IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-01-23

* artemma is trying his first aegis.manifest ever00:00
marsjewhat else do I use??00:00
djszapisb ;)00:01
marsjein english please :)00:02
artemmahmm, manifest didn't work right away (surprise-surpise :))00:02
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artemmaI am trying accli -p 3179 (running process id) and accli doesn't tell anything and expects more input00:03
marsjedjszapi: are you saying I installed this 1 gigabyte QtSdk for nothing?00:03
djszapidefinitely, but it is just my personal opinion anyway.00:03
artemmadjszapi, marsje: live hardware is also fine and way faster00:04
artemmathough I never tried SB, so I only guess it's faster00:04
marsjeI don't care about speed right now00:04
befordit can't be faster to develop on the device :P00:05
marsjeI'm trying to have something running in my phone originating from my computer00:05
befordQtCreator should work marsje00:05
djszapibeford: that is very slow00:05
marsjeI'm in the hello-world-phase00:05
artemmahow do you check aegis credentials of a running process?00:06
artemmaIsn't it just accli -p pid?00:07
djszapiit /is/.00:07
artemmawhen I type accli -p 3179<enter> shell just goes to new line (expects input?)00:08
djszapiyou do not wanna use hard coded pid numbers, but `pidof yourprocess`00:09
artemmadjszapi: I am trying to do it just once00:10
artemmato see if manifest set the credentials I was asking it to set00:10
djszapiand it is more time than needed once ... to look up the pid from the table instead of just typing the process name, that is.00:11
artemmaI prefer learning one step at a time00:12
* artemma is relatively new to *nix. Heard about the whole concept of backtick only lately00:12
marsjedoes anyone know a tutorial for creating a simple harmattan app?00:13
marsjeI just started and I'm already stuck00:14
artemmamarsje: QtCreator's wizard is OK00:14
artemmaah! It's not accli -p, it's accli -p -I!00:14
marsjemaybe this is the reason for the error: /dev/sda3             168G  159G     0 100% /home00:15
befordum, is it safe to do apt-get install python on then 9?00:18
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artemmahmm, i requested UID::root and GID:root, yet process running on the device doesn't get it00:22
artemmais there some sort of a log file that tells why aegis satisfied or not satisfied a request?00:23
artemmaOr at least whether it tried processing requests at all00:23
djszapiyes, it is called dpkg -i output.00:23
artemmaI am deploying from QtCreator00:24
artemmait is probably running dpkg in the background00:24
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artemmabut its logs mention aegis only once: aegis-installing swypeswitcher (from '')00:24
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artemmaand a couple of mentions about manifest00:25
artemmaaegis-manifest: The manifest file was most likely not generated by this tool.00:25
artemmaaegis-manifest: This file will be placed to the resulting archive as-is.00:25
artemmaand then aegis-manifest: Run 'aegis-manifest -f' to force overwrite.00:25
artemmaoverwrite what?00:25
artemmaDoes it mean that it ignored manually changed manifest?00:26
djszapisounds like you are screwing up things :D00:26
djszapishow the manifest you wrote ...00:26
artemmatwo lines only00:26
artemma                <credential name="UID::root" />00:26
artemma                <credential name="GID::root" />00:26
artemmathe full file is at
artemmaI only added those two credential lines close to the end of file00:27
artemmaactually I changed path too. Autogenerated one pointed to /opt/swypeswitcher/bin/swypeswitcher (project containing several subprojects), I changed path to /opt/swypeswitcherapp/bin/swypeswitcherapp that is the actual binary00:28
djszapiI am sorry, but I need to get some sleep00:29
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artemmagood nigh, djszapi00:30
artemmathanks for help00:30
artemmaI still have some ideas00:30
* artemma uninstalled binary from the device, should have removed old manifest as well00:30
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artemmaah, whenever I start my app in a standalone way (from device not by creator), I see that it has only two credentials: UID:user and GID:users :/00:34
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admiral0pinheiro: ping01:00
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merlin1991artemma: there is aegis-exec, maybe you need that one to setuid root?02:37
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Aranel_N9Where is harmattan sms database located? Is there some SQL file like el-v1.db?02:53
lucido I' having problem exposing my qt slots to the qml engine:
lucidoalso, whats the API for making phone calls?03:03
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Iktwohi, is there a way to set a dependency for a package in SDK repo? I need wireless-tools installed03:27
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damaltoradmiral0: cant type in that chat thing05:06
damaltornot working05:06
damaltorsure we can keep that05:06
admiral0tmo && sleep05:06
damaltorcan you turn aound the ram usage then?05:06
damaltorshow used ram instead of free?05:07
damaltorpost is nearly done05:07
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damaltorif it is commited, tell me, i will then make a zip and upload it05:09
admiral0forgot ram thingie05:10
admiral0rev 24 is ok05:10
damaltoryes it is05:11
damaltorok give me 3 minutes, the post will be up then05:11
damaltorcan you make a photo?05:15
damaltoror should i do via vnc?05:16
damaltori have one already05:17
admiral0added info about missing pkgs05:20
admiral0just in case05:20
* admiral0 going to sleep05:21
damaltorill ad that to first post05:21
damaltorhave a good night05:21
damaltorpic is in05:21
admiral0damaltor: it's used ram05:23
admiral0and used space on part05:24
damaltorwill change05:24
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qronicare there any rumours as of when the dev PR1.2 comes out?08:44
jonnithere is a rumour that its out before xmas :)08:45
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djszapijonni: -> do you have any ideas for my issue over there ?09:51
djszapizz_gri: heh, remember for my components patch 2 months ago ? I got merged finally (11 LOC modification) after poking few people internally at Nokia lol09:55
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qroniczx2c4, nice write-up in your blog, thanks10:05
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lucidoI'm having problems with a static library, it gives undefined reference error that I'm trying to solve  even though the library with the right files is included in the pro file, here are the relevant lines:
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RST38hlucido: You are building dynamic library not static11:00
Venemolucido, headers have nothing to do with undefined reference errors.11:00
RST38hlucido: And not linking it to a Qt library that contains InputCapture class11:01
RST38hAnd if this is your own class, you are not implementing these functions in inputcapture.cpp either11:03
lucidoRST38h, how come, I have CONFIG += staticlib in libtactoclavis.pro11:04
lucidoRST38h, they are implemented in inputcapture.cpp11:05
lucidoit compiled before but then I changed a few method names in InputCapture class and it started giving me these errors11:05
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lucidogot disconnected11:13
lucidomaybe it didnt rebuild the libtactoclavis.a library file and that is why it cant find the definitions of the methods I changed11:13
RST38hYou have got -rdynamic so I guess it is trying to link a dynamic lib11:17
RST38hAs to names, make sure you have got these functions in your .cpp file and their names / argument types are exactly the same as the linker requires11:18
RST38hDo a clean build just to be sure11:18
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lucidoRST38h, that all checks out and I deleted the build dir and rebuilt it11:19
lucidodamn I'm really lost11:19
RST38hWhen lost, check your compass, then start clearing woods around youtself11:21
Venemolucido, conclusion: static libs only bring problems11:24
lucidoVenemo, true11:24
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Venemolucido, just delete it from LIBS and embed the source files from the lib into your project. I admit that this isn't a solution, but it'll at least work11:26
Venemolucido, or try to make it a dynamic lib11:26
lucidoVenemo, doing the first one now, only 20min till deadline11:26
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admiral0dudes what do you think about this: ?11:38
fluxseems pretty nice, but need productization :)11:41
flux(also, fields to display should be customizable)11:41
fluxpersonally, I would keep only date and battery% up11:42
admiral0the idea is to do format strings for every info11:43
Corsacadmiral0: screenshot?11:43
admiral0and you select how much to display and where11:43
SpeedEvilThis does move occasionally?11:43
SpeedEvilSo it doesn't keep the same pixels lit all the time.11:44
SpeedEvilSounds good.11:44
Corsacnice (a bit cluttered though, but with configuration it'd be ok)11:44
admiral0you can poke the code11:44
Corsacwhat's the 4:51 time btw? :)11:44
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admiral04:51 uptime11:44
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admiral0if it's more than 24h it will  display x days11:45
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admiral0djszapi: look at my new pet
admiral0hi, btw :)11:54
djszapialready saw that (reading the logs offline) ;)11:55
djszapiit might be a useful idea with a slightly different layout ...11:55
djszapias one already said here, it is cluttered.11:55
djszapihard to gues the uptime too. At least, it is not that intuitive to me.11:56
admiral0should probably change icon to chrono11:57
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jreznik_workdata and current battery charge in % are really nice to have12:01
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Corsacespecially since battery charge % is not even available in main screens12:02
admiral0what do you think about format string configuring12:04
admiral0displaying date + bat would be12:05
admiral0"%di %dd/%dm/%dy %bi %bp\%"12:05
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Venemo~seen fiferboy12:16
infobotfiferboy <~fiferboy@Maemo/community/contributor/fiferboy> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 68d 19h 31m 11s ago, saying: 'In a good way, though'.12:16
djszapiVenemo: see ? :)12:17
djszapiVenemo: I will try your hackery with fiferboy today at some point because this is the last blocker for the initial release :)12:18
Venemodjszapi, feel free to try it.12:19
Venemodjszapi, I think I remember what the ultimate solution was!12:20
djszapichange to Lumia ? :D12:20
admiral0people are confusing me having a lumia12:21
Venemodjszapi, I REMEMBER!!!! HAHAHAHAAAAA!12:21
fluxadmiral0, you should add a new text to your lockscreen12:21
Venemodjszapi, the selectiondialog in qt-components master tries to access a property which is there in QML ListModels, but not there in C++ models12:21
flux"THIS IS NOT LUMIA"12:21
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admiral0good idea12:21
djszapigri: meh after the merge it is too late. It is not involved in this new 1.2 component release :/12:22
djszapimaybe just in 1.3 :/12:22
gri? I did not speak a word :D12:22
Venemodjszapi, that means, half a year from now? :P or never? :D12:22
admiral0better "No, this is not fu%$ing Lumia"12:22
djszapigri: we did a lot about that patch ?12:22
djszapiVenemo: it is a distinct patch.12:22
gridjszapi: I don't remember, so I'd say that was someone different12:22
djszapiVenemo: you mean property, and sure not role name "name" ?12:23
grinow I remember what you mean12:23
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Venemodjszapi, model.count doesn't work with C++ models.12:24
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Venemodjszapi, which means, it's undefined and the height of the list view will always be 0 :D :D :D LOL12:24
Venemodjszapi, I remember how much I bashed my head against the wall before I could figure this out12:24
djszapiVenemo: that is not a really big issue to work around since I already had to derivate the QStringListModel class because of the role name "name" for the display role. I can add yet another property.12:25
Venemodjszapi, try it then, maybe it'll work :)12:26
Venemodjszapi, btw, you no longer need a "name" role12:26
Venemodjszapi, reason:
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Venemodjszapi, btw, it's ridicoulous. obviously NOBODY tested this code after the merge, otherwise they would've seen that it doesn't work12:28
djszapiyeah, it was not tested.12:29
djszapiit was accepted theoritically, and that is all.12:29
griwho wants to do unit tests for qt-components? :D12:29
djszapigri: it would even fail with manual testing.12:30
djszapiin any case.12:30
djszapiVenemo: though, it is an incremental development, so at least the patch fixed yet another issue. :)12:30
djszapiVenemo: if I do not need the "name" setting for the display role anymore, I do not the subclass either.12:31
djszapi(meaning that it is better to fix the SelectionDialog, and use the patch locally)12:31
djszapido not need the subclass either*12:31
Venemodjszapi, indeed. by the way, the try-catch thing is also ugly in there... anyway, firstly, try to use the patched dialog and add a count property to your model. if it works, we'll know that this is what the issue was.12:33
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djszapiVenemo: actually I am now writing to 5-6 internal guys for fixing this count thingy asap :)12:34
Venemodjszapi, it's an EASYFIX. :)12:35
chris__anyone developing on ubuntu? trying to connect to n9 through usb?12:35
djszapiyes, but needs to get it.12:35
Venemo(model.count === undefined ? model.rowCount : model.count)12:35
Venemoor sth like this12:35
Venemocould solve it12:35
grichris__: works for me, you have to set the static ip address after plugging the n9 in12:35
admiral0chris__: ubuntu? what's that?12:36
djszapiVenemo: yes, that is what I meant, writing a patch, and ask for merge request12:36
Venemoand get it into 1.2 please12:36
djszapiotherwise we end up the same situation like with my previous patch ~2 months waiting for few LOC change...12:36
djszapithat is not possible12:36
djszapieven for 1.3, I need to ask flags from managers.12:36
djszapiit is not that simple as you think :D12:37
Venemosrsly, THAT CODE IS 100% broken! it could NEVER work the way it is now... and it has NEVER worked for ANYBODY!12:37
djszapiyes, I know.12:37
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djszapiVenemo: but hey, thanks for sucking with this and telling me :P12:39
Venemodjszapi, the sucking was in august :) but you're welcome12:39
djszapiyour naming is soooo ironic: WorkingSelectionDialog haha :D :D12:39
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Venemowell, it's simple. it's a SelectionDialog which is working. :D12:40
Venemoat least, for me :P12:40
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djszapionCountChanged: selectionContent.listViewHeight = model.count * platformStyle.itemHeight -> onCountChanged: selectionContent.listViewHeight = (model.count === undefined ? model.rowCount : model.count) * platformStyle.itemHeight -> this one then ?12:44
djszapiwill test it out before sending. If I am not mistaken it should work oob without any own model then.12:44
djszapi(if I copy the SelectionDialog and CommonDialog from master)12:45
djszapiVenemo: btw, why did you not file a bug back then last summer ?12:46
Venemodjszapi, because I knew that it wouldn't be accepted anyway, so I decided not to care12:48
djszapiwhy not ? It is a serious bug fix.12:48
djszapiwhich makes a component usable from useless state for C++ models.12:48
djszapi(btw, I modified the two files locally, but not working)12:48
djszapitwo lines*12:48
Venemoeg. look at this merge request that you found. it got accepted but it still hasn't beeen deployed in any releases. correct me if I'm mistaken.12:48
Venemoalso, NOBODY has tested it.12:48
Venemohow could I take a project seriously if noone even bothers to test it once before releasing it?12:49
djszapimy patch was tested, but did not get any attention before poking the Nokians...12:49
djszapipoking me, and I help for instance.12:49
djszapibut sadly, modifying those two lines did not solve the issue :/12:50
djszapialso, why don't we get some console warning or error message if there is no such a property ?12:50
djszapiso that making a multiply operation with an undefined thingy ?12:50
VenemoI haven't the slighest clue12:52
Venemo"I haven't the slighest clue" was the main reason for not submitting a bug report.12:52
djszapiVenemo: but the biggest issue is that, it does not still work :/12:52
VenemoI think I sucked with it for a few days and then decided to just set it to a fixed size12:52
djszapiyou cannot set the people's number to a fixed size since they are dynamic on IRC.12:53
Venemothe dialog's size12:53
Venemonot the peoples' size12:53
djszapiyes, but that is not the current issue. :)12:55
djszapiI would be really glad, if it first shows up properly with the elements.12:55
Venemoit _is_ the current issue, yes12:56
djszapiVenemo: you sure there were no other issues ? It is still broken here after the rowCount ghingie as well.12:56
djszapiwell, not for me :D12:56
Venemoit is, because that's why it doesn't appear.12:56
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djszapior you are saying they have zero size by default, but the elements are there ?12:56
Venemoindeed, something like that12:56
Venemoanyway. does your model work with my hacked selection dialog?12:56
djszapiwell, it is at least 1-2 hours to test, and I do not have that much free time for this.12:57
djszapibut it is better to drop my model anyway12:57
Venemoit takes 5 minutes to copypaste12:59
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djszapibut setting up everything is way more12:59
chris__gri, setting static ip from network manager but the save button is greyed out12:59
djszapiVenemo: also, there is a nice workaround, ie. setting the height from qml.13:01
Venemodjszapi, that's what my hacked stuff does IIRC13:02
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djszapithat is one line hack in qml, not bad.13:02
djszapior rather: anchors.fill: parent;13:03
faenilquick OT question: doesn anyone why I'm getting touch event at blocks of 5 in Qt? I get delays of 1ms-1ms-1ms-1ms-80ms-1ms-1ms-1ms-1ms-80ms between events?13:03
Venemothat doesn't look nice djszapi13:03
faenilknow* why13:03
djszapibut it is then dismissable.13:03
Venemofaenil, dunno, touch events are quite erratic13:03
djszapione line from qml does not look nice ?13:03
djszapiI think it is the best workaround ever for an issue imho13:04
faenilI'm going trying to get a point out of those delays13:04
faenilgoing mad*13:04
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Venemodjszapi, nope, the dialog doesn't look nice when you set it to fill...13:08
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faenilyo Venemo13:09
djszapiVenemo: why not choose fixed size then ? There are distinct alternatives..13:10
Venemodjszapi, I've chosen a fixed size in my hacked version. but it doesn't cope to other screen resolutions13:10
djszapiI would personally prefer as much size sa possible.13:10
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Venemofaenil, you should not depend on how much time passes between touch events, as it will be different on every device and platform13:10
faenilthen how am I to calculate the velocity in a pangesture? :P13:11
djszapiVenemo: also, it definitely needs to be fixed in MultSelectionDialog and other places in one patch.13:12
Venemodjszapi, feel free to13:12
djszapiit must also be fixed even for Symbian :D13:13
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khertanSomeone know how to set the language in the qtsdk simulator ?13:19
khertanthe field doesn't seems to be editable13:20
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chris__: qmlItem = object->findChild<QObject *>("SignatureEnrollment"); but the findChild function returns 0. Are there any alternative ways of doing this?14:11
chris__trying to call a function in the SignatureEnrollment.qml component with this method14:12
radiofreechris__: wouldn't you use QMetaObject::invokeMethod to call a method on the qml side?14:17
radiofreeQMetaObject::invokeMethod(rootObject, "methodName", Qt::DirectConnection, .......)14:18
chris__radiofree, yes but first you need to know the object that has the method that you are calling, therefore first I need to find the SignatureEnrollment object that coressponds to the SignatureEnrollment.qml file but that fails (findChild returns 0)14:19
radiofreechris__: component = new QDeclarativeComponent(engine, QUrl("signatureenrollment.qml")14:20
radiofreeqmlObject = component->create() ?14:21
chris__The component is already ccreated14:21
chris__by  pageStackwindow14:21
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radiofreewell i suppose you can get it from the QDeclarativeView then, rootContext()->contextObject() or something like that14:23
radiofreeor findChild should work, but don't you have to set "objectName:" on the QML side for that to work (objectName:"SignatureEnrollment")14:24
zx2c4qronic: thanks!14:25
chris__ok peppe helped me out, findChild finds objects in the tree by their objectName property, so I have to set objectName: "SignatureEnrollment: propert14:27
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chris__if I set visible: false on a mouse are is it still accepting input?14:42
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artemmaPardon me, but is here anybody who knows aegis a little?15:09
artemmaI am trying to make manifest request some policies and fail15:09
artemmaI even created a helloworld prototype that is just a helloworld with the custom manifest yet the policies I want don't seem to be assigned15:10
artemmaI must be missing something very basic15:10
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artemmaor maybe new "boostable" QtCreator wizard somehow broke the aegis manifest integration (path that is actually used may changed)15:17
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artemmaDoes anybody know a simple app example with a customer aegis manifest? Can be just a helloworld. I just want to see a compilable project that does request some credentials successfully15:22
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jonniyou need to add invoker to have same permissions that your exe is wanting15:22
artemmajonni: looks like I am doing it correctly. And by now I also tried launching exactly my binary from the terminal (i.e. without any launcher)15:23
jonni(or the applauncherd.bin)15:23
artemmastill credentials seem to be not assigned15:23
artemmaor maybe I am checking them incorrectly?15:23
jonnipastebin your manifest.aegis somewhere?15:23
tommathere is no way to define enumerations in QML?15:23
artemmajonni: here you go -
artemmatomma: no enumerations in QML. At least not in QtQuick 1.0, don't know abt 2.015:24
artemmajonni: how do you verify that credentials are actually assigned?15:25
artemmaI was trying the following line: accli -p `pgrep /opt/aegistrial/bin/aegistrial` -I15:25
artemmaand the output doesn't contain FacebookSocial and Location that I seem to be requesting15:25
jonniartemma: you have /request before the paths, so those bins dont get any credentials15:25
jonniartemma: move the /request after the for path lines15:26
artemmathat could explain15:26
artemmatrying :)15:26
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artemmaI was sure I was missing something very basic15:27
artemmajonni: thanks a lot! Spent couple of hours yesterday trying to figure it out :)15:28
artemmaIt is a faulty default manifest generated by QtCreator that was misleading15:28
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artemmaapparently it only worked because simple apps don't need any credentials15:29
jonniwell it just creates example manifest without any power15:29
jonnithats why there is the sdk documentation that explains the manifest file15:29
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artemmayep, unfortunately this sort of typos/mistakes are hard to see (for me at least)15:30
artemmayou know, I sort of expected the default autogenerated manifest to be lexically correct even if with 0 actual power :)15:30
tommajonni, yeah i know that but sounds pretty stupid to declare few enums in c++ side for simple qml item when qml seems to have enumeration type too...15:31
tommajust no way to define them?15:31
artemmajonni: yes, that was what I was doing15:32
jonnitomma: using enums is bad coding practice, maybe thats wh15:32
artemmawell, anyway, now I know how to do it right. Will probably submit a proposal to improve the default manifest15:32
artemmatomma: thing is enums (and any other constants) are quite foreign to JavaScript where everything can change everything15:34
artemmayou can certainly define your own constants in some custom QtObject15:34
artemmaand then just remember to never reassign the values15:34
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artemmathat's similar to what I am doing with the app settings that live in the Settings object15:35
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djszapiHi! Is it accepted in OVI store to restart the pulse in a postinstall script ?15:35
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admiral0djszapi: you agree with me it's not a thing to do though :P15:40
djszapiwhat is the cleaner way for installing a pulse policy file then and take effect immediately ?15:41
djszapi(since your app works accordingly)15:41
admiral0djszapi: what about sending pulse a HUP?15:42
djszapiThat does not solve my issue15:44
djszapiI think it is not a problem to restart pulse, if there is no cleaner way.15:45
admiral0not perfect15:45
djszapithey will see I install a policy file, so it needs to be restarted to take any effects.15:45
admiral0installing your app -> call -> FUUUUUUUUUU15:45
djszapiI don't know about OVI store policies. In my opinion restarting pulseaudio should be allowed because it sucks if the policy changes won't take effect without reboot. Restarting pulseaudio sucks too, but IMO less.15:45
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faenilis there any way to get the velocity of a pan gesture?15:47
faenilpleeease :D15:47
admiral0use speedometer from /dev/null15:47
faenilvia qml ...15:48
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djszapipactl unload-module <index> -> nice.15:48
artemmadjszapi: remember yesteday's issue with requesting aegis rules? jonni helped today: there was a mistake in the default manifest file that I was too stupid to notice15:49
djszapiAnd then just pactl load-module module-policy-enforcement. That <index> obviously can change, so you need to get the exact number for unloading, maybe some awk/sed magic15:49
djszapiartemma: you do not need "default" manifest file.15:49
artemmadjszapi: yes, sure, but that was the starting point. I was editing the defsault one15:50
admiral0awk/sed ? PCRE love 'em15:50
djszapiartemma: why would you do that ?15:50
djszapiit is simpler from scratch really :)15:50
artemmadjszapi: what do you do when you try anything for the first time? I usually start from the working example15:50
artemmawho knew that manifest generated by QtCreator wizard is incorrect15:51
djszapiI never did it from the default.15:51
artemmaincorrect manifest was not something I expected from a HelloWorld wizard :)15:51
artemmanow I have the next level question15:51
artemmaI can successfully request root for my app, but when I request same for app launcher aegis minds that15:52
artemmaPackage swypeswitcher: request 'UID::root' for 'applauncherd-launcher::/usr/bin/applauncherd.bin' ignored -- matched by deny rule15:52
djszapiplease read the documentation. It is explained there.15:53
artemmainterestingly if I just comment out the applauncher path everything still works and I am able to start my app from app launcher15:53
artemmathat is fine, but I sort of expected it not to work if I don't request credentials for exactly the launcher15:54
djszapiI would love to hold your hands, but the Qt5 API freeze is close enough, and a lot to do on that front..15:54
artemmaoh, I read these pages many times yesterday and today, probably still missed something15:54
faenilI'm so disappointed about not being able to get a damn velocity of a gesture15:54
djszapiyes, there is a separate entry for this issue, actually.15:55
faenilandroid has VelocityTracker, iOS has velocityInView...Qt has: nothing15:55
artemmadjszapi: I was reading abt need for separate applauncher path15:55
l32606hi, guys! anybody known how can i monitor the dbus method_call using dbus_monitor? i can't do that on N9 but it works on N90015:55
artemmaok, I'll go read again, maybe will come back with the more detailed question15:55
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lucidohey szapi, what kind of source are you using in your manifests?16:01
djszapihuh ?16:03
lucidowhat kind of source are you using in your manifests?16:03
djszapiI am sorry, but that does not parse here.16:04
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artemmaSuddenly downloads for my Daily Wallpaper for N9 jumped to 6 times of a daily average! That is very cool, but what could the reason be? :)16:16
artemmasomebody's cool review somewhere? It's a pity ovi store doesn't show from where ppl come to the app's page16:16
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faenilany news about PR1.2 for n950?17:41
jreznik_workit's nice :)17:42
Jarethere are still quite many important bugs on "assigned" status in bugzilla :I17:45
admiral0Jare: hi17:48
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admiral0you were saying about a openvpn GUI17:49
admiral0openvpn requires open mode?17:49
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Jareadmiral0: hi, I haven't had time to implement the openvpn automation scripts (and gui) much further. Nokia has assigned the "VPN Client missing" enhancement request about a month ago, so I'm looking a bit forward on that too (
_MeeGoBot_Bug 491 enh, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, VPN Client missing17:58
Jareadmiral0: openvpn works out of the box, no need for open mode17:58
admiral0Jare: if you need a hand, i'm in17:58
admiral0but i'm a busy guy too17:58
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Jaremmkay, maybe I should ask Nokia what they are planning to do. I'm not really interested in implementing a gui from scratch and finding out that Nokia might release their official version "soon"18:08
CorsacI'm not sure openvpn is the nicest VPN solution though18:09
Jarei might write a little how-to and release the ifup/ifdown scripts, though18:09
CorsacI'd prefer something ipsec-based rather than tls based18:09
Jareif Nokia is really going to implement something, I'm quite sure it will support ipsec too18:10
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Jareanyway imo openvpn is great, if you need a roadwarrior vpn solution that will work just about everywhere18:12
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faenilcan I make both flickable and mousearea in the same spot receive mouse events?18:19
admiral0also openvpn can run over tcp on port 44318:22
admiral0distinguish that fascist firewalls18:23
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SqRt7744Hi, I have a qt/c++ model I'd like to assign to a QML view. I know in principle that I should use rootContext->setContextProperty("modelName", Model), but since i try to run it I get a referenceError: ccan't find variable: modelName. Could this be because the rootContext points to the main qml file, but the view is in a qml file loaded from main..?19:07
SqRt7744erm, sorry for typos, hopefully somebody understands what I'm talking about19:08
leinirSqRt7744: i take it Model is the name of a class, not an instance of the class?19:09
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radiofreeSqRt7744: yes, you are correct19:10
leinirbecause that won't work ;)19:10
radiofreeso you'll need to get the qml object to set the context property19:10
SqRt7744well, what I do on the c++ side with setContextProperty is: the first parameter is the modelName (in this case titlesModel) as it appears in the qml view, and the second parameter is an instance of the titlesModel, same way i assign it to a listview on the C++ side, were I to go that route19:10
radiofreeyou you give it an "objectName:" and then use findChild on the rootContext19:11
radiofreeon the rootObject even19:12
SqRt7744radiofree, ah ok, so I have to search for it first to set the correct rootContext...? I was hoping it would figure that out for me...19:12
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SqRt7744ok cool will try (i'm porting evopedia which apparently doesn't generate much interest here  :-)  )19:13
djszapiSqRt7744: we have many other tasks, too :)19:14
SqRt7744...which entails rewriting the GUI in QML, which is new to me.19:14
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SqRt7744what are you working on?19:14
djszapiSqRt7744: KDE Mobile mostly.19:14
djszapiand qt519:14
SqRt7744ah ok, nothing harmattan related.19:14
SqRt7744unless you want to run KDE on your phone?19:14
djszapiboth /are/ ;-)19:15
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djszapiyes, they are KDE apps for Harmattan, plus I am experimenting with qt5 on harmattan as well.19:15
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SqRt7744 well ok great, good luck with that.19:17
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djszapiand developning an app for sure means we need to patch qt-components a lot ;-)19:19
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itsnotabigtruckCorsac: ipsec is definitely going to require custom kernel (i.e. open mode)19:26
itsnotabigtrucki'm fairly sure it's not built in the stock one19:26
djszapiexcept if you use opensh19:26
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: erm, the readme for opensh says it causes aegis to trip19:27
Corsacitsnotabigtruck: that's a good point19:27
Corsacitsnotabigtruck: but if it's provided by Nokia...19:27
itsnotabigtruckgoing by what other people were saying it sounds like it does have tun/tap compiled in, so layer 5 schemes like openvpn ought to work if you can wrangle the permissions19:27
itsnotabigtruckopenvpn isn't the only one, i think there's some others19:27
djszapiI have a completely open mode package.19:27
Corsac# CONFIG_INET_ESP is not set19:28
djszapiif opensh is buggy for that function ... well, not my problem :)19:28
djszapiCorsac: yeah.19:28
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: well, the entire idea behind opensh was to boot into a hacked kernel, load the (integrity-breaking) opensh package, and reboot into the normal kernel, right19:28
itsnotabigtruckaegis is built specifically to block stuff like that19:28
djszapithat is entirely different concept to mine.19:29
djszapiwhat I was saying, it is not hard at all to make an openmode package and run the stock kernel.19:29
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: then what's your would one get opensh onto the phone19:29
itsnotabigtruckwith greater than devmode permissions19:29
djszapivery easily.19:30
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djszapiand there is even a bit bigger security risk than completely open kernel mode :)19:31
itsnotabigtruckgo on...19:31
itsnotabigtruckif that's actually possible there's not so much reason to fuss with open mode, except that i haven't seen any mention of this at the usual places or here19:32
djszapibecause security risks are not advertised until the fix...19:33
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gridjszapi: Does QtQuick with Qt5 consume less memory?20:02
djszapigri: have not really measured, but I can take a look at that at some point.20:03
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rZrM4rtinK: hi some news on gtk it builds now but not yet usable20:30
rZrM4rtinK: wanna help to fix it?20:30
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djszapiVenemo: I fixed the SelectionDialog ;-)20:34
rZrM4rtinK: ie
Venemodjszapi, aww, good news :) what was the solution?20:35
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djszapiVenemo: Also, I made another patch for accessing the deselectedIndex. Leave a comment there, if you like it. ;-)
Venemodjszapi, and you tested it and it works?20:37
djszapithanks for the comments. Unfortunately, it is not getting into 1.2 :((20:40
djszapiit was rejected for that.20:40
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djszapi:P :P20:41
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djszapiit is really hard to read the agreement while registering a publisher account. That part of the page is really small, and scrolling inside is really cumbersome... Is it available somewhere else ?20:50
SpeedEvilYou're not meant to _read_ terms and conditions.20:55
SpeedEvilThat spoils the whole point, and makes lawyers have to actually pay attention when the write them.20:56
djszapiI will copy/paste it out into an editor :)20:57
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SqRt7744hmm, I'm getting a segfault and can't figure out why, perhaps someone here has an idea. I'm trying to get a c++/qt model into a qml listview...   (a code snippet)21:05
SqRt7744...and the listview
ajalkaneSqRt7744: are you sure titlesModel is set to contextRoot for QML?21:09
ajalkaneSqRt7744: see here
griwtf, how about rootCtxt->setContextProperty() ? :)21:09
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SqRt7744gri, that didn't work, couldn't find the model (it's in a different file)21:10
ajalkanegri: see the blog posting. QmlApplicationViewer did not expose it correctly.21:10
ajalkaneI don't know if it's fixed in current SDK21:10
SqRt7744ajalkane, yeah, I know about that. It isn't fixed yet, but I modified the code (it's fixed in QtCreator 2.4, but the SDK has 2.3.121:11
gristrange thing that it works for my application21:11
gribut ok, I do use QDeclarativeView directly no QMLApplicationViewer21:11
djszapiajalkane: hi, your post was useful in the beginning, thanks for raising the issue back then :)21:11
SqRt7744gri, I don't know, I added the findChild thing bcs it was complaining that it couldn't find titlesModel21:11
ajalkaneSqRt7744: Run your program with valgrind to find out what causes the segfault21:12
SqRt7744ajalkane, thanks, I'll try that  :-)21:12
ajalkanedjszapi: well, got lucky that someone from Nokia happened across the posting21:12
SqRt7744gri, yeah, maybe I should move away from the applicationViewer, though it seemed handy at the time, now it's more of a PITA21:13
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djszapiajalkane: you mean the guy previously and me ?21:14
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griSqRt7744: it seems direct use works :)21:14
ajalkanedjszapi: I dunno, someone called Andreas Jaki from Nokia made a bug report out of it21:15
SqRt7744ajalkane, what exactly do you mean by "are you sure titlesModel is set to contextRoot..."21:15
ajalkaneSqRt7744: I mean your code looks weird.21:15
ajalkaneWith all that finding stuff21:15
ajalkaneyou should just need to put it to contextRoot and it's available for all QML21:15
SqRt7744ah, ok, no surpise there. My code always looks wierd. Occasionally it works though, kinding like smearing s**t on the wall occasionally results in a work of art21:16
djszapiajalkane: what do you mean ?21:16
djszapithis thingy was fixed in many steps including my last step21:16
ajalkanedjszapi: oh, you're talking about the SelectionDialog thing21:16
ajalkaneyeah... I have no real hopes of it getting fixed really. Just needs to hack around it.21:17
djszapiajalkane: it is already fixed21:17
griSqRt7744: btw. there is also a QDeclarativeContext* qmlEngine(QObject*) function21:17
djszapiexcept my last patch, which is not a biggie. Fixed in 2 version bumps though.21:17
ajalkanedjszapi: not as long as the code is not in device :)21:17
griSqRt7744:  erm qmlContext()21:17
djszapiajalkane: it will be pretty soon'ish21:18
ajalkanedjszapi: that would be nice21:18
djszapijust apply two lines out of my patch21:18
djszapiand then you are fine in the next version21:18
ajalkanedjszapi: but you know what's annoying? We can't really use the "fixed" version, because apps have to work even on PR1.021:19
ajalkaneBut of course it helps that you can just copy a working version of it into your own project and use it21:19
djszapiyes, that is what I was referring to.21:19
djszapialso, I added a deselectedIndex property to the SelectionDialog21:20
ajalkaneSqRt7744: just use rootCtxt->setContextProperty("titlesModel", titleListModel)21:20
SqRt7744ajalkane, I will try that right away21:21
ajalkaneSqRt7744: and you need to do it before you call viewer->setSource and viewer->showExpanded21:21
SqRt7744ajalkane, actually, what am i talking about. That didn't work, which is why i went for the findChild stuff21:22
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ajalkaneYou must do it before you call viewer->setSource and showExpanded21:22
SqRt7744ajalkane, really?? WTF, why?21:22
ajalkaneBecause how can it find the contextProperty when displaying it if you haven't set it yet?21:23
grithe variable has to exist before your qml source gets parsed21:23
ajalkaneDragons are wrecking havoc out there and I'm just talking about coding. Crazy me with my coding obsession. I'll go to save Skyrim now. Later.21:24
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SqRt7744ok, never would have guessed that. Well... partial success. No segfault. But also, nothing much else, the interface still hasn't shown up! I guess the problem is more fundamental.21:29
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M4rtinKrZr: any idea what made it work ? :)21:59
M4rtinKalso, any help is welcome as I don't really have time to work on it (due to all the modRana and Mieru work :) )22:02
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M4rtinKthere might be other interested in the GTK - quite a few people asked me about it already22:03
M4rtinKand its a dependency for Hildon :D would be cool if it could also be ported to Harmattan - for running OSM2GO or other orphaned programs with Hildon UI :)22:04
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SqRt7744when running the N9 simulator, is there a way to add data to it, like put a file in the simulator's home directory that the program running the simulator can use?22:07
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rZrM4rtinK: i did cleanup some stuff but its still weird22:13
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TNZfrHi all22:17
TNZfra little funny bloomberg article22:17
TNZfr1.4 million of N9 sold22:18
TNZfr1.3 million for the lumia :D22:18
M4rtinKrZr: a good start anyway :)22:29
M4rtinKimho the most important now is to enable virtual keyboard triggering - otherwise its quite unusable on the N922:30
SqRt7744ok, what the heck is going on. memory is almost out, swap is full - thanks to valgrind hitting some ugly bug in my code. Can't kill valgrind ... as root "operation not permitted". I restarted the phone, and process is still there! Suggestions on how to kill it would be greatly appreciated.22:36
SqRt7744..i guess I could apt-get purge, then restart, but that seems a bit drastic22:37
Tronic"according to the average estimate of 22 analysts compiled by Bloomberg" => total bullshit.22:37
TronicNokia does not publish sales figures, unfortunately.22:37
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leinirTronic: Well, the sales figures published by other makes are pretty much BS as well... since that only shows how many were shipped out of the factories, not how many are actually in the hands of users22:42
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djszapi1.4 M for N9 ?22:43
SqRt7744djszapi, that what the article claims, but i find it a bit hard to believe, to be honest22:44
djszapi2M was the goal...22:44
SqRt7744i was thinking more along the lines of 50-100k22:44
djszapiyeah, it is really a huge number.22:44
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TNZfrdjszapi: 2M was the goal for the lumia if I understood well22:51
djszapiI have not clue about the Lumia, just N922:52
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djszapibut it might also be that the rumours were wroken, who knows or care :D23:12
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