IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2012-01-19

SqRt7744My TODOs: Evopedia, landscape mode for the RSS reader, MPD, Avahi, ... ? -> Happiness.00:00
mgedminthere's MeePasswords, but it doesn't support my .pwsafe.dat00:00
mgedminat least it is open source00:01
mgedminalthough I cannot find a link to the source code itself anywhere on the website, boo00:01
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SqRt7744if anyone else is interested in hacking evopedia to harmattan, I've got it build but it needs a UI overhaul. Iktwo and I are hacking on it (since yesterday), and it is hosted on github.00:06
SqRt7744alright I'm atta here, g'night!00:09
Iktwogood night00:09
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Iktwois it possible to modify a .desktop shorcut in an app without developer mode activated??00:16
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admiral0dudes perl script for downloading N9 firmware is ready00:20
admiral0works on linux and has a CLI interface00:20
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* merlin1991 is scared to look at perl code00:23
merlin1991also admiral0 link or it didn't happen ;)00:23
admiral0you nead LWP and SOAP::Lite00:24
admiral0ok worksforme00:26
admiral0now let's post it on tmo00:26
admiral0a lot of people will be happy00:26
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admiral0and a public thanks to itsnotabigtruck who helped me to get this ready00:27
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Venemohas anyone here submitted an app to Ovi Store?00:28
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admiral0Venemo: me00:30
admiral0failed XD00:30
Venemoadmiral0, should I choose "Maemo/MeeGo" or "Qt-based application" as the category?00:30
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Venemookay :)00:32
admiral0and here goes tmo
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M4rtinKadmiral0: now make it to an app and submit it to Ovi :)00:51
admiral0the perl script?00:51
M4rtinKN9 downloading its own images would be cool :)00:51
M4rtinKbut I meant it more as a joke :)00:52
admiral0can do that, but it's kinda useless00:53
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djszapiHi! What is the acceptable image format for these things ? png works; I guess svg does not. Any information is welcome because I do not have time to look into the Harmattan component codebase.01:06
Venemo~seen faenil01:19
djszapiVenemo: o/01:19
infobotfaenil <~faenil@> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 2d 12h 4m 16s ago, saying: 'qt side'.01:19
Venemohey djszapi01:20
djszapiVenemo: I have been testing your softwares so far.. I need your help this with that for my software. ;-)01:20
Venemodjszapi, I tested your software too. (aegis) :P01:21
Venemodjszapi, but sure, tell me more about it :)01:21
Milhouseanyone - what's the command line/device to query for proximity and ambient light sensor values?01:21
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djszapiinteresting, running the application either from command line or applauncher gives me a black screen with this console output: -> This is the main.qml code, thus I should at least see the background (non-black) images:
Venemodjszapi, hmmm01:38
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Venemodjszapi, that console output is normal01:39
Venemodjszapi, something's not OK in your QML if it gives you a blank black screen. but it seems that the console doesn't tell us what's exactly wrong with it.01:40
djszapiI was wondering because of the inverted theme, but should not be. Nevertheless I need the converted theme at least for the toolbar at the bottom even if I have a background image in the "midle".01:40
befordisn't the whole screen black because of the visible: flase ?01:40
befordand its using the inverted theme01:40
itsnotabigtruckM4rtinK: but can't it already do that, more or less :p01:40
befordtoolbar's visible false01:40
itsnotabigtruckwhoops, was scrolled up a bit01:40
djszapibeford: the toolbar will probably be set in the MainPage, thus not an issue of the background in any case.01:41
* djszapi is refactoring the code for having a testcode, as in resource files to local device files01:42
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djszapiif I remove the inverted theme, I get white screen so it does not definitely handle the background set for some reasons. :/01:55
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djszapithe toolbar works fine though, but the background :/02:00
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itsnotabigtruckit looks like that live calendar icon update finally kicked in02:33
infobotitsnotabigtruck meant: it looks like that live calendar icon script finally kicked in02:34
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djszapijonni: apparently, there are some issues with that page window stack style for the portrait and landscape settings. Need to figure out it with fresh mind after a short sleep. :)03:41
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itsnotabigtruckso what's something cool to do with an N904:10
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keithzg9Is down for anyone else? I haven't seen mention anywhere, but it's been unresponsive for at least a day for me...04:15
ieatlintdown here too04:18
ieatlintopens a port, but i get nothing when i sent my get04:20
keithzg9hmm, no ping response even.04:25
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itsnotabigtruckwho administers, anyway06:08
itsnotabigtruckapparently a thomas ruecker from tu-darmstadt06:08
itsnotabigtruckthat's dm8tbr06:08
itsnotabigtruckheh, didn't notice that was right in the whois06:09
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jonnidjszapi: you are suposed to use png, using svg is a no no in harmattan.07:58
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befordI submitted an app to the store but the reviewer claimed it only shows a black screen08:15
befordI've just retested the .deb I sent and worked on my devic08:15
befordPR_001 is 1.0 firmware?08:15
djszapijonni: png does not work either08:16
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befordanyone with PR_001 would like to test my app? :/08:17
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dm8tbritsnotabigtruck: wrong, I own the formeego domains. apps is run by x-fade.08:40
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djszapijonni: do you have any ideas why my background image setting does not take effect ? I hope I do not need to set the size explicitely, if I just use showFullScreen from the C++ code.09:21
jonnidjszapi: all the examples show that they use qurl like image:// or qrc://, dont know if that would help, I'll try to test it later today.09:21
djszapijonni: actually, the example what you gave did not use either of them.09:23
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djszapiyou do not need qrc:// or image:// when you use a resource file, or just absolute paths for instance.09:23
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jonnibut I'll test it later, on worstcase you need to bind the png to currentorientation variable09:25
djszapiI can test it since it is two minutes two change that line :)09:25
hiemanshuyou need qrc:// if you are accessing anything from a resource file09:26
djszapiI have never used that, and it always worked.09:26
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jonniyeah you dont need qrc:// when its in the same path as the loaded qml file09:27
djszapijonni: qrc:/ in the example with one slash ?09:27
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djszapijonni: I was wondering whether I miss some setup in the main.cpp, but I think this is enough what I achieved in that file:
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befordhey, any one running PR_001?09:45
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thpmgedmin: is the script if you haven't found it yet :)09:47
thpmgedmin: thread is here
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BluesLeedamn, i had a data loss on MyDocs, but only with folders starting with capital letters10:04
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jonnidjszapi:  that works, it doesnt work if you dont set "background" to some initial value.10:22
jonnidjszapi: most likely because background default values is image:://theme etc, so its not pointing to you qrc path, but after setting it then cwd is in right path10:24
djszapijonni: we should make a patch for the documentation.10:26
jonnidocumentation is kinda buggy, in my creator it even says read-only on all those values :)10:29
djszapiheh, thanks for the investigation.10:29
djszapithough, none of your aforementioned examples used the background property.10:29
djszapiohh they used, sorry. misread.10:29
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djszapiI will file a patch against the documentation today.10:30
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ZogG_laptopX-Fade: is apps.formeego making sopa protest as well?11:10
mairasZogG_laptop, it's making a kernel upgrade protest :-(11:26
mairaswe'll try to get it up soon11:26
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djszapiinteresting, the password shipped with the Connectivity tool is not okay for developer.11:54
kevin_bdjszapi : Did you reboot?11:55
MohammadAGBluesLee: fsck it11:55
djszapikevin_b: no because I would get a new key then, and I would like to debug it more.11:55
kevin_bDon't  you have to reboot always after dev mode engaged11:56
TronicAny news on PR 1.2?11:57
djszapikevin_b: nope11:58
kevin_bI always have too11:58
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tabaskoTronic: no, but there is coming also 1.3 sometime :)12:01
kevin_bI wonder 1 thing: Isn't N9 and N900 almost same hardware?12:03
djszapi"almost" is relative :)12:03
jonnionly thing same is the 2 first letters in the name12:04
kevin_bat least same CPU so same DSP and SGX?12:05
jonnidifferent cpu12:05
kevin_bha really12:05
djszapijonni heh :)12:06
kevin_bho cool, but it's still armv12:08
kevin_bso nothing really change I hope12:08
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jonni3430 vs 3630, there is big difference in performance12:08
kevin_bok but on the dsp api side I hope it 's the same12:09
jonnin900 will never be able to have fluent swipe ui because its just slow. but yes armv7 so you can recompile your old codes pretty easily12:10
ZogG_laptophmm, saw the tweet from harmattan team saying pr1.2 till end next month - ral r not? =)12:10
jonniand dont know about dsp, there might be changes too12:10
jonniZogG_laptop: no timetables in this channel.12:11
admiral0ZogG_laptop: you have old news. PR 1.2 will be released yesterday-12:12
thpX-Fade: still down - did you check out what the problem is already?12:12
TronicPR 1.2 will be released yesterday, is not available and will be released by the end of February, and you are not supposed to say that here (but it is OK to say that on Twitter)?12:13
* Tronic is confused12:13
jonnithere is no release date, as there never is on any release.12:13
admiral0mine was a joke :\12:13
djszapiI am already bored with PR 1.2 ;-)12:14
jonniit comes when it comes, and speculation wont make it come any faster12:14
fluxjonni, certainly Elop is on the channel with some secret nick, his hand hovering over the big red ReleasePR1.2-button?12:16
djszapiflux: what is the sense of speculating instead of doing something useful ?12:16
fluxdjszapi, I imagine the goal for for most is the passing of time without doing anything useful.12:17
jonniflux: you mean "Cancel the release, and let PR1.1 to be the last release"-button?12:17
admiral0jonni: NooOOoOOo12:18
kimjuor the "disable all harmattan devices, force people to switch over to windows phono"-button?12:18
ZogG_laptopthp: it's agains sopa thing =)12:18
admiral0kimju: that would be upgade meego phones to wp712:19
jonnisee the mental image when taking N9 to nokia care for repairs, you get wp7 device back :)12:19
admiral0or wp7 as ssu12:19
jonnilike current N900 users get symbian E7 when they they bring N900 to repair shop :)12:19
ZogG_laptope7 instead n900? are you f kidding me?12:20
kimjusince last spring or so..12:20
ZogG_laptopgood it wasn't 3310 =)12:21
admiral0well, symbian is not so bad12:21
admiral0i had 7610 before openmoko before n90012:21
admiral0used this a lot
djszapithe intel stuff is way worse than Symbian.12:22
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admiral0djszapi: you mean tizen?12:22
infobotadmiral0 meant: djszapi: you mean tizen-bada?12:23
djszapithat, but meego too previously.12:23
admiral0it still had clutter in12:23
admiral0now they move to efl12:23
djszapiI hope I can explain in 5 years or so to my family and friends what nasty things Intel did ;-)12:24
admiral0i coded efl for the openmoko freerunner... It's almost worse than gtk12:24
rZri coded on bada , and hated it too12:25
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: gtk is nice, stop it, ( not talking about what it is now)12:26
thpZogG_laptop: ;)12:27
ZogG_laptopi heard tizen and bada are merged - new OS ?12:27
djszapiZogG_laptop: confused ? I was not talking about gtk.12:27
admiral0ZogG_laptop: gets his djszapi mask12:27
djszapion a more productive note: Is there a Harmattan Component element for the Toolbar where I can customize the icon of the tool in a clean manner ?12:28
rZrZogG_laptop: i fear they will replease bada kernel w/ linux and add those h5 api12:28
djszapithe default iconIds which are available for use, do not cover my use case.12:29
admiral0rZr: i tried to develop for bada. they had windows-only sdk...12:29
admiral0so i said no12:29
rZrdjszapi: i've seen a such music player app that does that12:29
djszapirZr: in a clean manner without hacks ?12:29
rZradmiral0: you where right it was buggy as hell12:29
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admiral0djszapi: you could install your icon12:29
rZradmiral0: the 1st ages it took me days to load my program on device12:29
djszapiadmiral0: that is exactly a hack, if possible at all.12:30
djszapiI would like to use the qt resource system what it was designed for.12:30
djszapinot that few images outside, another images inside the binary.12:30
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: it was to admiral0, my mistake12:32
admiral0ZogG_laptop: C is not good for GUI programming, imo (and not only mine)12:33
djszapi -> Also, it would be nice if they can add the png links to the documentation just for checking them out briefly which one might fit better to you.12:35
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djszapifunky, they do not even have an info icon for the toolbar :)12:39
ZogG_laptopadmiral0: C is good for everything =)12:44
admiral0not for gui. it gets messy12:46
ZogG_laptopuse just other layer for GUI12:46
ZogG_laptopthat's it12:46
djszapiinteresting, they have neither help, nor info icon :/ find /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/icons -name \*help\*; find /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/icons -name \*info\* -> does not return anything :/12:46
ZogG_laptop - took the almost month to just assign interlly =)12:51
_MeeGoBot_Bug 493 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, better libxauth documentetion and usage examples12:51
djszapiZogG_laptop: there are holidays around Christmas and New Year's Eve, right ?12:52
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: oh,right12:56
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: we didn't have those =\12:56
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* djszapi wonders how hard to write a patch for ToolIcon to support qrc and filesystem png files from anywhere13:17
djszapiToolButton works, but .. that is not a tool icon :)13:21
djszapiHonestly: I write more code instead of installing an icon separately, and not to put into the resource system.13:22
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djszapisolved with pure QML Image element :)13:30
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faenilhi everyone! :D16:40
djszapifaenil: o/16:53
faenilo/ djszapi :)16:53
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Corsachmhm, so I tried to import some ~3000 sms messages to an e71 and now it can't open the messaging app :)17:37
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djszapiapt-cache search gstreamer | grep tools -> why empty output ? I have the community repository added.17:40
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djszapimmm, I had to add the beta3 repository because it was somehow gone, cool.17:42
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djszapi -> what is this issue, mmh ?17:44
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djszapiand now, meh: -> I would just like to install the gstreamer tools package :)17:45
djszapican anybody install the gstreamer tools package frm the beta3 repository via apt-get ?17:46
kevin_bso is harmattan a Meego?17:46
kevin_bis it compliant?17:46
djszapipure compliant17:46
itsnotabigtruckkevin_b: it's more maemo than meego, but it has some meego stuff thrown in17:47
jonniits the only Meego Phone that there is, so it doesnt need to be compliant :)17:47
jonnias there is no competition17:47
itsnotabigtruckso it's like a hybrid of maemo 5, meego, and some new nokia stuff17:47
* djszapi does not experience too much maemo 5 thing17:48
kevin_bI'd like to know where to start what is the sdk for building custom package17:48
djszapikevin_b: check the documentation ?17:48
itsnotabigtruckwell for one, meego is an RPM distro17:48
itsnotabigtruckharmattan and maemo are DEB distros17:48
itsnotabigtruckand kevin_b: look up 'harmattan platform sdk'17:49
djszapino, they are not17:49
djszapithey just debian packaging.17:49
djszapibut many other distro stuff are rather distinct.17:49
djszapikevin_b: I think qtcreator is more for you than platform sdk17:49
jonniyou are just saying that meego tablets and meego ivi are rpm based, meego phones are deb17:49
itsnotabigtruckjonni: yup, because 'meego phones' (well, /the/ meego phone) isn't running meego per se17:50
djszapieven the packaging is rather different17:50
djszapithe dpkg wrapper addition is very hefty stuff, so could not really say it is a "debian based distribution".17:50
kevin_bdjszapi : I dont need to develop ui app ..17:50
itsnotabigtruckafaict it's mostly the same with the exception of the new MSSF/aegis stuff17:51
itsnotabigtruckthat doesn't mean it's completely different17:51
kevin_bI'm looking forward to port a lib17:51
jonniit is meego and has permission to use that trademark17:51
djszapikevin_b: kernel developers use kdevelop and QtCreator for kernel development sometimes...17:51
djszapiit is not a real barrier seriously.17:51
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kevin_bWith QtCreator your have to use qmake or cmake i think17:51
itsnotabigtruckkevin_b: ok, so get platform sdk going17:51
itsnotabigtruckit'll give you a scratchbox environment17:51
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itsnotabigtruckyou should then be able to use autotools to build your lib17:52
itsnotabigtrucki have no idea how you get qtcreator to build against stuff you did in platform sdk17:52
kevin_bthanks for the *pointer17:52
itsnotabigtruckthe nokia docs suck, but they're worth a read17:52
itsnotabigtruckand keep in mind that you need to expressly grant privileges to the host app, for everything the library does17:53
itsnotabigtruckprivileges = posix capabilities + some other stuff17:53
kevin_bdoes using dsp needs privileges?17:53
djszapiwhich is not an issue in 90% anyway17:53
itsnotabigtruckthat's where the much-hated aegis security framework comes into play17:53
djszapibut, no you do not need to request those17:53
jonnithere is no need to hate aegis, since you can bypass it if you want to.17:53
djszapionly just what is for the library17:54
kevin_baegis is our friend :)17:54
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SpeedEvilDo you mean the actual DSP core in the chip?17:54
itsnotabigtruckusing the omap3's dsp directly could be a bit of a challenge17:54
kevin_byea the dsp chipset functions17:54
SpeedEvilI'm fairly sure that's going to be an issue.17:54
kevin_bit's already what they've done in gst, haven't they17:54
SpeedEvilI don't think you can do that without installing a module.17:55
itsnotabigtruckyeah but gstreamer is privileged code17:55
itsnotabigtrucki think17:55
SpeedEvilOr at least very low-level code.17:55
itsnotabigtruckalso the dsp can only run one program at once, right17:55
itsnotabigtruckso your program necessarily involves clobbering gstreamer's dsp program17:55
SpeedEvilThat's almost always going to be privilidged.17:55
djszapianyway, can anybody install gstreamer tools package on the phone ?17:55
djszapiover wifi or so.17:55
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kevin_bI'm sure gstreamer will share a little bit of time process to me18:00
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djszapican anybody actually install anything from the harmattan beta3 repository ?18:06
djszapisignature failure all the time from there for any packages.18:06
djszapi(even if I download the package manually, then scp, and then dpkg -i)18:06
djszapiN950 - PR1.118:07
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djszapieven after reboot.18:10
djszapiM4rtinK: how is your gtk porting thingy ?18:12
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admiral0decided, i'm going to openmode when PR 1.2 is out18:20
DocScrutinizer51,bwahaha, you're going to wait for kernel sources when 1.2 is out18:22
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khertan_Hello ... !18:22
admiral0DocScrutinizer51: :(18:23
itsnotabigtruckdoes the gpl set a minimum response time?18:24
itsnotabigtruckif they insist on doing the whole dvd rigamarole, is there any way to get them to fedex it?18:24
itsnotabigtrucki guess if a finn requests the dvd, it should be quick18:24
marsjea finn that lives next door...18:25
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jonnithere is no min response time, so it can be days or months :)18:26
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SqRt7744anyone know how to get the feedreader to show the lists in landscape mode?19:15
djszapi -> Has anybody tried to install package for instance ? I fail to get it work.19:15
djszapiSqRt7744: wfm19:16
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djszapiSqRt7744: though, it may have become fixed by installing the relevant package from OVI store for the homescreen19:17
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djszapiSqRt7744: "Rotate Home Screen" app for free from Ovi ...19:20
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SqRt7744djszapi, but I'm talking about the RSS reader program, not the feeds on the home screen...19:27
ZogG_laptopi hate that builtin rss reader can't play youtube videos and even properly show animated pictures (eg gifs)19:28
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djszapiSqRt7744: you cannot do that ...19:31
djszapiwhat you can do is showing on  homescreen, and get my idea work t here.19:32
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ZogG_laptopdivan: hey couch =)19:36
M4rtinKdjszapi: I'm doing a Qt based GUI instead :)19:36
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M4rtinKbut anyone is welcome to help with the GTK porting, everything is in OBS19:36
itsnotabigtruckit looks like appsformeego is now unscrewed19:38
itsnotabigtruckafter several days19:38
djszapiM4rtinK: you sold your soul to the devil ? ;)19:38
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itsnotabigtruckugh, people need to start using the right fonts in their apps19:41
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itsnotabigtruckthe n9 uses nokia's new font for *everything*, so it's jarring when you see some third party app using arial or something everywhere19:41
djszapifont will be changing in PR1.219:41
itsnotabigtruckit's not changing per se, they're adjusting the x-height iirc19:42
djszapiand app users might need changes of course.19:42
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: sup19:42
djszapiwrong, actually the app will be over the height.19:42
itsnotabigtruckbut that's a separate problem from what i'm talking about, which is using the wrong font entirely19:42
djszapiso more like y-wise anyway.19:42
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itsnotabigtruckit's called x-height because it's the height of an 'x'19:43
djszapinever heard of it.19:44
ZogG_laptopi heard of x-men19:44
ZogG_laptopcoz they man of x19:44
djszapiha ha :D19:45
itsnotabigtrucklooks like the x-height is probably the same, they're changing some other height characteristic19:47
ZogG_laptop and if you saw the big bang theory, you would know who is c-men19:47
itsnotabigtruckanyway, don't be so pedantic all the time, it's grating19:47
ZogG_laptopwhy it never works for me =\19:48
itsnotabigtruckoh shit, now i know why my alarm didn't go off - it honors the volume control, which i lowered to play angry birds quietly19:48
khertan_ <<<< grrrr19:48
itsnotabigtruckthe alarm really ought to ignore the volume control, like on symbian19:48
khertan_wiki say there was just two rule to change in debian/changelog to compile an shitty qml app for cobs from qtcreator19:48
khertan_it s false19:48
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: so you are saying if you turnoff volume - alarm would be silent?19:48
djszapikhertan_: there is already a password generator.19:49
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: sounds like bug report19:49
ZogG_laptopkhertan_: hey man19:49
khertan_djszapi, yeah but didn't follow the rule i use19:50
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khertan_djszapi, and didn't like their firefox extension19:50
itsnotabigtruckkhertan_: make sure to give your app a nice name on the home screen19:51
itsnotabigtrucki.e. not khtpasswdgen19:51
djszapikhertan_: that is probably yet another one than I am talkin' about.19:51
itsnotabigtrucktoo many apps have cryptic names that don't look so good19:51
khertan_i like it :)19:51
khertan_it s not cryptic19:51
djszapiI was wondering what Kht meant in the editor in the beginning.19:51
djszapibut yeah, you are entitled to use that ... for sure ;)19:51
ZogG_laptopkhtweeteur =)19:52
khertan_kht ... khertan with less letter19:52
ZogG_laptopkhertan_: when is n9 version out?19:52
itsnotabigtrucki guess "Pwd. Gneerator" wouldnt fit19:52
khertan_of what khweeteur ?19:52
itsnotabigtruckagggh, ssh lag strikes again19:52
ZogG_laptopkhertan_: yes =)19:53
djszapiZogG_laptop: I tested for you so many things :)19:53
djszapicould you please test the debian package aforementioned ?19:53
khertan_ZogG_laptop, probably when i ll be able to theme qwidget19:53
khertan_i ll not rewrite it in qml19:53
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: link me it (you barely tested for me)19:53
ZogG_laptopkhertan_: can't u keep it qt?19:54
khertan_and harmattan come already with a twitter19:54
djszapiZogG_laptop: see above19:54
khertan_ZogG_laptop, qt isn't available on harmattan19:54
khertan_just qml19:54
khertan_ZogG_laptop, Khweeteur 0.7.3 available in extras-testing (fremantle) :)19:56
djszapikhertan_: qt is not available on Harmattan ?19:57
djszapieven qt5 ;-)19:57
khertan_qt5 ... what can i say about it19:57
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: dpkg -i showed no errors19:57
admiral0qwidget is not available on harmattan?19:58
djszapiZogG_laptop: thanks. I do not know how to fix my issue here then. :/19:58
admiral0there is
djszapiimho not, the ui is based on asm. ;)19:58
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admiral0djszapi: it's lisp you dummy19:59
khertan_admiral0, yep there is libQtGui ... did you try to use it ?19:59
khertan_not themed19:59
admiral0fortunately i've got the last page of the source19:59
khertan_all text widget have vbk problem19:59
djszapinor was it on Fremantle.19:59
khertan_djszapi, it was on fremantle20:00
admiral0khertan_: this can be fixed. we can do qwidget themes20:00
khertan_admiral0, haha , did you try20:00
admiral0we cannot fix meegotouchhome20:00
djszapiyes, open governance and all that jazz ..20:00
admiral0and that pisses me off20:00
khertan_yeh ... so no kinetic scrolling20:00
khertan_and full of other problem20:01
khertan_just suck20:01
djszapiport to qml, it is not that hard ...20:01
djszapieven such a huge project, like calligra could manage it.20:01
admiral0nokia is full of fail ultimately :\20:01
djszapior the whole kde stack with plasma active to mobiles.20:01
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admiral0and where did write once, run everywhere end?20:02
djszapiUnity3d stole that slogan ... :)20:03
admiral0if they make it run on GNU/Linux they will be justified20:03
admiral0now they aren't20:03
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admiral02 platforms and bragging about "run anywhere"?20:04
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ZogG_laptopskins new season \o/20:06
* admiral0 today is too much pissed.20:06
djszapiadmiral0: take a tea ;)20:09
admiral0will make it worse20:10
admiral0some violent Urban Terror frags could do though20:10
admiral0or nuking my minecraft map20:10
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* admiral0 awwww20:19
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djszapiWhat is the closest lookout in qml in comparison with QComboBox ? I guess SelectionDialog works, and maybe a button with a text triggering that ?20:44
djszapiwith a text, as in the currently selected string.20:44
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tommathat might be the best solution20:53
djszapiinteresting why there is no such an element by default..20:54
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rm_workWhat bands does the Lumia 800 have? I'm on T-mobile US, and heard I may not be able to get data....21:06
ieatlintyou'll get 2g/edge only, yes21:08
ieatlintit supports two 3g bands... neither of which are band iv/tmo-us 3g21:08
rm_worklooking now though it says it supports 1900?21:09
rm_workwhich is t-mo 4g?21:09
ieatlintthat's att21:10
ieatlinttmo is 1700/210021:10
* rm_work is confused then21:10
ieatlinthrm, have never heard of that21:11
ieatlintis from an article dated 4 weeks ago21:11
rm_workah, apparently it is uncommon21:12
ieatlintyeah, the article says norcal, nevada and the pnw21:12
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SqRt7744am I the only person who has noticed that it is impossible to merge contacts? They are unmerged after a reboot.21:13
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ieatlintSqRt7744: you're perhaps syncing contacts from an external source that replaces them on a sync21:14
ieatlintmerging contacts works fine here, etc21:14
ieatlintrm_work: you have me curious... will try putting my sim in this lumia device later today.. am skeptical i'll get anything, but who knows21:15
rm_worki am annoyed because I need to cut my sim to micro-sim to even TRY21:15
rm_workbut then it'll be dodgy putting it back in my n950 if it fails21:15
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ieatlintdon't put it back into the n950 if you try21:16
ieatlintdon't use a microsim to minisim adapter on any spring loaded sim holder21:16
rm_workthen if it doesn't work, i'm fucked?21:16
rm_workhave to buy a new sim?21:16
befordyou ask for a new sim21:16
ieatlintit has a very high risk of damaging the contacts irrepairably21:17
befordmost operators here don't charge for replacing sim, some charge very little :P21:17
ieatlinttmo-us will charge something stupid like $2021:17
rm_workwill tmo-us just give me a real micro-sim if i ask?21:17
rm_workor sell me one?21:17
ieatlinti just went to a tmo-us store and bought a microsim21:18
ieatlinthave my minisim still, a phone call to customer service reactivates it21:18
rm_workif i I have to buy a sim-cutter anyway that will cost me 10-15 with shipping anyway21:18
rm_workso i may as well just go to tmo store and buy a microsim then21:18
rm_workand not bork my old sim21:18
* rm_work looks up tmo stores21:18
rm_workhow long does it take them21:18
befordnot sure if you can get two sims for the same line21:18
befordthey will probably deactivate the old one21:19
rm_workthey'll probably deactivate one21:19
ieatlintthey just need the number on the sim card to activate it, and you can call up and change back to the old sim anytime21:19
ieatlintswitch takes <10min21:19
rm_workbut like he said, can prolly just call them to switch back21:19
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ieatlintrm_work: call ahead though21:19
ieatlintthey have trouble keeping them in stock out here anyway21:19
ieatlintenough people with iphones i guess21:20 sells them too21:20
rm_worksells micro-sims?!21:20
rm_worki was shopping on amazon for the cutters...21:20
ieatlint for instance (several others there doing it too)21:20
rm_workdidn't even think to just look for a sim21:20
rm_worklol $7.5021:21
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befordbtw, anyone still running PR 1.0? how am I supposed to test apps for ovistore with 1.0 if I can't downgrade :/21:25
mgedminmy N950 has PR 1.0, because OTA upgrade fails obscurely21:27
ieatlint might be pr1.0?21:27
ieatlintnope, just looked, all pr1.1 there, heh21:29
SpeedEvilIt would be quite reasonable to ask for some PR1.0 RDA21:29
SpeedEvilI wonder who'd be most appropruate to poke21:29
SpeedEvilthe ovi QA people?21:30
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ajalkaneshould complain to somewhere about that pr 1.0 testing business. Maybe N9 Developer blog?21:37
SpeedEvilI'd see if I could find the RDA people, ping them, and the ovi QA people too. Blog too perhaps.21:38
ajalkaneBut alas... Skyrim calls21:38
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befordarrow to the knee21:41
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Venemohey guys21:50
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Venemothis crap disconnected me21:51
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VenemoI'm looking for someone who has uploaded something to Ovi Store21:51
Venemodo you really need to make a complete support website for your app?21:51
Venemothey rejected my app in the QA because my support site, according to them, doesn't work21:52
Venemoit's indeed just a placeholder site with a contact email address21:52
Venemobut WTF anyway?21:52
grihuh? I've seen apps where some user linked to his blog post which stated "my app is online"21:52
admiral0give github bugtracker21:52
ieatlinti have done it for symbian... i had a bs support site21:53
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ieatlintis i a redtube app then? :P21:53
Venemoalso, they say that I have invalid UTF8 characters in my control file... WTF??? I saved it in UTF-8 with gedit! the device displays all characters.21:53
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ieatlintjust use ascii unless you actually need utf821:54
Venemomy name contains an 'ó'21:54
Venemoin the maintainer name field21:55
Venemobut WTF? it works on the device... why doesn't it work for them?21:55
tommamaybe notepad doesn't display it right?21:57
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ieatlintaccuse them of insulting your name21:57
Venemolol :D21:57
ieatlinti once got into a fight with ovi store about the fact a field couldn't take utf8, despite the fact that the field was storing a piece of data in the phone that didn't support utf821:58
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ieatlintthey told me despite symbian's lack of support for handling utf8 properly there, i had to support it21:58
ieatlintthey simply said they weren't QA for symbian itself, so they couldn't do anything about it21:59
griWell, take a look at ovi store descriptions containing "ä" "ü" "ö". For some reason there's always a space before the special characters21:59
Venemoit's ridiculous in 2012 that something doesn't support UTF-822:00
ieatlintespecially from a company that speaks a language that requires more than the english alphabet? :P22:01
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djszapiVenemo_: o/22:05
Venemo_hi djszapi :)22:06
djszapiVenemo_: the issue was the buggy documentation22:06
Venemo_djszapi, what was the solution?22:06
fralsVenemo_: seems to be common past few days that submission is rejected due to website22:07
djszapiusing "background"22:07
fralsVenemo_: i just resubmitted without changing anything and it got accepted22:07
fralssame for a colleague22:07
Venemo_frals, lol...22:07
ieatlintVenemo_: just add a random web form that does nothing to your support page22:07
Venemo_this is it22:08
fralsVenemo_: it doesnt load for me22:11
fralsas in cant find the server22:11
Venemo_what might be the reason for that? :(22:11
fralsanyway my support site for ovi is
fralswhich seems fine22:12
griit does load for me22:12
Venemo_well, admiral0 also mentioned that he also had a server not found error22:12
Venemo_but what may be the reason? some DNS weirdness or what?22:13
griI have dns not found for my own server when I'm in university but at home it works :D22:13
fralsfrals@potestas:~:$ nslookup puzzle-master.colorful.hu22:14
frals;; Got SERVFAIL reply from, trying next server22:14
frals** server can't find NXDOMAIN22:14
fralsnon existent domain22:14
griNon-authoritative answer:22:14
Venemo_how about plain ?22:14
Venemo_but how is that even possible???? :O22:16
ieatlinti get valid results, and the authority being
fralsi get that both from my .fi isp and my .se one22:16
grifrals: can you resolve
fralsgri: nope22:16
ieatlintyeah, i got the whois record as well22:17
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Venemo_is something missing from the DNS record? or what may be the issue,22:17
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merlin1991Venemo: I can browse your I'm still working on this page22:24
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fralsmgedmin: re creating logo from user defined text: and deb at
Venemobut how the hell is it possible that you get NXDOMAIN while it worksforme?22:33
MohammadAGfrals: Add animated wallpapers :p22:33
frals(nokia pure text has HORRIBLE font metrics)22:33
MohammadAGWith a low fps of course22:33
Venemothe domain has existed for over 2 years with the same DNS record22:33
MohammadAGOr team up with RST38h to provide weather on the lockscreen22:33
MohammadAGFrals ^22:34
fralsRST38h is doing something with weather?22:34
frals(should be easy to just write the icon to gconf and it will update itself properly)22:34
fralshmm, twitter is hating on me,!/frals/status/160095985090043904 works, but it doesnt show in my feed either on web or on devices22:35
MohammadAGfrals: MeeCast afaik22:36
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mgedminfrals, what does the slider do?22:41
mgedminfont size? vertical positioning?22:41
fralsmgedmin: font size22:41
mgedminI wish twitter indicated which messages are new when I pull down to refresh in the twitter app22:41
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rm_workieatlint: ok, so it cost me $20 to find out that there's no 1900 band 3g on tmobile in San Antonio22:44
rm_workwhich is, eh, whatever :P22:44
rm_workon the plus size I got a new regular SIM at the same time22:44
rm_work*plus side22:45
rm_workand swapped back instantly22:45
rm_workmight just switch to AT&T22:45
rm_workthen i would get reception at work, too22:45
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admiral0megaupload is down22:47
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poutsihip hop money ran out?22:50
admiral0everybody arrested22:50
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mgedminfrals, the .deb url in your tweet doesn't work22:55
mgedminI get a "Sorry, file is no longer here..." page22:55
fralsmgedmin: do a refresh, i accidentally rm'd it22:56
mgedmingot it!22:56
* mgedmin sighs22:57
mgedmintap a .deb in transfers list, nothing happens for ~2 seconds22:57
mgedminof course I tapped again within 0.3s22:58
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mgedminso the other taps errored out saying it was already installing something else (same package name) ;)22:58
mgedminanyway, the installation ends up with "Can't install: Installation package not found".  WTF?22:58
fralsmgedmin: need to uninstall it if you have it installed already22:59
fralsassuming you installed it from store aegis wont let you replace it from unknown origin23:00
fralsthat error message got to win some kind of award for being useless though23:00
mgedminsomebody doesn't believe in clear error messages ...23:00
mgedminovi store likes to steal focus very very much23:02
mgedmintap ovi store http link, browser comes up, ovi store comes up23:03
mgedminswipe away because ovi store loads like forever23:03
mgedminand it's back!23:03
mgedminswipe away again, try to scroll app menu23:03
mgedminand ovi store is back!23:03
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deramnever seen that happen23:03
CissWitHi there, i had the 232 repository set up in my souces.list.d but it returned 404.23:03
CissWitI tried to change it with the 005 like a friend, and it now proposes upgrades23:04
CissWitdo you know if it is safe to upgrade ?23:04
mgedminfrals, the description says "Customize the low power mode logo"23:04
mgedminI thought the official name of that was the stand-by screen?23:05
fralsmgedmin: i have no idea what the official name is tbh23:05
mgedminSettings -> Device -> Display -> Stand-by screen: on/off23:05
deramisn't stand-by screen the one with wallpaper?23:05
mgedminderam, that's the lock screen, I believe23:05
deramoh.. ok..23:06
mgedminhelp says "If your phone is not used for a while, the display switches off and the Stand-by screen is activated."23:06
mgedmin"You can see the current time without unlocking the phone."23:06
fralshmm.. guess i should update the description23:07
mgedminfrals, is the "Save me!" button supposed to provide any feedback?23:07
fralsmgedmin: not really, no23:07
fralsmgedmin: it probably should, i guess :D23:07
mgedminI kept pressing it expecting something23:07
frals(im a dev, not a designer ;D)23:08
mgedminthe app looks almost professionally designed23:08
fralsyes, because i got a professional designer to do initial design :D23:08
mgedminhow about making the 'save me' button switch back to the pick screen, so you can see your newly-designed logo is already selected?23:09
mgedminalso, a ScrollDecorator for the image gallery would be nice23:09
fralsi asked her if she could give me a few hints on this version, but no telling how busy she is nowadays23:09
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fralsim almost sure there is one for the gallery list23:10
fralsat least on my device i can see it23:10
mgedminyou're right -- there is23:10
mgedminI have so many images it's like 1 pixel tall23:10
mgedminhard to notice23:10
fralsbut yeah, note taken about the save me button23:10
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mgedminhm, interesting23:11
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mgedminfrals, is there some caching going on?  I create an image, go back to pick and see it in the preview23:13
mgedminthen I go back to create, change the font size/text, hit save again23:13
fralsmgedmin: yeah, qml seems to cache the image because the imagename is the same :/23:13
mgedmingo back to pick and it shows me the old preview23:13
fralsi should change the name of the image or make qml not cache it23:14
frals(patches welcome ;))23:14
mgedminnow I need to come up with something interesting quote for my lock screen...23:15
frals heh23:16
* SpeedEvil ponders the power of Anonymous - if they'd just all call their congresspersons on the same day.23:18
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ieatlinti called my repesentatives to encourage them to continue their support of sopa23:21
ieatlinthow else can i abuse it?23:21
ieatlintyeah, it's all just an overblown thing23:28
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petteritrolling away in the internet23:29
ieatlintyou have it backwards anyway, it's not your place to tell americans how to handle their politics23:29
ieatlintit's ours to tell you23:29
deraminternet is right23:30
petterii think the best option would just cut the cables and let the US sort selves23:32
ieatlintwho would really be cutting who off then?23:32
ieatlintthink what you'd do if you couldn't access bing or facebook23:33
deramit would leave two partitions of internet, and I'd guess ours would be bigger part nowadays23:33
deramusing neither23:33
ieatlintby volume of users, yes, but by hosted services... wouldn't be too sure23:33
deramI would23:34
derammost of your services are already restricted from use by us23:34
ieatlintwell, confidence is attractive23:34
ieatlintyeah, that's more often than not due to foreign restrictions23:35
deramfor every there is .de and bunch of others available23:35
deraminternet used to be mostly served from US, but it has spread more evenly nowadays..23:37
ieatlintheh, clearly we need to test this23:38
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deramgo cut the cables... and please do it also on west coast23:39
itsnotabigtruckSOPA is definitely overblown, but it's definitely also a real threat23:40
itsnotabigtruckwhile half the stuff people are claiming sopa/protect ip would do isn't true, it would still lay the groundwork for censorship in the us23:40
itsnotabigtruckand at the same time, the state department decries censorship in china, the middle east, etc.23:41
itsnotabigtruckpiracy is today's bogeyman just like how child porn was the bogeyman 10 years ago, when they got the UK to institute net censorship23:42
itsnotabigtruckthat same system was used to block one of those usenet indexer sites the other day23:42
itsnotabigtruckieatlint ^23:42
nid0except cleanfeed's extremely limited scope and the ability to pull websites offline on a "good faith" request are rather different ballgames23:43
deramterrorism was one of US bogeymans, and it divided the online gambling to yours and ours23:43
ieatlintderam: i'm on the west coast, so that should be pretty easy... we'll definitely miss china23:43
deramI'd have to think the gambling was the main thing on that act..23:43
itsnotabigtrucknid0: "extremely limited scope" is a matter of opinion23:43
itsnotabigtruckcensorship is censorship and once you have the infrastructure it's a very short leap to block whatever you want23:44
nid0well not really, barring one or two hiccups over the past decade that've been sorted quickly, cleanfeed's "censorship" is tiny23:44
deramyes. and it could be hard to appeal on being censored by mistake23:44
nid0what about it? cleanfeed's been around for a decade, and 1 isp has now been ordered to block 1 site following countless court cases, and they dont even use cleanfeed itself to do it23:46
itsnotabigtruck> Justice Arnold ruled that BT must use its blocking technology CleanFeed - which is currently used to prevent access to websites featuring child sexual abuse - to block Newzbin 2.23:46
nid0whereas sopa can completely bypass courts23:46
ieatlintactually it still requies a hearing as i understand23:47
ieatlintjust no court case23:47
itsnotabigtruckalso it can be appealed but the sites that are likely to be targeted probably wouldn't bother with that23:48
nid0a copyright holder only has to send a takedown notice with a "good faith" belief that IP has been violated, it's then up to the defendant to go to court and pay the costs if they want to counter the request23:48
itsnotabigtruckgiven that it would cost more than they have to spare, and could subject the owners to us jurisdiction on other matters23:48
ieatlintnid0: yes, and in the event the original petitioner loses, they are liable for the costs23:49
deramand that is fair by what standards? takedown is automatic, if no one affords to stand up and defend?23:49
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itsnotabigtruckactually i was under the impression that the 'original petitioner' is always the government...let me reread the bill text23:50
itsnotabigtruckthe attorney general's office may initiate a court case against the owner of the site; failing that, they can initiate a case against the domain23:51
itsnotabigtruckwhich can result in a court order that triggers the provisions forcing ISPs, payment networks, ad providers, and search engines to hide/block/drop/etc. the targeted site23:52
SpeedEvilI assume there is no compensation if you are improperly targetted?23:52
itsnotabigtruckso that means that if i understand correctly, no, you can't kill random sites with takedown notices23:53
itsnotabigtruckbut it does mean that if you fall under the provisions of the bill (lots of stuff does) the government could take it down if they wanted to23:53
itsnotabigtruckand you can defend yourself but it would be expensive and risky23:53
phdesweritsnotabigtruck, no it means if you can pay for a lawyer the website will be taken down before you the "victim" can defend itself23:54
phdeswerAnd the governement does whatever it wants anyway.23:54
itsnotabigtruckactually i was only looking at section 10223:55
itsnotabigtruckyou guys were talking about section 103, which does set up a takedown notice scheme23:56
itsnotabigtruckhowever, it looks like section 103 can't be used to block a website23:57
itsnotabigtruckbut it can be used to cut off payments from us-based payment networks, and cut off advertisements on us-based ad networks23:57
itsnotabigtruckit's possible to file a counter-notification which cancels that, but that opens you up to liability in the US23:58
rm_workso, any clues on the release time for PR1.2 beta?23:58
itsnotabigtruckyeah, maybe we should talk about harmattan stuff :p23:58
itsnotabigtruckmaybe in a week or so? just guessing23:58

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