| merlin1991 | hm though I do have my n9 back it's ackting bad, store claims I not have enough free space to even install a single wallpaper | 00:03 |
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| merlin1991 | but I jsut got it back reflashed | 00:03 |
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| merlin1991 | LOL | 00:05 |
| merlin1991 | /home/user/MyDocs is fsckd | 00:05 |
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| merlin1991 | neither /dev/mmcblk0p3 nor /dev/mmcblk0p1 is mounted | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | lulz | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | and ofc I can't mount it myself | 00:11 |
| merlin1991 | yay | 00:11 |
| merlin1991 | back to nokia care tomorrow, yay | 00:13 |
| marsje | merlin1991: what did you do? | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | send it to care due to broken battery | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | got it back with new battery, boot up and experience weird errors | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | enabe dev mode to start finding out, relize only rootfs is mounted | 00:15 |
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| marsje | ah | 00:19 |
| marsje | strange | 00:19 |
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| admiral0 | anyone knows soap here? | 00:25 |
| admiral0 | i have no idea of what i'm doing lol | 00:25 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: why don't you wipe the phone before bringing it back | 00:28 |
| merlin1991 | huh? | 00:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | using flasher 3.12.1 or whatever it is | 00:28 |
| merlin1991 | well I did try reflashing to no avail | 00:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since you got it back? that sounds like it ought to be a software problem... | 00:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or maybe see if there's anything mysterious in the logs? | 00:29 |
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| merlin1991 | currently checking logs | 00:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhZUXhf71oU | 00:30 |
| piggz | admiral0: sort of... | 00:32 |
| admiral0 | piggz: navifirm uses soap | 00:32 |
| admiral0 | piggz: pvt | 00:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: what are you working on? | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | navifirm (the original 0.1 version) is my app so i might be able to help | 00:36 |
| admiral0 | itsnotabigtruck: i want to do a quick perl script for linux n9 users to download firmware | 00:37 |
| merlin1991 | hm mkfs.ext4 /dev/mmcp0p3 && mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcp0p1 fixed it | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: you must erase flash before you can write new data to it | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki flash (storage) | 00:39 |
| infobot | I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=flash+(storage)&go=Go | 00:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: ah. well, since it's perl i'm sure there's a zillion SOAP libraries for it, just make sure you get the authentication token 1st | 00:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: well, you know what i mean | 00:40 |
| marsje | merlin1991: you could format as devel-su? | 00:41 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | though actually you're right - the controller in eMMC should deal with that | 00:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and rewrite = erase/write is usually hidden from the user anyway | 00:41 |
| merlin1991 | but I couldn't mount in devel-su though a reboot took care of that | 00:41 |
| piggz | later... | 00:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess the mkfs alike creation of "new content" is mostly a sparse write, so to reset and not leave ghost data in "free" blocks they first do a wipe | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe the erase it actually only for NAND where it's absolutely mandatory | 00:44 |
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| merlin1991 | I really wonder WHY i had no proper fs on those partitions | 00:46 |
| merlin1991 | fsck complained about bad superblocks | 00:46 |
| merlin1991 | so I did mkfs and magically everything works again | 00:46 |
| merlin1991 | is there anything fdisk alike on the n9? | 00:46 |
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| merlin1991 | hm flashed the openmode kernel and found no problems with fb so far | 01:24 |
| merlin1991 | pw is stored persistent even over reboot | 01:24 |
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| merlin1991 | well seems like aegifs behaves nicely if you erase all userdata prior to going open mode | 01:42 |
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| marsje | merlin1991: I'm thinking about going open mode, but I don't dare yet | 01:51 |
| marsje | keep on posting your experiences here | 01:51 |
| merlin1991 | well next thing I'll try is flashing back stock image and checking if the bsw is gone after that | 01:52 |
| marsje | bsw? | 01:52 |
| merlin1991 | big scary warning (looks like this: http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/derjizm/n900/DSC02121.jpg) | 01:52 |
| marsje | ah yes | 01:53 |
| marsje | looks scary indeed | 01:53 |
| marsje | I agree with it, except the permanently voiding warranty | 01:54 |
| merlin1991 | well it's fud about the warranty void | 01:54 |
| marsje | probably | 01:54 |
| marsje | it's not nice to put fud there | 01:54 |
| merlin1991 | I can understand that they aren't responsible for stupid stuff you do, but warranty void can only be if you do stuff like oc | 01:54 |
| marsje | exactly | 01:55 |
| marsje | or drop your phone in the toilett | 01:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | does this channel have a tell command | 01:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ~help | 01:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ~tell admiral0 close, the JSESSIONID is a soap parameter, not a querystring parameter | 01:56 |
| marsje | !tell !help | 01:56 |
| marsje | anyway | 01:56 |
| marsje | bed time.. | 01:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, infobot doesn't feel like accepting my ~tell | 01:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | later marsje! | 01:56 |
| marsje | later! | 01:56 |
| merlin1991 | I love the gerneric "erasing this my take while" from flasher :P | 01:56 |
| merlin1991 | later | 01:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ~tell admiral0 -about close, the JSESSIONID is a soap parameter, not a querystring parameter | 01:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | oh, apparently ~tell is for passively aggressively sending people canned messages, not a traditional tell command | 01:57 |
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| merlin1991 | flashing back firmware removes bsw | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | :) | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | time to get the bsw back | 02:14 |
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| merlin1991 | the bsw is awesome :) | 02:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: bsw? | 02:15 |
| merlin1991 | ffs | 02:15 |
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| merlin1991 | 28 lines up | 02:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, that bsw | 02:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | erm, so you reflashed the firmware, rebooted the phone, and are now going to install the OM kernel? | 02:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't do that | 02:17 |
| merlin1991 | oh I'm so going todo that | 02:17 |
| merlin1991 | and why not? | 02:17 |
| merlin1991 | also I just did | 02:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can't boot the reflashed firmware before installing the OM kernel | 02:17 |
| merlin1991 | why? | 02:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or you'll generate aegisfs protected storage files encrypted with the secure mode encryption key | 02:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the open mode encryption key is loaded during an open mode boot | 02:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that will fuck up anything that uses aegisfs | 02:18 |
| merlin1991 | yep, but said files only get created if you fire up apps that use said files | 02:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i thought they got created on 1st boot | 02:18 |
| merlin1991 | nah | 02:18 |
| merlin1991 | seems like they don't | 02:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also if you completed a boot i'd imagine *something* would create some protected storage files | 02:19 |
| merlin1991 | since it works just fine | 02:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | certmgr maybe | 02:19 |
| merlin1991 | maybe certmgr /me checks | 02:19 |
| merlin1991 | nope ssl certed webpages work just fine | 02:22 |
| merlin1991 | though when flashing the kernel it flashed the image "cert-sw" and "kernel" | 02:22 |
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| jonni | merlin1991: there are some files generated on 1st boot, so you get better working OM if you dont boot to secure mode. | 07:33 |
| jonni | merlin1991: and you asked about fdisk, there is sfdisk in N9. | 07:34 |
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| merlin1991 | thanks | 07:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 08:02 |
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| thp | X-Fade: (why) is apps.formeego.org down? :/ | 09:38 |
| RST38h | thp: Why do you want it up? Last time I checked, there were a total of 5 apps there | 09:48 |
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| thp | RST38h: because i try to have all my oss apps there, and if people can't download them from there, that's not a good thing ;) | 10:10 |
| RST38h | thp: I suggest rm_you's repo instead. | 10:11 |
| thp | linky? | 10:11 |
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| MohammadAG | What prevents from setting up harmattan-devel on extras | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | moo | 10:17 |
| MohammadAG | Err, on Maemo.org | 10:17 |
| MohammadAG | Moo | 10:17 |
| MohammadAG | We can write our own app manager | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maemo.org is more dead than alive | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this might change with 'meego' migration to maemo.org infra though | 10:19 |
| thp | MohammadAG: afaiui, apps.formeego.org (and the COBS?) already run on maemo.org hardware, and with the upcoming demise of the meego.com domain, at least the obs + forum will be somewhere under maemo.org | 10:21 |
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| MohammadAG | thp: I meant through the same extras interface | 10:32 |
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| MohammadAG | With dput and all, it worked for maemo | 10:32 |
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| thp | oh yeah, i liked that too. but apparently there's an obs command line client (obc?) but i only tried it once in 2009 ;) | 10:39 |
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| MohammadAG | Thp yeah, but I still preferred extras | 10:44 |
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| MohammadAG | Heya stroughtonsmith, nice to see you on #harmattan | 10:45 |
| stroughtonsmith | I'm here often enough :-) | 10:45 |
| stroughtonsmith | and #nemomobile. Since i'm oldschool | 10:46 |
| RST38h | Moo, Mohammad | 10:46 |
| MohammadAG | stroughtonsmith: I'm still on #maemo, beat that! :p | 10:46 |
| MohammadAG | Moo RST38h | 10:47 |
| stroughtonsmith | haha | 10:47 |
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| thp | RST38h: so where can i find rm_you's repo? | 10:48 |
| RST38h | a moment | 10:49 |
| RST38h | thp: http://sheeplauncher.net/debs/ | 10:49 |
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| thp | RST38h: nice :) is there a client app for it? i see it has a Packages.gz, so it's at least possible to apt-get stuff from it i assume | 11:10 |
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| MohammadAG | We need a proper apt app manager | 11:14 |
| stroughtonsmith | Cydia for Harmattan :P | 11:16 |
| stroughtonsmith | one of the Cydia devs has an N9 | 11:17 |
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| petteri | i think the current community efforts around N9 are confusing. Why not get some domain (like harmattan.org), build app manager for it and put the all the community apps there. If appsformeego is trying to do the same thing at least the front page with with all the different devices etc. is not "working" for me | 11:22 |
| MohammadAG | stroughtonsmith: I kinda prefer how cydia implemented apt | 11:23 |
| MohammadAG | Compared with apps like fapman which called /usr/bin/apt | 11:24 |
| MohammadAG | Err, apt-get | 11:24 |
| stroughtonsmith | right, you kinda want something integrated and nice | 11:24 |
| RST38h | thp: Nah, there is no client app, but it is perfectly apt-gettable | 11:39 |
| RST38h | thp: In fact, I am not quite sure why appsformeego client app only works with appsformeego | 11:40 |
| rZr | that one is opensource isnt it ? | 11:40 |
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| Coke | Hello. Is it possible to make the N9 behave like the N900 ? | 11:57 |
| Coke | I want a terminal, trying to switch to developer-mode as suggested requests an install which fails because it is "interrupted" | 11:57 |
| Coke | thusly, I cannot install anything and I cannot get a terminal. | 11:57 |
| Corsac | (you'll have to provide more information on the “interrupted” part because that's the correct way to do it | 11:58 |
| Corsac | and it works for other people so something fishy happened | 11:59 |
| Coke | what more information do you want? that's all im getting | 11:59 |
| Coke | enable developer mode? OK | 11:59 |
| Coke | Dependencies notice (to complete installation blah blah) Accept | 11:59 |
| Corsac | (might be worth taking a picture of the screen too) | 11:59 |
| Coke | Installation failed deveoper-mode, installation interrupted. Try again (or cancel) | 11:59 |
| Coke | no | 11:59 |
| Coke | thats all the text there is | 11:59 |
| Coke | "Installation failed, developer-mode, installation interrupted Try Again / Cancel" | 12:00 |
| Corsac | well, it'd still help | 12:00 |
| Corsac | you do have network connection when doing that? | 12:00 |
| Coke | yep | 12:00 |
| Coke | i can google | 12:00 |
| Coke | and theres a wifi icon at the top | 12:00 |
| Coke | the n9 doesnt make sense at all, no radio transmitter, no keyboard and useful things like terminal doesnt come as standard app. | 12:02 |
| Corsac | I just tried to install one of the developer mode tools and it did worked, so that looks like a network issue between you and the repository | 12:02 |
| Coke | the n900 kicks it's ass | 12:02 |
| Corsac | did someone force you to buy the N9? | 12:02 |
| Coke | i thought it'd be an upgrade. | 12:02 |
| Coke | also, ive had my trust 900 for some time, the screen is starting to fail | 12:02 |
| Corsac | you could have informed yourself before | 12:02 |
| Coke | i looked for a replacement n900, but needless to say, vendors dont sell em no more | 12:02 |
| Coke | Corsac: sure. I thought the new os would make up for the lack of hw. | 12:03 |
| jani | http://bit.ly/zPomm1 <- anyone seen this sort of error with cobs ? | 12:03 |
| jani | everything goes fine until this: | 12:04 |
| jani | flightoggle_0.9.1_armel.deb | 12:04 |
| jani | flightoggle_0.9.1_armel.deb: arch is empty | 12:04 |
| Coke | what a dud. | 12:05 |
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| jani | coke: i've installed dev-mode once on my device, i had similar issues but after few re-tries it went on fine .. | 12:08 |
| petteri | Coke: remember reading that someone could not install develpor mode with wifi, maybe try with 3g | 12:09 |
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| kevin_b | yea me | 12:26 |
| kevin_b | Though I don't remember this occured with 1.1 | 12:27 |
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| mwrf | jonni, saw your suggestion re: date and time to get by "installation interrupted" | 12:34 |
| mwrf | when enabling developer mode | 12:34 |
| mwrf | didn't work unfortunately | 12:34 |
| mwrf | I'm going flash it now. | 12:35 |
| mwrf | A warm flash, setting the time correctly resolved that. | 12:50 |
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| DrGrov | Good evening | 13:01 |
| DrGrov | I wonder what happened on my N9. I plugged in the charger and just took it out within a few seconds. The pop-up window let me know that "your USB-charger is not working. Please contact Nokia Care bla bla bla bla..." | 13:02 |
| DrGrov | Then I plugged it back in and did the same thing and no errors what so ever. | 13:02 |
| DrGrov | WTF was that all about? Anyone else got the same issue? | 13:03 |
| DrGrov | Could it actually be so that my charger actually has some issue? | 13:03 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc. You probably got some clue about WTF happened with that charger thing? | 13:05 |
| DrGrov | But it does seem that the charger is working properly after that and no errors appearing once I plugged it back in after repeated testing. | 13:06 |
| jani | seen the same thing, i'd say that pm gets a notification that device is plugged to charger but before the unplugging notification is received, it checks if it can really charge anything and since it is not able to as charger is already unplugged, it will send you this message .. | 13:07 |
| jani | pm == power management .. | 13:08 |
| jani | personal opinion: its a feature, not a bug or hardware issue. | 13:08 |
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| DrGrov | jani: So apparently I just plugged it out too fast after the charging notification appeared? | 13:10 |
| DrGrov | jani: But apparently it did not happen afterwards because I waited about 1-2 seconds when getting the "Charging.." notification and unplugged and it just told me that I should really unplug it from the wall socket before I unplug it from the phone. | 13:11 |
| DrGrov | jani: Have you experienced any problems with your charger after getting that message? | 13:15 |
| jani | DrGrov: nope. and i've seen the message multiple times. | 13:20 |
| DrGrov | jani: Good to hear. Thanks for clearing that up for me :) I just did the plugging - unplugging in a hurry and that is why I got surprised | 13:20 |
| jani | only issue i had the the charger was that when a hit my backpack on the bus to the side wall, a beer can in the same compartment as charger started to drip and totally soaked the charger. And after that it did not work :D | 13:22 |
| DrGrov | jani: Okay, so only issue with the charger has been selfcaused :D | 13:22 |
| jani | but in this case, im 99.99% that this is a bad design in the pm side that it sends the notification to the user without checking of charger is already unplugged. | 13:22 |
| jani | DrGrov: yes indeed. | 13:23 |
| DrGrov | jani: Ok, but luckily there is then no serious harm in getting that notification which is good. | 13:23 |
| DrGrov | jani: Good that you cleared it up for me how it actually works because I was so surprised about the message. | 13:24 |
| DrGrov | I wonder though why my battery is running out so fast though. Perhaps having an automatic data connection on all the time is causing that draining? | 13:25 |
| DrGrov | It lasts easily 1 full day but barely 2 as it seems. | 13:25 |
| Hq` | that sounds quite normal | 13:28 |
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| jani | yeah, thats quote normal for me too .. | 13:41 |
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| vladest | any news regarding PR1.2 on n950? | 14:11 |
| jonni | you mean PR1.2 _beta_ for N950, no new news other than that old blog post few days ago. | 14:14 |
| vladest | ok, 10x | 14:15 |
| DrGrov | Sorry for asking yet another idiotic question. | 14:21 |
| DrGrov | When I am charging the N9, does it automatically stop to charge the battery once it is full? Or do I need do quite fast remove the charger so I do not harm the battery? | 14:22 |
| nix-cyrus | DrGrov: I hope N9 quite smart to stop charging when it is necessary | 14:26 |
| DrGrov | nix-cyrus: Ok. I wondered since if I leave it on during day/night to charge and just sleep or do something else that it does not harm the battery. | 14:26 |
| DrGrov | nix-cyrus: Sort of if I forget that it is charging :D | 14:27 |
| deram | I've seen something like 95% charged capasity after very long charging, so I suspect it stops charging when 100% and restarts charging at somewhere like 90% | 14:28 |
| DrGrov | deram: Ok, so then it does work as it should. Probably should not drop too fast after 8h or so of sleep. But thanks for clearing it up. So it is safe then to leave charging for ex. over night so it is ready for morning. | 14:28 |
| deram | That is how I use my phone always | 14:29 |
| DrGrov | Is there any way to get % to show up with the battery? Now it is difficult to judge the phone and its battery. | 14:29 |
| DrGrov | deram: So you wait until night before you charge it and it works well like that without problems of over charging? | 14:30 |
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| Hq` | install "battery usage" application from store | 14:30 |
| deram | Battery Usage application in ovi store show everything you need to know about the battery status | 14:30 |
| DrGrov | Ok, I will try to get that from the store then. I would like to monitor the battery a few days to see what is actally doing what. Thanks for the tip :) | 14:31 |
| petteri | i tought the battery usage will drain the battery really fast | 14:31 |
| petteri | battery usage app :) | 14:31 |
| DrGrov | Ok, so it is better to not use battery usage app then even for monitoring quickly what is happening? Ok. I will leave it be then | 14:32 |
| deram | DrGrov: If at night the battery is below 60% I put it to charger and unplug it when I need it the next morning... some times it stays couple of nights straight in charger.. | 14:32 |
| DrGrov | deram: Aha, so you keep it that long even continously charging and no problems? | 14:32 |
| DrGrov | So it seems like I have been thinking wrong then about this whole overcharging the battery thingie. | 14:33 |
| DrGrov | I was seriously afraid of overcharging the battery and causing harm | 14:33 |
| deram | DrGrov: haven't seen any problems, and I bought the phone when it was first sold | 14:33 |
| DrGrov | Ok thanks for giving me a piece of mind deram :) | 14:33 |
| deram | petteri: I just checked and 9mA idle usage with batery monitor installed | 14:34 |
| deram | "discharged from 96% to 70% in 1 days" | 14:35 |
| DrGrov | So now when I have the phone charging and it is almost ready I do not need to unplug it right away? I can leave until before I go to sleep | 14:35 |
| Hq` | petteri: any data to back up that claim? :) | 14:35 |
| petteri | Hq`: no just read from tmo and finnish forums, probably not true | 14:35 |
| DrGrov | I suspect that my battery is not really fully charged when it is 100% since I have not done more than 2-3 full charges yet. | 14:35 |
| DrGrov | That is why it runs out during 1 day, almost during 1 day. | 14:36 |
| DrGrov | So now when I have the phone charging and it is almost ready I do not need to unplug it right away? I can leave until before I go to sleep in the charger or at least a few hours? | 14:37 |
| deram | at least for Li-ion batteries the worst you can do is leave them empty for some time.. I suspect this also is the case for LiPo battery used | 14:37 |
| DrGrov | Well, so I can leave it still in the charger now when it is fully charged? | 14:38 |
| DrGrov | That is what you mean deram ? | 14:38 |
| Hq` | don't worry about overcharging, the device won't let you do it | 14:38 |
| DrGrov | Hq`: So you mean it is safe now to leave it in the charger once it is fully charged and just remove the charger when I need the phone next time? | 14:38 |
| Hq` | yes | 14:38 |
| DrGrov | Hq`: Thanks :) | 14:38 |
| * DrGrov hugs Hq` for the comforting answer :) | 14:39 | |
| nix-cyrus | DrGrov: yes) it is exactly what they mean | 14:39 |
| petteri | it will stop chraching and and start again when the batter drops to some level | 14:39 |
| petteri | when it is connected | 14:39 |
| DrGrov | What if I do not need the phone in about 15h or so? Still no harm for the battery if it is in the charger all the time? | 14:40 |
| petteri | when connected it will stop charching when full and start again when it drops below 70% or something | 14:41 |
| DrGrov | Ok, I got it now. Thanks Hq` , deram , petteri and nix-cyrus for helping out | 14:42 |
| DrGrov | :) | 14:42 |
| nix-cyrus | petteri: so u think that 'battery usage' has power leaks? | 14:42 |
| petteri | nix-cyrus: not sure, hopefully not | 14:43 |
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| Richlv | argh. why does http://forum.meego.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=588&d=1325346943 require login ? | 15:36 |
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| tabasko | Richlv: because they dont want leeching bots downloading their stuffs | 16:08 |
| marsje | it is unbelievable how many websites there are that sit between the info you need and google | 16:12 |
| marsje | websites leeching forums and mailinglist archives | 16:13 |
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| marsje | and just displaying what is already on another website, minus formatting plus ads | 16:13 |
| marsje | blah | 16:13 |
| KRF | bigresource.com got quite annoying in the past months, imo. they have a pretty good page-rank it seems | 16:14 |
| KRF | and they really just add one level of indirection with no addititional information | 16:14 |
| KRF | annoying. | 16:14 |
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| marsje | there are only a few sites on internet to provide you with information and many that are just in between, hoping to get a good google rank and make money of ads | 16:18 |
| marsje | get a real job... | 16:19 |
| kevin_b | xD | 16:45 |
| kevin_b | Does porn industry provide real job?:D | 16:47 |
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| marsje | kevin_b: some would call it a hobby | 16:54 |
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| Richlv | tabasko, ah. but that's rather inconvenient for users :) | 17:08 |
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| Iktwo | Hi I'm trying to make an app like outgoing vibro for maemo, but I can't make phone vibrate with something like the example in http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/feedback.html but phone does not vibrate, anyone has done something using feedback ? | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: charger thing? | 17:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, more context | 17:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: race. charger detected, charger voltage probed ==0, error asserted, charger removal detected | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no-issue | 17:22 |
| kevin_b | Iktwo : you didnt tell aegis you want to make N9 vibrates brrrzzmmz ;D | 17:23 |
| kevin_b | or I dont know | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | afk for more coredump analyzing from our APE | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 17:23 |
| Iktwo | but If I didn't tell aegis it won't let my install my app or it installs fine but just don't work? | 17:25 |
| Iktwo | do I really need to ask for a token to use QtFeedback ? | 17:25 |
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| kevin_b | really dunno, harmattan dev's doc sum it up all | 17:27 |
| Iktwo | thanks kevin_b is there a way to know if my app needs a token? | 17:29 |
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| kevin_b | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Harmattan_APIs_that_require_credentials.html | 17:33 |
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| Iktwo | thanks but feedback it's not in "Qt Declarative modules that require security credentials" | 17:36 |
| kevin_b | So i'd say no | 17:37 |
| Iktwo | then I don't know what's wrong.. | 17:38 |
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| rafael2k | people, is usb hostmode working on harmattan? | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 18:12 |
| rafael2k | any hope? | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | It seems unclear as to how to make it work, and not require the user to do things which may pop up ominous warnings, or require tehm to do things which nokia claims voids the warranty. | 18:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: well, ignoring the BSW, is it doable? | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | in principle, yes. | 18:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think we're at the point where "rooting" is going to be necessary to do the coolest stuff, a la other phones | 18:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so the bsw is just going to have to be a cost of doing business | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | You can trun a foreign kernel on the n9, and the kernel and hardware seem quite capable of it. | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | A major issue is that - there re conflicting reports here - it may wipe all the users settings effectively. And make swapping between stock and hostmode kernels do the same. | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I may be confused on this - I've not been following it as much as I should. | 18:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: well, during the installation process, yeah. at least if you don't want stuff to break | 18:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that isn't that bad, tbh | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | The likelyhood developers will work on a problem depends on the number of users who are able to use it | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | If it seems unlikely that many users will go past the scary warnings, ... | 18:20 |
| rafael2k | Im already using openmode btw | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | rafael2k: aha! | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Am I spouting bullshit? | 18:20 |
| rafael2k | ehehehe | 18:21 |
| rafael2k | i just would like to have everything that was possible with the n900 back | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you clarify my above statements in any way? | 18:22 |
| rafael2k | now with squeeze in chroot im almost satisfied | 18:22 |
| rafael2k | : ) | 18:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rafael2k: is there *anything* that's broken | 18:23 |
| rafael2k | no | 18:23 |
| rafael2k | everything is working fine | 18:23 |
| rafael2k | just when I reboot, beyond the scary message, I have to write again the nokia login password | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | rafael2k: So there were no issues with accounts, or stuff stopping working on going openmode? | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | As I'd heard reports of that before. | 18:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i've heard conflicting reports but everything is from peoplewho haven't actually done it | 18:24 |
| rafael2k | Im using it for 1 week already, every day usage | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I was reporting on old reports by Jaceowski. | 18:25 |
| rafael2k | no issue at all | 18:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'll probably do mine when 1.2 comes out | 18:25 |
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| rafael2k | I now Im really root in the device... | 18:26 |
| rafael2k | btw, Im on N950, but I have a friend on N9 | 18:26 |
| rafael2k | all good | 18:26 |
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| rafael2k | concerting the account, Im using skype, jabber and msn, all good. | 18:29 |
| rafael2k | concerning... | 18:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw has anyone ported prboom to n9? :D | 18:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, a automatic rooter needs to be built if open mode is to catch on - how about "OneClickRoot" | 18:34 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: I did flash the openmode kernel to my n9 | 18:34 |
| merlin1991 | as long as you erase all user data whilst doing that everything works fine because the aegisfs works fine then | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: Did you try not erasing - rafael2k seems to say not. | 18:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://getrooted.org/ lmao | 18:35 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: not erasing results in the problems with accounts, ... | 18:36 |
| merlin1991 | simply anything you used that uses the aegisfs is then partly broken | 18:36 |
| merlin1991 | but as I understood it it should be possible to create a backup with the backup thingy, erase + flash to openmode and then play back the backup | 18:36 |
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| merlin1991 | gonna try that one day when the n9 has a lil bit more of test data | 18:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw i was asking about how one would go about resetting the lock password, the flasher documentation says --erase-user-data does that | 18:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (same thing you use to wipe the phone to clear the road for open mode) | 18:38 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | TMO could really use a section for harmattan apps | 18:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right now everything n9 related is dumped in one place | 18:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, any idea what's up with apps.formeego.org? it's still down | 18:44 |
| nix-cyrus | btw is openmode work on 16gb models? | 18:45 |
| nix-cyrus | itsnotabigtruck: about apps4meego - some kind of answer to SOPA :) | 18:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nix-cyrus: yup, and lol | 18:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | why wouldn't it? | 18:46 |
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| nix-cyrus | don't know.. I saw a theme at forum.. where man writing that it didn't work on his 16gb N9 | 18:47 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | nix-cyrus: oh, hrm. got a link? | 18:48 |
| nix-cyrus | itsnotabigtruck: it is russia-lang forum at meegos.ru | 18:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | nix-cyrus: link it anyway? google translate could save the day | 18:52 |
| * jkt has just published his first Ovi store item, http://store.ovi.com/content/245854 | 18:53 | |
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| kevin_b | Do you use Imaag.smooth = true ? or use an scaled instanced of the image file? | 19:01 |
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| damaltor | jkt: where did you get the image from? i found it quite a few times around the net, you sure it is not copyrighted? | 19:17 |
| damaltor | http://dunartiespa.com/New_bern_Makeup.html | 19:17 |
| nid0 | it is, but purchasable: http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-7913158-doll-applying-red-lipstick.php | 19:19 |
| jkt | damaltor: it's on flickr under an apropriate cc license | 19:21 |
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| gri | wow, quite expensive | 19:21 |
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| damaltor | jkt: oh great. dont misunderstand me, didnt want to offend you. i just thought i had seen that pic somewhere, and reverse image search found lots of copies | 19:23 |
| jkt | damaltor: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jerine/5966395836/ | 19:24 |
| jkt | damaltor: thanks, I do appreciate that | 19:24 |
| jkt | in fact, I probably failed to add a proper attribution in there | 19:24 |
| jkt | (a git log doesn't count, I guess) | 19:24 |
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| damaltor | :D | 19:31 |
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| admiral0 | hi, please vote for this https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=584 | 19:35 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 584 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, Add API to add custom pages to meegotouchhome | 19:35 |
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| damaltor | hi, please vote for this also: https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=668 :) | 19:50 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 668 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, NEW, Add a PERSISTING filter for the contacts app, to let the user select if he wants to see skype/icq/.. | 19:50 |
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| admiral0 | damaltor: voted, now i expect the same | 19:56 |
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| damaltor | already done | 20:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe the Linux crowd is so heavily behind Android. | 20:57 |
| SqRt7744 | i don't think they are. | 20:58 |
| admiral0 | well, there are little alternatives that have actual devices | 20:59 |
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| admiral0 | look at meego/harmattan | 20:59 |
| SqRt7744 | that's true, but that's not the fault of the community | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It really pissed me off that Zemlin's keynote at the last MeeGo Conf was mostly about Android. | 20:59 |
| admiral0 | nice UI, but closed and customiseable as a brick | 20:59 |
| admiral0 | and nokia doesn't care | 21:00 |
| admiral0 | they've already jumped on wp bandwagon | 21:00 |
| * admiral0 is so sad | 21:00 | |
| SqRt7744 | of course nokia doesn't care. f**k everything about nokia, except for the N9* phones. | 21:00 |
| admiral0 | they do not care | 21:01 |
| admiral0 | i receved a mail from meego chief architect today | 21:01 |
| admiral0 | i proposed to do stuff for them for free | 21:01 |
| SqRt7744 | what did he say? | 21:01 |
| admiral0 | under NDA | 21:01 |
| admiral0 | with any license they want | 21:01 |
| admiral0 | for solving bug 584 | 21:02 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=584 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, Add API to add custom pages to meegotouchhome | 21:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | let me guess, the udidn't bite | 21:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | s/ u/y / | 21:02 |
| infobot | itsnotabigtruck meant: let me guess, they didn't bite | 21:02 |
| admiral0 | platform security blabla, can't talk blabla, wouldn't solve blabla | 21:02 |
| SqRt7744 | ...which remind me, any way to add the date to the screensaver? | 21:02 |
| SqRt7744 | (on the n9/n950) | 21:03 |
| admiral0 | SqRt7744: it's closed afaik so no way yet | 21:03 |
| SqRt7744 | admiral0, well, I did manage to change the color to red, I just have to remember what file I edited. | 21:03 |
| frals | SqRt7744: you can change the format of the time so it includes date as well, but you would probably have to tweak the font size as well ;) | 21:05 |
| frals | SqRt7744: its sysuid.css or similar, should be obvious if you understand css | 21:06 |
| frals | admiral0: what was the name of the chief architect? | 21:06 |
| SqRt7744 | frals, yeah, you don't remember what file I should be looking at do you? | 21:06 |
| frals | SqRt7744: pretty sure its sysuid.css or systemuid.css | 21:07 |
| frals | /usr/share/themes/(blanco|base)/meegotouch/sysuid/ or so | 21:07 |
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| damaltor | i know a way to add the date to the lockscreen | 21:17 |
| damaltor | but not for normal users :D | 21:17 |
| damaltor | my lockscreen presents me random quotes from a database file below the clock | 21:17 |
| damaltor | the date should be possible easily too | 21:17 |
| frals | i guess it involves the operatorlogo? | 21:19 |
| damaltor | in short: a shell script wich runs a python script periodically, which is picking a quote from a file, converting the text to an image, copying this image into my home folder, and then telling gconf that this image is his the operator logo, wich then will be shown on the lock screen. | 21:19 |
| nix-cyrus | date? what about new messages(sms,email)? | 21:19 |
| mgedmin | damaltor, that is kind of cool! | 21:19 |
| frals | new messages are there by default | 21:19 |
| damaltor | i guess we could pack anything into that shell script, which can be found out on the console | 21:19 |
| damaltor | battery state for example is easy | 21:19 |
| damaltor | or, changing the color (!) of the date, depending on battery state | 21:20 |
| nix-cyrus | oh it will be cool | 21:20 |
| damaltor | read through this thread here, there is everything you need to know: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81443 | 21:21 |
| * mgedmin wants LPMCustomizer (sp?) to be able to render a text message | 21:21 | |
| SpeedEvil | I don't suppose it alo allows animations? | 21:21 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, feed it a mng | 21:21 |
| damaltor | the script is not made by me, i only modified it to my needs | 21:21 |
| * mgedmin overcomes his general hate of web forums and goes to read the thread | 21:21 | |
| frals | mgedmin: a specific text message or rotating one? ive been playing with the idea to rotate logos and stuff, but work schedule atm is a bit hectic (ie dont feel like coding when i get home) | 21:22 |
| damaltor | SpeedEvil: the graphc must be a png, and reloading it takes about a blink of an eye. so i guess you could make an animation with reconfiguring gconf every few milliseconds | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | frals, a text box for me to type in a message | 21:22 |
| damaltor | mgedmin: you can use python to render a text message | 21:22 |
| frals | the image can be pretty much anything qpixmap eats according to experiments | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | incidentally, how do you input ♥ via the n9's vkb? | 21:22 |
| admiral0 | mgedmin: you <3 | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | I'd choose battery life over animations | 21:23 |
| * mgedmin looks at the .zip links in the thread and sighs | 21:23 | |
| damaltor | but be warned, there are only8 colors. 000000,0000ff,00ff00,00ffff,ff0000,ff00ff,ffff00,ffffff | 21:23 |
| mgedmin | why don't people use github? | 21:23 |
| * mgedmin looooves web-browseable sources | 21:24 | |
| frals | mgedmin: patches welcome for lpmcustomizer btw; https://github.com/frals/lpmcustomizer ;-) | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | woot | 21:24 |
| damaltor | look into the source of that python script to see how that text-to-image thing is made. in that way, one could also use some console commands combined with grep and awk to extract the useful info, and convert that into an image instead of a quote | 21:25 |
| * mgedmin now needs to find a different excuse for being lazy | 21:25 | |
| mgedmin | actually I'm supposed to be working right now | 21:25 |
| damaltor | me too... | 21:25 |
| frals | work is usually a good excuse ^^ | 21:25 |
| frals | even works when you are working | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | compiling! | 21:27 |
| damaltor | compiling what? | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | SOPA, apparently: http://xkcd.com/303/ | 21:28 |
| damaltor | lol | 21:29 |
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| SqRt7744 | ok, I just noticed that /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/libsysuid-screenlock-nokia/style/libsysuid-screenlock-nokia.css hast a "LockScreen DateStyle" section, with an empty date-format. The time format contains "%R". Any suggestions what would work for date-format? Perhaps "%dd.MM.yy" ?? | 21:41 |
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| mgedmin | SqRt7744, try %d.%m.%Y | 21:50 |
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| mgedmin | it looks like pure strftime(3) -- %R is "The time in 24-hour notation (%H:%M)." | 21:51 |
| SqRt7744 | mgedmin, actually it's not what i want, it's not for the low power mode, just the regular lockscreen | 21:51 |
| mgedmin | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man3/strftime.3posix.html has all those %s | 21:51 |
| SqRt7744 | mgedmin, cool, thanks | 21:52 |
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| SqRt7744 | ok cool, it works well by changing the time-format for the lowpower mode to "%R %d" with no font size mods. It gives the the clock in 24hr + the day of the month (which is all I need) | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | neat | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | which file is that? | 22:01 |
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| SqRt7744 | /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/libsysuid-screenlock-nokia/style/libsysuid-screenlock-nokia.css | 22:01 |
| nix-cyrus | what is lowpower mode? | 22:02 |
| mgedmin | same css file for the standby screen and for the lock screen? | 22:02 |
| SqRt7744 | yep | 22:02 |
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| damaltor | wow. this is one of the most important hacks i can think of :O | 22:06 |
| damaltor | i was searching for that long time | 22:07 |
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| SqRt7744 | damaltor, I changed the clock color to red, seems more natural to me. | 22:09 |
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| damaltor | i did that too because the white is so bright. | 22:09 |
| damaltor | i am now back to white though | 22:10 |
| SqRt7744 | why's that? | 22:10 |
| damaltor | dunno... red lokked so... cheap? | 22:10 |
| damaltor | really cant tell, just thought that white is better in the end | 22:11 |
| nix-cyrus | so what is lowpower mode?? | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | AccuWeather is so :-X... e.g: "kph", WTF is that? Guessed it? km/h | 22:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | kph is a stadard acronym | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | forecast has 14 days scrollable in a scrollarea large enough to hold 3 days. Yet all you see is day of week, so you're completely lost on whether you're on next week or the week after next | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: where? in England? | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, they got this together with the Euro I guess ;-P | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | never seen kph *anywhere* in Europe | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | admittedly I've never been on the island | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kmh is a garbled but usual "unit" | 22:19 |
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| mgedmin | nix-cyrus, I think it's what Nokia calls the standby screen | 22:21 |
| mgedmin | what the N9 shows while it is locked | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually 'p' instead of '/' is never used on the continent | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | damaltor, actually I'd prefer to see the date somewhere in the status bar (at least after tapping and expanding it) | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | it feels silly that I have to lock my phone just to look at the date | 22:22 |
| nix-cyrus | oh..ok) I thought it is something like low-power mode that turning off some daemons and systems) | 22:23 |
| mgedmin | nix-cyrus, yeah, I'm just guessing from context | 22:23 |
| mgedmin | besides, there is a power savings mode which is something completely different | 22:23 |
| DrGrov | Damn this protective cover condom coming with the N9 | 22:31 |
| DrGrov | It feels like it is making some noise, a weird cracking noise around the power button when I squeeze it just a bit. | 22:32 |
| DrGrov | Then I remove the cover but the damn phone also makes a bit of noise when I squeeze it over the side of the power button | 22:32 |
| DrGrov | Should this be even normal FFS? | 22:32 |
| damaltor | hm | 22:33 |
| damaltor | of all my phones i had, the n9 is the first phone which doesnt make a single nois AT ALL, with or without condom | 22:34 |
| damaltor | mgedmin: i never thought about that. but you are damn right | 22:34 |
| M4rtinK | thp: ping :) | 22:38 |
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| DrGrov | It does not make a noise if I do not squeeze it a bit tighter | 22:43 |
| DrGrov | But apparently that is normal, at least there is no sign that the N9 has been physically raped in any way | 22:44 |
| DrGrov | So a normal hold of the phone does not make any noise. I just had to check with you guys that is that type of noise normal since it feels like a squeezing noise after I hold it tighter? | 22:45 |
| DrGrov | Or has it been violated in an unproper way? :D | 22:46 |
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| DrGrov | Nah, does not matter. The phone is fine since there is no marks on it. | 22:48 |
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| DrGrov | I am just overacting again | 22:49 |
| DrGrov | Perhaps it is my quest for perfection that always makes me nervous | 22:49 |
| SqRt7744 | anyone know what createApplication does? as in: QScopedPointer<QApplication> app(createApplication(argc, argv)); .it's in the main.cpp of any autogenerated qml app for harmattan | 22:55 |
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| SqRt7744 | well, it returns a QApplication pointer, but the trouble is the app I'm trying to port has derived QApplication, so I can't use it... | 22:56 |
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| jonni | You can just replace the autogenerated lines and use QApplication instead. QScoperPointer is only needed if you want to use the application startup booster. | 22:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: have you looked at the calendar icon after you unlock | 23:04 |
| mgedmin | no, why? | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: it changes | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also i'm such a reddit addict | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | you have that hack then? | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | keep going back there only to realize it's still on sopa shutdown | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | thp wrote a cron script to change the .desktop file every day, iirc | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | that changes the icon | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | I haven't installed that hack | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whoops, it actually doesn't update, because i haven't installed the hack | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure why i thought it did | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe i will now | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | (was it thp or someone else? aaaugh my memory is full of holes and uncertainty) | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | thp, yeah | 23:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone packaged it? | 23:06 |
| mgedmin | the n9 got me hooked on twitter :( | 23:06 |
| mgedmin | now I must check the stream every few hours or it'll overwhelm me | 23:07 |
| SqRt7744 | jonni, thanks. Application startup booster sounds good though :-) | 23:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.box.com/s/hfp9zyr99kci0ymdn201 is this the legit stuff | 23:09 |
| mgedmin | feels weird to retweet frals quoting me on IRC :) | 23:09 |
| frals | ^^ | 23:09 |
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| jonni | SqRt7744: you only gain about 200-500ms in startup times by using it. Basicly booster just pre-launches a QApplication process to certain point and suspends into waiting state, and then application is sterted from grid, the booster (invoker), resumes the suspended process, changes the prepopukated process ownership to your process, and continues to execute your app. So your app starts a bit faster, since QApp and QDeclarativeView was | 23:11 |
| jonni | already created before you start the app. | 23:11 |
| jonni | dont mind the typoes in the text, crosseyes :) | 23:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://store.ovi.com/content/231931?clickSource=search&pos=2 here's pam's deb package, already in the ovi store | 23:14 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | (also, this sort of thing is exactly why aegis = lol) | 23:15 |
| SqRt7744 | jonni, ok, but still, when I want to know something, i want to know it really fast. I'm working on evopedia. I suspect that my "workaround" has actually no net benefit though, since I have to launch an EvopediaApplication, which is derived from QApplication | 23:15 |
| SqRt7744 | i'm doing it thusly: EvopediaApplication evoapp(argc,argv); QScopedPointer<EvopediaApplication> app(&evoapp); | 23:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw has anyone had any trouble with IPv6 turned on | 23:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. non-IPv6 aware apps | 23:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i got on a wifi network with native ipv6 and http://ipv6-test.org worked fine | 23:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whoops, it's actually http://test-ipv6.com | 23:17 |
| jonni | SqRt7744: most likely using qscopedpointer in that actually makes the startup slower than just using QApp | 23:17 |
| * mgedmin hatesssss ovi store hatessss it | 23:18 | |
| SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, sorry can't help you there, but you reminded me of biggest network realted problem with harmattan: no avahi. It can't resolve .local addresses mdns or whathaveyou. You wouldn't know how to get .local resolutions working would you? | 23:18 |
| jonni | SqRt7744: but that is just my quess, I havent done any lauterbach traces lately and havent tested to use any other class as scoper pointer. | 23:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | SqRt7744: are you sure you need mdns in the first place? | 23:18 |
| SqRt7744 | jonni, alright, I'll drop it. I'd rather just have the program working, which it currently isn't. | 23:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a lot of nat routers can do things like create DNS entries for dhcp reservations | 23:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | allowing you to e.g. name your printer printer.sqrt.local or whathaveyou | 23:19 |
| SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, yeah, I'm pretty sure. It works on the n900 and all my laptop on the same lan, but the N9 just can't figure it out. | 23:19 |
| SqRt7744 | so I don't think the router is the problem. | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, i installed pam's package but it hasn't taken effect yet, even after a reboot | 23:20 |
| jonni | just add priner.sqrt.local to etc/hosts? | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | SqRt7744: i said 'are you sure you need', the answer is normally no | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mdns is an overly complex hack that isn't really appropriate for anyone who belongs in this channel :p | 23:21 |
| SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, ok, sorry, not an expert here by any means. | 23:21 |
| mgedmin | SqRt7744, I think my N9 calls itself 'RM680' when it speaks to the DHCP server | 23:21 |
| mgedmin | I wish I had avahi on my N9 | 23:21 |
| mgedmin | but I've just created a static mapping with a name in my router at home and at work, so I can ssh mg-n9.lan | 23:21 |
| mgedmin | I used avahi on the n900, and it ... sometimes worked | 23:22 |
| mgedmin | okay, okay, _usually_ worked | 23:22 |
| SqRt7744 | mgedmin, I don't want static mapping bcs there are too many computers on the lan which get their ip's dynamically | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's weird since the N9 is rm-696 | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and my n9's hostname is rm696 | 23:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wtf is rm-680, anyway | 23:23 |
| Mek | rm680 is n950 I thought | 23:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah | 23:23 |
| SqRt7744 | the hostname is still largely useless without avahi as far as i'm concerned | 23:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is there any harm to changing the hostname? | 23:24 |
| SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, i doubt it | 23:26 |
| SqRt7744 | i changed mine to borked | 23:27 |
| SqRt7744 | prophylactically | 23:27 |
| mgedmin | re the rm680 -- I covered my backside by adding "I think" :-) | 23:29 |
| ieatlint | yes, rm680 is the n950, rm696 is the n9 | 23:30 |
| ieatlint | just try and figure out what rm690 is :P | 23:30 |
| marsje | beta version of the n9? | 23:31 |
| marsje | and someone forgot to change that string somewhere in the config? | 23:32 |
| ieatlint | not exactly, but if you look at a harmattan image (eg, the OCF for the n950), you'll find references to the rm-690 | 23:32 |
| SqRt7744 | what the heck, why doesn't harmattan have avahi? Has anyone tried installing the maemo5 deb? It might work... | 23:32 |
| ieatlint | i've really no idea wtf it is though | 23:32 |
| mgedmin | SqRt7744, ha ha I bet it won't | 23:33 |
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| mgedmin | otoh rebuilding the maemo5 deb in a harmattan scratchbox shouldn't be too difficult | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | also, the old /etc/event/ upstart script needs to be upgraded to the new syntax and moved to /etc/init/ | 23:34 |
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| SqRt7744 | btw, has anyone found a good mpd client yet? I found one, but it is awful, half the buttons are off the screen. | 23:48 |
| SqRt7744 | ...and there is no source available, otherwise I wouldn't be complaining. | 23:48 |
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| mgedmin | SqRt7744, I have something called 'MPD Remote', but since I don't have any mpd servers around, I can't even see what its UI looks like | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | the icon looks reasonably pretty | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | (sound hardware died on the laptop that was our mpd server at work; I never managed to make mpd and pulseaudio coexist on my HMPC laptop at home) | 23:51 |
| SqRt7744 | mgedmin, yeah, that's the one I have to, but it is bad, really bad. When the music is playing, half the buttons (i.e. ff/skip) are off the screen, and there is no landscape mode | 23:52 |
| mgedmin | (correction: never managed to make mpd and an interactive X session coexist and share the same audio device nicely) | 23:52 |
| mgedmin | well, that sucks | 23:52 |
| mgedmin | is it open source? | 23:52 |
| SqRt7744 | no, that is exactly the problem. | 23:52 |
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| mgedmin | oO? | 23:52 |
| SqRt7744 | i think the developer isn't agaist open sourcing it, he just attaches zero importance to it, doesn't even host it anywhere | 23:53 |
| mgedmin | there are closed-source mpd remotes? | 23:53 |
| mgedmin | wow | 23:53 |
| * mgedmin thought only open source freaks cared about mpd | 23:53 | |
| SqRt7744 | i found his own personal blog or webpage, he mentions that he wrote the POS once, no links or anything. I have exhaustively search the 'net, and even sent him an email (i think) | 23:53 |
| SqRt7744 | mgedmin, like I said, he isn't trying to make money off it or anything, I think it was a weekend project that he just didn't care much about. | 23:55 |
| mgedmin | so there should be no objections to publishing the sources somewhere | 23:55 |
| mgedmin | (assuming they aren't lost) | 23:55 |
| SqRt7744 | no, but you have to motivate him to actually take a second look at it... | 23:56 |
| SqRt7744 | I'm a bit cheesed at the whole situation, especially considering how awesome the android client is | 23:57 |
| SqRt7744 | but, once i get evopedia working, the phone will be way more useful to me. | 23:57 |
| SqRt7744 | mpd is further down the priority list | 23:58 |
| mgedmin | I'm still without a password manager | 23:59 |
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