| DocScrutinizer | wirwe: there are alsi subdirs like /usr/share/applications/hildon/ where a second *.desktop could exist | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also* | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | wirwe: grep -r "<yourIconFileName>.png" /usr/share/applications | 00:05 |
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| wirwe | DocScrutinizer: Moving the .desktop-file removes both icons, in /home/user/, /home/user/.local/, /usr/local are no .desktop files. it isn't in the subdirs. and grep -r […] gave no results. *sigh* | 00:41 |
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| pawky | DocScrutinizer: Has anybody succeeded to succesfully install browser root certs in openmode yet? | 00:52 |
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| wirwe | i found a solution: it is the name that seems to confuse… i don't unterstand why, but the following works: the file is called `camera-ui.desktop`. renaming it to `cam.desktop` removes only one icon on the homescreen although renaming it for example to `cam.des` removes both icons of course. | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | pawky: I don't know. | 01:29 |
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| Venemo_Lumia | Hey | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~poettering | 01:57 |
| infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' | 01:57 |
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| javispedro | why there are not cyan 64 GiB N9s =) | 02:11 |
| arekinath | because cyan is too awesome | 02:12 |
| arekinath | (I have no idea) | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably 64GB selling less than 16GB, and cyan selling less than black | 02:14 |
| JackaLX | When I bought my N9 they said cyan 64Gb would be available at the end of the year (2011) I guess it didn't happen :-( | 02:14 |
| arekinath | market segmentation... the goal isn't to make the perfect product, it's to make the set of products that in aggregate sells the best | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | or they got no firmware for the 64GB cyan XP | 02:15 |
| javispedro | they used a signed char for the variant field | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | "unexpected problems" | 02:15 |
| javispedro | and the 64GiB cyan was num 128 :) | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehehe | 02:15 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: the firmware has to comprehend for the missing colour absorption of the cyan case, but it can't when there is 64 gb of mem to keep safe ;) | 02:16 |
| javispedro | on most youtube N9 videos I get ads for the hooker800. | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I honestly would pay a beer for anybody plausibly explaining that Nokia ever did firmware versions that were *really* tailored to the case color | 02:17 |
| merlin1991 | maybe they do have a slightly different colour set in the menus and os on | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I already suspected that | 02:18 |
| merlin1991 | according to some silly stats about appealing colour combinations | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but nobody showed me a color-natched firmware yet | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | on *any* Nokia | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | matched* | 02:18 |
| javispedro | actually the cyan 16 GiB is in truth a black 64GiB, but 48GiB are filled with the binary for a hyper advanced algorithm that causes the case to change color | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | micro DLP creating interference color filters | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | like with insects | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | butterflies | 02:19 |
| merlin1991 | I like javispedros explanation | 02:19 |
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| Tronic | White 64 GB is quite cool though. | 02:32 |
| JackaLX | call me old fashioned but I think black is the best colour | 02:33 |
| merlin1991 | :nod: | 02:33 |
| JackaLX | but that may be because I have a black N9 | 02:33 |
| merlin1991 | any colour is good, as long as it is black | 02:34 |
| JackaLX | :-) | 02:34 |
| ieatlint | i like that there's a choice at least | 02:34 |
| ieatlint | i found it interesting that all the n9s handed out in munich dev days were blue, and all handed out in sf dev days were black | 02:35 |
| javispedro | waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah | 02:36 |
| javispedro | I want a N9 :'( | 02:37 |
| ieatlint | how about a lumia 800 instead? | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | WUT? | 02:38 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: I _already_ have the lumia | 02:38 |
| ieatlint | congrats! | 02:38 |
| Tronic | ieatlint: What is that good for? | 02:38 |
| ieatlint | (it's surprising i don't get punched more often) | 02:38 |
| javispedro | I'd say "my commiserations" instead of congrats, but that's another story. | 02:39 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i played with mine a bit... really depressing | 02:39 |
| Tronic | So close but so far away... If only could I Flash Harmattan onto the Lumia 800. | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what good for is a N9? | 02:39 |
| ieatlint | i'll give the search app some credit, but that's the only thing remotely "nice" | 02:39 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: search app? you mean... bing? | 02:40 |
| javispedro | are you giving bing credit and calling it nice? | 02:40 |
| Tronic | DocScrutinizer51: I might actually prefer that over N950, if not for the "developer only device" coolness factor. | 02:40 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: say what you will, but the voice recognition worked pretty well for me, and the camera-based stuff wasn't bad at all | 02:40 |
| javispedro | ?? | 02:41 |
| ieatlint | it read barcodes faster than meescan for instance, and i didn't have terrible luck with the OCR support | 02:41 |
| javispedro | camera stuff only recognizes qr codes here | 02:41 |
| Tronic | All open source barcode recognition programs that I have seen have been horribly bad. | 02:41 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: US locale? | 02:41 |
| ieatlint | uh, well for me it can identify some objects (like hold a book cover in front of it) | 02:41 |
| Tronic | I guess they are all based on the same libs. | 02:41 |
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| ieatlint | and it can do OCR on uniformly printed text | 02:41 |
| ieatlint | and yeah, US locale, but the same firmware as all of you | 02:42 |
| ieatlint | i just clicked US on first boot (and then stared in surprise that it immediately had to reboot in order to apply that change) | 02:42 |
| Tronic | I think that Shazam is not available when using Finnish locale and that my credit card payments get rejected when using the UK locale. | 02:42 |
| ieatlint | oh, yeah, it also had the built in song recognition thing | 02:43 |
| Tronic | It would have been interesting to try that app but apparently they don't want me to buy it. | 02:43 |
| ieatlint | it's wp7 and bing, but i can't deny that small aspect was decent | 02:43 |
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| javispedro | I guess it's something like the google goggles | 02:48 |
| ieatlint | pretty much | 02:48 |
| javispedro | they are quite impressive stuff, but I do have to wonder their usefulness | 02:48 |
| javispedro | specially if they require connectivity... | 02:48 |
| Tronic | ieatlint: Where did you find speech recognition or song recognition? | 02:48 |
| ieatlint | but they threw in the google voice search and shazaam | 02:48 |
| ieatlint | Tronic: from the home screen, press the search button | 02:49 |
| ieatlint | then there are icons for each | 02:49 |
| javispedro | actually, from any screen | 02:49 |
| javispedro | the search button will launch bing no matter where you are | 02:49 |
| javispedro | a decision I can bet the reasoning behind it :) | 02:49 |
| ieatlint | yeah, wasn't sure on that, hadn't used the phone enough to get the behaviour that well down | 02:49 |
| ieatlint | and yeah, should submit a support request asking why google isn't available | 02:50 |
| ieatlint | :P | 02:50 |
| Tronic | Barcode scanning doesn't seem to do UPC. | 02:50 |
| javispedro | on mine at least it says | 02:51 |
| javispedro | "Point to a QR-code or a MS tag" | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | a wut? | 02:51 |
| ieatlint | mine says 1d or 2d barcode, an object like a book or dvd (although it recognize a handful of other things) | 02:52 |
| javispedro | hey it works | 02:52 |
| Tronic | javispedro: Same here but I was hoping that it would also do other types of barcodes (at the very least other types of 2d barcodes). | 02:52 |
| ieatlint | and if there is text on the screen, a button appears that says "scan text" | 02:52 |
| javispedro | there's a button for OCR on the bottom :) | 02:52 |
| javispedro | oh, that might explain why it was not there previously :) | 02:52 |
| ieatlint | the OCR is kinda half-assed admittedly | 02:53 |
| javispedro | I pointed it to this window and it translated DocScrutinizer's previous message as "Doctor Scrutinizer: ¿un wut?" (a wut? as in "one wut?") | 02:53 |
| ieatlint | but the search app thing as a whole is the most interesting part of the phone | 02:53 |
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| javispedro | not bad | 02:54 |
| javispedro | but I was more impressed with the google thing =) | 02:55 |
| ieatlint | it couldn't be all crap :P | 02:55 |
| javispedro | still, totally useless | 02:55 |
| ieatlint | yeah, exactly | 02:55 |
| javispedro | though I'd die for working, accurate, local voice recognition. | 02:55 |
| ieatlint | everyone said "wow, that's awesome", but it was never practical | 02:55 |
| ieatlint | that's not happening anytime soon | 02:55 |
| Tronic | Is the microphone listening option supposed to detect songs? | 02:56 |
| Tronic | Tried britney spears and metallica with no success. | 02:56 |
| ieatlint | no, the microphone is speech | 02:56 |
| ieatlint | there should be a music icon | 02:56 |
| javispedro | you can also dictate in the onenote app at least | 02:56 |
| Tronic | Okay, depends on locale then, I guess. | 02:56 |
| javispedro | seems so :( | 02:56 |
| ieatlint | i have 4 icons | 02:56 |
| Tronic | I only have eye and mic. | 02:56 |
| javispedro | I only have the icon for music in Bing | 02:56 |
| javispedro | I have music and eye :) | 02:57 |
| javispedro | but I can dictate to onenote | 02:57 |
| ieatlint | "scout", which is meh; a music note icon which is the song identifier, an eye which is the google goggles knock off and a microphone for speech | 02:57 |
| javispedro | so no idea why I can't dictate to bing | 02:57 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: hold down the windows button | 02:57 |
| javispedro | that is commands, not dictation | 02:58 |
| javispedro | and it works locally btw | 02:58 |
| javispedro | but commands/navigation is much easier than dictation | 02:58 |
| ieatlint | defaults to search unless you use a command | 02:58 |
| ieatlint | heh, ok, i need to stop this before i get accused of being a plant | 02:58 |
| Tronic | Nokia had voice commands on S40 something like a decade ago. | 02:58 |
| ieatlint | plus i feel a little dirty now | 02:58 |
| javispedro | doesn't here, it says "I don't understand" | 02:58 |
| Tronic | (not quite sure if it was even S40 by then) | 02:59 |
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| javispedro | hmpf | 02:59 |
| javispedro | the onenote thing is not dictation | 02:59 |
| ieatlint | i know the bing search results were WAY too sanitized | 02:59 |
| javispedro | it just stored the voice note | 02:59 |
| Tronic | It's a good feature to have, though. | 02:59 |
| Tronic | Especially when using a handsfree. | 02:59 |
| ieatlint | i'm not wanting to search for porn, but they seemed to try and eliminate any results that could be remotely deemed sexual | 02:59 |
| ieatlint | (and at the same time, half the time when it misunderstood me, it defaulted to sexual-based searches) | 03:00 |
| Tronic | Switching to US locale didn't help. | 03:00 |
| Tronic | Still no extra buttons. | 03:00 |
| ieatlint | which i can only assume is caused by the fact that people screwing around with it are more likely to treat it like the dictionary when you're 10: looking up "dirty" words | 03:00 |
| ieatlint | (btw, the dictionary totally has words like "sex" and "butt" in it -- it's awesome) | 03:01 |
| Tronic | Bing speech recognition is quite good but it doesn't seem to understand Lumia :P | 03:04 |
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| Tronic | Text recognition is unusably bad and I didn't get detection on Bluray covers either. | 03:09 |
| javispedro | you could use Ovi Contacts from the N9? | 03:09 |
| javispedro | ah yes, sorry | 03:10 |
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| Tronic | Google's speech recognition (VoiceToGoog on N9) seems to be of equal quality. | 03:25 |
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| Tronic | I did reset all the phone settings and now the market has also a music store (previously only apps and games), and I can find Shazam again (but cannot buy it of course). | 03:38 |
| Tronic | Also Bing now has music detection. | 03:40 |
| ieatlint | that makes sense: the phone isn't available in the US, but the US market has additional features | 03:40 |
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| Tronic | Actually I used UK but US seems to have the same things. | 03:46 |
| Tronic | Finland doesn't. | 03:46 |
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| Tronic | And anyway the phone should be available in the US shortly, I guess? | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: the what? | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you mean the n9, nein | 03:47 |
| Tronic | Talking of Lumia 800 here. | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah ok | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, they launched the 710 on t-mobile but not the 800...i wouldn't get my hopes up too much | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia seems to have a knack for refusing to launch any half decent phone in the us | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then they wonder why they get no sales from the us | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, so looking at the backlog, i was assuming that aegisfs just didn't let you read stuff that was put there from closed mode - so apparently, aegisfs is completely broken in open mode, and that breaks close to everything? | 03:49 |
| ieatlint | Tronic: i wouldn't bet on it | 03:49 |
| Tronic | With US locale I also get "podcasts" on store. | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone looked into how aegisfs actually works | 03:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | and how the phone detects tampering when going from open mode to closed mode? | 03:51 |
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| merlin1991 | itsnotabigtruck: it was stated a few days ago that early in the boot process, prob by nolo, the chip that holds the aegis fs data gets notified about open or closed mode | 04:49 |
| merlin1991 | and depending on that uses another cert for data access | 04:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: ah, ok | 05:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | still, if you can screw with the filesystem and go back to closed mode, there has to be a way to subvert this | 05:10 |
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| beford | I kinda hate that qtcreator doesn't show harmattan components on the Design view | 06:43 |
| beford | :c | 06:43 |
| RST38h | MEANWHILE: HP renames its TouchSmart software Magic Canvas, plans to install it on all desktops (even non-touch ones) | 07:15 |
| beford | madness | 07:24 |
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| gabriel9 | morning | 11:55 |
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| admiral0 | hello | 12:24 |
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| dm8tbr | gnaaaah meecast screwed up the homescreen applet | 12:35 |
| dm8tbr | how do I install it manually? | 12:35 |
| kevin_b | hello | 12:37 |
| kevin_b | dm8tbr ; what is "it" ? homescreen applet? | 12:37 |
| dm8tbr | it thinks it's installed but I'm pretty sure it isn't | 12:38 |
| dm8tbr | and yes that widget | 12:39 |
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| kevin_b | sorry I feel confused by "homescreen applet" | 12:41 |
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| kevin_b | is it the app, allowing you to build some mini widget like in maemo desktop? | 12:41 |
| kevin_b | or is it the homeviews, that are screwed? | 12:42 |
| kevin_b | or is it the icons in the AppList homeview that are screwed | 12:42 |
| kevin_b | :D | 12:42 |
| auenf | the meecast homescreen applet needs to be a little wider | 12:45 |
| auenf | Cambelltown (GPS) is only visible as ambelltown (GP | 12:45 |
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| Stecchino | niwakame|away: are you publishing the extra im-providers on the ovi store? | 13:35 |
| macmaN | Jaffa: lol that twitter reply was irc-fast-like | 13:37 |
| macmaN | :) | 13:37 |
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| macmaN | jaffa: but afair, wifi-assistant was about just detecting a captive portal and then automating opening a webpage with no subsequent automation based on a per-hotspot learning process. | 13:38 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: True | 13:39 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: For the second bit you could do something like http://gitorious.org/jaffas-playground/sas which captures input fields to automate an airline's mobile check-in website | 13:40 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: First stage is to detect the captive portal and open browser window. Automating subsequent actions would be brilliant (given all the hotels I'm travelling to atm) | 13:41 |
| macmaN | yeah. although definitely the point is valid that at least wifi-assistant doesnt keep you in the dark. | 13:41 |
| macmaN | otherwise youre cursing out your fb app for not connecting when it in fact is just waiting on the captive portal. theres a serious fail here in the overall process. | 13:42 |
| macmaN | i think it might do well with a collaborative backend type thing | 13:43 |
| macmaN | to be able to share learned hotspots | 13:43 |
| macmaN | although not entirely sure how the syncing would work... i dont think i will need some african hotspots portal scripts be stored on my phone. | 13:44 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: But it'll be handful of bytes | 13:44 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: But it's the specific data; rather than the fields which need to be captured. | 13:44 |
| macmaN | but i think per-city hotspots might work | 13:44 |
| macmaN | s/hotspots/databases | 13:44 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: And then you could just store off JSON data of all the user-visible fields for replay by that user | 13:45 |
| macmaN | right. either way, i think just getting a proof of concept with no regard to storage efficiency and that other finetuning crap would be very good :> | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: Aye; happy to contribute if you get it started | 13:46 |
| macmaN | word. ill ping you in the case i get something started. | 13:49 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: Ta | 13:49 |
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| Corsac | hmh, is there a way to see changelog information for app updates? | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: No, not easily. | 15:15 |
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| X-Fade | The debian changelog of course can have some info. | 15:16 |
| Corsac | except it's not on the device | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | There is a special field that can be used in the control file, but I it is not being used afaik :) | 15:18 |
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| amppa | Corsac: i think there was a field for changes shown in the store if you're distributing there | 15:36 |
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| marsje | hey | 15:45 |
| Corsac | amppa: I'm not distributing anything, but I really would like to know what are the changes when I update apps | 15:45 |
| marsje | I flashed my n9 to PR1.1 yesterday | 15:45 |
| marsje | it worked | 15:45 |
| marsje | but now when I type devel-su in the terminal, the only thing is says is "incorrect password" | 15:45 |
| marsje | how can I reset my root password? | 15:46 |
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| Corsac | rootme | 15:47 |
| janmalte | I was wondering where the central meeting point for the n9 is. For the n900 everything was at maemo.org, but for the n9? still maemo.org? or meego.com? | 15:48 |
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| auenf | janmalte, http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/12/tedious-fragmentation-maemoorg-meegocom.html | 15:52 |
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| janmalte | thanks auenf for the interesting blog post. it is exactly was i was wondering/complain about. | 16:34 |
| janmalte | Yet an other question, where can i post a suggestion for the rss feed app on N9? | 16:35 |
| janmalte | I'm missing a feature to limit the items displayed in the feed view. | 16:35 |
| thp | janmalte: http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/ | 16:35 |
| janmalte | but don't know where i can reach the author or company to tell them about it | 16:35 |
| janmalte | thanks | 16:35 |
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| decibyte | thp, i'd also like to thank you for the blog post. guess it's what everybody is thinking. symptomatic that your own blog seems the best place to write about it :) | 16:42 |
| thp | decibyte: now that the problem is made clear, i'd like for someone to step up and solve it ;) | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | thp: Working on some things at least. | 16:45 |
| decibyte | thp, hehe. yeah! though i don't know who that someone should be. | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2012/01/apps-for-meego.html | 16:46 |
| decibyte | i mean, it's hard to go in and be a replacement what nokia did (time, money, everything) for fremantle and earlier maemoes. all respect to those who try to do _something_ | 16:47 |
| thp | X-Fade: nice, thanks :) will grab the apps testing enabler | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | thp: It is now in apps itself, makes it a bit easier. | 16:48 |
| thp | yes, i wondered how to get the testing things onto the device | 16:48 |
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| X-Fade | thp: Well there is this really big button up there ;) | 16:48 |
| thp | X-Fade: also, is it correct that when sending a push request to the apps testing repo, i have to make sure that the old version is removed? | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | thp: You push releases. So you basically everything you would upload to the autobuilder. | 16:49 |
| decibyte | X-Fade: wow, nice job! | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | thp: So that means that you either osc rm oldstuff, osc add newstuff. | 16:49 |
| rm_work | ACK | 16:49 |
| * rm_work should stop being pinged on any use of "rm" in linux related channels :P | 16:50 | |
| X-Fade | osc rm_work * :) | 16:50 |
| thp | rm_work: i got the same problem with "toothpaste" | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | lol | 16:52 |
| decibyte | is updates coming automagically to the device like for ovi apps? (as in: some sort of repo underneath?) | 16:52 |
| rm_work | lol | 16:52 |
| thp | decibyte: yep it seems like that | 16:53 |
| thp | X-Fade: and apparently it also seems like the problem with ovi install -> apps for meego upgrade has also been solved already? | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | decibyte: Yes. | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | thp: I'm still testing that. | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | But uninstall->install always works. | 16:54 |
| decibyte | yay! this is _really_ great news. you guys rock. this solves one of the biggest issues. | 16:54 |
| decibyte | (please forgive me for stating the obvious) | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | decibyte: apps is just a repo, like extras. | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | decibyte: And this just notifies you when there are updates. | 16:55 |
| decibyte | i miss extras. well... now i don't do anymore :) | 16:55 |
| decibyte | but do users have to add a repo or does the n9client do that when installed? | 16:55 |
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| X-Fade | The client adds it automatically. | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | And also pulls in the community aegis policy. | 16:56 |
| thp | X-Fade: will it be possible comment, rate and review apps from within the AFM client app? | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | So after that, you don't need to have 'allow install from unsecure sources' enabled anymore. | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | thp: Yes, that is on our todo. | 16:57 |
| decibyte | paving the way to world domination now. | 16:57 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: any ide why my app (http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Graphics/mieru/) is still stuck in testing ? it already has 6 positive testing reports and last update was published cca 14 days ago :) | 16:57 |
| M4rtinK | *idea | 16:58 |
| decibyte | who pays for this? infrastructure, etc? | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | decibyte: Nokia | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | decibyte: This is hosted next to maemo.org | 16:58 |
| decibyte | okay. they're not _all_ bad guys. | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: No, 5 positive, one negative. | 16:58 |
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| M4rtinK | ah, now I see | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: I wondered too today :) | 16:59 |
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| X-Fade | M4rtinK: But then noticed that :) | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | We even have a bot which will notify on promotion etc. | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | But someone got annoyed and banned it ;) | 17:01 |
| M4rtinK | looks like one of the testers probably forgot to tick the checkbox | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: They can edit their vote. | 17:01 |
| Corsac | ok, tracker-store really starts to piss me off | 17:01 |
| M4rtinK | yeah I wondered why I'm not getting even any emails, etc. :) | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | You should be getting emails when promotion happens. | 17:01 |
| M4rtinK | ok then, time to ping the Mieru user community :) | 17:01 |
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| sivang | hi all | 17:03 |
| sivang | is root login on ssh disabled by default? | 17:03 |
| sivang | I can devel-su, but I cannot ssh to the device with -lroot using the password I Set. | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | sivang: yes | 17:03 |
| sivang | X-Fade: okay, good | 17:03 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, if anyone is willing to test my application on their N9/50, it welly be very appreciated :) | 17:03 |
| sivang | I think this was not so before the last fw upgrade | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | sivang: Unless you have R&D certs in your device. | 17:03 |
| sivang | X-Fade: what are those? | 17:04 |
| sivang | (if I may ask, been a while since I did on device dev) | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | sivang: Nevermind ;) | 17:04 |
| janmalte | M4rtinK: i would do so, but i have some trouble about read-only mounting of my fat partition. untill this will be fixed, i can't install any app at the moment.... | 17:05 |
| sivang | X-Fade: is this the id_rsa.pub I can install through the SDK? | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | sivang: No, it is for people who work for Nokia. | 17:05 |
| M4rtinK | janmalte: well, thanks in advance :) | 17:06 |
| Corsac | ssh as root is a bad idea anyway | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | And root is not quite the root you expect also :) | 17:07 |
| jonni | sivang: http://sintonen.fi/n9_pr1.1_remote_root_ssh_login.txt but toor is bad idea anyways atleast on default paswords | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | Most things you really want to do as a user. | 17:07 |
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| sivang | Corsac: agreed | 17:12 |
| sivang | X-Fade: indeed, as test-deploy my app | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | sivang: It will only run as user, so ;) | 17:13 |
| Corsac | ok, now I can't even send and read sms | 17:13 |
| * Corsac cries | 17:13 | |
| sivang | I was actually looking to see that 1.1 disabled ssh root login | 17:13 |
| sivang | and now I'm relieved :) | 17:14 |
| sivang | thanks X-Fade | 17:14 |
| janmalte | i could use some real root too like it seems: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1145343#post1145473 | 17:14 |
| janmalte | do you have any idea what i can do except reflashing the whole device? | 17:14 |
| sivang | janmalte: what happened to it? | 17:14 |
| janmalte | i don't know .... suddenly MyDocs is mounted only readonly | 17:15 |
| janmalte | every time | 17:15 |
| marsje | PR1.1 also seems to have erased my root password | 17:15 |
| marsje | does it have a new default password maybe? | 17:15 |
| Corsac | rootme | 17:16 |
| marsje | doesn't work | 17:17 |
| marsje | don't understand what happened | 17:17 |
| marsje | I thought that yesterday it worked | 17:17 |
| marsje | maybe I made a typo changing the password or something | 17:17 |
| sivang | Corsac: rootme does not work anymore | 17:17 |
| jonni | you can use rescue kernel&initrd to reset your password back to normal | 17:17 |
| Corsac | it sure works for me | 17:17 |
| sivang | Corsac: nor is the new password I set to root using devel-su; passwd root | 17:17 |
| sivang | Corsac: ssh localhost -lroot from the device after developer login? 'user' also does not login | 17:18 |
| jonni | sivang: -lroot only works if you follow the instructions on that web page | 17:18 |
| jonni | sivang: by default only -ldeveloper works | 17:19 |
| marsje | jonni: rescue kernel&init? | 17:19 |
| jonni | marsje: same thing that you use to fix malf, instructions are on wiki | 17:20 |
| jonni | marsje: instead of fixing malf you just edit /etc/passwd | 17:20 |
| Corsac | sivang: ssh doesn't work as root, as we already told you | 17:20 |
| Corsac | sivang: use ssh as developer then devel-su | 17:21 |
| thp | X-Fade: btw, what about having something like forum.formeego.org be the forum link for harmattan and either redirect to a subforum on meego.com or TMO or ask reggie to create a simple forum in the style of apps.formeego.org and move threads from meego.com handset forum and tmo harmattan there? | 17:22 |
| marsje | jonni: do you have a link, because I'm not sure what you are talking about yet :) | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | thp: I feel that we really need some cleanup in the harmattan forum. | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | Having it at talk it probably the best solution. | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | As meego is really going away at some point. | 17:23 |
| jonni | marsje: http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state | 17:24 |
| thp | X-Fade: that "some point" being soon (<6 months)? | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | And we share a lot with maemo.org anyway (same people) | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | thp: Oh yes. | 17:24 |
| thp | X-Fade: i think quim mentioned that people new to the n9 might have a hard time associating maemo.org with the "meego harmattan" n9, so maybe we can have the forum on formeego.org somewhere | 17:24 |
| marsje | jonni: thanks! | 17:25 |
| thp | and ideally sharing the TMO infrastructure | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | thp: We should not kid ourselves. | 17:25 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: what about the forum.meego.com, meego.com accounts and COBS ? | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | thp: Basically all knowledge of maemo applies. | 17:25 |
| thp | yep, most of the n9 users really come from a maemo background anyway | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: We intend to migrate that over to maemo.org | 17:26 |
| M4rtinK | nice ! :) | 17:26 |
| thp | X-Fade: so formeego.org will be used strictly for the apps. subdomain? | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | thp: There are other things there, but like you said, we should not fragment any more. | 17:27 |
| thp | X-Fade: in that case, the simple(?) solution would be to ask reggie to shut down the meego.com handset subforum and move all threads there to TMO (which might be non-trivial, due to the different user base/usernames) | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | thp: I'd leave it there, but read only it and point to somewhere else. | 17:28 |
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| thp | X-Fade: also possible, but what happens when meego.com "disappears"? then all these useful threads will be lost. so maybe a read-only archive of all threads somewhere below formeego.org or maemo.org could do the trick? | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | thp: Well, we can back them up anyway. We have root ;) | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | thp: It is just that the site might go away at some point. | 17:30 |
| kevin_b | hey guys! | 17:30 |
| wirwe | ks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 3 voices, 167 normal] | 17:31 |
| wirwe | 16:30 -!- Channel #harmattan created Wed Jun 22 11:56:40 2011 | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | But I don't think Reggie has a lot of time to do migrations/merges. | 17:31 |
| kevin_b | Does your harmattan oftenly ask you the pass for your facebook acount | 17:31 |
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| thp | X-Fade: meego.com is owned by the linux foundation and formeego.org is owned by the maemo.org maintainers? or who owns what? | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | thp: dm8tbr owns it, maemo.org hosts it. | 17:32 |
| kevin_b | Harmattan keep prompt me for my facebook password, every hour... | 17:32 |
| kevin_b | is that normal? | 17:32 |
| X-Fade | kevin_b: yes, that is a bug. | 17:32 |
| kevin_b | ok fine wwaiting for pr 1.2 : | 17:32 |
| kevin_b | :p | 17:32 |
| jonni | normal bug in pr1.1 which is fixed in future pr release | 17:32 |
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| X-Fade | M4rtinK: You should get mail. | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: meiru just got the last vote. | 17:36 |
| thp | X-Fade: the reason why i would like to have the meego.com forum things moved to maemo.org/formeego.org is that when meego.com goes away, all links will break, so the earlier we move it, the more time we have to update links, etc.. | 17:37 |
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| X-Fade | thp: Yeah, I get that. Problem is that migrating userbases is alway a major pain. | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | thp: And I don't think Reggie has a lot of time. | 17:40 |
| thp | yep, sure. just wanted to get that idea out there ;) | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | We could copy over some interesting info though. | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | I don't know how much good info is in there. | 17:42 |
| thp | X-Fade: heuristic: sort by view count, descending and take the upper 20%? | 17:43 |
| * merlin1991 is more concerned if apps formeego will ever get a dependency system | 17:43 | |
| X-Fade | merlin1991: read my blogpost :) | 17:43 |
| merlin1991 | link please | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2012/01/apps-for-meego.html | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | At the end. | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | But I will post some more info on the wiki hopefully this week. | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | I have been testing with that. | 17:44 |
| merlin1991 | that looks promising | 17:44 |
| * merlin1991 shares thp latest rant about an extras equivalent on harmattan :D | 17:44 | |
| thp | X-Fade: btw, at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Submit there it says "MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing" for 'to target project', but in the section "What happens next" it says "MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Testing" - is that correct or should the second one also be MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing? | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | thp: Ouch, that is a typo. | 17:45 |
| thp | anyway, i'm off for now. talk to you guys later :) | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | thp: Ok, later! | 17:46 |
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| M4rtinK | X-Fade: I haven't received any mail, but Mieru seems to have made it to the main repo just fine :) | 17:50 |
| M4rtinK | I even see it in the Apps client | 17:50 |
| M4rtinK | already | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: Hmm ok, need to check because I got the mail 15 mins ago. | 17:52 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: should it go to the email address registered on meego.com ? | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: Yes. | 17:55 |
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| M4rtinK | nothing, even in the spam folder (it's a gmail address) | 17:56 |
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| M4rtinK | X-Fade: also, the icon in the category view is missing: http://apps.formeego.org/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Graphics/ | 17:58 |
| M4rtinK | and the Apps installer shows a white question mark on blue background instead of the icon :) | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: Yeah, it seems the icon sometimes doesn't get imported correctly. We are debugging that. | 18:00 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: ok :) | 18:01 |
| Corsac | does someone know if there's a way to cleanup the tracker database? | 18:07 |
| phako | Corsac: define clean up | 18:08 |
| Corsac | it seems that it still has data for stuff I removed | 18:08 |
| Corsac | (I'm investigating the reasons for #574) | 18:08 |
| phako | oh, stale resources, like artists for music you deleted? | 18:08 |
| Corsac | something like that | 18:08 |
| Corsac | though in this case it's more about .qmf and qmf.bak folders | 18:09 |
| Corsac | (with quite a bunch of emails) | 18:09 |
| Corsac | the meta.db is around 118M here | 18:09 |
| phako | Corsac: which bug tracker is that ;) | 18:09 |
| Corsac | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=574 | 18:09 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 574 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, NEW, tracker-store stuck at full CPU and tracker-miner-fs stuck at 1-2% | 18:09 |
| janmalte | M4rtinK: Fixed my problems :) But it seems you already found some to give you a positive review ;) | 18:09 |
| phako | Corsac: btw, soft-reset == hard-reset on harmattan | 18:12 |
| Corsac | ok | 18:12 |
| Corsac | and what's it's supposed to do? | 18:12 |
| phako | kill everything in db | 18:12 |
| phako | soft-reset trys to replay the journal but that doesn't exist on Harmattan | 18:13 |
| Corsac | well, here it didn't do anything, it seems | 18:13 |
| Corsac | (though in any case I'd prefer not loosing the real data there, like sms and contacts) | 18:13 |
| Corsac | (as it seems they're kept there) | 18:13 |
| phako | yes | 18:14 |
| Corsac | so any idea? | 18:15 |
| phako | for that particular bug? no, also not for a generic clean-up | 18:15 |
| phako | what's qmf, btw? | 18:15 |
| phako | Corsac: other than popping by in the upstream #tracker channel in gimpnet | 18:17 |
| Corsac | mails are store in .qmf apparently | 18:17 |
| Corsac | stored* | 18:17 |
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| Corsac | I'm puzzled on why I still have stuff on old data there | 18:18 |
| M4rtinK | janmalte: thanks anyway :) I guess that once I do an update a new round of testing will be needed, so your time might still come :) | 18:20 |
| Corsac | phako: and I assume it's not possible either to only backup SMSes? | 18:21 |
| phako | Corsac: uh, no idea. you can extract them from tracker somehow but I don't know the magic sparql incantation | 18:22 |
| Corsac | well, the problem with magic too is that importing them back might be impossible either | 18:22 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: are some AFM usage statistics planed ? something like the Maemo download counters or this unofficial tool for Fremantle: http://maemo.dadablog.net/AppStats.php?package=&os=fremantle | 18:23 |
| M4rtinK | might not be that important, just nice to have :) | 18:25 |
| Corsac | (and I'm puzzled by the fact *data* is stored in the tracker, I would have imagined data would be stored something safe and only indexing data would be stored in the tracker) | 18:25 |
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| faenil | hi everyone :) | 18:45 |
| kevin_b | hey guys, playing with QGLView from Qt3D | 18:47 |
| kevin_b | I see some borders in full screen, any experienced that? | 18:48 |
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| kevin_b | like that : http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/3885/20120104175938.png | 19:04 |
| kevin_b | though it s not really noticeable with white background | 19:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so i just noticed all the MSSF stuff (i.e. aegis) is open source | 19:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone tried making a special aegis that neutralizes the nonsense? | 19:10 |
| dm8tbr | no shit sherlock. it's called open mode kernel | 19:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: i thought with the open mode kernel half the system is dead precisely because aegis is broken | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | everybody was talking about that just the other day | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there was a list on the meego forums that included the MMS app, nokia maps, facebook, the certificate manager, and some other things | 19:14 |
| dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: as aegis hooks into the high-security _hardware_ you can not roll your own. that's the whole idea. | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, but if the programs don't need to read old stuff off aegisfs, then it ought to be possible to hack up aegis-crypto to not actually use high security hardware on the backend | 19:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that ought to be sufficient for e.g. certmgr stashing certificates and things like that | 19:15 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | of course that won't get any secrets locked inside, out | 19:18 |
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| kevin_b | no one can help? | 19:38 |
| kevin_b | how could I disable those dirty borders from my QGV | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | kevin_b: no but note that the borders are invisible if you just view the image in a browser | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so that might not be helping to make the problem be obvious | 19:39 |
| kevin_b | yes it s no really visible on white background, but it is there 1-2px on my harmattan device | 19:39 |
| kevin_b | tryied many things like, disabling meego style, playing with windowFlags, and widget's QQSize before full screen | 19:40 |
| kevin_b | I see the Space Block Qt example from Nokia dev corner | 19:40 |
| kevin_b | it uses a QGLView too and so far I dont see the difference in the code | 19:41 |
| kevin_b | though it perfectly fit screen without borders | 19:41 |
| kevin_b | confused me | 19:41 |
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| amppa | according to store qa, projects.developer.nokia.com is not acceptable as a support site | 20:47 |
| amppa | any suggestions for a good alternative? | 20:47 |
| ajalkane | i used github's web thingy, passed | 20:48 |
| ajalkane | kinda funny they don't accept their own hosted site | 20:49 |
| amppa | yeah, it is, plus i've seen project that uses it for support | 20:50 |
| amppa | that's how i thought about it in the first place | 20:50 |
| amppa | but thanks, i think i already even have an account at github, i'll check it | 20:50 |
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| niwakame | So....belated happy new year wishes to everyone :) | 20:56 |
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| pinheiro | guys what is the best way to play a sound in qml? | 21:22 |
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| pinheiro | SoundEffect{} | 21:22 |
| pinheiro | ? | 21:22 |
| Canard|Away | is this room for consumers or developers? | 21:22 |
| pinheiro | i get some bugs out of it if i pay a sound repetedly | 21:23 |
| niwakame | Canard|Away: "Topic is 'A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9" | 21:24 |
| Canard|Away | ¤ Ok! -0w0- ¤ | 21:24 |
| Canard|Away | im planning to buy n9 but im worried about os updates | 21:25 |
| merlin1991 | Canard|Away: 2 things? firstly Away? you're talking, also as the topic states customers over to #N9 | 21:26 |
| merlin1991 | to answer your question though, there will be at least 1 more update | 21:26 |
| merlin1991 | (1.2) and maybe a second one | 21:27 |
| niwakame | Canard|Away: Join #N9 and I'll answer you there | 21:27 |
| pinheiro | guys ideas on mine? | 21:27 |
| pinheiro | :D | 21:27 |
| merlin1991 | pinheiro: even though you're on topic I can't help you since I don't do qml :P | 21:28 |
| niwakame | Never used the SoundEffect part, sorry. What problems do arise? | 21:28 |
| pinheiro | SoundEffect{} works but if repeted often produces some noises | 21:28 |
| pinheiro | not wanted noises :D | 21:28 |
| niwakame | You sure the effect finished before firing the next one? | 21:29 |
| pinheiro | since im making a piano perfet reproduction is quida important | 21:29 |
| niwakame | ah | 21:29 |
| pinheiro | im sure its not | 21:29 |
| pinheiro | :D | 21:29 |
| pinheiro | thats the idea | 21:29 |
| niwakame | hehe, one moment... | 21:29 |
| pinheiro | works 95% of the time | 21:29 |
| pinheiro | but wanted to make it perfect | 21:30 |
| niwakame | We're using pulseaudio backend, right? | 21:31 |
| pinheiro | import QtMultimediaKit 1.1 | 21:31 |
| pinheiro | all i know | 21:31 |
| pinheiro | :D | 21:31 |
| ieatlint | yes, it's all pa | 21:31 |
| pinheiro | i would guess so | 21:31 |
| niwakame | ok, I would place my bets on PA handling then | 21:31 |
| ieatlint | you might need to do the audio playback in c++ | 21:32 |
| pinheiro | :( | 21:32 |
| niwakame | I think the same, this is a somewhat "time critical" application | 21:32 |
| ieatlint | but i'm under the impression that qaudiooutput is also pretty janky | 21:32 |
| ieatlint | never used it on the n9, but heard others complain | 21:32 |
| niwakame | You'd just have to write a playback class and reference that from qml | 21:32 |
| pinheiro | yeap | 21:33 |
| ieatlint | it should be a simple c++ setup though | 21:33 |
| pinheiro | will ask some one to do it :D | 21:33 |
| niwakame | hehe the c++ part isn't that hard | 21:33 |
| pinheiro | since i know zero c++ :D | 21:33 |
| pinheiro | just a sily designer here | 21:33 |
| ieatlint | c++ isn't hard, but linking c++ and qml can be arcane | 21:33 |
| pinheiro | still wondering how i got the muititouch to work :d | 21:33 |
| pinheiro | :D | 21:34 |
| niwakame | ieatlint: really? Never had problems on that one while following the examples | 21:34 |
| ieatlint | niwakame: depends on what you're trying to do | 21:34 |
| ieatlint | pinheiro: see, now if nokia actually worked out all the bugs, they'd have had a phone platform in which designers could create actual apps :P | 21:35 |
| niwakame | pinheiro: see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=28615 maybe? | 21:35 |
| pinheiro | ieatlint: yes | 21:35 |
| niwakame | I just wasted about 2 hours because of Javascript variable visibility the other day....gosh always such lame errors | 21:35 |
| pinheiro | me loves qml i think 90% of designers would love it | 21:36 |
| ieatlint | i'm impressed that example references a qrc | 21:36 |
| niwakame | qrc? | 21:37 |
| ieatlint | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/resources.html | 21:38 |
| niwakame | ah | 21:39 |
| ieatlint | is a way of budling arbitrary binaries in with an executable to avoid multiple files | 21:39 |
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| ieatlint | bundling | 21:39 |
| niwakame | Good to know, thanks :) | 21:39 |
| faenil | though not very secure, you can extract things for the exec without too much hassle | 21:40 |
| ieatlint | previously qtmultimediakit has had issues with qrcs, and they're also less common with qml based apps in my experience | 21:40 |
| niwakame | I heave to read in depth about qmake sometime...If anything isn't working in my project setup I just do build-clean - qmake - make and everything's in order again :P | 21:40 |
| ieatlint | learning qmake in depth requires a certain level of masochism | 21:41 |
| faenil | you can't make qmake right :P that's the best thing you can do, clean, qmake, make :D | 21:41 |
| niwakame | ieatlint: haha xD | 21:41 |
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| niwakame | faenil: well you could always encrypt your files, get the decryption key by SSL connection, decrypt in memory and display....aehm...NO | 21:41 |
| ieatlint | yeah, especially if you start branching into moc, rcc and uic | 21:42 |
| faenil | niwakame: ehehe | 21:42 |
| niwakame | out for lunch, brb :) | 21:42 |
| niwakame | *bbl that is | 21:42 |
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| ieatlint | i keep hearing cmake is more sane than qmake | 21:43 |
| ieatlint | but have not looked into it much | 21:43 |
| faenil | me too, haven't understood why they have not replaced it yet | 21:43 |
| faenil | me neither | 21:43 |
| ieatlint | i certainly wouldn't mind avoiding automake and getting the build progress indicator on large projects | 21:44 |
| faenil | :) | 21:45 |
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| Piru | hmm | 21:55 |
| Piru | I got my N9 replaced and trying to restore the backup leads to some issues | 21:55 |
| Piru | failed to fetch exec: ////usr/bin/osa --get 'some-ovi-package' sub-process returned sn error code | 21:55 |
| Piru | ideas? | 21:55 |
| ieatlint | was the phone that you did the backup on pr1.0 or pr1.1, and is the phone you have pr1.0 or pr1.1? | 21:57 |
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| Piru | pr1.1 and I've flashed the new phone to pr1.1 | 21:58 |
| Piru | note that it was a physically different phone. maybe that b0rks stuff? | 21:58 |
| ieatlint | i doubt that.. the error message would be more clear i would think | 21:59 |
| Piru | interestingly I was able to install the devel packages etc | 21:59 |
| ieatlint | but not sure, not really done any restores | 21:59 |
| Piru | just the ovi store stuff appears to be in limbo. | 21:59 |
| Corsac | Piru: how long did it take to get the replacement? | 22:00 |
| Corsac | (and what was the reason?) | 22:00 |
| Piru | the phone started to drop the inet/phone | 22:01 |
| Piru | randomly. would lose it several times per day | 22:01 |
| Piru | hotswapping the SIM or rebooting would bring it back | 22:01 |
| Piru | it was first in repair for 6 days, got it back and it failed the next day, same issue. so again gave it for repairs, and I got a new one the next day | 22:02 |
| faenil | how come there's no update to 4.8 in the sdk yet? | 22:02 |
| Piru | (that was earlier today) | 22:02 |
| Piru | too bad I can't restore the backup. damn it | 22:02 |
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| Piru | hmm wtf | 22:05 |
| Piru | in Store app "My stuff" there's a "Sign in" button. doesn't do anything though | 22:05 |
| Piru | so it looks as if I'm not logged in to ovi? | 22:05 |
| Piru | aaah! | 22:06 |
| Piru | bloody hell | 22:06 |
| Piru | stupid thing | 22:06 |
| Piru | so this is what happened | 22:06 |
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| Piru | (for the record) | 22:07 |
| Piru | skype was asking for my password | 22:07 |
| Piru | now I finally said "cancel" to that | 22:07 |
| Piru | and guess what, now pops up "Sign in to Nokia-account" | 22:07 |
| Piru | I bet after signing in it will work okay.. damned annoying that the skype-login blocks the restore | 22:08 |
| Piru | ok can download and install apps now. what a stupid oversight | 22:11 |
| Piru | I guess I'll report that as a bug. while not clearly one it sure is confusing | 22:11 |
| faenil | guys is there a way to return a couple of values in JS? | 22:12 |
| faenil | like return (x, y) | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | return a data structure | 22:13 |
| Piru | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2917175/return-multiple-values | 22:13 |
| Shadikka | return [x, y], return {"x":x, "y":y} | 22:13 |
| Piru | google is your friend | 22:13 |
| faenil | ok just that way | 22:13 |
| faenil | already gave a quick look up google ofc... :P | 22:14 |
| faenil | btw, thanks :) | 22:14 |
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| Shadikka | nps | 22:14 |
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| faenil | wonder if Qt c++ side will understand that the [ value1, value2 ] that I'm using to call the c++ function is a QPoint :D | 22:21 |
| faenil | trying :D | 22:21 |
| Lilltiger | QPoint(value1.toDouble(),value2.toDouble()) or so i guess, as i suppose the values sent from the script is considered to be QVariants | 22:27 |
| faenil | yes | 22:28 |
| faenil | but it should be autoconverted | 22:28 |
| faenil | just like you can call function(12345) and function is | 22:28 |
| faenil | void function(int value){ } | 22:28 |
| Lilltiger | well better to tell the function what type it is, so the function wont do any conversation | 22:29 |
| faenil | which function? I'm already telling c++ it's a QPoint (QVector2D actually) | 22:30 |
| faenil | but I guess it will work the way I'm using :D | 22:30 |
| Lilltiger | :p | 22:30 |
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| faenil | mmm not working :D | 22:35 |
| faenil | I get 0,0 xD | 22:35 |
| Lilltiger | debug the qvariant and check if it holds a value | 22:39 |
| faenil | consol.log obviously prints the right value... | 22:41 |
| faenil | while point.x() and y() print 0,0 | 22:41 |
| faenil | so it's not converting it, or not doing it correctly in any case | 22:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | hey guys | 22:41 |
| faenil | hi : | 22:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup | 22:44 |
| Lilltiger | faenil, use the qvariant built in stuff then | 22:44 |
| faenil | yeah :) | 22:44 |
| tomma | faenil, how about http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qml-point.html ? i think c++ should see that as qpoint? | 22:46 |
| Canard|Away | anyone here who is in #n9 also? | 22:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | црн, | 22:48 |
| faenil | tomma: never used that, thanks :) | 22:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | why? | 22:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer is in all channels of freenode | 22:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | does qml knows to understand qstringlist or json? | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, I'm *everywhere* | 22:49 |
| faenil | xD | 22:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: =* | 22:49 |
| faenil | the docs say a lot about passing things from C++ to qml and conversions... | 22:56 |
| faenil | but not viceversa | 22:56 |
| faenil | does anyone know a doc/page that explains possible conversions from qml to c++ and the stuff about functions? | 22:59 |
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| faenil | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/qtbinding.html reports almost nothing about that | 23:00 |
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| niwakame | ZogG_laptop: JSON | 23:10 |
| niwakame | you can use JSON.parse(data) | 23:10 |
| niwakame | access to objects would be result.variable.secondvariable if var result = JSON.parse(data) | 23:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | niwakame:thanks | 23:11 |
| niwakame | np, there is even a prewritten 3rd party JSON parser for requests | 23:12 |
| niwakame | I could dig that out for you, if you need | 23:12 |
| niwakame | Handles all the XmlHttpRequest thingys | 23:13 |
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| niwakame | ZogG_laptop: if happy with LGPL, maybe try this one: http://qjson.sourceforge.net/ | 23:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | niwakame: i can parse in C++ but the question is how to easily return array of names to qml | 23:22 |
| Corsac | grmbl, restoring a backup doesn't replace tracker.db | 23:22 |
| niwakame | string array? | 23:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | טקד | 23:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | yes | 23:23 |
| amppa | ZogG_laptop: if you emit a QStringList in C++, it will be seen as a js string array in QML | 23:24 |
| niwakame | hebrew? ^^ | 23:25 |
| niwakame | That's a positive, I've just earned the Unicode Detection Perk! | 23:26 |
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| ZogG_laptop | niwakame: yes it is hebrew | 23:31 |
| niwakame | :) | 23:31 |
| niwakame | Does someone know about in-app advertising on N9? | 23:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | amppa: thanks, but if it's easy to parse json in qml i send it as string | 23:32 |
| niwakame | Approx. amount of data you're going to parse at once? | 23:32 |
| niwakame | out for a smoke, brb | 23:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | niwakame: a lot i think, need to parse hot gallery of imgur | 23:35 |
| niwakame | I parsed 80 google picasa json results in no time | 23:38 |
| niwakame | until I noticed that Picasa doesn't support "Recent first" ordering ... the bug is open since 2008 xD | 23:39 |
| niwakame | So...you shouldn't have a problem with that | 23:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | niwakame: in qt? may i see? | 23:44 |
| niwakame | hrhr my dev laptop is switched off, but I can ... wait *tinkering* | 23:46 |
| niwakame | https://github.com/peppelorum/ajaxmee | 23:47 |
| niwakame | just use the example like on the page | 23:47 |
| niwakame | prepare a ListModel | 23:48 |
| niwakame | in success function, do var result = JSON.parse(data) | 23:48 |
| niwakame | then interate over results, doing theListModel.append(entry[i]) | 23:48 |
| niwakame | and use that ListModel as a model for a GridView | 23:48 |
| niwakame | simple as that | 23:48 |
| jreznik | yep, that's easiest way how to parse json... or a trick - if you really have to do it C++ and you can't use qjson for some reason - just use QScriptEngine and engine.evaluate ;-) | 23:51 |
| niwakame | http://pastebin.com/uTTKCgh3 | 23:52 |
| niwakame | that should be it | 23:53 |
| niwakame | on the ListDelegate you can then just use the object structure beneath each entry | 23:54 |
| niwakame | so if it's {images[{"url": } {"url":}]} | 23:54 |
| niwakame | declare Image { source: url; } | 23:55 |
| niwakame | QML is totally easy in that regard | 23:56 |
| niwakame | Was fun coding | 23:57 |
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