IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-01-18

merlin1991hm though I do have my n9 back it's ackting bad, store claims I not have enough free space to even install a single wallpaper00:03
merlin1991but I jsut got it back reflashed00:03
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merlin1991/home/user/MyDocs is fsckd00:05
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merlin1991neither /dev/mmcblk0p3 nor /dev/mmcblk0p1 is mounted00:08
merlin1991and ofc I can't mount it myself00:11
merlin1991back to nokia care tomorrow, yay00:13
marsjemerlin1991: what did you do?00:15
merlin1991send it to care due to broken battery00:15
merlin1991got it back with new battery, boot up and experience weird errors00:15
merlin1991enabe dev mode to start finding out, relize only rootfs is mounted00:15
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admiral0anyone knows soap here?00:25
admiral0i have no idea of what i'm doing lol00:25
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itsnotabigtruckmerlin1991: why don't you wipe the phone before bringing it back00:28
itsnotabigtruckusing flasher 3.12.1 or whatever it is00:28
merlin1991well I did try reflashing to no avail00:29
itsnotabigtrucksince you got it back? that sounds like it ought to be a software problem...00:29
itsnotabigtruckor maybe see if there's anything mysterious in the logs?00:29
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merlin1991currently checking logs00:29
piggzadmiral0: sort of...00:32
admiral0piggz: navifirm uses soap00:32
admiral0piggz: pvt00:33
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: what are you working on?00:36
itsnotabigtrucknavifirm (the original 0.1 version) is my app so i might be able to help00:36
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: i want to do a quick perl script for linux n9 users to download firmware00:37
merlin1991hm mkfs.ext4 /dev/mmcp0p3 && mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcp0p1 fixed it00:38
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: you must erase flash before you can write new data to it00:39
DocScrutinizer~wiki flash (storage)00:39
infobotI couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves:
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: ah. well, since it's perl i'm sure there's a zillion SOAP libraries for it, just make sure you get the authentication token 1st00:39
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: well, you know what i mean00:40
marsjemerlin1991: you could format as devel-su?00:41
DocScrutinizerthough actually you're right - the controller in eMMC should deal with that00:41
itsnotabigtruckand rewrite = erase/write is usually hidden from the user anyway00:41
merlin1991but I couldn't mount in devel-su though a reboot took care of that00:41
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DocScrutinizerI guess the mkfs alike creation of "new content" is mostly a sparse write, so to reset and not leave ghost data in "free" blocks they first do a wipe00:43
DocScrutinizeror maybe the erase it actually only for NAND where it's absolutely mandatory00:44
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merlin1991I really wonder WHY i had no proper fs on those partitions00:46
merlin1991fsck complained about bad superblocks00:46
merlin1991so I did mkfs and magically everything works again00:46
merlin1991is there anything fdisk alike on the n9?00:46
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merlin1991hm flashed the openmode kernel and found no problems with fb so far01:24
merlin1991pw is stored persistent even over reboot01:24
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merlin1991well seems like aegifs behaves nicely if you erase all userdata prior to going open mode01:42
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marsjemerlin1991: I'm thinking about going open mode, but I don't dare yet01:51
marsjekeep on posting your experiences here01:51
merlin1991well next thing I'll try is flashing back stock image and checking if the bsw is gone after that01:52
merlin1991big scary warning (looks like this:
marsjeah yes01:53
marsjelooks scary indeed01:53
marsjeI agree with it, except the permanently voiding warranty01:54
merlin1991well it's fud about the warranty void01:54
marsjeit's not nice to put fud there01:54
merlin1991I can understand that they aren't responsible for stupid stuff you do, but warranty void can only be if you do stuff like oc01:54
marsjeor drop your phone in the toilett01:55
itsnotabigtruckdoes this channel have a tell command01:55
itsnotabigtruck~tell admiral0 close, the JSESSIONID is a soap parameter, not a querystring parameter01:56
marsje!tell !help01:56
marsjebed time..01:56
itsnotabigtruckok, infobot doesn't feel like accepting my ~tell01:56
* marsje tells marsje to go to bed01:56
itsnotabigtrucklater marsje!01:56
merlin1991I love the gerneric "erasing this my take while" from flasher :P01:56
itsnotabigtruck~tell admiral0 -about close, the JSESSIONID is a soap parameter, not a querystring parameter01:57
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itsnotabigtruckoh, apparently ~tell is for passively aggressively sending people canned messages, not a traditional tell command01:57
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merlin1991flashing back firmware removes bsw02:14
merlin1991time to get the bsw back02:14
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merlin1991the bsw is awesome :)02:15
itsnotabigtruckmerlin1991: bsw?02:15
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merlin199128 lines up02:16
itsnotabigtruckoh, that bsw02:16
itsnotabigtruckerm, so you reflashed the firmware, rebooted the phone, and are now going to install the OM kernel?02:17
itsnotabigtruckdon't do that02:17
merlin1991oh I'm so going todo that02:17
merlin1991and why not?02:17
merlin1991also I just did02:17
itsnotabigtruckyou can't boot the reflashed firmware before installing the OM kernel02:17
itsnotabigtruckor you'll generate aegisfs protected storage files encrypted with the secure mode encryption key02:18
itsnotabigtruckthe open mode encryption key is loaded during an open mode boot02:18
itsnotabigtruckthat will fuck up anything that uses aegisfs02:18
merlin1991yep, but said files only get created if you fire up apps that use said files02:18
itsnotabigtrucki thought they got created on 1st boot02:18
merlin1991seems like they don't02:19
itsnotabigtruckalso if you completed a boot i'd imagine *something* would create some protected storage files02:19
merlin1991since it works just fine02:19
itsnotabigtruckcertmgr maybe02:19
merlin1991maybe certmgr /me checks02:19
merlin1991nope ssl certed webpages work just fine02:22
merlin1991though when flashing the kernel it flashed the image "cert-sw" and "kernel"02:22
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jonnimerlin1991: there are some files generated on 1st boot, so you get better working OM if you dont boot to secure mode.07:33
jonnimerlin1991: and you asked about fdisk, there is sfdisk in N9.07:34
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thpX-Fade: (why) is down? :/09:38
RST38hthp: Why do you want it up? Last time I checked, there were a total of 5 apps there09:48
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thpRST38h: because i try to have all my oss apps there, and if people can't download them from there, that's not a good thing ;)10:10
RST38hthp: I suggest rm_you's repo instead.10:11
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MohammadAGWhat prevents from setting up harmattan-devel on extras10:17
MohammadAGErr, on Maemo.org10:17
MohammadAGWe can write our own app manager10:18 is more dead than alive10:18
DocScrutinizer51this might change with 'meego' migration to infra though10:19
thpMohammadAG: afaiui, (and the COBS?) already run on hardware, and with the upcoming demise of the domain, at least the obs + forum will be somewhere under maemo.org10:21
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MohammadAGthp: I meant through the same extras interface10:32
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MohammadAGWith dput and all, it worked for maemo10:32
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thpoh yeah, i liked that too. but apparently there's an obs command line client (obc?) but i only tried it once in 2009 ;)10:39
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MohammadAGThp yeah, but I still preferred extras10:44
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MohammadAGHeya stroughtonsmith, nice to see you on #harmattan10:45
stroughtonsmithI'm here often enough :-)10:45
stroughtonsmithand #nemomobile. Since i'm oldschool10:46
RST38hMoo, Mohammad10:46
MohammadAGstroughtonsmith: I'm still on #maemo, beat that! :p10:46
MohammadAGMoo RST38h10:47
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thpRST38h: so where can i find rm_you's repo?10:48
RST38ha moment10:49
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thpRST38h: nice :) is there a client app for it? i see it has a Packages.gz, so it's at least possible to apt-get stuff from it i assume11:10
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MohammadAGWe need a proper apt app manager11:14
stroughtonsmithCydia for Harmattan :P11:16
stroughtonsmithone of the Cydia devs has an N911:17
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petterii think the current community efforts around N9 are confusing. Why not get some domain (like, build app manager for it and put the all the community apps there. If appsformeego is trying to do the same thing at least the front page with with all the different devices etc. is not "working" for me11:22
MohammadAGstroughtonsmith: I kinda prefer how cydia implemented apt11:23
MohammadAGCompared with apps like fapman which called /usr/bin/apt11:24
MohammadAGErr, apt-get11:24
stroughtonsmithright, you kinda want something integrated and nice11:24
RST38hthp: Nah, there is no client app, but it is perfectly apt-gettable11:39
RST38hthp: In fact, I am not quite sure why appsformeego client app only works with appsformeego11:40
rZrthat one is opensource isnt it ?11:40
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CokeHello. Is it possible to make the N9 behave like the N900 ?11:57
CokeI want a terminal, trying to switch to developer-mode as suggested requests an install which fails because it is "interrupted"11:57
Cokethusly, I cannot install anything and I cannot get a terminal.11:57
Corsac(you'll have to provide more information on the “interrupted” part because that's the correct way to do it11:58
Corsacand it works for other people so something fishy happened11:59
Cokewhat more information do you want? that's all im getting11:59
Cokeenable developer mode? OK11:59
CokeDependencies notice (to complete installation blah blah) Accept11:59
Corsac(might be worth taking a picture of the screen too)11:59
CokeInstallation failed  deveoper-mode, installation interrupted. Try again (or cancel)11:59
Cokethats all the text there is11:59
Coke"Installation failed, developer-mode, installation interrupted Try Again / Cancel"12:00
Corsacwell, it'd still help12:00
Corsacyou do have network connection when doing that?12:00
Cokei can google12:00
Cokeand theres a wifi icon at the top12:00
Cokethe n9 doesnt make sense at all, no radio transmitter, no keyboard and useful things like terminal doesnt come as standard app.12:02
CorsacI just tried to install one of the developer mode tools and it did worked, so that looks like a network issue between you and the repository12:02
Cokethe n900 kicks it's ass12:02
Corsacdid someone force you to buy the N9?12:02
Cokei thought it'd be an upgrade.12:02
Cokealso, ive had my trust 900 for some time, the screen is starting to fail12:02
Corsacyou could have informed yourself before12:02
Cokei looked for a replacement n900, but needless to say, vendors dont sell em no more12:02
CokeCorsac: sure. I thought the new os would make up for the lack of hw.12:03
jani <- anyone seen this sort of error with cobs ?12:03
janieverything goes fine until  this:12:04
janiflightoggle_0.9.1_armel.deb: arch is empty12:04
Cokewhat a dud.12:05
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janicoke: i've installed dev-mode once on my device, i had similar issues but after few re-tries it went on fine ..12:08
petteriCoke: remember reading that someone could not install develpor mode with wifi, maybe try with 3g12:09
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kevin_byea me12:26
kevin_bThough I don't remember this occured with 1.112:27
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mwrfjonni, saw your suggestion re: date and time to get by "installation interrupted"12:34
mwrfwhen enabling developer mode12:34
mwrfdidn't work unfortunately12:34
mwrfI'm going flash it now.12:35
mwrfA warm flash, setting the time correctly resolved that.12:50
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DrGrovGood evening13:01
DrGrovI wonder what happened on my N9. I plugged in the charger and just took it out within a few seconds. The pop-up window let me know that "your USB-charger is not working. Please contact Nokia Care bla bla bla bla..."13:02
DrGrovThen I plugged it back in and did the same thing and no errors what so ever.13:02
DrGrovWTF was that all about? Anyone else got the same issue?13:03
DrGrovCould it actually be so that my charger actually has some issue?13:03
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc. You probably got some clue about WTF happened with that charger thing?13:05
DrGrovBut it does seem that the charger is working properly after that and no errors appearing once I plugged it back in after repeated testing.13:06
janiseen the same thing, i'd say that pm gets a notification that device is plugged to charger but before the unplugging notification is received, it checks if it can really charge anything and since it is not able to as charger is already unplugged, it will send you this message ..13:07
janipm == power management ..13:08
janipersonal opinion: its a feature, not a bug or hardware issue.13:08
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DrGrovjani: So apparently I just plugged it out too fast after the charging notification appeared?13:10
DrGrovjani: But apparently it did not happen afterwards because I waited about 1-2 seconds when getting the "Charging.." notification and unplugged and it just told me that I should really unplug it from the wall socket before I unplug it from the phone.13:11
DrGrovjani: Have you experienced any problems with your charger after getting that message?13:15
janiDrGrov: nope. and i've seen the message multiple times.13:20
DrGrovjani: Good to hear. Thanks for clearing that up for me :) I just did the plugging - unplugging in a hurry and that is why I got surprised13:20
janionly issue i had the the charger was that when a hit my backpack on the bus to the side wall, a beer can in the same compartment as charger started to drip and totally soaked the charger.  And after that it did not work :D13:22
DrGrovjani: Okay, so only issue with the charger has been selfcaused :D13:22
janibut in this case, im 99.99% that this is a bad design in the pm side that it sends the notification to the user without checking of charger is already unplugged.13:22
janiDrGrov: yes indeed.13:23
DrGrovjani: Ok, but luckily there is then no serious harm in getting that notification which is good.13:23
DrGrovjani: Good that you cleared it up for me how it actually works because I was so surprised about the message.13:24
DrGrovI wonder though why my battery is running out so fast though. Perhaps having an automatic data connection on all the time is causing that draining?13:25
DrGrovIt lasts easily 1 full day but barely 2 as it seems.13:25
Hq`that sounds quite normal13:28
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janiyeah, thats quote normal for me too ..13:41
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vladestany news regarding PR1.2 on n950?14:11
jonniyou mean PR1.2 _beta_ for N950, no new news other than that old blog post few days ago.14:14
vladestok, 10x14:15
DrGrovSorry for asking yet another idiotic question.14:21
DrGrovWhen I am charging the N9, does it automatically stop to charge the battery once it is full? Or do I need do quite fast remove the charger so I do not harm the battery?14:22
nix-cyrusDrGrov: I hope N9 quite smart to stop charging when it is necessary14:26
DrGrovnix-cyrus: Ok. I wondered since if I leave it on during day/night to charge and just sleep or do something else that it does not harm the battery.14:26
DrGrovnix-cyrus: Sort of if I forget that it is charging :D14:27
deramI've seen something like 95% charged capasity after very long charging, so I suspect it stops charging when 100% and restarts charging at somewhere like 90%14:28
DrGrovderam: Ok, so then it does work as it should. Probably should not drop too fast after 8h or so of sleep. But thanks for clearing it up. So it is safe then to leave charging for ex. over night so it is ready for morning.14:28
deramThat is how I use my phone always14:29
DrGrovIs there any way to get % to show up with the battery? Now it is difficult to judge the phone and its battery.14:29
DrGrovderam: So you wait until night before you charge it and it works well like that without problems of over charging?14:30
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Hq`install "battery usage" application from store14:30
deramBattery Usage application in ovi store show everything you need to know about the battery status14:30
DrGrovOk, I will try to get that from the store then. I would like to monitor the battery a few days to see what is actally doing what. Thanks for the tip :)14:31
petterii tought the battery usage will drain the battery really fast14:31
petteribattery usage app :)14:31
DrGrovOk, so it is better to not use battery usage app then even for monitoring quickly what is happening? Ok. I will leave it be then14:32
deramDrGrov: If at night the battery is below 60% I put it to charger and unplug it when I need it the next morning... some times it stays couple of nights straight in charger..14:32
DrGrovderam: Aha, so you keep it that long even continously charging and no problems?14:32
DrGrovSo it seems like I have been thinking wrong then about this whole overcharging the battery thingie.14:33
DrGrovI was seriously afraid of overcharging the battery and causing harm14:33
deramDrGrov: haven't seen any problems, and I bought the phone when it was first sold14:33
DrGrovOk thanks for giving me a piece of mind deram :)14:33
derampetteri: I just checked and 9mA idle usage with batery monitor installed14:34
deram"discharged  from 96% to 70% in 1 days"14:35
DrGrovSo now when I have the phone charging and it is almost ready I do not need to unplug it right away? I can leave until before I go to sleep14:35
Hq`petteri: any data to back up that claim? :)14:35
petteriHq`: no just read from tmo and finnish forums, probably not true14:35
DrGrovI suspect that my battery is not really fully charged when it is 100% since I have not done more than 2-3 full charges yet.14:35
DrGrovThat is why it runs out during 1 day, almost during 1 day.14:36
DrGrovSo now when I have the phone charging and it is almost ready I do not need to unplug it right away? I can leave until before I go to sleep in the charger or at least a few hours?14:37
deramat least for Li-ion batteries the worst you can do is leave them empty for some time.. I suspect this also is the case for LiPo battery used14:37
DrGrovWell, so I can leave it still in the charger now when it is fully charged?14:38
DrGrovThat is what you mean deram ?14:38
Hq`don't worry about overcharging, the device won't let you do it14:38
DrGrovHq`: So you mean it is safe now to leave it in the charger once it is fully charged and just remove the charger when I need the phone next time?14:38
DrGrovHq`: Thanks :)14:38
* DrGrov hugs Hq` for the comforting answer :)14:39
nix-cyrusDrGrov: yes) it is exactly what they mean14:39
petteriit will stop chraching and and start again when the batter drops to some level14:39
petteriwhen it is connected14:39
DrGrovWhat if I do not need the phone in about 15h or so? Still no harm for the battery if it is in the charger all the time?14:40
petteriwhen connected it will stop charching when full and start again when it drops below 70% or something14:41
DrGrovOk, I got it now. Thanks Hq` , deram , petteri and nix-cyrus for helping out14:42
nix-cyruspetteri: so u think that 'battery usage' has power leaks?14:42
petterinix-cyrus: not sure, hopefully not14:43
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Richlvargh. why does require login ?15:36
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tabaskoRichlv: because they dont want leeching bots downloading their stuffs16:08
marsjeit is unbelievable how many websites there are that sit between the info you need and google16:12
marsjewebsites leeching forums and mailinglist archives16:13
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marsjeand just displaying what is already on another website, minus formatting plus ads16:13
marsjeblah16:13 got quite annoying in the past months, imo. they have a pretty good page-rank it seems16:14
KRFand they really just add one level of indirection with no addititional information16:14
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marsjethere are only a few sites on internet to provide you with information and many that are just in between, hoping to get a good google rank and make money of ads16:18
marsjeget a real job...16:19
kevin_bDoes porn industry provide real job?:D16:47
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marsjekevin_b: some would call it a hobby16:54
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Richlvtabasko, ah. but that's rather inconvenient for users :)17:08
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IktwoHi I'm trying to make an app like outgoing vibro for maemo, but I can't make phone vibrate with something like the example in  but phone does not vibrate, anyone has done something using feedback ?17:13
DocScrutinizer51DrGrov: charger thing?17:20
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DocScrutinizer51ooh, more context17:20
* DocScrutinizer51 gives -C 717:20
DocScrutinizer51DrGrov: race. charger detected, charger voltage probed ==0, error asserted, charger removal detected17:22
kevin_bIktwo : you didnt tell aegis you want to make N9 vibrates brrrzzmmz ;D17:23
kevin_bor I dont know17:23
DocScrutinizer51afk for more coredump analyzing from our APE17:23
Iktwobut If I didn't tell aegis it won't let my install my app or it installs fine but just don't work?17:25
Iktwodo I really need to ask for a token to use     QtFeedback   ?17:25
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kevin_breally dunno, harmattan dev's doc sum it up all17:27
Iktwothanks kevin_b is there a way to know if my app needs a token?17:29
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Iktwothanks but feedback it's not in "Qt Declarative modules that require security credentials"17:36
kevin_bSo i'd say no17:37
Iktwothen I don't know what's wrong..17:38
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rafael2kpeople, is usb hostmode working on harmattan?18:11
rafael2kany hope?18:12
SpeedEvilIt seems unclear as to how to make it work, and not require the user to do things which may pop up ominous warnings, or require tehm to do things which nokia claims voids the warranty.18:13
itsnotabigtruckSpeedEvil: well, ignoring the BSW, is it doable?18:17
SpeedEvilin principle, yes.18:17
itsnotabigtrucki think we're at the point where "rooting" is going to be necessary to do the coolest stuff, a la other phones18:17
itsnotabigtruckso the bsw is just going to have to be a cost of doing business18:18
SpeedEvilYou can trun a foreign kernel on the n9, and the kernel and hardware seem quite capable of it.18:18
SpeedEvilA major issue is that - there re conflicting reports here - it may wipe all the users settings effectively. And make swapping between stock and hostmode kernels do the same.18:18
SpeedEvilI may be confused on this - I've not been following it as much as I should.18:19
itsnotabigtruckSpeedEvil: well, during the installation process, yeah. at least if you don't want stuff to break18:19
itsnotabigtruckbut that isn't that bad, tbh18:19
SpeedEvilIt depends.18:19
SpeedEvilThe likelyhood developers will work on a problem depends on the number of users who are able to use it18:20
SpeedEvilIf it seems unlikely that many users will go past the scary warnings, ...18:20
rafael2kIm already using openmode btw18:20
SpeedEvilrafael2k: aha!18:20
SpeedEvilAm I spouting bullshit?18:20
rafael2ki just would like to have everything that was possible with the n900 back18:21
SpeedEvilCan you clarify my above statements in any way?18:22
rafael2know with squeeze in chroot im almost satisfied18:22
rafael2k: )18:22
itsnotabigtruckrafael2k: is there *anything* that's broken18:23
rafael2keverything is working fine18:23
rafael2kjust when I reboot, beyond the scary message, I have to write again the nokia login password18:24
SpeedEvilrafael2k: So there were no issues with accounts, or stuff stopping working on going openmode?18:24
SpeedEvilAs I'd heard reports of that before.18:24
itsnotabigtruckyeah, i've heard conflicting reports but everything is from peoplewho haven't actually done it18:24
rafael2kIm using it for 1 week already, every day usage18:25
SpeedEvilI was reporting on old reports by Jaceowski.18:25
rafael2kno issue at all18:25
itsnotabigtrucki'll probably do mine when 1.2 comes out18:25
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rafael2kI now Im really root in the device...18:26
rafael2kbtw, Im on N950, but I have a friend on N918:26
rafael2kall good18:26
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rafael2kconcerting the account, Im using skype, jabber and msn, all good.18:29
itsnotabigtruckbtw has anyone ported prboom to n9? :D18:33
itsnotabigtruckalso, a automatic rooter needs to be built if open mode is to catch on - how about "OneClickRoot"18:34
merlin1991SpeedEvil: I did flash the openmode kernel to my n918:34
merlin1991as long as you erase all user data whilst doing that everything works fine because the aegisfs works fine then18:35
SpeedEvilmerlin1991: Did you try not erasing - rafael2k seems to say not.18:35
itsnotabigtruck lmao18:35
merlin1991SpeedEvil: not erasing results in the problems with accounts, ...18:36
merlin1991simply anything you used that uses the aegisfs is then partly broken18:36
merlin1991but as I understood it it should be possible to create a backup with the backup thingy, erase + flash to openmode and then play back the backup18:36
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merlin1991gonna try that one day when the n9 has a lil bit more of test data18:37
itsnotabigtruckbtw i was asking about how one would go about resetting the lock password, the flasher documentation says --erase-user-data does that18:38
itsnotabigtruck(same thing you use to wipe the phone to clear the road for open mode)18:38
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itsnotabigtruckTMO could really use a section for harmattan apps18:43
itsnotabigtruckright now everything n9 related is dumped in one place18:43
itsnotabigtruckalso, any idea what's up with it's still down18:44
nix-cyrusbtw is openmode work on 16gb models?18:45
nix-cyrusitsnotabigtruck: about apps4meego - some kind of answer to SOPA :)18:46
itsnotabigtrucknix-cyrus: yup, and lol18:46
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itsnotabigtruckwhy wouldn't it?18:46
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nix-cyrusdon't know.. I saw a theme at forum.. where man writing that it didn't work on his 16gb N918:47
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itsnotabigtrucknix-cyrus: oh, hrm. got a link?18:48
nix-cyrusitsnotabigtruck: it is russia-lang forum at meegos.ru18:49
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itsnotabigtrucknix-cyrus: link it anyway? google translate could save the day18:52
* jkt has just published his first Ovi store item,
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kevin_bDo you use Imaag.smooth = true ? or use an scaled instanced of the image file?19:01
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damaltorjkt: where did you get the image from? i found it quite a few times around the net, you sure it is not copyrighted?19:17
nid0it is, but purchasable:
jktdamaltor: it's on flickr under an apropriate cc license19:21
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griwow, quite expensive19:21
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damaltorjkt: oh great. dont misunderstand me, didnt want to offend you. i just thought i had seen that pic somewhere, and reverse image search found lots of copies19:23
jktdamaltor: thanks, I do appreciate that19:24
jktin fact, I probably failed to add a proper attribution in there19:24
jkt(a git log doesn't count, I guess)19:24
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admiral0hi, please vote for this
_MeeGoBot_Bug 584 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, Add API to add custom pages to meegotouchhome19:35
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damaltorhi, please vote for this also: :)19:50
_MeeGoBot_Bug 668 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, NEW, Add a PERSISTING filter for the contacts app, to let the user select if he wants to see skype/icq/..19:50
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admiral0damaltor: voted, now i expect the same19:56
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damaltoralready done20:02
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GeneralAntillesI can't believe the Linux crowd is so heavily behind Android.20:57
SqRt7744i don't think they are.20:58
admiral0well, there are little alternatives that have actual devices20:59
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admiral0look at meego/harmattan20:59
SqRt7744that's true, but that's not the fault of the community20:59
GeneralAntillesIt really pissed me off that Zemlin's keynote at the last MeeGo Conf was mostly about Android.20:59
admiral0nice UI, but closed and customiseable as a brick20:59
admiral0and nokia doesn't care21:00
admiral0they've already jumped on wp bandwagon21:00
* admiral0 is so sad21:00
SqRt7744of course nokia doesn't care. f**k everything about nokia, except for the N9* phones.21:00
admiral0they do not care21:01
admiral0i receved a mail from meego chief architect today21:01
admiral0i proposed to do stuff for them for free21:01
SqRt7744what did he say?21:01
admiral0under NDA21:01
admiral0with any license they want21:01
admiral0for solving bug 58421:02
_MeeGoBot_Bug enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, Add API to add custom pages to meegotouchhome21:02
itsnotabigtrucklet me guess, the udidn't bite21:02
itsnotabigtrucks/ u/y /21:02
infobotitsnotabigtruck meant: let me guess, they didn't bite21:02
admiral0platform security blabla, can't talk blabla, wouldn't solve blabla21:02
SqRt7744...which remind me, any way to add the date to the screensaver?21:02
SqRt7744(on the n9/n950)21:03
admiral0SqRt7744: it's closed afaik so no way yet21:03
SqRt7744admiral0, well, I did manage to change the color to red, I just have to remember what file I edited.21:03
fralsSqRt7744: you can change the format of the time so it includes date as well, but you would probably have to tweak the font size as well ;)21:05
fralsSqRt7744: its sysuid.css or similar, should be obvious if you understand css21:06
fralsadmiral0: what was the name of the chief architect?21:06
SqRt7744frals, yeah, you don't remember what file I should be looking at do you?21:06
fralsSqRt7744: pretty sure its sysuid.css or systemuid.css21:07
frals/usr/share/themes/(blanco|base)/meegotouch/sysuid/ or so21:07
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damaltori know a way to add the date to the lockscreen21:17
damaltorbut not for normal users :D21:17
damaltormy lockscreen presents me random quotes from a database file below the clock21:17
damaltorthe date should be possible easily too21:17
fralsi guess it involves the operatorlogo?21:19
damaltorin short: a shell script wich runs a python script periodically, which is picking a quote from a file, converting the text to an image, copying this image into my home folder, and then telling gconf that this image is his the operator logo, wich then will be shown on the lock screen.21:19
nix-cyrusdate? what about new messages(sms,email)?21:19
mgedmindamaltor, that is kind of cool!21:19
fralsnew messages are there by default21:19
damaltori guess we could pack anything into that shell script, which can be found out on the console21:19
damaltorbattery state for example is easy21:19
damaltoror, changing the color (!) of the date, depending on battery state21:20
nix-cyrusoh it will be cool21:20
damaltorread through this thread here, there is everything you need to know:
* mgedmin wants LPMCustomizer (sp?) to be able to render a text message21:21
SpeedEvilI don't suppose it alo allows animations?21:21
SpeedEvilFor example, feed it a mng21:21
damaltorthe script is not made by me, i only modified it to my needs21:21
* mgedmin overcomes his general hate of web forums and goes to read the thread21:21
fralsmgedmin: a specific text message or rotating one? ive been playing with the idea to rotate logos and stuff, but work schedule atm is a bit hectic (ie dont feel like coding when i get home)21:22
damaltorSpeedEvil: the graphc must be a png, and reloading it takes about a blink of an eye. so i guess you could make an animation with reconfiguring gconf every few milliseconds21:22
mgedminfrals, a text box for me to type in a message21:22
damaltormgedmin: you can use python to render a text message21:22
fralsthe image can be pretty much anything qpixmap eats according to experiments21:22
mgedminincidentally, how do you input ♥ via the n9's vkb?21:22
admiral0mgedmin: you <321:22
mgedminI'd choose battery life over animations21:23
* mgedmin looks at the .zip links in the thread and sighs21:23
damaltorbut be warned, there are only8 colors. 000000,0000ff,00ff00,00ffff,ff0000,ff00ff,ffff00,ffffff21:23
mgedminwhy don't people use github?21:23
* mgedmin looooves web-browseable sources21:24
fralsmgedmin: patches welcome for lpmcustomizer btw; ;-)21:24
damaltorlook into the source of that python script to see how that text-to-image thing is made. in that way, one could also use some console commands combined with grep and awk to extract the useful info, and convert that into an image instead of a quote21:25
* mgedmin now needs to find a different excuse for being lazy21:25
mgedminactually I'm supposed to be working right now21:25
damaltorme too...21:25
fralswork is usually a good excuse ^^21:25
fralseven works when you are working21:26
damaltorcompiling what?21:27
mgedminSOPA, apparently:
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SqRt7744ok, I just noticed that /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/libsysuid-screenlock-nokia/style/libsysuid-screenlock-nokia.css hast a "LockScreen DateStyle" section, with an empty date-format. The time format contains "%R". Any suggestions what would work for date-format? Perhaps "%dd.MM.yy" ??21:41
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mgedminSqRt7744, try %d.%m.%Y21:50
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mgedminit looks like pure strftime(3) -- %R is "The time in 24-hour notation (%H:%M)."21:51
SqRt7744mgedmin, actually it's not what i want, it's not for the low power mode, just the regular lockscreen21:51
mgedmin has all those %s21:51
SqRt7744mgedmin, cool, thanks21:52
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SqRt7744ok cool, it works well by changing the time-format for the lowpower mode to "%R %d" with no font size mods. It gives the the clock in 24hr + the day of the month (which is all I need)22:00
mgedminwhich file is that?22:01
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nix-cyruswhat is lowpower mode?22:02
mgedminsame css file for the standby screen and for the lock screen?22:02
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damaltorwow. this is one of the most important hacks i can think of :O22:06
damaltori was searching for that long time22:07
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SqRt7744damaltor, I changed the clock color to red, seems more natural to me.22:09
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damaltori did that too because the white is so bright.22:09
damaltori am now back to white though22:10
SqRt7744why's that?22:10
damaltordunno... red lokked so... cheap?22:10
damaltorreally cant tell, just thought that white is better in the end22:11
nix-cyrusso what is lowpower mode??22:12
DocScrutinizerAccuWeather is so :-X... e.g: "kph", WTF is that? Guessed it? km/h22:14
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SpeedEvilkph is a stadard acronym22:16
DocScrutinizerforecast has 14 days scrollable in a scrollarea large enough to hold 3 days. Yet all you see is day of week, so you're completely lost on whether you're on next week or the week after next22:16
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: where? in England?22:16
DocScrutinizeryeah, they got this together with the Euro I guess ;-P22:17
DocScrutinizernever seen kph *anywhere* in Europe22:17
DocScrutinizeradmittedly I've never been on the island22:18
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DocScrutinizerkmh is a garbled but usual "unit"22:19
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mgedminnix-cyrus, I think it's what Nokia calls the standby screen22:21
mgedminwhat the N9 shows while it is locked22:21
DocScrutinizeractually 'p' instead of '/' is never used on the continent22:22
mgedmindamaltor, actually I'd prefer to see the date somewhere in the status bar (at least after tapping and expanding it)22:22
mgedminit feels silly that I have to lock my phone just to look at the date22:22
nix-cyrusoh..ok) I thought it is something like low-power mode that turning off some daemons and systems)22:23
mgedminnix-cyrus, yeah, I'm just guessing from context22:23
mgedminbesides, there is a power savings mode which is something completely different22:23
DrGrovDamn this protective cover condom coming with the N922:31
DrGrovIt feels like it is making some noise, a weird cracking noise around the power button when I squeeze it just a bit.22:32
DrGrovThen I remove the cover but the damn phone also makes a bit of noise when I squeeze it over the side of the power button22:32
DrGrovShould this be even normal FFS?22:32
damaltorof all my phones i had, the n9 is the first phone which doesnt make a single nois AT ALL, with or without condom22:34
damaltormgedmin: i never thought about that. but you are damn right22:34
M4rtinKthp: ping :)22:38
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DrGrovIt does not make a noise if I do not squeeze it a bit tighter22:43
DrGrovBut apparently that is normal, at least there is no sign that the N9 has been physically raped in any way22:44
DrGrovSo a normal hold of the phone does not make any noise. I just had to check with you guys that is that type of noise normal since it feels like a squeezing noise after I hold it tighter?22:45
DrGrovOr has it been violated in an unproper way? :D22:46
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DrGrovNah, does not matter. The phone is fine since there is no marks on it.22:48
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DrGrovI am just overacting again22:49
DrGrovPerhaps it is my quest for perfection that always makes me nervous22:49
SqRt7744anyone know what createApplication does? as in: QScopedPointer<QApplication> app(createApplication(argc, argv));   .it's in the main.cpp of any autogenerated qml app for harmattan22:55
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SqRt7744well, it returns a QApplication pointer, but the trouble is the app I'm trying to port has derived QApplication, so I can't use it...22:56
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jonniYou can just replace the autogenerated lines and use QApplication instead. QScoperPointer is only needed if you want to use the application startup booster.22:59
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itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: have you looked at the calendar icon after you unlock23:04
mgedminno, why?23:04
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: it changes23:04
itsnotabigtruckalso i'm such a reddit addict23:05
mgedminyou have that hack then?23:05
itsnotabigtruckkeep going back there only to realize it's still on sopa shutdown23:05
mgedminthp wrote a cron script to change the .desktop file every day, iirc23:05
mgedminthat changes the icon23:05
mgedminI haven't installed that hack23:05
itsnotabigtruckwhoops, it actually doesn't update, because i haven't installed the hack23:05
itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure why i thought it did23:05
itsnotabigtruckmaybe i will now23:05
mgedmin(was it thp or someone else? aaaugh my memory is full of holes and uncertainty)23:05
itsnotabigtruckthp, yeah23:06
itsnotabigtruckhas anyone packaged it?23:06
mgedminthe n9 got me hooked on twitter :(23:06
mgedminnow I must check the stream every few hours or it'll overwhelm me23:07
SqRt7744jonni, thanks. Application startup booster sounds good though :-)23:07
itsnotabigtruck is this the legit stuff23:09
mgedminfeels weird to retweet frals quoting me on IRC :)23:09
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jonniSqRt7744: you only gain about 200-500ms in startup times by using it. Basicly booster just pre-launches a QApplication process to certain point and suspends into waiting state, and then application is sterted from grid, the booster (invoker), resumes the suspended process, changes the prepopukated process ownership to your process, and continues to execute your app. So your app starts a bit faster, since QApp and QDeclarativeView was23:11
jonnialready created before you start the app.23:11
jonnidont mind the typoes in the text, crosseyes :)23:12
itsnotabigtruck here's pam's deb package, already in the ovi store23:14
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itsnotabigtruck(also, this sort of thing is exactly why aegis = lol)23:15
SqRt7744jonni, ok, but still, when I want to know something, i want to know it really fast. I'm working on evopedia. I suspect that my "workaround" has actually no net benefit though, since I have to launch an EvopediaApplication, which is derived from QApplication23:15
SqRt7744i'm doing it thusly: EvopediaApplication evoapp(argc,argv);    QScopedPointer<EvopediaApplication> app(&evoapp);23:16
itsnotabigtruckbtw has anyone had any trouble with IPv6 turned on23:16
itsnotabigtrucke.g. non-IPv6 aware apps23:16
itsnotabigtrucki got on a wifi network with native ipv6 and worked fine23:16
itsnotabigtruckwhoops, it's actually http://test-ipv6.com23:17
jonniSqRt7744: most likely using qscopedpointer in that actually makes the startup slower than just using QApp23:17
* mgedmin hatesssss ovi store hatessss it23:18
SqRt7744itsnotabigtruck, sorry can't help you there, but you reminded me of biggest network realted problem with harmattan: no avahi. It can't resolve .local addresses mdns or whathaveyou. You wouldn't know how to get .local resolutions working would you?23:18
jonniSqRt7744: but that is just my quess, I havent done any lauterbach traces lately and havent tested to use any other class as scoper pointer.23:18
itsnotabigtruckSqRt7744: are you sure you need mdns in the first place?23:18
SqRt7744jonni, alright, I'll drop it. I'd rather just have the program working, which it currently isn't.23:19
itsnotabigtrucka lot of nat routers can do things like create DNS entries for dhcp reservations23:19
itsnotabigtruckallowing you to e.g. name your printer printer.sqrt.local or whathaveyou23:19
SqRt7744itsnotabigtruck, yeah, I'm pretty sure. It works on the n900 and all my laptop on the same lan, but the N9 just can't figure it out.23:19
SqRt7744so I don't think the router is  the problem.23:20
itsnotabigtruckalso, i installed pam's package but it hasn't taken effect yet, even after a reboot23:20
jonnijust add priner.sqrt.local to etc/hosts?23:20
itsnotabigtruckSqRt7744: i said 'are you sure you need', the answer is normally no23:20
itsnotabigtruckmdns is an overly complex hack that isn't really appropriate for anyone who belongs in this channel :p23:21
SqRt7744itsnotabigtruck, ok, sorry, not an expert here by any means.23:21
mgedminSqRt7744, I think my N9 calls itself 'RM680' when it speaks to the DHCP server23:21
mgedminI wish I had avahi on my N923:21
mgedminbut I've just created a static mapping with a name in my router at home and at work, so I can ssh mg-n9.lan23:21
mgedminI used avahi on the n900, and it ... sometimes worked23:22
mgedminokay, okay, _usually_ worked23:22
SqRt7744mgedmin, I don't want static mapping bcs there are too many computers on the lan which get their ip's dynamically23:22
itsnotabigtruckthat's weird since the N9 is rm-69623:22
itsnotabigtruckand my n9's hostname is rm69623:23
itsnotabigtruckwtf is rm-680, anyway23:23
Mekrm680 is n950 I thought23:23
SqRt7744the hostname is still largely useless without avahi as far as i'm concerned23:24
itsnotabigtruckis there any harm to changing the hostname?23:24
SqRt7744itsnotabigtruck, i doubt it23:26
SqRt7744i changed mine to borked23:27
mgedminre the rm680 -- I covered my backside by adding "I think" :-)23:29
ieatlintyes, rm680 is the n950, rm696 is the n923:30
ieatlintjust try and figure out what rm690 is :P23:30
marsjebeta version of the n9?23:31
marsjeand someone forgot to change that string somewhere in the config?23:32
ieatlintnot exactly, but if you look at a harmattan image (eg, the OCF for the n950), you'll find references to the rm-69023:32
SqRt7744what the heck, why doesn't harmattan have avahi? Has anyone tried installing the maemo5 deb? It might work...23:32
ieatlinti've really no idea wtf it is though23:32
mgedminSqRt7744, ha ha I bet it won't23:33
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mgedminotoh rebuilding the maemo5 deb in a harmattan scratchbox shouldn't be too difficult23:34
mgedminalso, the old /etc/event/ upstart script needs to be upgraded to the new syntax and moved to /etc/init/23:34
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SqRt7744btw, has anyone found a good mpd client yet? I found one, but it is awful, half the buttons are off the screen.23:48
SqRt7744...and there is no source available, otherwise I wouldn't be complaining.23:48
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mgedminSqRt7744, I have something called 'MPD Remote', but since I don't have any mpd servers around, I can't even see what its UI looks like23:50
mgedminthe icon looks reasonably pretty23:50
mgedmin(sound hardware died on the laptop that was our mpd server at work; I never managed to make mpd and pulseaudio coexist on my HMPC laptop at home)23:51
SqRt7744mgedmin, yeah, that's the one I have to, but it is bad, really bad. When the music is playing, half the buttons (i.e. ff/skip) are off the screen, and there is no landscape mode23:52
mgedmin(correction: never managed to make mpd and an interactive X session coexist and share the same audio device nicely)23:52
mgedminwell, that sucks23:52
mgedminis it open source?23:52
SqRt7744no, that is exactly the problem.23:52
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SqRt7744i think the developer isn't agaist open sourcing it, he just attaches zero importance to it, doesn't even host it anywhere23:53
mgedminthere are closed-source mpd remotes?23:53
* mgedmin thought only open source freaks cared about mpd23:53
SqRt7744i found his own personal blog or webpage, he mentions that he wrote the POS once, no links or anything. I have exhaustively search the 'net, and even sent him an email (i think)23:53
SqRt7744mgedmin, like I said, he isn't trying to make money off it or anything, I think it was a weekend project that he just didn't care much about.23:55
mgedminso there should be no objections to publishing the sources somewhere23:55
mgedmin(assuming they aren't lost)23:55
SqRt7744no, but you have to motivate him to actually take a second look at it...23:56
SqRt7744I'm a bit cheesed at the whole situation, especially considering how awesome the android client is23:57
SqRt7744but, once i get evopedia working, the phone will be way more useful to me.23:57
SqRt7744mpd is further down the priority list23:58
mgedminI'm still without a password manager23:59

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