IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2012-01-14

DocScrutinizerAvengence: indeed, a pity. I always suggest you start with assembler00:00
DocScrutinizeronce you managed to code a simple "game of life" in asm, you'll appreciate symbolic vars and strong types and subroutines/functions, and esp complex math terms in high level lang00:02
DocScrutinizerstructured code like if then else, case, etc :-)00:03
DocScrutinizerif you want the worst of all, start with basic and you're spoiled for lifetime00:03
DocScrutinizerstart with OO and you'll never get the grasp on what a CPU is actually doing, resulting in idiot coders creating an object for each single char of a text in an editor, and then complaining why this hw is SOOOOO slow FFS!!1!11!eleven!!00:05
griPlease tell that my java professor00:05
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Avengenceobjects are nice but overrated00:06
ajalkaneI don't think you can learn to code in school. You might get some impetus for it in there, but it requires passion to do it in free time to learn it really00:07
Avengencestarting with asm is rough. starting somewhere close to it and then learning how the compiler does it and what it looks like in asm is good00:07
DocScrutinizerwell, actually I didn't start with true asm, but with HP-25 code00:08
Avengencei've not written a compiler, just studied the ideas in a class on the subject. i've seen more of how they work by digging through more disassemblies than i wish i had to during debugging00:08
DocScrutinizernot much of a difference to asm though00:09
DocScrutinizerjust simpler00:09
DocScrutinizerless opcodes00:09
DocScrutinizerplus a few high level "libraries" you could use00:09
DocScrutinizerZ80 assembler felt absolutely natural to me then00:10
Avengencein the compilrs/interpreters class, I had to write a simplistic matlab clone as the practical interpreter. supports basic array and scalar operations, variables, functions with recursion, and a handful of easy array operations but lacks the huge library of functions real matlab has00:10
DocScrutinizerand I had to write down the hex codes next to the mnemonics, and calculate the jump distances myself, all on a paper with pencil XD00:11
DocScrutinizeras that "computer" had a monitor ROM that was 1k size00:11
DocScrutinizeror was it 2k?00:11
DocScrutinizerat least not much moe than a memory dumper and editor00:11
DocScrutinizermuch like m8000:12
Avengencefirst computer i had was atari800 with the 8k rom basic interpreter. so not too complex to learn it all, and i had the os rom maps so i could play around in there. i didnt have the asm cart so i had to write machine language by hand from the reference manual when I needed to do something beyond waht basic could00:12
Avengencegetting a 'real' computer with C was a huge leap00:12
DocScrutinizerwell, my first basic interpreter was tinyBASIC with only integer arithmetics, and I hacked it into that Z80 computer by myself in one afternoon00:13
DocScrutinizerhex byte by byte00:14
* gri feels too young in here00:14
DocScrutinizeractually I hacked it in in a mornig, and after lunch I wrote a tiny asm code to compare memory to what I type and beep on errors, and made my girlfriend read the whole hex listing again while I proof-typed it00:15
Avengencenow i've got a phone with more cpu power, memory and storage than the first few PCs I had, not to mention better graphics (slightly lower res but better color depth, and the speeed) and sound output00:16
DocScrutinizerI guess the raw grunt and RAM of my first comuter now is embedded in accelerometer chip's controller ;-D00:16
* faenil is younger than gri, so he feels yet younger in here XD00:17
* ajalkane just feels ignorant00:17
* admiral0 feels young.. pentium 3 as first CPU00:18
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griadmiral0, wtf?00:18
AvengenceI have to wonder, has anyone put effort into making N9(50) self-hosting for it's own development? (full  toolchain with qtsdk)00:18
admiral0gri: ?00:18
faenilI played with CM64 and Amiga as my first toys00:18
ieatlintadmiral0: he means you are really young00:18
faenildid CM64 use basic? I seem to remember that00:19
admiral0i'm 23. started late with computers...00:19
Avengencefirst IBM PC had a 486, but first computer had a 1mhz 6502 with 48Kram and 10k osrom00:19
jonniAvengence: no since there is not enough ram to compile big projects00:19
* gri had a 80286 with 30 mb hdd! :)00:19
DocScrutinizer  XD00:19
faenilmy first pc was a 90mhz Pentium 1, where I used to play The Simpsons, I remember Bart going up the buildings with his skate :)00:19
admiral0Avengence: you want self-hosting n9?00:20
admiral0install sdk packages00:20
admiral0enjoy the bloat00:20
Avengencejonni: i can't imagine it takes THAT much ram to compile with qtsdk, but I've not monitored it closely00:20
DocScrutinizerand continued at
faenilDoc: ahahahah00:21
Avengenceadmiral0: just for fun.. I have 64GB storage that is mostly empty00:21
admiral0hmm could do a toolchain00:21
jonniAvengence: for example compiling qtwebkit take 1+GB RAM when linking, it fails to link if there is under gig free ram.00:21
jonniso you never are able to compile qtwebkit inside N900:22
faenilDoc: about your ideas on school path...we started with C + ML at uni00:22
faenilsecond year CPU arch + ASM (DRISC)00:22
Avengencejonni: i didn't mean to compile the n9 os itself (maybe self hosting was wrong term to use) but just to be able to do development of apps for it without any other computer involved00:22
admiral0faenil: we did useless m68k...00:23
* ieatlint learnt c via online guides a merge 9 years ago00:24
jonniAvengence: thats not compiling the os, just example of big project, there are lots of oss projects that take too much ram during linking. Yes for small 3rd party app there is probably enough ram to get it compiled.00:24
ieatlintwrote an aol im client with ncurses00:24
ieatlintfirst real app00:24
jonniAvengence: bug answer to your question there is no native toolchain available, nobody is stopping you to compile gcc/toolchain yourself though.00:24
admiral0first piece of real code - js presentation engine00:25
Avengencejonni: since you mentioned qtwebkit, which is already present, i was thinking you meant for compiling sdk from sources on n900:25
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admiral0there mas nothing like that anywhere00:25
faenilfirst piece of real code - multithreaded client-server local messaging service, for a uni exam00:26
faenilmultithread with posix pthreads00:26
Avengencethinking about how little ram was in the first system I compiled freebsd kernel and world on, it seems crazy to think anything needs 1gb ram to link, but then there's openoffice as the example of just how stupidly big a project can be00:26
DocScrutinizerMy CV has "interactive display for airports etc, using touchscreen, embedded content much like HTML, in pre-mosaic times"00:26
DocScrutinizerooh sorry, probably nobody but me knows in here what's mosaic00:27
grincsa mosaic :)00:27
* admiral0 thinks this will turn in "whose dick is bigger" game in 3.. 2.. 1..00:27
AvengenceDocScrutinizer: i used mosaic. it was crap00:27
DocScrutinizeryep :-D00:27
faeniladmiral0: too late :D00:28
faenilwanna join? XD00:28
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admiral0faenil: no, you would loose XD00:28
faenildammit xD00:29
Avengenceadmiral0 made me do it00:29
faenilok this is the right moment to ask a question :D00:29
faeniland now don't tell me none knows the answer :D00:29
faenilI am painting a 3d model with a QDeclItem00:29
faenilso that I can use the glview in QML00:29
ieatlintAvengence: mine's longer00:29
marsjeCan anyone explain me what the difference is between a patch and unpatched open-mode kernel for the N9?00:30
faenilproblem is, when I don't draw the UI and set the glview as fullscreen00:30
faenil(better say, set the QDeclItem as fullscreen)00:30
DocScrutinizerI'm using technology X-P00:30
faenilI get 36fps00:30
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: 8==============================>00:30
faenilwhen I draw the UI (2 toolbars + listview with tabbar)00:30
faenilthus resizing the QDeclItem which paints the 3d Model00:31
faenilI get 22fps!!!00:31
faenilhow is such a slowdown possible? How I can fix that?00:31
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: more like you just used an inanimate object to make it grow00:31
faenilIt seems the UI is redrawn at each paint00:31
faeniland that's useles!!00:31
ieatlintbut hey, whatever floats your boat00:31
faenilis there anything I can do?00:31
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ieatlintaww, you stopped before you got kicked for flooding00:32
DocScrutinizerindeed :-D00:33
Avengencegood for the logs00:33
DocScrutinizerthough *flooding*? MEH00:33
* faenil feels people just set the ignore flag on him xD00:33
Avengenceflooding: 8====.nnnn=> ~~~~00:33
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DocScrutinizerfaenil: sorry, I got my Friday night silly 5 min :-)00:33
faenilDoc: ahaha :D00:34
faenilwe got some ascii experts here xD00:34
DocScrutinizerfaenil: say the magic word and I'll happily +q whomever goes OT00:34
Avengencei'm just kiilling time while waiting between steps (baking bread)00:35
faenilDoc: 8==========D00:35
faenilgot it? XD00:35
faenilahahah....pleeeease :D00:35
DocScrutinizerOT is the magic word00:35
faenilouch :P00:35
faenilOT: copy-paste00:35
Avengence+q is freenode equiv of -v in a +m chan?00:36
DocScrutinizerso please gentlemen (I doubt ladies are still around) - let's return to this chan's topic00:36
DocScrutinizerAvengence: yes, basically00:37
admiral0lol, i started it00:37
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admiral0there was some news somewhere about PR1.2 being out. Is it a lie?00:38
faenilDoc: :)00:39
faenilDoc: got any idea?00:39
DocScrutinizerfaenil: yur first reasonable sentence about "painting a 3d model with a QDeclItem" was just same moment admiral0 started painting ASCII gfx, so it got lost in OT noise ;-)00:39
faeniloh ok :D00:39
DocScrutinizerand sorry but nfc about QDeclItem here00:40
DocScrutinizerask me about soldering SMT00:41
DocScrutinizeror about kernel stuff00:41
grifaenil, the qml mailing lists may help00:41
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nekustfu adlan00:41
DocScrutinizeror about general system architecture aspects00:41
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faenilgri: yeah...that's my last shore I think...00:41
faenilnone seems to be able to help me about that thing :D00:41
grifaenil, If you want a reply from the developers themselves, go for the mailinglist :)00:42
Avengenceadmiral0: the dev blog doesn't mention PR1.2 release, but they do mention that sdl is available for PR1.2...00:42
Avengencenot sure if that's a roundabout way to say it's available00:43
faeniljust as an info: 42-44 fps on Java+NDK, and 36fps on Qt for Android00:43
admiral0preenv, anybody?00:43
faenilsame c++ rendering code00:43
Avengenceiirc, I got the PR1.1 OTA update before the blog mentioned it was out00:43
Avengenceadmiral0: sdl = simple direct-media layer. used for games, video players, etc. useful for cross platform stuff and also used a lot for porting games to linux/mac00:44
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admiral0Avengence: sdl==preenv porting possible from n90000:44
Avengencepreenv = ?00:45
admiral0preenv = compatibility layer for sdl programs for webos00:45
admiral0games: the sims, assassin's creed, monopoly, Nova00:46
Avengencealso means now easier to port stuff like duke nukem 3D00:47
admiral0also doom, and other sdl - gles games00:48
DocScrutinizerwait for javispedro to join00:48
Avengenceso he can tell us the goodies not in the announcement?00:48
jpwhitingAvengence: which dev blog?00:49
DocScrutinizerell, I know sdl and preenv both by him00:49
jpwhitingah, ok gotcha00:50
Iktwothey should include the javispedro's fm app too00:52
jpwhitingAvengence: it doesn't say PR 1.2 there, but MeeGo 1.200:52
jpwhitingwhich we already have...00:52
jonniMeego 1.2 means Harmattan PR1.000:53
Avengencedamnit, i misread that after admiral0 got my hopes up00:53
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DocScrutinizer~seen javispedro00:54
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 2h 49m 21s ago, saying: 'that's automatic accoustic management aka hdparm -M'.00:54
* admiral0 loves to crush random people's hopes muahaha00:55
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* Avengence was hoping PR1.2 would be here to magically fix the messageserver brokenness so he doesn't have to take the google account off the phone to have working email00:57
* Avengence is also hoping for some carddav love00:58
faenilfixing the popup arch would make my day :)00:59
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Avengencewhat I should be doing is working on the synaptics touchpad driver so this stupid laptop can stop pissing me off so readily01:00
faenilscrolling with the touchpad freezes the whole system at times01:01
faeniland then the input focusing is screwed after it gets back to life01:01
faenillike It ignores top windows01:01
faeniland sends input to bottom ones..01:01
faenilXOrg.0.log reports "EQ overflowing.."01:02
Avengenceit seems impossible to disable tap-click completely with the current driver regardless what values i use01:02
faenil"the server could be stuck in an infinite loop"01:02
ZogG_laptopi'm tierd01:07
ZogG_laptopanyone checked google+ api? is it me or it's really half ready?01:09
mgoetzAvengence: what laptop do you have?01:13
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Avengencemgoetz: HP G6201:19
Avengenceits a cheapie I bought for the wife to email and read news, but mine died last week so now we havfe to share this one01:20
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faenilso it seems like I can't set a glwidget as a viewport and update only part of the viewport?01:54
faenilmy 3d model is redrawn now, the rest of the UI is not, and all is black but the 3d model01:54
faenilunless I scroll the listview01:54
faenilin which case the listview is redrawn with visible flickering01:55
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rafael2khi there people02:22
rafael2kIm very happy I discovered how to install skype in my n950!02:23
rafael2kbtw, have anybody sent back to nokia the N950 because of hardware problems?02:23
rafael2kmine have lots of dead pixels...02:23
ZogG_laptoprafael2k: i know at least one person who did it02:25
SpeedEvilZogG_laptop: two02:27
SpeedEvilor was it three02:27
ZogG_laptopi know for sure one and i think i might heard about second one02:27
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ZogG_laptopSpeedEvil: you had too?02:47
SpeedEvilI don't remember the names02:48
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User13hi everybody. i just bought a new nokia n9, and enabled developer mode. i want to get root access on terminal, but the standard password "rootme" does not work. is there a way to get root access and change the password?04:45
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User13thanks, i have seen that. "devel-su" should work anyway, but it doesnt :/ i guess someone rma'd the phone after changing the root pass05:38
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Mekreflashing should clear the root password...05:45
User13yeah.. looks like that ist the only way05:47
User13i guess i will try that tomorrow.05:47
User13do i have to flash the emmc too?05:47
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User13oh well i guess i will just do.05:51
User13thanks Mek05:51
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itsnotabigtruckman, i'm really kicking myself for not having found out about and signed up for that nokia launchpad program a few months ago09:03
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jeffrey04hello, anyone here familiar with flashing n910:15
jeffrey04i have a dead n9 here, is trying to flash it but failed :/10:15
hiemanshujeffrey04: dont ask to ask, just ask :P10:15
jeffrey04it won't boot up10:15
jeffrey04asked in #n9 but there's seems no one around there10:15
hiemanshujeffrey04: what happened last?10:15
hiemanshualso, failed, how?10:16
jeffrey04it won't boot up, and the LED wouldn't light up while pressing the power button10:16
jeffrey04i used this command to flash on vista 32bit "flasher -F firmware.bin -f"10:16
jeffrey04nothing seems to happen after this message "Suitable USB interface <bootloader/phonet> not found, waiting..."10:16
jeffrey04am i using the right flag?10:17
hiemanshujeffrey04: is the phone charged enough?10:17
jeffrey04charged overnight10:17
jeffrey04should be full10:17
jeffrey04but i can't check10:17
hiemanshuif you cant even get the LED to power on, not a software issue10:18
jeffrey04so i should just send it back to nokia care?10:18
hiemanshuyup, thats the best option10:18
jeffrey04alrighty then10:18
jeffrey04thanks for the help10:18
jeffrey04it's actually my sis' n910:21
jeffrey04mine's still working ok except the LED indicator won't blink when it is charging10:21
jeffrey04but it sort of work when the device is powered off though10:21
hiemanshujeffrey04: I have that sort of random issues with my N950 as well, no biggy for that part10:22
jeffrey04yea, as long as it is working10:22
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jeffrey04i wish i have one N950 though10:22
jeffrey04seen once in a meego meet up before n9 was launched10:23
jeffrey04wish i knew Qt lol10:23
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infobotHi there, see: Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual?10:45
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itsnotabigtruckso where did all you guys actually get N950s from...there's an awful lot of people with them here11:14
itsnotabigtruckapparently the nokia dev program ones are loaners, so that doesn't explain it11:15
SpeedEvilall devices are officially loaners11:16
itsnotabigtruckSpeedEvil: why bother messing too much with a phone you're going to have to send back in a couple months then11:17
itsnotabigtrucki gotta get some sleep11:17
SpeedEvilThey generally don't ask for return11:17
Sazpaimon__hey guys11:18
Sazpaimon__anyone looking for a white N9?11:18
hiemanshuhere DIY
Sazpaimon__that wont give it a glossy finish like the white N9s have11:20
hiemanshuget glossy paint then11:20
Sazpaimon__you may as well get the case itself11:21
Sazpaimon__save yourself the trouble11:21
Sazpaimon__it'd be almost the same price11:21
itsnotabigtruckalso damn, looks like the bricked n9 guy is gone already11:27
itsnotabigtruckisn't there a cold flash procedure for these things...if it's possible for a service center to recover one, it's probably possible to do the same thing at home with pirated flashing software, or maybe even flasher.exe11:28
hiemanshuitsnotabigtruck: not if the device wont even power on, cold flash is useless11:31
itsnotabigtruckhiemanshu: are you sure it wouldn't show up as a usb device when powered on with the cable attached?11:33
SpeedEvilUnless you have a flashing adaptor11:33
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itsnotabigtruckaren't 'flashing adaptors' just dongles for the flashing software, to keep plebeians from using it11:34
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hiemanshuitsnotabigtruck: yes11:34
itsnotabigtruckso if you use some hacked flash program that's not an issue11:35
itsnotabigtruckoh nm11:35
itsnotabigtruckif you look at page 11 of the service manual, it shows the phone attached to the pc with an ordinary microusb cable, and an FLS-5 dongle on the pc11:36
itsnotabigtrucki assume that's the aforementioned 'flashing adaptor'11:36
itsnotabigtruckexcept it's not actually attached to the phone at all...because it's a dongle11:37
SpeedEvilit's a thingy that fits in the battery bay, and connects the serial port11:38
dm8tbritsnotabigtruck: the phone has contact pads in the sim slot. guess what, there is an adaptor for that11:38
hiemanshuflashing adaptor connect in the place of the battery11:38
dm8tbrin case of the N950 it's instead of the battery, yes11:38
itsnotabigtruckah ok, so this is something entirely more exotic11:38
hiemanshuthe Rx/Tx ports11:38
dm8tbralso flasher on windows is unreliable. I'd always use a known to work combination of flasher and linux distro11:39
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hiemanshuand usually an RJ45 on the other end11:39
itsnotabigtruckpsp style, heh11:40
hiemanshudm8tbr: Flasher on Windows worked better for me than flasher + Fedora / openSuSE11:41
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griDid anyone here ever apply for Qt Ambassador? How long does a reply usally take? I received nothing for ~6 weeks now12:07
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DocScrutinizergri: Qt is dead, HARMmis dead, and maemo already stopped stinking12:16
griDocScrutinizer, Qt is not dead. Atleast not on the desktop12:17
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RST38hQt is hardly dead12:22
RST38hHARM hopefully is though12:23
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ZogG_laptopRST38h: hopefully not12:47
ZogG_laptopgri: my friend did applied once12:47
ZogG_laptopi think he apllied as he ws here with nfc writer12:48
ZogG_laptopan there was guy fom here who was there as well12:48
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RzRtalking about sdl ?12:53
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damaltor_1hi, i dont know if i am right here. :) i want to re-flash my nokia n9 with the latest software (22.2011...), because root access with the standard password does not work. with navifirm, i can only download an older release (20.2011...) or the MEA version 22.2011..., wich does not meet my product code. where can i get the latest firmware for a european n9 model?13:35
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jonnidamaltor_1: 22.1011 = PR1.1.1 is only for MEA market, PR1.1.1 is not for europe, so you cannot get it13:38
djszapidamaltor_1: you cannot use the developer account ?13:38
jonnidamaltor_1: but you can just reflash 20.1011 again over the old one13:38
jonnidamaltor_1: (as long as your not downgrading, 20.2011 can be reflashed over 20.2011)13:39
RzRdjszapi: hi there long time no see  , are you going to fosdem ?13:39
jonnidamaltor_1: if your just forgotten your password you can use rescuekernel&initrd to set your password again to be rootme, but if your getting group errors then its different story13:39
djszapiRzR: if I do not have a mishap again, yes. :p13:40
damaltor_1on my phone, originally coming from the austrian market, there somehow is already 22.2011.44 installed.13:40
damaltor_1so, i guess i can not just reflash with 20.2011.x13:40
damaltor_1is that true?13:40
RzRI may came too , i am unsure now13:40
jonnidamaltor_1: then you cannot downgrade13:40
djszapidamaltor_1: I can give you a package which sets it back13:41
jonnidamaltor_1: you can just reflash with some MEA image that matches your current one.13:41
jonnidamaltor_1: or use rescurekernel to setup passwd to be rootme again13:41
damaltor_1oooh that sounds good. where do i find that?13:41
damaltor_1djszapi: what package? an MEA one?13:41
djszapino image, package :)13:42
djszapibut if you have time go for the image because my package would use some security hole. :p13:42
jonnidamaltor_1:  which that you can mount root and edit etc/passwd13:42
damaltor_1djszapi: ok, no problem. but i want to know details, as i am a linux user for years. :)13:42
damaltor_1jonni: will read that. that would probably be the easiest way13:43
djszapisecurity hole is the easiest way, but it is nice if you have time to play it "correctly".13:43
damaltor_1well, actually i have time. but i am interested. what security hole?13:44
damaltor_1jonni: so, if i flash the said kernel images, i can mount the whole phone and edit /etc/passwd? do i have to re-flash the "old" kernel afterwards?13:45
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jonnidamaltor_1: that doesnt flash anything, only loads kernel in ram13:45
damaltor_1oh lol. i just saw the word "flasher". that sounds like a good idea though, and i qould not have to download the entire firmware again13:46
damaltor_1but i need one more thing: can you tell me the correct has for "rootme" in /etc/passwd?13:46
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damaltor_1i meant, the correch hash of course13:48
damaltor_1oh come on. i really need a new keyboard13:48
djszapiyes, we understood it hash since that was the only relevant consequence of the typo ;-)13:48
damaltor_1great, thank you djszapi.13:49
damaltor_1this is obvoiusly not the hash wich is in my /etc/passwd13:49
damaltor_1i actually googled for the hash wich is in my passwd file, and came up with like 10 results. so i guess it must be a freakin easy password, something like test or user or pass or such, but i have tried like 20 passwords yesterday13:50
djszapithat is what I have on my N95013:50
damaltor_1and it still is "rootme"?13:51
damaltor_1so, that should work.13:51
damaltor_1i will now switch to my computer (using girlfriends notebook atm), and reconnect to you both to keep you informed. be right back13:51
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RzRdjszapi: please can u explain why libsdl from beta3 is not seen by obs ? ie :
l32606hi all, I want to handle the QML signal in C++. I load the main.qml in C++ and the item with signal is in another qml file which pushed (pageStack.push) from main.qml.13:56
l32606my code like that: QObject::connect(root, SIGNAL(searchHome(QString)), &myClass, SLOT(cppSlot(QString)));13:57
l32606and i got: Object::connect: No such signal PageStackWindow_QMLTYPE_20_QML_43::searchHome(QString) in ..\untitled2\main.cpp:20413:57
djszapiRzR: ask X-Fade13:58
djszapias far as I understood, X-Fade updated the background operation, thus it is not the issue of a wrongly named control file or so inside the debian package, anymore. Might be some other issue.13:59
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RzRdjszapi: ok i will double check14:01
djszapiRzR: and you ? coming to FOSDEM ?14:04
RzRdonno it might be possible14:05
RzRi wish I manage to get there14:05
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djszapil32606: why not just call a c++ slot from qml ?14:24
l32606djszapi: thank you! you mean i should expose a c++ object with slot to qml?14:42
l32606djszapi: it's work! thank you, again :)14:45
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l32606djszapi: BTW, do you know how to change the display time for MNotification bar? Now the timeout is 5 seconds14:55
djszapifrom code, or average phone user pov ?14:57
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l32606from code. i want show a notification for about 1 minute.15:02
l32606it's easy on maemo515:02
djszapiI am sorry, but I have no clue. I do not see such a setter/getter in the MNotification documentation.15:03
djszapiRzR: have you tried with osc first to figure out sup ?15:05
djszapi(libsdl1.2 issues, that is)15:05
l32606djszapi: my requirement is show some additional info. when coming call. just above the call-ui. any suggestion?15:08
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djszapiVenemo: morning :)15:25
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DrGrovHi everyone15:37
DrGrovGot a question about my N9's Contacts app. I tried opening it yesterday a few times and drag it down to close it. Seemed fine the first 4-5 times and then suddenly when I tried to open Contacts again it did not open at all.15:38
DrGrovDid I somehow close it wrong? I dragged from up to down to close it. Should I drag it from down to up and minimize it instead and then go and turn it off?15:38
DrGrovIs that somehow serious that it does not open up anymore? Risk of losing contact information because of that "bug"?15:39
DrGrovAnyone else seem to have/have had this issue?15:39
VenemoDrGrov, it shouldn't matter.15:40
DrGrovHi Venemo15:40
DrGrovSo does not matter which way I close it or minimize it? That is what you mean?15:40
djszapiDrGrov: have you tried a reboot ?15:41
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djszapi(or rather: starting from command line)15:41
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DrGrovdjszapi: Yes, I have rebooted and tried to open it again in the same fashion. 4-5 times and eventually it just did not open anymore. Same as the first time I tried.15:42
DrGrovBut it opened of course once I did a power off - power on thing. So no problem, just worried about losing contacts because it happened.15:43
VenemoDrGrov, yes, that's what I meant15:43
djszapiDrGrov: you can try to open it next time from cli15:44
DrGrovVenemo: Ok. I just thought since I was writing so much text that I got lost :D15:45
DrGrovdjszapi: Will it always keep on doing this then unless I open it from a terminal and try to manually fix the issue?15:45
djszapitry to reproduce15:45
djszapi(make a backup beforehand for sure)15:46
DrGrovdjszapi: So you mean every single time I open up Contacts I might possibly lose information because of it freezing and refusing to open again?15:47
djszapino, I mean try to reproduce the issue, and if it is a real bug, you need to consider filing a bug about it with proper steps to reproduce.15:48
DrGrovdjszapi: So you think I can not lose my contacts information due to the app freezing up?15:48
djszapiI have really no clue. You had an issue. I would try to reproduce it, and file a bug, if it is persistent. That is all. I am not talking about the technical details, but the process.15:49
DrGrovSo basically the N9 can just simply decide to remove all my information and settings just like that? :D15:50
DrGrovNice :)15:50
DrGrovpetteri: Hi. No, I am just collaborating in my own brain a minor fail story IF that would actually happen.15:52
petteriok, so i guess anything can happen there :D15:53
DrGrovpetteri: When opening Contacts, freezing up and suddenly just remove all contacts & their information. :D15:53
DrGrovWell basically yes it can happen but the question is will it happen? :D15:53
DrGrovNah, just wondering :)15:53
DrGrovpetteri: Have you had such problems as I described with the Contacts app?15:54
petterino such problems here15:54
DrGrovpetteri: Good to hear. I just wondered that what could cause it but as long as I do not lose any contacts information such as numbers I am good.15:55
petterimaybe you have some wierd characters in your contacts or they are imported from some buggy place (like facebook or exchange)15:55
DrGrovpetteri: I imported them from my iPhone 4 with Bluetooth15:55
petteriheheh, i would blame iphone15:56
DrGrovHow you mean weird charachters? You mean å,ä,ö ?15:56
petterino, i mean maybe broken encoding or something like that15:56
DrGrovpetteri: Ok, what would you suggest me to do now then?15:57
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DrGrovIt seems like all my contacts are displayed properly without any ex. funny symbols after them or in front15:57
petterii would file a bug and then i would return the phone to initial settings and not import anything from i phone and see if it works :)15:58
DrGrovpetteri: So how do you suggest me to get the contacts then?15:59
DrGrovpetteri: How would I set up Google to import my contacts? Can I afterwards delete the sync between my phone and Google?15:59
DrGrovSo I can preserve my contacts untouched on my phone but get rid of the constant Google syncing?16:00
petterino idea, but as i don't have imported anything from iphone and everything is working fine for me, i just guessed that iphone is to blame16:00
DrGrovOk, so no idea on the Google sync then. No worries.16:03
DrGrovAnyone else syncing their Google contacts on the N9? Please let me know since I might have to do it that way.16:03
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DrGrovHi DocScrutinizer16:12
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Could you clarify for me the risk of having an iPhone 4 to import my contacts on my new N9 and somehow tweaking negatively with the Contacts app resulting for the app to freeze up after 4-5 times opening and closing it and thus making it impossible to start again? Just a reboot helps and it starts normally again.16:13
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Could it be the iPhone's way of sending the contacts via Bluetooth that has messed up the N9's Contacts app?16:14
DocScrutinizerit might have "messed up" the contacts database, so in one contact there's smething that triggers a bug in the app16:14
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, what would you suggest me to do now then? Can I somehow safely get the contacts from the iPhone in a proper way?16:15
DocScrutinizerwe've seen similar problems with fremantle contacts app and contacts stored on SIM which made app sedfault16:15
DrGrovOr should I concentrate on enabling sync for Google contacts and bring them in that way and then disable syncing to Google?16:15
DocScrutinizersorry, I have no good recommendation for that16:16
DocScrutinizerwhatever works for you, is probably the best answer16:16
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, so the iPhone could be the cause for this problem then?16:17
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Could I do so that I backup the current contacts on the N9 and import them back? Could that perhaps solve the issue?16:18
DocScrutinizerI don't know, just saying we've seen contacts app segfault on "messy contact" (with odd chars or sth in it) in fremantle16:18
DocScrutinizeryes, exporting to a backup and then restoring that backup might help a lot16:18
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, I shall try that out in a little while tonight.16:19
ZogG_laptopDrGrov: do you have all contacts in iphone and want to get them in n9 ?16:19
DrGrovZogG_laptop: Hi. I got them transferred yesterday from my iPhone 4 to my new N9 via Bluetooth at the local phone store. The guy did it for me since he knew how to do it and he has done it on his own N9.16:20
DocScrutinizergiven the (assumed) fact that contacts app is closed source, you probably should contact Nokia care and consider shouting at them ;-D16:20
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: The strange thing though is that there is no odd chars in my contacts at all. Just simple letters etc. No symbols.16:20
ZogG_laptopi got all contatcs from iphone16:20
DrGrovZogG_laptop: I got all the contacts properly but now the Contacts app seems to freeze up after I close it so I can not re-open it anymore. just a reboot helps and I can open it again.16:21
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: :D16:21
ZogG_laptopmaybe check the log16:21
DrGrovZogG_laptop: Could it help if I do a backup of the contacts to the phone and restore them?16:22
DocScrutinizersome investigations looking into syslog etc might shed some light on it16:22
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Then I have to enable developer-mode yes?16:22
DocScrutinizer:shrug: maybe16:22
DocScrutinizerI dunno what you can do without develmode, I never bothered to test16:23
DrGrovZogG_laptop: Has your Contacts app froze up on you and you can not start it again after you got the contacts transferred from the iPhone?16:23
DocScrutinizerbut I guess you will need xterm anyway16:23
DocScrutinizerZogG_laptop: are you sure it's related to iPhone contacts import?16:24
faenilif there's anyone in here who can help with qml + gl issue16:24
faenilhere's my thread16:24
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Probably best though that I start by making a backup of the contacts to the N9 and then try to import them, yes?16:25
DocScrutinizermaybe it's just like "there's a race on 'closing' contacts app when there are many rich contacts stored, so it actually quits instead of entering daemonized mode"16:25
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ah, so perhaps the damn Contacts app is closed too "fast" so to speak?16:25
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: as I said: whatever works best for you. Generally backups are always a good thing to have16:26
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Yes, that is true. Backups are always good, never know when need them :)16:26
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: (too fast) yes, that's been my idea16:26
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I just wondered since you got more experience about all these things :)16:26
DocScrutinizerI guess contacts is preloaded16:26
DocScrutinizeronce it quits it might need a reboot to re-start16:27
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: That seems to be the case since it happened after I closed contacts 4-5 times and then it did not open anymore on me.16:27
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: (more experience) definitely not on HARM16:27
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, but more experience about thinking straight at least with various technical stuff than me. That you most certainly have :)16:28
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DocScrutinizerwell, maybe I got used to it ;-)16:28
DrGrovSo I might have closed it too quickly and re-opened it too fast so it permanently closed. That is what you mean, Doc? :)16:28
DocScrutinizersomething like that, yes16:29
DrGrovI think I shall try to open it and close it by dragging it down-up instead and close it manually from the multitasking view instead from now on to see if it makes any difference.16:29
DrGrovAnd surely check that the amount of contacts are still the same.16:29
DocScrutinizerfor unknown reason the process might have completely quit on "close" (as a usual process is supposed to do) rather than just acting on sigterm or whatever hets sent to it by simply hiding the window16:30
DocScrutinizermight actually make a difference, as then it lost focus prior to SIGTERM getting sent16:31
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: So there is a possiblity that nothing is wrong with my contacts import? I think I then do as I mentioned to close it with down-up instead and close it manually.16:31
DocScrutinizerwhile on dragging up-down you send "please close" while focus still on app16:31
DocScrutinizerwhich may cause a race16:31
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ah yes, now when you explain it like that I do understand how you mean.16:32
DocScrutinizerthat is more likely to hit when app is busy with lots of contacts16:32
DrGrovThere is not that many contacts there luckily ;-)16:32
DrGrovLet me say it is under 50 so that should be possible to handle but still could make it race to close16:32
DocScrutinizeras stated above, you should blame Nokia, as there's only so much 'we' (the community) can do, assuming contacts app is closed source16:33
DrGrovThe first thing is definitely a backup though before I start playing with this16:33
DocScrutinizeryep :-D16:33
DrGrovYes, of course I will/should blame Nokia if that is the case. Apparently it is not a contacts import issue but more an application issue with Contacts since apparently others have imported contacts succesfully from their iPhones.16:34
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: What is the best way to do the actual backup? Enough to do a backup within Contacts or should I try to do a system-wide backup from Settings... ?16:34
DocScrutinizermight depend on how your contacts are structured, what infio is in them, etc16:35
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: NFC, I never "used" HARM16:35
DrGrovI just have phone numbers stored there, no email addresses or such. And all numbers are with the international prefix.16:35
DocScrutinizerI don't even know if there's any backup app now16:35
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Roger that :)16:35
DrGrovThere is some type of backup within the device. Not sure how it works or how it is supposed to work since I have not used it.16:36
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DrGrovBut I will try to see here in a few hours what happens with a possible backup and if it solves(?) the issue. I am not sure though since the contacts only have phone numbers in them so that can not be a serious issue but never know of course.16:37
DrGrovI might try to import them again from the backup to make sure it is not a iPhone contacts import issue but more a Contacts app issue.16:37
DrGrovBut I will be back in a few hours, talk to you later Doc :)16:37
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I might be back with more idiotic questions later though ;-)16:39
DocScrutinizerI've seen apps segfault on non-printable chars more than once16:39
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: What do you mean with non-printable chars? Could a dot be a non-printable char or a * ?16:40
DrGrovI mean I have one contact with dots in the middle of his name and a star in the beginning and end of his name16:40
DocScrutinizera non-printable char is a char you don't see in display16:40
DrGrovCould that perhaps cause the issue?16:40
DrGrovOk, I see all the chars in the display so that is then not the case.16:40
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Gotta run, you will be online later? Talk to you later.16:40
DocScrutinizeryou don't see the ones you don't see, though ;-)16:41
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: So if I see all the chars in the contacts app then there is no issues? No funny symbols are visible.16:41
DocScrutinizermaybe you entered a ^G on iPhone, and N9 barfs up on it16:41
DrGrovNothing like that :)16:41
DocScrutinizeryou never know16:42
DrGrovNah, I am sure ;-) I never altered the contacts list in anyway after I fixed it up.16:42
DrGrovBe back later, hope to see you around DocScrutinizer16:42
DocScrutinizermaybe N9 segfaults on iPhones representation of Ü or ³16:42
DocScrutinizerhard to tell16:43
DocScrutinizeras I said, we've seen similar stuff on N900, when SIM had some "eird" contact16:44
DocScrutinizer"weird" even16:44
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Jaredon't they both use utf8 encoded chars?16:45
DocScrutinizermissing 0x00 string delimiter when string uses full length of buffer... whatever16:45
Jarenon-printable chars might be the problem though16:45
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e-yeshi all16:49
BluesLeehi e-yes16:52
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e-yeshow to enable usbnetworking in n9 by shell-script?16:54
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BluesLeeis it a bad idea to display the battery status every 10 minutes on the N9s low power lockscreen via cron?17:04
BluesLeei mean would this have any recognizable impact on the battery consumption ...17:04
auenfn9 has cron?17:07
BluesLeeauenf: yepp17:07
BluesLeeauenf: see deb subdir
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auenfnow to work out if i can use cron to autoplay an audio playlist in random to wake me up...17:09
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BluesLeeauenf: maybe a good idea to post it, see
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kevinbAtN9any url where to find default title bar size and others17:29
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aparaattihi, I got N9, and I can't get scrobbler for anywhere, anyone know if it's available somehow?17:55
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lucidoI looked but couldn't find the voice call api of harmattan, do you have any info on this?18:30
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I wonder could the problem with Contacts be because I have a entry starting with "*J..."18:38
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DocScrutinizerI doubt it18:39
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Okay, sounds like then the problem is the closing too fast and reopening18:39
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: But of course I will now start to do the backup and restoring and making sure that it hopefully works like that.18:40
DocScrutinizeryou should have a look into dmesg/syslog18:40
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ps ax|grep contact18:41
DocScrutinizer 1264 user     /usr/bin/contactsd18:41
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DocScrutinizer 1362 user     /usr/bin/contacts -prestart18:41
DocScrutinizer 1376 user     /usr/bin/invoker --type=m /usr/bin/contacts -prestart18:42
DocScrutinizerwhat I thought: contactsd gets preloaded18:42
DocScrutinizererr, -d18:42
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, you found that out easily from just that?18:42
DocScrutinizer/usr/bin/invoker --type=m /usr/bin/contacts -prestart, and /usr/bin/contacts -prestart, yes that's easy18:43
DrGrovOk, so the N9 does preload Contacts.18:43
DocScrutinizerand 'closing' it shall not stop any of those processes18:43
DrGrovSo by having me closing and reopening Contacts in rapid succession it becomes a race?18:44
DocScrutinizerso the process needs to catch whatever SIGINT or SIGTERM the windowmanager is sending on "close window" event18:44
DrGrovAnd by having me closing "too fast" the Contacts app it does not have time to SIGINIT or SIGTERM. CorrecT?18:45
DocScrutinizerif it fails on doing so, it will probably simply quit, and maybe nobody restarts it then, other than a reboot where it gets preloaded18:45
DrGrovOk, so that is the case then what happened for me last night. Just that it does not restart itself, only a reboot helps. I am understanding this correctly Doc?18:45
DocScrutinizernext time if breaks, you could try "/usr/bin/invoker --type=m /usr/bin/contacts -prestart" from xterm18:45
DrGrovBut I have no terminal?18:46
DocScrutinizerenable develmode!18:46
DrGrovAh yes, that I did not know about :(18:46
DrGrovBut I am learning, at least trying to :D18:46
DrGrovIf it does crash on me again, could it be added some code that it automatically restarts itself?18:47
DocScrutinizersure, we *could* do this... if only aegis wasn't kicking our ass whenever we try to tweak some initscripts18:47
DocScrutinizeralso it's all highly speculative right now, no evidence any of my hypothesis is true18:48
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b00^portalerr, I've managed to somehow screwup entering my root password on my N9, anyone has any idea how to re-set it ?18:49
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I am 100% sure that your hypothesis is true on what happened to me yesterday. It just did not start Contacts again without the reboot.18:49
b00^portalseems i've used invalid chars, and now completely dont' know what password I've actually set ...18:49
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: For the time being would it be best that I close Contacts with dragging down to up and then going to multitask view and close it from there?18:50
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: I can't even speculate on that18:50
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, I will try that option as well. It seems to take 4-5 times until it crashes so I will try to close it after a few minutes instead to see whether it duplicates itself or not.18:51
DrGrov*the issue duplicates itself or not18:51
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: in fremantle dsme had a method to restart processes that unsolicitedly quit. But it stopped to do this on e.g. (and default) 3 restarts during 2 minutes18:52
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Aha. So it seems that the N9 is doing that same thing. I do not remember exactly if it was 4 or 5 times I tested, could have been 3 as well. I will try to open it up, wait those 2 minutes and close and open again.18:53
DocScrutinizerso another idea/hypothesis is: contacts app *always* segfaults when closed by your method, and usually the invoker (I guess that's what dsme is valled now) usually restarts it immediately. Not so, though, when you do that 3 times in 2 minutes while testing18:54
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: It is good, I have the possiblity to test it right now and I have the timer open.18:54
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: So my method of closing is too fast, yes?18:54
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: you see testing bugs is an ambitious and demanding task :-)  - with a lot of side effects to take into account18:55
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I see :) I got 39 in Phonebook now. I will now minimize it and try to close it once. Then open it up and leave it open minimized for 2 minutes.18:56
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I will also try to make it segfault to see whether is 39 again after reboot.18:56
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: But yes, export the contacts first ;-)18:56
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: getting xterm you could do a simple "ps ax|grep contact" and see if the process' ID number changes after closing the window, what would mean it got restarted18:58
DrGrovDamn this, I can not export contacts to a file. :(18:59
DocScrutinizerbackup *should* do that though19:00
DocScrutinizerto a location inside a tar-gz archive somewhere on MyDocs19:00
DocScrutinizerat least that's what I'd expect to find19:01
DrGrovOk, I will backup then firstly. Now I minimized Contacts window and have it open for 2 minutes at least and then close it and try to reopen it19:02
DocScrutinizercontacts->menu->export->file->[select contacts]&[done]19:02
DrGrovIt did not do that. I tried that method but it said that "Contacts could not be backed up"19:03
DrGrovOr something similar19:03
DocScrutinizersth got messed up with your database then, I'd guess19:03
DocScrutinizerobviously contacts makes contactsd blow chunks on hitting a certain "messed up" contact record in database19:04
DocScrutinizerget xterm, do some ps19:04
DocScrutinizereverything else is mere handwaving19:05
DrGrovApparently yes, I will try to do some tweaks on the names and remove all * from names19:05
DrGrovSee what happens then if it can do a proper export19:05
DocScrutinizeryou should remove/delete 50% of your contacts19:05
DocScrutinizersee if it still segfaults19:06
DocScrutinizerif yes: remove the other 50% too19:06
DocScrutinizerif it still segfaults: reflash, or otherwise restore database structure to a clean empty state19:06
DocScrutinizerbtw database == tracker here :-/19:06
DocScrutinizerso "restore database structure" might mean you nuke tracker's database which will cause basically *all* conversations and contacts and whatnot else vanish same time - I guess that'S what you call colateral damage19:08
DocScrutinizeranyway, I have to run, doing some shopping. So cya l8r19:09
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DrGrovHow can I import my currently backed up contacts which I backed up to a file on the N9?19:23
DrGrovIt does not give me any option to find them from Contacts. So how do I import that file I just backed up?19:23
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DocScrutinizercontacts->menu->inport_contacts->File->Contact_card->[one file per contact].vcf->[mark]->[back!! :-o]->done19:29
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I gotta recheck, seems like at least I got them backed up correctly once I removed the funny symbols like * in the contact name19:30
DocScrutinizerquite possibly the * might fsckup storing them to "*smith.vcf"19:31
DocScrutinizercan't see though how this would cause contacts app to act up un normal usage and closing it19:32
DrGrovI went and removed all the * first from the names since it did not back them up at all first. After I removed the * from a contact name it backed up them properly.19:33
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DrGrovNow I just can not restore the damn thing :(19:33
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DocScrutinizerwhy? where in above sketched chain of actions does it fail?19:33
DrGrovI do not get the option to import contacts from File. Just online services, SIM card and another device...19:34
cos^does everyone have problem that sharing a photo on facebook hangs at 100% until phone is restarted?19:35
cos^and is there a workaround?19:35
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DocScrutinizerseen same with sharing N900 photo to OVI when photo was too large in filesize19:36
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I just got those 3 options to choose between. I wonder what should I do now.. I know that the file is there somewhere but how can I restore it?19:37
DocScrutinizeryou need xterm19:37
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Is that a guaranteed way to get them back?19:38
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# find /home/user/MyDocs/ -iname "*ab*vcf"19:38
DocScrutinizerls -l /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts19:39
DocScrutinizercheck if there are 'strange names' of files in there, maybe "rm /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/*" and redo export19:40
DrGrovI think I go and do it via Google contacts and rename the contacts there into proper form and import them via MfE19:42
DrGrovCould someone explain to me how to get that .vcf properly back?19:45
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DocScrutinizerI already explained to you. If your contacts app refuses to show "from File" option for import, there's something wrong either with contacts app itself and/or the contatcs db aka tracker db, or with your folder /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts19:49
DocScrutinizerplug device to PC via USB mass storage, see what's with "Contacts" directory19:49
DocScrutinizerif, and what, *.vcf files are in there19:50
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: So you mean I should delete something in order to make the contacts app work properly?19:50
DocScrutinizerit there are suspicious ones, rename or remove them19:50
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: What exactly you suggest me to delete then? I can not delete everything yes?19:51
DocScrutinizerand finally enable develmode and get xterm ;-)19:51
DocScrutinizerfirst look what'S actually in there, if anything at all19:52
DocScrutinizerprobably should have 52 *.vcf files with anmes of your contacts. maybe one that looks like"*J...vcf"19:52
DocScrutinizeryou of course can delete them all, as you always can export them again19:53
DrGrovOk, I got it plugged in now as USB mass storage mode19:55
DrGrovWhere to you said?19:55
DrGrovStange, the folder is called Kontaker. Swedish for Contacts19:55
DrGrovThat is mighty strange19:55
DrGrovEverything else is in English19:55
DocScrutinizerwell, there's some *magick* going on there19:56
DrGrovYeah, it is :D LOL19:56
DrGrovI might rename it or?19:56
DocScrutinizerdepending also on your desktop file browser you use19:56
DocScrutinizerNO, don'zt mess with name of dir19:56
DrGrovOk, roger that :)19:56
DrGrovI will now at least copy them over to my hard drive, I can do that yes?19:57
DocScrutinizerrather, select "properties" from context menu, or sth19:57
DocScrutinizeryou also can just open them in notepad or whatever editor you got19:57
DocScrutinizerand look into them19:57
DrGrovOk, I will make a dir on my hard drive where I put them. It is the correct amount there it seems, 39 of them.19:57
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DocScrutinizeris some strange filename among them?19:58
DocScrutinizersth with special chars, like * or ( or / or sth19:58
DrGrovNo, they seem all fine19:59
DocScrutinizerwell, just remove all of them on phone, and do the export thing again, now that you have "fixed" the "*J..." contact19:59
DrGrovThere is a name with ABC-amm19:59
DrGrovCould the "-" cause issues?20:00
DocScrutinizerprolly not20:00
DrGrovI have removed all of them already from the phone so Contacts are empty20:00
DocScrutinizer- and _ seems "normal" chars20:00
DocScrutinizernow ... UNPLUG!... do export again, look20:00
DrGrovI already fixed the "*J" contact before I did the backup20:00
DocScrutinizerinto the dir again, after replugging20:01
DocScrutinizermaybe only export ONE contact20:01
DrGrovYou mean I delete now the .vcf files from Contacts on the phone?20:01
DocScrutinizerof course your issue actually also might be caused by 'magick'20:01
DrGrovAnd put them back?20:02
DocScrutinizeryou remove the *.vcf files in Contacts dir20:02
DocScrutinizeronly if you haven't already nuked ypour contacts in contacts app20:02
DocScrutinizeryou redo export of ONE contact as file20:03
DocScrutinizerwhile NOT in mass storage mode!20:03
DocScrutinizerthen see if contacts app now offers inport of that one .vcf file into contacts20:03
DrGrovGot it20:04
DrGrovI think I found the problem20:04
DrGrovOne of my contacts has a "&" in it20:04
DrGrovThat could explain the issue, yes?20:04
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 user     root           139 Jan 14 18:07 AB2_¿.vcf20:04
DocScrutinizeryes, that'S BAD[TM]20:05
DrGrovI will rename that contact manually, yes? Or should I open up the text file and change it there as well to the exact same thing?20:05
DocScrutinizerno, the names of those files basically shouldn't matter at all20:05
DocScrutinizerso you can rename to whatever you like20:05
DocScrutinizerjust keep .vcf20:06
DrGrovOk, the names does not matter if it has a "&" in it but the .vcf file if it has a "&" in it is bad?20:06
DrGrovI change in the .vcf ok20:06
DocScrutinizeryou just rename the file20:06
DocScrutinizerno ned to edit it20:06
DrGrovOk, just rename the file to not have & in it?20:06
DocScrutinizerLOL, this contact actually got name "AB2¿" in contacts here20:08
DrGrovI can rename it direclty on the phone as well or should I copy the .vcf files back to the phone only after I have change that .vcf name to not have & in it?20:08
DocScrutinizerrename where ever you can :-)20:08
DrGrovSo now I delete them from the phone and copy them back from my backup the .vcf files?20:09
DocScrutinizerI guess Contacts app is simply using last_name of contact as filename. Now if last_name has illegal chars, things start to blow chunks20:09
DocScrutinizerwe had same brainfart in fremantle microB bookmarks20:10
DrGrov_ , - , å , ä , ö are fine in the names?20:10
DocScrutinizerwhich got constructed from webpage titles, which of course could have "/" in them20:10
DocScrutinizerfor all I could tell they *should* be fine20:11
DrGrovOk, I have removed them from the phone now and recopying them back20:11
DrGrovThe file name which had "&" is renamed now20:12
DrGrovThe entry itself can have "&" in it yes? The name displayed in the .vcf file?20:12
DocScrutinizersorry, now for real... afk20:12
DrGrovThe file name can not have "&" in it20:13
mgedminoh those toy filesystems ...20:13
DocScrutinizer>" "20:14
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DocScrutinizerthere are tools, and there are toys, and then there's also mere crap20:15
DocScrutinizerand sloppy coders20:16
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DocScrutinizer...who just see char[]* filename and don't care to start a thinking, not for 2 euro cent20:17
mgedmin"works on my machine with my data set" certified20:18
DocScrutinizeryeah XP20:18
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Still not able to import the file when I check on the Contacts on phone.20:22
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I need to go into the .vcf file and really change all them to display properly to get them to show up? Take away all charachters which are illegal?20:23
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DrGrovGod damn this20:45
DrGrovI still can see the option "File" from where to import contacts20:46
DrGrovI double checked all names and so and it should be fine but still no option. Argh20:46
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itsnotabigtruckhow bad of an idea is it to hot-insert a SIM20:57
SpeedEvil`Unless they say explicitly you can, it may kill the device.20:59
SpeedEvilIt shouldn't - of course, but...20:59
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mgedminIf by "hot-insert" you mean "do it while the phone is turned on", I think N9 explicitly supports this21:01
mgedminI've done that, the N9 didn't complain21:02
mgedmindetected the new SIM, asked for a PIN, IIRC21:02
mgedminotoh on the n950 I had to force a reboot before it would see my hot-plugged SIM21:02
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itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: yeah, that's what i meant...ok21:07
itsnotabigtruckwhat about hot remove?21:07
mgedmingood question21:07
mgedminwasn't there some piece of paper with the N9?21:07
itsnotabigtruckin order to buy anything from the ovi store without billing it to my phone plan, i apparently have to have my at&t sim card out of the phone21:07
itsnotabigtruckthat might be the piece of paper that was in spanish21:07
mgedminthe n9 has built-in help too21:08
mgedminit tells you how to put it in and remove it21:08
mgedminit doesn't mention anything about turning the phone off or on21:08
mgedminI would assume it is safe to hot-remove the SIM21:09
mgedmin(but if your N9 breaks, don't go after me with feral lawyers)21:09
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itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: lol21:21
itsnotabigtruckanyway, thanks21:21
itsnotabigtrucki'll probably still avoid it unless i read that everyone else is doing it, since i have an imported N9 with no local warranty, and there aren't any nokia service shops anywhere21:23
DrGrovGod damn these contacts21:23
DrGrovI gotta do something, apparently all the contacts are correct in .vcf format but I can not get them imported back21:24
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: are the contacts on the pc? what are you using to import them21:24
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: I have the contacts as .vcf cards now on the phone. I exported the contacts on the phone. They are there but I can not seem to get them back. It does not give me the option to back up from file in contacts21:25
itsnotabigtruckoh, you're trying to get the vcf file off the phone?21:25
DrGrovNo, I am trying to import it back from the contacts app.21:25
DrGrovAll my .vcf files21:25
itsnotabigtruckmaybe try doing it fron the pc w/ nokia suite?21:25
DrGrovI am running Linux, no Windows/Mac here ;-)21:26
itsnotabigtruck:( are there any open source nokia sync tools? i think the n9 has the same interface for syncing as other symbian phones21:27
itsnotabigtruckhence why nokia suite works with it, unofficially21:27
DrGrovShould there be one .vcf file for every contact or one big .vcf file containing all contacts?21:27
DrGrovI might have to end up retrieving all my contacts from Google21:27
DrGrovHate to go there and alter them but apparently the only solution for this21:28
DrGrovOne thing though... Can I delete the Google account after I have synced over my contacts without losing the contacts?21:28
itsnotabigtruckcan't help you on any of that stuff but maybe someone else here can21:29
DrGrovThanks itsnotabigtruck though :) I shall stay around and wait to see what happens21:29
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: exporting "all" should result in one big .vcf file containing all contacts21:38
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: That has not happened.21:38
DocScrutinizeremphasis on *should*21:38
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: It looks like a list of all 39 contacts as 39 .vcf files21:38
DrGrovSo something must have gone horribly wrong there21:38
DocScrutinizerHAHA, my N9 says "can not export contacts"21:39
b00^portalDocScrutinizer, same here ...21:39
DrGrovYes, it does say that. Got that same issues since the odd weird symbols in my contacts name21:39
b00^portalno weird symbols in mine, as far as i know ..21:39
DrGrovb00^portal: I thought that as well but apparently there were some there anyhow :(21:39
DrGrovCould it work so if I open up my Google contacts via browser on the computer, make the necessary modifications and make it up-to-date and then copy the .vcf file to the phone and import it?21:40
DrGrovI know that Google contacts in .vcf format is one big file with all contacts in there21:41
DrGrovSo that should perhaps work?21:41
DocScrutinizerok, a contact with "*" in the name causes "can not export contacts", amazingly also when trying to export 'all', so probably it doesn't know of aggregated .vcf format21:41
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: You think that suggestion I had might work since it would give me only one big .vcf file with all my contacts?21:42
DocScrutinizersorry, I don't understand that21:42
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I mean that I would go with my desktop computer to my Google contacts, make the modifications and make it up-to-date on the web and then export it as a .vcf file or whatever and copy that over to the phone in contacts and then import it via the contacts application?21:43
DocScrutinizerI think exporting a batch of contacts shouldn't result in one .vcf per contact, but rather in a file containig all contacts21:43
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: no idea about that21:44
DrGrovYes but for me I had 39 contacts and it created 39 separate .vcf files so that is wrong. On Google though I can get 1 big .vcf file with those 39 contacts which should be correct21:44
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, I will at least try it. Nothing can be more fcuked now anyhow :D LOL21:44
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DocScrutinizermhm, N9 doesn't offer "import from file"21:45
DrGrovYes, that is what I have been trying to tell you.21:45
DrGrovSo how do I get them back into the phone now then? :(21:45
DocScrutinizertrying to tell me???21:45
DocScrutinizerc'mon I'm not a moron21:45
DrGrovYes, I know.21:45
DrGrovBut I told you that I did not find the option "import from file"21:45
DrGrovBut I can save it as a file which is odd21:46
DocScrutinizeryes, I know. So what?21:46
DocScrutinizerI told you on N950 it shows that option21:46
DrGrovYou did not mention that it shows on the N950 specifically IIRC ?21:46
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DocScrutinizernow I found it doesn't on N9, and I don't know if that'S related to device, or rather to problems with exporting a contact with "*" in the name21:47
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, no worries :)21:47
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I will try to get them in a big .vcf file off Google first and then try to import that .vcf file.21:48
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DrGrovOf course there is a minor problem, or at least could be, since it did not import those 39 separate .vcf files as well21:48
pawkyDocScrutinizer: dude, they gave me a new phone....21:49
DrGrovBut I will try to fix them to not have any "*" or such symbols in them and try again21:49
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: wait a minute21:50
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok21:50
DrGrovI will wait21:50
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DocScrutinizerok, N9 didn't magically show "from file" option when switching $LANG to En_en aka "English(UK)"21:52
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok. I found this,
DocScrutinizerN950 still shows "from file" option when switching $LANG from English(UK) to Deutsch21:53
* DocScrutinizer clicks the URL with a shudder21:54
DrGrovI think I need get all my contacts as one single .vcf file from Google. That would help me a lot21:54
Corsacaha bada and tizen merge21:55
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Corsacthe fact that contacts and sms are stored in the tracker db is completely surealist imho21:56
CorsacI though the tracker was supposed to index stuff, not store them21:56
DocScrutinizerCorsac: BWAHAHAHAHA21:56
DocScrutinizer(for merger)21:57
Corsac(and indeed, export fails)21:57
befr0dhow are they going to call it now21:57
Corsacbadzen maybe21:57
Free-MGbadzen :)21:58
DocScrutinizerintl going to fsck another "competitor". Embrace and suffocate - seems we all know that, form M$21:58
DocScrutinizerCorsac: on HARM they (Nokia) decided it was a good idea to abuse tracker not only as directory service but instead actually sore raw data to it, rather than only metadata21:59
DocScrutinizerincredibly insane concept, given how fsckdup tracker was already on fremantle22:00
DocScrutinizers/tracker/the whole concept of hiding real filenames/22:01
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: incredibly insane concept, given how fsckdup the whole concept of hiding real filenames was already on fremantle22:01
befr0dIn 2011, bada phones made up about 2% of the global smartphone market — greater than the share held by Microsoft’s Windows Phone.22:01
DocScrutinizeralso the amount of WTF tracker indexing introduced all the time22:01
befr0dheh one still wonders why nokia went wp way22:01
DocScrutinizerit's been M$ "embrace and suffocate" of what left over from Nokia, after Intel got done with them22:03
DocScrutinizerIntel now takes care of killing bada22:03
DocScrutinizerlet's see if Samsung will also get eaten by M$ after intel is thru with them22:04
CorsacDocScrutinizer: the problem for me is that tracker db seems easy to corrupt22:04
Corsacand thus you might lose real data22:05
Corsacwhile losing indexing stuff is not really a problem22:05
Corsacyou just have to reindex22:05
DocScrutinizeryes, only one of the plethora of problems with idiotic tracker concept22:05
DrGrovNow I got the contacts in one single .vcf file22:06
DrGrovcalled contacts.vcf22:06
DocScrutinizerto do it right and stylish, they should have used a special microscopic tape drive to store tracker db on it22:06
DocScrutinizeror puch cards22:06
DrGrovNow I will connect the phone and remove those 39 .vcf files and get this shit together :)22:06
DocScrutinizerpunch even22:06
DrGrovHopefully the phone recognizes the .vcf card I have now22:07
DrGrovDamn it if it does not :( It makes me sad if it does not recognize it22:07
DocScrutinizerit won't offer "import from file"22:07
DrGrovYou are absolutely sure about that?22:07
DocScrutinizerseems broken in 2011-40.4 version and later22:08
DrGrovOk, what is the next suggestion then? At least I gotta get them out from the phone yes?22:09
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: wel, I exported 2 or three single contacts to .vcf, and it still doesn't show the option. So what would it make show that option when the size of the vcf is different?22:09
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: you already pasted the URL which has the solution22:09
pawkydoes anybody know how to remove the huge pile of different language options in Swype? I just need a few...22:10
Corsacit's too bad “import contacts” from contacts app doesn't have “file”22:10
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, I am screwed then. Or then I will install that app22:10
Corsacyou could use syncml, too22:10
DocScrutinizererr, was that a question? if yes, then I didn'z understand22:10
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DrGrovShould I anyhow go and delete the .vcf files on the phone?22:11
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: on that page this dude wrote that cmdline tool works just fine to import vcf22:11
DrGrovCorsac: Syncml? If I sync them can I somehow turn off sync and remove my Google account afterwards?22:11
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ah, so I do not need any .deb package.22:12
DocScrutinizeryes, or you sync google to have zero contacts like your phone :-P22:12
DocScrutinizerno, the import tool is already on board AIUI22:12
DrGrovOk, so I can easily just enable devel mode and open up the terminal and fix it?22:12
DocScrutinizerfor export to a single large file, and with contacts that have "*" in last_name you need the app of that webpage22:13
DrGrovNow I do not have any contacts anymore with a "*" in them since I went over to Google contacts with a browser and changed all of them22:13
DrGrovAnd exported a fresh .vcf file with them all.22:14
DrGrovDo I get the terminal by enabling devel mode?22:15
DrGrovDoes the terminal disappear after I turn off devel mode? So it is enough that I copy that huge .vcf file I just altered into perfect shape and use the command line to import it?22:16
DrGrovHow do I use vcardconverter then? That webpage does not explain that at all :(22:17
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DocScrutinizer>>...The console app “vcardconverter” successfully digests vcards,... <<   >>It spits all the contacts out into one giant vcard file that ***can be reimported later with vcardconverter***. Simple and easy.<<22:18
DrGrovBut I do not understand how to use vcardconverter. Is that built in already or ?22:19
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# vcardconverter --help22:19
DocScrutinizerUnable to open --help: No such file or directory22:19
DocScrutinizerso I gather it's >> vcardconverter path/to/your/dir/with/vcard.vcf22:20
DocScrutinizer>> vcardconverter path/to/your/vcard.vcf22:20
DrGrovOk, I shall try that. Thanks for bearing with me Doc :)22:20
DocScrutinizerI.E. vcardconverter /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/MyHugeFile.vcf22:20
DocScrutinizeror even >> vcardconverter /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/*.vcf22:22
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# vcardconverter /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/22:23
DocScrutinizerUnable to open /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/: file to open is a directory22:23
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# vcardconverter /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/AB*22:24
DocScrutinizerlibqtcontacts-tracker: initializing libqtcontacts-tracker 4.14.10-2+0m6 for /usr/bin/vcardconverter [2235]22:24
DocScrutinizerSuccessully imported 1 contacts.22:24
DocScrutinizer:-/ should have been THREE22:24
DocScrutinizernlot just one22:24
DrGrovOk, I will try now to see if I get it working. Hopefully god damn it :(22:27
DrGrovYou had 3 files?22:27
DrGrovWhere do I find devel mode in Settings..  =22:28
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: "security"22:31
DocScrutinizer Don't use such rogue things like "¿" in any of your contacts ;-P22:33
DrGrovI just got one big file called contacts.vcf containing the 39 contacts22:34
DocScrutinizerthe above note was maybe for mgedmin rather than particularly you22:35
mgedminwhich one?22:35
DocScrutinizer Don't use such rogue things like "¿" in any of your contacts ;-P22:35
mgedminyeah, people with non-English names ought to be rounded up and put in detention camps ;)22:36
mgedminwho wrote this stuff and how did they test it?22:37
mgedmin... did they test it?22:37
DocScrutinizeranyway it seems there's a more fundamental problem with UTF-8 in shell22:37
DocScrutinizeron HARM22:37
DrGrovNow the phone reboots after installind developer-mode. Anything else I need to install before I open terminal?22:38
DocScrutinizeras the file already exists22:38
mgedminI hope you're not friends with Bobby `rm -rf /` Root22:38
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: nope22:38
DrGrovSo now just the god terminal and try?22:39
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DrGrovExact command and path please Doc :)22:39
DocScrutinizeropen xterm aka terminal22:39
DrGrovIt is open now22:39
DocScrutinizervcardconverter /home/user/MyDocs/<yourfilename.vcf>22:40
DrGrovAh, it is /home/user/MyDocs/Kontakter/contacts.vcf22:41
DrGrovDoes autocompletion work like on Linux systems with TAB?22:41
DocScrutinizererr yes22:41
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DocScrutinizerI'd not be surprised to find no 'magick' there and name is Contacts though22:42
DrGrovFUCK YEAH! :)22:42
admiral0hello people22:42
DrGrovThe output is "Succesfully imported 39 contacts" GOD DAMN :)22:43
* DocScrutinizer highfives DrGrov22:43
* DrGrov highfives DocScrutinizer back and hugs him :)22:43
DrGrovHow do I close terminal now? :D Up to down or exit? :D22:43
DrGrovWhich one?22:44
DrGrovI gotta choose which one :D22:44
DrGrovNah, Ctrl-D is too advance still :D22:44
DocScrutinizerso use good'ol 'exit'22:45
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DrGrovNow I gotta check though that the 39 contacts actually are there :D22:45
CaCO3hi all22:45
CaCO3does any body know how I can switch to my app, if I start it a 2nd time and it is already running22:46
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: They are there, the 39 contacts :)22:47
CaCO3If I press the icon, nothing happens, since I use the --single-instance flag on invoker22:47
CaCO3I am using Python and I am wondering if I have to register my app somehow on DBUS?22:47
CaCO3Since gPodder does what i want, but its hase soo much code that i am not able to finde the needed peices22:48
DrGrovGotta ask. How do I put my custom made ringtones on the phone? In which directory should I store them? How about where to store wallpapers?22:48
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ajalkaneDrGrov: profiled handles ringtones. See /etc/profiled22:51
ajalkaneDrGrov: also see for DBus interface
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DrGrovajalkane: I am just wondering how to copy them there so it is proper... I have a few ringtones on my computer I like to get to show up on the N922:53
admiral0is there a way to toggle power management via dbus?22:53
ajalkaneDrGrov: just copy them to your Music22:54
admiral0the one in settings->battery->power management22:54
DrGrovajalkane: Does not matter where in Music? You mean /home/user/MyDocs/Music?22:54
DrGrovI can have folders as well in the Music directory?22:54
ajalkaneDrGrov: yeah that's the place22:55
ajalkaneSubfolders in there probably work too22:55
DrGrovajalkane: Thank you :) How about pictures, where do I put them? I want to get some nicer wallpapers to play around with ;-)22:55
ajalkaneDrGrov: sorry I don't remember where wallpapers were supposed to be put. There was some special place.22:56
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: it's completely irerelevant where you store mp3/whatever to use as ringtones, thanks to tracker and the way ringtones get handled they will be found everywhere and are not needed after you have set them for ringtone22:56
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Good to know. I will just dump all my music with subfolders and stuff in /home/user/MyDocs/Music then ;-)22:56
DocScrutinizerno problem for ringtones, and tracker will not care about subfolders - alas22:57
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: You know where to put wallpapers I have?22:57
DocScrutinizerprobably same as for ringtones applies22:57
mprwhat happens if I define a mime type for my application in its .desktop file and the mime action is invoked, but the application is already running? how do I get access to the uri that was invoked?22:57
DocScrutinizertracker will find them anywhere so they show up in galery, then on "make that a wallpapaer" it gets copied to a "secrit" place22:57
DrGrovOk, I create a own folder called Wallpapers then and just dump them there? If not I just delete the folder afterwards ;-)22:57
DrGrovSecret you say? :)22:58
DocScrutinizerlike in /gome/user/.local22:58
DrGrovThanks Doc for helping with those damn contacts and getting them right ;-)22:58
DocScrutinizerHome even22:58
DrGrovShould I disable devel mode now then or should I keep it active?22:58
DocScrutinizerjust keep it, it doesn't hurt22:59
DrGrovYeah, you are right. I still do not see the icons so much since they got dropped down below so no worries. Good perhaps later to have a terminal to fool around with :)22:59
CaCO3Nobody a clue ? :(22:59
DocScrutinizerCaCO3: somebody has23:00
DocScrutinizerjust wait an hour and then repeat question in one line (terse form)23:00
CaCO3I saw in older logas that thp and atemm had a discussion about that last August :|23:01
DocScrutinizerlike "how to make running instance go foreground when clicking applauncher icon again?"23:01
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DocScrutinizerI guess your idea with dbus might be right23:01
posixis there any quick way to disable aegis checks for some binaries on the system? or to grant full privileges to some testing binaries23:02
CaCO3gPodder can do it, and I saw it seems to use dbus, but there are soo many files, I cant find the critical part :(23:02
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: How about videos? What formats can I put and how big resolution? 720p works?23:02
mprfor me it would seem to work if you just remove the --single-instance, I guess there's some magic that prevents multiple instances from being launched even then23:03
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: sorry nfc23:03
dm8tbrposix: open mode kernel?23:03
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DocScrutinizerjust again, probably you can put them anywhere23:03
mprit just brings the app to foreground if it's running, doesn't launch another instance23:03
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, no problem. Thanks :)23:03
CaCO3mpr: if i remove --single-instance, it will run my app a 2nd time :(23:03
infobotrumour has it, nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications23:04
CaCO3mpr: It might be because i run a shel lscript which launches python23:04
posixdm8tbr humm open mode seems good... can you point me some documentation?23:04
DrGrovAnyone know what maximum resolution videos I can use with the N9? How about 720p?23:04
mprah, but you're still using the invoker, if I just run the binary directly then at least for me it doesn't seem to launch a new instance23:04
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: As I predicted, I directly thought about Near Field Communications :D LOL23:04
posixdm8tbr will that required me to install a new image on the phone?23:04
DocScrutinizerposix: /topic23:05
tonyoyCaCO3: don't know if it could help but been thru a dbus meld patch recently
infoboti guess aegis-no-thanks is
mprI'd actually like to know what prevents the launching of a second instance in my case, does qt do some checking at some point during initialization and just bring the previous instance to foreground and exit if it finds one or what?23:06
mprdo you know where that happens more specifically?23:07
DocScrutinizerrelated to dbus iirc23:08
ajalkaneCaCO3: My Exec line is just something like this: Exec=/usr/bin/invoker --type=d -s /opt/profilematic/bin/profilematic23:08
ajalkaneIt launches just single instance23:08
CaCO3ajalkane: and if you click on the icon again?23:08
ajalkaneIt opens the existing instance23:08
ajalkanethe type parameter must match the application tpe23:09
CaCO3but you have abinary, right? I have a shell script, which can not be run with -d23:09
ajalkane--type=d means QML + C++ applciation (declarative)23:09
DocScrutinizerit mustn't spawn a new process I guess23:09
CaCO3There has to be a way with Python, since gPodder can do it23:09
DocScrutinizerinvoke the *.py directly?23:10
ajalkaneOkay supporting shell scripts must be much harder23:10
ajalkaneI don't think invoker directly supports shell scripts23:10
ajalkaneso you probably need to have a wrapper scripts that checks if your app is running23:10
DocScrutinizerinvoker probably not23:11
mgedminthere's a second helper23:11
ajalkaneand then if it is, send it a dbus command to activate its window23:11
tonyoyCaCO3: meld is made with python23:11
CaCO3I couldnt figure out how to activate a running task23:11
mgedminajalkane, /usr/bin/single-instance23:11
mgedminit creates a lock file in /var/uhsomewhereIdontremember23:11
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ajalkanemgedmin: but it only ensures only one process is running, it doesn't activate it's window. Right?23:12
mgedminit worked with FBReader23:12
mgedminwhich was a C++ app built with Qt without any fancy shmancy QML23:12
ajalkaneOk. Worth trying. Go for gold CaCo :)23:12
mgedmini.e. it did activate the window when I clicked on it on the icon23:13
DocScrutinizermgedmin: /var/run/23:13
mgedminI once had trouble when fbreader crashed but the lock file remained23:13
CaCO3tonyoy: do you have mled running on harmattan?23:14
mgedminand prevented me from running new instances from the menu23:14
mgedminanyway, now there's official QMLized fbreaders and all the troubles are in the past23:14
CaCO3it would not be too hard to see if a task is running. the difficult task is how to switch to it...23:14
mgedmindbus is, of course, the proper answer23:15
CaCO3:) any links explaining it?23:15
mgedminhm, any good python apps for harmattan that we could use as examples?23:15
DocScrutinizermain does that for you23:15
tonyoyCaCO3, :-)) not yet, but I thought the dbus registering stuff provided in the patch could be informative for you23:15
mgedmingpodder was a python app, but didn't thp rewrite it in qml?23:15
mgedminor is it still python + qt bindings + qml?23:15
CaCO3its python + QML23:15
CaCO3I write many apps in Python + QML, it works quite good, except boost seems not to be available23:16
DocScrutinizerthe only lib that nuked my desktop HDD when I tried to build it23:16
mgedminseriesfinale is also python23:16
CaCO3or what ever is needed to BOOST startup QML23:17
RST38hAFAIK BOOST does not nuke HDDs, but it is still evil23:17
ajalkaneI'm not sure how efficient boost is. Anyway even the current SDK builds non-working boostable example.23:17
mgedminseriesfinale uses /usr/bin/invoker --single-instance --type=e23:17
ajalkaneOr was it previous SDK, I haven't perhaps checked the latest.23:17
DrGrovI hope I made the right choice by getting the 64GB and not only 16GB...23:17
DocScrutinizerRST38h: it actually nukes HDD that have less than 5GB free space23:17
mgedminand it also uses qml from python23:18
ajalkaneoh you're talking about C++ boost, not harmattan boostable thing :).23:18
posixok ty guys.. ill try that kernel23:18
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ajalkaneI used boost somewhat many years ago, it's hideous crap to build. Which made me to not use it anymore if I can avoid it.23:18
CaCO3I guess I mean another boost tahn you guys understand :)23:19
CaCO3But AFAIK it only works with C++ apps but not Python ;(23:20
ajalkaneOne of my projects uses an old boost library, which is incompatible with the newer one. So I'm stuck with ancient boost because is such a pain to build cross-platform that I rather rewrite the thing to not use boost than try building it23:20
DrGrovCan I use images that are 960x800 as wallpapers?23:21
DrGrovOr does the N9 crop them to look ugly?23:21
CaCO3DrGrov: it will crop it, but not resice23:21
CaCO3I use 854x854 since I use lock screen rotation23:22
admiral0anyone know how to set psm from cmdline?!23:22
DrGrovCaCO3: Ok, I do not use lockscreen rotation. Not yet at least but eventually. So hopefully the would look good if they are 960x800 or bigger?23:22
DrGrovCaCO3: Do you know where to put the wallpapers? Does not matter yes? You know about where to put videos?23:23
CaCO3I am sure they will be cropped.23:23
DrGrovYes, if they are cropped no problem since I hope they look good. That is the only thing. Not so important if they lose some or not.23:23
CaCO3wallpapers: /home/user/.wallpapers/wallpaper.png23:23
DrGrovCaCO3: Do they need to go there?23:25
DrGrovCaCO3: Can't I just copy all my images somewhere on the phone and they show up in gallery from where I can choose wallpaper?23:25
CaCO3thats the default place where gallery puts them and also where Harmattan picks it up23:25
DrGrovSo it is enough to put them in /home/user/MyDocs/Wallpapers?23:26
ajalkaneDrGrov: you need to put them in there, otherwise how would the phone know what are wallpapers and what are for example pictures you took with phone?23:26
CaCO3yes, and then use gallery to select it. gallery how ever will crop it23:26
DrGrovajalkane: Why would it matter since gallery would probably pick them up and just let me crop it?23:26
ajalkaneDrGrov: Gallery picks up everything. Settings -> Wallpaper only picks up those that are "wallpapers". Hence the separation.23:27
ajalkaneBut from Gallery you can set a picture to be wallpaper23:27
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: no23:27
DocScrutinizerdon't put things into .dirs23:27
ajalkaneI guess it just copies the picture, after cropping, to the wallpaper location23:27
DrGrovajalkane: Ah ok. I see.23:27
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: No, I do not put into ".Wallpapers"23:28
CaCO3I actually the path to the wallpaper is stored in gconf, so you could change it there!23:28
DocScrutinizerHARM will put things there, when you select "wallpaper"23:28
DrGrovI know they are hidden with the .23:28
CaCO3Might do that for my rotate lcok screen app, since a normal user can not put wallpapers into the mentioned path23:28
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: So is it enough that I make a folder called Pictures which I transfer over to the phone?23:28
DocScrutinizerawesome tracker crap will do the rest, hiding any "Pictures/" folder you created23:29
DocScrutinizersort your pictures any way you like, tracker will find them and throw all on one bag23:30
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, I will just let it be called Pictures now until I move it over and leave it like that on the phone as well.23:30
DocScrutinizeryou're free to redo all your sorting effort in tracker tools like gallery, by assigning so called tags to your pictures23:30
* ajalkane senses a certain distain for tracker magic23:31
TronicI love it how the tracker will also add all my recorded phone calls, ringtones and such to the music player instead of only using the Music folder.23:31
DocScrutinizertracker == mother of BS23:31
DocScrutinizeractually Nokia concept of abusing tacker like that is THE BULLSHIT23:32
DrGrovTronic: So you just put everything you want in which ever folder you like and just copy it over?23:32
DocScrutinizertracker is the most fucked up by design concept I ever seen23:33
DocScrutinizer40 years of using pathnames proved to be worthless - we invent something better and just store all to a virtual root directory.23:34
DocScrutinizerDANG this sounds so pretty much like MSDOS1.023:34
DocScrutinizeror even C/PM23:35
itsnotabigtruckis there any documentation for this tracker stuff23:35
DocScrutinizernot really23:35
DrGrovDamn, I almost forgot to get some videos as well23:36
admiral0gconftool -s /system/osso/dsm/energymanagement/force_power_saving -t bool true23:37
DrGrovWill it be too big to use 1920x1080 images as wallpapers?23:38
benares_98what's tracker?23:38
CaCO3All right: I got it working with the invoker. the problem was, that I start a shell script which then runs Python and my main file. the solution was to invoke the file directly.23:39
CaCO3thanks all for your hints!23:39
itsnotabigtruckbenares_98: apparently it's a system for indexing the filesystem and putting metadata on it23:39
DrGrovShould I try to get smaller images than 1920x1080 and use them instead for wallpapers?23:40
DrGrovCould 1920x1080 become "too big" for the N9 to crop down nicely?23:40
itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: well, it's a waste of space23:40
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Well space I got a lot of ;-) Gor the 64GB version23:40
itsnotabigtruckmight as well downsize to 854x48023:41
itsnotabigtruckor 854x854 if you rotate the homescreen23:41
itsnotabigtruckbecause it's not smart enough to rotate the image too23:41
DrGrovI definitely thought about that but I hate to downsize a few hundred images just for that... But perhaps yes, would be worth it23:42
itsnotabigtruckyou can leave the lower right 374x374 quadrant empty23:42
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Why so?23:47
DrGrovIs 800x836 too small?23:48
ajalkanehmm... how the hell can I install QtMobility libs into SDK for Desktop targete? I tried the package updater from QtSDK but can't see the libs. And it can't include the headers. Wut?23:51
DrGrovGot a opinion question23:52
DrGrovCalifornication theme as ringtone or something 1990's - early 2000's trance/house?23:53
ajalkanehmm... I just listen to the Benny Hill theme music, so I'm not the right person to answer to that.23:53
thpmgedmin: gpodder is still a python app - the UI layer got rewritten from gtk+hildon (maemo 5) to qml23:55
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itsnotabigtruckDrGrov: because in portrait it shows the left 480x854, and in landscape it shows the top 854x48023:56
itsnotabigtruckif i understand correctly23:56
thpCaCO3: what were you looking for?23:56
itsnotabigtruckleaving a 374x374 box that's never seen23:56
itsnotabigtruck800x836 is a few pixels short on both dimensions :(23:57
itsnotabigtrucknote that landscape home screen isn't on normally, you have to hack it on23:57
CaCO3thp: I hat the issue that, when I click onto the icon in harmattan, that it does not switch to the already running app. I saw that gPodder can do it. and with the others help I got it working now as well.23:57
itsnotabigtruckso you can just go with 854x480 normally23:57
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: Ok, I will resize that 800x836 to 920 something x something then23:58
thpCaCO3: yep, that's simply using the invoker with --single-instance23:59
DrGrovitsnotabigtruck: How much is the minimum that I need for portrait? I never use landscape rotation23:59
thpCaCO3: you can also use a splash screen there. i haven't tried to see if changing --type= to something else than "e" works and if it brings any speed advantage23:59
CaCO3thp: I saw that. but since I used to call a shell script which then run python with my start file, it did not work.23:59

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