 00:37 |
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| rm_work | the Lumia 800 is actually quite pretty too, but the screen scratches if you look at it wrong <_< | 00:59 |
| rm_work | i had it for two days using it somewhat minimally and mine has several largish scratches on it | 00:59 |
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| Tronic | What's the difference between 800 and 900? | 01:02 |
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| rm_work | missing a lot of features i think | 01:09 |
| rm_work | 800 doesn't have NFC... | 01:10 |
| rm_work | also, LTE | 01:10 |
| rm_work | and the screen is larger on the 900 | 01:12 |
| rm_work | and the 900 has a larger battery | 01:12 |
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| Milhouse | @rm_work: no gorilla glass on lumia 800? | 01:44 |
| Milhouse | @rm_work: the n9 has gorilla glass for sure (maybe the n950 too? my n950 glass is still pristine) | 01:45 |
| Tronic | I've got no scratches on my Lumia 800 even though I haven't been careful with it. | 01:46 |
| rm_work | Yes, 800 HAS gorilla glass | 01:47 |
| rm_work | still scratched | 01:47 |
| Milhouse | that's bad luck | 01:48 |
| rm_work | I think what happened was | 01:48 |
| rm_work | it got set down on a table face down | 01:48 |
| rm_work | and then someone bumped it and it slid | 01:48 |
| rm_work | and the glass actually sticks out from the frame, so it was sitting 100% on the glass >_> | 01:48 |
| Milhouse | still wouldn't expect that to be a problem unless the table was covered in grit... seen some mad key scratching having no effect on GG | 01:48 |
| rm_work | hrm | 01:48 |
| rm_work | it's not a very deep scratch | 01:49 |
| rm_work | and not noticible really when the screen is on | 01:49 |
| rm_work | but it's definitely noticable if it's off | 01:49 |
| rm_work | and now there are more scratches than just that one | 01:49 |
| rm_work | that was the first day | 01:49 |
| rm_work | now i'm on like day 4 | 01:49 |
| rm_work | or day 5 | 01:49 |
| Milhouse | i doubt mine will ever leave the house... unlike my n950 | 01:50 |
| rm_work | i am actually liking winmo7.5 >_> | 01:50 |
| rm_work | probably going to switch to ATT so i can actually USE it | 01:50 |
| rm_work | n950 is great, but i miss things like... you know... usable apps | 01:50 |
| rm_work | that i don't write myself | 01:50 |
| rm_work | if i switch, i instantly get: Netflix, Spotify, Mobile Deposits for my bank (USAA), Yelp, better facebook integration... | 01:51 |
| rm_work | faster nokia maps | 01:51 |
| rm_work | with voice navigation now | 01:51 |
| rm_work | the software for N9(50) just... isn't there. | 01:52 |
| rm_work | :( | 01:52 |
| rm_work | the only way I had Pandora on my N950 was by porting the app myself from N900 | 01:52 |
| Milhouse | depends, the software you want isn't there - i'm perfectly happy with mine, guess we have different requirements | 01:53 |
| rm_work | Well, I' | 01:53 |
| rm_work | I'll definitely miss "Terminal" | 01:53 |
| rm_work | the ssh client i found for winmo sucks :/ | 01:53 |
| rm_work | and i'll miss the hardware keyboard -- was a dealbreaker for me, until this phone -- somehow i can actually use this vkbd... android/ios vkbd are CRAP but this thing works | 01:53 |
| Milhouse | i'm appalled you can't even use the lumia as a mass storage device without installing zune bloatware... | 01:53 |
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| rm_work | yeah :( | 01:53 |
| rm_work | but WITH that, it integrates much better with windows | 01:54 |
| rm_work | than the n950 did with the nokia software | 01:54 |
| rm_work | anyway I gotta head home... bbl <_< | 01:54 |
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| rafael2k | hi there people, have anyone managed to compile the kernel with the max threshold of the cpu freq increased? | 03:23 |
| rafael2k | SDK_Sources_PR1.1.ISO <- | 03:24 |
| rafael2k | is this the file? | 03:24 |
| rafael2k | kernel_2.6.32-20113701.10+0m6.tar.gz <- | 03:25 |
| rafael2k | ; ) | 03:25 |
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| rafael2k | nobody with an overclock enabled kernel, really? | 03:30 |
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| coffetime | does anyone know | 04:39 |
| coffetime | how to deploy to /home/user/private | 04:40 |
| coffetime | under same id as app's | 04:40 |
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| djszapi | Heh, ToolIcon is more powerful than I thought, just underdocumented about its properties :( | 09:02 |
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| jonni | rafael2k: compilation part is easy, running it stable is the hard part as some components just start to crash on higher speeds. But feel free to compile it yourself and try it out. | 09:15 |
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| matrixx | j mer | 09:27 |
| matrixx | :/ | 09:27 |
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| gabriel9 | morning | 10:02 |
| * auenf checks watch | 10:02 | |
| auenf | umm, morning... | 10:02 |
| gabriel9 | 09:03 | 10:03 |
| gabriel9 | it's morning :) | 10:03 |
| auenf | change the first 0 to a 1 | 10:03 |
| gabriel9 | US? | 10:03 |
| gabriel9 | or new zelend | 10:04 |
| auenf | US live in the past | 10:04 |
| auenf | nz live in the future | 10:04 |
| auenf | i assume you are GMT-1 ? | 10:05 |
| auenf | oh wait, DST | 10:05 |
| gabriel9 | +1 | 10:05 |
| gabriel9 | GMT +1 | 10:05 |
| auenf | yea, +1 | 10:05 |
| gabriel9 | UTC +1 :) | 10:06 |
| gabriel9 | damn this time zones | 10:06 |
| auenf | forgot its DST here still | 10:06 |
| gabriel9 | here is also | 10:08 |
| gabriel9 | i think | 10:08 |
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| gabriel9 | we change the clocks for one hour | 10:08 |
| auenf | africa? | 10:09 |
| gabriel9 | no | 10:16 |
| gabriel9 | serbia | 10:16 |
| gabriel9 | republic serbska, part of the bih | 10:16 |
| auenf | wouldnt it be winter where you are? | 10:16 |
| gabriel9 | yep | 10:16 |
| auenf | then it cant be DST atm :P | 10:17 |
| gabriel9 | oh, you are right | 10:17 |
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| gabriel9 | but we are changed clock | 10:17 |
| auenf | yea, you would have changed it back | 10:17 |
| auenf | otherwise you'll just keep moving the clock until its dark all day, and light all night :P | 10:18 |
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| gabriel9 | i don't know | 10:18 |
| gabriel9 | i just know that i come one hour earlier on work one day | 10:18 |
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| SqRt7744 | is there a way for qt-components for harmattan to be used in a desktop compilation? (for testing purposes) | 13:08 |
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| tomma | SqRt7744, yes you need to install it to desktop http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components | 13:18 |
| SqRt7744 | tomma, thanks. It's downloading now. Is there an easy way to add it to the SDK?? | 13:20 |
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| gri | PR 1.0 qt-components ship with the normal QtSDK, no need to compile them | 13:24 |
| gri | (for desktop) | 13:25 |
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| SqRt7744 | gri, wierd, it wasn't working before, but i grabbed the latest git sources and installed them and it works perfectly. super happy about this. | 13:45 |
| SqRt7744 | makes testing way faster and easier | 13:46 |
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| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/191924/ -> Hi, what do I do wrong about the simple Switch element in a rectangle on a page ? | 14:07 |
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| gri | djszapi: "switch" is a keyword | 14:10 |
| gri | you can't use it as id | 14:10 |
| djszapi | gri: tell it to the example then :) | 14:11 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-switch.html?tab=1 | 14:11 |
| gri | qt examples often contain errors :) | 14:11 |
| xarcass | djszapi: i've thought that component loading is asynchronous, so i'd rather made onStatusChanged: handler for it | 14:11 |
| djszapi | gri: mr sent :) | 14:15 |
| djszapi | thanks ! | 14:16 |
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| djszapi | Has anybody already made a settings page with Harmattan components ? | 14:28 |
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| xarcass | djszapi: i'm not completely sure that i've properly parsed your question: do you mean some kind of settings dialog inside an app, or settings plugin which goes into phone's "Settings" app? | 14:47 |
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| djszapi | I meant to say settings page. | 14:57 |
| djszapi | I do not need any integration with the global one. | 14:57 |
| djszapi | but it does not matter after all as long as both versions would be just a page. | 14:58 |
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| admiral0 | djszapi: ping | 15:00 |
| xarcass | djszapi: then i don't know what's so special about settings dialog.. i've made several - just ordinary thing.. | 15:00 |
| djszapi | admiral0: pont | 15:00 |
| admiral0 | djszapi: invalid response | 15:00 |
| djszapi | then pint ;-) | 15:00 |
| admiral0 | djszapi: i'm packaging a py script | 15:00 |
| admiral0 | does it need any aegis manifest? | 15:01 |
| djszapi | xarcass: the special issue is that, it is nice if setting pages look uniform... | 15:01 |
| admiral0 | it only uses gconfù | 15:01 |
| admiral0 | and executes as user | 15:01 |
| admiral0 | using upstart for that | 15:01 |
| djszapi | I would like to become a millionaire, do I need an apple ? | 15:01 |
| djszapi | depends on what I do, right ? | 15:02 |
| admiral0 | yes | 15:02 |
| djszapi | (precisely) | 15:02 |
| xarcass | djszapi: well, I've made it uniform with other app's pages | 15:02 |
| admiral0 | the only critical thing, as i told you is gconf | 15:02 |
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| djszapi | xarcass: the special issue is that I need i t in qml ... | 15:02 |
| djszapi | the existing ones are not qml. | 15:02 |
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| djszapi | admiral0: why not try and see ? | 15:03 |
| djszapi | and come back if there are issues ? | 15:03 |
| admiral0 | ok | 15:03 |
| admiral0 | will try | 15:03 |
| admiral0 | :) | 15:03 |
| admiral0 | i start to get debs | 15:03 |
| xarcass | djszapi: you mean: all the app is not in QML, but you want settings dialog in QML? well, then this is too complicated for me, i'm afraid | 15:04 |
| djszapi | that is not what I meant. | 15:04 |
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| djszapi | existing setting pages are not written in qml (mostly) afaik. | 15:04 |
| xarcass | djszapi: then it would involve some amount of dull and boring monkey coding :) I could've send you some pieces of my past work in this area, but i doubt that they will be of any help.. | 15:07 |
| djszapi | well, I have rough idea how to do it, but I would learn from others' work too. | 15:08 |
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| djszapi | I need to find this icon for the selectiondialog, too | 15:09 |
| djszapi | this combined up/down, if you recall it, for instance in the DeviceLock settings. | 15:10 |
| xarcass | djszapi: doesn't ring a bell.. in my app it's always starts from the menu on the root page | 15:12 |
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| djszapi | faenil: o/ | 15:12 |
| faenil | o/ | 15:12 |
| gri | djszapi: I think you use merge requesting wrong :) Gitorious does not do cherry-picking because it's stupid ... you have to create a new branch for each merge request, otherwise you submit all other changes again | 15:13 |
| djszapi | that is not any wrong | 15:13 |
| djszapi | it is just comfy, really... The merger guy is fine with this, so why bother ? | 15:14 |
| gri | https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/merge_requests/1264 | 15:14 |
| gri | your one-line merge request also contains all commits for the former merge requests | 15:14 |
| djszapi | again, why bother if it is nice for both of us ? | 15:14 |
| xarcass | djszapi: haven't touched this for months.. dunno it it's even working.. and it has russian titles. hope it'll help http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4011390/rian_news.tar.bz2 | 15:14 |
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| gri | djszapi: well I was just saying that it's not easy to distinguish the merge requests. If the merger is fine with this, ok | 15:15 |
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| djszapi | if you were already at it, you could check it he well merged the similar previous ones as well without any issues. | 15:16 |
| djszapi | so why make more work for myself then ? | 15:16 |
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| gri | djszapi: The point was just: I would like gitorious to allow cherry picking :) | 15:17 |
| djszapi | I do not maintain gitorious. ;-) | 15:18 |
| djszapi | btw, I found the icon if anybody is interested in this: icon-m-common-combobox-arrow.png | 15:21 |
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| djszapi | is there a meego themes icon browser btw ? | 15:22 |
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| djszapi | gri: also be aware that does not matter what gets into master. It is not a guarantee to be in the release anyway. | 15:28 |
| gri | I think I will supply qt-components with my application so it's atleast always compatible :P | 15:29 |
| djszapi | not really. | 15:30 |
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| djszapi | that would actually break my application for instance. | 15:30 |
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| djszapi | is there any reason why I cannot use "LD_LIBRARY_PATH" setting in the Exe line of the desktop file, just as I would run it through the command line thingie ? | 15:51 |
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| Aard | it's not a 'setting', it's an environment variable. and the desktop file parser is only interested in the binary itself, not additional environment variables | 15:53 |
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| Aard | use a shell wrapper if you need it for some reason | 15:54 |
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| djszapi | Aard: that is exactly what people would like to avoid | 15:55 |
| djszapi | since if you use involved libraries you need to write a hacky script which is .. well, uncool. | 15:55 |
| Aard | 'if you use involved libraries'? | 15:56 |
| Aard | anyway, you can always use -rpath if you put libraries in non-default-locations | 15:57 |
| djszapi | easier said than done | 15:57 |
| djszapi | especially if you have more library dependency layers, for instance: qtspecial -> kdecore -> kdeui -> kdedeclarative -> kdeedu -> the real app | 15:57 |
| djszapi | involved libraries -> the library dependencies of your package which are not available from the apps "repository". | 15:58 |
| Iktwo | hi, is here a way to set a dependency for the package wireless-tools? | 15:59 |
| Aard | in that case just have your libraries install path descriptions to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/? | 15:59 |
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| djszapi | Aard: you mean to say I can install a file in there to amend the LD_* operation ? | 16:00 |
| Aard | install files there and call ldconfig, then you'll have all libraries in the additional paths in the ld cache | 16:00 |
| djszapi | (and run the ld conf in a postinst script for sure) | 16:00 |
| Aard | both LD_LIBRAR_PATH and -rpath are hacks which only should be used in very special circumstances, when you're know what you're doing | 16:01 |
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| djszapi | agree, both are a big hackery. | 16:03 |
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| djszapi | especially messing up when screwing up with rpath in madde :) | 16:03 |
| djszapi | (a.k.a. qtcreator thingie for instance) | 16:04 |
| Aard | so, if you ship libraries in 3rd party directories you expect others to use -> install something to ld.so.conf.d; if you install a shared library only for your application it's fine to use -rpath | 16:04 |
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| djszapi | Aard: rpath is not doable. | 16:08 |
| djszapi | you do not really wanna depend on the fact whether or not used proper rpaths in your library dependencies. | 16:08 |
| djszapi | one used* | 16:09 |
| Aard | djszapi: 'if you install a shared library only for your application' -> _you_ have total control over where application and library go, so rpatch works | 16:09 |
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| khertan1 | Hello ! | 16:11 |
| djszapi | Aard: which is of course not the case. | 16:11 |
| djszapi | even on debian a very /huge/ groups package these kde thingy. | 16:11 |
| djszapi | group* | 16:12 |
| djszapi | but even if I did it alone, rpath is just really very error-prone, if I miss it somewhere. | 16:12 |
| djszapi | and even if I set it on every layer, setting one envvar is way cleaner. | 16:12 |
| Aard | djszapi: then the first clause in my sentence applies, which points you to ld.so.conf.d | 16:13 |
| admiral0 | djszapi: lol malf | 16:13 |
| djszapi | Aard: just tried, ldconf, did not work in the practice. | 16:13 |
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| nwoki | hi all. I'm having problems locking my n9 app to landscape view. | 16:15 |
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| djszapi | nwoki: you wanna get an app from ovi | 16:16 |
| nwoki | It seems to do the lock, but my application's view has h: 854 and w: 480 even though in the source code i set the viewerTo->showExpanded() | 16:16 |
| nwoki | djszapi: nope | 16:16 |
| djszapi | nwoki: then just use the platform api, what is so hard ? :) | 16:16 |
| Aard | djszapi: then you're doing something wrong. just tried it on my device to make sure, and it works | 16:16 |
| Aard | you should find the library names in /etc/ld.so.cache if all worked | 16:17 |
| nwoki | djszapi: that my app doesn't get the correct w and h | 16:17 |
| djszapi | Aard: I find it really hackish in comparison with one variable for that session | 16:17 |
| djszapi | you basically pollute the stuff. | 16:17 |
| Aard | guess why they introduced a config directory for ldconf stuff? to make it easy to throw stuff in | 16:17 |
| djszapi | or is it valid only for my session ? | 16:18 |
| Aard | no, it's systemwide | 16:18 |
| djszapi | it is not my way then. | 16:18 |
| djszapi | I would not like to pollute the system-wide thingie just because of my session. | 16:18 |
| nwoki | height and width are switched for no reason | 16:18 |
| Aard | you have libraries of no use to other people? then you should really use rpath | 16:19 |
| djszapi | Aard: I think you do not know how this thing works. | 16:19 |
| Aard | what is 'this thing'? | 16:19 |
| djszapi | Aard: I would not like to force anybody for /my/ imported library version. | 16:20 |
| djszapi | it is quite normal on Harmattan and Android apps have the dependency libraries in their /opt/myapp/lib/ hiarchy. | 16:20 |
| djszapi | hierarchy* | 16:20 |
| djszapi | They do not share it until there is a size or whatever limitation. | 16:20 |
| djszapi | so the problem mentioned by you does not exist by default. | 16:20 |
| Aard | yes, and from what you said it sounded like you are packaging more complex libraries for reuse | 16:21 |
| djszapi | nah.... | 16:21 |
| Aard | if that's not the case rpath would be the proper solution | 16:21 |
| djszapi | wait, I need to explain it because you do not understand: | 16:21 |
| djszapi | there is a whole bunch of qt and kde stack with many libraries on both sides, and even abstraction on top of that, like kdeedu module, kdegames or what not. | 16:22 |
| Aard | I am somewhat familiar with the kde stuff, had the misfortune of packaging some parts of it | 16:22 |
| djszapi | they are packaged by packagers (currently almost only me) | 16:22 |
| djszapi | and what kde app developers do is simply grabbing a version for now because there is only one available version, BUT | 16:23 |
| djszapi | there is also a libkok version on the device by default for the calligra thingie | 16:23 |
| djszapi | so there are already a sort of collide situation. | 16:23 |
| djszapi | so the decision was made at the KDE Harmattan sprint, we try to package into our hierarchy until the size gets limited. | 16:23 |
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| djszapi | rpath does not work for several reasons: | 16:24 |
| djszapi | I have not repackaged the whole qt/kde stack for fun. Secondly it is impossible to solve it technically nicely. | 16:24 |
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| djszapi | because you need to make such hackeries then, like: "DCMAKE_INSTALL_RPATH=/opt/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx \" | 16:25 |
| djszapi | "xxxx..." represent a very long path that you can then override in your kde application | 16:25 |
| Aard | well, people in this situation on other platforms (like, solaris) _do_ use rpath, it is quite possible, though I know that the kde situation is quite messy | 16:25 |
| djszapi | because it is not extensible otherwise. | 16:25 |
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| Aard | but if you don't want that the only option left is a shell wrapper | 16:26 |
| djszapi | it is not about the kde situation | 16:28 |
| djszapi | it is an abstract issue. Do not get me wrong. | 16:28 |
| djszapi | On the other hand, rpath will just heroically fail in madde, sadly enough. | 16:28 |
| djszapi | and epically. | 16:28 |
| djszapi | so what you did not probably understand is that, there are no such things like shipping a library system-wise | 16:29 |
| Aard | well, like I said, the proper solution (which is used across all flavours of unix) here would be rpath, if you don't want that for whatever reason you're left with a shell wrapper | 16:29 |
| djszapi | and for good since everybody could start shipping them into anything with many loader path | 16:29 |
| djszapi | and ... that would end up a really messy system. | 16:29 |
| Aard | yes, it sounded to me like you want to have it reuasable, in which case you should use the ld.so.conf.d | 16:29 |
| djszapi | precisely the opposite. | 16:30 |
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| djszapi | otherwise there would be no real guarantee my library is okay except the situation where we can have a messed up ${X}/lib with many library variants. | 16:30 |
| djszapi | and zillion plugins for sure ... otherwise you can be fairly clean with plugins too. | 16:31 |
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| djszapi | Aard: isn't there some variable setting in the desktop file standard ? /me has never checked. | 16:33 |
| Aard | not that I know of | 16:35 |
| djszapi | that is a pity. | 16:35 |
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| Biappi | "15:35:28: Failed to upload package: Failure " | 16:36 |
| Biappi | there is a way to get more useful diagnostics? | 16:36 |
| Aard | http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html | 16:36 |
| Aard | you're supposed to either have proper rpath settings, or the library configured through your dynamic linker, so for the desktop file standard it does not really make sense to need this option | 16:37 |
| djszapi | Aard: When I last checked the standard in Berlin during the KDE Harmattan sprint in November, I did not see such an entry. | 16:37 |
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| djszapi | I do not see how it could not make sense, here is a valid use case for almost all the kde developers | 16:38 |
| djszapi | but then again, it is not just KDE specific issue. | 16:38 |
| Aard | it's a harmattan/meego specific use, usually you don't have different copies of the libraries around permanently | 16:39 |
| Aard | (or if you do you can use rpath) | 16:39 |
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| djszapi | no, it is not harmattan/meego specific | 16:39 |
| djszapi | it can be any open mobile linux specific | 16:39 |
| djszapi | I told you many times why we could not use rpath | 16:40 |
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| Aard | at least right now there are not that many mobile linux devices out there which allow 3rd party packages | 16:40 |
| nwoki | mm anyone know why "orientationLock: PageOrientation.LockLandscape;" should not work? | 16:41 |
| Aard | and I told you several times if you can't use rpath (which they do for similar situations on other platforms) you'll have to live with a shell wrapper | 16:41 |
| djszapi | we should have a .mobile file standard :D | 16:41 |
| djszapi | Aard: your last sentence does not add much information. That is what I said in the beginning, I would like to avoid | 16:41 |
| djszapi | but apparently, the desktop file standard was decided before the whole mobile concept. | 16:41 |
| Aard | yes, but if you can't use rpath you can't avoid it | 16:41 |
| djszapi | this is not my consequence | 16:42 |
| djszapi | I can avoid it. | 16:42 |
| djszapi | my consequence is what I said: the desktop standard lacks certain features. | 16:42 |
| Aard | no, on other platforms they solve it using rpath, which you don't want | 16:43 |
| djszapi | I highly doubt others prefer nasty hacks. | 16:44 |
| Aard | rpath is not a nasty hack | 16:44 |
| djszapi | when you can just set one variable with one additional past. | 16:44 |
| djszapi | it is | 16:44 |
| djszapi | if you do not understand my example above about the very long name hack, please try to dig in the details. | 16:44 |
| djszapi | also, as I said, it is desperate enough with madde and cmake anyway. | 16:45 |
| djszapi | and actually even non-functioning, if the library does not come as expected. | 16:45 |
| djszapi | if the library comes in a wrong way (without a very hackish long rpath setting), you are kind in a situation that you cannot fix. | 16:46 |
| djszapi | and you do not really wanna trust everybody in the world does the cool thing. | 16:46 |
| Aard | I thought we were talking about libraries _you_ are providing. there you just need to provide the actual pathnames | 16:47 |
| djszapi | no | 16:47 |
| djszapi | you really think everybody will build their libraries ? | 16:48 |
| djszapi | every app developer will build his/herdependencies from the ground up ? | 16:48 |
| djszapi | no...that is not how their workflow looks like, it is pretty different: they grab the dynamic libraries from the packaged application, for instance this is where OBS or anything else comes to exist. | 16:49 |
| Aard | if you don't you should use the stack linked to the correct libraries, which gives you no problems as well | 16:49 |
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| djszapi | except that if you have simultaneous stacks. | 16:50 |
| Aard | yes, but you want to stay inside one, not mix components from different stacks | 16:50 |
| djszapi | that is untrue | 16:51 |
| djszapi | say, I would like to build an educational game, I will use kde-edu and kde-games, right ? | 16:51 |
| Aard | yes | 16:51 |
| djszapi | for instance with plasma components, so I add kde-runtime, too ? | 16:51 |
| djszapi | they are simultaneous stacks. | 16:51 |
| djszapi | and there are much more than that ... | 16:51 |
| Aard | yes. and your application has rpath-settings to find all those stacks, and the libraries have rpath-settings to find their dependencies | 16:52 |
| djszapi | that is not how rpath works. | 16:55 |
| djszapi | it will work according to the override rules along with the limitation it cannot be extensible. | 16:57 |
| djszapi | and of course you cannot even base on the fact, libraries used it properly anyway | 16:57 |
| djszapi | how would a library developer do proper rpath for everybody ? | 16:58 |
| djszapi | for each separate application hiearchy. | 16:58 |
| djszapi | they could not even do it, if they wanted. | 16:58 |
| djszapi | I hope you understand by now what you did not understand previously ;-) | 16:59 |
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| admiral0 | anyone want to test? | 17:02 |
| admiral0 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81798 | 17:02 |
| admiral0 | deb is in post #2 | 17:02 |
| Biappi | hello guys | 17:03 |
| djszapi | admiral0: I have a business, I will test it on the way home, if you also test my app then :p | 17:03 |
| Biappi | i need a bit of help in debugging the deployment process | 17:03 |
| djszapi | Biappi: shoot | 17:03 |
| Biappi | 15:58:33: Failed to upload package: Failure / 15:58:33: Deploy step failed. | 17:03 |
| Biappi | that's everything i get in the logs | 17:03 |
| admiral0 | djszapi: shoot | 17:03 |
| djszapi | Biappi: QtSDK thingie ? | 17:03 |
| Biappi | yes | 17:03 |
| admiral0 | djszapi: i already tested Venemo's puzzle thingie | 17:04 |
| admiral0 | so i can test yours too | 17:04 |
| Biappi | osx, if that's an useful info. | 17:04 |
| Biappi | all the test i can think of passes, (i.e. i can connect to the device via ssh and sftp) | 17:04 |
| djszapi | admiral0: was just joking, I will test your on the way to home anyway. :) | 17:05 |
| Aard | djszapi: unless I mess up linker behaviour between platforms, in the library you only need rpath information to find the dependencies of the library itself | 17:05 |
| nwoki | guys, another question: is it normal that in my simulator I have the n9 only in PORTRAIT mode ? | 17:07 |
| nwoki | the model selector says explicitly "Nokia n9 (portrait)" | 17:08 |
| nwoki | may this be the cause for me not being able to set my app in landscape mode? | 17:08 |
| admiral0 | nwoki: on what system are you? | 17:08 |
| nwoki | admiral0: linux | 17:08 |
| admiral0 | xrandr -o 1 | 17:09 |
| djszapi | Aard: but that is the point | 17:09 |
| admiral0 | enjoy your new portrait simulator+ computer display | 17:09 |
| djszapi | X library of the Y library is not available | 17:09 |
| nwoki | admiral0: ?? | 17:09 |
| djszapi | X and Y will be shipped my KDE application | 17:09 |
| djszapi | so will it be with other KDE apps | 17:09 |
| nwoki | admiral0: i don't get what you said | 17:09 |
| djszapi | so how would you know the /current/ rpath of Y ? | 17:09 |
| djszapi | There is no way to know that. | 17:10 |
| djszapi | X library dependency of the Y library is not available* | 17:10 |
| Aard | djszapi: oh, you mean you _relocate_ prebuilt shared libraries with rpath? | 17:10 |
| djszapi | unsure what you mean. | 17:11 |
| nwoki | admiral0: my simulator is already in portrait. I need Landscape mode | 17:11 |
| Aard | you have libraries with rpath to /opt/foo and /opt/bar. now you take them, and ship them on /opt/foobar, breaking the rpath? | 17:11 |
| admiral0 | nwoki: afaik here is no way to get landscape in simulator | 17:11 |
| admiral0 | xrandr -o 1 rotates your entire screen | 17:11 |
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| djszapi | Aard: it will be broken unless you use my /very/ long hackery. | 17:12 |
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| djszapi | and why use such a scary long stuff ? Why trust anybody using that under your foot ? | 17:12 |
| nwoki | admiral0: but what will happen if i put my app on the device? | 17:12 |
| Aard | djszapi: is that the scenario, that you put the library in a different path then compiled in? | 17:12 |
| djszapi | no | 17:12 |
| admiral0 | if you use qtcreator initial code it will auto-rotate | 17:12 |
| djszapi | Aard: the scenario, as I said in the beginning, you have an /opt/myapp/lib stuff. | 17:13 |
| djszapi | so have you /opt/myapp/bin/myexecutable. | 17:13 |
| djszapi | that is for runtime, and then you of course also have compilation time hiearchy too for sure. | 17:14 |
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| djszapi | sinec you need to make sure everything works fine, and you do not use system-wide thingy. | 17:14 |
| djszapi | but anyway, we can have such a proposal for the next desktop standard, if any :) | 17:14 |
| admiral0 | djszapi: be sure to reboot after installing74 | 17:14 |
| djszapi | admiral0: that is gonna be acceptable in OVI | 17:15 |
| djszapi | it is not Windows man. | 17:15 |
| Aard | djszapi: what you just explained will not break rpath, unless there are additional conditions | 17:15 |
| djszapi | you do rarely need to reboot a Linux machine | 17:15 |
| djszapi | Aard: you do not understand then how rpath works | 17:15 |
| admiral0 | ?! | 17:15 |
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| admiral0 | i was saying about my deb | 17:16 |
| djszapi | admiral0: I know. | 17:16 |
| Aard | djszapi: the only reason this might break is when you copy a libraries into /opt/myapp/lib which have an rpath for a different directory hierarchy | 17:16 |
| djszapi | and that is what I have been saying for an hour... | 17:17 |
| Aard | well, and doing this is stupid | 17:17 |
| djszapi | no way every people in the world would use it, and if that was the case, it does not even work technically. | 17:17 |
| djszapi | yes, using rpath in this situation is pretty stupid. | 17:18 |
| Aard | no, just copying arbitrary binaries is stupid | 17:18 |
| djszapi | no | 17:18 |
| djszapi | that is what we and also Android Qt folks do | 17:18 |
| djszapi | not accidentally. | 17:18 |
| khertan1 | taking android as a reference | 17:19 |
| khertan1 | hihihi | 17:19 |
| djszapi | because as I said, you will not end up zillion versions and plugins for your app | 17:19 |
| djszapi | just what you need. | 17:19 |
| khertan1 | you are still funny djszapi | 17:19 |
| djszapi | khertan1: yes, the Android Qt guys have a pretty good concept | 17:19 |
| khertan1 | yeah yeah | 17:19 |
| khertan1 | sure ... | 17:19 |
| khertan1 | haha | 17:19 |
| jonni | just got my new cyan Lumia 800 today... just booting it up 1st time.... | 17:19 |
| djszapi | please do not troll about the platform, I am not referring to that, if you listen to my words. | 17:19 |
| Aard | I'd not call this a 'concept', I'd call this a dirty hack | 17:19 |
| djszapi | hahahahaha | 17:19 |
| djszapi | dirty hack to not have zillion versions and plugins around ? | 17:20 |
| djszapi | but you have better control for your app... I mean seriously ? | 17:20 |
| khertan1 | zillions version by apps | 17:20 |
| khertan1 | yeah ... far better | 17:20 |
| khertan1 | so we didn't need too real packaging tool | 17:20 |
| djszapi | Aard: I am not sure you have ever developed just even with two different versions | 17:21 |
| khertan1 | a zip is enough | 17:21 |
| djszapi | but it was 1-2 weeks for us to figure out a bug due to that collide situation | 17:21 |
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| djszapi | and that was just libkok and my kde library with out /any/ other versions, or plugins. | 17:21 |
| Aard | djszapi: like I mentioned earlier, on solaris for several libraries it's default situation to have several versions installed in different locations | 17:21 |
| djszapi | ohh not just 100 libraries, but even 100 locations.. | 17:22 |
| djszapi | getting simpler really ;) | 17:22 |
| Aard | the proper solution for this situation would be extending ld to allow proper separation of different versions of shared libraries, and not including the libraries with each application | 17:22 |
| djszapi | and how is that easier than an environment variable setting ? | 17:23 |
| djszapi | I mean ... srsly ? | 17:23 |
| nwoki | it's the PageStackWindow that messes it all up | 17:23 |
| Aard | because with the environment variable setting you still can get the collisions which lead to quite interesting segfaults, and are hard to debug | 17:23 |
| Aard | it's not easier in the short term, but the only sane solution in the long term | 17:24 |
| djszapi | never had any segfaults. | 17:24 |
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| djszapi | actually the practice have been saying the opposite for people (including me) | 17:24 |
| djszapi | has* | 17:24 |
| Aard | right now you're doing something the linux userland is not designed to handle, and instead of thinking about adapting the userland design you're hacking around it | 17:25 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 17:25 |
| Aard | you will get segfaults if accidentally a wrong library version gets pulled in | 17:25 |
| djszapi | but that is the point | 17:25 |
| djszapi | there is no wrong library version | 17:25 |
| djszapi | exactly my point, we avoid that with this. | 17:25 |
| djszapi | so unsure you understand the concept, probably not yet.. | 17:26 |
| Aard | no, you don't. you maybe _mostly_ avoid it with this, but you'll still have lot's of problems you can run into during development and deployment | 17:26 |
| djszapi | actually the practice has been saying the opposite for people (including me) | 17:26 |
| Aard | you just mentioned problems with a wrong version of libkok beeing pulled in, which was hard to debug. with proper userland support for separated libraries this would not have been hard to debug | 17:27 |
| djszapi | you might wanna continue this topic with the kde build system guru, Alexander. He might be able to explain to you more understandbly. | 17:27 |
| djszapi | I feel that I said everything, and just repeating myself. | 17:28 |
| djszapi | Aard: it /was" a "proper userland support" | 17:28 |
| djszapi | /was/ | 17:28 |
| djszapi | that is why we realized rpath is ftl. | 17:28 |
| Aard | no, linux does _not_ have proper userland support for having coexisting versions of shared libraries | 17:28 |
| djszapi | that is what the damn LD_* was designed | 17:29 |
| djszapi | to not pollute the stuff system-wise | 17:29 |
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| djszapi | that is what I have been saying for an hour really ... | 17:29 |
| djszapi | no real support -> /huge/ trouble -> possible without separation | 17:29 |
| * djszapi feels like repeating himself. | 17:29 | |
| Aard | no, the LD_ was designed as development aid, and to migrate between to library versions. it was never menat to be used as a permanent variable | 17:30 |
| Aard | you seem to lack some classic basic unix concepts | 17:30 |
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| djszapi | no, that is unfortunately not true. | 17:31 |
| djszapi | because they never thought about separated concept for libraries properly, as you also said anyway | 17:31 |
| Aard | elf libraries have support for version numbers, so in theory it would be possible for an application to request a specific version of a library, but linux does only have partial support for this | 17:31 |
| djszapi | so it was all and nice until separation was introduced | 17:31 |
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| djszapi | but ldconf, rpath and all thsoe dirty concepts are outdated. | 17:31 |
| djszapi | if you wanna make a clean separation. | 17:32 |
| djszapi | and that is what we want. | 17:32 |
| Aard | you can't do clean separation without userland support, which you don't have (just duplicating libraries dozen of times in private hierarchies is a dirty hack around the userland shortcomings, not clean separation) | 17:33 |
| djszapi | and apparently not just we, but android and other developers, too. | 17:33 |
| djszapi | it is a clean separation | 17:33 |
| djszapi | the best separation ever. | 17:33 |
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| djszapi | until (as I said) we face size limitation | 17:33 |
| djszapi | but since we had libraries like 1.4 MB, who cares. | 17:33 |
| djszapi | and 5-6 KDE apps. | 17:33 |
| khertan1 | djszapi: best separation, as best as aegis for security ... | 17:36 |
| djszapi | of course static linking would be the best, but certain licenses do not allow that in each case. Not that it would be doable in the long run either. | 17:36 |
| khertan1 | without trolling | 17:36 |
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| Aard | no, best would be support from ld to register your library configuration there, with other packages beeing able to request it | 17:37 |
| khertan1 | it ll be nice, a lib which suffer a security hole will require that whole app using this lib reinstall it | 17:37 |
| khertan1 | nice | 17:37 |
| djszapi | Aard: I do not live in the dream world. | 17:37 |
| djszapi | I cook with the current ingredients. | 17:37 |
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| Aard | if only some of the manpower which went into getting those hacks working would've been spent on extending ld we probably had it by now ;) | 17:38 |
| djszapi | go for it ? | 17:38 |
| djszapi | it seems you wanna that feature, so why persuade others instead of doing it ? | 17:39 |
| djszapi | I had issues with qt-components, I pushed the patches, isn't it how open source works ? :) | 17:39 |
| Aard | I never had this problem. it's just sad to see what people who have that problem do instead of fixing it | 17:39 |
| djszapi | Although, I am pretty sure the develoeprs would reject it | 17:39 |
| djszapi | otherwise it would have been added in the early days...so why beat a dead horse ? | 17:40 |
| Aard | it was not added in the early days because there was no need for such a feature. until recently 99% of the software on the average linux box came packaged from the distributor, or from people who used what the distributor packaged | 17:41 |
| Aard | like I said before, linux ld does not use all elf features because there never was a need | 17:41 |
| djszapi | and of course the desktop standard extension is not just about LD ... Do not get the problem tight to one specific use case of the zillions. | 17:41 |
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| djszapi | I do not believe this sorry. | 17:41 |
| djszapi | the mobile and similar concepts were not added yesterday to the world. | 17:41 |
| djszapi | but anyway, I am happy to see you patching this. :) | 17:42 |
| djszapi | We are really happy with one variable setting. | 17:42 |
| djszapi | instead of spending enormous time with patches and bikeshed discussions. | 17:42 |
| Aard | well, look at commercial unix systems where there _was_ a need for that feature, since 3rd party often shipped similar libraries -- they do have better separation | 17:42 |
| djszapi | shame on them they did not make it upstream ? | 17:43 |
| ZogG_lap1op | X-Fade: ping | 17:43 |
| djszapi | and of course that is the commercial world, that is what they are getting paid for. | 17:43 |
| Aard | you do understand what 'commercial unix' is? | 17:43 |
| djszapi | I am not getting paid for ld, not much interest in that either. | 17:43 |
| Aard | the elf specification has partial support for stuff like this, commercial unix variants implement it because they need it -- linux does not, since it wasn't needed | 17:44 |
| djszapi | we do not spend our time for fun with long hacks ? | 17:44 |
| Aard | and if you look at older mobile distributions -- quite often most of the stuff was built in a similar scheme like for the desktop distribution, where you didn't need to ship tons of libraries | 17:44 |
| djszapi | we do things we really enjoy in our leisure time, if it works for one variable ? | 17:45 |
| djszapi | and I think our way we chose is the best solution out of the gradients. | 17:45 |
| Aard | well, that kind of attitude is one of the reasons why I only touch kde-stuff when I get paid for it | 17:46 |
| djszapi | Aard: and where are those distributions now, in the garbage ? | 17:46 |
| Aard | angstrom? yes, I'd say mostly garbage | 17:46 |
| djszapi | well, that kind of attitude is one of the reasons why I only touch kde-stuff when I get paid for it -> At least you got my point by now ... | 17:46 |
| djszapi | took a while... | 17:46 |
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| djszapi | and of course we will not patch zillion other binaries just because environment variable setting is not possible in the desktop standard. | 17:47 |
| djszapi | there are probably zillion other cases where it would end up. | 17:48 |
| Aard | which leads to the very beginning: use a wrapper... | 17:48 |
| djszapi | we did in November. | 17:48 |
| djszapi | but this is behind my point. | 17:48 |
| djszapi | I wanted to know whether the desktop standard can aid to do the same what I can do on command line | 17:49 |
| djszapi | but apparently not. | 17:49 |
| djszapi | so it has only partial execution support. | 17:49 |
| Aard | that's the part where we disagree, I'd say it has full support, and the feature you want needs to be done in a different layer | 17:49 |
| djszapi | no | 17:50 |
| djszapi | you cannot disagree with that it has full execution support the command line. | 17:50 |
| Biappi | [ot][rant] i'm comforting myself with the thought of stroustroup and all the c++ committee burning the helliest of all hells. | 17:50 |
| djszapi | has* | 17:50 |
| djszapi | does not have* | 17:50 |
| djszapi | because it is a fact, not personal taste. | 17:51 |
| djszapi | what you can say, it should not, but that is personal taste. | 17:51 |
| djszapi | even if one just debugs the application, it would be super cool instead of messing up with ld files and rpath for debugging. | 17:53 |
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| faenil | is there any screen protector for the n950? | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I have got an ipad screen protector to cut one out from. | 18:07 |
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| djszapi | Aard: thanks for the discussion, unfortunately I need to leave. | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | It seems to work from a prototype I did | 18:07 |
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| faenil | I see... thanks :) | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Coincidentally, my brother just got a laser cutter. | 18:09 |
| faenil | lol | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | So I'm going to get him to cut me out one, rahter than screwing with scissors | 18:09 |
| faenil | :) | 18:09 |
| Iktwo | I use an e7's screen protector for n950 | 18:11 |
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| faenil | does it fit perfectly? | 18:11 |
| Iktwo | well I did not cut it | 18:12 |
| Iktwo | so.. it works for me | 18:12 |
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| faenil | It's not for you :D | 18:12 |
| Iktwo | lol | 18:12 |
| faenil | does it fit perfectly or does it now? :D | 18:12 |
| faenil | not? | 18:12 |
| Iktwo | it covers all the screen, but not the area above it | 18:13 |
| faenil | ok thanks :) | 18:13 |
| lucido | hello, how is the "wait" animation with the circle in the middle of the screen implemented? | 18:17 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | lucido: search for busyindicator | 18:28 |
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| lucido | ZogG_lap1op, thanks, the one in the phone ui is not circular. musst be a different one | 18:52 |
| Biappi | mmh, i guess it's worth to ask it again. | 18:54 |
| Biappi | someone knows how to debug the deployment of binaries to the n9 using qtcreator? | 18:54 |
| Biappi | i get next to no error at all, and i'm struggling to have the project on device :/ | 18:55 |
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| artemma | Biappi: what sort of error? | 19:03 |
| artemma | can't connect to remote server or anything like that? | 19:03 |
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| Biappi | artemma: 15:58:33: Failed to upload package: Failure / 15:58:33: Deploy step failed | 19:04 |
| Biappi | i can connect to the device with ssh or sftp | 19:04 |
| artemma | Biappi: that's just some connection problem | 19:04 |
| artemma | I have it once in a while | 19:04 |
| Biappi | ok, ok i was compiling for simulator, lemme recompile for the target | 19:04 |
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| artemma | sometimes everything works fine after several retrials | 19:04 |
| artemma | sometimes reboot of the device or restart of QtCreator helps | 19:04 |
| Biappi | it's literally all day that i;m trying :/ | 19:05 |
| artemma | Biappi: Once or twice I had it for something like a day | 19:05 |
| artemma | then it was fixed on its own | 19:05 |
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| artemma | Biappi: double check the IP address just in case it's changed | 19:05 |
| Biappi | artemma: can you confirm that's something like this? http://pastie.org/private/qhimpwujdjt5qchxrwepw | 19:06 |
| artemma | and push the test button in hardware devices to check that QtCreator can connect to it | 19:06 |
| artemma | Biappi: I didn't keep a record, yet I believe I had something like this several times | 19:06 |
| Biappi | okay. | 19:07 |
| artemma | more often it is "Cannot connect to server" though | 19:07 |
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| Biappi | ah. | 19:07 |
| Biappi | artemma: ok thanks | 19:08 |
| Biappi | i'll try tomorrow | 19:08 |
| Biappi | and hope | 19:08 |
| * artemma is lucky to have both N950 and N9. When one starts faileing uploads, I switch to the other one | 19:08 | |
| artemma | Biappi: reboot of both laptop and device helps always or nearly always | 19:08 |
| artemma | that is an overkill though. I am not sure what exactly needs to be restarted | 19:08 |
| Biappi | i'm pitiful enough that i've been moved from being iphone-dev to qt/symbian-dev with the new year. | 19:08 |
| artemma | Biappi: you are probably the only person of this kind. Most of Symbian devs are not trying to move elsewhere from Symbian :) | 19:09 |
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| Biappi | i noticed... in one older project i've worked on, someone reimplemented the symbian classes (Tdes and Vector.. that stuff there) to be used in linux/iphone | 19:10 |
| Biappi | joy of life! | 19:10 |
| artemma | there's never enough good Vectors :) | 19:10 |
| Biappi | yup, but there's always scarsity of vec3f/vec4f :) | 19:11 |
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| lucido | Component.onCompleted: doesnt seem to work | 19:26 |
| lucido | how to execute code on the loading of my qml file? | 19:27 |
| radiofree | lucido: Component.onCompleted: console.log("foo") doesn't work? | 19:28 |
| radiofree | if you're doing it dynamically then you'll only get that after component.createObject() | 19:29 |
| lucido | radiofree, this is the beginning of my qml: http://pastebin.com/4ynsFRTY, what do you mean by dynamically? | 19:30 |
| radiofree | lucido: i mean if you do something like var qmlcomponent = Qt.createComponent("foo.qml"); | 19:33 |
| radiofree | lucido: try putting console.log("Component.onCompleted") at the top of that function | 19:34 |
| radiofree | maybe there's some error? | 19:35 |
| lucido | I'm loading it with a pagestackwindow | 19:35 |
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| radiofree | lucido: sorry, can't help you there, but Component.onCompleted should work, providing there wasn't any error with the component creation | 19:39 |
| radiofree | but just try it with console.log() anyway | 19:39 |
| lucido | radiofree, it works, but the screen.allowSwipe = false has no effect | 19:39 |
| radiofree | so Component.onCompleted: is being called? | 19:40 |
| lucido | yes | 19:40 |
| radiofree | ok, then it's some other issue, I'd guess it's some kind of reference error | 19:41 |
| radiofree | parent.screen.allowSwipe? | 19:41 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw i remember reading somewhere that allowSwipe = minimum of PR1.1 = verboten on ovi store | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they might have changed that last part, i remember seeing at least one app on ovi store with a notice saying a 'large' firmware upgrade might be needed to install | 19:43 |
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| ArkanoiD- | damn. seems that meego will always suffer form dependencies hell. | 21:12 |
| ArkanoiD- | though harmattan is not technically meego.. anyways it applies to maemo as well | 21:12 |
| RST38h | Who is suffering? I am not suffering too much. | 21:13 |
| ArkanoiD- | RST38h, just tried barcode scanner from ovi store -- it says dependencies download failed (nokia style, so there is no info *which* ones) | 21:16 |
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| ArkanoiD- | web interface to ovi store is funny | 21:18 |
| RST38h | Arkanoid: There are at least 2 barcode scanners, install the second one | 21:18 |
| RST38h | Arkanoid: and yes, use apt-get install | 21:18 |
| ArkanoiD- | it thinks you need nokia suite to install packages | 21:18 |
| RST38h | it will tell you what failed | 21:18 |
| ArkanoiD- | RST38h, sounds promising. what is the name and repo? | 21:18 |
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| RST38h | UpCode and Meescan | 21:21 |
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| ieatlint | i love my country https://twitter.com/#!/ganson/status/161799371313254401/photo/1 | 21:28 |
| beford | i dont want to live on this planet anymore | 21:29 |
| ieatlint | yeah, that sign is totally stupid | 21:30 |
| ieatlint | people don't have three hands | 21:30 |
| RST38h | that was a foot | 21:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: It's possible it's aimed at mothers with children. | 21:32 |
| ieatlint | it's like when they had to change the marketing for the emergency number here from "nine eleven" to "nine one one" because people couldn't find the eleven key on their phone | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | To be fair, it's a number you want to be able to call when severely cognition impaired for whatever reason. | 21:32 |
| ieatlint | i disagree, if you can't figure it out, i'd prefer you die | 21:33 |
| ieatlint | we call that self correcting | 21:33 |
| RST38h | +1 | 21:33 |
| RST38h | "Let us just remove warning labels off everything" | 21:33 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i want to see what people do when they take the "do not drink" signs off the fuel pumps | 21:33 |
| deram | that is why the 911 has already failed, since 9 and 1 is at opposite sides and not easily dialed if hurt and down on the floor | 21:34 |
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| ieatlint | deram: that was intentional to prevent accidental dialing | 21:34 |
| ieatlint | also, as i recall on the dates, rotary phones were he norm when it was made | 21:34 |
| deram | ieatlint: ok, our old 000 had that problem, and was changed to 112, which seems to not have same problems afaik | 21:34 |
| ieatlint | and the idea was to make it faster to dial as well | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik had a stroke where he couldn't dial neither nine eleven nor nine one one, just 9 1 1. A colleague of me same | 21:35 |
| deram | also on rotary the 000 was probably just fine | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, the 00 and 000 were funny | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | and nobody knew them | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I guess you meant 0 0 0 rather than '000' | 21:38 |
| ieatlint | well, here i can dial 112 or 999 or 911 on my phone and get the same thing | 21:38 |
| ieatlint | and i've never had much trouble dialing 911 though | 21:38 |
| deram | on cellular network all of those must connect to same place | 21:40 |
| ieatlint | yep, translates at the tower to an "emergency call" | 21:41 |
| ArkanoiD- | RST38h, meescan is the one i tried to install from ovi | 21:42 |
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| ieatlint | huh, meescan installed off ovi fine here | 21:45 |
| ieatlint | pr1.1? | 21:46 |
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| gri | meescan might fail on n950 since a lib is missing from dependencies which is available on the n9 for some reason | 21:48 |
| ArkanoiD- | 1.2 | 21:48 |
| ArkanoiD- | oops | 21:48 |
| ArkanoiD- | 1.1 sure | 21:48 |
| ArkanoiD- | like everyone else's | 21:48 |
| ArkanoiD- | 39-5 | 21:48 |
| ieatlint | oh, right, i heard about that | 21:48 |
| ieatlint | forget which lib | 21:49 |
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| gri | http://t.co/UAj9VBzE this lib | 21:49 |
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| gri | don't have the unshortened link, sorry :) | 21:49 |
| ArkanoiD- | thanks, will try | 21:50 |
| ArkanoiD- | does permanently enabling n9 repository break things? and why there is no n950 one with similar content? | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, on GSM 00 == A and 000 = B, and C is also defined in TS07.07 | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | on DTMF a..D are defined | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | A..D | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | makes 16 keys | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes they use one of A, B, C to trigger primary caller line identifier printout, when callee presses the key during blackmail calls | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | S7 did strange things on A..D keys | 21:57 |
| ArkanoiD- | ah, it happened again | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, the predecessor of S7 exchange | 21:58 |
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| ArkanoiD- | started heavy swapping and not responding to any gestures | 21:58 |
| ArkanoiD- | though thoroughly memorizing it to execute at once later :-) | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ArkanoiD-: sure, seen that one desktop linux as well :-D | 21:59 |
| * ArkanoiD- wonders why there is no load indicator | 22:00 | |
| ArkanoiD- | it is vital on linux-based systems | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ALL my machines have CPU load indicator ;-D | 22:00 |
| ArkanoiD- | DocScrutinizer, do you have one for harmattan? | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually also swap usage | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ArkanoiD-: nope, as I'm not using that machine, except via ssh | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | on ssh there's htop | 22:02 |
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| djszapi | Hi! Which is the better place for fixing the shared data things, like icon, desktop file and so on if you use /opt/myproject prefix for the buildsytem. There are two potential places: rules and install file. | 22:05 |
| admiral0 | djszapi: tried the mod? | 22:05 |
| djszapi | oopsie, not really. I was practicing for my music lesson. Forgot it. | 22:07 |
| djszapi | sorry for that. | 22:07 |
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| admiral0 | djszapi: you make me a sad panda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-OPGm3ZXWo&feature=related | 22:11 |
| djszapi | classical ;-) | 22:12 |
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