IRC log of #harmattan for Sunday, 2012-01-15

CaCO3thp: with python you can only use --type=e00:00
thpCaCO3: so, you got rid of the shell script and rewrote what it did into the python main script?00:00
CaCO3I now run the python script directly from the invoker like you do it00:01
thpoh yeah, could be - it's been some time since i played around with the --type parameter, i think you'd need to compile your main file as shared library so that the booster just loads it00:01
CaCO3I didnt figure out how to use the dbus stuff you use, but I anyway seem not to need it.00:01
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: it could look ugly if you stretch it like that00:01
thpyep, the d-bus stuff is not needed for that00:01
itsnotabigtruckbut like i said the screen is the math00:01
itsnotabigtruckjust scale and crop what you have down to the proper size00:02
itsnotabigtruckbut avoid scaling up00:02
CaCO3thp: so you think if I would compile it to a pyc or pyx it would work? would there be any speed improvement (beside the not needed compiling which is not measurable)?00:02
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: I scaled it up to 900 x 951 but still looking good. No messy pixels coming through.00:03
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ajalkaneokay, it seems the answer to my questions is QtSDK does not support QtMobility on Desktop targets. Sucks to make another abstraction layer once again.00:04
DrGrovGiana Sisters, Commodore 64, is the ringtone of choice00:05
DrGrovDamn, gotta take this one00:05
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: why would you overshoot the display size though00:05
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itsnotabigtruckthen it'll just get scaled back down00:05
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: As I mentioned I have no intention of going through several of hundred of images and scale them down00:06
DrGrovTakes way too much time :(00:06
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DrGrovWhat is the optimal length of a ringtone on the N9? Does it matter if I plan to use a roughly 2:00 minute or even longer song as ringtone?00:07
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: But I agree though, if I would have more time I would resize each picture00:07
benares_98:DrGrov aren't there available tools that would scale down images in batch?00:08
DrGrovDoes the size of the mp3 affect much on performance on the N9?00:08
DrGrovbenares_98: That is what I would hope, have not found anything for Linux yet :(00:08
DrGrovPerhaps I need to search harder :)00:08
benares_98:DrGrov how about ImageMagick ?00:09
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: selecting sth as ringtone will convert it to .wav, copy to ~user/.local/ringtone.wav or sth, and also truncate00:10
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: How much does it truncate it?00:11
DocScrutinizerso there's no optimum length00:11
DocScrutinizerdunno, some 30s I'd guess00:11
DrGrovOk, good. I will put them around 0:30 to 0:45 seconds00:11
DrGrovThe problem is that I can not find a ringtone I like that absolutely nobody else has00:11
DocScrutinizerlemme have a look what it's like for me here00:11
DocScrutinizeron fremantle00:12
DrGrovI have a lot of ringtones that I am sure nobody else uses so no worries there but to choose from them LOL :)00:12
benares_98:DrGrov suggest chiptune music.  Gives a nice retro feel :)00:13
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: ooops, maybe I was mistaken00:13
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r-- 1 user users 5757848 2011-12-14 12:54 /home/user/.local/share/sounds/daf-der_mussolini.mp3.wav00:13
ajalkaneI'm not aware of ringtone length limits on harmattan, at least mine goes on and on00:14
DocScrutinizer5MB seem a bit more than 30s00:14
DrGrovbenares_98: God damn! :) You never guess what I am listening to. Dubmood and some nice cracktro music from Fairlight, Hoodlum, Razor 1911 etc. :)00:14
DrGrovOk, good. Then I will cut it to something around 0:30 to 0:45 seconds or such. Should make a quite good loop :)00:15
benares_98:DrGrov that takes me back :)00:15
DrGrovbenares_98: Takes me back as well, makes two of us :) The beautiful good old days :)00:16
DocScrutinizerwell, afaik your inbound calls won't ring longer than 60s anyway00:16
DrGrovbenares_98: I am trying desperately to find the music of a old Pentagram (PTG) cracktro without luck :(00:16
DocScrutinizerafter that the carrier tears down the INVITE00:16
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I have had my inbound calls going on for at least 2 minutes or so previously when I had the N73... Strange, maybe I was mistaken though00:17
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DocScrutinizercaller gets a busy or "doesn't answer"00:17
DocScrutinizermaybe your carrier is more relaxed on that parameter00:17
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: The friend calling standing besides me did not get a busy or no answer.00:17
DrGrovGood to know :) My carrier is a nice fellow it seems then :)00:17
DrGrovBut my ISP is a total bitch00:17
DrGrovbenares_98: You got some chiptune music or cracktro music available there? ;-)00:18
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benares_98:DrGrov sorry mate00:19
DocScrutinizernfc what's chiptune, but on there are a few nice arcanoid tunes00:19
DocScrutinizermake your footnails roll up00:19
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Thanks Doc, heading over there right away :)00:19
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: You think I can get regular tv shows playing which are .avi and roughly 350MB with the default N9 video player?00:20
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DrGrovbenares_98: No problem :)00:20
DocScrutinizerumm, actually they are on it seems00:20
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: no idea00:20
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I will try, I hope the .avi files play nicely :) On the N900 they played brilliantly. Watched an House ep while driving to work LOL00:21
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Can I get a custom boot up video on the N9?00:22
DocScrutinizer(boot video) no idea, probably aegis will spoil it00:25
ajalkaneDrGrov: I've watched plenty of that kind of shows on N950. Works great.00:26
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Cool Arkanoid music/sounds you got there :)00:26
DrGrovajalkane: Bloody fucking brilliant :) Time to do the hard thing and get all Californication seasons except 1 there now :)00:26
DrGrovajalkane: Did you get 720p to play as well of these shows?00:26
ajalkaneDrGrov: DrGrov I think 720p works fine, HD versions won't00:27
DrGrovajalkane: So a .mkv in 720p works?00:28
ajalkaneDrGrov: Yes, .mkv files have worked for me00:28
ajalkaneAs long as they're not 1080p00:28
DrGrovajalkane: 720p that is?00:28
DrGrovajalkane: Then I have plenty to put there it seems if 720p works fine :) Any limit on size?00:29
ajalkaneI can't say for sure... but it has played anything I've thrown at it. But I know reading from forums it can't do 1080p00:29
DrGrovDoes the N9 btw have DRM for music?00:29
benares_98:ajalkane what mkv profile did you use that works on n9?00:29
DrGrovOk, 1080p is overkill anyhow.00:29
DrGrovajalkane: You sure you throwed 720p TV shows in .mkv at it? :)00:30
ajalkaneDrGrov: I'm not 100% sure. I just know I've got them .mkv files, but not sure which ones I've watched on computer and which ones on N950 :P00:31
ajalkanebenares_98: let me see if I still have some on my computer00:31
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: the "script" I used to create those arkanoid.wav from .sid is the best of the whole thing00:31
* DocScrutinizer <3 sox00:31
ajalkaneSorry guys, don't have any .mkv files anymore on computer that I've watched on N950. So I may be mistaken there.00:32
DrGrovajalkane: Ok, no worries. I will still put some 720p .mkv files there to see. Can always delete afterwards if they do not play. But regular TV shows, roughly 350MB or a bit more, you managed to play?00:33
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ajalkaneDrGrov: Yeah, most of the ones I watch have been that size, so they've played well00:33
ajalkaneI found some .mkv files on my comp so I'll try now if they play00:33
DrGrovajalkane: Ok, thanks for testing the .mkv 729p as well :) Can you verify if they are 720p?00:34
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ajalkaneThis seems to be 1280 x 720, so we'll see soon after the transfer is complete00:35
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DrGrovajalkane: Ok, eagerly awaiting your response :)00:39
ajalkaneTransferring file via my WiFi + SSH is  annoyingly slow.00:40
DrGrovajalkane: Ah, you are doing it that way :)00:40
ajalkaneYeah, I can't bother with plugging in cables. It's very convenient, even if a bit slower.00:41
DrGrovajalkane: I try to transfer this big chunk of files via USB mass storage since it is a lot. Hopefully I do not need to transfer much more than this for the time being.00:41
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ajalkaneOkay, the .mkv is unwatchable. Like 0.5 FPS.00:42
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ajalkaneNeed to recode those to watch them on the phone00:43
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ajalkaneThis was 1.1GB episode of a show00:43
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DrGrovajalkane: Ok, so I am going with regular .avi 350MB then :) Thanks for testing :)00:43
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DrGrovI am about to start copying. How do I know now where to copy ex. music and wallpapers and videos? They have own directories on the root dir of the phone?00:54
ajalkaneMyDocs/Movies, MyDocs/Music for movies and music00:56
DrGrovajalkane: Good good, will put the stuff there then :) Thanks00:57
ajalkaneBut as has been said, tracker magic should take care of them being visible wherever you copy them in MyDocs (don't you just love Tracker!)00:57
ajalkaneOkay my mistake... the video app only displayes from Movies directory00:58
ajalkaneOf course... otherwise your own shot videos with camera would show there.00:58
itsnotabigtruckajalkane: is there any way to control that with metadata00:58
itsnotabigtruckit seems like there ought to be like a 'disposition' field or something00:59
ajalkaneitsnotabigtruck: I have no idea. I've not looked into what's in the database.00:59
itsnotabigtruckalso i just found out the hard way that s60 (not meego) hates sha-2 certs, argh00:59
ajalkaneHating is always a positive thing. That's what we say here in Finland, anyway.01:01
itsnotabigtruckinteresting :%01:02
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itsnotabigtruckconcerning tracker01:05
itsnotabigtruck see post #301:05
itsnotabigtruckdoes that work on N901:05
itsnotabigtruckit involves editing a config file to add excluded directories, then reindexing01:05
itsnotabigtruckajalkane ^ (and any other trackerhaters?)01:07
DrGrovWhere should I put the mp3s I intend to use as ringtone then?01:08
ajalkaneitsnotabigtruck: sorry I have no idea. I'm not a tracker hater nor lover. But what I am mostly not is a tracker expert. I only know it from using the device.01:09
ajalkaneDrGrov: At least if you put into Music folder, you can select it as ringtone01:09
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DrGrovajalkane: Okay, I stuff them there then :) Thanks01:10
DrGrovDo I need to do a reboot of the phone now after I unplug it for everything to show up properly?01:11
itsnotabigtruckbtw does anyone know what sort of data the joikuspot (wifi hotspot) program phones home with01:11
itsnotabigtruck(it warns you about that when you first start it up)01:11
ajalkaneDrGrov: no01:11
DrGrovajalkane: Good good, thanks again :)01:11
DrGrovBrb, gotta check how it looks like01:11
itsnotabigtruckit looks like the relevant tracker config file is ~/.config/tracker/tracker-miner-fs.cfg01:12
itsnotabigtruck(slightly different from that tmo post for the n900)01:12
itsnotabigtruckit defaults to this: tracker-miner-fs.cfg:IgnoredDirectories=$HOME/MyDocs/core-dumps/;$HOME/MyDocs/cities/;$HOME/MyDocs/.sounds/Ringtones/;/home/user/MyDocs/Music/Ringtones;/usr/share/userguide/contents/images/;po;CVS;core-dumps;lost+found;01:12
itsnotabigtruckso for ringtones, sticking them in that ringtones folder will suffice; for wallpaper and other things like that, it should just require adding another folder there01:13
itsnotabigtrucktracker doesn't sound like a terrible idea but they need to expose options like that in a user friendly way01:15
itsnotabigtrucklike a "don't index this folder" option01:15
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov ^ that's relevant to your stuff01:15
itsnotabigtruckput your ringtones in ~/Music/Ringtones01:15
itsnotabigtruckthat will specifically cause them not to show up in the music app01:16
itsnotabigtruckerm, make that ~user/MyDocs/Music/Ringtones01:17
ajalkaneI don't think a common user cares for "Don't index this folder" option01:18
ajalkaneI have no problems with tracker. I take issue with the concept of trying to hide the filesystem altogether.01:18
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: I prefer them in MyDocs/Music :) But on the other hand I should have made a new folder called Ringtones there01:18
ajalkaneIt doesn't work01:18
itsnotabigtruckajalkane: a common user cares about not having a melange of garbage in all their galleries01:18
itsnotabigtruckwell, some of them do01:18
ajalkaneitsnotabigtruck: true, but I think tracker + Gallery takes care of that.01:19
DrGrovI really do not mind having them ringtones showing up in the Music app. I just create something else then to get "rid of them". Choose by artist is one way of course.01:19
DrGrovCan custom playlists be made in the Music app?01:19
ajalkaneDrGrov: no playlists. Use one of the 3rd party music player apps for that.01:20
DrGrovajalkane: Which do you recommend?01:20
ajalkaneDrGrov: I can't recommend any as I'm perfectly happy with the stock player. I just play music album at a time.01:21
ajalkaneBut I know the other players support playlists01:21
DrGrovajalkane: Ok. I think I will stick with that option as well for now on :)01:21
* DrGrov is away from keyboard messing with stuff for 30 minutes or so :) 01:21
DrGrovThanks ajalkane for your help01:22
ajalkaneNo problems. We're all brothers in HARM here.01:22
itsnotabigtrucki'm going to have to do something about all these lossless music files before i can start using the n9 as a music player, heh01:25
itsnotabigtruckespecially since i've only got around 8 gigs or so left over for music01:26
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DocScrutinizer51itsnotabigtruck: (user friendly config)  cd MyDocs; cd MyRingtones; >tracker_dont_index_here01:44
DocScrutinizer51s/>/touch /01:44
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: itsnotabigtruck: (user friendly config)  cd MyDocs; cd MyRingtones; touch tracker_dont_index_here01:44
DocScrutinizer51for clarity ;-D01:45
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itsnotabigtruckthat infobot correction stuff is so obnoxious...01:46
itsnotabigtruckanyway, DocScrutinizer51: that's a lot more convenient, heh01:46
mgedminDocScrutinizer51, is that something that exists, or something that you wish would exist?01:47
itsnotabigtruckgood question, the googles turn up nothing01:48
DocScrutinizer51sth I'd suggest to implement01:48
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* mgedmin was very annoyed by ringtones and podcasts breaking "shuffle all songs" on his N90001:49
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* mgedmin hasn't copied any ringtones/podcasts to his N9 yet, and doesn't want any there01:49
itsnotabigtruckwell, it looks like the tracker module is open source...i guess aegis might be a bit of an issue though01:49
* mgedmin is annoyed by random cover images in ~/MyDocs/Books cluttering up his gallery01:49
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: put them in ~user/MyDocs/Music/Ringtones and be happy :p01:49
itsnotabigtruckas for podcasts, not sure what the best solution is for that01:50
itsnotabigtrucksince you do have to have some way to play them...01:50
mgedminitsnotabigtruck, change gPodder to store podcasts in Music/Ringtones/ you mean?01:50
itsnotabigtruckby them, i meant the ringtones only01:50
itsnotabigtruckit's in the exclusion list by default for tracker01:50
mgedminalso, I would like tracker to index PDF files under Books, but skip images there01:50
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itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure if there's much that can be done with that, i saw an extensions exclusion list but that only works everywhere01:51
DocScrutinizer51it's pretty easy both as a patch in tracker-indexer itself as also as an addon that automaticallyedits the tracker.cfg01:52
itsnotabigtruckoh yeah, you could use tracker to locate and identify files telling tracker not to track there01:53
DocScrutinizer51or use ACL01:56
DocScrutinizer51ooops, no ACLs on VFAT01:56
itsnotabigtruckand acls, posix permissions, and mandatory access control all on one phone sounds like a mess01:56
DocScrutinizer51the whole crux is when you can't make galery show only family snapshots in dir 'family' or only business stuff in dir 'projectX' ("d only show porn when you navigate tothe folder xxprnxx :;-D)02:00
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ajalkaneWhen thinking of use cases, always start with: 1) family, 2) porn02:01
ajalkaneI think that covers 85% of the stuff02:02
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mgedminaren't you supposed to say "buying gifts on the Internet" for use case (2)?02:04
DocScrutinizer51yes, and unix gods invented subdirs for that purpose02:04
DocScrutinizer51and pathnames02:05
DocScrutinizer51which seems to be the superior concept since at least 40 years now02:08
itsnotabigtruckbut paths impose a single hierarchy on everything02:08
itsnotabigtruckhardlinking stuff everywhere doesn't count02:08
ajalkanemgedmin: only when talking with wife. When amongst geeks we can just say as it is, life is porn and games.02:09
DocScrutinizer51but NOOOO, nokia (after apple failed) thinks they know a better concept02:09
ajalkaneGod bless the unix gods for their wisdom.02:09
mgedminthis channel _is_ publically logged, you know ;)02:10
ajalkaneTracker allows good stuff, like the search application in Harm. But doing everything possible to hide the paths is not something I like. Folders and paths are a good organizational thing.02:10
ajalkanemgedmin: yeah I know. I take such grave risks in my life. Like my wife browsing through the back logs of #harmattan channel :-D02:11
ajalkaneI'll report tomorrow after a big argument with my wife :P02:11
ajalkaneI don't think she'd get angry at me saying the word porn in the channel. But laughing about her not browsing the channel would surely get her mad if she found out.02:12
ajalkaneSo... don't mail her. Ok?02:12
itsnotabigtruckajalkane: multiple accounts, man02:12
mgedminitsnotabigtruck, hard on the n902:13
mgedminunless you mean multiple phones ;)02:13
ajalkaneitsnotabigtruck: no no... I want some danger in my life02:13
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: i'm assuming this is on the pc :p02:13
mgedminuh, this.. this is a phone I use when I want to buy gifts on the internets02:13
ajalkaneI think harmattan would need a face-recognition unlock like ICS. Except when it's not your face, it'd show bogus information. Like faked browser history and faked messaging history.02:14
ajalkaneThat'd rule.02:14
itsnotabigtrucka fingerprint sensor would be a neat feature for a phone02:15
DocScrutinizer51that's exactly my fav concept of security02:15
DocScrutinizer51not the fingerprint02:15
SpeedEvilThe third iris?02:16
DocScrutinizer51rather an account 'admin' with no password and 'mkfs.ext3' as login shell02:17
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DocScrutinizer51just like you of course have 2 codes for your tresor: one for normal use and one that calls the police and locks all exits while still opening the tresor02:20
ajalkaneI had to google what tresor is. From the first meaningful link I got with a quick glance the following keywords: techno, Ufo, house, German Unified.02:21
ajalkaneI'm down with that.02:21
DocScrutinizer51have an icon "My Best Porn" on your desktop that instantly locks the machine02:21
DocScrutinizer51steel locker02:22
DocScrutinizer51safe is the word02:22
DocScrutinizer51I also have some (I think) nice ideas abot one time 'passphrases' to authenticate02:24
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DocScrutinizer51e.g. click on those 4 of 16 snapshots that show sth you know (I.E. are some of 'your' pictures) while the other 12 are 'random' snapshots from flicker02:26
DocScrutinizer51og course eacdh time there's another collection of 4 known and 12 unknown pics02:27
DocScrutinizer51meh I'll try again...02:28
DocScrutinizer51of course each time there's another collection of 4 known and 12 unknown pics02:28
SpeedEvilgoogle 'image search' breaks that02:28
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SpeedEvilTake a pic of the lockscreen, cap the 16 images, search for them, pick the 4 from the same user02:31
DocScrutinizer51a) google doen't know which pics *I* know and which not. b) there's of course a tight timeout02:31
DocScrutinizer51of course you can break that when given enough time and allowe retries, by simply checking which are the maybe 500 pics that always appear02:33
DocScrutinizer51you *might* also assume that all the pics google knows are not ones of the set of private/knowb-to-me pics02:35
DocScrutinizer51but that would fail when I e.g. allow all pics showing a known building at my last holiday's place02:36
itsnotabigtruckthe problem with OTP schemes, is that they work for authentication, but not encryption02:37
DocScrutinizer51I never took those pics, nor published them, I just looked at them and added tehm to known set02:37
SpeedEvilitsnotabigtruck: How not?02:37
SpeedEvilitsnotabigtruck: If you can predistribute the key.02:37
itsnotabigtruckSpeedEvil: you can't derive an encryption key from a one time password - all otp systems are shared secret arrangements02:37
SpeedEvilitsnotabigtruck: If I want to talk to my small group of feinds, 16 gigabytes of key is a _lot_ of talk-time02:38
itsnotabigtruckshared secret, as in whatever you're authenticating to has to know the secret too02:38
itsnotabigtruck"16 gigabytes of key"?02:38
itsnotabigtruckotp = one time password, sorry02:38
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itsnotabigtrucksmart cards work, passwords work, smart cards that can unlock with biometrics work02:40
itsnotabigtruckbut any encryption scheme involving e.g. fingerprint alone, or one time password alone, won't02:41
* TSCHAK screams at the top of his lungs, BOY GSTREAMER DOCUMENTATION SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!02:46
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mgedminit has documentation?  lucky you02:47
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DrGrovQuick question. Now I have set up a ringtone which is quite many MB's, at least 5 but maximum 10. Does this affect negatively? I remember that having a too big ringtone before on Nokia phones could make the phone ring the default Nokia Tune because it ran out of memory abruptly. Does this happen on the N9 as well if the ringtone is "too big" ?03:38
mgedminwhy not try it and see?03:38
DrGrovMy fiancee got seriously mad about my messing around with the N9 :D LOL03:38
DrGrovShe threatened me to home cleaning duty (dishes etc.) if I do not stop this madness :D03:39
mgedminis it her N9?03:39
DrGrovmgedmin: It is the middle of the night here, 03:40 AM so I can not have anyone call me at this time :D LOL But I wonder, does it happen or not that due to memory consumption becoming too high that the default freaking Nokia Tune is played on the N9?03:40
DrGrovNo, it is not her N9 but still... I did not pay too much attention again today due to the contacts struggle I had earlier03:41
mgedminoh, hey, you're in the same timezone as I am03:42
mgedminI don't use mine as a phone, so I never cared about ringtones03:42
mgedminthe previous phone (the n900) converted the .mp3 into a .wav in advance, I believe03:42
mgedminso that it would be able to play it directly even when the cpu was busy otherwise03:43
DrGrovmgedmin: Ok, I think DocScrutinizer mentioned something like that as well. So I should be safe so to speak.03:43
mgedminI tried to use the n900 as a phone for a few hours, then gave it up03:45
mgedmin256 megs of ram were not enough for maemo03:45
mgedminso far I haven't managed to send my n9 into swap hell03:46
mgedminalthough I managed to make the ui somewhat choppy at times03:46
* DocScrutinizer is using N900 as a phone since 2 years now, never had any remarkable issues with that03:47
mgedminno missed calls because it was swapping so hard the caller gave up before the n900 was able to show you the accept/reject screen?03:49
mgedminlucky you03:49
mgedminwhen I use stuff, stuff gets used hard03:49
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DrGrovIn a terminal, how can I check how many times a certain number has been used? I am thinking about +35804:00
DrGrovI have a text file and would like to know how many +358 I got there04:00
SpeedEvilgrep "\+358" file|wc04:00
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SpeedEvilawk '/\+358/{n++}END{print n}' file04:01
DrGrovFilename in the end of the second option yes?04:01
SpeedEvilfile = whatever04:02
DrGrovAutocompletion works yes?04:02
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DrGrovSpeedEvil: I am double checking my contacts.vcf against +358 numbers so I make sure I got all covered as +358 in front04:06
DrGrovGoogleContactsBackupPerfect14012012$ awk '/\+358/{n++}END{print n}' contacts.vcf04:07
DrGrovGod damn this copy - paste.04:08
DrGrovNah, it works still04:08
DrGrovGoogleContactsBackupPerfect14012012$ awk '/\+358/{n++}END{print n}' contacts.vcf04:09
DrGrovGoogleContactsBackupPerfect14012012$ awk '/118/{n++}END{print n}' contacts.vcf04:10
DrGrovSpeedEvil: I remove the "\" from the search, was that correct?04:10
DrGrovI mean, do I need to have both / and \ in order to search for anything with + ?04:11
befr0d\ is for escaping special chars04:12
befr0dI believe04:12
DrGrovbefr0d: Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me. Never used awk before :/04:12
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DrGrovSo apparently those with +358 are correct since they are 38 and the single one with 118 makes the contacts 39.04:13
DrGrovAnd I got 39 on my phone. Good good, a perfect backup for the time being to use whenever needed thanks to the method DocScrutinizer guided me through :)04:13
SpeedEvil+ is a special char04:14
DrGrovSpeedEvil: Ok, so I did it correctly then as you described in order to determine how many +358 I have?04:15
SpeedEvilActually - I'm not sure if + is a special char at teh beginning04:16
SpeedEvilI suspect it will be ignored, so match any '358'04:16
SpeedEvilIf not escaped04:16
DrGrovSo should I do it again to find the +358 as certain, not only 358?04:17
SpeedEvilWith gawk at least - matches only +35804:17
DrGrovI just put gawk instead of awk and the same command?04:17
SpeedEvilIt's not a behaviour specified by teh manual04:18
SpeedEvilescape it04:18
DrGrovHow you mean? Escape it?04:18
SpeedEvilIt's a side-effect which may change with version04:18
DrGrovGoogleContactsBackupPerfect14012012$ gawk '/\+358/{n++}END{print n}' contacts.vcf04:19
SpeedEvil0+358 for example matches 0358 00358 000358 - but not 35804:19
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SpeedEviln+ is 'zero or more n's04:19
DrGrovGoogleContactsBackupPerfect14012012$ gawk '/118/{n++}END{print n}' contacts.vcf04:19
DrGrovSo I remove the (n++) and use gawk instead of awk?04:20
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DrGrovWell I could open it up in a web browser and plain text and do a search there with "+358" to see how many they are04:22
DrGrov*and = as04:22
AranelI'm willing to do a very small app/script to auto-change random wallpaper from a given folder every X minutes, what would be the best/less battery consuming approach? What should I take into consideration?04:24
DrGrovSpeedEvil: You got any suggestion how I can verify those +358 as 38 and 118 as 1 from the contacts.vcf file?04:24
SpeedEvil'as 38 and 118' ?04:26
SpeedEvilNo - miscommunication04:26
SpeedEvilany char followed by plus, in a regular expression matches one or more of that char.04:26
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DrGrovSo it was correct then the first one I did?04:27
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DrGrovI gotta redo it though to make sure. I will leafpad my way into the contacts.vcf and then redo gawk commands for the file04:29
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DrGrovThe latest one, this is correct now SpeedEvil ? GoogleContactsBackupPerfect14012012$ gawk '/\+358/{n++}END{print n}' contacts.vcf04:36
DrGrovAnd this one is also correct syntax? GoogleContactsBackupPerfect14012012$ gawk '/118/{n++}END{print n}' contacts.vcf04:37
SpeedEvilif you only want to find out how many 118s are there, without caring about their position, yes04:37
DrGrovNo, the position is fine :) I just know I had one but wanted to make sure I add them correctly to 39 in total.04:37
DrGrovI got a strange error message though when opening the contacts.vcf with leafpad04:38
DrGrovGoogleContactsBackupPerfect14012012$ leafpad contacts.vcf04:38
DrGrov(leafpad:9497): IBUS-WARNING **: Connect to unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-DGLJ2ZxpXE,guid=b3009a377e3607296f0831ca4bf2f5ff failed: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-DGLJ2ZxpXE: Connection refused.04:38
DrGrovThis is on my desktop computer though, not the N9 just to let you know.04:39
DrGrovCould that error message somehow tamper with the contacts.vcf file and make those searches for +358 and 118 to be inaccurate? So that +358 is not 38 in total and 118 is not 1 in total?04:39
DrGrovSpeedEvil: What do you think? Could it mess up the contacts.vcf file somehow? Apparently probably not since that is the one I used to import with vcardconverter earlier on the N9. So that gave me the output of sucessfully imported 39 contacts. The searches now also give a total of 39. So apparently nothing wrong with the contacts.vcf file then I presume?04:44
SpeedEvills -l contacts.vcf04:45
DrGrov3839 2012-01-14 22:02 contacts.vcf04:45
virtualdcan i get alien from debian or ubuntu to convert meego rpms to debs?04:45
virtualdguess i'll have to try04:46
DrGrovSpeedEvil: You need the see the full output of "ls - l contacts.vcf" ?04:47
SpeedEvilno - I was wondering if it was a wierd link04:47
SpeedEvilDoes opening other files work with leafpad?04:48
DrGrovThey open up correctly though with leafpad even though that ibus error message04:48
DrGrovI never had issues with opening via terminal nor GUI with leafpad. It has always showed the file I try to open but I got surprised by the error message I got now when opening from terminal04:49
DrGrovI am sure I have seen that error message before when opening from terminal but never paid any attention to it04:50
DrGrovSpeedEvil: So the output I pasted from "ls - l contacts.vcf" means that it has not been changed since 22:02, almost 7 hours ago?04:51
DrGrovSpeedEvil: Ok, then everything is fine I presume?04:52
SpeedEvilif that's what you expect04:52
DrGrovYes, I expected 38 +358 contacts and 1 118 contact, total of 39 contacts in the contacts.vcf as I imported on the N9 as well with vcardconverter.04:53
DrGrovI gotta stop having this paranoia about things, trying to overcontrol everything into absurdum04:54
DrGrovSorry for taking your time SpeedEvil for small things like this04:54
DrGrovI have had so much issues before with contacts importing/exporting so I hate to have to do it again if something goes wrong04:55
virtualdis there a faq for this channel or development on harmattan somewhere?04:56
DrGrovBut now I know I have that perfect backup which I can easily restore. Got it at Google contacts as well and as the contacts.vcf both on phone and computer.04:56
* virtuald found platform guide04:56
virtualdo so i should get the harmattan platform sdk apparently04:57
itsnotabigtruckvirtuald: don't think thereis04:58
itsnotabigtruckinfo is scattered here and there04:58
itsnotabigtruckmake sure to read through the nokia n9 dev website,, etc.04:58
itsnotabigtruckplatform sdk is what you want for real programs04:58
itsnotabigtruckqt sdk is what you want for piddly programs :p04:58
itsnotabigtrucknote that for platform sdk, you need debian or ubuntu, so if you don't use one of those get a vm going04:59
virtualdi need to make some bookmarks here and there04:59
virtualdi'm already on ubuntu05:00
virtualdthank you very much05:00
itsnotabigtruckalso is definitely a main source for info05:01
itsnotabigtruckthe meego forums aren't so geat05:01
virtualdgood to know05:01
itsnotabigtruckin no small part because the n9 is more maemo than meego05:01
itsnotabigtruckdespite the marketing05:01
itsnotabigtruckn9 = maemo + some stuff adapted over from meego + a shiny new gui05:01
* DrGrov will start to play with tweaking tomorrow MuHAHAHA :) 05:01
* DrGrov is afraid though he will screw up the device :/05:02
itsnotabigtruckunfortunately "some stuff" includes a security framework that everyone hates, lol05:02
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: lol, what kind of tweaks?05:02
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: I have absolutely no idea, I will start slow and safe. I would love to change the look of the operator logo on the lock screen. Basically that but not much more for one day. :)05:03
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: operator logo on the lock screen?05:03
virtualdi'm not afraid to brick my phone as i accidentally got the 16G version because i was in a rush05:03
itsnotabigtruckis yours a carrier locked version05:03
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: My N9 carrier locked you mean?05:03
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: yeah05:04
itsnotabigtruckwas just wondering because mine has nothing but the carrier name in the top where it always is05:04
itsnotabigtruckno fancy graphics05:04
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Perhaps not operator logo on the lock screen but something like a logo or something that could be put there. Not sure what I mean. No, it is an unlocked black 64GB version05:04
itsnotabigtruckah ok05:04
DrGrovI read about it earlier today and found it to be quite interesting05:05
itsnotabigtrucki'm starting to realize that 16 gigs isn't enough space, but the 64gb just ends up being way too much for a phone :(05:05
itsnotabigtruckit's probably a lot more reasonable with carrier subsidies05:05
DrGrovI already got roughly 8GB filled up in 20 minutes or so. Just as a quick start up :)05:05
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DrGrovTo see how the music player works and how the wallpaper setting is done and also to test a few videos05:06
DrGrovEverything worked out really good I must say. Definitely not missing the iPhone regarding those things :)05:06
DrGrovIf I get a call on the N9, is it possible to silence it by flipping it over as it was with the N900?05:08
DrGrovOr was that even possible with the N900? Can not remember even if I had the device :/05:08
DrGrovAnyone know how to silence an incoming call when the profile is not beep or silent? Talking full volume here :D05:10
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delphirotate the device 180 deg05:13
itsnotabigtruckor press the red button05:13
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DrGrovdelphi: So it does work to flip it downside to silence the phone?05:14
trxi hope so05:14
trxn900 did that05:14
DrGrovOk, then I remember correctly that the N900 could do that/does that even still today.05:14
DrGrovSo I gotta test it tomorrow before I go Monday05:15
merlin1991DrGrov: afaik n900 does that only with some extra software05:17
DrGrovmerlin1991: Ok thanks for clearing that up for me :)05:22
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posixis there any easy way to configure the commhistoryd to *also* store events in a sqlite3 database?05:42
posixi mean, keep the tracker communication, but also use its sqlite3 support05:43
posixnvm... checked the source and it seems that commhistoryd doesn't support sqlite3 at all... only the lib supports it05:58
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rafael2kI'm could get squeeze running inside a chroot in the HARM! now I really test the platform!06:30
rafael2k; )06:30
rafael2kopen mode is really a nice thing, as in good old N900 days06:31
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IktwoHi, I've finished a GConf editor, it may be useful for someone
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rZrrafael2k: grat13:15
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DrGrovHi everyone13:35
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Hi Doc, thank you for your help yesterday. Was invaluable :)13:35
DocScrutinizerwas a pleasure to help13:35
DocScrutinizerand *you* found the solution on that website13:35
DrGrovWell yes, maybe "I" found the solution but I could not have done it with your guidance and sorting out :)13:36
DrGrovI was seriously giving up on the damn thing just before I hit Enter on the "vcardconverter /home/user/MyDocs/contacts.vcf" file :D13:37
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faenilgri: posted my problem on qml mailing list, twitter, qt devnet forum...let's see if there's anyone who can help XD13:43
faenilno answers in the last 24 hours :)13:44
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: You mentioned something last night about the N9 creating a .wav file of a selected .mp3 ringtone?13:44
DocScrutinizerI said it's like this on fremantle13:45
DocScrutinizerhaven't checked for HARM, just "extrapolating"13:45
DrGrovAh, sorry. I misread your text last night then, Fremantle ok.13:45
DocScrutinizerwait a minute13:46
* DocScrutinizer checking on "burning-platform"13:46
DocScrutinizeraka N95013:46
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DrGrovThe N950 and N9 is almost exactly the same yes? Speaking on terms of SW.13:47
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DocScrutinizer*NO* ~user/.local/share/sounds on HARM :-S13:48
DocScrutinizernow I wonder if they just changed location of the dir13:49
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DocScrutinizeror use a completely new concept for ringtone handling (which I honestly doubt)13:49
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DrGrovOn Fremantle it made it into a .wav and moved into a "secret" place?13:51
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Do you btw have a link to this Konttori's blog?13:52
xmlich02btw it is possible setup automatic location update of instant messaging client status in harmattan? (similar to n900)13:53
DocScrutinizerkonttori blog? not really. Which particular topic in there?13:54
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: on fremantle it's >> -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 5757848 2011-12-14 12:54 /home/user/.local/share/sounds/daf-der_mussolini.mp3.wav13:55
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I just wondered since I read somewhere last night about Konttori saying something about PR 1.2 and PR 1.3 for the N9. I read it on IIRC13:56
DocScrutinizercreated from ~user/MyDocs/MP3/foo/D/bar/DAF/der_mussolini.mp313:56
DocScrutinizerwhen I picked that one for ringtone13:56
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, So it makes it into a .wav but keeps the name basically.13:56
DocScrutinizersth like that13:57
DrGrovCould it be so that it takes the whole .mp3 and just keeps that and hopes that it does not lag down the phone when someone is ringing?13:57
DocScrutinizeron HARM? maybe13:58
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DrGrovOk, it just seems funny though that it would be such a big difference between the N900 and N9/N95013:59
DocScrutinizeryou *should* be able to tell by simply 1. copying arbitrary acmesong.mp3 to acmesong-for-test.mp3, 2. pick acmesong-for-test.mp3 for ringtone, 3. cat anothersong.mp3 >acmesong-for-test.mp3. Then see if your ringtone changed to "anothersong" tune, or stayed the same it was before14:00
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DocScrutinizerI couldn't trst here even when I was willing to do, due to no inbound calls on device without SIM14:02
DocScrutinizerhell, maybe those special fools decided to store ringtone data in tracker db as well ;-P14:02
DocScrutinizerat least a find /home /usr /var -iname "*.wav"  didn't show *anything* that would look like the fremantle scheme for ringtone conversion14:03
DocScrutinizerthough: find: /home/user/.local/share/tracker/data: Permission denied  // find: /home/user/.cache/media-art: Permission denied // etc pp14:06
DocScrutinizer~lart aegis14:06
* infobot beats aegis severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken14:06
DocScrutinizerfound:  /usr/share/sounds/ring-tones/Chat alert.wav   /usr/share/sounds/ui-tones/snd_message_in_call.wav   /usr/share/sounds/energy-profiler/screenshot.wav   /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/meego-im-uiserver/feedbacks/priority2_vkb_sliding_press/audio.wav   /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/sysuid/feedbacks/priority1_power_off/audio.wav   /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/feedbacks/priority2_static_press/audio.wav   /usr/share/themes/14:11
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grifaenil: Don't expect an answer on the weekend14:46
grifaenil: And your code also does not do a glClear() I hope? :)14:46
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tonyoyhi all15:28
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tonyoyI have an update proposed in apps update : developer-mode 1.35+0m615:31
tonyoyand at a apt-get dist-upgrade I have : aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy developer-mode libgcrypt11 libgpg-error0 libpixman-1-0 libsocial-contacts-actions libtiff4 libxml2 nano15:32
tonyoynew to n9 but coming from debian, I wonder where I could find info about these upgrades and different status from apps upgrade and apt-get one15:33
marsjetonyoy: I'm also a debian guy new to the N915:35
marsjeand I also tried a dist-upgrade15:35
marsjewhat version do you have?15:36
dm8tbryou should use the UI for updates15:36
tonyoymarsje: hi, PR1.115:37
tonyoyIn fact I tried a apt-get install nano, but get caught by an "Aegis rejecting /var/cache/apt/archives/nano_2.2.6-1_armel.deb: package 'nano' already installed from '' -- not replacing it from unknown origin" and was wondering if the "aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy" could improve or worsen my situation...15:38
marsjeyou added a repo?15:39
tonyoymarsje: yes ... for f in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list; do echo $f && cat $f && echo; done15:42
tonyoydeb ./15:42
tonyoydeb ./15:42
tonyoydeb ./15:42
tonyoydeb harmattan main15:42
tonyoydeb-exec /usr/bin/osa15:42
tonyoydeb ./15:42
marsjeguess nano is in the official repo and also in some additional repo15:42
tonyoymarsje: yes, apt-cache policy nano15:43
tonyoy  Installé : 2.2.4-1+maemo4+0m615:43
tonyoy  Candidat : 2.2.6-115:43
tonyoy Table de version :15:43
tonyoy     2.2.6-1 015:43
tonyoy        500 ./ Packages15:43
tonyoy     2.2.4-1+maemo4+0m6 015:43
tonyoy        500 ./ Packages15:43
tonyoy *** 2.2.4-1+maemo4+0m6 015:43
tonyoy        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status15:43
tonyoymarsje: and I am interested in last version and its better support of syntax coloring, as vim very old on harmattan...15:44
marsje\I think meego has some additional system, aegis, that makes things a bit harder/more complicated than plain debian apt15:44
marsjehaven't figured it out yet myself15:44
marsjeso maybe someone else here can explain15:45
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dm8tbrtonyoy: you might want to learn about pastebins15:46
tonyoydm8tbr: sorry, next will be pastebined15:46
tonyoymarsje: yes, been thru
marsjetonyoy: yeah, was looking into that as well, but don't dare to try yet15:49
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tonyoymarsje: me too, don't have enough confidence on this yet, that's why I was wondering about the "aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy" update15:50
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marsjeyeah, sounds interesting15:51
marsjebut no idea what it really is..15:51
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djszapiN950tonyoy that policy package has nothing to do with your issue15:52
grifaenil: How did you get that "devdays" badge on Qt Devnet? :)15:52
tonyoydjszapiN950: thanks for info, do you know where to find changelogs about this ?15:53
n3wb1ehi guys15:54
n3wb1ei have one problem and don't know exactly the best way to solve it15:54
djszapiN950tonyoy, it is simply the mere fact the nokia source is more trustworty than an external, especially if it is not even the community policy15:55
djszapiN950platform security documentation you need, not changelog15:55
djszapiN950n3wb1e, shoot15:55
n3wb1ei have QML App running on Harmattan , n9, n95015:55
n3wb1eim showing Device gallery in my app ( and images can be taken from camera aswell - dbus usage )15:55
n3wb1eSome images are rotated15:55
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n3wb1e_sorry,, just got disconnected some how15:58
n3wb1e_well.. i put question about qml - images- rotation15:59
n3wb1e_did you retrieved?15:59
n3wb1e_in general16:00
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n3wb1e_i want to provide best solution to get image orinetation flag16:01
n3wb1e_is this : read exif format , or even use QDocumentGallery - qt mobility?16:01
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tonyoydjszapiN950: if i make my own package based on but modified will it be rejected with a "not replacing it from unknown origin" too ?16:06
faenilgri: no clue, I got it automatically :D16:08
faenilmaybe because I had the username on my badge?16:09
grifaenil: you had your twitter name on the badge :)16:10
faenilgri: which is the same :D16:11
faenilgri: got to study...cya :)16:12
faenilbye bye people :)16:13
n3wb1e_does anyone know how to get image orinetation information on harmattan - n916:13
n3wb1e_some images are rotated..16:13
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I got a call just a few minutes ago. It worked brilliantly. Thanks for the information you posted up earlier :)16:21
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: So it does seem like it does the conversion from .mp3 to .wav in order to save CPU and memory.16:22
tonyoydm8tbr: do you have any info about the "aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy" update id: is it related to the one the UI is exposing and that you are advising me to use ?16:24
dm8tbrno idea16:37
tonyoydm8tbr: thanks16:37
tonyoydm8tbr: my last sentance might sound frustrated, I meant: ok, nevermind - thank you16:45
zx2c4How can I use telepathy-qt from inside qtcreator/qtsdk?16:45
zx2c4it doesnt look like the headers are included by default16:46
zx2c4DrGrov: DocScrutinizer: glad yall found my blog post16:46
DocScrutinizerzx2c4: indeed, good spotting you got there. Could need a lil more verbosity about how to actually use the damn thing (vcard-converter)16:49
zx2c4vcardconverter just takes files one at a time i think, or possibly you can give a list16:49
zx2c4vcardexport just spits out ur whole address book to vcards16:49
DocScrutinizerone a time it is16:49
zx2c4for i in *.vcf; do vcardconverter "$i"; done16:50
zx2c4ls *.vcf | xargs -n 1 vcardconverter16:50
DocScrutinizernot obvious to end users like DrGrov16:50
zx2c4have you ever worked with telepathy-qt4?16:50
zx2c4im having trouble getting it set up inside the sdk16:50
DocScrutinizernot really16:50
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: What is not obvious for end users like me? :P16:51
DrGrovzx2c4: Ah, you are the guy behind vcardconverter and vcardimport?16:52
zx2c4no, i wrote vcardexport16:52
zx2c4the reverse of vcardconverter16:53
zx2c4i wanted a way to get vcards outta the n95016:53
DrGrovzx2c4: I had issues last night with my N9 to get in contacts but I eventually skipped your nice tool because I needed to reformat the layout of the contacts. But now I have the set up properly so I can use vcardconverter for later next time :)16:53
DocScrutinizerfsckng 2011-40.4 and beyond obviously doesn't offer any way to import vcards via GUI (as you already noticed but just mentioned on your webpage in a sub-sentence)16:56
DocScrutinizer>> IMPORT VCARDS (.vcf files): open terminal, type "vcardconverter path/to/file.vcf" <<16:58
DocScrutinizeris missing on your webpage ;-D16:58
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DrGrovzx2c4: I would definitely suggest to put that what DocScrutinizer is suggesting since without him I would not have figured out how to use vcardconverter17:10
DrGrovzx2c4: Would it be possible to make a tool that creates one big .vcf file out of all the vCards that a user gets when importing as a file the contacts he/she has?17:12
DrGrovzx2c4: I used Google contacts to export my vCard and thus making all my contacts as one big .vcf file so it was easier to import but I bet it makes it difficult for users to import several vCards if he/she does not know how to do it.17:13
DrGrovSorry, I mean exporting contacts as a file and thus making it all contacts as separate .vcf files17:14
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Happy to say that we got it working yesterday this vcardconverter thingie :)17:14
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: what zx2c4 published on that website is exactly such a tool that creates one big aggregated .vcf of all your contacts on device17:15
admiral0hello people17:15
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: [2012-01-15 15:52:53] <zx2c4> no, i wrote vcardexport17:16
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: and my oneliner in that pastebin I posted URL above will happily import all the .vcf it finds in Contacts/ dir17:17
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ah yes my mistake. Sorry about that. Miscommunication at its worst.17:18
DocScrutinizer(will happily import all) except of course when last_name/filename contains such rogue chars like ¿  X-P17:19
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: That oneliner was a good thing that you showed. Should this guide be put to perhaps for further assistance to others? Perhaps a mention about making a proper layout of the contacts first and removing rogue chars from names in order to make it working properly. Since you remember I had issues with the Contacts app itself of not running anymore after I closed it because of those rogue chars. But now when I g17:20
DrGrovot it worked out it seems to be fine since there are no more rogue chars.17:20
DocScrutinizergood finding17:20
DocScrutinizerso yes, it might be useful as a tmo or fmc post17:21
DocScrutinizerI'm not too much interested in *that* kind of support for HARM though17:21
DrGrovWas it so that it did not import for you either the contacts if there were rogue chars?17:21
DocScrutinizerI haven't even tried IMport as there'S no natural way to create a .vcf with rogue char17:22
DocScrutinizererr scratch that17:22
DrGrovYes, sorry export that is. So with rogue chars it is impossible to get the contacts even exported.17:22
DocScrutinizeryes, kinda17:23
DocScrutinizerI can't get thius shit sorted even after 12h17:23
DrGrovWith contacts youj mean?17:23
DocScrutinizeranyway unusual chars in last_name (also firstname, combined name?) will cuase "can't export contacts"17:24
DocScrutinizerin contacts app17:24
DocScrutinizerand IMport doesn't even show up as option on  2011-40.4+17:24
DocScrutinizerobviously * is a 'rogue char' in last_name, while ¿ doesn't block exporting but gives STRANGE results with vcardconverter17:25
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DocScrutinizerso a good advise might be to only use US-ASCII in contacts records, at least for all *name* fields17:26
DrGrovI found that names with "&", "-" are not good names. Seems like invalid chars17:27
DrGrovI used an empty space for & and just empty space as well for -17:27
DocScrutinizeryes, those are chars known to conflict with VFAT17:27
DrGrovSo it seemed to be a much better way and absolutely no rogue chars or invalid chars that way17:27
DrGrovThe Swedish & Finnish Å,Ä,Ö å,ä,ö it recognized without issues17:27
DocScrutinizerthose may cause the vcardconverter issue though17:28
DocScrutinizeras seen last 2 lines in my pastebin17:28
DocScrutinizerlike ¿17:28
DrGrovFor me it imported all contacts from my contacts.vcf even though I have a few persons with either å,ä,ö as their name17:29
DocScrutinizerthe most silly thing about all that is: NAME of .vcf file is basically completely irrelevant17:29
DrGrovSo it imports properly the 39 contacts I had with vcardconverter when the name was contacts.vcf17:29
DrGrovYeah, that is true. I had issues many times because of the name of the file.17:29
DrGrovBut luckily it was easy to get Google contacts via browser and type in the right ones and remove &, - and other weird charachters and leave just empty spaces in place of those17:30
DocScrutinizerso if only the export function of contacts app would care to strip all 'strange chars" from name¿.vcf it creates, everything was way more easy17:30
DrGrovYeah, that would make it easy. And create the contacts entries from the name and info found on the vCard just as empty spaces where there was supposed to be "strange chars"17:31
DocScrutinizerit could as well name the .vcf like 0001.vcf, 0002.vcf, just it'd be a lil bit less convenient for user to tell which file has which contact data17:32
DocScrutinizeranyway zx2c4 vcard-export tool should kill the issue for good17:32
DrGrovSorry Doc, I gotta be away from keyboard for 30 minutes :/17:32
* DocScrutinizer too17:33
* DrGrov says bye to DocScrutinizer and hopes to see him soon :)17:33
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RST38h"Are you annoyed that the built in calculator on N9 can't take the square root? Do you find scientific calculator apps too complex with too many functions? Here's the solution: a calculator that can ONLY take the square root." <== WTF?18:17
admiral0RST38h: that dude is a genius18:18
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admiral0RST38h: is this in ovi store?18:22
RST38hdunno, probably18:22
admiral0i have one application waiting for approval18:22
admiral0let's hope it'll get approved monday18:22
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Avengencereading scrollback and see the mentions of tracker... no wonder i get such a mess with pictures. i put mine on but i get a mess of example shit and wallpaper and such. damn that's stupid18:30
Avengencealso, that contacts can't export for shit and makes broken filenames.. WTF!?! you'd think the finns with crazy characters in their names would test that shit. then again, i got java code from some finns that wrote strange comments and didnt use utf8 when saving so javac just barfs on them. obviously no testing18:31
pawkyHas anyone succeeded to use apt-mark on the phone?18:32
pawkyIts installed, but when trying to use it, it complains about some python-apt not being installed... which does not exist as an install option in the repository18:33
DrGrovAvengence: The contacts do work with Å, Ä and Ö in them. As long as no special/weird/rogue chars are there then no problem.18:58
pawkyok... lets try another question then.... where can I find tools like telnet or nc (netcat)18:58
DrGrovAvengence: I tested that thoroughly yesterday with success at the end. Had a contact with & in it that made it impossible. So a visit to Google contacts and make them proper there removing all &, - and so forth and putting blank spaces instead made it work wonderful.18:59
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DrGrovThe Contacts app crashed on me numerous times because of those special chars I had there. & and -. But now when they are as blank space it works much better. No Contacts app crashing and refusing to start yet.19:00
DrGrovJust thought I'd mention, my 0.02 cents19:00
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DrGrovEx. I had C&A before but renamed it to C A instead and no problems19:01
Avengencesounds like tracker is backwards. should have inclusion list rather than exclusion list. much easier to manage19:01
DrGrovI had the feeling when Contacts app was refusing to open that something is seriously wrong19:04
DrGrovApparently that name changing into just letters made it work properly19:04
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DrGrovGood lesson to have in the baggage. A perfect made contact list as a result.19:05
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DrGrovI gotta share my current wallpaper I have on the N9 in portrait mode. I used the original size but sized it just before the little annoying text in the right bottom corner fullways up. So it does not have irritating text.19:08
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DrGrovWhere should I put it? What is a good imagehosting site that you guys would recommend?19:08
Avengence DrGrov: i have a pile of contacts with & in the name (lots of people with shared landline)19:11
DrGrovAvengence: And it works for you still even though?19:11
DrGrovAvengence: Have you managed to export them as a file?19:11
Avengencei haven't even gotten to importing my contacts...19:11
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Avengenceit doesn't sync with anything in any useul way so I have not crossed that bridge so to say19:12
DrGrovAvengence: Ok. I see. You got them on your SIM card?19:12
Avengenceno, i just don't have to make many calls so i just use the call log and my memory to pick them out19:12
Avengenceand i look on the laptop for those i haven't called before19:12
DrGrovOk, I would still though suggest to make those contacts that you now have in a proper form though. Then export them as a file and if needed use the terminal and get them back with the command "vcardconverter path/to/file.vcf"19:14
Avengencei wouldn't trust google with my contact list even before they stole my account, i don't have an exchange server, not using any of the other social/clooud crapfests. Nokia, gimme carddav ffs!19:14
DrGrovOk, roger that :)19:14
Avengenceproper form is how i have them. any compromise for the phone's contact app being shit is improper19:14
MohammadAGI find Fremantle's contacts app better19:15
Avengenceright now my contacts list is a mix of skype, aim and icq contacts (but 3 icq accounts show only as numbers instead of nick for no apparent reason)19:15
DrGrovI have my contact list as a backup on Google. But I only have a Google account for that purpose but now when I come to think about it I could just remove my Google account since I got them pulled from there in a perfect way and form19:15
DrGrovIt might be shitty yes but a bit of tweaking is just good to have. Unfortunately since there is not that much documentation available it becomes a PITA from time to time but eventually it will work.19:17
DrGrovPerhaps the N9 is not suited for everyone it seems. Got a friend of my cousin that actually liked the phone very much it seemed when talking with my cousin but I saw him the other day and he wanted to sell it to me but I went for a new N9 instead19:18
Avengencehow stong is the debian/ubuntu requirement for qtsdk for linux and platform sdk? I'd rather stick with gentoo19:20
DrGrovWTF? I can run the qtsdk and platform sdk on Ubuntu? Hmm... Interesting19:21
mgedminDrGrov, why do you say that?  I'm running both on Ubuntu19:22
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mgedminthe qt sdk installer/update tool has a niiiiiice theming bug that makes it unusable19:22
DrGrovCan someone explain what icon I got by enabling developer mode to get the terminal for last nights contacts episode? Something SDK but have not dared to open it :/19:22
mgedminunless you know you have to launch it with -style cleanlooks19:22
DrGrovmgedmin: I did not know I could get it natively to run with Ubuntu19:22
mgedminI misread your "wtf" comment as "can't"!19:22
mgedmindon't know why19:22
mgedminreading comprehension fail19:22
DrGrovI got 2 icons at the bottom, terminal and SDK something. What does that SDK thing do actually?19:23
DrGrovIs that the Platform SDK that showed up?19:23
DrGrovSince apparently I just got 2 new icons, did not go back into Security - Developer Mode and did anything afterwards. Just did it to get the terminal in order to import my contacts properly19:24
mgedminon the n9? that's the SDK Connectivity Tool19:24
mgedminit changes the password for the 'developer' account to a random string when you run it19:25
mgedminor something like that19:25
DrGrovmgedmin: Ah, yes. The N9. Okay, now that explains it. It is called SDK Connectivity Tool.19:25
mgedminyou use it together with Qt Creator on your development machine (laptop/desktop) so that Qt Creator can do things like remote debugging19:25
mgedminor just deploy apps directly to the device over ssh19:25
DrGrovOk, I think I will not be needing it but can not harm to have it there?19:26
DrGrovIt harms or does not harm to be there?19:27
DrGrovI am again having problems to read properly, my apologies :/19:28
DrGrovmgedmin: So you mean having the SDK Connectivity Tool there does not harm?19:29
mgedminno harm19:29
pawkyok... lets try another question... Could anybody help me out here a bit? I am not sure if my phone is fully working or not. Trying to use internet radio, it only seem to work when connected to wifi, has anyone here succeeded to listen to internet radio through 3g? If so, what softy, and what station?19:30
DrGrovGood good, I just did not notice it until last night a few hours after I did it so I got surprised. I think I will just leave the icon at the bottom like I have Facebook and Twitter as well. Do not use them at all so :)19:30
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DrGrovmgedmin: You think an average N9 user will need the terminal little or quite much? If I want to do some tweaking I need the terminal yes? Anything else than the terminal I need to get if I want to tweak the N9 settings etc. ?19:34
pawkyNow what... doesn't route exist as a command in busybox???19:35
pawkyhuh... needs full path... :-)19:35
DrGrovHow come sometimes when starting my phone I do not get 3G/3.5G enabled directly? Do I always need to go then and turn it on? Should that not be automatic? When I restart the phone then I seem to get it. Or is it a lag of the service provider?19:36
pawkyshould be automatic..19:36
pawkymight depend on how strong the signal is....19:37
mgedminDrGrov, define "average N9 user"19:37
pawkyjust came from a café where the difference between 2g or 3g, whas lifting the phone 20 cm up or down from the table...19:37
pawkyDrGrov: ^^19:38
mgedminI am a linux nutcase; I wouldn't buy a smartphone if it didn't have a terminal19:38
mgedminI want to ssh to servers and edit files in vi (vim, really)19:38
mgedminnormal people? "what's a terminal?"19:38
pawkymgedmin: well... thats not a definition of a Linux nutcase per see....19:38
mgedminno, just a consequence of me being one ;)19:38
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pawkymgedmin: There's no trouble installing a terminal in Android...19:39
mgedminthat's nice19:39
pawkythe problem is when you want to do anything within the terminal..19:39
mgedmindoes it have vim?19:39
pawkyI think so... was a while ago...19:39
pawkywell.. not vim.. vi19:39
mgedmincan I write shell scripts that wrap 'ssh' and call 'ssh-add' if I don't have any keys?19:39
mgedminick, vi19:39
mgedminI want my syntax highlighting damnit :)19:39
pawkyagain.. your definition was if it had a terminal...19:39
mgedminand also xterm mouse support19:40
pawkynow, you are pointing to what I have been writing...19:40
mgedminso I can jump to a place in text by tapping19:40
pawkyagain... re-read what you wrote first...19:40
pawkyhaving a terminal or not, isn't the definition if its a show stopper or not... its what you can do within the terminal.. as you are pointing out now...19:40
DrGrovmgedmin: I am just wondering what made my cousin's friend to try and sell his N9 to me? It was a red 16GB version19:40
mgedminpawky, I see your point19:40
pawkymgedmin: thank you...19:41
mgedminDrGrov, lack of apps in Ovi Store, maybe?19:41
mgedmin"all my friends are playing this nice multi-player Android game, and I can't participate :("?19:41
mgedminI was kind of annoyed a month ago when I searched for barcode scanners and found 019:41
mgedminnow there's MeeScan19:41
DrGrovpawky: So it is just my service provider that is lagging its ass after and not giving me 3G/3.5G directly? I get it though after rebooting, tried it because I thought it was some issue. Then it works with 3G/3.5G normally19:42
DrGrovmgedmin: Perhaps yes that is the reason. Strange though, perhaps he was not finding the phone to be so easy...19:42
pawkyDrGrov: Well.. without knowing the full inner structure of the N9, i presume it uses more power when doing the initial connection, compared to when trying to uphold the connection later on... (due to power saving)19:43
DrGrovpawky: Ah yes, so I get the 3G/3.5G after a while and then it only uses it when needed. That is how you mean?19:44
pawkyis there anyone in here, that could try some internet radio using 3g?... I am trying to figure out why my phone only could connect using Wifi....19:44
DrGrovIt does the blueish the 3G/3.5G symbol from time to time. Perhaps just updating my nice home town weather? :)19:44
pawkyDrGrov: no... when you boot, the phone will use a strong signal to connect, and you get 3g... then it will go into some weaker power saving mode, that will be a bit to weak for 3g.. and you get 2g..19:45
pawkywhat happens if you force it to use 3g only?19:46
DrGrovpawky: Well I do not see any data symbol for 2G. GRPS is shown as what and EDGE shown as what? GRPS = G and EDGE = E ?19:46
pawkyI'll bet you will drain your battery quite a bit faster than expected..19:46
pawkyif you are running 3g... it will have a blue little dot saying 3(g?), and 3.5 if you use it...19:47
DrGrovAs I said, I do get 3G/3.5G then if I wait now. I tested it yesterday because I did a reboot to confirm.19:47
pawkyother wise it will state 2g19:47
DrGrovWell I do not see any data symbol at all for 2G. But I now get 3G/3.5G if I wait a bit after the phone has started up.19:47
JareIF packet data is enabled, it will show a 2g, 2.5g, 3g or 3.5g icon, otherwise there won't be any icon in the status bar19:48
pawkythen you run 3g...19:48
DrGrovI sometimes even have 3.5G in standby without data moving19:48
pawkyJare: ahh.. yeah.. that might be it..19:48
DrGrovJare: Ah okay. So when I confirmed by rebooting and having 3G/3.5G then it is automatic and I do not need to touch the setting yes?19:49
pawkywhich is logical, as you dont really need 3g when speaking to people..19:49
DrGrovJare: What if I put it on manually when it seems to take long to get it and then turn off the phone? Will it still be automatically picking up 3G/3.5G after the reboot?19:49
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pawkyCome on... couldn't anybody try to connect with 3g, and listen a few seconds on some internet radio to confirm that some app could do this?.. and if so, which app, and what station?19:50
Jarewell I would assume it already uses a 3g network. As I said the icon is just an indication that a packet data connection is enabled19:51
DrGrovJare: I mean 3G/3.5G will show up always, depending on time delay of course ?19:51
mgedminpawky, tell me how I can listen to internet radio on my n9, and I'll do that experiment for you19:51
DrGrovOk, so packet data connection is working always even though I went and put it on manually? It will still have it as priority to use it after a reboot?19:51
DrGrovI have the phone set to dual mode19:51
DrGrovI mean it will pick it up automatically next time I start the phone even though I went and selected it from the drop down menu on the start screen?19:52
pawkymgedmin: well.. you need to install a internet radio app... I got two of them... one free from market called "internet radio", and the other "internet radio player"19:52
mgedminpawky, which one is not crap?19:52
pawkymgedmin: then just take some radio channel, and listen...  remember which and tell me abou tit..19:53
pawkymgedmin: both are very ok.. :-)19:53
mgedminI would prefer 'excellent', but 'ok' will do19:53
pawkymgedmin: the first, you have all normal radio stations etc... which is cool... and the other has the "Digitally Imported" list.. which is also cool... amongst others..19:53
pawkymgedmin: ok.. both are excellent..19:53
pawkymgedmin: start with the first.. lots of fun stuff..19:54
pawkyI also like the "digitally imported" list... but I believe thats on the other one..  :-)19:54
pawkyIn my case, none of them work over 3g on  the N9... but they work when using Wifi...19:55
pawkyThus I am trying to figure out if its a limitation in the softies or if its about routing or something..19:55
pawkyMy ISP, do have the ports open, which is confirmed using telnet...19:57
mgedmin1st experiment: wifi, "M1 Plius" (a local Lithuanian radio station): semi-crappy app, no sound plays when my profile is "Silent"; starts playing when I change profile to 'Beep'19:57
mgedmin2nd experiment: wifi, Internet Radio Player19:57
pawkyand you are sure you are not using Wifi?19:58
mgedmin"global tamil radio" was the default station for some reason19:58
mgedminit plays (over wifi, yes)19:58
mgedminI'm being methodical19:58
mgedminestablishing baselines19:58
mgedminnow I switch to 3g19:58
mgedmin2.5g actually, apparently, in this basement apartment19:59
* pawky is eagerly awaiting the results19:59
mgedmin"Could not play stream!"19:59
pawkyWeird, ha?...19:59
pawkyit is..19:59
* mgedmin curses ovi store slowness19:59
pawkywell.. you use 2.5g... what did you expect ;-)20:00
mgedmin"Radio M-1 Plius" hides the statusbar, so I can't see the time or my 2.5g status, grr20:00
pawkyi think that "internet radio" is a cool app..20:00
pawkyif it did work that is..20:00
mgedminbut it plays over 2.5g20:00
pawkydid you try that other one?...20:00
mgedminIP radio?20:01
mgedminnot yet20:01
pawkythe internet "internet radio player"..20:01
* pawky is eagerly awaiting the results20:01
mgedminaugh, all islamic radio stations20:01
mgedminwhere does it think I live?20:01
pawkyare you sure its the same app?20:01
mgedmin"Sunni Global V", "Hindi Desi Bolly", "Desi", "Kerala", "Kerala Islamic", "Kerala Malabar", "Al Islah Radio","BBS Arabic", "Cheat Radio"20:02
mgedminare the picks20:02
* mgedmin selects location: Lithuania20:02
mgedminok, radio plays20:02
pawkythe last one is kind of very pink in colour20:02
mgedminyeah, very pink20:02
mgedminat first it was like "Unable to play song"20:03
pawkythe first one is blue...20:03
mgedminbut then, while I was typing here, it started playing20:03
pawkyor.. looking like the music player..20:03
mgedminfullscreen app also20:03
pawkylook if you have reconnected to wifi?20:03
mgedminif I swipe down I see I'm still on 2.5g20:03
pawkywhat channel are you listening to?20:03
mgedminthe radio I tried was "M1" from Lithuania (second from top)20:03
pawkycan you see bbc on the list?20:04
pawkyand Digitally imported?20:04
mgedminwhere should I look?20:05
mgedmin"Hot Picks", "Locations", "Language", "Genre", four tabs on the bottom20:05
mgedminhot picks is full of Indian and Arabic stations20:06
pawkyhmm.. lets see if we can onfirm you are using the same app...20:06
pawkycheck about...20:06
mgedmin"IP radio", blue icon with silver ancient radio transmitter20:06
pawky(on the pink one) Internet radio player 1.0.2  copyright Giovanni Grammatico20:07
mgedminovi store calls it "Internet Radio"20:07
pawkyok.. thats the other one..20:07
pawkythe "blue" button, right?20:07
mgedminthe other one was "Internet Radio Player", with a white globe on magenta background20:07
mgedminand now I'm on wifi again for no reason20:08
* mgedmin switches to 3g20:08
pawkyit will choose wifi, if possible.. I think its a config thing..20:08
mgedminyeah it searches for wifi like very 10 minutes20:09
mgedmin"Internet Radio Player", bbc 5 live, just played a few words20:09
mgedminand went silenbt20:09
pawkyok.... now I have a reference at least...20:09
mgedminnow I hit play again and "unable to play stream"20:09
* mgedmin hits stop, then play20:10
pawkymgedmin:  aha... weird..20:10
mgedminit plays again20:10
mgedmin... still talking ...20:10
mgedmin... still talking ...20:10
pawkymgedmin: ok, thank you for testing... I will fiddle a bit with it. and see what I can figure out..20:10
mgedmingood luck!20:10
pawkythanks :-)20:10
* mgedmin now has internet radio -- yay20:11
mgedminbut the only local radio station I'm interested in (Opus 3) is not there -- boo :(20:11
mgedminand they are streaming something over IP; I once spent ages figuring out the right URL for mplayer20:11
pawkymgedmin: :-)20:13
DocScrutinizerrst (calculator) MUHAHAHAHA20:14
minimecmgedmin: mms://
DocScrutinizerRST38h: ^^^20:15
mgedminminimec, it no longer works20:15
mgedminnow I have to use
mgedminoh, wait20:15
mgedminthe one that no longer works was mms://
mgedmindifferent IP!20:15
minimechmmm.. I just opened that url and it works on my desktop with totem.20:16
mgedminI see all the .wax does is redirect mplayer to mms://
mgedminso yeah20:17
minimecmgedmin: Youshould be able to create a radio station with a working url using MeeRadio
mgedminin an ideal world I shouldn't have to type in radio URLs into apps; they should download working lists from the internets20:18
mgedminbut thanks anyway ;)20:18
mgedmincan MeeRadio pay ASF streams?20:18
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minimecI don't know that. I am a new N9 user and just looked for some Internet Radio solution. IP Radio fits quiet good for Europe but I might create some missing stations with MeeRadio.20:21
minimecmgedmin: ovi store <-- Supports local and remote M3U, PLS playlists, HTTP(S) and MMS streams.20:22
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pawkymgedmin: did you get that other internet radio to work with 3g?20:52
mgedminall three radio apps I tried worked with 3g20:53
mgedminalthough one of them had sporadic "unable to play stream" errors20:53
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mgedminbut pressing stop and then play made it reconsider, apparently20:53
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TurboVomitdo you know that ?21:16
TurboVomita n9 with a mini keyboard ?21:17
DocScrutinizerthat's no N921:19
DocScrutinizereither a fake, or maybe a hooker90021:19
npmAnybody know about running "SpeechControl" on the N9 (see for details)21:23
TurboVomitDocScrutinizer  Ok, so it's not a n932 or either a nokia21:27
DocScrutinizerTurboVomit: I've never seen this device21:34
DocScrutinizercould be everything, though looks like a WinPhone21:35
DocScrutinizerthus I suspected it's maybe hooker90021:35
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djszapi -> Is there such an N9 application in Ovi store ? :)21:47
djszapimanic mode rocks xDDddd21:48
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pawkyso, has anyone succeeded to use apt-mark ?21:58
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griThe Qt "Animated tiles" demo runs fluently on nitdroid on my n900 *impressed*22:05
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DrGrovShould the N9 last with idle + 3G and data on + 2 missed calls for at least 2-3 days?22:25
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DrGrovDoes the devmode enabling make the battery drain faster marginally or substanially?22:26
pawkyduh.... whats the syntax on the sources.list in the N9? I thougth It would be good old Debian...22:26
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: aiui it shouldn't have any impact on energy consumption23:00
DocScrutinizerexcept *maybe* for running sshd server, which shouldn't eat much cpu cycles and thus enery at all, when running idle23:01
DocScrutinizerdunno if more verbose logging eats some 0/00 of energy23:02
Piruwell even with sshd the default port 22 is bloked from the inet23:08
Piruwith iptables23:08
Piruone of the reasons I chose to run it in another port23:09
jonniDrGrov: idle battery usage varies quite much depending on backgroup tcp/ip trafic and radio powers, usually I charge my N9 everynight even if I dont make any phonecalls, since email etc eat battery quite much on me. But yes usually idle lasts 1-2 days for me.23:11
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