| twoboxen | John Q. Aegis | 00:01 |
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| ieatlint | aegis fits in with nokia's new motto: "Well, it sounded like a good idea" | 00:04 |
| twoboxen | I thought their new motto was, "whatever you say, Steve" | 00:05 |
| twoboxen | or "let's do as Apple does. Appeal to the most basic consumer that exists. Power users be damned." | 00:06 |
| twoboxen | This bug where updates don't show up in the application manager is damn annoying. I'll wait for PR1.2 before reflash, i s'pose. Perhaps i will also flash open kernel them | 00:07 |
| ieatlint | i'm told there will definitely be a pr1.2, but i wonder how long the wait will be | 00:07 |
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| Aranel_N9 | ieatlint: I hardly think any motto better fits to a company =) | 00:13 |
| javispedro | hm | 00:16 |
| javispedro | wasn't sshd_config aegis protected? | 00:16 |
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| javispedro | ah no, it was the upstart job file | 00:17 |
| ieatlint | yeah, as is my impression, the n9 is selling better than the lumia 800 | 00:20 |
| ieatlint | but that's not based on facts | 00:20 |
| faenil | eh | 00:21 |
| ieatlint | just my impression | 00:21 |
| ajalkane | I gots same impression. | 00:21 |
| ajalkane | Of course, my impression might be somewhat clouded by the fact that Finland doesn't have Lumia yet on sale. | 00:21 |
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| ieatlint | haha, you can't get the lumia in finland? | 00:24 |
| ieatlint | the cheaper lumia is about to go on sale in the US, and that will probably be a good indicator | 00:24 |
| ajalkane | of course not. | 00:24 |
| ajalkane | Elop is trying to get us fins to get used to the idea its an american company now. | 00:25 |
| ieatlint | you're welcome :) | 00:25 |
| ajalkane | A good old fashioned butt-rape is always a pleasure | 00:26 |
| ieatlint | and us yanks do it so well | 00:26 |
| ajalkane | Ballmer is pretty good at it at least. | 00:26 |
| ajalkane | Although I'm not sure if it worked as intended, as I much rather have the N9 on sale and am not missing Lumia | 00:27 |
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| ajalkane | Of course having Lumia 800 sitting on my desk further enforces my opinion. I've used it basically just to play Fruit Ninja. | 00:28 |
| ajalkane | And browsing the web when the N950 is recharging | 00:28 |
| ieatlint | i use mind to underwhelm friends and colleagues who haven't seen wp7 yet, but have heard "good things" | 00:30 |
| ieatlint | er, mine.. | 00:30 |
| ajalkane | I dunno, it looks good, is smooth, might make a | 00:30 |
| ajalkane | n impression | 00:30 |
| ieatlint | that's their first impression, then they try to use it | 00:31 |
| ajalkane | but I don't like using it so far. | 00:31 |
| ajalkane | yeah | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | the wp7 is just an iphone knock off... first they copied the iphone's lack of copy/paste support, then the copied the iphones copy/paste support | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | now they've copied their so-called multitasking | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | and requirement that you install a special software suite in order to get music onto it | 00:32 |
| ajalkane | Yeah, the UX is plenty different. But they copied all the stupid restrictions. | 00:32 |
| ajalkane | What am I going to do with a phone I can't transfer stuff from Linux into? | 00:32 |
| ajalkane | Answer is of course play games, and it's a pretty nice game console. | 00:33 |
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| javispedro | someone has offered me swapping the lumia800 for another n900 :) | 00:33 |
| ieatlint | also, try loading up the nokia drive app on the lumia and the n9, side by side... i find the n9 noticeably faster/smoother, despite the alleged cpu performance boost in the lumia | 00:33 |
| ajalkane | ieatlint: yeah... but MS Maps is very smooth on the other hand. Nokia Maps is slow. | 00:34 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: now do the same with the nokia maps ... it's so slow on the lumia it seems it downloads the tiles from the www | 00:34 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: it is downloading the tiles | 00:34 |
| javispedro | pft, waste of space. | 00:34 |
| ieatlint | ajalkane: nokia maps is slow because it has a mapping engine with it all cached locally | 00:34 |
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| ieatlint | MS maps is faster because it's basically just doing the task of a web browser | 00:35 |
| ieatlint | (note that's not necessarily a criticism.. sometimes i just want a map instantly and don't give a fuck if it has to download it on the fly) | 00:35 |
| ajalkane | ieatlint: I don't really understand the technical reason why that would have to mean Nokia maps has to be dog slow. | 00:35 |
| ajalkane | But on the other hand, I don't have to understand. | 00:35 |
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| jani | qml version bump would make n9 alot more responsive in certain apps, for example maps .. | 00:46 |
| ajalkane | maps uses qml? | 00:48 |
| ajalkane | most stock apps on harmy use meegotouch | 00:48 |
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| ajalkane | My biggest gripe is the very slow start up of QML based applications on harmy | 00:49 |
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| jani | ajalkane: afaik, twitter, facebook, maps atleast where qml apps .. | 00:50 |
| ajalkane | twitter and facebook I knew, maps is a nice surprise. Figured it'd be such old code that it won't be qml | 00:51 |
| ajalkane | what qml version has the speed improvements? We don't have to wait for Qt 5? | 00:52 |
| ieatlint | i imagine maps is qgraphicsview | 00:53 |
| ieatlint | and that it's already rendering vector based maps via opengl | 00:53 |
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| jani | ieatlint: qt-components in depends for maps package .. so qt-quick == qml . . right ? | 00:54 |
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| ieatlint | yes, but i refuse to believe they're rendering maps in qml like that | 00:55 |
| jani | and totally offtopic comment nothing to do harmattan: how on earth can a modern day linux distro ship without a tool to configure keyboard layout?! | 00:56 |
| jani | ieatlint: i wasnt really saying that either .. just the ui components | 00:58 |
| ieatlint | dunno, i don't see any components i recognize in it | 00:59 |
| jani | would it help to say that i worked 3½ years on harmattan project and maps is definetly not using meegotouch ;) | 00:59 |
| ieatlint | sure, but my assertion was that it used qgraphicsview, not qml | 01:00 |
| ieatlint | or mtf | 01:00 |
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| jani | a fact: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components <- has a runtime dependency for that . can't say if its "real" qml or something else but its definetly used within maps .. .. that or some idiot package maintainer =) | 01:04 |
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| bkre_home | ieatlint: qml is also based on QGraphicsView (it's not 100% correct, I should better say: The QDeclarativeItems in 4.x are based on QGraphicItems ;) ) | 01:07 |
| bkre_home | You can find the qml files for maps somewhere in /usr/libs/maps or /usr/share/maps, if I remember the location correctly | 01:08 |
| jani | indeed. | 01:09 |
| ieatlint | bkre_home: yes, but it's not the same | 01:12 |
| ieatlint | i'm ready to admit i'm wrong and it is qml based, but i'll be surprised | 01:12 |
| ieatlint | will look at those locations... | 01:13 |
| jani | fire up a shell and do dpkg-query -L maps ;) | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | interesting... looks like the UI bit is qml indeed | 01:15 |
| javispedro | maps and drive are qml indeed | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | but based on a quick look, they created a maps import that i'll then assume does the maps themselves | 01:15 |
| javispedro | there's some common qml map component that is "private" to them but is a thousand times better than the qt mobility one | 01:16 |
| ieatlint | because if they're actually rendering maps in qml... i'll be somewhat impessed, and also understand why it's slow | 01:16 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: nah, rendering is obviously native, libmos | 01:17 |
| ieatlint | yeah, that's why i was convinced it wasn't qml at all | 01:18 |
| bkre_home | the facebook app has also some C++ backend code; most apps are mixing, some more, some less | 01:20 |
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| ajalkane | I pity the fool that don't mix. | 01:21 |
| javispedro | I'd say that most apps are MTF/C++ ;P | 01:21 |
| jani | yeah, most apps use mtf but some do mix the stuff with qml too | 01:22 |
| ajalkane | It'd be nice to see some tutorial how to mix MTF components into QML application. It'd be nice to use for example the analog clock selection dialog from QML apps | 01:23 |
| jani | ajalkane: http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/mixing-qml-and-meegotouch/ ? | 01:25 |
| jani | dunno if thats enough to mix mtf components to same app but atleast if you use separate windows it should work .. | 01:26 |
| javispedro | vgba from RST38h does it | 01:27 |
| ajalkane | jani: thanks. One does lose the boostable stuff with that solution though, if I understand correctly. Not sure if the boostable has much difference though, I haven't seen much anyway. | 01:27 |
| jani | that goes beyond my knowledge | 01:29 |
| ajalkane | anyone familiar with this QUiLoader class: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt4/quiloader.html?tab=0 | 01:31 |
| ajalkane | It says "The QUiLoader class provides a collection of functions allowing you to create widgets based on the information stored in UI files (created with Qt Designer) or available in the specified plugin paths." | 01:32 |
| ajalkane | I wonder if that could be used to access MTF widgets from QML? | 01:33 |
| javispedro | that is probably from QtGui, not MTF or QML | 01:35 |
| ajalkane | Yeah, would have been too easy. There was just this one code example that got my hopes up " if (availableWidgets.contains("AnalogClock"))" | 01:36 |
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| javispedro | analogclock is the classical qtgui example custom widget :) | 01:37 |
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| ajalkane | I saw that with googling. Another victory for pessimism trumps optimism :) | 01:38 |
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| ieatlint | you shouldn't mix qml with any qwidgets as i understand | 01:39 |
| ieatlint | things written using qgraphicsitem and such are able to be used | 01:40 |
| ieatlint | but putting a qwidget into qml will make it render the widget via raster and then paint it in... it'll be slow | 01:40 |
| ieatlint | you can also make a mtf application and have a qdeclarativeview inside it that shows your qml | 01:41 |
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| jani | well, mtf doesnt base on qwidgets .. | 01:42 |
| ajalkane | okay, good to know. I have quite non-existent understanding of the qgraphics*/qdeclarative* workings, mostly done just QWidget stuff before Harmy. | 01:42 |
| ieatlint | oh, indeed | 01:42 |
| ajalkane | I guess I was expecting or hoping it's all based on QWidgets | 01:42 |
| ieatlint | so yeah, it should be possible :P | 01:42 |
| jani | nah, its all qgraphics* stuff .. qwidget was avoided because that we could do better rendering engine. | 01:44 |
| jani | going afk now for a while. | 01:44 |
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| faenil_ | anyone online? | 02:16 |
| javispedro | no | 02:17 |
| merlin1991 | no | 02:17 |
| faenil_ | good :) | 02:17 |
| faenil_ | let's suppose I'm painting with gl in a QDeclItem | 02:17 |
| faenil_ | then a function binds another framebuffer | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *am* (the) online | 02:17 |
| faenil_ | how can I get the older framebuffer and bind that one back? | 02:18 |
| faenil_ | you are everywhere Doc xD | 02:18 |
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| faenil_ | now don't tell none knows the answer :P | 02:19 |
| javispedro | I think that you are playing with fire | 02:19 |
| faenil_ | no other choice ;) | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smells like unerasing files | 02:21 |
| faenil_ | I did not write the function which binds another buffer but I have to use it (it's part of my project), so, I just need a way to set my old framebuffer back before rendering :P | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | for all I know and would guess, binding a new object always frees the old object - so basicaly your framebuffer could have become a sixpack rootbeer meanwhile, or a static noise in a letterman show | 02:24 |
| faenil_ | or I can save it before changing it, so that I can set it back later...can't I?.. | 02:25 |
| faenil_ | anyway, gl doesn't delete all textures just because you're binding one :P | 02:25 |
| faenil_ | (that was an example) | 02:25 |
| faenil_ | you have ids to bind other textures after you've finished with one | 02:26 |
| faenil_ | and I guess it's the same with framebuffers | 02:26 |
| faenil_ | that's why I'm looking for a way to get the actual framebuffer | 02:26 |
| faenil_ | I actually miswrote, I'm talking about render buffers | 02:28 |
| faenil_ | not framebuffers | 02:28 |
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| javispedro | I'm just saying that I bet Qt doesn't like you change that part of the gl context | 02:30 |
| faenil_ | is that a way to say I can't retrieve the current framebuffer via Qt? :D | 02:31 |
| faenil_ | coz I have to :D | 02:31 |
| faenil_ | it's my buffer, not Qt's :D | 02:31 |
| faenil_ | Qt renders the UI in another gl context, afaik | 02:31 |
| javispedro | hm | 02:32 |
| javispedro | I don't know, tbh. | 02:32 |
| faenil_ | beginNativePainting should guarantee that afaik | 02:32 |
| javispedro | Either way, you can get the current framebuffer with glGet* | 02:32 |
| javispedro | *renderbuffer | 02:32 |
| faenil_ | alllright! :D | 02:32 |
| faenil_ | yeah, via Gl, better going lowlevel some times :D | 02:32 |
| javispedro | but as I was saying I think that you're doing something weird | 02:32 |
| faenil_ | I would let you read the code but you wouldn't like it :) | 02:33 |
| faenil_ | it uses a DepthReader which has one framebuffer and 2 renderbuffers | 02:33 |
| faenil_ | a normalreader which has one framebuffer and 2 renderbuffers | 02:33 |
| faenil_ | and main viewer which has one frame and 2 renderbuffers | 02:34 |
| faenil_ | and it plays with them | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like you're re-implementing age old amiga juggler | 02:34 |
| faenil_ | Doc: it's an app from research centre, I bet they know what they're doing :) | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd be surprised ;-P | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet they know what they're doing when leaving the office ;-) | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | during work hours though... not so sure | 02:36 |
| faenil_ | oh come on... | 02:37 |
| faenil_ | if you've got any iOS device, download MeshPad and see if they did a good job urself | 02:40 |
| faenil_ | that's the app I'm porting | 02:40 |
| javispedro | well, since it's not a game I guess performance doesn't matter | 02:45 |
| faenil_ | it does when displaying 2M tri meshes :) | 02:46 |
| faenil_ | on a tablet | 02:46 |
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| faenil_ | sorry 2m vertices :P | 02:48 |
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| beford | is it free | 02:53 |
| faenil_ | yes | 02:53 |
| faenil_ | it could have been renamed to MeshLab mobile for iOS | 02:54 |
| beford | it doesnt | 02:54 |
| beford | oh yea | 02:54 |
| beford | :P | 02:54 |
| faenil_ | lol | 02:54 |
| beford | seems quite fast | 02:55 |
| javispedro | faenil_: as long as you do not need lots of FPSs, these little things can push bazillions per second | 02:57 |
| faenil_ | javispedro: it's a meshviewer, I don't want to go into details, but if you want to optimize a software, you do that :) | 02:58 |
| faenil_ | and the more fps, the better :) | 03:00 |
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| beford | nice app | 03:03 |
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| beford | and the lib seems to be oss so its better | 03:04 |
| faenil_ | vcglib is OSS, yeah :) | 03:04 |
| faenil_ | javispedro: fps is capped to 60fps, just in case you though we liked 500000 fps :D | 03:12 |
| beford | he is gone | 03:14 |
| faenil_ | oh right | 03:14 |
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| faenil_ | good night people :) | 03:19 |
| faenil_ | cya tomorrow ;) | 03:19 |
| beford | nght | 03:20 |
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| javispedro | the satisfaction of finally sending an email I've been willing to send for the past two weeks is ... satisfying | 03:23 |
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| javispedro | no, that's what the receiver will do | 03:30 |
| javispedro | to me, obviously =) | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, whatever. Isn't satifying satisfaction all we ever needed? | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 03:42 |
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| chris__ | Hello, I need help with deploying my app | 08:17 |
| chris__ | using qt-creator, suddenly it stopped deployment with :-1: error: Failed to upload package: Failure, File not found!, although it passes the connection test | 08:19 |
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| khertan | Morning | 11:17 |
| X-Fade | morning | 11:18 |
| khertan | A question (not specific to harmattan) : I ve a dyndns account routing to my pc at home, when i m at the office i can connect to my pc using it, but when i m at home i can't use the dyndns on the local network and must use local ip. The problem is when i want to clone a git project, i must each time manual change the ip/dynhost on my n950 ... any way to do conditionnal hosts file depending on the networks ? | 11:21 |
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| X-Fade | khertan: Wouldn't it be easier to just push your stuff to github or so? ;) | 11:23 |
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| khertan | X-Fade: héhé ... indeed ... but not a free project :) | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | khertan: then run a dns server inside your network. | 11:26 |
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| khertan | hum ... need to learn how to configure that ... but yep ... less crappy solution i think :) | 11:27 |
| gabriel9 | morning | 11:27 |
| khertan | thx | 11:27 |
| khertan | Morning gabriel9 | 11:27 |
| gabriel9 | anyone knows how to download more detailed maps on N9, i have cities but i need also maps around cities | 11:29 |
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| gabriel9 | yesterday i drive my bike and got lost becouse of the bad maps | 11:29 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 11:30 |
| Jeffrey04 | aren't there a couple of maps available? | 11:30 |
| Jeffrey04 | you may have better luck asking it on #n9 | 11:30 |
| gabriel9 | ok, i asked them | 11:30 |
| khertan | You can add maps ? | 11:30 |
| gabriel9 | i downloaded maps for my country | 11:31 |
| khertan | via the parameters / manage maps / menu / ... | 11:31 |
| gabriel9 | and cities are ok, but when i go outside of citites there is just blured map with only main road | 11:31 |
| khertan | hum ... what country is it ? | 11:32 |
| dm8tbr | gabriel9: does http://maps.nokia.com have more detailed maps than you see on your N9? | 11:32 |
| gabriel9 | Bosnia and Hercegovina | 11:34 |
| gabriel9 | wait i will check | 11:35 |
| marsje | gabriel9: CloudGPS app supports Open Street Map.. which you can edit yourself :) | 11:38 |
| gabriel9 | i can download some part of the map with detail layers | 11:38 |
| gabriel9 | and then drive my bycicle over the hils | 11:38 |
| gabriel9 | if you are right i will sing your name while i driving :) | 11:39 |
| marsje | check http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.296875&lon=19.48974609375&zoom=7 | 11:39 |
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| dm8tbr | marsje: that sounds interesting | 11:39 |
| gabriel9 | dm8tbr: there is far more details on online maps on nikia site | 11:40 |
| marsje | dm8tbr: you can either change some things directly on the website or you can download a more advanced tool for creating your own maps | 11:40 |
| marsje | gabriel9: sounds like you have a map of another country, which has details for one country and only main roads for other countries | 11:40 |
| gabriel9 | in my Manage Maps i have Bosnia and Hercegovina downloaded | 11:42 |
| gabriel9 | which is only 30MB | 11:42 |
| gabriel9 | and no other | 11:42 |
| gabriel9 | that 30MB is to small | 11:42 |
| dm8tbr | gabriel9: I guess you don't have mobile data connectivity enabled on your N9? | 11:43 |
| gabriel9 | to expensive with this mobile network | 11:44 |
| dm8tbr | gabriel9: ok, then while on WiFi, browse the areas you want to use using the maps application | 11:45 |
| dm8tbr | gabriel9: remember to zoom in as much as possible/you need if you also use satellite | 11:46 |
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| dm8tbr | this will then download the maps from the nokia servers to your N9 and you'll be able to use them the next time you're riding your bicycle | 11:46 |
| gabriel9 | are you sure | 11:47 |
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| * dm8tbr does that before business trips. 'scan' the city with the mapps application and then data is available offline | 11:47 | |
| gabriel9 | i will try for sure, thanks | 11:47 |
| dm8tbr | still I'd be interested in that OSM app that marsje mentioned, sounds like a cool thing | 11:49 |
| marsje | dm8tbr: I mean you can edit the map on your pc, not yet on your N9 | 11:50 |
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| marsje | OSM starting point: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page | 11:51 |
| dm8tbr | marsje: I know what OSM is, where is the app for my n9... :) | 11:51 |
| M4rtinK | well, there was OSM2GO on Fremantle :) | 11:52 |
| marsje | really? | 11:52 |
| marsje | cool | 11:52 |
| marsje | I use JOSM on my pc (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM) | 11:53 |
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| dm8tbr | ah cloudgps is in the nokia store | 11:53 |
| marsje | dm8tbr: I'm just a user of OSM and an occasional editor. Also, I'm not yet a N9 dev... | 12:01 |
| dm8tbr | that cloud-gps looks like it's already a really good app | 12:02 |
| dm8tbr | the only thing I'd add right now would be pinch-zoom, but the zoom buttons work fine for me too | 12:03 |
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| * dm8tbr looks at tampere OSM maps using cloudgps, looks really good | 12:04 | |
| M4rtinK | you might want to also check the new AGTL version: http://www.danielfett.de/privat,blog,agtl-n9-meego-alpha-2 | 12:04 |
| M4rtinK | has a custom map widget that is quite snappy even though it is completely written in QML (!) + pinch zoom | 12:05 |
| M4rtinK | and I nice Augmented Reality feature | 12:06 |
| M4rtinK | I plan to port quite a few of those things to the new modRana Qt GUI BTW :) | 12:07 |
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| chris__ | anyone uses qt-creator on ubuntu here? | 12:09 |
| marsje | chris__: I once tried, but it sort of locked up my computer when I tried to update it | 12:10 |
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| marsje | I did not find the time/energy yet to try again | 12:10 |
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| chris__ | I cant deploy to my n9 even though the connection tests ok and it works from my vm | 12:24 |
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| kevin_b | chris__ : did you try ; find / -name yourbinary | 12:41 |
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| chris__ | kevin_b, the problem is that the packege doesnt upload to the phone | 12:47 |
| chris__ | therefore theres nothing to install, therefore no binary on the device | 12:47 |
| chris__ | now I can upload it and install it manually from the shell, but this way I cant debug my app | 12:48 |
| Tuju | hi, what should i do when n950 oneclickflashing fails every time like this: http://fpaste.org/Xxcu/ | 12:49 |
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| ZogG_laptop | chris__: why can't you upload to the phone | 13:14 |
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| ZogG_laptop | chris__: as well you can use console.log("text"); in qml or qdebug(); in c++ and see the output | 13:14 |
| chris__ | ZogG_laptop, for debugging? yes but its much easyer to use creator for that | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's the same | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | chris__: are you trying usb or lan? | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | wlan? | 13:15 |
| chris__ | I dont know why can I upload, creator says upload failed, | 13:15 |
| chris__ | wlan | 13:15 |
| chris__ | it worked before | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | in creator there is output | 13:16 |
| chris__ | and it works on the same machine from my virtal machune (windows) with identical setup | 13:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | where it says error - right click -> output | 13:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | chris__: check the output | 13:16 |
| chris__ | 18:15:22: Deploy step failed. | 13:16 |
| chris__ | Error while building project digime (target: Harmattan) | 13:16 |
| chris__ | When executing build step 'Deploy Debian package via SFTP upload' | 13:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | it can't connnect thru ssh | 13:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | did you set it properly? | 13:17 |
| chris__ | how come the device tests is ok then ? | 13:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | try to run test | 13:17 |
| chris__ | yes, I deployed the key successfully | 13:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | the ip i assume is the same | 13:17 |
| chris__ | test says everything ok | 13:17 |
| chris__ | yes | 13:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | re-add the device | 13:17 |
| chris__ | already re added a few times | 13:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | try usb as well | 13:17 |
| chris__ | usbnet doesnt work on my ubuntu | 13:18 |
| chris__ | it all works from my visrtualbox windows install but it takes 15-20 minutes to comile there | 13:19 |
| chris__ | how can I find a more detailed log of the deployment process? | 13:21 |
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| jonni | by default it tries to scp over usbnet, you need to make that wifi device your default target in order for it to scp over there. | 13:47 |
| jonni | I've had similar broblems a while back, where device tests are ok, but deploy button tried to copy to wrong target, untill I figured out to setup the default. | 13:48 |
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| chris__ | jonni, you mean click projects -> harmattan -> run -> device configuration(select the wlan device config)? Because that is selected already | 13:59 |
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| jonni | tools->options->"Linux Devices"->"Device Configurations"->"Set as default"-button | 14:01 |
| jonni | hmm, or what was it.. let me check again.... | 14:02 |
| chris__ | jonni, ok I set it to default and still :-1: error: Failed to upload package: Failure | 14:02 |
| chris__ | how come it works from my windows virtual machine? | 14:02 |
| jonni | or you using usbnet or wifi, and what is the ip of your device? | 14:04 |
| jonni | set as default button next to generate ssh key button | 14:05 |
| chris__ | I am using wifi the ip is good of course the keys have deployed, tests pare passed | 14:06 |
| chris__ | jonni, are you using creator from ubuntu? | 14:07 |
| jonni | chris__: yep in ubuntu | 14:07 |
| chris__ | and you updated it with the latest update? | 14:08 |
| jonni | there was some tweaking needed sometimes to get the changed ip to be active inside the existing project | 14:08 |
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| jonni | ie it tried to connect to old 192.168.2.15 instead of the wifi ip | 14:08 |
| chris__ | have you updated your sdk? | 14:09 |
| jonni | running qt creator 2.4.81 | 14:09 |
| jonni | so should be about the lastest build | 14:09 |
| chris__ | how do I check the version? | 14:09 |
| jonni | help->about version | 14:10 |
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| jonni | about qt creator even | 14:10 |
| chris__ | help about qt creator only says its 2.4.0 | 14:11 |
| chris__ | also my app is only uninstallable from devel-su and not by press-holding on the app launcher screen | 14:14 |
| chris__ | weird | 14:14 |
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| xmlich02 | hi, i am trying to create package, but i missed something. Can anyone help? http://pcmlich.fit.vutbr.cz/tmp/orientationlock.tar.gz | 14:23 |
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| jonni | xmlich02: whats the problem? | 14:38 |
| jonni | xmlich02: ah missing aegis manifest file | 14:44 |
| jonni | xmlich02: ah it doesnt need one. I just created working deb from that tar.gz | 14:50 |
| xmlich02 | jonni, can you send it to me? | 14:51 |
| xmlich02 | how you created it? | 14:52 |
| jonni | what was your error? | 14:52 |
| jonni | only thing that I needed to do was: "chown -R root. debian" and then run the x.sh | 14:53 |
| jonni | sudo chown | 14:53 |
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| khertan | Hi again, | 14:55 |
| khertan | Someone notice that sometime n950 GSM Network isn't working ? | 14:55 |
| xmlich02 | some permission error | 14:55 |
| khertan | ? | 14:55 |
| khertan | permission about what ? | 14:56 |
| khertan | because it displays a coverage ... i can even see when i got more or less coverage | 14:57 |
| khertan | but receiving call isn't possible and not emitting too | 14:57 |
| khertan | only reboot seems to be the solution | 14:57 |
| jonni | xmlich02: yep that permission error was fixed with that chown, I pm'ed the deb package | 14:57 |
| xmlich02 | i am not sure how to do it well on my computer. I was creating package in scratchbox on fedora.. | 14:59 |
| jonni | in scratchbox most likely you just need to do: fakeroot chown -R root. debian | 15:00 |
| xmlich02 | thanks | 15:00 |
| jonni | although you might have problems getting that passed in ovi store qa, since stopping sensord also stops proximity sensonr, criples the essential phone functionality | 15:02 |
| jonni | better approach would be to use javispedros approach, since that doesnt criple proximity sensor | 15:03 |
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| jonni | it also breaks screenshot application as it uses proximity sensor | 15:05 |
| xmlich02 | i am not sure how to do it well. I do not know javispedros approach | 15:06 |
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| jonni | xmlich02: https://gitorious.org/javispedro-n950-misc/glol | 15:07 |
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| xmlich02 | thanks, i will take a look on it .. | 15:10 |
| jonni | just altering that one to lock to current orientation, and you get solution that doesnt break screenshot and phonecall | 15:10 |
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| chris__ | Ok so turnes out that me updating the SDK causes the unable to upload error | 15:12 |
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| petterw | khertan: I've noticed this too | 15:47 |
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| petterw | maybe once every 2 weeks | 15:47 |
| petterw | only on n9 | 15:48 |
| khertan | petterw: hum got it ... four time by dau | 15:48 |
| khertan | but seems happen more when connected to usb at work | 15:48 |
| petterw | i get it when moving through a zone of bad gsm/3g coverage and then into good coverage | 15:51 |
| petterw | everything looks normal, but can't call and can't send or receive sms. | 15:52 |
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| khertan | petterw: same everythings look normal, but it s happen without moving to a bad coverage area ... | 15:55 |
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| Tuju | jonni: any good ideas how i could get n950 installed? | 17:48 |
| Tuju | it fails with all three known OCF. | 17:48 |
| alterego | What error do you get?@ | 17:53 |
| Tuju | this was one attempt http://fpaste.org/rNaC/ | 17:54 |
| Tuju | always it fails on that rootfs, sometimes there is something about sudo | 17:55 |
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| mgedmin | Tuju, this happened to mine; Nokia sent me a new one and I sent it back | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | hardware problem, apparently | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | ("it" == "the old, broken one") | 18:00 |
| Tuju | mgedmin: ah, interesting. | 18:00 |
| Tuju | my device got bricked when i accepted the OTA update. | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | mine kind of bricked itself before that | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | disk errors for the /home partition etc. | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | barely managed to boot | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | I tried reflashing as a last resort; that didn't work | 18:01 |
| Tuju | ack, i actually had some weird filesystem issues too in boot | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | although I tried three times and each time it would fail sooner | 18:01 |
| Tuju | got that yeallow traffic sign warning about it - i guess that was related to low batt | 18:02 |
| dm8tbr | the yellow warning is when e.g. the kernel is not properly signed or the device MALFs | 18:03 |
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| dm8tbr | depends on what the message says | 18:03 |
| Tuju | can't remember what it said. | 18:04 |
| Tuju | but i guess i'm wasting time with that unit then. | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | I can't either | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | something about 'device malfunctioning' | 18:04 |
| Tuju | yep | 18:04 |
| Tuju | or 'cannot read memory' or something about corrupted mem | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | mine would enter a reboot loop, then show the yellow thingy after a few iterations | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | I would turn it off and back on again | 18:05 |
| Tuju | typically that would help if you charged it. | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | it would boot after maybe five such greater loops | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | then work for maybe a week | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | then crash in an interesting way | 18:05 |
| dm8tbr | Tuju: did you try from a different computer? | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | finally I looked at dmesg and noticed filesystem errors, tried reflashing, found out it had faulty flash | 18:05 |
| Tuju | dm8tbr: nope, but different usb-interface i did. | 18:06 |
| alterego | http://t.co/iwNZXo2t | 18:06 |
| dm8tbr | might be worth trying | 18:06 |
| Tuju | i actually have windows 95 :) | 18:07 |
| Tuju | next to my x86_64 fedora box... | 18:07 |
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| jonni | Tuju: yep, if its hardware failure, you should return it for replacement. | 18:59 |
| Tuju | ....back.... | 19:00 |
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| Tuju | ...hmmmm....hmm..... jonni - you must mean that my desktop has a hardware problem? since it *succeeded* on windows 95 - which i just did and checked when you adressed me.... | 19:01 |
| Tuju | it booted. | 19:01 |
| Tuju | crap. | 19:01 |
| jonni | ;) | 19:01 |
| Tuju | what's the finnish timezone right now? | 19:01 |
| Tuju | +3? | 19:01 |
| jonni | +2 | 19:02 |
| Tuju | i better put back cover back on if some bug blows that li-ion back there to my fingers. | 19:04 |
| Tuju | but this looks boring, the same it had previously. | 19:06 |
| Tuju | btw, linux arpwatch says: ethernet vendor: <unknown> | 19:08 |
| Tuju | fedora package: arpwatch, file: /var/lib/arpwatch/ethercodes.dat | 19:09 |
| Tuju | arpwatch home: http://ee.lbl.gov/ | 19:09 |
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| Venemo | hey guys :) | 19:17 |
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| chris__ | I can't uninstall my deployed app only from devel-su shell | 19:20 |
| chris__ | why is that? | 19:20 |
| Venemo | chris__, some misconfigured packaging settings? | 19:21 |
| chris__ | Venemo, I didnt configure anything about packaging, what do you mean? | 19:21 |
| Venemo | chris__, then it's no surprise that it doesn't work. | 19:22 |
| chris__ | uh | 19:22 |
| chris__ | what am I supposed to configure? | 19:22 |
| Venemo | chris__, by the way, IIRC only those apps can be uninstalled from GUI that you installed with the package manager of the os. | 19:22 |
| chris__ | Venemo, are you positive? | 19:23 |
| Venemo | chris__, it was so long ago that I forgot how it was exactly. | 19:23 |
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| Aranel_N9 | I remember that there was a workaround to make N9/N950 work with Nokia Suite, but cannot locate it now. Anybody have a link/hint? | 19:25 |
| alterego | Never got it to work myself. | 19:26 |
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| chris__ | in qml how do stop the screen from compressing into half its size when the software keyboard comes up? | 19:37 |
| CissWit | à/win MaC | 19:38 |
| CissWit | sorry u_u, little fail :) | 19:38 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Aranel_N9: looks like the trick is to use an old version | 20:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 3.0.0.290 | 20:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also apparently nokia suite's the only way to get usb tethering? | 20:10 |
| ieatlint | theoretically you could do it via sdk mode and iptables, as done on the n900 | 20:11 |
| SpeedEvil | ssh-socks | 20:11 |
| ieatlint | (or via ssh) | 20:11 |
| ieatlint | yeah | 20:11 |
| ieatlint | ssh -D | 20:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that seems...less than elegant though | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. the tcp over tcp problem | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but yeah | 20:12 |
| ieatlint | i'm into OSS... wtf do i know about elegant | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | unix pipes are elegant :) | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | tcp over tcp is not a problem | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | It's only a prob lem in the case of a congested pipe | 20:13 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also newegg *finally* verified my address on the n9 order...asshats :p anyway later | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | thp: looks like your PyGame binaries work on my Touchpad :) | 20:15 |
| ieatlint | they're about an hour from where i am right now... i'm happy to go scream obscenities on your behalf | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | though the example application doesn't seem to be getting any input from the screen (no idea if it should) | 20:16 |
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| Aranel_N9 | itsnotabigtruck: well it said R&D release expired or something like that today, forced me to update. | 20:19 |
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| Shadikka | j5ihsm :D | 20:42 |
| Shadikka | phailed phone net, sorry :) | 20:43 |
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| jonni | chris__: uninstall x on grid usually depends on your desktop file. | 21:15 |
| chris__ | jonni, again please | 21:15 |
| chris__ | oh I get it | 21:16 |
| chris__ | whats the enry I'm missing | 21:16 |
| chris__ | this is my desktop file: http://pastebin.com/kK7kzGtn | 21:18 |
| jonni | dont remember, usually wizards desktop file is enough | 21:18 |
| chris__ | thanks | 21:18 |
| jonni | ah thats should be ok, then you have installed it manually and not through the sdk / appmgr | 21:19 |
| jonni | I've seen the x missing if I used dpkg and not the deploy button. | 21:20 |
| chris__ | well, I downgraded my SDK so now I can deply, meaning I installed it via the SDK | 21:20 |
| jonni | ah, then the x should appear in there | 21:21 |
| chris__ | ok, now I can uninstall indeed, it takes some minutes after installation for the app to be uninstallable... | 21:21 |
| jonni | ;) | 21:22 |
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| xTs | Hi. I've got my N9 today and the first thing I wanted to do was to upgrade the phone. The phone is fully charged and plugged into the charger, the wifi connection works and the update is downloaded fully. But when the update should run it does nothing for some time (stays at 0%) and then fails with a very nonverbose error message | 23:18 |
| xTs | I've got no SIM card in the phone right now. Could this be the problem (but why should it?) | 23:19 |
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| xTs | Version is 10.2011.34-1.399.01.2_PR_339 | 23:19 |
| mgedmin | xTs, I have the same problem on my N950: "Upgrade failed", no reason given | 23:23 |
| xTs | activating developer mode fails, too, because the installation of the developer stuff fails | 23:23 |
| mgedmin | my N9, OTOH, upgraded itself just fine | 23:23 |
| xTs | is there a software flasher somewhere? (Saw something in the meego forum, but for Maemo) | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | for the N950 yes, for the N9... | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | the flasher exists, but firmware images aren't officially available | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | I hear people who have Windows can use navifirm (?) to get them | 23:25 |
| xTs | i guess there's no shell either... ;) | 23:25 |
| mgedmin | developer mode gives you an xterm | 23:25 |
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| mgedmin | but I believe you can also install xterm from somewhere else | 23:25 |
| mgedmin | I suspect my N950 fails to upgrade because it runs out of RAM | 23:26 |
| mgedmin | (during the update, while it sits at 0%, I get the 'memory low' message several times) | 23:26 |
| xTs | I can't activate to get an xterm and I need an xterm to look further into it... ;) | 23:26 |
| mgedmin | who takes all the ram -- I dunno, I don't have any apps open | 23:27 |
| mgedmin | top showed me a bunch of builtin apps (such as calendar, phone, camera) all running with the --prestart command line option | 23:27 |
| mgedmin | yeah, lack of working developer mode must suck | 23:27 |
| xTs | hehe | 23:28 |
| xTs | lets try again. Did a reboot... now there should be enough ram | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | repo availability issue | 23:29 |
| xTs | the download works | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or repo messed up | 23:30 |
| xTs | but when it comes to the point where you actually can install the updates, it just sits there and fails then | 23:30 |
| mgedmin | I wouldn't be too surprised to find out that latest developer-mode now depends on package versions from PR 1.1 | 23:30 |
| mgedmin | which might explain why developer mode can't be turned on if you're on PR 1.0 | 23:31 |
| mgedmin | I'm clueless about the failed update | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen that and it fixed itself | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | so obviously it's caused by sth outside of device -> repo | 23:32 |
| xTs | it says (roughly translated) "download finished. mobile phone can't be used during update. [Continue]" | 23:33 |
| mgedmin | ooh, fixed itself? | 23:33 |
| xTs | broken packages? Possible, yes. meego uses rpm packages, right? | 23:33 |
| mgedmin | meego -- yes, harmattan -- no | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly sth in repo got messed up | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing particularly new | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | if that's the case then it fits to the murphey's law rule of those things always happening on holidays and weekends, and you shouldn't hope for a fix before Monday | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | but we've also seen repo servers prematurely finishing download of files so the download doesn't throw an error but results in corrupted pkgs that wouldn't install. This usually only happens on some of the machines of the server farm, and fixes itself during some hours | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | then there are cases where some of the servers didn't finish their sync properly, so had a corrupted file collection for some 24h til next sync | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's probably not much you could do either way, except for maybe using another DNS server so you might get another machine from load balancing/geo-routing | 23:42 |
| xTs | so the device tries to unpack the packages in the background and fails then | 23:43 |
| xTs | that could explain why it looks like it doesn't do anything (but it's unpacking) and then fails | 23:43 |
| merlin1991 | bring it to care, you'll get it back weeks later :D | 23:45 |
| merlin1991 | they told me 7 to 10 days, lulz | 23:46 |
| merlin1991 | so far it's 15 | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | for my N900 it's been 30 | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | back when N900 got repaired and not swapped for a N8 | 23:47 |
| merlin1991 | well in my case it's just a fsckd battery ffs | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually wonder if finally I should disassemble the N9 | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | the technicials are still playing gof2 on it | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be fun | 23:50 |
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