IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2012-01-05

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niwakameI'll call it a day for now00:05
niwakamegn8 / good day / good morning @ chan00:06
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thpkevin_b: you are using the QGLWidget without a QMainWindow directly and calling showFullScreen() on it?00:44
javispedroMohammadAG: there?00:50
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faenilguys is anyone able to clear some doubts about qml bindings? :)00:58
faenil(even if it's easy enough to find out by myself, just want to talk about that :) )00:58
faenillike what if I have00:58
faenilproperty variant: "" + var100:59
faenilproperty variant test1: "" + var100:59
faenilwill test1 be set everytime var1 changes?00:59
faenilso it works also with things like00:59
javispedroexpressions, and even function calls00:59
faenilif (status == Page.StatusActive) then 1 else 200:59
faenilit gets reevaluated everytime status changes?01:00
faenilwonderful, that's what I expected, very nice :)01:00
faeniljust have never heard anyone confirming that :)01:00
faenilonly had confirmations about the ternary operator01:00
javispedroI am quite sure I read it somewhere other than the source..01:00
faenillet me know if you happen to find the source again :)01:01
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javispedroright there01:01
javispedro"QML extends a standards compliant JavaScript engine, so any valid JavaScript expression can be used as a property binding. Bindings can access object properties, make function calls and even use built-in JavaScript objects such as Date and Math."01:01
faenillol I was reading the same page, but starting from the bottom :D01:02
faenil(the link opened the page halfway and I was reading up :D)01:02
faenilthanks :)01:02
JackaLXjavispedro: hey mate!  The other day I installed your `fmrx'.  It's cool, I like it. But were you aware that turning it off (by tapping `on') turns off bluetooth? :-)01:03
faenilyes he is01:04
faenilI remember I read something about that01:04
faenilnot sure though :)01:04
javispedroyes, I am, read the last post :)01:04
JackaLXoki, cool01:04
faenilgood :)01:04
javispedroit's actually a policy manager bug. on the "daemon" version the daemon is controlling bluetooth, so it works better01:05
javispedroit doesn't even turn on bluetooth, because there's no need to keep BT on while listening to the radio.01:06
javispedro(it has to be turned on to setup the radio, but that is done in a few miliseconds, so you don't necessarily see it)01:06
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jru3Hi, I want to do an app to auto merge duplicate contacts, but I'm having a hard time accessing them, do I need to request aegis something? is there any working example of accessing contacts on harmattan? thanks01:21
jru3I think the toke is TrackerReadAccess, if I need two tokens can I put them on the same file? <aegis><request>1..</request><request>2..</request>..</aegis>01:24
tommatracerread and write01:24
tommawhich should be handled automaticly01:25
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jru3is it ok to put  <credential name="TrackerReadAccess" /> <credential name="TrackerWriteAccess" />? on the manigest.aegis?01:37
javispedrosee for examples01:37
jru3thanks I was reading that but I'm still a little confused01:38
jru3and is there any example of how to initialize or use a QContactManager? I'm lookint at the phonebook sample but I can't access contacts yet01:41
jru3I don't understand how to initialize a QContactManager, if I follow the example and I do qContactManager = 0, then if I do qDebug() << qContactManager->contacts().count() to test if everything is ok I get a segmentation fault01:47
jru3so I guess qContactManager is not correctly created01:48
javispedrohow do you run your application01:48
javispedroyou might need to deploy it and run it from the device's terminal or launcher instead of using QtCreator's Play button01:48
jru3I use QtCreator01:49
jru3if I run it from terminal does it show different results?01:49
javispedrotry it (how would I know? :P )01:53
jru3sure.. thanks01:53
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itsnotabigtruckoh shit, the nokia n9 price at newegg just dropped thirty bucks04:26
itsnotabigtrucki wonder if it's going to keep going down...their pricing changes based on sales so it can go all over the place04:27
nibbleri wonder what the N9 sales is like compared to the lumia.04:32
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itsnotabigtruckyay, /me can haz N9, finally07:16
itsnotabigtruckunfortunately it's probably not the finland-made variety but going by the forums it sounds like that's an overblown concern07:17
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auenferr, stupid google urls08:02
itsnotabigtruckauenf: is it supposed to be surprising that chinese factory conditions are less than ideal :/ but it's way too far gone at this point08:04
auenfiirc, the doco is about someone from nokia finland going to the chinese factory and 'fixing' it more or less08:05
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itsnotabigtruckman, finally dumped the n9 firmware08:59
itsnotabigtruckit would be nice if the info was all in one place...apparently they took the unpacking feature out of flasher 3.12 so you have to use 3.508:59
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keithzgObviously I'm just doing something stupid, but why would I be getting an error of 'module "" version 1.1 is not installed' on the N9 itself? (trying to write a simple PySide/QML app)10:01
jonnibecause your supposed to import 1.010:03
keithzgah . . . that'll teach me to follow the Harmattan Developer Documentation blindly, heh10:04
keithzgExcellent, now it fully loads into the jumble of broken code that I have so far, now the real work can begin heh10:08
keithzg(it's about time I finally learned QML, hell, I run KDE on most of my computers even)10:12
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djszapihi, does one have an open mode warranty void screenshot by off-hand ?10:35
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: re10:36
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: and what the f you are talking about?10:36
djszapiZogG_laptop: hi :)10:36
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: shhhhhh...!10:37
DocScrutinizerI almost started to like this chan10:38
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: if you search something bad you'll always find something, so stop it10:39
djszapiZogG_laptop: there was a warning screen during an open-mode kernel boot, if I recall correctly.10:40
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: never used it10:41
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: waiting for something more stable and documanted10:41
DocScrutinizerZogG_laptop: thanks for explaining to me why I won't look here from now on again10:42
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: stop being drama queen10:50
DocScrutinizerthanks for adding to the points why I will soon leave this chan comletely10:50
ZogG_laptopniwakame|away: still away?10:51
DocScrutinizeror add to my /ignore lists another few names (though it's this need for /ignores that spoils the chan for me)10:51
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: you can do it without telling it to us, that's the point of it10:52
DocScrutinizerI also can +q you without telling anybody10:52
DocScrutinizerfor me it's the better alternative10:52
ZogG_laptopyou can10:54
ZogG_laptopthan do it, if you tying to prove something with it. but it would only prove opposite10:54
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: have you parsed json with qml?10:55
djszapiZogG_laptop: nope, sorry.10:55
DocScrutinizerZogG_laptop: first and foremost *you* are proving sth about your character here10:59
DocScrutinizerand I really don't like somebody to instruct me to stop sth, just because I said "I almost started to love this channel"10:59
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DocScrutinizerand since I think a chanop with one /ignore is as bad as a chanop with two ignores, I simply take my consequences now. bye11:01
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ZogG_laptopi even don't know whta to say =) , maybe just "every coin has two sides.11:06
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: - it simply doesn't work11:08
ZogG_laptopniwakame|away: game me almost same example and it worked11:09
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djszapiokay, found teh screenshot in the architectural documentation.11:30
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keithzgAre there any simple PySide examples or apps that include the standard (or at least, standard-looking) toolbar?12:04
alteregokeithzg: I'd imagine you'd use QML + PySide for that.12:06
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janihey, there was some talk on twitter about aegis token granting for, anyone knows more about this ?12:25
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ZogG_laptopjani: that was idea of apps, - to have same grantes as ovi and it has it now(don't know if it's implented or not yet though, but you can ask on TMO thread for this repo or X-Fade )12:29
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djszapiI cannot see a new origin though.12:30
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: than add it =)12:34
djszapiZogG_laptop: if there is a new/updated policy package, apps4meego does not have special credential set available.12:35
djszapithere is no*12:35
djszapiit falls under the unknown category until that.12:35
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djszapikeithzg: there will be some guys having PySide experience at the Qt MeetUp in Helsinki. I am not sure where you are from :)
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: they got the credential, the question if they connected it or not12:41
djszapican you please prove it somehow ?12:42
X-Fadedjszapi: install apps client.12:42
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: it's not Santa, yo ucan believe me or not, that's how it works12:43
X-Fadedjszapi: or install aegis-community-source-policy12:43
jbos_hello, I'd like to try some build on scratchbox/harmattan but unlucky me it has a gtk2 dependency (which is planned to get rid of) for testreasons I just want to go on for now12:45
jbos_did someone manage to build an gtk2?12:46
jbos_and may can provide some packages?12:46
ZogG_laptopjbos_: try to search in rzr repo12:47
ZogG_laptoprZr: do you have gtk2 in there?12:47
janix-fade: how does that work ? For example, say i have a aegis token i need for my app to work, if i install it from now (given that its available there in the first place) should it work then ?12:47
X-Fadejani: Yes.12:47
djszapijbos_: un'fly nope. This is the closest:
jbos_k lets see :)12:48
djszapiX-Fade: apt-cache search aegis-community-source-policy -> gives no results.12:49
X-Fadedjszapi: on device12:49
X-Fadedjszapi: lives in nokia apps12:49
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: update?12:50
djszapiZogG_laptop: update happened before the query.12:50
djszapiX-Fade: so this is the only policy which is not available i nscratchbox ?12:50
jbos_mhm to sad,anyway thanks djszapi12:50
X-Fadedjszapi: I guess you then need to add that repo in SB.12:50
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: btw if i upload app do i need to edit aegis grants for my app, or how does it work(never uploaded to ovi as well)12:50
janiX-Fade: one more, does the deb need to be compiled on somewhere like community obs or can i just submit the binary directly.12:50
X-Fadejani: Need to build on community OBS.12:51
djszapiX-Fade: which one ?12:51
X-FadeZogG_laptop: Just add them to your aegis manifest and upload to apps.12:51
ZogG_laptopjani: i think you can not just use as depends but built it in maybe?12:51
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: ok, i'll check it out, but as i'll feel my app is ready for upload to apps4meego i'll bug you with bunch of question, need to upload at least one app to understand how it works12:52
X-Fadedjszapi: harmattan/apps?12:53
X-Fadedjszapi: Check your sources list on device12:53
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janiZogG_laptop: same here. although i have tried to avoid using obs as much as possible. same things just does not make sense with it.12:53
X-Fadejani: It is just a clean sdk. Upload dsc and tarball, watch it build. How hard is that?12:54
djszapiX-Fade: I have all the official in scratchbox.12:54
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: i use QtCreator for that reaon, so i wouldn't bother to do it manually, the problem is that here it's scratchbox - so i need to apply certain changes12:55
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: just install clietn, it would install all as dependies12:55
janiX-Fade: i have not tried community obs, just the obs stuff our internal development had in the past and it was - for some reasons - pain in the bottom half for me.12:55
djszapiZogG_laptop: the manifest syntax is super simple. It is basically xml.12:55
djszapiZogG_laptop: I think I am getting lost. How can a community app be granted for more than allowed by Nokia proper ?12:56
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: yeah but i need to know what to write and not the aegis is the problem, but makng the whole package =)12:56
djszapiZogG_laptop: I can help with that when you need it.12:56
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: coz it's official community repo with it's own QA and it's the best thing to use for apps, as OVI sucks12:57
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: for now my app need polish, re-writtings, UI12:57
ZogG_laptopnow i'm emberassed of my code12:58
djszapiZogG_laptop: I think what you do not understand is that Nokia decides the policies12:59
djszapiso such a policy package should come from Nokia source. What I can imagine is that it is not really there yet entirely.12:59
X-Fadedjszapi: What is the problem then?12:59
djszapiX-Fade: the search query gives no results.13:00
X-Fadedjszapi: Try on your device.13:00
X-Fadedjszapi: How hard can it be :)13:00
djszapiX-Fade: I do not have a device here with me ?13:00
djszapialso, it should work in scratchbox anyway.13:00
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djszapisince people might wanna package community apps in sb anyway13:01
djszapiI guess the nokia ovi source has higher trust level, so you cannot probably replace applications from Ovi.13:01
djszapibut I am just guessing about this.13:01
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djszapiX-Fade: you are Niels Breet ? I now got your mail. Let me read it :)13:03
X-Fadedjszapi: My mail?13:03
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X-FadeI did not write any mails recently? :)13:04
djszapi"haven't pushed that to any public repo yet"13:04
djszapiThat is what Matti Airas wrote on the 28th of December13:05
djszapiOn 23.12.2011 11:13, ext Niels Breet wrote: ... We now have a community source aegis policy available in the nokia... -> this mail.13:05
X-FadeWell it is there now.13:05
alteregoAnyone know who the Quick Flickr author is? :)13:05
X-FadeMy retail devices have the policy installed, so it works fine.13:06
djszapiI will check it out when it works in sb as well :)13:06
janidjszapi: like me for example ;)13:06
X-Fadedjszapi: Why would it need to work in SB?13:06
djszapibecause people package in sb ?13:07
X-Fadedjszapi: Yes, but policy is only for installing/running?13:07
djszapiso if your refhashlist and others do not know about such policies, it will fail ?13:07
X-Fadedjszapi: refhaslist takes top of the tree, right?13:07
djszapiI meant to say that, I always test my app locally anyway.13:08
X-Fadedjszapi: Our root is also
djszapiwell, refhashlist cannot contain these things if there is no such a package for installation, right ;)13:08
X-Fadedjszapi: Ovi packages only have in them?13:08
jonnipackage is available in N9, its just not in SB repoes13:09
X-FadeOnly for arm perhaps.13:09
djszapiI use arm at least.13:09
jonniits not in sb arm repo either13:09
djszapithat is what I experience, yes.13:09
X-FadeNokia apps != sdk repo13:10
djszapiso I now have a partially "broken" scratchbox policy system :)13:10
X-Fadedjszapi: Can you paste your sb sources list somewhere?13:10
djszapiX-Fade: I would not like to add anything manually.13:11
djszapiit should be available by default after an update as far as others are.13:11
djszapiso if it is available in a custom repository: 1) Either, it is a wrong place 2) I need to understand why it cannot be there where the others are.13:13
X-Fadedjszapi: Why don't you just answer my question :)13:13
djszapibecause I would not like to give out internal information.13:17
djszapican anyone answer that question with public sb target ? ^13:18
X-Fadedjszapi: How about you test with a released product ;)13:18
djszapiI think you know it is more work than needed (to maintain two separate targets properly).13:18
djszapithe other question is that whether or not it is documented somewhere ;)13:20
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djszapiX-Fade: can you a give a link for this policy package ?13:22
ZogG_laptopdoes anyone used cache in qml?13:36
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gricache in qml?13:40
ZogG_laptopgri: i have gridview13:44
jonnimaybe wanting to use cache to make animations faster. but in reality in N9 using cache usually doesnt help.13:44
ZogG_laptopwhere images are the urls13:44
ZogG_laptopso every scroll they are redownloading13:44
griZogG_laptop: you mean cacheBuffer?13:45
ZogG_laptop i want those pictures to be downloaded once13:46
griI use cacheBuffer in ListViews and it works as expected13:46
ZogG_laptopi can do it manually with sme diir, but  i want to know if there is built in qml option13:46
* gri doesn't understand what you are asking13:47
ZogG_laptopgri: gridview has cache and cacheonChanged13:47
djszapiX-Fade: ok, I think I now understand the process of this.13:48
griZogG_laptop: I only have cacheBuffer but still miss the question?13:48
X-Fadedjszapi: I requested for addition to sdk too.13:48
ZogG_laptopoh i has cachebuffer =) didn't compete it =\13:48
X-FadeBut you are right, it is not in there yet.13:49
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jussiWhere can I get source for harmattan?13:55
jussiand is there any images for pandaboard? Id like to have a play... :D13:56
SpeedEvilHarmattan has large slices of binary apps.13:56
SpeedEvilYou can't install it on non-nokia hardware. (legally)13:56
djszapiX-Fade: Nokia could give out all the credentials for the community policy.13:57
alteregoLook in to Mer/Nemo13:57
X-Fadedjszapi: We have the exact same as ovi.13:57
jussialterego: right :)13:57
djszapiX-Fade: yes, but that is not enough for a community repository.13:58
X-Fadedjszapi: Well, it is a first step.13:58
X-Fadedjszapi: Already took a lot of energy.13:58
djszapithat is why we should not double the energy putting into it :)13:58
djszapijust ask once ;)13:58
ZogG_laptopgri: thanks it helped. now the question is how i add items one by one so it wouldn't try to download all images in once13:59
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griZogG_laptop: It doesn't load all images at once. The underlying classes only load a certain number of images at the same time14:00
ZogG_laptopgri: that's the problem, it download only few pics14:00
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griWell, then wait until the screen has stopped flicking and set the source address by code for 5 items, listen for "status" change Ready,Loading,Error and if one changes to Ready or Error, give the source url to the next item14:02
gri(stupid approach but might work)14:02
ZogG_laptopgri QNetworkReplyImpl::_q_startOperation was called more than once14:06
griZogG_laptop: ignore that14:06
ZogG_laptopfile:///opt/imgrup/qml/imgrup/Gallery.qml:127:13: QML Image: Connection closed14:06
ZogG_laptopi got a lot o those14:06
ZogG_laptopif i can first one, second one leads me to undownloaded images14:07
grido you have something to reproduce it for me?14:07
ZogG_laptopyou mean you want to try on code?14:08
ZogG_laptopgri: while data for instance "curl"14:11
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jonniatleast that cachebuffer value holds 0 delegates in memory as its too low14:24
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ZogG_laptopjonni: i thought it's 0 or 1 =)14:28
djszapi -> is the "unpatched openmode kernel" also open ? Why is there a "disable-aegis" patch ? What is available as "open" without that patch ?14:28
ZogG_laptopjonni: what do you think should be number14:28
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jonniZogG_laptop: height of the delegate, ie 160, holds one line, 320 holds 2 extra images14:29
griZogG_laptop: With a little modifying your code works for me, it must be your data loading14:30
ZogG_laptopgri: it does work for me too, but they load slow and scrolling down and back - shows no images14:31
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griwell, the scrolling is your cacheBuffer that must be bigger14:31
grithe slow loading is their server14:31
jonniZogG_laptop: and migh want to consider using Loader insie the delegate if you want faste scrolling14:32
ZogG_laptopok comp it loads fast14:32
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jonniinside, faster, even, losing keys :)14:32
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griZogG_laptop: can't you load smaller images?14:36
griyou load images in their original size and scale them down in the list: 960px × 720px14:36
grithat's why loading is so slow14:36
ZogG_laptopgri found the solution =)14:40
ZogG_laptopthey have thumbnails pictures14:40
ZogG_laptopjonni: can you give me an example of code with loader?14:40
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jonniZogG_laptop: hmm, dont know if I have good urls, but quick google search gives
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X-Fadejani: You need to build against harmattan.14:52
janiX-Fade: Indeed :D14:56
janibut like i said, all the time i've tried to get familiar with obs, i've failed miserably.14:57
X-FadeWant me to add it?14:57
janiyes :D14:57
X-Fadejani: Add repository, advanced, type in harmattan, select MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan, tick armv7el14:58
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hhartzhas anyone experienced processes still being alive after closing in recents view on N9?14:59
janihhartz: depending on the app, yes ..15:00
hhartzjani: do you know what might be causing it, or can you suggest a strategy to debug the root cause? in my case the app should be closed down fully15:01
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janisome apps are "pre-started" and the main process wont die .. but if you have your own application which doesnt utilize applauncher then it might be a different story..15:01
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hhartzjani: probably not, it's launched using invoker.. it is using booster libs and it happens in a corner case15:04
hhartzjani: I'm a bit of a linux noob - but is there a way to see which files a process has open?15:04
phakohhartz: usually lsof or fuser. No idea if that's available on the device15:05
hhartzphako: excellent, lsof is there15:06
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X-Fadejani: it complains that arch is empty?15:09
auenfhmm, should be able to use a symlink or hard link on /opt/ to increase app storage space?15:09
janiyeah, i was just wondering what causes that .. does that refer to debian/control:Architecture ?15:11
X-Fadejani: I wonder, I have not seen that before.15:14
X-FadeLet me get some lunch and ponder about that :)15:14
janiwell, there's a kernel panic in the build log :D15:15
X-Fadeyeah, but that is 'normal' :)15:15
djszapiwhy is it normal ?15:16
X-Fadeqemu issue15:16
djszapiand it cannot be workarounded, I guess ?15:17
X-FadeIt does not matter, only creates ugly log.15:17
X-FadeBut no qemu version I tried fixed it.15:17
djszapithat scares off certain people internally while asking for help, actually.15:17
djszapihence asking.15:17
X-FadeOne on the massive todo list ;)15:18
djszapiX-Fade: do you go to Brussels for FOSDEM ?15:19
X-Fadedjszapi: yes15:19
janiwhat version of qemu there is ?15:19
janii was sort of interested on fosdem too . dunno if its too late for me to get funding from company at this time..  puppet and mobile stuff would be interesting.15:20
X-Fadelunch, brb15:22
djszapiX-Fade: I am not sure I will go there, but I will make a shorter trip in case of yes, with Ultrecht, Eindhoven, Amsterdam involved :)15:22
janiX-Fade: i might have a clue now what it fails.. emphasis on the word might ..15:33
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janiwasnt it.15:39
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: how i make page scrolabble so i can see whole image16:21
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djszapiZogG_laptop: Flickable element ? I am unsure, but I would go into that direction.16:37
djszapiif it is not a default set of the page components.16:38
djszapibut flicking is different to scrolling in a way.16:38
djszapiand I would expect scrolling as a default feature in a list and so on for instance.16:39
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djszapi -> There is actually an image example right away here.16:40
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: tried that16:55
ZogG_laptopimage i not even moving16:56
hiemanshuZogG_laptop: did you set the contentwidth and contentheight correctly?17:01
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ZogG_laptophiemanshu: should i set it to parent.width ?17:55
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hiemanshuZogG_laptop: it has to be the width of the image18:13
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Tujuhoh, got n950 opened and found a battery inside, not the same size/model like in e71 but appears to charge in it anyway :-]18:28
Tujumaybe i finally get it flashed now18:28
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ZogG_laptophiemanshu: i just can move picture now18:32
ZogG_laptopbut i can't scroll18:32
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xmlich02hi, can one help with icon generator?
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ajalkaneZogG_laptop: use clip: true18:46
netadminI using Nokia N900 and I re-install Maemo os.18:47
netadminwhere is the maemo flasher 3.5 debian package?18:47
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chris__hello, I'm developing for N9, how to start an app at boot?18:50
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faenilhi, GUYS18:55
faenilnot flashing? :)18:56
befordno, wrong channel ;C18:56
merlin1991netadmin: head over to #maemo18:57
netadminokay thank you18:57
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chris__upstart start apps/mydaemon command doesnt work?19:08
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djszapihi faenil :)19:12
faenilhey djszapi :)19:12
Tujuwhere i can find the latest mer?19:12
faenilneed to talk to you :D19:12
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Tujuwhich firmware is the one that runs qt on n950?19:18
Tujui'm confused19:18
faenilall of them?19:19
Tujuharmattan, meego, mer, nemo, whatelse?19:19
Tujumer home page has some html5/JS comments, not sure is that native qt at all?19:19
faenilOfficial firmware is harmattan, and latest fw has Qt 4.7.419:19
Tujuokay... are those flasher images somehwere in the net?19:20
chris__help, I get Failed to upload package: Failure19:20
chris__cant upload to device19:20
faenilcommunity firmware is based on Mer core and uses Nemo UX, and I'm not sure if it's already using 4.819:20
chris__device connection test is passed19:20
Tujufaenil: what is the thing everyone is using now? i'd prefer rpm based system.19:21
faenilharmattan uses .deb19:21
Tujuare those rpm based ones usable yet?19:21
faenilnemo should be based on rpm19:22
Tujumy device is bricked now so i guess anything would do...19:22
faenilit's got many issues19:22
faenilit's usable19:23
faenilbut probably not as a daily phone yet19:23
Tujuhmm...maybe i should try that nemo...19:23
Tujui know nuting about .deb19:23
faenilfor example last release (which was today) has some problems with the keyboard19:23
faenilTuju: ask on #nemomobile19:23
Tujuwhich flasher i'm supposed to use? flasher binary or that oneclickthingy?19:23
RST38hN9s in Nokia Store offer to upgrade to 40.x firmware19:24
Tujufaenil: just joined to neomobile...19:24
Tujufaenil: ack19:26
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chris__halp, postinst doesnt start my app19:30
faenilTuju: you can ask what you need in nemomobile, don't feel ashamed ;)19:32
Tuju:)   actually i got things going at this end already...19:33
Tujunext thing is to fry that moslo in19:33
Tujui'm just wondering do i have enough juice it that batt already19:33
Tujun950 wasn't able to charge it anymore once i bricked it19:34
Tujuand finding a torax screwdriver that would fit into those screws was really pita19:34
Tujulocal shop had something that i got it opened, and ordered a set of those for later delivery, i need to run it as cabriolet for few days19:35
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TujuFlashing kernel... Sending request 0x50 failed!19:36
TujuUnable to get error strings: Broken pipe19:36
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faeniltime to ask :)19:38
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thpdid anyone try to compile and load kernel modules in harmattan? does it even work with aegis? i'd like to have joydev.ko19:48
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ajalkanethp: AFAIK loading kernel modules does not work without open mode kernel20:11
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jonniajalkane: it does work if you use the exploit in secure mode.20:20
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jonnibut by default only whitelisted kernelmodules are allowed in secure mode.20:22
ajalkanejonni: is this exploit guaranteed to be supported in up-coming firmwares? :)20:22
jonniajalkane: exploit is fixed in upcoming firmwares, but if you apply the hole in pr1.0 or or pr1.1, and ota update to next version, then you still have the support. But if you need to ./flasher the device, then no.20:24
ajalkanejonni: thanks, interesting20:25
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thpjonni: but nobody stops you from downgrading to pr1.1, install the exploit and then upgrade to pr1.2?20:57
jonnithp: firmware downgrade is not possible20:57
jonni(if you dont have R&D cert)20:58
Tujuany idea why rootfs fails on n950 ?21:02
jonniTuju: lots of reasons can do that, corrupted .bin file, batterylevel too low, trying to downgrade etc.21:05
jonniTuju: hardware error etc21:05
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Tujusounds fatal.21:06
jonniTuju: or bad usb cable, bad usb port etc21:07
Tujuthat device is quite unused and it used to work just fine before i did the OTA upgrade.21:07
Tujujonni: i'm doing it through desktop display.21:07
Tujumaybe i should plug directly into computer.21:07
jonniTuju: usually redownloading the installer, changing cable or usb port, or charging to 100% might help.21:07
jonniyeah most likely it will fail if you try through usb hub21:08
Tujusounds like i'm not alone with this problem. :)21:08
jonniuser error (tm) :)21:12
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Piruhmm. any ideas how to force N9 to refresh image/music etc galleries?21:22
PiruI copied some old backup images back to the phone and it only "sees" the new photos21:22
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Piruah lets try resetting the trackers database21:29
Tujujonni: now it failed when conntected directly to desktop machine21:30
jonniTuju: tuju whats the command that you used (that was missing in your paste)21:30
Tujujust: ./Linux_OCF_39-5_RM680-RM680-OEM1.bin21:31
jonniah, and your old version was 39-5 too?21:31
Tujui've no idea21:31
jonniand you removed devicelock before flashing?21:32
Pirutracker-control -r I guess21:32
Tujujonni: can't do anything to it once it got bricked with OTA upgrade.21:33
jonniTuju: ah ok, so you have older version before, and then ota updated, and now trying with flasher21:33
faenilToju: you said you were on 22-621:33
Tujucould not even charge it. I had to remove batt and charge it in e71 before it even started.21:34
Tujufaenil: no i didn't :)21:34
jonniTuju: then its mostlikely the usb cable, or usb1 vs usb2 port21:34
faenilmaybe I read it from one of the logs you posted21:34
Piruokay. lets see what happens21:34
Tujujonni: it was the n950 shipped release, OTA upgraded and now trying to oneclickthingy21:34
faenilif I were you, I'd try flashing with 34 fw21:34
PiruUpdating library21:35
Piruyay :)21:35
Tujuso 39-5 is the latest?21:35
jonniyep 39-5 is latest21:35
ieatlinti'm running 53-2 actually21:35
ieatlintadds all sorts of awesome features21:35
Tujuand assuming that when it doesn't ask anything, i need to use flasher tool to flash 34?21:36
faenilieatlint: I never got how that works21:36
faenilyou need a special device to test internal firmwares?21:36
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ajalkaneI hope that 53-2 has Silverlight support so that we can at last target both Lumia and N9 with single code base.21:36
faenilTuju: you need to look for 34 oneclickflasher21:36
faenilanother 500+mb package21:37
ieatlintfaenil: depends21:37
ieatlintfor true internal images, yes21:37
jonniieatlint: and if you happen to talk about coming features in public, it gets you fired :)21:37
Piruso if anyone needs to force harmattan to rescan all media libraries this appears to help (as root): tracker-control -r && tracker-control -s  ... okay slighty evil as this will zap all the existing db.. if someone has better "softer" ways to do it, please chime in21:37
ieatlintbut there are also "internal" images made for distribution to 3rd parties/partners21:37
Tujufaenil: where those are located?21:37
Piruobviously the phone will churn at 100% cpu load for quite a while now21:37
ajalkanefaenil: Offtopic: what application you use on Lumia 800 for gTalk?21:38
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ieatlintjonni: not necessarily21:38
faenilajalkane: I heard there is Flory...haven't tried it yet21:38
ieatlintthe next version adds gtk, which i was surprised about21:38
faenilTuju: you need to look for it :)21:38
ieatlintbut the widgets aren't stylized.. so it just looks wrong21:38
faenilTuju: Nokia doesn't keep older versions on their website21:39
ajalkanefaenil: I've tried Gchat+, but it doesn't seem to work too well. Not interested to buy anything, but it's essential for me to try the phone.21:39
faenilflory is free21:39
Tujufaenil: i'm not surprised.21:39
ajalkanefaenil: ok thanks, I'll give it a spin21:39
faenilI'm downloading it too :)21:40
ajalkaneExcept I can't find any application named flory from market place. Okay enough off-topic.21:40
faenilexactly, me neither :(21:40
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Tujufaenil: it would help to know the actual file name, do you happen to have it around somewhere?21:42
faenilajalkane: seems like its devs have stopped working on it...
faenilend of OT21:42
faenilTuju: gimme a sec21:43
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ajalkanefaenil: okay sucks21:47
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faenilajalkane: octrotalk21:48
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twoboxenall... my n950 does not show applications as installed any more... if i click on an application that is installed (in the store) it does show updates there.  Does anyone know how to fix this?  Nothing I tried worked, so I was going to reflash.21:56
gri"Have you tried turning it off and on again?" :D21:57
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ieatlintthat only works with production servers21:58
faenilgri: lol21:58
javispedrojonni: even if you talk about new features that are in the open development components, you get fired? :)22:07
twoboxeni don't run IIS on my phone :)22:10
jonnijavispedro: open development is open development, but one cannot comment if any of that development is or is not coming to specific pr release :)22:11
twoboxenAre you gents running the open mode kernel already/22:12
twoboxenqole always has me craving easy debian actually working now :)22:12
* javispedro notes the rather large number of git heads that match *pr_1_2* or *pr12* or ... =)22:12
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faenilI'd say we have to wait until february at least, for 1.222:13
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twoboxenis there a feature tracker somewhere for 1.2?22:15
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twoboxenWould it be possible to flash the harmattan image of the n9 onto the lumia 800?22:23
javispedroof course it is, you just need the right flasher22:25
javispedrolike this one
javispedrothen, some lamps, a bit of paper, a printer22:25
twoboxenjavispedro: lol22:25
twoboxenso you'll also need a good 12V line22:26
twoboxenlikely a torque wrench22:26
grifaenil: I thought all linux guys at nokia already left ... who is doing 1.2? :D22:26
RST38hgri: three contractors and acow22:27
twoboxenthey should change tizen course and move to oswebos22:27
twoboxeni wonder if intel is considering that22:27
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faenilgri: lol22:31
faenilgri: nah they're working :D22:31
faenilhope so xD22:31
grifaenil: I thought you don't care about harmattan anymore since you fell in love with wp7? :D22:34
faenilI have always loved wp7's UI22:34
faenilharmattan's nowhere near that smoothness22:35
faenilstill, N950/N9 is my hacking/devving/modding gadget :D22:35
faenilit's the one I play with :P22:35
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Aranel_N9Anyone else noticed that sometimes incoming SMS doesn't trigger a notification sound/vibration/even pop-up but N9 silently saves it to messages app, marked unread but doesn't notify you?22:52
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faenilSO . ANNOYING23:05
ieatlinti've not had that23:09
Aranel_N9faenil: annoying? say it to me. I've listened a half an hour lecture from my girlfriend for not answering in time to her "omgyoudidntanswerme" spam :|23:12
faenilahaha XD23:12
ieatlintsounds like you have more issues than failing to get an sms notification :P23:12
twoboxensounds like a feature to me23:13
Aranel_N9twoboxen: it would be if it dropped calls too23:13
griI don't even answer in time when I see the notification23:18
jrezniktwoboxen: +1 :)23:19
jreznikn9 <-> and my gf veer comunication is sometimes fun :) aka I sent you a message two hours ago, really? noo, ah, yes :)23:20
Aranel_N9well she has a rule set (herself), if she got the delivery report, I'm up to blame.23:22
grithat's a stupid rule23:22
ieatlintso turn off delivery reports23:22
twoboxensounds like you need an upgrade.  to the gf, not the n923:22
grimy gf knows I will reply in 1-4 hours when she gets the delivery report23:23
Aranel_N9can I? afaik she gets the delivery report if my device downloads it off the GSM network23:23
ieatlinterr, yes, i confused the "receive delivery reports" option with "send"23:23
Aranel_N9twoboxen: bug filed on my lifezilla.23:24
ieatlinti had that bug once... it was fixed in the next version though23:24
Aranel_N9gri: does she have a sister?23:25
twoboxena newer model23:25
twoboxenslimmer, too23:25
griAranel_N9: my gf? Yes, but the sister is a police officer and I don't like them :P23:25
Aranel_N9I usually have ten minutes to answer before alarms go off23:26
marsjehow hard is it to make an app to automatically repsonds to an sms from your gf?23:26
faenilgri: when you have time, pm :)23:26
ieatlintmarsje: shouldn't be too hard i think23:27
marsjeso you can say: I love you so much I responded in 52 milliseconds23:27
ieatlintyes, because feeding that particular beast is a good idea23:27
Aranel_N9well question is, how hard would be to notice it for her23:27
Aranel_N9maybe a chatbot? :|23:28
marsjeyeah, this way you are both happy23:29
marsjebut then soon she will require spontaneous smss from you23:29
ieatlintsounds like you've got a great "codependent sms" app to write23:30
marsjethe only thing I miss is a gf23:31
marsjebut the demand for the app will be so great, that I will be rich and women would be lining up23:31
Aranel_N9I'd pay without hesitation23:31
ieatlintyes, money is a great way to attract women that you want to date23:32
Aranel_N9extra if it doesnt make random marriage proposals or stuff like that23:32
Tujuokay, now all three oneclickflashers fail, what next?23:33
ieatlinthave it check in on facebook at a jewelry store and send an sms to her with "i have something really important i want to talk about at dinner tonight"23:33
ieatlinti have the opposite relationship with my girlfriend... i use a marriage proposal as a threat, and it works every time23:34
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Aranel_N9well we're on the "give me your facebook pw or your soul" stage now, not to marriage yet.23:35
ieatlinti fear for you23:35
faenilso do I...23:36
Aranel_N9well not everyone is as lucky as you guys. I'll get her a pair of "+5 gloves of deep understanding" or something like that on her birthday23:36
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ieatlinti'm not lucky, just have other issues23:37
ieatlintenough issues that my friends have warned me -- without joking, that they would hold an intervention if i ever seriously considered marrying her23:37
Aranel_N9or I'll get myself a dumbphone to answer her messages all day, like a highschool boy23:37
Aranel_N9yay got another sms now, it's so long I have to swipe to read o.O23:39
Aranel_N9I'll just paste this channel log to harmattan-bugs, I am sure they'll understand and fix it asap.23:40
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twoboxenI had a lot of shitty gfs before I met my wife23:43
twoboxenJust find someone that lets you be you.  If she doesn't, you have a rough life ahead23:43
faenilis anyone here iOS programmer?23:44
faenilneed to ask one thing :D23:44
faenilI'm porting from iOS to Qt23:45
faenilok, when you have UIRotationGestureRecognizer, and you ask for locationInView23:45
faenilwhich location does it retunr?23:45
faenilcentre? first finger? second finger?23:45
twoboxenany time you deal with touches it will be a collection you can query23:46
twoboxenhowever, you're dealing with gestures23:46
faenil2 fingers23:46
twoboxendepends on the gesture, but yeah :)23:46
faenillocationInView returns one point23:46
faenilwhich one?..23:46
twoboxenso normally it'd dependent... probably the average23:46
twoboxenwhich would be the effective spot of the gesture movement23:46
twoboxeneasy to test23:47
faenilwell ok I guess the centre, but wanted to know if anyone could confirm that23:47
twoboxenjust draw a circle in the view at that point23:47
faenileasy to test if you have mac and iphone :)23:47
twoboxenone second23:47
faenilthanks :D23:47
twoboxenas i suspected: "You may determine the location where a swipe began by calling the UIGestureRecognizer methods locationInView: and locationOfTouch:inView:. The former method gives you the centroid if more than one touch was involved in the gesture; the latter gives the location of a particular touch."23:49
faenilgood, so Qt's centre :)23:50
faenilthanks :)23:50
faenilwhere did you read that anyway?23:50
faenilI may need more info :D23:50
faenilon the swipe gesture...23:51
twoboxenit's the same uigesturerecognizer you are querying23:51
twoboxenit's just a different resultant event emitted23:51
faenilyeah I know23:51
faenilI looked in UIRotationGestureRecognizer23:51
twoboxenyeah, lackluster docs23:52
twoboxenI yearn for the open kernel on this device23:53
twoboxennot an aegis fan :(23:54
nibblerwell, who is.23:56
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