| thp | macmaN: it's just a small one-night get-together | 00:00 |
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| thp | macmaN: but if you have time, come :) | 00:00 |
| macmaN | with these distances, i could really use the 3 months notification of the last one :> | 00:00 |
| thp | :p | 00:01 |
| thp | feel free to organize something more local to you :) we could have a skype video hookup if we sync the dates | 00:01 |
| thp | (or at least idling around on irc, which might be more appropriate) | 00:01 |
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| swedzin | can anyone help me with installing filemanager to my N9? | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | What do you mean? | 00:18 |
| swedzin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgYU8SlpJ6I im following this guide | 00:18 |
| swedzin | i can browse to /MyDocs/ | 00:19 |
| swedzin | but it seems there's nothing in there | 00:19 |
| swedzin | when i input ls command it shows nothing | 00:19 |
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| thp | ok, announcement is out: http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2012/01/next-tuesday-2012-01-10-hack-n9-session.html | 00:21 |
| ieatlint | ooh, no hands picture | 00:22 |
| swedzin | shouldn't /home/user/MyDocs/ directory be what you first see when you open N9 with your computer when its connected ass mass memory device? | 00:22 |
| merlin1991 | thp: gotta love the cssu ad you placed there ;) | 00:23 |
| thp | yep, too few people actually know about it. i constantly (as in every other month that i run into a n900 users) have to tell people to install it | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what a netsplit, eh? | 00:25 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you had fun in the little alternate reality? | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | even took 6 others as hostages | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 00:26 |
| merlin1991 | http://pastebin.com/kBqtwaJu | 00:27 |
| merlin1991 | something was wrong with that netsplit :D | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | swedzin: MyDocs is indeed the dir you see on PC when mass storage mode. Note though that it is empty on device as long as content got exported to PC | 00:28 |
| javispedro | your client probably has some timeout to be able to do that nicely formate netsplit list | 00:28 |
| merlin1991 | javispedro: nah, DocScrutinizer simply has to stop breaking the space time continoum | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo | 00:29 |
| infobot | 120/120 channels, 4962 users, 3550 unique: #debian/1175, #kde/368, #maemo/300, #meego/287, #asterisk/184, #webos-internals/167, #gsoc/165, #harmattan/165, #wowuidev/152, #wowace/134, #oe/132, #wowhead/110, #openmoko/104, #openmoko-cdevel/84, #htc-linux/80, #uclibc/70, #bzflag/66, #utah/61, #edev/56, #curseforge/56, #tomcat/55, #asterisk-dev/47, #sc2mapster/46, #n9/40, #/39, #slug/38, #elinux/35, #flow3/32, #uphpu/31, #diablofans/31, #norganna/26, ... | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaaaw, it's so much fun! | 00:29 |
| merlin1991 | s/continoum/continuum/ | 00:29 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: javispedro: nah, DocScrutinizer simply has to stop breaking the space time continuum | 00:29 |
| swedzin | i transfered this .deb file to MyDocs but i can't see it in N9 terminal | 00:31 |
| swedzin | is there something im doing wrong? | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, probably. Unplug USB | 00:34 |
| swedzin | i did | 00:35 |
| swedzin | and still when i cd to /home/user/MyDocs and input ls, i get nothing | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls -laR ~user/MyDocs | 00:35 |
| ieatlint | are you just unplugging the n9, or are you properly syncing/ejecting it? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, when you cd to ~user/MyDocs while it's mounted on PC, you most likely will see an empty . aka current directory, even after unplugging N9 from PC | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't think the filehandle to cwd that the shell allocates by cd ~user/MyDocs will notice when the true MyDocs gets mounted over it | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cd .. | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls MyDocs | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | messing with phantom dirs hidden under mountpoints is a real fun topic, inly for experts though | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | only* | 00:42 |
| Jare | it's just great that i've got 58 gigabytes of vfat in n9 and cannot copy >4GB files on it :B | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, say "thank you VFAT" | 00:43 |
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| ieatlint | i wonder if it's possible to switch that to ext3 or something | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, under HARM? under **AEGIS**? | 00:44 |
| javispedro | from all the people in the world, vivainio recomending we fork android? :( | 00:44 |
| ieatlint | yeah :( | 00:44 |
| ieatlint | i imagine fstab is aegis protected | 00:44 |
| javispedro | Jare: its a problem with VFAT, not the N9 | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet there's no real fstab at all, just like on fremantle | 00:44 |
| Jare | i have said that millions of times since dvd etc movies became popular and windows still uset fat32 ;) | 00:45 |
| javispedro | this reminds me of some webos reviewer saying that webos wasn't able to play videos larger than 4GiB while his android phone was able to "from his SD card" | 00:45 |
| javispedro | reviewers... pfft. | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | bwahaha | 00:45 |
| javispedro | Jare: ms is absolutely fine with it as they have some nice patents on vfat | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | patents? on that BS? :-o | 00:46 |
| javispedro | yeah | 00:47 |
| javispedro | in fact they have patents BECAUSE it is BS | 00:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what the hell you could patent on VFAT | 00:47 | |
| javispedro | they do not own patent on NTFS | 00:47 |
| javispedro | *any patent | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the patent in it? the 8.3 filenames? | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-P | 00:48 |
| ieatlint | wtf, recruiters from kenya are contacting me | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget it :-D | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | it's long filename ->8.3 mapping IIRC | 00:49 |
| Jare | isn't ntfs supported under linux nowadays? | 00:49 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I remember one regarding the crap-workaround they use for storing long file names in fat16 | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thought exactly that, yeah | 00:49 |
| javispedro | (aka VFAT) | 00:49 |
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| ieatlint | SpeedEvil: it is, mostly | 00:50 |
| wirwe | hi, who has an idea where to report bugs that occure doing an `apt-get install`? | 00:50 |
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| ieatlint | but i would never trust it with data i really cared about | 00:50 |
| merlin1991 | wirwe: depending on the error I'd say to the developer of the package you're trying to install | 00:51 |
| wirwe | merlin1991: it's like `Diese Pakete ohne Überprüfung installieren [j/N]? y | 00:51 |
| wirwe | means: that j/N doesn't work, but y | 00:52 |
| merlin1991 | oh that is a bug towards apt-get ist | 00:52 |
| merlin1991 | *itself* then | 00:52 |
| merlin1991 | so the public bugtracker I guess | 00:52 |
| wirwe | ok, thanks | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | N should work anyway | 00:54 |
| wirwe | nein and no is the same, hell yes! :-D | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | No and Nein are pretty compatible regarding that | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | I never notice that kind of bug, because every since I had it once (i think it was with apt) I just press y always | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | because pretty much every application supports y as a fallback to j if it is translated to german | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, same here | 00:56 |
| ieatlint | i wonder if that's fixed upstream | 00:56 |
| Jare | and exfat isn't yet fully supported under linux.. so there are currently no other options for mass storage filesystem than vfat :/ | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | ieatlint: I BET nokia did slap their own l10n ontop of apt | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never would know as all my rot accounts run under LANG=C | 00:57 |
| ieatlint | localized input validation is more annoying than just localized text | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | root* | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | ieatlint: and so upstream probably doesn't have the problem :D | 00:57 |
| wirwe | so it wouldn't be a problem for anyone if they write [y/N] :-D | 00:57 |
| ieatlint | merlin1991: could well be | 00:58 |
| ieatlint | especially if the y/j would be a localized string in the comparison | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Ok/Abort] or [Ok/Abbrechen] | 00:58 |
| * javispedro gives up | 00:59 | |
| javispedro | ok I am going to setup a caldav server on my own host | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | on what? | 00:59 |
| javispedro | anyone has any suggestions on a specific server that works with the harmattan calendar app? | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | pfff | 00:59 |
| merlin1991 | javispedro: mfe ;)) | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | use a decent OS, use fremantle! | 01:00 |
| javispedro | caldav, not some microsoft piece of explosive | 01:00 |
| javispedro | I very much prefer Apple's piece of explosive =) | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | comes with decent resistive touchscreen, and even hw kbd ;-D | 01:00 |
| javispedro | it does not support caldav at all | 01:00 |
| javispedro | so I would be forced to use MFE | 01:01 |
| Rtt831 | Hi, I installed espeak from fremantle and it works flawlessly, but I'm wondering if could develop and application that uses it and uploded it to the store, I'm not sure if the license is ok with that, can someone tell me if that could be done? | 01:01 |
| ieatlint | you shouldn't be using apple software with non-apple products. they disapprove | 01:01 |
| merlin1991 | you don't want to meet disapproving zombie steve | 01:02 |
| ieatlint | you should be stroking a brand new iphone 4s while on your new macbook pro anxiously reading rumours about the ipad3 | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | the *licence* of espeak shouldn't be your problem | 01:02 |
| Jare | you might lose your warranty, if you use apple with non-apple products ;) | 01:02 |
| Rtt831 | thanks DocScrutinizer | 01:02 |
| kimju | ieatlint, itym "you shouldn't be using non-apple products, they disapproves" | 01:02 |
| merlin1991 | Jare: I think the warranty is over after you *used* an apple | 01:03 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: Rtt831: the problem is that you are going to redistribute espeak on the ovi store? | 01:03 |
| Rtt831 | I want to do it | 01:03 |
| Rtt831 | is it possible? | 01:03 |
| ieatlint | kimju: yes, but you also need to accuse all others of stealing from apple | 01:05 |
| ieatlint | "omg, the n9 has a list of icons to launch applications. such a fucking knock off of the iphone" | 01:05 |
| ieatlint | feel free to substitute the icons in that sentence with just about any generic feature | 01:06 |
| javispedro | you do not have to statically link to it (it must be a dynamic library or a separate executable) and you must give the users of your application a written offer somewhere for the source code of espeak if they desire to download it | 01:06 |
| javispedro | Rtt831^^ | 01:06 |
| kimju | =) | 01:06 |
| Rtt831 | javispedro: thanks | 01:06 |
| ieatlint | note that espeak appears to be gpl | 01:08 |
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| ieatlint | so it may require that your application also be gpl | 01:08 |
| javispedro | http://espeak.sourceforge.net/license.html | 01:08 |
| javispedro | not if you do not link to it | 01:08 |
| javispedro | _statically_ link to it | 01:08 |
| ieatlint | statically linking to it definitely requires all gpl, but the lgpl was created to address dynamic linking | 01:09 |
| ieatlint | ah licencing... :P | 01:09 |
| ieatlint | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LinkingWithGPL ... but i generally take anything i read on gnu.org with a grain of salt | 01:10 |
| javispedro | oh you are right, I messed up | 01:11 |
| javispedro | too distracted =) | 01:11 |
| ieatlint | yeah, gpl is just a mess of claims :( | 01:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I came up with a neat wheeze to completely bypass GPLV2 | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | You arrange for your software supplier to ship you an encrypted image of source code. | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | GPL'd source | 01:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | You then copy this onto your device, and then send it to the customer. | 01:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | At the customers premesis, you compile it automagically. | 01:13 |
| javispedro | you didn't discover this, gentoo did =) | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Keeping it in an encrypted filesystem, with anti-tamper and everything. | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | So you never distribute any object code. | 01:13 |
| javispedro | the reason I have firefox with official branding here is because I built it myself and gentoo never distributed | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | And your only obligation is limited to credit | 01:13 |
| javispedro | and the patented truetype hinter, and so many other stuff that gentoo workarounded using that =) | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Even if you're breaking the spirit of the GPL,as you're not making the code available to the user. You don't have to. | 01:14 |
| ieatlint | well, i only release things under the gpl to be an asshole | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | so screw you all | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | and steal my code and i'll pay for RMS to visit your house | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I consider actually doing the above to be morally wrong - but belive it's quite legal. | 01:16 |
| javispedro | Rtt831: so, please note that I was wrong, dynamic linking with espeak is not allowed either. | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, it isn't allowed? | 01:21 |
| npm | i think stealing is allowed, it's hoarding that's against the law. | 01:21 |
| npm | of RMS | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm annoyed that many things still haven't put back GIF | 01:21 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: ookkk, dynamic linking with a nonGPL app | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd say it's publishing binary-only code that links against GPl .so that's not allowed | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose you can have binary only GPL. | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | If you're wierd enough to code it directly in hex | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | if your code is GPL as well, you for sure may link against GPL libs | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and nota bene you even may sell your own as well as most GPL code for as much as you like, as long as you provide the source for all of it | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | where "provide" is a fuzzy term | 01:24 |
| javispedro | wow, rpm support in madde =) | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | RPM4 ? | 01:25 |
| javispedro | meego rpm =) | 01:25 |
| javispedro | btw, can I start craving for PR1.2? :D | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrr *cough* erhrhrrrerr *cough* | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict craving | 01:26 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'craving' (1 of 4): a habit, acquired tolerance, acute alcoholism, addictedness, addiction, alcoholism, amphetamine withdrawal symptoms, an universal wolf, appetence, appetency, appetite, appetition, athirst, barbiturate addiction, barbiturism, chain smoking, chronic alcoholism, cocainism, consumed with desire, coveting, crash, dependence, devoured by desire, dipsomania, drug addiction, drug culture, drug dependence, fervid, habituation, ... | 01:26 |
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| javispedro | aiui it brings bluetooth's message access profile support :) | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow, the most fsckdup dict item I've ever seen :-D | 01:28 |
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| swedzin | anyone know if there is a way to copy your sms messages from one phone to another? | 01:39 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ugh, on the topic of the gpl - it seems like the main party that the gpl works against is other open source developers | 02:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's many cases of commercial vendors being undeterred by it | 02:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and at the same time, many cases of perfectly open software having important libraries be unavailable because the gpl is too bloody aggressive | 02:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone know where the flasher and unlzo utilities are? i'm looking for how to dump the firmware from the .bin blob, and keep seeing references to those, but i'm not sure where they're available from | 03:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, found flasher, so nm on that...didn't realize it was linux only (makes sense though) | 03:01 |
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| auenf | "Edit – Quote from Vodafone... | 03:39 |
| auenf | The Nokia N9 is out of stock and is what we consider "end of life" which means that we will no longer be stocking this device. Our online store and means of ordering over the phone will no longer be able to provide this device to you." | 03:39 |
| auenf | http://vfaus.i.lithium.com/t5/Self-service-and-vodafone-com-au/Nokia-N9-missing-from-the-website/m-p/68643 | 03:39 |
| beford | >:o | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 03:42 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | auenf: whoa, that was quick | 04:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the n9 launched what, 5 months ago? | 04:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if i could get an n9 for $400 or less i'd buy one and start hacking on it in ten seconds...i'm tempted to for $550 but it still seems way too high fwiw | 04:07 |
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| Tronic | auenf: Oh, that's how they are going to cripple the sales figures. | 04:33 |
| Tronic | Possibly clauses on MS agreement preventing manufacturing of competing smartphones after 2011? | 04:34 |
| Tronic | (or selling it in key markets) | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 04:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what's ridiculous is that they aren't even launching the good nokia wp7 phones in the US | 04:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | t-mobile is subsidizing the 710, which looks absolutely awful | 04:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as opposed to the 800 which at least has the n9 chassis | 04:37 |
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| javispedro | omh my own caldav server | 05:23 |
| javispedro | now I can properly implement workarounds for all those buggy clients on the server side, where they belong | 05:23 |
| auenf | even tho n9 is aparently EOL here | 05:31 |
| auenf | i doubt 800 will be sold here | 05:31 |
| auenf | unless the huge amount of n9 advertising will 'trick' people into getting the 800 instead | 05:31 |
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| Scifig | Morning. Does anyone have the Skype Account UI installed? | 06:56 |
| Scifig | I'm looking for the skype.service and related provider/service-type files from /usr/share/accounts/ folder. | 06:57 |
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| Tronic | Scifig: I think I saw macmaN blog about it. | 07:47 |
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| Scifig | Tronic, I tried this http://leho.kraav.com/blog/2011/12/01/install-n9-skype-ui-on-n950/ | 07:51 |
| Scifig | But "Package account-plugin-skype has no installation candidate" | 07:51 |
| Scifig | I get this ^^ error when I try to apt-get install account-plugin-skype | 07:52 |
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| Scifig | Aah, my bad. I misread the blog and put rm680 in the repo URL. It should left as 001 only. Finally skype account UI installed. | 07:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Scifig: any idea what tool is needed to unpack the N9's rom image? | 08:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i read something about 'flasher' but the version i found seems not to have the requisite -u argument, so i must have the wrong one | 08:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also hmm, if skype uses a plugin, it must be possible to implement secure voice with a plugin | 08:19 |
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| Scifig | itsnotabigtruck, Are you talking about the OneClickFlasher image for N9? I am not sure whether OCF is available for N9. I have an N950. | 08:30 |
| Scifig | Skype uses telepathy-spirit which is a closed source Telepathy Connection Manager. It is possible to create a custom connection manager like spirit or sofiasip that handles calls. | 08:32 |
| Scifig | Telepathy-sofiasip is open source (Nokia adds their customizations to it), but I don't know whether it handles secure calls at all. | 08:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Scifig: i don't think this is oneclickflasher, but it could be | 08:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | afaik telepathy has no security features whatsoever, though that means it could be added, rebuilt, and swapped in then | 08:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also from what i found on teh interwebs, i thought the N950 was only available as a loaner unit | 08:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the idea is .bin file (d/led with navifirm) -> compressed image -> decompressed image, and flasher is needed for that 1st conversion | 08:41 |
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| Scifig | itsnotabigtruck, I don't have an N9 to play with. So, I'll let the experts here help with the flashing. | 08:49 |
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| Scifig | itsnotabigtruck, Are you planning on creating a plugin for secure voice calls? | 08:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Scifig: neither do i :p i was hoping to see what's inside the firmware, precisely because i don't | 08:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i was contemplating it | 08:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | somebody needs to do it, and nokia isn't :| | 08:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | seems like no one takes communications security seriously anymore | 08:52 |
| dm8tbr | please stop trolling. | 08:53 |
| * dm8tbr has a SIP/TLS account enabled to a trusted server. | 08:53 | |
| dm8tbr | if you need more, then implement it server-side | 08:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | trolling? you're kidding me, and the problem is that ^ just doesn't scale that well | 08:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | really what you need is end to end key agreement, and that's where zrtp comes in | 08:54 |
| dm8tbr | write a telepathy plugin, be a hero. | 08:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, of course then you're still dealing with SIP, which is its own problem | 08:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the most popular sip server blocked all encrypted calls up until the latest version, and it still blocks zrtp | 08:56 |
| dm8tbr | that's not a nokia problem, is it? | 08:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, but it seems like a no-win situation | 08:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bad standards, bad software, etc. - it's an industry problem | 08:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you're right that sip being awful isn't a nokia problem | 08:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: hmm, hold on, are you sure you're using SRTP with your N9? | 09:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or just an SSL'd SIP connection | 09:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't look like there's been any motion on this bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28056 | 09:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you're not sure, make sure to packet trace that stuff before saying anything confidential...anyway, i need to sleep | 09:15 |
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| superdump | ahoy | 11:44 |
| superdump | i'm looking for the current release image and perhaps emmc for sweden for the n9 | 11:45 |
| superdump | it seems my newly purchased n9 is stuck on 10.2011.34-1.232.2_PR_232 | 11:46 |
| auenf | NSU doesnt list the update? | 11:46 |
| superdump | i have a flasher tool from my work (i work on the camera software on the n9) | 11:46 |
| superdump | nope | 11:46 |
| superdump | assuming nsu is the updates tab of the manage applications page | 11:47 |
| superdump | and i've had the phone for a couple of weeks | 11:47 |
| auenf | NSU == nokia software updater | 11:47 |
| auenf | windows app | 11:47 |
| superdump | i don't use windows (linux) | 11:47 |
| auenf | PR1.1 shows up in NSU for me, but not in manage applications (OTA) yet | 11:48 |
| superdump | ok | 11:48 |
| auenf | the other option would be navifirm if you want to head down that route | 11:49 |
| superdump | i have an internal nokia flasher because i work on the n9, i'm mostly looking for the firmware image for the currently publically available stuff | 11:50 |
| superdump | as i'm not sure precisely which it should be | 11:50 |
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| juergbi | superdump: pr1.1 is 20.2011.40-4 | 11:51 |
| auenf | navifirm probably has the image file you want to use | 11:52 |
| auenf | altho only OTA update will avoid you having to reinstall stuff | 11:52 |
| superdump | juergbi: ok, thanks | 11:52 |
| auenf | but if its a brand new device, that shouldnt be an issue | 11:52 |
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| superdump | it's new as of a few weeks | 11:54 |
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| marsje | I was wondering... I read some people managed to change the product ID of there N9 (to another region) | 12:32 |
| marsje | what if I change it from one where no PR1.1 is available to one where there is a PR1.1 available... Will I get the OTA update? | 12:32 |
| marsje | (and avoid flashing it myself) | 12:34 |
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| kevin_b | Hello guys, is there anyway to detect and use printer from n9? | 13:02 |
| kevin_b | cups? | 13:02 |
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| RST38h | RiM selling both 16GB and 64GB PlayBooks for $299 | 13:18 |
| RST38h | So, "buy" or "wait until $99"? | 13:18 |
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| kevin_b | 200€ in France ;) | 13:23 |
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| kevin_b | just needa seek a bit | 13:24 |
| kevin_b | other topic : Cannot install invalid package : is it because it would be a PR 1.0 package? | 13:25 |
| RST38h | no idea, you have to see the package | 13:26 |
| kevin_b | I want irc on my N9 but IrcChatter does not install | 13:26 |
| RST38h | may have the wrong architecture for example | 13:26 |
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| kevin_b | it s armel deb happened with IrcChatter, or another fuynky vlc package | 13:27 |
| RST38h | are you installing it with dpkg? | 13:27 |
| kevin_b | nope | 13:27 |
| kevin_b | might be that | 13:27 |
| kevin_b | ok | 13:27 |
| RST38h | Try installing it with dpkg, you will get more debug output | 13:28 |
| kevin_b | but I got hard time trying to install utilities like wget from dev menu | 13:28 |
| kevin_b | in wifi it never worked, needa switch over 3G | 13:28 |
| kevin_b | and then wget, nano and such installed well over 3G | 13:28 |
| kevin_b | ok thanks RST38h | 13:29 |
| RST38h | kevin_b, there is no need to familiarize everyone present with the long list of things that did not work for you =) | 13:29 |
| kevin_b | ok I thought at least one person would be interested :p | 13:30 |
| kevin_b | because I would have been in my case few days ago ;)à | 13:30 |
| RST38h | Even I am not interested, kevin_b, just matching your issue against the most likely cause. | 13:30 |
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| kevin_b | Can I boost wifi one way or another? | 13:36 |
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| kevin_b | <3 shell on N9 :) | 13:41 |
| phako | kevin_b: there's one thing you can do but it will increase power consumption by factor 20 and you most likely don't want that | 13:45 |
| kevin_b | ok, there no 2x,3x,10x factor I guess thanks anyway | 13:46 |
| RST38h | LG to show 55in, 4mm-thick OLED TV at CES | 13:49 |
| RST38h | (ain't they getting a bit overboard with this race?) | 13:49 |
| deram | I'd take same device with 40mm thickness if that woult reduce cost by half | 13:50 |
| RST38h | will you take the one 40cm thick at 1/20 of the cost? | 13:51 |
| deram | probably | 13:51 |
| RST38h | good, people are throwing old projection TVs right around now | 13:51 |
| deram | those aren't OLED | 13:52 |
| RST38h | well, can't have everything | 13:52 |
| deram | when will we see oled projector.. | 13:53 |
| RST38h | prolly never | 13:54 |
| deram | there are currently LED illuminated LCD-based projectors.. | 13:57 |
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| RST38h | OLEDs degrade with temperature | 14:04 |
| RST38h | Make your own conclusions. | 14:04 |
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| kevin_b | last one : I need to reboot once in dev-mode and then start ssh server manually is that normal? | 14:33 |
| kevin_b | should dev mod do it all | 14:33 |
| kevin_b | nt | 14:33 |
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| Corsac | pfff, now smartsearch, messaging-ui and contacts eat all the cpu | 14:52 |
| Corsac | ho, and tracker-store seems to like that too | 14:52 |
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| RzR | Corsac: hi and hny, try to mv .qmf .qmf.bak | 14:54 |
| RzR | kevin_b: i installed ircchatter on my n950 did u test my repo ? | 14:56 |
| Corsac | RzR: so that means downloading again all the mail :) | 14:56 |
| Corsac | I think I should just remove the mail account until PR1.2 anyway | 14:57 |
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| kevin_b | RzR I think I found your repo | 14:58 |
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| RzR | kevin_b: good luck | 15:16 |
| Corsac | hmhm, is there a way to strace a system process? | 15:16 |
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| Venemo | hey | 15:17 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, and a nice 100M meta.db | 15:21 |
| auenf | 1137 emails might take a few presses of 'Get more messages'... | 15:23 |
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| Corsac | auenf: I have something like 11000 mails in my INBOX | 15:29 |
| Corsac | (not counting subfolders) | 15:29 |
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| Corsac | RzR: so moving qmf isn't enough | 15:34 |
| auenf | thats my 'archive' inbox | 15:34 |
| auenf | ie, ones that dont fit on the real server | 15:34 |
| Corsac | and removing the tracker store might be a bad idea | 15:34 |
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| auenf | just got my archive server up and running again | 15:35 |
| auenf | so need to migrate the emails that are saved on the n900 cause i ran out of room on the real server when this other one wasnt back up and running after hdd isuues | 15:35 |
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| auenf | wtf | 15:42 |
| auenf | n900 could move messages between imap accounts | 15:42 |
| auenf | n9 cant? | 15:42 |
| RzR | i should let me build imap sync :) | 15:44 |
| RzR | it | 15:44 |
| auenf | maybe i cant retire n900 yet :P | 15:44 |
| RzR | ping me later i'll help you | 15:51 |
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| kevin_b | Will we have the proper driver for cracking wep ;D ? | 16:13 |
| Corsac | wep is so deprecated | 16:15 |
| kevin_b | tell that to neighboor | 16:16 |
| kevin_b | even to my boss | 16:16 |
| kevin_b | ;) | 16:16 |
| kevin_b | anyway, if not I guess my N900 still have some good days coming | 16:16 |
| kevin_b | I wanna print with my beautiful N9 | 16:20 |
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| Venemo | hey faenil :) | 16:24 |
| faenil | hey Venemo :D | 16:24 |
| Venemo | faenil, what's up? :) | 16:25 |
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| faenil | Venemo: same story, working on my thesis... | 16:27 |
| faenil | should also study for Networking which is my last exam (for the 3 years degree) but coding is more fun XD | 16:28 |
| Venemo | :) | 16:31 |
| Venemo | yeah, same here, coding is a LOT more fun :) | 16:31 |
| faenil | :D | 16:32 |
| faenil | Venemo: but the exam is on 19th, and no exam -> no thesis XD | 16:32 |
| faenil | so I'd better start :D | 16:32 |
| Venemo | :P | 16:33 |
| Venemo | faenil, can I ask what your native language is? | 16:33 |
| faenil | sure, Italian, why? :D | 16:33 |
| Venemo | faenil, I was wondering whether you could help me out with translating my app to Italian :) | 16:34 |
| faenil | ahahaha I knew you would have asked that one of these days XD | 16:34 |
| faenil | well as I just told you, I'm very busy, but I could do that for you ;) it depends on how much it is | 16:35 |
| faenil | and how long it takes | 16:35 |
| Venemo | well, I'm asking everyone I can. I don't speak too many languages myself | 16:35 |
| Venemo | in my estimate, it will take about 15 minutes :) | 16:35 |
| faenil | ok good | 16:36 |
| faenil | I'll do that now then ;) | 16:36 |
| faenil | if you provide files now, I'll do it before studying :) | 16:36 |
| Venemo | I'll commit the stuff I'm working on now and will send you a link to a .ts file | 16:37 |
| faenil | ok | 16:37 |
| Venemo | it is ridiculous how some things work differently on symbian and linux | 16:39 |
| Venemo | and I f'ing hate the symbian sdk | 16:39 |
| faenil | :D | 16:39 |
| Venemo | seriously | 16:40 |
| faenil | what's wrong ? | 16:41 |
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| jreznik | Venemo: do you already have Czech? can help :) (but I don't use it at all on mobile/computer;-) | 16:50 |
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| Venemo | jreznik, sure, I could use any help :) | 16:54 |
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| Venemo | faenil, well, symbian sdk gives a few dozens of warnings on any build, all of which originate from the included system headers... | 16:55 |
| Venemo | faenil, also, the -D compiler syntax is different on symbian | 16:55 |
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| user_ | can n9 running nitdroid ? | 16:56 |
| faenil | oh yeah the headers warnings, yeah | 16:56 |
| faenil | like 240 of them xD | 16:56 |
| jreznik | Venemo: ok, send me the link to the stuff to be translated :) | 16:56 |
| Venemo | faenil, and Qt Quick doesn' t load image files if they have the "file://" prefix whereas on Linux it ONLY loads them if they have the "file://" prefix. also on Windows, it needs "file:///" prefix. oh, and QPixmap fails to load any filenames with either "file://" or "file:///" on any platforms... | 16:56 |
| Venemo | jreznik, okay, will do :) and thanks in advance | 16:57 |
| faenil | aahah | 16:57 |
| alterego | user_: it's possible, but Harmattan is much cooler. | 16:57 |
| Corsac | at least will be with pr1.2 | 16:58 |
| jreznik | Venemo: yep, I hit this issue too... ended with bunch of ifdefs... | 16:58 |
| Corsac | :) | 16:58 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:58 |
| jreznik | Corsac: yep, it is | 16:58 |
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| Venemo | jreznik, I managed to handle most of this mess without ifdefs | 16:58 |
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| Corsac | I'm unsure why it started exhibits all those battery drains, but on top of the failing memory or so, it really starts to piss me off | 16:59 |
| jreznik | Venemo: it was easier that time as I was in hurry to deliver app... | 16:59 |
| user_ | ok thanks | 17:00 |
| Venemo | jreznik :) | 17:00 |
| jreznik | Venemo: you can do that in proprietary closed app :))) | 17:01 |
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| Venemo | jreznik, what app was that? | 17:04 |
| faenil | Venemo: how much till you're done with the files? :D | 17:04 |
| Venemo | faenil, just a moment. I need to add one more string to be translated (and also ask the other guys to translate it) | 17:05 |
| faenil | ok ;) | 17:05 |
| jreznik | Venemo: one local Czech open air festival, Nokia sponsored it | 17:05 |
| Venemo | jreznik, :) | 17:05 |
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| jreznik | but it was nice opportunity to learn qml, even on old symbians it's nearly unusable and I have to turn off half of the graphics, no animations etc... | 17:06 |
| faenil | old like? | 17:08 |
| Venemo | yeah, old symbian is crap | 17:09 |
| Venemo | fortunately, newer symbian devices are not bad actually | 17:09 |
| Venemo | ok, they're BAD, but they at least run qml with acceptable performance | 17:11 |
| faenil | now you're talking :D | 17:12 |
| Venemo | :D | 17:12 |
| jreznik | I hope it's fixed now as newer Qt should have better pixmap management on symbian (at least they say it :) | 17:14 |
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| Venemo | faenil, jreznik, I need to reboot and then will send you a link to the translation file. | 17:15 |
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| faenil | ok | 17:17 |
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| Venemo | hey | 17:24 |
| Venemo | faenil, what's the langcode for Italy | 17:24 |
| faenil | in Symbian? | 17:24 |
| Venemo | jreznik, what's the langcode for Czech? | 17:24 |
| faenil | Symbian's langcode? | 17:24 |
| Venemo | faenil, this is cross-platform. eg. Hungary is hu_HU | 17:24 |
| faenil | ok | 17:24 |
| faenil | I know italian is 05 in Symbian...it_IT? | 17:25 |
| Venemo | ok | 17:25 |
| faenil | not sure though, have only used 05 so far | 17:25 |
| jreznik | Venemo: cs_CZ | 17:25 |
| jreznik | (don't ask me why) | 17:25 |
| faenil | xD | 17:26 |
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| Venemo | ok | 17:28 |
| deram | probably someone used different translitterations when registering countrycode and languagecode | 17:29 |
| jreznik | maybe historical reasons - CzechoSlovakia as country and CZech as language and it stayed without change... I was too young in 1993 :) | 17:30 |
| Venemo | faenil, see http://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/blobs/master/translations/puzzle-master_it_IT.ts | 17:31 |
| Venemo | jreznik, see http://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/blobs/master/translations/puzzle-master_cs_CZ.ts | 17:31 |
| Venemo | faenil, jreznik, you can open the file with Qt Linguist | 17:31 |
| faenil | ok | 17:32 |
| faenil | and send back the translated one? | 17:32 |
| Venemo | yes, create a merge request if you like or just email me the finished translation | 17:33 |
| Venemo | pastebin is even more convenient :P | 17:34 |
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| faenil | xD | 17:35 |
| faenil | downloading linguist xD | 17:35 |
| Venemo | faenil, it's part of the Qt SDK | 17:36 |
| faenil | yes but I did not check it :P | 17:36 |
| faenil | during installation | 17:36 |
| Venemo | ahm | 17:36 |
| Venemo | :) | 17:36 |
| Venemo | ok | 17:36 |
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| RST38h | EHLO gentlemen | 18:10 |
| Pali | ping X-Fade | 18:12 |
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| javispedro | helo | 18:14 |
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| kevin_b | f**** this ssh server is realy troublesome to start? | 18:16 |
| kevin_b | how do you start it? usually? | 18:17 |
| javispedro | you reboot | 18:17 |
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| kevin_b | hahha omg, my N9 stucked on Nokia splashscreen lol | 18:18 |
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| javispedro | were you trying to build your own ssh server for any reason | 18:19 |
| javispedro | ? | 18:19 |
| kevin_b | nope | 18:19 |
| kevin_b | maybe because I /usr/sbin/sshd -D -4 ed | 18:20 |
| kevin_b | yeepee sshd is there :) | 18:21 |
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| kevin_b | whoops apt-get doesn't understand my languague | 18:35 |
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| kevin_b | Which custom deb did you use for fennec? | 18:36 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so are there any retailers that ship that sexy N9 white edition to the us? (i guess this belongs in #n9 but that doesn't look like where the action's at) | 18:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/26390/ddtsg/Nokia-N9-alypuhelin-64GB-valkea has it but appears to only ship within se/fi/dk | 18:45 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, ping | 18:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: pong | 19:04 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I've got two questions | 19:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | ырщще | 19:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | shoot | 19:06 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, could you please translate the two new strings in my app? | 19:06 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, the other one is, can I credit you in the AUTHORS file? | 19:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: yes and yes | 19:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | now my turn? | 19:07 |
| Venemo | :) | 19:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | did you work with QNetwork? | 19:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | have you* | 19:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: can i change from in qitorious? | 19:09 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, what's your gitorious username? | 19:11 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, or even simpler, just use pastebin | 19:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | zogg | 19:14 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: http://dpaste.org/JAOvt/ - but i really need to chek it in the game, so i'll be sure, as there are certain sentences i translated meaning only, as certain phrases in english word to word translation make no sense | 19:16 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I understand | 19:17 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, what would you say if I made you a .deb which contains the translation and then you could install on your N9 and test? | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | sounds logical | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: thezogg at gmail | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | as well i fixed that russian translation was seen in linguist as hungarian =) | 19:19 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop :) | 19:19 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I sent you a PM | 19:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmm https://github.com/OrangeLabsUK/Helium-Mobile-Browser | 19:57 |
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| Richlv | any rumours of somebody working on cellhunter (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Cellhunter) for n9 ? :) | 20:09 |
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| RST38h | Richlv: no ? :) | 20:10 |
| Richlv | hmm, there's http://www.openbmap.org/ | 20:11 |
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| Richlv | seems to have a wider scope as well | 20:12 |
| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, in openmode, does the Facebook app on the N9 work? | 20:12 |
| Richlv | but only mentions winphone & android :/ | 20:12 |
| Richlv | well, and openmoko as well | 20:12 |
| javispedro | holy **, did qt creator just statically analize my C++ to determine that I am attaching a context property and properly syntax coloring it in the .qml editor? | 20:12 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: yes | 20:13 |
| RST38h | javispedro: yes,it is one of useless things qt creator does | 20:13 |
| ieatlint | but i wouldn' always trust it... sometimes it's slow to update that | 20:13 |
| javispedro | it even correctly guesses the class type | 20:13 |
| * javispedro *hats off* | 20:14 | |
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| ieatlint | yeah, i've liked qtcreator... it generally keeps my toolchains more sane i think | 20:15 |
| javispedro | RST38h: totally not useless for me, what is useless is to have gazillions of small "warning icons" everywhere because of "unknown object/property/whatever" | 20:15 |
| RST38h | javispedro: qt creator failed making a deb package for me, when I tried debugging in it | 20:16 |
| javispedro | oh, .deb creation is totally broken indeed | 20:16 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I am officially calling all its bell and whistles "useless" until it manages to do that | 20:16 |
| javispedro | meh, I mount my workstation via NFS on the N950, so I need no debs =) | 20:17 |
| RST38h | oh | 20:17 |
| RST38h | and aegis has been disabled for good now? | 20:17 |
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| javispedro | with some annoyances here and there... | 20:17 |
| Lilltiger | indeed, my facebook app seems to be broken now after i installed the openmode | 20:18 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: open mode is a two way street, right? I.e. I can enable/disable it easily now, without reflashing? | 20:19 |
| javispedro | RST38h: depending on what you do in open mode, you might a malf if you boot back to closed. Usually though not changing files or installing packages from open mode is enough to prevent it. | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | gah | 20:20 |
| javispedro | *get a malf | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | milf* | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | is there any good separator widget in MTF | 20:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, so what stuff breaks in openmode, besides facebook? | 20:20 |
| Lilltiger | but can also me related to umounting the /home/user/.signon as well, did not try facebook in between | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | screw the facebook app | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | I'm doing my own :P | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also if anybody here is on #n9, i was wondering about power adapters | 20:21 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: anything from this set can fail: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=37457&postcount=225 | 20:22 |
| javispedro | read the rest of the thread for tests and reviews | 20:22 |
| RST38h | javispedro: urgh | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: oh crap, all that stuff fails? | 20:23 |
| javispedro | "can fail" | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | openmode = no maps? | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | given that the maps program is not a minor selling point... | 20:23 |
| javispedro | maps worked for me. your mileage may vary. | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, it's not a big deal if it's possible to get that stuff working...it's just that if unlocking the phone also broke half the phone functionality, that kinda kills the deal | 20:24 |
| javispedro | for example, it might not be able to access offline maps if you downloaded them, or it might not be able to use wi-fi positining, or .. | 20:24 |
| Lilltiger | maps works for me as well, only thing i found not working is the facebook app, also since the 1.1 upgrade my phone "locks" sometime (refuses to take input) so i have to push the lock button twice | 20:25 |
| RST38h | so, basically, the device is still majorly handicapped in the open mode? | 20:25 |
| Lilltiger | but that was before openmode.. so 1.1 issue | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, you should've stayed on Beta2 like me :P | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | I still need an unseal.ko for beta2 | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i wonder if it's possible to pwn the phone, dump aegisfs, and implant the contents after activating open mode | 20:26 |
| RST38h | MohammadAF: A retrograde! | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably not a small project in any case | 20:26 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: that is not the problem most of the time | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, the annoying device upgrade notification is non-removable | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | btw | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | honest question | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | if everything's locked down, why not move to a better platform? | 20:33 |
| javispedro | "why is not everyone of you trashing the n950 and moving to an iphone?" | 20:33 |
| javispedro | hah | 20:33 |
| javispedro | see, I knew the question! | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | awesome | 20:34 |
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| MohammadAG | iOS is actually a good platform | 20:34 |
| ieatlint | because i don't need to switch to an iphone to get shitty apps and a locked down user environment | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | it's just that developing for it would suck | 20:34 |
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| MohammadAG | unless you have a super awesome idea, your paid idea won't be bought | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | app* | 20:35 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: there is no better platform | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, shitty apps? | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | locked down user environment reminds me of Harmattan | 20:35 |
| ieatlint | MohammadAG: 90% of iphone apps are shitty | 20:35 |
| ieatlint | 95% of harmattan apps :P | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, comparing percentages isn't a good idea | 20:35 |
| Lilltiger | you got 5% good apps? | 20:35 |
| Lilltiger | shoe me them! | 20:36 |
| Lilltiger | how.. | 20:36 |
| Lilltiger | show | 20:36 |
| ieatlint | haha | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | 90% of a million or something isn't the same as comparing 10% of ... well, 10 | 20:36 |
| Lilltiger | I do like the Swype on the N9 | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | Basically, let's compare things | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | iOS, locked down, jailbreakable, works the same after jailbreaking | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | Harmattan, locked down, open-mode, handicapped after that | 20:36 |
| ieatlint | i still object to calling it ios... ios will always be cisco to me :P | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | Android, open, shitty, remove from comparison | 20:37 |
| javispedro | note that Harmattan also works the same after cracking it | 20:37 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Mobile platforms landscape is a freaking wasteland with Apple's unholy church in the middle | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | take out the apple from iOS | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | and it's really an awesome OS | 20:37 |
| ieatlint | actually i object, the harmattan dev mode works basically the same as iphone "jailbreak" for a LOT of things | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | the UI toolkit is the most rich I've ever seen | 20:37 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Mmm...notreally | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, why? | 20:37 |
| ieatlint | iphone is "good" because it has industry support | 20:37 |
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| ieatlint | that's it | 20:38 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: The iOS is heavily geared toward whatever Apple considered valid usages | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, I'm talking from a dev and user standpoint | 20:38 |
| ieatlint | if every company decided to pour millions into harmattan apps, it'd be the same | 20:38 |
| ieatlint | it's not the platform, it's the 3rd party support | 20:38 |
| RST38h | MohammadAGL One step in the "wrong" direction and you are utterly fucked, same as with MacOS | 20:38 |
| ieatlint | and nokia has always not done well there | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, agreed about that | 20:38 |
| ieatlint | let's face it, symbian c++ made obj c look like java | 20:38 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: The most realistic platform to jump to is Android | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | fuck that RST38h | 20:39 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Except, on the inside, it looks like an unholy Symbian clone rewritten in Java | 20:39 |
| javispedro | faced with Android and iOS, I would also probably jump to iOS | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | I used a Samsung Galaxy SII for a week | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | it's pathetic | 20:39 |
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| MohammadAG | also | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | iOS dev community > Android dev community | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | iOS: "Based on tests, this tweak should work fine your current version" | 20:40 |
| ieatlint | you and i have seen different parts of the community then | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | Android: "I changed some hex values and recompiled it, you might blow up but it worked for me!!11!" | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | User: "It didn't work, it segfaults for a proper reason" | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | Dev: "Apple fanboy, f*** off!!!1" | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, let's face it | 20:41 |
| ieatlint | because when i think iphone dev, i think guy in mismatched clothes and thick rimmed faux-glasses sitting in a coffee shop on a macbook who thinks he's awesome | 20:41 |
| ieatlint | but that's probably because i see that daily, constantly | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, I'm not talking app devs | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | I'm talking tweak devs | 20:42 |
| ieatlint | heh, i'd actually say the cynagenmod stuff is pretty well done | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, CM is the awesomest thing about android | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | the rest? | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | look at xda-devs | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | filled with illegal ROMs that are based on random shit | 20:43 |
| ieatlint | qt4/necessitas also not bad | 20:43 |
| Richlv | is it on topic to advertisa apple products here ? :) | 20:43 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: is there anything on iOS that is not illegal? | 20:43 |
| ieatlint | ok, so don't use that? | 20:43 |
| Richlv | because this starts to look like a paid advertisement campaign a bit | 20:43 |
| ieatlint | Richlv: yes, FUCKING BUY AN IPHONE NOW | 20:43 |
| Richlv | snap | 20:43 |
| ieatlint | no one will like you if you don't | 20:43 |
| Richlv | :) | 20:43 |
| Richlv | bah, i don't like change ! | 20:44 |
| RST38h | javispedro,Mohammad: If you are trying to push the point that both iOS and Android "developer communities" are filled with self important script kiddiez, you are preaching to the wrong guy | 20:44 |
| RST38h | I fucking KNOW. | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, I disagree | 20:44 |
| ieatlint | how about an awesome new windows phone from nokia then? | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, mostly android :P | 20:44 |
| javispedro | omg please don't. | 20:44 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: No, though, with Android you can at least hack at it, if you want to. With iOS you are screwed really well | 20:44 |
| ieatlint | haha, i'll stop :) | 20:44 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: No App Store for you. No root. No shell. | 20:45 |
| Richlv | can we just improve / use meego or something ? =) | 20:45 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: No USB mass storage. | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, hmm? | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | app store works, sshing as root works, there's a shell | 20:45 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Once you jailbreak iOS, you are no longer part of developer community | 20:45 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: you are part of jailbreakers community | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, I'm talking jailbreak community, not the official app store community | 20:46 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: well, if you want to stay with that, it is ok | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | take this guy as an example | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.highcaffeinecontent.com/ | 20:46 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: but it does mean no official apps, no official support, and every time there is firmware update, you treat it as a cockroach treating poisoned bait | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | he's an iOS dev, both official apps and jailbroken tweaks, he admires harmattan, he tests his releases, his tweaks are never illegal etc | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, that's the same with Harmattan! | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | you go open mode, your facebook app breaks, your bootloader bitches about void warranty (whereas this doesn't happen on iOS) | 20:47 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: But Harmattan is a non-platform, sadly =( | 20:47 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: no, it's not the same. | 20:48 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: you can also crack harmattan open, and then everything works as it should. | 20:48 |
| RST38h | remember, the question is where to go FROM harmattan | 20:48 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: when we talk about open mode it is truly supported open mode. | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, then what's the facebook issue someone mentioned? | 20:48 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: which Apple doesn't have. | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, true, but do we? | 20:48 |
| RST38h | to me, Android feelsmore pliable, albeit messy like hell | 20:48 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: yes, we do. | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, where? | 20:49 |
| javispedro | ~aegis-no-thanks | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | if this is the open mode kernel | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | it voids warranty | 20:49 |
| javispedro | touché | 20:51 |
| javispedro | albeit legally it can't be done at least in EU | 20:51 |
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| javispedro | the same applies to Apple of course. The difference being that Nokia is not supposed to play cat&mouse with the openmode kernel, and instead actually help with it, but that's yet to be seen. | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | so again, what's the difference? | 20:52 |
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| MohammadAG | nested MWidgets crash upon deletion apparently | 20:53 |
| Richlv | what's the point of this ? i don't think nokia execs read this. i don't think people here will throw out their n9s and run to the cult^Wapple churches^Wstores to buy shiny thingies | 20:54 |
| RST38h | In principle, there may not be a difference | 20:55 |
| RST38h | In practice, there is more you can do with Android than with iOS | 20:56 |
| RST38h | Even if you only consider the breadth of devices awailable | 20:56 |
| RST38h | available, sorry | 20:56 |
| ieatlint | MohammadAG: perhaps try deleteLater? | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, same | 20:56 |
| ieatlint | hah | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, bug in MTF I guess, switching to nested MLayouts works | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | Richlv, just sayin' | 20:57 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: at least for me, the difference is that I'm still optimistic because of the n900 times. | 20:57 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, N900 times were way better than this | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | we had extras for distribution | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | we had a shitty but working app manager that directly uses apt | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | we had a proper UI toolkit, Gtk, Hildon, and Qt (further in) | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | all 3 ran natively, and performed well even on 256MBs of RAM | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | we had no security framework to prevent us from doing stuff | 20:59 |
| Iktwo | javispedro: MohammadAG: you have done a great work, thanks for that, yeah N900 times were perfect, I hope N9 will get better | 20:59 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: But that was before the onslaught of career minded middle management inside Maemo Devices | 20:59 |
| ieatlint | qt ran natively, but non-standard | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, still, it was themed natively | 21:00 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: I've said optimistic because of n900 times; it implicitly means that I thought N900 times were better. | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | Harmattan times: | 21:00 |
| ieatlint | that's what i mean... widgets were incredibly different | 21:00 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: When you join their ranks, you will soon understand that what you already have is not important. The important thing is how much future work you can sell to the upper management | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | no extras, no app managers, MTF is deprecated, QML is... meh | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | we have 1GHz, 1GB of RAM, yet apps take 5s to start | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | calc on Fremantle starts faster than Harmattan | 21:01 |
| Iktwo | what about nemo mobile? does it have a future? | 21:01 |
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| RST38h | When everything is done, you are going to be laid off. Hence, redo everything from scratch as many times as possible | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | not really | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, well that sentence explains why iOS took ages to add MMS and copy/paste | 21:02 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: iOS is a religious object, they obey different rules =) | 21:02 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: But the above explanation of mine certainly describes Android evolution. | 21:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 snorks | 21:03 | |
| frals | facebook app most likely breaks in "openmode" due to the data is stored in aegisfs | 21:03 |
| frals | if you make sure the dir where the application saves the data is available it should work just fine | 21:03 |
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| javispedro | frals: that's what happens indeed; aegisfs breaks, my list of apps that can fail is just a list of all apps that use aegisfs | 21:03 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: "Eldar Murtazin gives RIM six months to win back customers, says Nokia is selling its soul to Microsoft" | 21:04 |
| frals | i dont consider it surprising that apps depending on feature x breaks if feature x is broken | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | what does the app store in aegisfs frals | 21:04 |
| frals | MohammadAG: pretty much everything except images | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | MohammadAG gives Eldar Murtazin an iPhone, waits for him to disappear | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Poor guy is still there, acting royal. | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | frals, aegis is broken, harmattan works :P | 21:05 |
| frals | MohammadAG: if aegisfs doesnt work how is it surprising anything using aegisfs doesnt work? :P | 21:05 |
| Richlv | didn't now who som "eldar" is, quick search also found : | 21:06 |
| Richlv | According to Eldar Murtazin's and source,. “Stephen Elop will resign in the end of 2012 (begin of 2013 according to another source). | 21:06 |
| Richlv | :D | 21:06 |
| * MohammadAG puts on Myan hat: the end of 2012 won't exist | 21:07 | |
| ieatlint | my calendar just ended a couple days ago and yet we're all still here | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | it didn't end, aegis just didn't allow you to see the rest | 21:09 |
| ieatlint | yes it did, i gave it my cc number | 21:09 |
| javispedro | frals: the problem is that changing aegisfs settings so that it does break havoc (even disabling it is more sensible than what aegisfs does in openmode) utterly destroys any chances to go back to closed (because aegisfs config is obviously protected), and, at the same time, some apps still refuse to work even with aegisfs gone and the mountpoint writable, such as browser/certman | 21:10 |
| javispedro | *so that it does not break havoc | 21:10 |
| frals | javispedro: ok, sounsd bad that browser stops working even if the mountpoint is there.. any app ive been involved in should do the right thing as long as the mount point is there at least ;) | 21:12 |
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| javispedro | in some bug reports there has been some comments that "this was not supposed to be the way to enter openmode", but god knows. | 21:12 |
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| javispedro | frals: ah no, the aegisfs mountpoint is not there, rather "something else" that is writable | 21:12 |
| javispedro | (aegisfs refuses writes outright, and even reads for encrypted storages) | 21:13 |
| frals | javispedro: well, i expect it to work as long as something that looks the same is there and writable (usually a dir) | 21:13 |
| javispedro | yeah, that. | 21:13 |
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| javispedro | well, browser doesn't work with that :) | 21:13 |
| javispedro | signond as someone said a few days ago iirc | 21:13 |
| javispedro | *signond did work | 21:13 |
| javispedro | and probably facebook will do :) | 21:13 |
| frals | javispedro: makes sense to deny reads for encrypted storages even in openmode, otherwise someone gets your device -> flashes openmode kernel -> all your data is readable | 21:14 |
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| frals | i hoped it would not mount the stuff thou so the dirs would be rw and stuff wouldnt break | 21:14 |
| javispedro | frals: yes; but a more "compatible" behavior with our interests would be to fallback to something that lets the application still work | 21:14 |
| javispedro | exactly | 21:14 |
| javispedro | of course, this is not compatible with the interests of aegis designers :) | 21:15 |
| javispedro | because a silent fallback to unencrypted sounds like a security risk from a mile. | 21:15 |
| frals | :[ | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG | it is | 21:16 |
| frals | doesnt the huge warrany warning show up when you are in openmode? | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | but allowing the user to go unencrypted at their will... | 21:16 |
| frals | i mean i get that silent fallback is bad, but you dont accidently end up in open mode | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | frals, true, but what if aegis fails in closed mode? | 21:17 |
| frals | MohammadAG: i assume it knows if its a malfunction or if the device is in open mode | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS, there's not sevurity risk in openmode, regarding protection of your SEKRIT private data encrypted in aegisfs | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | what sucks though is that ssl-certs can't get restored when there's no aegisfs | 21:19 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: didn't that guy try restoring them manually, and it didn't work either? | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the mere fact yet to get confirmed) | 21:20 |
| javispedro | they do get restored, because certs are not encrypted | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably some supersecuritynazi thought "duh, what when a malware umounts .certs aegisfs and the writes its own certs there | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | " | 21:22 |
| javispedro | a supersecuritynazi :D | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and thus browser won't accept certs that aren't stored in aegisfs | 21:22 |
| Lilltiger | hmm how does security relate to national socialism? :p | 21:23 |
| javispedro | meanwhile, http://nokiainnovation.com/2011/12/looks-like-meego-is-making-apple-fan-boys-drool/ lol | 21:24 |
| ieatlint | i look away for a minute and suddenly the conversation has turned to national socialism? | 21:24 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: but you can't help turn it back to iphone by looking at the above link! | 21:24 |
| javispedro | *can (pfft, what a day) | 21:24 |
| ieatlint | but all i hear is iphone people screaming about how the n9 is an iphone knock-off | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 21:25 |
| ieatlint | it's even the same shape as an iphone, rectangular and all! | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf?? | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | !seen infobot | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably ibot earned a kickban for that X-P That'S why she's missing now | 21:28 |
| javispedro | your fault | 21:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer giggles | 21:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | or yours | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, infobot offline once more. She doesn't cope well with mad netsplits | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tim already online, which is usually a good sign | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | aww, I missed segfaults | 21:32 |
| MohammadAG | the ones you can debug, not the ones on iOS | 21:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer hand a few segfaults to MohammadAG - he didn't need a single one during the last weeks so has a few spare ones | 21:32 | |
| MohammadAG | I don't get why my app is segfaulting | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | thumb ;-P | 21:34 |
| gri | Does QSound support the system profiles (no sound when "silent")? | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | QFontEngine: Glyph neither outline nor bitmap format=0 | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | load glyph failed err=6 face=0x24f9b8, glyph=993 | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | QSound is deprecated and shouldn't be used | 21:44 |
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| javispedro | and QAudioOutput is broken in harm | 21:46 |
| javispedro | audio is a disaster on Qt | 21:46 |
| javispedro | multimediakit is shaping up to be nice, but it needs some work still... | 21:47 |
| * RST38h sighs: audio is the first thing every well-intentioned idiot of API architector tends to break | 21:48 | |
| RST38h | That *and* the build. | 21:49 |
| RST38h | (behold: Qmake and Moc in all their glory) | 21:49 |
| vandenoever | it's pulseaudio, it works by definition | 21:49 |
| RST38h | vandenoever: Only works if you slaughter Lennart on the night of full moon and drag his corpse around the giant cardboard penguin 13 times, in clockwise direction | 21:50 |
| * vandenoever senses some anger | 21:50 | |
| ieatlint | i can confirm that fix first-hand | 21:50 |
| Richlv | nono, it's the packagers' fault | 21:52 |
| Richlv | so i heard | 21:52 |
| javispedro | it's Ubuntu's fault | 21:52 |
| vandenoever | i though redhat hired lennart | 21:52 |
| javispedro | which is why he hates ubuntu and canonical =) | 21:53 |
| gri | javispedro, MohammadAG: So does the SoundEffect of QtMobility work then? | 21:53 |
| * vandenoever has Qaudioinput working on desktop and n950 btw | 21:53 | |
| javispedro | vandenoever: try QAudioOutput->play(IODevice*) | 21:53 |
| javispedro | which is the one used for sound effects btw | 21:54 |
| javispedro | it has a bug where it will randomly blocks of the file | 21:54 |
| vandenoever | oh, but i use it from memory | 21:54 |
| javispedro | and, for longer files, eventually say buffer underrun and stop right there | 21:54 |
| javispedro | *it will randomly ignore blocks of the file | 21:54 |
| vandenoever | javispedro: i guess you need to add a QBuffer in between | 21:55 |
| javispedro | fixed in PR1.2, supposedly | 21:55 |
| vandenoever | as a workaround | 21:55 |
| vandenoever | yay latency | 21:55 |
| javispedro | vandenoever: no, it will fail with any iodevice | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny enough I hate ubunu err buntkuh, lennart, and canonical | 21:55 |
| vandenoever | javispedro: ok, i dont know i use it by filling it with events | 21:55 |
| javispedro | vandenoever: http://www.qtforum.org/article/36893/curious-problem-with-qaudiooutput-on-harmattan.html https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-1948 | 21:56 |
| vandenoever | audioOutput->start(myiodevice); | 21:56 |
| vandenoever | then implement qint64 readData(char* data, qint64 maxSize) in myiodevice | 21:57 |
| javispedro | vandenoever: you will get stuttering, it will call readData(...), and even if you return N bytes, only write M to Pulse | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | wasn't PA meant to be SIMPLER and MORE RELIABLE and BETTER DOCUMENTED and and way mor LEET than ALSA? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAA | 21:59 |
| * Clint shudders. | 21:59 | |
| javispedro | vandenoever: but hey, it should be fixed in PR1.2, one of the reasons I'm craving for it :) | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and especially PA has NO LATENCY issues, by definition ;-P | 21:59 |
| vandenoever | javispedro: when'll that be released? | 22:00 |
| vandenoever | also, why does current music player and phone work atm then? | 22:00 |
| javispedro | none use qtmultimediakit at all | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot! RESURRECT! | 22:00 |
| javispedro | music player uses qmafw which uses gstreamer directly, and phone I do not know but it probably uses PA directly | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | bashin lennart is no fun without her help | 22:01 |
| Richlv | sorry for a lame question, but does n9 use purely sw mixer ? | 22:02 |
| Richlv | and if so, which one is it ? | 22:02 |
| javispedro | Richlv: Pulseaudio | 22:02 |
| Richlv | thanks | 22:02 |
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| javispedro | meanwhile, if you are using qtmultimediakit in your app, you can now use the radio tuner of the N9/N950 http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=37733&postcount=139 :) | 22:06 |
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| M4rtinK | anobody got an idea how the Apps for MeeGo QA actually works ? | 22:08 |
| javispedro | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Submit | 22:08 |
| javispedro | and http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Community_QA | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | most importantly since when is the qarantine counted | 22:09 |
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| M4rtinK | since I made the last update about on 20.12. | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | but its still sitting in the queue: http://apps.formeego.com/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Graphics/mieru/ | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | or is it since the day it got enough testing reports ? | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | also some feedback like a "Community QA passed" email would be nice | 22:13 |
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| Richlv | javispedro, hmm, so the only thing missing for a radio capability on n9 is an app ? that would be quite nice, as i wished for one a few days ago :) | 22:24 |
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| javispedro | actually, later today I think I'm going to do an app to tune the radio from my metawatch =) | 22:40 |
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| * RST38h wonders what the quarantine/etc crap is at the appsformeego: after all, there is no Nokia to care about it | 22:45 | |
| RST38h | So, why artifically prevent your own repository/site from becoming populating with apps? | 22:46 |
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| RST38h | s/populating/populated | 22:47 |
| M4rtinK | well, the process for submitting an app is already not that easy to begin with | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | my iPod was stolen | 22:47 |
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| MohammadAG | I found the approximate location using find my iphone | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | problem is, no GPS = wifi location so it's approximate | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | can I ask the police to help? | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think yoiu for sure can ask - the reaction depends on your flavour of police, and also on the way you ask them | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I know a lot of police are thieves themselves | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp in southern Europe | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably also in USA | 22:50 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Of course you can ask the police to help! The question is, will they? | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: can't you wait until the iPad is in a lecture where everything is supposed to be quiet, then make it yell with an awful alarm sound | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | iPod | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or wait, there's a way to do active triangulation for WiFi, using special APs. Or you use an AP-repeater with low TX power, and walk around until you detect the iPod associates to that prtable AP | 22:55 |
| M4rtinK | what about doing a traceroute ? | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | with airodump (and probably also with kismet) you can trace the iPod WiFi and watch the signal level | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's not close | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | but I can get close to it | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | tomorrow | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the idea | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh! >> Dear joerg900, Please be aware that we will be discontinuing web-based viewing of Contacts on the web after January 24, 2012. Contacts on your Nokia phone will not be affected, and syncing or backup of data will continue normally. You can also easily export your synced contacts to your personal computer at any time—even after web access to Contacts is discontinued. For more information about this change, please visit our | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Contacts Q&A page. We hope you continue to enjoy our other Nokia services. << | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | ...while you can :) | 23:06 |
| gri | http://pastebin.com/AD5nPAaf <-- wtf? Why does the same package work in debug mode but release can't be packaged .. | 23:06 |
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| MohammadAG | I called the police | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | they said I have to go to the local station | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | where the fuck is that | 23:11 |
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| wirwe | hey. i still have the problem with having two icons of one application on my homescreen. in my /usr/share/applications -folder is only one .desktop-file for camera-ui. any ideas? | 23:25 |
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| thp | javispedro: so, did you merge my code gui code or do i have to rewrite it (fmrx)? | 23:49 |
| thp | (i think i forgot if you said you could merge it or if you were to change the daemon and the patch would be obsolete then) | 23:49 |
| javispedro | thp: I didn't because I ran out of time :) working on sowatch a bit more now | 23:49 |
| javispedro | thp: it is obsolete, because the app can now be made a standard qtquick app that uses QRadioTuner from qt mobility | 23:50 |
| javispedro | well, qradiotuner is not in qml, but it is in plainqt.. | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wirwe: mv your /usr/share/applications/*.desktop to some temporary hideaway parking position like ~root/. You'll see if both or just one icon vanishes with that (after a reboot obviously :-D ) | 23:57 |
| thp | javispedro: ok :) | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might have a second *.desktop file at one of the alternative locations. I think in ~user/ there's one, in /usr/local another | 23:58 |
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