IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2012-01-13

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BluesLeei installed cron on my n9 but it doesnt seem to run?00:08
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BluesLeeany alternatives to autostart a command on a daily basis?00:09
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GeneralAntillesieatlint, it's rather magical, isn't it?00:22
ieatlinti'm billing my employer for hours on my way to vacation so i don't take as much time off... :)00:25
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djszapiVenemo: hello bello :)01:24
Venemohey djszapi :)01:25
Venemodjszapi, so late or so early? :P01:25
djszapicoming back from the Qt MeetUp. We had a collision with a bus :)01:25
ieatlinthow many jokes about bus errors would made?01:27
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ieatlint /win 901:51
ieatlint... oops :)01:51
djszapi /lumia 9 :)01:53
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DrGrovHello everyone02:39
DrGrovVenemo: Hungary yes?02:39
DrGrovI got myself a black 64GB N9 today and I am wondering a few things02:40
DrGrovVenemo: I mean that you are from Hungary, correct?02:40
VenemoDrGrov, yes, why're you asking?02:40
DrGrovVenemo: Recognized your nickname from various N900 discussions over at #maemo02:41
DrGrovIs there any good themes or such available for the N9? Or any 3rd party sources or such?02:41
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DrGrovOr is there no such thing available for the N9?02:47
DrGrov*such things02:48
ieatlinti don't think there is an official way to do theming on the n902:50
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DrGrovOk, no problems. I kind of like the standard theme.02:51
ieatlintbut on some levels it may be possible with some things by modifying the qml files directly02:51
DrGrovHow about wallpapers and such?02:51
ieatlintfor the lock screen, yes02:52
ieatlintthat's something you can set02:52
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DrGrovieatlint: Ok, thanks. I hope to find some good website or such where I can find good high quality wallpapers.02:56
DrGrovSeems difficult though.02:56
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VenemoDrGrov, sorry, I don't know03:42
VenemoDrGrov, there are stuf in the Store yes, but I haven't really checked it out.03:42
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itsnotabigtruckconcerning wallpaper, try this
itsnotabigtruckof course since it's deviantart it's going to be 97% garbage and weird stuff04:47
itsnotabigtruck turns up a bunch of mobile wallpaper sites04:48
auenfbut you need 854x854 if you enable rotation :P04:50
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itsnotabigtruckauenf: what? it doesn't rotate the image?06:06
auenfthats what it does06:08
auenfhence why you have to manually replace it with a 854x854 image06:09
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tommahmm.... application which fetches random image from google search every morning08:52
tommaand uses that as wallpaper08:52
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itsnotabigtruckso what browser do you guys recommend - stock, opera, or fennec09:58
itsnotabigtrucki wish #n9 got some more activity, i hate asking obviously non-dev stuff here09:59
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Hq`just try all of them and decide for yourself :)10:02
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itsnotabigtruckHq`: but that's haaaard :p nah, i was just wondering if anybody had strong opinions either way10:03
itsnotabigtruckon my old e71 the stock browser was useless and opera was the stuff, but the n9 browser is lightyears beyond the old symbian one10:04
Hq`the stock one has worked fine for me10:06
Hq`fennec had some slowness issues when I last tried it10:06
hiemanshuI use the stock one, does what I need10:12
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jreznikjust two issues with stock - url input is strange - with the selection, you have to type slooow not to overwrite already written chars... and passwords (PR 1.2? ;-)10:28
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infobotHi there, see: Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual?10:44
auenfitsnotabigtruck, microb ftw?10:45
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phunguyi'm having troubles ssh'ing to my n9 all of a sudden11:06
phunguywoops wrong chan11:06
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ZogG_laptopphunguy: how is it wrong?11:24
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djszapijonni: still 1% battery after 5-6 hours wall charger usage :P Sounds like a flasher bug, or device corruption.12:35
jonnisounds exiting, is it on reboot loop, or charing as blackscreen with the flashing white led on bottom corner?12:36
djszapiI got somehow into the a reboot loop, but not sure how because I used this device 3-4 months ago last time or so. :)12:37
djszapiwould like to re-flash.12:37
jonniwhite rebooting loop it eats more battery than it charges, so you need to change the mode to not booting mode12:38
jonnisudo ./flasher -i    should do the trick, if I remember right then it goes to mode where it doesnt start to boot. or long press powerbutton might also work.12:39
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djszapiI tried the long press powerbutton previously.12:39
jonninormally long press goes to autoboot, so most likely you need to use the flasher for nonbooting12:40
djszapii, --read-device-id          Print out the device type12:41
ZogG_laptopjonni: seen the pr1.2 screenshot thread?12:42
djszapiit does not boot for "./flasher -Owait-charging" luckily enough, well let us see :)12:42
djszapi(but no indication with any led, it is actually charging either)12:43
jonnidjszapi: ah yes wait-charging should be ok, as long as that white led blinks12:43
ZogG_laptopi just wonder what that guy did to his Nokia friends he got phone from12:43
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ZogG_laptopbut still it sounds like his friend is actually him, coz whole story sounds wierd12:44
jonniZogG_laptop: fired :)12:44
djszapijonni: let us leave it for 10-20 minutes,and then let us see :)12:44
ZogG_laptopjonni: you think or you know?12:45
djszapihe joked :D12:45
ZogG_laptophe never jokes... EVER... ._.12:46
jonniZogG_laptop: anyways any speculative threads on screenshots can be ignored, there is no future pr release coming anytime soon, if any at all.13:03
djszapiNDA discussion is probably out of the scope of this channel :)13:05
kevin_bNew drug application?13:06
kevin_bNuclear Decommissioning Authority?13:06
javispedrokevin_b, in the wikipedia page you are reading, right 2 items up the Nuclear Decommissioning one13:06
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ZogG_laptopjonni: may or may not, i know you can't tell me nyway. just wonder about that exactly story from inside and what happened to guy13:07
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djszapijavispedro: do you come to Brussels for FOSDEM ?13:08
kevin_bthanks :)13:08
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javispedrodjszapi, I've not made plans but I was considering it... you are?13:08
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djszapijavispedro: yeah, I try.13:09
ZogG_laptopjonni: btw new molome does use camer, interesting if they did the trick as I or they used Qt for that??13:10
jonninobody knows yet the final featureset, any possible shots which are either photoshopped or not, might not match the real release. Its wrong to speculate on fake or not ready versions untill possible official version comes out later this year (maybe?). I have no info on that story, and couldn't even tell if I had.13:11
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djszapithe price falls give you a rough idea about the future :)13:12
ZogG_laptopjonni: no, i don't want to know about features or anything, was sking if the guy was fired/ punished or something, that's all13:12
jonniZogG_laptop: no idea, I dont know what molome is13:12
ZogG_laptopjonni: molome is like integram or what's that app called for iphone, it's like twitter but for photos from phone13:13
djszapijonni: heh, it now worked with "-Owait-charging", but I got chinese text after the flashing ;P13:13
jonnidjszapi: heh, what version did you flash13:14
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: was it pikachu instead of nokia logo?13:15
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: sup13:16
djszapiZogG_laptop: yeah, I think it was a kamehamehaaa application :)13:16
ZogG_laptopsay what?13:18
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ZogG_laptopit's wierd that qml Page element does not have color and theme settings properties =(13:30
jonnias there is only 1 theme in the phone and no theme support officially13:32
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ZogG_laptopjonni: yeah but i mean it would be cool if you could set page setting like background color, buttons color, text color, instead of wich element separetly, espetially when few do not have those options13:34
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jonniwell yes might be nice addition to the api13:35
ZogG_laptopjonni: as i understand most devs who make really nice apps use rectangle13:41
ZogG_laptopso they can make their app looking nice and independent from default templates13:42
jonniZogG_laptop: any examples of really nice apps? I would say that they all use default templates that they just have pimped.13:43
ZogG_laptopjonni: meecast =)13:43
ZogG_laptophmm it seems busyindicator do not care about size i set =\13:50
janiZogG_laptop: pr1.2 screenshot thread  - where ? tmo fmo ?13:51
jonniZogG_laptop: meecast uses default components, just checked the main.qml and it uses PageStackWindow as rootWindow13:52
ZogG_laptopjani: everywhere actually but source on tmo13:55
ZogG_laptopjonni: but the pages13:56
janiis it this "My n9 is running pr 1.2" thread  ?13:56
janiack yeah..13:56
jonniZogG_laptop: settingspage and about page is using Page as expected13:57
jonniZogG_laptop: but yes its combination of default components + pimping13:58
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ZogG_laptopjonni: it's rectangle inside right?14:04
ZogG_laptopright inside page?14:04
ZogG_laptopbtw wtha is "could not resolve the prototype implicit sizeitem of button" about?14:04
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jonniZogG_laptop: on most pages there is no rectangle inside, only very few screen are done with rectangle14:07
jonniits a public svn repo14:07
ZogG_laptopjonni: wazd promised me to help with UI but he is really busy those days =\14:08
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SqRt7744hi, has anyone run into a problem like this: :-1: error: mainwindow.o: relocation R_ARM_MOVW_ABS_NC against `QCoreApplication::self' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC14:30
SqRt7744I'm trying to get evopedia running on the N9, and am getting this linker error14:31
SqRt7744the .pro file already has the following lines: QMAKE_CFLAGS_SHLIB      += -fPIC14:35
KRFSqRt7744: the libraries you are linking *to* likely need to be recompiled with -fPIC14:36
KRFe.g. some system library14:36
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SqRt7744KRF, hmm. this is a problem, it's bzip, already on the device.14:38
javispedroSqRt7744, why don't you use one of qmake's library templates14:50
SqRt7744javispedro, really? How?14:50
javispedro(you have added the -fPICs into the incorrect places either way, but you don't need to do that because the templates should make it for you)14:51
SqRt7744javispedro, this sounds promising, thanks, i will have a look straight away14:51
javispedroTEMPLATE=lib basically14:52
SqRt7744and i add that to the .pro file?14:52
javispedroyou replace the current TEMPLATE= line on the .pro14:53
javispedroSqRt7744: but what are you trying to do regarding evopedia? converting it to a library?14:54
SqRt7744no, I just want it to run14:55
javispedroso it's not a shared library at all?14:55
SqRt7744javispedro, the same source runs on the desktop, and in the simulator, but not on the device (that's when I get the above error)14:55
SqRt7744ok, i changed the template to "lib" and rebuild, now it complains that it can't find -lbz214:56
* javispedro fails to understand14:57
javispedrowhy did you add -fPIC if it's not a library?14:57
SqRt7744javispedro, it's a bit frustrating, I can build "pure" qt applications with no external dependencies with no problem, but since evopedia requires bzip, i can't get it to run14:57
javispedroforget everything I said and remove whatever you added related to -fPIC14:57
SqRt7744javispedro, I actually didn't add those -fPIC lines, they were in the .pro file from the source I grabbed from the 'net.14:58
javispedrocan't find them here14:58
SqRt7744javispedro, I'll try removing them, change the template back to app, and see what happens14:58
SqRt7744wierd, because I dnd14:58
SqRt7744didn't change anything14:58
SqRt7744well, alright, now it is just saying it cannot find -lbz2. Is there anyway to get the lib onto the device15:00
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SqRt7744ok, if anyone is interested, I got evopedia to run. Had to go into the toolchain and softlink to (usr/lib), same on device15:19
kralorSqRt7744: we're interested in the wl12xx drivers with rfmon+injection :p15:29
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kralornow you can focus on that! :P15:30
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npmsomebody should write a game where you have a cell phone and have to make important calls to people, except there's power-daemons you have to manage and turn off all the time and if you forget you cant call pepole and you die....15:34
npmor you can just run mango....15:35
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zx2c4Does anyone know what APIs I should investigate to make something that will override the way in which SMS messages are sent?16:08
zx2c4(and received)16:08
zx2c4I'm working on integrating google voice more deeply16:08
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ZogG_laptopzx2c4: hey16:08
ZogG_laptopzx2c4: sup16:08
ZogG_laptopzx2c4: may i ask you few not harmattan related questions, as i know you wrote few things for sony vaio laptops16:09
zx2c4sure, but might be best to do it in PM or how about in #vaio-f1116:09
ZogG_laptopnice we have vaio chan16:13
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merlin1991zx2c4: the whole mesaging system is based on telepathy16:58
merlin1991so thelepathy-qt4 and telepaty-glib are the things you want to look into16:58
merlin1991(as far as I understood it the former is used for the client aka ui, and the latter for the actual conenction managers)16:58
fluxis there a way to put n9 to use usb networking like it would use WLAN?16:59
* merlin1991 remembers the dummy network on the n900, maybe you can find something similar17:01
merlin1991flux: for the old way on the n900, maybe you can make some use of it17:02
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anapospastoshello, is this the right channel to talk about greek localization for the N9?17:10
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l32606hi, does anybody known how to change the appear time of MNotification bar?17:39
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l32606I used the MNotification API to show some info. outside-app, but I found the notify bar are disappeared after 5 seconds.17:42
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djszapiStskeeps: do you need for Mer to unlock the bootloader ?17:57
djszapi(it is currently not possible, but would you need it ?)17:57
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erparom_Hi! Good day/night to everyone. I've got an issue of Meego inside my N9, is there anybody that can help me here?18:30
ieatlintit's going to be difficult to get meego out of it, but with some work, it can be done18:30
jonniHarmattan inside your N9, you mean. But whats the problem?18:31
* SpeedEvil gets his holy water and garlic.18:31
erparom_My operator (telcel) at mexico decided to take out some apps from Meego18:33
erparom_So I tried to install Skype18:34
SpeedEvilOdd. Which ones?18:34
erparom_following the procedure described inside:
erparom_(that's something about changing apt repositories)18:35
erparom_After all the procedure I got skype18:35
erparom_but now all the tags / labels for every string inside my meego are messed up18:35
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jonniand you changed the repo back to original after installing the app?18:36
erparom_every string label shows as qtn_whatever18:36
jonniif you you dont most likely all the translations will go away and show as qtn_18:37
erparom_I tried to restore by18:37
erparom_apt-get update18:37
erparom_apt-get -y install account* l10n-app*18:37
erparom_also with18:37
erparom_apt-get -y install l10n-app*18:37
erparom_but it did not worked18:38
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jonnibefore or after changing the repo back to original?18:38
ZogG_laptoperparom_: just change everything back18:39
ZogG_laptoperparom_: and download only skype and dependies for it and install manually18:39
ZogG_laptopor flash with normal firmware18:39
jonnior change your language to english :)18:44
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kevin_bis there any issue with openmax on harmattan?18:58
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BluesLeeare there any cli commands to directly switch between different profiles (silent, beep, ringing)?19:06
ieatlinti bet it can be done via dbus19:07
BluesLeeit was the case on fremantle, with harmattan i dont know19:08
BluesLeecron seems to work well on harmattan at least with root19:08
BluesLeeso i need some input for cron;-)19:09
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faenilhey guys19:47
faenilare qml items continuously redrawn?19:47
faenilI have a glview with some ui (two toolbars and a listview with tabBar)19:48
faenilwith the fullscreen glview I get 36fps19:48
faenil(rendering the Stanford Bunny)19:48
faenilWITH the ui around the glview (so the gl view is also smaller) I get 22 fps!19:48
faenilisn't that too much slowdown?19:49
faenilonly caused by some ui items?19:49
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lucidohow to launch the emergency call app through dbus, what is the name of the dbus method to call or how do I find it?19:52
ieatlintuh, if you know another way to launch it, just run dbus-monitor and launch it and see what gets called19:56
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djszapifaenil: o/20:12
faenilhey o/20:12
djszapicome to FOSDEM ? :)20:12
faenilwhere when?20:13
djszapiPluto 5012 :)20:13
faenilgot last bachelor's exam on 19january and thesis (if I pass the exam) on 24th February ^^20:13
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faenildjszapi: please help me with qml instead :D20:17
djszapigoogle code-in students have the first priority, sorry :P20:18
faenildammit :P20:18
faenilit takes 2 mins :D20:18
AvengenceWell, I have semi-working email now. After deleting the gmail account, messageserver statrs at boot, and adding it back is still ok, but then it takes less than a day before messageserver just kinda hangs and stops working right. New mesage notification work sporadicaly but no messages can be viewed. Killing the messageserver process (which at least respawns properly) gets mail flowing for a few hours but then it gets stuck again. Using20:19
Avengencegmail just seems to be a recipe for disaster.20:19
Avengencedjszapi: tell some of those google students to go fix gmail to suck less hard20:19
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lucidois ther a screen video capture app for the N9?20:29
lucidoieatlint, thanks20:29
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lucidohmm dbus-monitor shows nothing on emergency call20:37
lucidomust be part of the lockscreen then20:38
RzR InstalL #PresenceVnc to SharE and ControL any #DeskToP on #HarmattaN #MeeGo or #MaemO #HandSet !n950club !n9 etc20:38
RST38hRzR: What is wrong with your letter case?20:39
RzRwiki style20:40
lizardoI thought the shift key was loose :)20:41
itsnotabigtruckhas anybody had any weirdness with the compass20:41
itsnotabigtrucki loaded up the orienteering compass app the other day, worked fine, later that day, it seems to 'stick'20:41
itsnotabigtrucklucido: perhaps you could implement your own emergency call screen?20:43
itsnotabigtruckor see what other custom homescreens do?20:43
lucidoitsnotabigtruck, yes I'm searching for voice call api documentation20:43
itsnotabigtruckjust make sure it doesn't make it too easy to accidentally make emergency calls...they don't exactly like that :p20:45
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itsnotabigtruckbut i guess it's just a matter of making a call to 11220:45
itsnotabigtruckrzr: ...that isn't wiki style :p20:46
itsnotabigtruckthat's youtube comment style20:46
Avengenceitsnotabigtruck: they don't exactly like that, but in some jurisdictions not only can you make emergency call without sim, but you can do so when phone is locked (keylock and/or password) so its stupidly easy to pocket dial emergency numbers20:48
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itsnotabigtruckAvengence: lovely20:49
tunkki-Hi! i need sum help with N920:49
Avengencewhat they really don't like is being told it's their fault for causing the problem by legally mandating all manufacturers to include the stupid behavior20:49
itsnotabigtrucktunkki-: shoot20:55
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lucidowhats the call api called?20:56
tunkki-Nokia ovistore and maps doesnt work..20:57
itsnotabigtruckhell if i know...try grepping the header files20:57
itsnotabigtrucktunkki-: do you get an error message20:57
itsnotabigtrucki gotta go, later20:57
tunkki-no error messages it doesnt do anything when i try to push downloand :S20:58
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djszapiI am sorry for the question, but any C# master here ?20:59
gridjszapi, Trying to code for your lumia?20:59
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: i'm a little out of practice but kind of...what's the problem21:00
tunkki-and maps doesnt do anything and i cant click anything21:00
RST38hAre you licensed to codein C# at all?21:00
hiemanshudjszapi: /topic21:01
djszapisomeone told me the C# WPF is similar to QML, and I am interested in opinions, pro/cons without flamewars ;-)21:01
RST38hYou need Microsoft OS and C# to do anything in WPF.21:01
RST38hThat is where most people stop considering WPF.21:01
itsnotabigtruckyeah, WPF is the stuff as long as you only care about ms platforms21:02
itsnotabigtruckthere's no easier gui framework for windows21:02
hiemanshuPlease stay ontopic people21:02
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: can I message you about it in private ?21:02
itsnotabigtruckyeah np21:02
tunkki-anyone can help me with maps and ovistore xD21:02
RST38htunkki: Check if you are logged in to Ovi21:03
RST38htunkki: Under Accounts, I guess21:03
tunkki-mm im logged with my nokia account21:03
RST38htunkki: Also want to check if there is network connection (load a page into browser)21:03
hiemanshutunkki-: restart makes no difference?21:03
RST38htunkki: If everything is in place, reboot21:04
RST38htunkki: If reboot does not help, contact Nokia support =)21:04
tunkki-i got pr 1,121:05
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djszapiadmiral0: javispedro's generator is working again :)21:06
tunkki-and that nokia link not work :D21:06
tunkki-thats so failed program21:06
admiral0djszapi: hi dude21:06
admiral0i copied his template.svg and worked in inkscape21:06
admiral0and just published my first application in ovi store21:06
djszapicongrats :) What is it about ?21:07
admiral0Power SMS21:07
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admiral0imagine a message like "Hello $NAME. Merry Christmas!!!"21:07
admiral0select a lot of contacts21:07
griadmiral0, So we both fight for the "sms" keyword in the ovi store? :D21:08
grigood news is: the feed apps with no rating show up first21:09
admiral0gri. Your application?21:09
Avengenceso an sms spamming app21:09
griadmiral0, Web2SMS21:09
admiral0maybe we could work to make them work together21:10
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admiral0virtual lan party21:10
griwhatever this is21:11
tunkki-thnx for help i reboot and it works magic.....21:11
tunkki-that phone is really weird21:11
* admiral0 has a lot of random crashes in harmattan btw21:11
* admiral0 has PR 1.121:12
jonnitunkki-: have you tried to change the language on device, forums atleast solved maps not starting bug by changing language and start, update and change language back to normal21:12
javispedroI hope someone can explain why the friggin "Copy" menu item in Firefox is greyed out!!21:12
* javispedro angry21:12
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jonnitunkki-: but good, that reboot helped so you dont have to kludge21:12
javispedroit was a mistake to upgrade from 3.6...21:12
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griAnyone using Ubuntu 11.10 with QtSDK? The installer hides after selecting the path and that's it ... nothing happens21:14
tunkki-yeah thats really weird why its not working without reboot21:14
Avengencejavispedro: I'm not sure anyone can explain anything that has happened in all firefiox versions after 3.6 without defying logic21:15
lizardogri: maybe is this?
jonnigri: or this
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grilizardo, jonni, Thanks :) Nice that the style seems to crash :D21:20
lucidogri, can you deploy to device after updating the sdk?21:20
grilucido, I've set up a new system so I did not update21:21
griwhen the harmattan sdk updates, I usally delete it completely and then reinstall QtSDK21:21
gri(well, this just happened once or twice yet)21:21
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lucidogri, so you have downloaded it recently and no probs with deployment?21:22
griI was not even able to install the QtSDK on this machine yet. In my vmware images I can use deployment but haven't updated their sdk for ~2 weeks21:23
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griwow, just changed a few boot parameters and my laptop needs ~10 Watts less in Battery mode :)22:00
faenilgot dual video card? :P22:01
faenilyes you have 5830tg22:01
faenilright? :D22:01
griYeah but I can disable the nvidia card in the bios22:01
faenilbut I think it's still powered :D22:02
griI had to set the intel i5 (i915) boot parameters for power saving, now the cooler does not even start when I do nothing :)22:02
faenilyeah know what you mean :D22:02
grileaving the laptop idle is now at ~6.5 Watts while surfing is at 1122:03
faenilapprox same here :)22:03
grithat makes ubuntu really usable on this machine22:03
gristill I would know how to decrease the hdd rpm - on Windows I don't feel it's rotating, on linux I do22:04
javispedrothat's automatic accoustic management aka hdparm -M22:04
faeniltry powertop, it's got lots of things you can tweak22:05
grifaenil, already running :)22:05
grijavispedro, thank you. It said it changed to 128 (silent) but still I feel the vibrate like before22:07
ZogG_laptopgri: sup22:08
ZogG_laptoplong time haven't seen you22:08
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griZogG_laptop, Hello, I'm not that active these weeks. I have to learn for university exams which start at 26th22:09
ZogG_laptopwe don't talk about that =\22:09
griZogG_laptop, So you should learn, too? :)22:10
ZogG_laptophaven't check when i have exams as i'm affraid22:10
ZogG_laptopcoz of new work missed whole semester22:10
SqRt7744what do you study?22:10
SqRt7744both of you22:11
ZogG_laptopsoftware eng22:11
griComputer Science, should be the same22:11
griNo idea what's the real English name22:11
SqRt7744ah ok, well, welcome to the club22:11
gribut I am at the first semester so test should not be that hard22:12
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faenilcomputer science here too :)22:14
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faenilguys, is the UI repaint everytime in qml'22:18
faenilor only when needed?22:18
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Avengenceisn't first semester already over? it's after the new year22:20
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Avengenceor do they do it different where you are? the winter holidays/new year is the break between first and second semester at every school/university I've attended22:21
griAvengence, here it starts in september and ends in march (winter semester)22:22
Avengenceseptember - december is 1st semester, janurary - may is 2nd semester, june - august is summer break or summer semester if you skip break22:23
Avengencegri: if you have one semester going all the way from sept to march, that's half the year. the other semester is the other half and you have no summer break?22:24
griAvengence, The semesters include the break as far as I know22:24
antman8969lol not in the US22:24
grifor example my last test is at 2.2. but the semester ends at 15.3.22:25
ZogG_laptopanyone knows how to check what page i'm on ? (in QML )22:25
antman8969what do you mean check? You want the page's id?22:25
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antman8969pageStack.currentPage may be what you are looking for zogg_laptop22:26
hiemanshuwhat flasher do you download for non .deb systems?22:27
Avengencegri: oh, completely different wherever you are. breaks are between semesters in US. about 2 weeks for primary/secondary school, 3 weeks for university between winter and spring semesters. summer is traditionally a 3 month break so the kids could work the farm, but now its for summer jobs to pay for school22:27
griAvengence, summer semsester break is here about 2 months I think (didn't have them yet)22:32
grithey seem to be even different for different kinds of universities22:33
ZogG_laptopantman8969: thanx22:35
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ZogG_laptopanother question. if i have header element i made and above it gridview, how can i make the header always on top22:47
ZogG_laptopas when i scroll it scrolls over header element22:48
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ZogG_laptopthat was easy, just put header after22:52
ZogG_laptopit's all about order =)22:53
fralsor set z property manually22:53
faenilour exams at uni end at end of July22:54
faeniland there are new exams in September,with lessons starting on the second half of September22:55
faenilso 1 month, August22:55
faenilbut that all depends on when you pass the exams, if you pass all exams before summer, June, you have july, august, september of holidays22:55
faenilbut that's the max you can get, and it's not easy at all22:56
griI hate learning those electric circuit crap :)22:56
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faenillike? :D23:00
griaffiliate/derive (whatever the correct word is) the electric flipflop (rs flipflop)23:02
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faenilI see23:03
faenilwe don't do much electric things here23:03
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griI wish we would not23:04
grimaybe you learned it but already forgot about that? :)23:04
faenilahahah :D23:06
faenilnah we talked about flipflops23:06
faenilbut just on the fly23:06
Avengenceyou would not like where i went to university23:06
faenilthat's more for elect engineers23:06
grifaenil, The professor teaching us this is a robotics engineer23:07
faenileheh :D23:07
Avengencecomputer science included everything top to bottom. circuit diagrams for all basic units, block level cpu design, assembly language, c and c++ language, databases, numerical method, LOTS of math, cobol, AI, etc23:07
faenilthat meant you did not do lots of things we do Avengence :)23:07
faenilcoz time is time23:07
griAvengence, we also learned how to create a simple processor :( I am not an engineer and not even interested23:08
faenilyeah same here, the final test is to write the firmware of a cpu and evaluate of its timings23:08
phdeswerAah the basic RISC design...Was rather interesting IMO.23:08
Avengencethe exam for one class had things like "add instruction called foo to this MIPS processor that does bar" and we have to draw circuit to add instruction decode and execiute23:09
griAvengence, pure hell.23:09
faenilI agree :)23:09
Avengencethe computer engineering program goes into much more detail at that level in exchange fopr less programming. the information technology program skips all the electronics in favor of more programming/systems stuff23:10
griwe only have one course it seems23:11
gricoding, uml, graphs ... ok, but circuits are a no-go for me :P23:12
AvengenceI went to an engineering school so there were separate programs for electrical engineering (all circuits), computer engineering (a little programming), computer science (blend of everything), information technology (just code, skip electronics), information systems (clueless manager training)23:13
AvengenceI like to do something useful, so drawing uml was a waste of time to me. I would write the program, fully test it, document everything, then use the reverse uml functoion of rational rose to spit out the diagrams23:15
Avengenceof course there's also plenty of other engineering disciplines that are unrelated to electronics/computers at same university so I got to take a few other classes just for fun. I took a nuclear physics class (the school has a working reactor) and an explosives engeering course in mining department (every week we go to the mine and execute a shot)23:18
grisounds interesting but I would totally fail at nuclear physics exams :D23:19
Anssi138Avengence: well uml includes other diagrams types too23:19
Avengencei was never good at calculus (great with all other math) so I had some trouble doing the equations but all the concepts made sense and teh professor got the idea that I had no trouble with any of it except writing out the numbers23:20
Avengencethat would keep me from going into physics for a degree, but I had liked mechanical and electromagnetic physics so I figured I should take the opportunity and expose myself to nuclear physics too23:21
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DocScrutinizerstrange how somebody could like explosives but not chips :-D23:42
DocScrutinizerI also love reading about criticality events though XD23:43
DocScrutinizerand about fission powered EMP and microwave devices23:44
AvengenceDocScrutinizer: i missed something due to disconnect. who mentioned liking explosives but not chips?23:45
DocScrutinizerwell, for EMP it's much more fun to have small devices powered by a few hundred kg of conventional explosives23:45
DocScrutinizer[2012-01-13 22:18:06] <Avengence> of course there's also plenty of other engineering disciplines that are unrelated to electronics/computers at same university so I got to take a few other classes just for fun. I took a nuclear physics class (the school has a working reactor) and an explosives engeering course in mining department (every week we go to the mine and execute a shot)23:45
AvengenceDocScrutinizer: where was the mention of not liking chips?23:46
DocScrutinizer[2012-01-13 22:12:52] <gri> coding, uml, graphs ... ok, but circuits are a no-go for me :P23:47
Avengencedid gri say something about explosives as well?23:48
itsnotabigtruckso...what does --enable-rd-mode in flasher do23:48
* DocScrutinizer thinks gri is what we caled "mathematicians" in our time, grinning in an unfriendly way whenever we used the term23:48
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: it toggles a bit in CAL23:48
Avengenceheh, maybe23:49
DocScrutinizerso later in linux (and NOLO as well) it get checked, and some functions get enabled or disabled accordingly23:49
* gri does not understand this :/23:49
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: including on the N9? what actually gets enabled/disabled?23:50
Avengencei started with electronics before computers so it didn't bother me when we dealt with low level stuff in school23:50
itsnotabigtruckalso, CAL? i'm finding references to it but not what it stands for23:50
DocScrutinizerAvengence: same here23:50
DocScrutinizerI'd never had touched CPU if it worked with maybe hydraulics23:50
itsnotabigtruckalso Avengence: sounds like your uni has cool electives :(23:51
Avengencegri: mathematicians just study theory but never apply it.23:51
DocScrutinizerbut since it was electronics, I had to solder my own Z80 computer in late 1970's23:51
AvengenceDocScrutinizer: what do you think of photon based CPUs?23:51
DocScrutinizernice concept23:52
* gri never dealt with hardware and hated electonics in the physics lessons in school. I only like the software part :)23:52
DocScrutinizerI started electronics before I had math lessons at school ;-D23:53
Avengenceitsnotabigtruck: some things I took as electives I wasn't really meant to. I skipped a who bunch of prerequisites (geology, mine safety, etc) when I took the explosives engineering class. I did it because I friend in mining engineering was taking it (3 years into his degree program) and he said it'd be fun if I took the class and assured me the professor wouldn't care if I skipping those since I wasn't going for a degree in it23:53
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infobotfrom memory, cal is a calendar. try $(cal 1752)23:55
DocScrutinizer~#maemo cal23:55
DocScrutinizerhere you are23:56
Avengencei started with the radio shack kits before elementary school. then i got myy hands on a computer, taught myself basic just after learning enough english to do so, and said "hey, i can do so more more (expirementation wise) witrh the computer. it's so fast to change a line of code vs rewire a circuit." and that's the course i followed23:56
DocScrutinizeror here: cat /proc/mtd23:56
DocScrutinizercalled config there23:57
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: hmm. anyway, has anyone tried it on an N9?23:57
itsnotabigtruckit's mentioned in lots of places concerning the N90023:57
DocScrutinizerI think it's meaningless on N923:58
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DocScrutinizerbut I admit I'm rather clueless what they did with R&D flag in HARM23:59
minimec#join n923:59
AvengenceI think it's important to know exactly what happens at each level when doing something in code and I'm not sure I'd have a good grasp on that if I had started in a different order. it's a shame that so many schools now strt students with java, only touch C in late years if evry, and don't even think of covering assembly and cpu architecture23:59
DocScrutinizerminimec: #fail23:59
minimecDocScrutinizer: ;)23:59

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