| DocScrutinizer | Avengence: indeed, a pity. I always suggest you start with assembler | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | once you managed to code a simple "game of life" in asm, you'll appreciate symbolic vars and strong types and subroutines/functions, and esp complex math terms in high level lang | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | structured code like if then else, case, etc :-) | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want the worst of all, start with basic and you're spoiled for lifetime | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | start with OO and you'll never get the grasp on what a CPU is actually doing, resulting in idiot coders creating an object for each single char of a text in an editor, and then complaining why this hw is SOOOOO slow FFS!!1!11!eleven!! | 00:05 |
| gri | Please tell that my java professor | 00:05 |
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| Avengence | objects are nice but overrated | 00:06 |
| ajalkane | I don't think you can learn to code in school. You might get some impetus for it in there, but it requires passion to do it in free time to learn it really | 00:07 |
| Avengence | starting with asm is rough. starting somewhere close to it and then learning how the compiler does it and what it looks like in asm is good | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, actually I didn't start with true asm, but with HP-25 code | 00:08 |
| Avengence | i've not written a compiler, just studied the ideas in a class on the subject. i've seen more of how they work by digging through more disassemblies than i wish i had to during debugging | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | not much of a difference to asm though | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | just simpler | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | less opcodes | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus a few high level "libraries" you could use | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Z80 assembler felt absolutely natural to me then | 00:10 |
| Avengence | in the compilrs/interpreters class, I had to write a simplistic matlab clone as the practical interpreter. supports basic array and scalar operations, variables, functions with recursion, and a handful of easy array operations but lacks the huge library of functions real matlab has | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I had to write down the hex codes next to the mnemonics, and calculate the jump distances myself, all on a paper with pencil XD | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | as that "computer" had a monitor ROM that was 1k size | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was it 2k? | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least not much moe than a memory dumper and editor | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | much like m80 | 00:12 |
| Avengence | first computer i had was atari800 with the 8k rom basic interpreter. so not too complex to learn it all, and i had the os rom maps so i could play around in there. i didnt have the asm cart so i had to write machine language by hand from the reference manual when I needed to do something beyond waht basic could | 00:12 |
| Avengence | getting a 'real' computer with C was a huge leap | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, my first basic interpreter was tinyBASIC with only integer arithmetics, and I hacked it into that Z80 computer by myself in one afternoon | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hex byte by byte | 00:14 |
| * gri feels too young in here | 00:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I hacked it in in a mornig, and after lunch I wrote a tiny asm code to compare memory to what I type and beep on errors, and made my girlfriend read the whole hex listing again while I proof-typed it | 00:15 |
| Avengence | now i've got a phone with more cpu power, memory and storage than the first few PCs I had, not to mention better graphics (slightly lower res but better color depth, and the speeed) and sound output | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess the raw grunt and RAM of my first comuter now is embedded in accelerometer chip's controller ;-D | 00:16 |
| * faenil is younger than gri, so he feels yet younger in here XD | 00:17 | |
| * ajalkane just feels ignorant | 00:17 | |
| * admiral0 feels young.. pentium 3 as first CPU | 00:18 | |
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| gri | admiral0, wtf? | 00:18 |
| Avengence | I have to wonder, has anyone put effort into making N9(50) self-hosting for it's own development? (full toolchain with qtsdk) | 00:18 |
| admiral0 | gri: ? | 00:18 |
| faenil | I played with CM64 and Amiga as my first toys | 00:18 |
| ieatlint | admiral0: he means you are really young | 00:18 |
| faenil | did CM64 use basic? I seem to remember that | 00:19 |
| admiral0 | i'm 23. started late with computers... | 00:19 |
| Avengence | first IBM PC had a 486, but first computer had a 1mhz 6502 with 48Kram and 10k osrom | 00:19 |
| jonni | Avengence: no since there is not enough ram to compile big projects | 00:19 |
| * gri had a 80286 with 30 mb hdd! :) | 00:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs/qi-hardware_2012-01-11.log.html#t21:53 XD | 00:19 |
| faenil | my first pc was a 90mhz Pentium 1, where I used to play The Simpsons, I remember Bart going up the buildings with his skate :) | 00:19 |
| admiral0 | Avengence: you want self-hosting n9? | 00:20 |
| admiral0 | install sdk packages | 00:20 |
| admiral0 | enjoy the bloat | 00:20 |
| admiral0 | :) | 00:20 |
| Avengence | jonni: i can't imagine it takes THAT much ram to compile with qtsdk, but I've not monitored it closely | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | and continued at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs/qi-hardware_2012-01-11.log.html#t22:23 | 00:21 |
| faenil | Doc: ahahahah | 00:21 |
| Avengence | admiral0: just for fun.. I have 64GB storage that is mostly empty | 00:21 |
| admiral0 | hmm could do a toolchain | 00:21 |
| jonni | Avengence: for example compiling qtwebkit take 1+GB RAM when linking, it fails to link if there is under gig free ram. | 00:21 |
| jonni | so you never are able to compile qtwebkit inside N9 | 00:22 |
| faenil | Doc: about your ideas on school path...we started with C + ML at uni | 00:22 |
| faenil | second year CPU arch + ASM (DRISC) | 00:22 |
| Avengence | jonni: i didn't mean to compile the n9 os itself (maybe self hosting was wrong term to use) but just to be able to do development of apps for it without any other computer involved | 00:22 |
| admiral0 | faenil: we did useless m68k... | 00:23 |
| faenil | :D | 00:23 |
| * ieatlint learnt c via online guides a merge 9 years ago | 00:24 | |
| jonni | Avengence: thats not compiling the os, just example of big project, there are lots of oss projects that take too much ram during linking. Yes for small 3rd party app there is probably enough ram to get it compiled. | 00:24 |
| ieatlint | wrote an aol im client with ncurses | 00:24 |
| ieatlint | first real app | 00:24 |
| jonni | Avengence: bug answer to your question there is no native toolchain available, nobody is stopping you to compile gcc/toolchain yourself though. | 00:24 |
| admiral0 | first piece of real code - js presentation engine | 00:25 |
| Avengence | jonni: since you mentioned qtwebkit, which is already present, i was thinking you meant for compiling sdk from sources on n9 | 00:25 |
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| admiral0 | there mas nothing like that anywhere | 00:25 |
| faenil | first piece of real code - multithreaded client-server local messaging service, for a uni exam | 00:26 |
| faenil | multithread with posix pthreads | 00:26 |
| Avengence | thinking about how little ram was in the first system I compiled freebsd kernel and world on, it seems crazy to think anything needs 1gb ram to link, but then there's openoffice as the example of just how stupidly big a project can be | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | My CV has "interactive display for airports etc, using touchscreen, embedded content much like HTML, in pre-mosaic times" | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh sorry, probably nobody but me knows in here what's mosaic | 00:27 |
| gri | ncsa mosaic :) | 00:27 |
| * admiral0 thinks this will turn in "whose dick is bigger" game in 3.. 2.. 1.. | 00:27 | |
| Avengence | DocScrutinizer: i used mosaic. it was crap | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep :-D | 00:27 |
| faenil | admiral0: too late :D | 00:28 |
| faenil | wanna join? XD | 00:28 |
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| admiral0 | faenil: no, you would loose XD | 00:28 |
| faenil | ahahah | 00:28 |
| Avengence | 8========> | 00:28 |
| faenil | dammit xD | 00:29 |
| Avengence | admiral0 made me do it | 00:29 |
| faenil | ok this is the right moment to ask a question :D | 00:29 |
| faenil | and now don't tell me none knows the answer :D | 00:29 |
| admiral0 | 8===.*===> | 00:29 |
| faenil | I am painting a 3d model with a QDeclItem | 00:29 |
| faenil | so that I can use the glview in QML | 00:29 |
| ieatlint | Avengence: mine's longer | 00:29 |
| marsje | Can anyone explain me what the difference is between a patch and unpatched open-mode kernel for the N9? | 00:30 |
| faenil | problem is, when I don't draw the UI and set the glview as fullscreen | 00:30 |
| faenil | (better say, set the QDeclItem as fullscreen) | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm using technology X-P | 00:30 |
| faenil | I get 36fps | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | 8===> | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/=/==========/g | 00:30 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: 8==============================> | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 00:30 |
| faenil | when I draw the UI (2 toolbars + listview with tabbar) | 00:30 |
| faenil | thus resizing the QDeclItem which paints the 3d Model | 00:31 |
| faenil | I get 22fps!!! | 00:31 |
| Avengence | haha | 00:31 |
| faenil | how is such a slowdown possible? How I can fix that? | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: more like you just used an inanimate object to make it grow | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | :P | 00:31 |
| faenil | It seems the UI is redrawn at each paint | 00:31 |
| faenil | and that's useles!! | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | but hey, whatever floats your boat | 00:31 |
| faenil | is there anything I can do? | 00:31 |
| Avengence | 8==.nnnn===> | 00:32 |
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| Avengence | 8====.nnnn=> | 00:32 |
| Avengence | 8==.nnnn===> | 00:32 |
| Avengence | 8====.nnnn=> | 00:32 |
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| ieatlint | aww, you stopped before you got kicked for flooding | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed :-D | 00:33 |
| Avengence | good for the logs | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | though *flooding*? MEH | 00:33 |
| * faenil feels people just set the ignore flag on him xD | 00:33 | |
| Avengence | flooding: 8====.nnnn=> ~~~~ | 00:33 |
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| faenil | OMG | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil: sorry, I got my Friday night silly 5 min :-) | 00:33 |
| faenil | xD | 00:33 |
| faenil | Doc: ahaha :D | 00:34 |
| faenil | we got some ascii experts here xD | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil: say the magic word and I'll happily +q whomever goes OT | 00:34 |
| Avengence | i'm just kiilling time while waiting between steps (baking bread) | 00:35 |
| faenil | Doc: 8==========D | 00:35 |
| faenil | got it? XD | 00:35 |
| faenil | ahahah....pleeeease :D | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | OT is the magic word | 00:35 |
| faenil | ouch :P | 00:35 |
| faenil | OT: copy-paste | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooookay | 00:36 |
| Avengence | +q is freenode equiv of -v in a +m chan? | 00:36 |
| faenil | xD | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | so please gentlemen (I doubt ladies are still around) - let's return to this chan's topic | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Avengence: yes, basically | 00:37 |
| admiral0 | lol, i started it | 00:37 |
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| admiral0 | there was some news somewhere about PR1.2 being out. Is it a lie? | 00:38 |
| faenil | Doc: :) | 00:39 |
| faenil | Doc: got any idea? | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil: yur first reasonable sentence about "painting a 3d model with a QDeclItem" was just same moment admiral0 started painting ASCII gfx, so it got lost in OT noise ;-) | 00:39 |
| faenil | oh ok :D | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and sorry but nfc about QDeclItem here | 00:40 |
| faenil | ouch! | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask me about soldering SMT | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or about kernel stuff | 00:41 |
| gri | faenil, the qml mailing lists may help | 00:41 |
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| neku | stfu adlan | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or about general system architecture aspects | 00:41 |
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| faenil | gri: yeah...that's my last shore I think... | 00:41 |
| faenil | none seems to be able to help me about that thing :D | 00:41 |
| gri | faenil, If you want a reply from the developers themselves, go for the mailinglist :) | 00:42 |
| faenil | :) | 00:42 |
| Avengence | admiral0: the dev blog doesn't mention PR1.2 release, but they do mention that sdl is available for PR1.2... | 00:42 |
| Avengence | not sure if that's a roundabout way to say it's available | 00:43 |
| admiral0 | sdl? | 00:43 |
| faenil | just as an info: 42-44 fps on Java+NDK, and 36fps on Qt for Android | 00:43 |
| admiral0 | preenv, anybody? | 00:43 |
| faenil | same c++ rendering code | 00:43 |
| Avengence | iirc, I got the PR1.1 OTA update before the blog mentioned it was out | 00:43 |
| Avengence | admiral0: sdl = simple direct-media layer. used for games, video players, etc. useful for cross platform stuff and also used a lot for porting games to linux/mac | 00:44 |
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| admiral0 | Avengence: sdl==preenv porting possible from n900 | 00:44 |
| Avengence | preenv = ? | 00:45 |
| admiral0 | preenv = compatibility layer for sdl programs for webos | 00:45 |
| admiral0 | games: the sims, assassin's creed, monopoly, Nova | 00:46 |
| Avengence | ah | 00:47 |
| Avengence | also means now easier to port stuff like duke nukem 3D | 00:47 |
| admiral0 | yep | 00:48 |
| admiral0 | also doom, and other sdl - gles games | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait for javispedro to join | 00:48 |
| Avengence | so he can tell us the goodies not in the announcement? | 00:48 |
| faenil | :D | 00:49 |
| jpwhiting | Avengence: which dev blog? | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ell, I know sdl and preenv both by him | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | +w | 00:50 |
| Iktwo | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer | 00:50 |
| Avengence | jpwhiting: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer | 00:50 |
| jpwhiting | ah, ok gotcha | 00:50 |
| jpwhiting | thx | 00:50 |
| Iktwo | they should include the javispedro's fm app too | 00:52 |
| jpwhiting | Avengence: it doesn't say PR 1.2 there, but MeeGo 1.2 | 00:52 |
| jpwhiting | which we already have... | 00:52 |
| jpwhiting | no? | 00:52 |
| jonni | Meego 1.2 means Harmattan PR1.0 | 00:53 |
| jpwhiting | indeed | 00:53 |
| Avengence | damnit, i misread that after admiral0 got my hopes up | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen javispedro | 00:54 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 2h 49m 21s ago, saying: 'that's automatic accoustic management aka hdparm -M'. | 00:54 |
| * admiral0 loves to crush random people's hopes muahaha | 00:55 | |
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| * Avengence was hoping PR1.2 would be here to magically fix the messageserver brokenness so he doesn't have to take the google account off the phone to have working email | 00:57 | |
| * Avengence is also hoping for some carddav love | 00:58 | |
| faenil | fixing the popup arch would make my day :) | 00:59 |
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| Avengence | what I should be doing is working on the synaptics touchpad driver so this stupid laptop can stop pissing me off so readily | 01:00 |
| faenil | scrolling with the touchpad freezes the whole system at times | 01:01 |
| faenil | and then the input focusing is screwed after it gets back to life | 01:01 |
| faenil | like It ignores top windows | 01:01 |
| faenil | and sends input to bottom ones.. | 01:01 |
| faenil | XOrg.0.log reports "EQ overflowing.." | 01:02 |
| Avengence | it seems impossible to disable tap-click completely with the current driver regardless what values i use | 01:02 |
| faenil | "the server could be stuck in an infinite loop" | 01:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | meh | 01:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm tierd | 01:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyone checked google+ api? is it me or it's really half ready? | 01:09 |
| mgoetz | Avengence: what laptop do you have? | 01:13 |
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| Avengence | mgoetz: HP G62 | 01:19 |
| Avengence | its a cheapie I bought for the wife to email and read news, but mine died last week so now we havfe to share this one | 01:20 |
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| faenil | so it seems like I can't set a glwidget as a viewport and update only part of the viewport? | 01:54 |
| faenil | my 3d model is redrawn now, the rest of the UI is not, and all is black but the 3d model | 01:54 |
| faenil | unless I scroll the listview | 01:54 |
| faenil | in which case the listview is redrawn with visible flickering | 01:55 |
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| rafael2k | hi there people | 02:22 |
| rafael2k | Im very happy I discovered how to install skype in my n950! | 02:23 |
| rafael2k | btw, have anybody sent back to nokia the N950 because of hardware problems? | 02:23 |
| rafael2k | mine have lots of dead pixels... | 02:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | rafael2k: i know at least one person who did it | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG_laptop: two | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | or was it three | 02:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | i know for sure one and i think i might heard about second one | 02:27 |
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| ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil: you had too? | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | NO | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't remember the names | 02:48 |
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| User13 | hi everybody. i just bought a new nokia n9, and enabled developer mode. i want to get root access on terminal, but the standard password "rootme" does not work. is there a way to get root access and change the password? | 04:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | User13, http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#root | 05:18 |
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| User13 | thanks, i have seen that. "devel-su" should work anyway, but it doesnt :/ i guess someone rma'd the phone after changing the root pass | 05:38 |
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| Mek | reflashing should clear the root password... | 05:45 |
| User13 | yeah.. looks like that ist the only way | 05:47 |
| User13 | i guess i will try that tomorrow. | 05:47 |
| User13 | do i have to flash the emmc too? | 05:47 |
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| User13 | oh well i guess i will just do. | 05:51 |
| User13 | thanks Mek | 05:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | man, i'm really kicking myself for not having found out about and signed up for that nokia launchpad program a few months ago | 09:03 |
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| jeffrey04 | hello, anyone here familiar with flashing n9 | 10:15 |
| jeffrey04 | ? | 10:15 |
| jeffrey04 | i have a dead n9 here, is trying to flash it but failed :/ | 10:15 |
| hiemanshu | jeffrey04: dont ask to ask, just ask :P | 10:15 |
| jeffrey04 | it won't boot up | 10:15 |
| jeffrey04 | asked in #n9 but there's seems no one around there | 10:15 |
| hiemanshu | jeffrey04: what happened last? | 10:15 |
| hiemanshu | also, failed, how? | 10:16 |
| jeffrey04 | it won't boot up, and the LED wouldn't light up while pressing the power button | 10:16 |
| jeffrey04 | i used this command to flash on vista 32bit "flasher -F firmware.bin -f" | 10:16 |
| jeffrey04 | nothing seems to happen after this message "Suitable USB interface <bootloader/phonet> not found, waiting..." | 10:16 |
| jeffrey04 | am i using the right flag? | 10:17 |
| hiemanshu | jeffrey04: is the phone charged enough? | 10:17 |
| jeffrey04 | charged overnight | 10:17 |
| jeffrey04 | should be full | 10:17 |
| jeffrey04 | but i can't check | 10:17 |
| hiemanshu | if you cant even get the LED to power on, not a software issue | 10:18 |
| jeffrey04 | erm | 10:18 |
| jeffrey04 | so i should just send it back to nokia care? | 10:18 |
| hiemanshu | yup, thats the best option | 10:18 |
| jeffrey04 | alrighty then | 10:18 |
| jeffrey04 | thanks for the help | 10:18 |
| jeffrey04 | :D | 10:18 |
| jeffrey04 | it's actually my sis' n9 | 10:21 |
| jeffrey04 | mine's still working ok except the LED indicator won't blink when it is charging | 10:21 |
| jeffrey04 | lol | 10:21 |
| jeffrey04 | but it sort of work when the device is powered off though | 10:21 |
| hiemanshu | jeffrey04: I have that sort of random issues with my N950 as well, no biggy for that part | 10:22 |
| jeffrey04 | yea, as long as it is working | 10:22 |
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| jeffrey04 | i wish i have one N950 though | 10:22 |
| jeffrey04 | lol | 10:22 |
| jeffrey04 | seen once in a meego meet up before n9 was launched | 10:23 |
| jeffrey04 | wish i knew Qt lol | 10:23 |
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| infobot | Hi there, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1148886&postcount=668. Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual? | 10:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 10:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so where did all you guys actually get N950s from...there's an awful lot of people with them here | 11:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apparently the nokia dev program ones are loaners, so that doesn't explain it | 11:15 |
| SpeedEvil | all devices are officially loaners | 11:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: why bother messing too much with a phone you're going to have to send back in a couple months then | 11:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i gotta get some sleep | 11:17 |
| SpeedEvil | They generally don't ask for return | 11:17 |
| SpeedEvil | night | 11:17 |
| Sazpaimon__ | hey guys | 11:18 |
| Sazpaimon__ | anyone looking for a white N9? | 11:18 |
| Sazpaimon__ | http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Original-WHITE-full-Housing-Cover-Side-button-Nokia-N9-N9-00-OEM-/150719006732?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23178d880c | 11:18 |
| Sazpaimon__ | DIY | 11:18 |
| SpeedEvil | hah | 11:18 |
| hiemanshu | here DIY http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arctic-White-Acrylic-Enamel-Auto-Paint-Kit-/300645324392?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr&hash=item45ffdb9668 | 11:19 |
| Sazpaimon__ | that wont give it a glossy finish like the white N9s have | 11:20 |
| hiemanshu | get glossy paint then | 11:20 |
| Sazpaimon__ | you may as well get the case itself | 11:21 |
| Sazpaimon__ | save yourself the trouble | 11:21 |
| Sazpaimon__ | it'd be almost the same price | 11:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 11:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also damn, looks like the bricked n9 guy is gone already | 11:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | isn't there a cold flash procedure for these things...if it's possible for a service center to recover one, it's probably possible to do the same thing at home with pirated flashing software, or maybe even flasher.exe | 11:28 |
| hiemanshu | itsnotabigtruck: not if the device wont even power on, cold flash is useless | 11:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hiemanshu: are you sure it wouldn't show up as a usb device when powered on with the cable attached? | 11:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you have a flashing adaptor | 11:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | aren't 'flashing adaptors' just dongles for the flashing software, to keep plebeians from using it | 11:34 |
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| hiemanshu | itsnotabigtruck: yes | 11:34 |
| hiemanshu | nope | 11:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you use some hacked flash program that's not an issue | 11:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh nm | 11:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you look at page 11 of the service manual, it shows the phone attached to the pc with an ordinary microusb cable, and an FLS-5 dongle on the pc | 11:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i assume that's the aforementioned 'flashing adaptor' | 11:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except it's not actually attached to the phone at all...because it's a dongle | 11:37 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 11:37 |
| SpeedEvil | it's a thingy that fits in the battery bay, and connects the serial port | 11:38 |
| dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: the phone has contact pads in the sim slot. guess what, there is an adaptor for that | 11:38 |
| hiemanshu | flashing adaptor connect in the place of the battery | 11:38 |
| dm8tbr | in case of the N950 it's instead of the battery, yes | 11:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah ok, so this is something entirely more exotic | 11:38 |
| hiemanshu | the Rx/Tx ports | 11:38 |
| dm8tbr | also flasher on windows is unreliable. I'd always use a known to work combination of flasher and linux distro | 11:39 |
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| hiemanshu | and usually an RJ45 on the other end | 11:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | psp style, heh | 11:40 |
| hiemanshu | dm8tbr: Flasher on Windows worked better for me than flasher + Fedora / openSuSE | 11:41 |
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| gri | Did anyone here ever apply for Qt Ambassador? How long does a reply usally take? I received nothing for ~6 weeks now | 12:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gri: Qt is dead, HARMmis dead, and maemo already stopped stinking | 12:16 |
| gri | DocScrutinizer, Qt is not dead. Atleast not on the desktop | 12:17 |
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| RST38h | Qt is hardly dead | 12:22 |
| RST38h | HARM hopefully is though | 12:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | RST38h: hopefully not | 12:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: my friend did applied once | 12:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think he apllied as he ws here with nfc writer | 12:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | an there was guy fom here who was there as well | 12:48 |
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| RzR | talking about sdl ? | 12:53 |
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| damaltor_1 | hi, i dont know if i am right here. :) i want to re-flash my nokia n9 with the latest software (22.2011...), because root access with the standard password does not work. with navifirm, i can only download an older release (20.2011...) or the MEA version 22.2011..., wich does not meet my product code. where can i get the latest firmware for a european n9 model? | 13:35 |
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| kralor | Navifirm+ | 13:37 |
| jonni | damaltor_1: 22.1011 = PR1.1.1 is only for MEA market, PR1.1.1 is not for europe, so you cannot get it | 13:38 |
| djszapi | damaltor_1: you cannot use the developer account ? | 13:38 |
| jonni | damaltor_1: but you can just reflash 20.1011 again over the old one | 13:38 |
| jonni | damaltor_1: (as long as your not downgrading, 20.2011 can be reflashed over 20.2011) | 13:39 |
| RzR | djszapi: hi there long time no see , are you going to fosdem ? | 13:39 |
| jonni | damaltor_1: if your just forgotten your password you can use rescuekernel&initrd to set your password again to be rootme, but if your getting group errors then its different story | 13:39 |
| djszapi | RzR: if I do not have a mishap again, yes. :p | 13:40 |
| damaltor_1 | on my phone, originally coming from the austrian market, there somehow is already 22.2011.44 installed. | 13:40 |
| damaltor_1 | so, i guess i can not just reflash with 20.2011.x | 13:40 |
| damaltor_1 | is that true? | 13:40 |
| RzR | I may came too , i am unsure now | 13:40 |
| jonni | damaltor_1: then you cannot downgrade | 13:40 |
| RzR | come | 13:40 |
| djszapi | damaltor_1: I can give you a package which sets it back | 13:41 |
| djszapi | :) | 13:41 |
| jonni | damaltor_1: you can just reflash with some MEA image that matches your current one. | 13:41 |
| jonni | damaltor_1: or use rescurekernel to setup passwd to be rootme again | 13:41 |
| damaltor_1 | oooh that sounds good. where do i find that? | 13:41 |
| damaltor_1 | djszapi: what package? an MEA one? | 13:41 |
| djszapi | no image, package :) | 13:42 |
| djszapi | but if you have time go for the image because my package would use some security hole. :p | 13:42 |
| jonni | damaltor_1: http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state which that you can mount root and edit etc/passwd | 13:42 |
| damaltor_1 | djszapi: ok, no problem. but i want to know details, as i am a linux user for years. :) | 13:42 |
| damaltor_1 | jonni: will read that. that would probably be the easiest way | 13:43 |
| djszapi | security hole is the easiest way, but it is nice if you have time to play it "correctly". | 13:43 |
| damaltor_1 | well, actually i have time. but i am interested. what security hole? | 13:44 |
| damaltor_1 | jonni: so, if i flash the said kernel images, i can mount the whole phone and edit /etc/passwd? do i have to re-flash the "old" kernel afterwards? | 13:45 |
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| jonni | damaltor_1: that doesnt flash anything, only loads kernel in ram | 13:45 |
| damaltor_1 | oh lol. i just saw the word "flasher". that sounds like a good idea though, and i qould not have to download the entire firmware again | 13:46 |
| damaltor_1 | but i need one more thing: can you tell me the correct has for "rootme" in /etc/passwd? | 13:46 |
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| damaltor_1 | i meant, the correch hash of course | 13:48 |
| damaltor_1 | oh come on. i really need a new keyboard | 13:48 |
| djszapi | root:SU.odxvRwp3Vs:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh | 13:48 |
| djszapi | yes, we understood it hash since that was the only relevant consequence of the typo ;-) | 13:48 |
| damaltor_1 | great, thank you djszapi. | 13:49 |
| damaltor_1 | this is obvoiusly not the hash wich is in my /etc/passwd | 13:49 |
| damaltor_1 | i actually googled for the hash wich is in my passwd file, and came up with like 10 results. so i guess it must be a freakin easy password, something like test or user or pass or such, but i have tried like 20 passwords yesterday | 13:50 |
| djszapi | that is what I have on my N950 | 13:50 |
| damaltor_1 | and it still is "rootme"? | 13:51 |
| djszapi | yep | 13:51 |
| damaltor_1 | so, that should work. | 13:51 |
| damaltor_1 | i will now switch to my computer (using girlfriends notebook atm), and reconnect to you both to keep you informed. be right back | 13:51 |
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| RzR | djszapi: please can u explain why libsdl from beta3 is not seen by obs ? ie : https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libtheora&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 13:55 |
| l32606 | hi all, I want to handle the QML signal in C++. I load the main.qml in C++ and the item with signal is in another qml file which pushed (pageStack.push) from main.qml. | 13:56 |
| l32606 | my code like that: QObject::connect(root, SIGNAL(searchHome(QString)), &myClass, SLOT(cppSlot(QString))); | 13:57 |
| l32606 | and i got: Object::connect: No such signal PageStackWindow_QMLTYPE_20_QML_43::searchHome(QString) in ..\untitled2\main.cpp:204 | 13:57 |
| djszapi | RzR: ask X-Fade | 13:58 |
| djszapi | as far as I understood, X-Fade updated the background operation, thus it is not the issue of a wrongly named control file or so inside the debian package, anymore. Might be some other issue. | 13:59 |
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| RzR | djszapi: ok i will double check | 14:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | ыгз | 14:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup | 14:03 |
| djszapi | RzR: and you ? coming to FOSDEM ? | 14:04 |
| RzR | donno it might be possible | 14:05 |
| RzR | i wish I manage to get there | 14:05 |
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| djszapi | l32606: why not just call a c++ slot from qml ? | 14:24 |
| l32606 | djszapi: thank you! you mean i should expose a c++ object with slot to qml? | 14:42 |
| l32606 | djszapi: it's work! thank you, again :) | 14:45 |
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| l32606 | djszapi: BTW, do you know how to change the display time for MNotification bar? Now the timeout is 5 seconds | 14:55 |
| djszapi | from code, or average phone user pov ? | 14:57 |
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| l32606 | from code. i want show a notification for about 1 minute. | 15:02 |
| l32606 | it's easy on maemo5 | 15:02 |
| djszapi | I am sorry, but I have no clue. I do not see such a setter/getter in the MNotification documentation. | 15:03 |
| djszapi | RzR: have you tried with osc first to figure out sup ? | 15:05 |
| djszapi | (libsdl1.2 issues, that is) | 15:05 |
| l32606 | djszapi: my requirement is show some additional info. when coming call. just above the call-ui. any suggestion? | 15:08 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: morning :) | 15:25 |
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| DrGrov | Hi everyone | 15:37 |
| DrGrov | Got a question about my N9's Contacts app. I tried opening it yesterday a few times and drag it down to close it. Seemed fine the first 4-5 times and then suddenly when I tried to open Contacts again it did not open at all. | 15:38 |
| DrGrov | Did I somehow close it wrong? I dragged from up to down to close it. Should I drag it from down to up and minimize it instead and then go and turn it off? | 15:38 |
| DrGrov | Is that somehow serious that it does not open up anymore? Risk of losing contact information because of that "bug"? | 15:39 |
| DrGrov | Anyone else seem to have/have had this issue? | 15:39 |
| Venemo | hey | 15:39 |
| Venemo | DrGrov, it shouldn't matter. | 15:40 |
| DrGrov | Hi Venemo | 15:40 |
| DrGrov | So does not matter which way I close it or minimize it? That is what you mean? | 15:40 |
| djszapi | DrGrov: have you tried a reboot ? | 15:41 |
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| djszapi | (or rather: starting from command line) | 15:41 |
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| DrGrov | djszapi: Yes, I have rebooted and tried to open it again in the same fashion. 4-5 times and eventually it just did not open anymore. Same as the first time I tried. | 15:42 |
| DrGrov | But it opened of course once I did a power off - power on thing. So no problem, just worried about losing contacts because it happened. | 15:43 |
| Venemo | DrGrov, yes, that's what I meant | 15:43 |
| djszapi | DrGrov: you can try to open it next time from cli | 15:44 |
| DrGrov | Venemo: Ok. I just thought since I was writing so much text that I got lost :D | 15:45 |
| DrGrov | djszapi: Will it always keep on doing this then unless I open it from a terminal and try to manually fix the issue? | 15:45 |
| djszapi | try to reproduce | 15:45 |
| djszapi | (make a backup beforehand for sure) | 15:46 |
| DrGrov | djszapi: So you mean every single time I open up Contacts I might possibly lose information because of it freezing and refusing to open again? | 15:47 |
| djszapi | no, I mean try to reproduce the issue, and if it is a real bug, you need to consider filing a bug about it with proper steps to reproduce. | 15:48 |
| DrGrov | djszapi: So you think I can not lose my contacts information due to the app freezing up? | 15:48 |
| djszapi | I have really no clue. You had an issue. I would try to reproduce it, and file a bug, if it is persistent. That is all. I am not talking about the technical details, but the process. | 15:49 |
| DrGrov | Ok | 15:50 |
| DrGrov | So basically the N9 can just simply decide to remove all my information and settings just like that? :D | 15:50 |
| DrGrov | Nice :) | 15:50 |
| DrGrov | :D | 15:50 |
| petteri | ? | 15:51 |
| DrGrov | petteri: Hi. No, I am just collaborating in my own brain a minor fail story IF that would actually happen. | 15:52 |
| petteri | ok, so i guess anything can happen there :D | 15:53 |
| DrGrov | petteri: When opening Contacts, freezing up and suddenly just remove all contacts & their information. :D | 15:53 |
| DrGrov | Well basically yes it can happen but the question is will it happen? :D | 15:53 |
| DrGrov | Nah, just wondering :) | 15:53 |
| DrGrov | petteri: Have you had such problems as I described with the Contacts app? | 15:54 |
| petteri | no such problems here | 15:54 |
| DrGrov | petteri: Good to hear. I just wondered that what could cause it but as long as I do not lose any contacts information such as numbers I am good. | 15:55 |
| petteri | maybe you have some wierd characters in your contacts or they are imported from some buggy place (like facebook or exchange) | 15:55 |
| DrGrov | petteri: I imported them from my iPhone 4 with Bluetooth | 15:55 |
| petteri | heheh, i would blame iphone | 15:56 |
| DrGrov | How you mean weird charachters? You mean å,ä,ö ? | 15:56 |
| petteri | no, i mean maybe broken encoding or something like that | 15:56 |
| DrGrov | petteri: Ok, what would you suggest me to do now then? | 15:57 |
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| DrGrov | It seems like all my contacts are displayed properly without any ex. funny symbols after them or in front | 15:57 |
| petteri | i would file a bug and then i would return the phone to initial settings and not import anything from i phone and see if it works :) | 15:58 |
| DrGrov | petteri: So how do you suggest me to get the contacts then? | 15:59 |
| DrGrov | petteri: How would I set up Google to import my contacts? Can I afterwards delete the sync between my phone and Google? | 15:59 |
| DrGrov | So I can preserve my contacts untouched on my phone but get rid of the constant Google syncing? | 16:00 |
| petteri | no idea, but as i don't have imported anything from iphone and everything is working fine for me, i just guessed that iphone is to blame | 16:00 |
| DrGrov | Ok, so no idea on the Google sync then. No worries. | 16:03 |
| DrGrov | Anyone else syncing their Google contacts on the N9? Please let me know since I might have to do it that way. | 16:03 |
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| DrGrov | Hi DocScrutinizer | 16:12 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Could you clarify for me the risk of having an iPhone 4 to import my contacts on my new N9 and somehow tweaking negatively with the Contacts app resulting for the app to freeze up after 4-5 times opening and closing it and thus making it impossible to start again? Just a reboot helps and it starts normally again. | 16:13 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Could it be the iPhone's way of sending the contacts via Bluetooth that has messed up the N9's Contacts app? | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | it might have "messed up" the contacts database, so in one contact there's smething that triggers a bug in the app | 16:14 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, what would you suggest me to do now then? Can I somehow safely get the contacts from the iPhone in a proper way? | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | we've seen similar problems with fremantle contacts app and contacts stored on SIM which made app sedfault | 16:15 |
| DrGrov | Or should I concentrate on enabling sync for Google contacts and bring them in that way and then disable syncing to Google? | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I have no good recommendation for that | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever works for you, is probably the best answer | 16:16 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, so the iPhone could be the cause for this problem then? | 16:17 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Could I do so that I backup the current contacts on the N9 and import them back? Could that perhaps solve the issue? | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't know, just saying we've seen contacts app segfault on "messy contact" (with odd chars or sth in it) in fremantle | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, exporting to a backup and then restoring that backup might help a lot | 16:18 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, I shall try that out in a little while tonight. | 16:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | DrGrov: do you have all contacts in iphone and want to get them in n9 ? | 16:19 |
| DrGrov | ZogG_laptop: Hi. I got them transferred yesterday from my iPhone 4 to my new N9 via Bluetooth at the local phone store. The guy did it for me since he knew how to do it and he has done it on his own N9. | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | given the (assumed) fact that contacts app is closed source, you probably should contact Nokia care and consider shouting at them ;-D | 16:20 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: The strange thing though is that there is no odd chars in my contacts at all. Just simple letters etc. No symbols. | 16:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | i got all contatcs from iphone | 16:20 |
| DrGrov | ZogG_laptop: I got all the contacts properly but now the Contacts app seems to freeze up after I close it so I can not re-open it anymore. just a reboot helps and I can open it again. | 16:21 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: :D | 16:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | maybe check the log | 16:21 |
| DrGrov | ZogG_laptop: Could it help if I do a backup of the contacts to the phone and restore them? | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | some investigations looking into syslog etc might shed some light on it | 16:22 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Then I have to enable developer-mode yes? | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: maybe | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dunno what you can do without develmode, I never bothered to test | 16:23 |
| DrGrov | ZogG_laptop: Has your Contacts app froze up on you and you can not start it again after you got the contacts transferred from the iPhone? | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I guess you will need xterm anyway | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_laptop: are you sure it's related to iPhone contacts import? | 16:24 |
| faenil | if there's anyone in here who can help with qml + gl issue | 16:24 |
| faenil | here's my thread | 16:24 |
| faenil | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/13434/ | 16:24 |
| faenil | :D | 16:24 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Probably best though that I start by making a backup of the contacts to the N9 and then try to import them, yes? | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it's just like "there's a race on 'closing' contacts app when there are many rich contacts stored, so it actually quits instead of entering daemonized mode" | 16:25 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ah, so perhaps the damn Contacts app is closed too "fast" so to speak? | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: as I said: whatever works best for you. Generally backups are always a good thing to have | 16:26 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Yes, that is true. Backups are always good, never know when need them :) | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: (too fast) yes, that's been my idea | 16:26 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I just wondered since you got more experience about all these things :) | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess contacts is preloaded | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | once it quits it might need a reboot to re-start | 16:27 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: That seems to be the case since it happened after I closed contacts 4-5 times and then it did not open anymore on me. | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: (more experience) definitely not on HARM | 16:27 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, but more experience about thinking straight at least with various technical stuff than me. That you most certainly have :) | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe I got used to it ;-) | 16:28 |
| DrGrov | So I might have closed it too quickly and re-opened it too fast so it permanently closed. That is what you mean, Doc? :) | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | something like that, yes | 16:29 |
| DrGrov | I think I shall try to open it and close it by dragging it down-up instead and close it manually from the multitasking view instead from now on to see if it makes any difference. | 16:29 |
| DrGrov | And surely check that the amount of contacts are still the same. | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | for unknown reason the process might have completely quit on "close" (as a usual process is supposed to do) rather than just acting on sigterm or whatever hets sent to it by simply hiding the window | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | might actually make a difference, as then it lost focus prior to SIGTERM getting sent | 16:31 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: So there is a possiblity that nothing is wrong with my contacts import? I think I then do as I mentioned to close it with down-up instead and close it manually. | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | while on dragging up-down you send "please close" while focus still on app | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | which may cause a race | 16:31 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ah yes, now when you explain it like that I do understand how you mean. | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | that is more likely to hit when app is busy with lots of contacts | 16:32 |
| DrGrov | There is not that many contacts there luckily ;-) | 16:32 |
| DrGrov | Let me say it is under 50 so that should be possible to handle but still could make it race to close | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | as stated above, you should blame Nokia, as there's only so much 'we' (the community) can do, assuming contacts app is closed source | 16:33 |
| DrGrov | The first thing is definitely a backup though before I start playing with this | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep :-D | 16:33 |
| DrGrov | Yes, of course I will/should blame Nokia if that is the case. Apparently it is not a contacts import issue but more an application issue with Contacts since apparently others have imported contacts succesfully from their iPhones. | 16:34 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: What is the best way to do the actual backup? Enough to do a backup within Contacts or should I try to do a system-wide backup from Settings... ? | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | might depend on how your contacts are structured, what infio is in them, etc | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: NFC, I never "used" HARM | 16:35 |
| DrGrov | I just have phone numbers stored there, no email addresses or such. And all numbers are with the international prefix. | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't even know if there's any backup app now | 16:35 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Roger that :) | 16:35 |
| DrGrov | There is some type of backup within the device. Not sure how it works or how it is supposed to work since I have not used it. | 16:36 |
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| DrGrov | But I will try to see here in a few hours what happens with a possible backup and if it solves(?) the issue. I am not sure though since the contacts only have phone numbers in them so that can not be a serious issue but never know of course. | 16:37 |
| DrGrov | I might try to import them again from the backup to make sure it is not a iPhone contacts import issue but more a Contacts app issue. | 16:37 |
| DrGrov | But I will be back in a few hours, talk to you later Doc :) | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 16:38 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I might be back with more idiotic questions later though ;-) | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen apps segfault on non-printable chars more than once | 16:39 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: What do you mean with non-printable chars? Could a dot be a non-printable char or a * ? | 16:40 |
| DrGrov | I mean I have one contact with dots in the middle of his name and a star in the beginning and end of his name | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | a non-printable char is a char you don't see in display | 16:40 |
| DrGrov | Could that perhaps cause the issue? | 16:40 |
| DrGrov | Ok, I see all the chars in the display so that is then not the case. | 16:40 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Gotta run, you will be online later? Talk to you later. | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you don't see the ones you don't see, though ;-) | 16:41 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: So if I see all the chars in the contacts app then there is no issues? No funny symbols are visible. | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you entered a ^G on iPhone, and N9 barfs up on it | 16:41 |
| DrGrov | Nothing like that :) | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | you never know | 16:42 |
| DrGrov | Nah, I am sure ;-) I never altered the contacts list in anyway after I fixed it up. | 16:42 |
| DrGrov | Be back later, hope to see you around DocScrutinizer | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe N9 segfaults on iPhones representation of Ü or ³ | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hard to tell | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I said, we've seen similar stuff on N900, when SIM had some "eird" contact | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | "weird" even | 16:44 |
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| Jare | don't they both use utf8 encoded chars? | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | missing 0x00 string delimiter when string uses full length of buffer... whatever | 16:45 |
| Jare | non-printable chars might be the problem though | 16:45 |
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| e-yes | hi all | 16:49 |
| BluesLee | hi e-yes | 16:52 |
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| e-yes | how to enable usbnetworking in n9 by shell-script? | 16:54 |
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| BluesLee | is it a bad idea to display the battery status every 10 minutes on the N9s low power lockscreen via cron? | 17:04 |
| BluesLee | i mean would this have any recognizable impact on the battery consumption ... | 17:04 |
| auenf | n9 has cron? | 17:07 |
| BluesLee | auenf: yepp | 17:07 |
| BluesLee | auenf: see deb subdir https://gitorious.org/cron-for-harmattan/cron | 17:08 |
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| auenf | now to work out if i can use cron to autoplay an audio playlist in random to wake me up... | 17:09 |
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| BluesLee | auenf: maybe a good idea to post it, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1150528#post1150528 | 17:26 |
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| kevinbAtN9 | hello | 17:28 |
| kevinbAtN9 | any url where to find default title bar size and others | 17:29 |
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| lucido | I looked but couldn't find the voice call api of harmattan, do you have any info on this? | 18:30 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I wonder could the problem with Contacts be because I have a entry starting with "*J..." | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I doubt it | 18:39 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Okay, sounds like then the problem is the closing too fast and reopening | 18:39 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: But of course I will now start to do the backup and restoring and making sure that it hopefully works like that. | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should have a look into dmesg/syslog | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ps ax|grep contact | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1264 user /usr/bin/contactsd | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 1362 user /usr/bin/contacts -prestart | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1376 user /usr/bin/invoker --type=m /usr/bin/contacts -prestart | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | what I thought: contactsd gets preloaded | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, -d | 18:42 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, you found that out easily from just that? | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/invoker --type=m /usr/bin/contacts -prestart, and /usr/bin/contacts -prestart, yes that's easy | 18:43 |
| DrGrov | Ok, so the N9 does preload Contacts. | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and 'closing' it shall not stop any of those processes | 18:43 |
| DrGrov | So by having me closing and reopening Contacts in rapid succession it becomes a race? | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | so the process needs to catch whatever SIGINT or SIGTERM the windowmanager is sending on "close window" event | 18:44 |
| DrGrov | And by having me closing "too fast" the Contacts app it does not have time to SIGINIT or SIGTERM. CorrecT? | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it fails on doing so, it will probably simply quit, and maybe nobody restarts it then, other than a reboot where it gets preloaded | 18:45 |
| DrGrov | Ok, so that is the case then what happened for me last night. Just that it does not restart itself, only a reboot helps. I am understanding this correctly Doc? | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | next time if breaks, you could try "/usr/bin/invoker --type=m /usr/bin/contacts -prestart" from xterm | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:46 |
| DrGrov | But I have no terminal? | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | enable develmode! | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 18:46 |
| DrGrov | Ah yes, that I did not know about :( | 18:46 |
| DrGrov | But I am learning, at least trying to :D | 18:46 |
| DrGrov | If it does crash on me again, could it be added some code that it automatically restarts itself? | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, we *could* do this... if only aegis wasn't kicking our ass whenever we try to tweak some initscripts | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | also it's all highly speculative right now, no evidence any of my hypothesis is true | 18:48 |
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| b00^portal | hello | 18:48 |
| b00^portal | err, I've managed to somehow screwup entering my root password on my N9, anyone has any idea how to re-set it ? | 18:49 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I am 100% sure that your hypothesis is true on what happened to me yesterday. It just did not start Contacts again without the reboot. | 18:49 |
| b00^portal | seems i've used invalid chars, and now completely dont' know what password I've actually set ... | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 18:50 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: For the time being would it be best that I close Contacts with dragging down to up and then going to multitask view and close it from there? | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: I can't even speculate on that | 18:50 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, I will try that option as well. It seems to take 4-5 times until it crashes so I will try to close it after a few minutes instead to see whether it duplicates itself or not. | 18:51 |
| DrGrov | *the issue duplicates itself or not | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: in fremantle dsme had a method to restart processes that unsolicitedly quit. But it stopped to do this on e.g. (and default) 3 restarts during 2 minutes | 18:52 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Aha. So it seems that the N9 is doing that same thing. I do not remember exactly if it was 4 or 5 times I tested, could have been 3 as well. I will try to open it up, wait those 2 minutes and close and open again. | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so another idea/hypothesis is: contacts app *always* segfaults when closed by your method, and usually the invoker (I guess that's what dsme is valled now) usually restarts it immediately. Not so, though, when you do that 3 times in 2 minutes while testing | 18:54 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: It is good, I have the possiblity to test it right now and I have the timer open. | 18:54 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: So my method of closing is too fast, yes? | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: you see testing bugs is an ambitious and demanding task :-) - with a lot of side effects to take into account | 18:55 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I see :) I got 39 in Phonebook now. I will now minimize it and try to close it once. Then open it up and leave it open minimized for 2 minutes. | 18:56 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I will also try to make it segfault to see whether is 39 again after reboot. | 18:56 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: But yes, export the contacts first ;-) | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: getting xterm you could do a simple "ps ax|grep contact" and see if the process' ID number changes after closing the window, what would mean it got restarted | 18:58 |
| DrGrov | Damn this, I can not export contacts to a file. :( | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | backup *should* do that though | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | to a location inside a tar-gz archive somewhere on MyDocs | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least that's what I'd expect to find | 19:01 |
| DrGrov | Ok, I will backup then firstly. Now I minimized Contacts window and have it open for 2 minutes at least and then close it and try to reopen it | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | contacts->menu->export->file->[select contacts]&[done] | 19:02 |
| DrGrov | It did not do that. I tried that method but it said that "Contacts could not be backed up" | 19:03 |
| DrGrov | Or something similar | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | sth got messed up with your database then, I'd guess | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously contacts makes contactsd blow chunks on hitting a certain "messed up" contact record in database | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | get xterm, do some ps | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | everything else is mere handwaving | 19:05 |
| DrGrov | Apparently yes, I will try to do some tweaks on the names and remove all * from names | 19:05 |
| DrGrov | See what happens then if it can do a proper export | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should remove/delete 50% of your contacts | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | see if it still segfaults | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | if yes: remove the other 50% too | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it still segfaults: reflash, or otherwise restore database structure to a clean empty state | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw database == tracker here :-/ | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | so "restore database structure" might mean you nuke tracker's database which will cause basically *all* conversations and contacts and whatnot else vanish same time - I guess that'S what you call colateral damage | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, I have to run, doing some shopping. So cya l8r | 19:09 |
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| DrGrov | How can I import my currently backed up contacts which I backed up to a file on the N9? | 19:23 |
| DrGrov | It does not give me any option to find them from Contacts. So how do I import that file I just backed up? | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | contacts->menu->inport_contacts->File->Contact_card->[one file per contact].vcf->[mark]->[back!! :-o]->done | 19:29 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I gotta recheck, seems like at least I got them backed up correctly once I removed the funny symbols like * in the contact name | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possibly the * might fsckup storing them to "*smith.vcf" | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't see though how this would cause contacts app to act up un normal usage and closing it | 19:32 |
| DrGrov | I went and removed all the * first from the names since it did not back them up at all first. After I removed the * from a contact name it backed up them properly. | 19:33 |
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| DrGrov | Now I just can not restore the damn thing :( | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why? where in above sketched chain of actions does it fail? | 19:33 |
| DrGrov | I do not get the option to import contacts from File. Just online services, SIM card and another device... | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 19:34 |
| cos^ | does everyone have problem that sharing a photo on facebook hangs at 100% until phone is restarted? | 19:35 |
| cos^ | and is there a workaround? | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seen same with sharing N900 photo to OVI when photo was too large in filesize | 19:36 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I just got those 3 options to choose between. I wonder what should I do now.. I know that the file is there somewhere but how can I restore it? | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need xterm | 19:37 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Is that a guaranteed way to get them back? | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# find /home/user/MyDocs/ -iname "*ab*vcf" | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/AB.vcf | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/AB(1).vcf | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls -l /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | check if there are 'strange names' of files in there, maybe "rm /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/*" and redo export | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | l8r | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 19:40 |
| DrGrov | I think I go and do it via Google contacts and rename the contacts there into proper form and import them via MfE | 19:42 |
| DrGrov | Could someone explain to me how to get that .vcf properly back? | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I already explained to you. If your contacts app refuses to show "from File" option for import, there's something wrong either with contacts app itself and/or the contatcs db aka tracker db, or with your folder /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | plug device to PC via USB mass storage, see what's with "Contacts" directory | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | if, and what, *.vcf files are in there | 19:50 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: So you mean I should delete something in order to make the contacts app work properly? | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | it there are suspicious ones, rename or remove them | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 19:50 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: What exactly you suggest me to delete then? I can not delete everything yes? | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and finally enable develmode and get xterm ;-) | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | first look what'S actually in there, if anything at all | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably should have 52 *.vcf files with anmes of your contacts. maybe one that looks like"*J...vcf" | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | you of course can delete them all, as you always can export them again | 19:53 |
| DrGrov | Ok, I got it plugged in now as USB mass storage mode | 19:55 |
| DrGrov | Where to you said? | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Contacts | 19:55 |
| DrGrov | Stange, the folder is called Kontaker. Swedish for Contacts | 19:55 |
| DrGrov | That is mighty strange | 19:55 |
| DrGrov | Everything else is in English | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, there's some *magick* going on there | 19:56 |
| DrGrov | Yeah, it is :D LOL | 19:56 |
| DrGrov | I might rename it or? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | depending also on your desktop file browser you use | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | NO, don'zt mess with name of dir | 19:56 |
| DrGrov | Ok, roger that :) | 19:56 |
| DrGrov | I will now at least copy them over to my hard drive, I can do that yes? | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather, select "properties" from context menu, or sth | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | you also can just open them in notepad or whatever editor you got | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | and look into them | 19:57 |
| DrGrov | Ok, I will make a dir on my hard drive where I put them. It is the correct amount there it seems, 39 of them. | 19:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is some strange filename among them? | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sth with special chars, like * or ( or / or sth | 19:58 |
| DrGrov | No, they seem all fine | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, just remove all of them on phone, and do the export thing again, now that you have "fixed" the "*J..." contact | 19:59 |
| DrGrov | There is a name with ABC-amm | 19:59 |
| DrGrov | Could the "-" cause issues? | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 20:00 |
| DrGrov | Ok | 20:00 |
| DrGrov | I have removed all of them already from the phone so Contacts are empty | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | - and _ seems "normal" chars | 20:00 |
| DrGrov | Ok | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | good | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | now ... UNPLUG!... do export again, look | 20:00 |
| DrGrov | I already fixed the "*J" contact before I did the backup | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | into the dir again, after replugging | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe only export ONE contact | 20:01 |
| DrGrov | Wait | 20:01 |
| DrGrov | You mean I delete now the .vcf files from Contacts on the phone? | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course your issue actually also might be caused by 'magick' | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:01 |
| DrGrov | And put them back? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you remove the *.vcf files in Contacts dir | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | only if you haven't already nuked ypour contacts in contacts app | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you redo export of ONE contact as file | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | while NOT in mass storage mode! | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | then see if contacts app now offers inport of that one .vcf file into contacts | 20:03 |
| DrGrov | Got it | 20:04 |
| DrGrov | I think I found the problem | 20:04 |
| DrGrov | One of my contacts has a "&" in it | 20:04 |
| DrGrov | That could explain the issue, yes? | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | OUCH! | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 139 Jan 14 18:07 AB2_¿.vcf | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that'S BAD[TM] | 20:05 |
| DrGrov | I will rename that contact manually, yes? Or should I open up the text file and change it there as well to the exact same thing? | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, the names of those files basically shouldn't matter at all | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you can rename to whatever you like | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | just keep .vcf | 20:06 |
| DrGrov | Ok, the names does not matter if it has a "&" in it but the .vcf file if it has a "&" in it is bad? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:06 |
| DrGrov | I change in the .vcf ok | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | you just rename the file | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | no ned to edit it | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | need* | 20:06 |
| DrGrov | Ok, just rename the file to not have & in it? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL, this contact actually got name "AB2¿" in contacts here | 20:08 |
| DrGrov | I can rename it direclty on the phone as well or should I copy the .vcf files back to the phone only after I have change that .vcf name to not have & in it? | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | rename where ever you can :-) | 20:08 |
| DrGrov | Ok | 20:08 |
| DrGrov | So now I delete them from the phone and copy them back from my backup the .vcf files? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess Contacts app is simply using last_name of contact as filename. Now if last_name has illegal chars, things start to blow chunks | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | we had same brainfart in fremantle microB bookmarks | 20:10 |
| DrGrov | _ , - , å , ä , ö are fine in the names? | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | which got constructed from webpage titles, which of course could have "/" in them | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | for all I could tell they *should* be fine | 20:11 |
| DrGrov | Ok, I have removed them from the phone now and recopying them back | 20:11 |
| DrGrov | The file name which had "&" is renamed now | 20:12 |
| DrGrov | The entry itself can have "&" in it yes? The name displayed in the .vcf file? | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, now for real... afk | 20:12 |
| DrGrov | The file name can not have "&" in it | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | oh those toy filesystems ... | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | >" " | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are tools, and there are toys, and then there's also mere crap | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and sloppy coders | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ...who just see char[]* filename and don't care to start a thinking, not for 2 euro cent | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | "works on my machine with my data set" certified | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah XP | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 20:18 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Still not able to import the file when I check on the Contacts on phone. | 20:22 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I need to go into the .vcf file and really change all them to display properly to get them to show up? Take away all charachters which are illegal? | 20:23 |
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| DrGrov | God damn this | 20:45 |
| DrGrov | I still can see the option "File" from where to import contacts | 20:46 |
| DrGrov | I double checked all names and so and it should be fine but still no option. Argh | 20:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | how bad of an idea is it to hot-insert a SIM | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | `Unless they say explicitly you can, it may kill the device. | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It shouldn't - of course, but... | 20:59 |
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| mgedmin | If by "hot-insert" you mean "do it while the phone is turned on", I think N9 explicitly supports this | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | I've done that, the N9 didn't complain | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | detected the new SIM, asked for a PIN, IIRC | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | otoh on the n950 I had to force a reboot before it would see my hot-plugged SIM | 21:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: yeah, that's what i meant...ok | 21:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what about hot remove? | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | good question | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | wasn't there some piece of paper with the N9? | 21:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in order to buy anything from the ovi store without billing it to my phone plan, i apparently have to have my at&t sim card out of the phone | 21:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that might be the piece of paper that was in spanish | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | the n9 has built-in help too | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | it tells you how to put it in and remove it | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't mention anything about turning the phone off or on | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | I would assume it is safe to hot-remove the SIM | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | (but if your N9 breaks, don't go after me with feral lawyers) | 21:09 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: lol | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, thanks | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'll probably still avoid it unless i read that everyone else is doing it, since i have an imported N9 with no local warranty, and there aren't any nokia service shops anywhere | 21:23 |
| DrGrov | God damn these contacts | 21:23 |
| DrGrov | I gotta do something, apparently all the contacts are correct in .vcf format but I can not get them imported back | 21:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: are the contacts on the pc? what are you using to import them | 21:24 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: I have the contacts as .vcf cards now on the phone. I exported the contacts on the phone. They are there but I can not seem to get them back. It does not give me the option to back up from file in contacts | 21:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, you're trying to get the vcf file off the phone? | 21:25 |
| DrGrov | No, I am trying to import it back from the contacts app. | 21:25 |
| DrGrov | All my .vcf files | 21:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe try doing it fron the pc w/ nokia suite? | 21:25 |
| DrGrov | I am running Linux, no Windows/Mac here ;-) | 21:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :( are there any open source nokia sync tools? i think the n9 has the same interface for syncing as other symbian phones | 21:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hence why nokia suite works with it, unofficially | 21:27 |
| DrGrov | Should there be one .vcf file for every contact or one big .vcf file containing all contacts? | 21:27 |
| DrGrov | I might have to end up retrieving all my contacts from Google | 21:27 |
| DrGrov | Hate to go there and alter them but apparently the only solution for this | 21:28 |
| DrGrov | One thing though... Can I delete the Google account after I have synced over my contacts without losing the contacts? | 21:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | can't help you on any of that stuff but maybe someone else here can | 21:29 |
| DrGrov | Thanks itsnotabigtruck though :) I shall stay around and wait to see what happens | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: exporting "all" should result in one big .vcf file containing all contacts | 21:38 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: That has not happened. | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | emphasis on *should* | 21:38 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: It looks like a list of all 39 contacts as 39 .vcf files | 21:38 |
| DrGrov | So something must have gone horribly wrong there | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHA, my N9 says "can not export contacts" | 21:39 |
| b00^portal | DocScrutinizer, same here ... | 21:39 |
| DrGrov | Yes, it does say that. Got that same issues since the odd weird symbols in my contacts name | 21:39 |
| b00^portal | no weird symbols in mine, as far as i know .. | 21:39 |
| DrGrov | b00^portal: I thought that as well but apparently there were some there anyhow :( | 21:39 |
| DrGrov | Could it work so if I open up my Google contacts via browser on the computer, make the necessary modifications and make it up-to-date and then copy the .vcf file to the phone and import it? | 21:40 |
| DrGrov | I know that Google contacts in .vcf format is one big file with all contacts in there | 21:41 |
| DrGrov | So that should perhaps work? | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, a contact with "*" in the name causes "can not export contacts", amazingly also when trying to export 'all', so probably it doesn't know of aggregated .vcf format | 21:41 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: You think that suggestion I had might work since it would give me only one big .vcf file with all my contacts? | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I don't understand that | 21:42 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I mean that I would go with my desktop computer to my Google contacts, make the modifications and make it up-to-date on the web and then export it as a .vcf file or whatever and copy that over to the phone in contacts and then import it via the contacts application? | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think exporting a batch of contacts shouldn't result in one .vcf per contact, but rather in a file containig all contacts | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: no idea about that | 21:44 |
| DrGrov | Yes but for me I had 39 contacts and it created 39 separate .vcf files so that is wrong. On Google though I can get 1 big .vcf file with those 39 contacts which should be correct | 21:44 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, I will at least try it. Nothing can be more fcuked now anyhow :D LOL | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm, N9 doesn't offer "import from file" | 21:45 |
| DrGrov | Yes, that is what I have been trying to tell you. | 21:45 |
| DrGrov | So how do I get them back into the phone now then? :( | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | trying to tell me??? | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | c'mon I'm not a moron | 21:45 |
| DrGrov | Yes, I know. | 21:45 |
| DrGrov | But I told you that I did not find the option "import from file" | 21:45 |
| DrGrov | But I can save it as a file which is odd | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, I know. So what? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I told you on N950 it shows that option | 21:46 |
| DrGrov | You did not mention that it shows on the N950 specifically IIRC ? | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now I found it doesn't on N9, and I don't know if that'S related to device, or rather to problems with exporting a contact with "*" in the name | 21:47 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, no worries :) | 21:47 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I will try to get them in a big .vcf file off Google first and then try to import that .vcf file. | 21:48 |
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| DrGrov | Of course there is a minor problem, or at least could be, since it did not import those 39 separate .vcf files as well | 21:48 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: dude, they gave me a new phone.... | 21:49 |
| DrGrov | But I will try to fix them to not have any "*" or such symbols in them and try again | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: wait a minute | 21:50 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok | 21:50 |
| DrGrov | I will wait | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, N9 didn't magically show "from file" option when switching $LANG to En_en aka "English(UK)" | 21:52 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok. I found this, http://blog.zx2c4.com/660 | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | N950 still shows "from file" option when switching $LANG from English(UK) to Deutsch | 21:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer clicks the URL with a shudder | 21:54 | |
| DrGrov | I think I need get all my contacts as one single .vcf file from Google. That would help me a lot | 21:54 |
| Corsac | aha bada and tizen merge | 21:55 |
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| Corsac | the fact that contacts and sms are stored in the tracker db is completely surealist imho | 21:56 |
| Corsac | I though the tracker was supposed to index stuff, not store them | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: BWAHAHAHAHA | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | (for merger) | 21:57 |
| Corsac | :) | 21:57 |
| Corsac | (and indeed, export fails) | 21:57 |
| befr0d | how are they going to call it now | 21:57 |
| Corsac | badzen maybe | 21:57 |
| Free-MG | badzen :) | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | intl going to fsck another "competitor". Embrace and suffocate - seems we all know that, form M$ | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: on HARM they (Nokia) decided it was a good idea to abuse tracker not only as directory service but instead actually sore raw data to it, rather than only metadata | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | sTore* | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredibly insane concept, given how fsckdup tracker was already on fremantle | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/tracker/the whole concept of hiding real filenames/ | 22:01 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: incredibly insane concept, given how fsckdup the whole concept of hiding real filenames was already on fremantle | 22:01 |
| befr0d | In 2011, bada phones made up about 2% of the global smartphone market — greater than the share held by Microsoft’s Windows Phone. | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | also the amount of WTF tracker indexing introduced all the time | 22:01 |
| befr0d | heh one still wonders why nokia went wp way | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's been M$ "embrace and suffocate" of what left over from Nokia, after Intel got done with them | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Intel now takes care of killing bada | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's see if Samsung will also get eaten by M$ after intel is thru with them | 22:04 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: the problem for me is that tracker db seems easy to corrupt | 22:04 |
| Corsac | and thus you might lose real data | 22:05 |
| Corsac | while losing indexing stuff is not really a problem | 22:05 |
| Corsac | you just have to reindex | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, only one of the plethora of problems with idiotic tracker concept | 22:05 |
| DrGrov | Now I got the contacts in one single .vcf file | 22:06 |
| DrGrov | called contacts.vcf | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | to do it right and stylish, they should have used a special microscopic tape drive to store tracker db on it | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | or puch cards | 22:06 |
| DrGrov | Now I will connect the phone and remove those 39 .vcf files and get this shit together :) | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | punch even | 22:06 |
| DrGrov | Hopefully the phone recognizes the .vcf card I have now | 22:07 |
| DrGrov | Damn it if it does not :( It makes me sad if it does not recognize it | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | it won't offer "import from file" | 22:07 |
| DrGrov | You are absolutely sure about that? | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems broken in 2011-40.4 version and later | 22:08 |
| DrGrov | Ok, what is the next suggestion then? At least I gotta get them out from the phone yes? | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: wel, I exported 2 or three single contacts to .vcf, and it still doesn't show the option. So what would it make show that option when the size of the vcf is different? | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: you already pasted the URL which has the solution | 22:09 |
| pawky | does anybody know how to remove the huge pile of different language options in Swype? I just need a few... | 22:10 |
| Corsac | it's too bad “import contacts” from contacts app doesn't have “file” | 22:10 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, I am screwed then. Or then I will install that app | 22:10 |
| Corsac | you could use syncml, too | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, was that a question? if yes, then I didn'z understand | 22:10 |
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| DrGrov | Should I anyhow go and delete the .vcf files on the phone? | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: on that page this dude wrote that cmdline tool works just fine to import vcf | 22:11 |
| DrGrov | Corsac: Syncml? If I sync them can I somehow turn off sync and remove my Google account afterwards? | 22:11 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ah, so I do not need any .deb package. | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, or you sync google to have zero contacts like your phone :-P | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, the import tool is already on board AIUI | 22:12 |
| DrGrov | Ok, so I can easily just enable devel mode and open up the terminal and fix it? | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | for export to a single large file, and with contacts that have "*" in last_name you need the app of that webpage | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:13 |
| DrGrov | Now I do not have any contacts anymore with a "*" in them since I went over to Google contacts with a browser and changed all of them | 22:13 |
| DrGrov | And exported a fresh .vcf file with them all. | 22:14 |
| DrGrov | Do I get the terminal by enabling devel mode? | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:15 |
| DrGrov | Does the terminal disappear after I turn off devel mode? So it is enough that I copy that huge .vcf file I just altered into perfect shape and use the command line to import it? | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:17 |
| DrGrov | How do I use vcardconverter then? That webpage does not explain that at all :( | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>...The console app “vcardconverter” successfully digests vcards,... << >>It spits all the contacts out into one giant vcard file that ***can be reimported later with vcardconverter***. Simple and easy.<< | 22:18 |
| DrGrov | But I do not understand how to use vcardconverter. Is that built in already or ? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# vcardconverter --help | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Unable to open --help: No such file or directory | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I gather it's >> vcardconverter path/to/your/dir/with/vcard.vcf | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> vcardconverter path/to/your/vcard.vcf | 22:20 |
| DrGrov | Ok, I shall try that. Thanks for bearing with me Doc :) | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. vcardconverter /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/MyHugeFile.vcf | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or even >> vcardconverter /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/*.vcf | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# vcardconverter /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/ | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Unable to open /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/: file to open is a directory | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# vcardconverter /home/user/MyDocs/Contacts/AB* | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | libqtcontacts-tracker: initializing libqtcontacts-tracker 4.14.10-2+0m6 for /usr/bin/vcardconverter [2235] | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Successully imported 1 contacts. | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ should have been THREE | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nlot just one | 22:24 |
| DrGrov | Ok, I will try now to see if I get it working. Hopefully god damn it :( | 22:27 |
| DrGrov | You had 3 files? | 22:27 |
| DrGrov | Where do I find devel mode in Settings.. = | 22:28 |
| DrGrov | ? | 22:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/152253/ | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: "security" | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/152253/ Don't use such rogue things like "¿" in any of your contacts ;-P | 22:33 |
| DrGrov | I just got one big file called contacts.vcf containing the 39 contacts | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | the above note was maybe for mgedmin rather than particularly you | 22:35 |
| mgedmin | which one? | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/152253/ Don't use such rogue things like "¿" in any of your contacts ;-P | 22:35 |
| mgedmin | yeah, people with non-English names ought to be rounded up and put in detention camps ;) | 22:36 |
| mgedmin | seriously | 22:36 |
| mgedmin | who wrote this stuff and how did they test it? | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | ... did they test it? | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway it seems there's a more fundamental problem with UTF-8 in shell | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | on HARM | 22:37 |
| DrGrov | Now the phone reboots after installind developer-mode. Anything else I need to install before I open terminal? | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | as the file already exists | 22:38 |
| mgedmin | I hope you're not friends with Bobby `rm -rf /` Root | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: nope | 22:38 |
| DrGrov | So now just the god terminal and try? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:39 |
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| DrGrov | Exact command and path please Doc :) | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | open xterm aka terminal | 22:39 |
| DrGrov | It is open now | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | vcardconverter /home/user/MyDocs/<yourfilename.vcf> | 22:40 |
| DrGrov | Ah, it is /home/user/MyDocs/Kontakter/contacts.vcf | 22:41 |
| DrGrov | Does autocompletion work like on Linux systems with TAB? | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | err yes | 22:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised to find no 'magick' there and name is Contacts though | 22:42 |
| DrGrov | FUCK YEAH! :) | 22:42 |
| admiral0 | hello people | 22:42 |
| DrGrov | The output is "Succesfully imported 39 contacts" GOD DAMN :) | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 22:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer highfives DrGrov | 22:43 | |
| * DrGrov highfives DocScrutinizer back and hugs him :) | 22:43 | |
| DrGrov | How do I close terminal now? :D Up to down or exit? :D | 22:43 |
| admiral0 | yes | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^D | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 22:44 |
| DrGrov | Which one? | 22:44 |
| DrGrov | I gotta choose which one :D | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ctrl-D | 22:44 |
| DrGrov | Nah, Ctrl-D is too advance still :D | 22:44 |
| DrGrov | :) | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | so use good'ol 'exit' | 22:45 |
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| DrGrov | Now I gotta check though that the 39 contacts actually are there :D | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:45 |
| CaCO3 | hi all | 22:45 |
| CaCO3 | does any body know how I can switch to my app, if I start it a 2nd time and it is already running | 22:46 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: They are there, the 39 contacts :) | 22:47 |
| CaCO3 | If I press the icon, nothing happens, since I use the --single-instance flag on invoker | 22:47 |
| CaCO3 | I am using Python and I am wondering if I have to register my app somehow on DBUS? | 22:47 |
| CaCO3 | Since gPodder does what i want, but its hase soo much code that i am not able to finde the needed peices | 22:48 |
| DrGrov | Gotta ask. How do I put my custom made ringtones on the phone? In which directory should I store them? How about where to store wallpapers? | 22:48 |
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| ajalkane | DrGrov: profiled handles ringtones. See /etc/profiled | 22:51 |
| ajalkane | DrGrov: also see for DBus interface http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/profiled/blobs/master/profile_dbus.h | 22:52 |
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| DrGrov | ajalkane: I am just wondering how to copy them there so it is proper... I have a few ringtones on my computer I like to get to show up on the N9 | 22:53 |
| admiral0 | is there a way to toggle power management via dbus? | 22:53 |
| ajalkane | DrGrov: just copy them to your Music | 22:54 |
| admiral0 | the one in settings->battery->power management | 22:54 |
| DrGrov | ajalkane: Does not matter where in Music? You mean /home/user/MyDocs/Music? | 22:54 |
| DrGrov | I can have folders as well in the Music directory? | 22:54 |
| ajalkane | DrGrov: yeah that's the place | 22:55 |
| ajalkane | Subfolders in there probably work too | 22:55 |
| DrGrov | ajalkane: Thank you :) How about pictures, where do I put them? I want to get some nicer wallpapers to play around with ;-) | 22:55 |
| ajalkane | DrGrov: sorry I don't remember where wallpapers were supposed to be put. There was some special place. | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: it's completely irerelevant where you store mp3/whatever to use as ringtones, thanks to tracker and the way ringtones get handled they will be found everywhere and are not needed after you have set them for ringtone | 22:56 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Good to know. I will just dump all my music with subfolders and stuff in /home/user/MyDocs/Music then ;-) | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | no problem for ringtones, and tracker will not care about subfolders - alas | 22:57 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: You know where to put wallpapers I have? | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably same as for ringtones applies | 22:57 |
| mpr | what happens if I define a mime type for my application in its .desktop file and the mime action is invoked, but the application is already running? how do I get access to the uri that was invoked? | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | tracker will find them anywhere so they show up in galery, then on "make that a wallpapaer" it gets copied to a "secrit" place | 22:57 |
| DrGrov | Ok, I create a own folder called Wallpapers then and just dump them there? If not I just delete the folder afterwards ;-) | 22:57 |
| DrGrov | Secret you say? :) | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | like in /gome/user/.local | 22:58 |
| DrGrov | Thanks Doc for helping with those damn contacts and getting them right ;-) | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Home even | 22:58 |
| DrGrov | Should I disable devel mode now then or should I keep it active? | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | just keep it, it doesn't hurt | 22:59 |
| DrGrov | Yeah, you are right. I still do not see the icons so much since they got dropped down below so no worries. Good perhaps later to have a terminal to fool around with :) | 22:59 |
| CaCO3 | Nobody a clue ? :( | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | CaCO3: somebody has | 23:00 |
| CaCO3 | who? | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | just wait an hour and then repeat question in one line (terse form) | 23:00 |
| CaCO3 | I saw in older logas that thp and atemm had a discussion about that last August :| | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | like "how to make running instance go foreground when clicking applauncher icon again?" | 23:01 |
| CaCO3 | yes | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess your idea with dbus might be right | 23:01 |
| posix | is there any quick way to disable aegis checks for some binaries on the system? or to grant full privileges to some testing binaries | 23:02 |
| CaCO3 | gPodder can do it, and I saw it seems to use dbus, but there are soo many files, I cant find the critical part :( | 23:02 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: How about videos? What formats can I put and how big resolution? 720p works? | 23:02 |
| mpr | for me it would seem to work if you just remove the --single-instance, I guess there's some magic that prevents multiple instances from being launched even then | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: sorry nfc | 23:03 |
| dm8tbr | posix: open mode kernel? | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just again, probably you can put them anywhere | 23:03 |
| mpr | it just brings the app to foreground if it's running, doesn't launch another instance | 23:03 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, no problem. Thanks :) | 23:03 |
| CaCO3 | mpr: if i remove --single-instance, it will run my app a 2nd time :( | 23:03 |
| mpr | oh | 23:03 |
| DrGrov | Nfc? | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nfc | 23:04 |
| infobot | rumour has it, nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications | 23:04 |
| CaCO3 | mpr: It might be because i run a shel lscript which launches python | 23:04 |
| posix | dm8tbr humm open mode seems good... can you point me some documentation? | 23:04 |
| DrGrov | Anyone know what maximum resolution videos I can use with the N9? How about 720p? | 23:04 |
| mpr | ah, but you're still using the invoker, if I just run the binary directly then at least for me it doesn't seem to launch a new instance | 23:04 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: As I predicted, I directly thought about Near Field Communications :D LOL | 23:04 |
| posix | dm8tbr will that required me to install a new image on the phone? | 23:04 |
| posix | require* | 23:04 |
| dm8tbr | no | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | posix: /topic | 23:05 |
| tonyoy | CaCO3: don't know if it could help but been thru a dbus meld patch recently http://mail.gnome.org/archives/meld-list/2011-December/msg00001.html | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~no-aegis | 23:05 |
| infobot | i guess aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 23:05 |
| mpr | I'd actually like to know what prevents the launching of a second instance in my case, does qt do some checking at some point during initialization and just bring the previous instance to foreground and exit if it finds one or what? | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:07 |
| mpr | do you know where that happens more specifically? | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | related to dbus iirc | 23:08 |
| ajalkane | CaCO3: My Exec line is just something like this: Exec=/usr/bin/invoker --type=d -s /opt/profilematic/bin/profilematic | 23:08 |
| ajalkane | It launches just single instance | 23:08 |
| CaCO3 | ajalkane: and if you click on the icon again? | 23:08 |
| ajalkane | It opens the existing instance | 23:08 |
| ajalkane | the type parameter must match the application tpe | 23:09 |
| CaCO3 | but you have abinary, right? I have a shell script, which can not be run with -d | 23:09 |
| ajalkane | --type=d means QML + C++ applciation (declarative) | 23:09 |
| ajalkane | ah | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | it mustn't spawn a new process I guess | 23:09 |
| CaCO3 | There has to be a way with Python, since gPodder can do it | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | invoke the *.py directly? | 23:10 |
| ajalkane | Okay supporting shell scripts must be much harder | 23:10 |
| ajalkane | I don't think invoker directly supports shell scripts | 23:10 |
| ajalkane | so you probably need to have a wrapper scripts that checks if your app is running | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | invoker probably not | 23:11 |
| mgedmin | there's a second helper | 23:11 |
| ajalkane | and then if it is, send it a dbus command to activate its window | 23:11 |
| tonyoy | CaCO3: meld is made with python | 23:11 |
| CaCO3 | I couldnt figure out how to activate a running task | 23:11 |
| mgedmin | ajalkane, /usr/bin/single-instance | 23:11 |
| mgedmin | it creates a lock file in /var/uhsomewhereIdontremember | 23:11 |
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| ajalkane | mgedmin: but it only ensures only one process is running, it doesn't activate it's window. Right? | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | it worked with FBReader | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | which was a C++ app built with Qt without any fancy shmancy QML | 23:12 |
| ajalkane | Ok. Worth trying. Go for gold CaCo :) | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | i.e. it did activate the window when I clicked on it on the icon | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: /var/run/ | 23:13 |
| mgedmin | I once had trouble when fbreader crashed but the lock file remained | 23:13 |
| CaCO3 | tonyoy: do you have mled running on harmattan? | 23:14 |
| mgedmin | and prevented me from running new instances from the menu | 23:14 |
| mgedmin | anyway, now there's official QMLized fbreaders and all the troubles are in the past | 23:14 |
| CaCO3 | it would not be too hard to see if a task is running. the difficult task is how to switch to it... | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus | 23:14 |
| CaCO3 | how? | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | dbus is, of course, the proper answer | 23:15 |
| CaCO3 | :) any links explaining it? | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | hm, any good python apps for harmattan that we could use as examples? | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | main does that for you | 23:15 |
| tonyoy | CaCO3, :-)) not yet, but I thought the dbus registering stuff provided in the patch could be informative for you | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | gpodder was a python app, but didn't thp rewrite it in qml? | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | or is it still python + qt bindings + qml? | 23:15 |
| CaCO3 | its python + QML | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | cool | 23:15 |
| CaCO3 | I write many apps in Python + QML, it works quite good, except boost seems not to be available | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | BOOOOOST | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | bwahahaha | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | the only lib that nuked my desktop HDD when I tried to build it | 23:16 |
| mgedmin | seriesfinale is also python | 23:16 |
| CaCO3 | or what ever is needed to BOOST startup QML | 23:17 |
| RST38h | AFAIK BOOST does not nuke HDDs, but it is still evil | 23:17 |
| ajalkane | I'm not sure how efficient boost is. Anyway even the current SDK builds non-working boostable example. | 23:17 |
| mgedmin | seriesfinale uses /usr/bin/invoker --single-instance --type=e | 23:17 |
| ajalkane | Or was it previous SDK, I haven't perhaps checked the latest. | 23:17 |
| DrGrov | I hope I made the right choice by getting the 64GB and not only 16GB... | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: it actually nukes HDD that have less than 5GB free space | 23:17 |
| mgedmin | and it also uses qml from python | 23:18 |
| ajalkane | oh you're talking about C++ boost, not harmattan boostable thing :). | 23:18 |
| posix | ok ty guys.. ill try that kernel | 23:18 |
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| ajalkane | I used boost somewhat many years ago, it's hideous crap to build. Which made me to not use it anymore if I can avoid it. | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 23:18 |
| CaCO3 | I guess I mean another boost tahn you guys understand :) | 23:19 |
| CaCO3 | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/main.html | 23:19 |
| CaCO3 | But AFAIK it only works with C++ apps but not Python ;( | 23:20 |
| ajalkane | One of my projects uses an old boost library, which is incompatible with the newer one. So I'm stuck with ancient boost because is such a pain to build cross-platform that I rather rewrite the thing to not use boost than try building it | 23:20 |
| DrGrov | Can I use images that are 960x800 as wallpapers? | 23:21 |
| DrGrov | Or does the N9 crop them to look ugly? | 23:21 |
| CaCO3 | DrGrov: it will crop it, but not resice | 23:21 |
| CaCO3 | I use 854x854 since I use lock screen rotation | 23:22 |
| admiral0 | anyone know how to set psm from cmdline?! | 23:22 |
| DrGrov | CaCO3: Ok, I do not use lockscreen rotation. Not yet at least but eventually. So hopefully the would look good if they are 960x800 or bigger? | 23:22 |
| DrGrov | CaCO3: Do you know where to put the wallpapers? Does not matter yes? You know about where to put videos? | 23:23 |
| CaCO3 | I am sure they will be cropped. | 23:23 |
| DrGrov | Yes, if they are cropped no problem since I hope they look good. That is the only thing. Not so important if they lose some or not. | 23:23 |
| CaCO3 | wallpapers: /home/user/.wallpapers/wallpaper.png | 23:23 |
| CaCO3 | see http://www.ruinelli.ch/harmattan/rotate-lock-screen | 23:24 |
| DrGrov | CaCO3: Do they need to go there? | 23:25 |
| DrGrov | CaCO3: Can't I just copy all my images somewhere on the phone and they show up in gallery from where I can choose wallpaper? | 23:25 |
| CaCO3 | thats the default place where gallery puts them and also where Harmattan picks it up | 23:25 |
| DrGrov | So it is enough to put them in /home/user/MyDocs/Wallpapers? | 23:26 |
| ajalkane | DrGrov: you need to put them in there, otherwise how would the phone know what are wallpapers and what are for example pictures you took with phone? | 23:26 |
| CaCO3 | yes, and then use gallery to select it. gallery how ever will crop it | 23:26 |
| DrGrov | ajalkane: Why would it matter since gallery would probably pick them up and just let me crop it? | 23:26 |
| ajalkane | DrGrov: Gallery picks up everything. Settings -> Wallpaper only picks up those that are "wallpapers". Hence the separation. | 23:27 |
| ajalkane | But from Gallery you can set a picture to be wallpaper | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: no | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't put things into .dirs | 23:27 |
| ajalkane | I guess it just copies the picture, after cropping, to the wallpaper location | 23:27 |
| DrGrov | ajalkane: Ah ok. I see. | 23:27 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: No, I do not put into ".Wallpapers" | 23:28 |
| CaCO3 | I actually the path to the wallpaper is stored in gconf, so you could change it there! | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | HARM will put things there, when you select "wallpaper" | 23:28 |
| DrGrov | I know they are hidden with the . | 23:28 |
| CaCO3 | Might do that for my rotate lcok screen app, since a normal user can not put wallpapers into the mentioned path | 23:28 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: So is it enough that I make a folder called Pictures which I transfer over to the phone? | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | awesome tracker crap will do the rest, hiding any "Pictures/" folder you created | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | sort your pictures any way you like, tracker will find them and throw all on one bag | 23:30 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, I will just let it be called Pictures now until I move it over and leave it like that on the phone as well. | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're free to redo all your sorting effort in tracker tools like gallery, by assigning so called tags to your pictures | 23:30 |
| * ajalkane senses a certain distain for tracker magic | 23:31 | |
| Tronic | I love it how the tracker will also add all my recorded phone calls, ringtones and such to the music player instead of only using the Music folder. | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | tracker == mother of BS | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually Nokia concept of abusing tacker like that is THE BULLSHIT | 23:32 |
| DrGrov | Tronic: So you just put everything you want in which ever folder you like and just copy it over? | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | tracker is the most fucked up by design concept I ever seen | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | 40 years of using pathnames proved to be worthless - we invent something better and just store all to a virtual root directory. | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | DANG this sounds so pretty much like MSDOS1.0 | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | or even C/PM | 23:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is there any documentation for this tracker stuff | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 23:35 |
| DrGrov | Damn, I almost forgot to get some videos as well | 23:36 |
| admiral0 | gconftool -s /system/osso/dsm/energymanagement/force_power_saving -t bool true | 23:37 |
| admiral0 | yay | 23:37 |
| DrGrov | Will it be too big to use 1920x1080 images as wallpapers? | 23:38 |
| benares_98 | what's tracker? | 23:38 |
| CaCO3 | All right: I got it working with the invoker. the problem was, that I start a shell script which then runs Python and my main file. the solution was to invoke the main.py file directly. | 23:39 |
| CaCO3 | thanks all for your hints! | 23:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | benares_98: apparently it's a system for indexing the filesystem and putting metadata on it | 23:39 |
| DrGrov | Should I try to get smaller images than 1920x1080 and use them instead for wallpapers? | 23:40 |
| DrGrov | Could 1920x1080 become "too big" for the N9 to crop down nicely? | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: well, it's a waste of space | 23:40 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Well space I got a lot of ;-) Gor the 64GB version | 23:40 |
| benares_98 | thx! | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | might as well downsize to 854x480 | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or 854x854 if you rotate the homescreen | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because it's not smart enough to rotate the image too | 23:41 |
| DrGrov | I definitely thought about that but I hate to downsize a few hundred images just for that... But perhaps yes, would be worth it | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can leave the lower right 374x374 quadrant empty | 23:42 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Why so? | 23:47 |
| DrGrov | Is 800x836 too small? | 23:48 |
| ajalkane | hmm... how the hell can I install QtMobility libs into SDK for Desktop targete? I tried the package updater from QtSDK but can't see the libs. And it can't include the headers. Wut? | 23:51 |
| DrGrov | Got a opinion question | 23:52 |
| DrGrov | Californication theme as ringtone or something 1990's - early 2000's trance/house? | 23:53 |
| ajalkane | hmm... I just listen to the Benny Hill theme music, so I'm not the right person to answer to that. | 23:53 |
| thp | mgedmin: gpodder is still a python app - the UI layer got rewritten from gtk+hildon (maemo 5) to qml | 23:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: because in portrait it shows the left 480x854, and in landscape it shows the top 854x480 | 23:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if i understand correctly | 23:56 |
| thp | CaCO3: what were you looking for? | 23:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | leaving a 374x374 box that's never seen | 23:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 800x836 is a few pixels short on both dimensions :( | 23:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | note that landscape home screen isn't on normally, you have to hack it on | 23:57 |
| CaCO3 | thp: I hat the issue that, when I click onto the icon in harmattan, that it does not switch to the already running app. I saw that gPodder can do it. and with the others help I got it working now as well. | 23:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you can just go with 854x480 normally | 23:57 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Ok, I will resize that 800x836 to 920 something x something then | 23:58 |
| thp | CaCO3: yep, that's simply using the invoker with --single-instance | 23:59 |
| thp | CaCO3: https://github.com/gpodder/gpodder/blob/harmattan/data/gpodder.desktop.in | 23:59 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: How much is the minimum that I need for portrait? I never use landscape rotation | 23:59 |
| thp | CaCO3: you can also use a splash screen there. i haven't tried to see if changing --type= to something else than "e" works and if it brings any speed advantage | 23:59 |
| CaCO3 | thp: I saw that. but since I used to call a shell script which then run python with my start file, it did not work. | 23:59 |
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