IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-01-03

thpmacmaN: it's just a small one-night get-together00:00
thpmacmaN: but if you have time, come :)00:00
macmaNwith these distances, i could really use the 3 months notification of the last one :>00:00
thpfeel free to organize something more local to you :) we could have a skype video hookup if we sync the dates00:01
thp(or at least idling around on irc, which might be more appropriate)00:01
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swedzincan anyone help me with installing filemanager to my N9?00:16
SpeedEvilWhat do you mean?00:18
swedzin   im following this guide00:18
swedzini can browse to /MyDocs/00:19
swedzinbut it seems there's nothing in there00:19
swedzinwhen i input ls command it shows nothing00:19
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thpok, announcement is out:
ieatlintooh, no hands picture00:22
swedzinshouldn't /home/user/MyDocs/ directory be what you first see when you open N9 with your computer when its connected ass mass memory device?00:22
merlin1991thp: gotta love the cssu ad you placed there ;)00:23
thpyep, too few people actually know about it. i constantly (as in every other month that i run into a n900 users) have to tell people to install it00:24
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DocScrutinizerwhat a netsplit, eh?00:25
javispedroDocScrutinizer: you had fun in the little alternate reality?00:25
DocScrutinizereven took 6 others as hostages00:26
merlin1991something was wrong with that netsplit :D00:27
DocScrutinizerswedzin: MyDocs is indeed the dir you see on PC when mass storage mode. Note though that it is empty on device as long as content got exported to PC00:28
javispedroyour client probably has some timeout to be able to do that nicely formate netsplit list00:28
merlin1991javispedro: nah, DocScrutinizer simply has to stop breaking the space time continoum00:29
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DocScrutinizeraaaaw, it's so much fun!00:29
infobotmerlin1991 meant: javispedro: nah, DocScrutinizer simply has to stop breaking the space time continuum00:29
swedzini transfered this .deb file to MyDocs but i can't see it in N9 terminal00:31
swedzinis there something im doing wrong?00:31
DocScrutinizeryes, probably. Unplug USB00:34
swedzini did00:35
swedzinand still when i cd to /home/user/MyDocs and input ls, i get nothing00:35
DocScrutinizerls -laR ~user/MyDocs00:35
ieatlintare you just unplugging the n9, or are you properly syncing/ejecting it?00:38
DocScrutinizersorry, when you cd to ~user/MyDocs while it's mounted on PC, you most likely will see an empty . aka current directory, even after unplugging N9 from PC00:39
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DocScrutinizerI don't think the filehandle to cwd that the shell allocates by cd ~user/MyDocs will notice when the true MyDocs gets mounted over it00:40
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DocScrutinizercd ..00:40
DocScrutinizerls MyDocs00:41
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DocScrutinizermessing with phantom dirs hidden under mountpoints is a real fun topic, inly for experts though00:42
Jareit's just great that i've got 58 gigabytes of vfat in n9 and cannot copy >4GB files on it :B00:42
DocScrutinizerwell, say "thank you VFAT"00:43
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ieatlinti wonder if it's possible to switch that to ext3 or something00:43
DocScrutinizerhaha, under HARM? under **AEGIS**?00:44
javispedrofrom all the people in the world, vivainio recomending we fork android? :(00:44
ieatlintyeah :(00:44
ieatlinti imagine fstab is aegis protected00:44
javispedroJare: its a problem with VFAT, not the N900:44
DocScrutinizerI bet there's no real fstab at all, just like on fremantle00:44
Jarei have said that millions of times since dvd etc movies became popular and windows still uset fat32 ;)00:45
javispedrothis reminds me of some webos reviewer saying that webos wasn't able to play videos larger than 4GiB while his android phone was able to "from his SD card"00:45
javispedroreviewers... pfft.00:45
javispedroJare: ms is absolutely fine with it as they have some nice patents on vfat00:46
DocScrutinizerpatents? on that BS? :-o00:46
javispedroin fact they have patents BECAUSE it is BS00:47
* DocScrutinizer wonders what the hell you could patent on VFAT00:47
javispedrothey do not own patent on NTFS00:47
javispedro*any patent00:47
DocScrutinizerwhat's the patent in it? the 8.3 filenames?00:48
ieatlintwtf, recruiters from kenya are contacting me00:49
DocScrutinizerforget it :-D00:49
SpeedEvilit's long filename ->8.3 mapping IIRC00:49
Jareisn't ntfs supported under linux nowadays?00:49
javispedroDocScrutinizer: I remember one regarding the crap-workaround they use for storing long file names in fat1600:49
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: thought exactly that, yeah00:49
javispedro(aka VFAT)00:49
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ieatlintSpeedEvil: it is, mostly00:50
wirwehi, who has an idea where to report bugs that occure doing an `apt-get install`?00:50
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ieatlintbut i would never trust it with data i really cared about00:50
merlin1991wirwe: depending on the error I'd say to the developer of the package you're trying to install00:51
wirwemerlin1991: it's like `Diese Pakete ohne Überprüfung installieren [j/N]? y00:51
wirwemeans: that j/N doesn't work, but y00:52
merlin1991oh that is a bug towards apt-get ist00:52
merlin1991*itself* then00:52
merlin1991so the public bugtracker I guess00:52
wirweok, thanks00:53
DocScrutinizerN should work anyway00:54
wirwenein and no is the same, hell yes! :-D00:55
DocScrutinizerNo and Nein are pretty compatible regarding that00:55
merlin1991I never notice that kind of bug, because every since I had it once (i think it was with apt) I just press y always00:55
merlin1991because pretty much every application supports y as a fallback to j if it is translated to german00:55
DocScrutinizerhehe, same here00:56
ieatlinti wonder if that's fixed upstream00:56
Jareand exfat isn't yet fully supported under linux.. so there are currently no other options for mass storage filesystem than vfat :/00:56
merlin1991ieatlint: I BET nokia did slap their own l10n ontop of apt00:56
DocScrutinizerI never would know as all my rot accounts run under LANG=C00:57
ieatlintlocalized input validation is more annoying than just localized text00:57
merlin1991ieatlint: and so upstream probably doesn't have the problem :D00:57
wirweso it wouldn't be a problem for anyone if they write [y/N] :-D00:57
ieatlintmerlin1991: could well be00:58
ieatlintespecially if the y/j would be a localized string in the comparison00:58
DocScrutinizer[Ok/Abort] or [Ok/Abbrechen]00:58
* javispedro gives up00:59
javispedrook I am going to setup a caldav server on my own host00:59
DocScrutinizeron what?00:59
javispedroanyone has any suggestions on a specific server that works with the harmattan calendar app?00:59
merlin1991javispedro: mfe ;))00:59
DocScrutinizeruse a decent OS, use fremantle!01:00
javispedrocaldav, not some microsoft piece of explosive01:00
javispedroI very much prefer Apple's piece of explosive =)01:00
DocScrutinizercomes with decent resistive touchscreen, and even hw kbd ;-D01:00
javispedroit does not support caldav at all01:00
javispedroso I would be forced to use MFE01:01
Rtt831Hi, I installed espeak from fremantle and it works flawlessly, but I'm wondering if could develop and application that uses it and uploded it to the store, I'm not sure if the license is ok with that, can someone tell me if that could be done?01:01
ieatlintyou shouldn't be using apple software with non-apple products.  they disapprove01:01
merlin1991you don't want to meet disapproving zombie steve01:02
ieatlintyou should be stroking a brand new iphone 4s while on your new macbook pro anxiously reading rumours about the ipad301:02
DocScrutinizerthe *licence* of espeak shouldn't be your problem01:02
Jareyou might lose your warranty, if you use apple with non-apple products ;)01:02
Rtt831thanks DocScrutinizer01:02
kimjuieatlint, itym "you shouldn't be using non-apple products, they disapproves"01:02
merlin1991Jare: I think the warranty is over after you *used* an apple01:03
javispedroDocScrutinizer: Rtt831: the problem is that you are going to redistribute espeak on the ovi store?01:03
Rtt831I want to do it01:03
Rtt831is it possible?01:03
ieatlintkimju: yes, but you also need to accuse all others of stealing from apple01:05
ieatlint"omg, the n9 has a list of icons to launch applications. such a fucking knock off of the iphone"01:05
ieatlintfeel free to substitute the icons in that sentence with just about any generic feature01:06
javispedroyou do not have to statically link to it (it must be a dynamic library or a separate executable) and you must give the users of your application a written offer somewhere for the source code of espeak if they desire to download it01:06
Rtt831javispedro: thanks01:06
ieatlintnote that espeak appears to be gpl01:08
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ieatlintso it may require that your application also be gpl01:08
javispedronot if you do not link to it01:08
javispedro_statically_ link to it01:08
ieatlintstatically linking to it definitely requires all gpl, but the lgpl was created to address dynamic linking01:09
ieatlintah licencing... :P01:09
ieatlint ... but i generally take anything i read on with a grain of salt01:10
javispedrooh you are right, I messed up01:11
javispedrotoo distracted =)01:11
ieatlintyeah, gpl is just a mess of claims :(01:11
SpeedEvilI came up with a neat wheeze to completely bypass GPLV201:12
SpeedEvilYou arrange for your software supplier to ship you an encrypted image of source code.01:12
SpeedEvilGPL'd source01:12
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SpeedEvilYou then copy this onto your device, and then send it to the customer.01:12
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SpeedEvilAt the customers premesis, you compile it automagically.01:13
javispedroyou didn't discover this, gentoo did =)01:13
SpeedEvilKeeping it in an encrypted filesystem, with anti-tamper and everything.01:13
SpeedEvilSo you never distribute any object code.01:13
javispedrothe reason I have firefox with official branding here is because I built it myself and gentoo never distributed01:13
SpeedEvilAnd your only obligation is limited to credit01:13
javispedroand the patented truetype hinter, and so many other stuff that gentoo workarounded using that =)01:14
SpeedEvilEven if you're breaking the spirit of the GPL,as you're not making the code available to the user. You don't have to.01:14
ieatlintwell, i only release things under the gpl to be an asshole01:15
ieatlintso screw you all01:15
ieatlintand steal my code and i'll pay for RMS to visit your house01:15
SpeedEvilI consider actually doing the above to be morally wrong - but belive it's quite legal.01:16
javispedroRtt831: so, please note that I was wrong, dynamic linking with espeak is not allowed either.01:20
DocScrutinizererrr, it isn't allowed?01:21
npmi think stealing is allowed, it's hoarding that's against the law.01:21
npmof RMS01:21
SpeedEvilI'm annoyed that many things still haven't put back GIF01:21
javispedroDocScrutinizer: ookkk, dynamic linking with a nonGPL app01:21
DocScrutinizerI'd say it's publishing binary-only code that links against GPl .so that's not allowed01:21
SpeedEvilI suppose you can have binary only GPL.01:22
SpeedEvilIf you're wierd enough to code it directly in hex01:22
DocScrutinizerif your code is GPL as well, you for sure may link against GPL libs01:22
DocScrutinizerand nota bene you even may sell your own as well as most GPL code for as much as you like, as long as you provide the source for all of it01:23
DocScrutinizerwhere "provide" is a fuzzy term01:24
javispedrowow, rpm support in madde =)01:25
DocScrutinizerRPM4 ?01:25
javispedromeego rpm =)01:25
javispedrobtw, can I start craving for PR1.2? :D01:26
DocScrutinizererrrr *cough* erhrhrrrerr *cough*01:26
DocScrutinizer~dict craving01:26
infobotDictionary 'craving' (1 of 4): a habit, acquired tolerance, acute alcoholism, addictedness, addiction, alcoholism, amphetamine withdrawal symptoms, an universal wolf, appetence, appetency, appetite, appetition, athirst, barbiturate addiction, barbiturism, chain smoking, chronic alcoholism, cocainism, consumed with desire, coveting, crash, dependence, devoured by desire, dipsomania, drug addiction, drug culture, drug dependence, fervid, habituation, ...01:26
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javispedroaiui it brings bluetooth's message access profile support :)01:28
DocScrutinizerwow, the most fsckdup dict item I've ever seen :-D01:28
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swedzinanyone know if there is a way to copy your sms messages from one phone to another?01:39
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itsnotabigtruckugh, on the topic of the gpl - it seems like the main party that the gpl works against is other open source developers02:47
itsnotabigtruckthere's many cases of commercial vendors being undeterred by it02:47
itsnotabigtruckand at the same time, many cases of perfectly open software having important libraries be unavailable because the gpl is too bloody aggressive02:48
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itsnotabigtruckanyone know where the flasher and unlzo utilities are? i'm looking for how to dump the firmware from the .bin blob, and keep seeing references to those, but i'm not sure where they're available from03:00
itsnotabigtruckah, found flasher, so nm on that...didn't realize it was linux only (makes sense though)03:01
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auenf"Edit – Quote from Vodafone...03:39
auenfThe Nokia N9 is out of stock and is what we consider "end of life" which means that we will no longer be stocking this device. Our online store and means of ordering over the phone will no longer be able to provide this device to you."03:39
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itsnotabigtruckauenf: whoa, that was quick04:06
itsnotabigtruckthe n9 launched what, 5 months ago?04:06
itsnotabigtruckif i could get an n9 for $400 or less i'd buy one and start hacking on it in ten seconds...i'm tempted to for $550 but it still seems way too high fwiw04:07
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Tronicauenf: Oh, that's how they are going to cripple the sales figures.04:33
TronicPossibly clauses on MS agreement preventing manufacturing of competing smartphones after 2011?04:34
Tronic(or selling it in key markets)04:35
itsnotabigtruckwhat's ridiculous is that they aren't even launching the good nokia wp7 phones in the US04:36
itsnotabigtruckt-mobile is subsidizing the 710, which looks absolutely awful04:37
itsnotabigtruckas opposed to the 800 which at least has the n9 chassis04:37
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javispedroomh my own caldav server05:23
javispedronow I can properly implement workarounds for all those buggy clients on the server side, where they belong05:23
auenfeven tho n9 is aparently EOL here05:31
auenfi doubt 800 will be sold here05:31
auenfunless the huge amount of n9 advertising will 'trick' people into getting the 800 instead05:31
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ScifigMorning. Does anyone have the Skype Account UI installed?06:56
ScifigI'm looking for the skype.service and related provider/service-type files from /usr/share/accounts/ folder.06:57
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TronicScifig: I think I saw macmaN blog about it.07:47
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ScifigTronic, I tried this
ScifigBut "Package account-plugin-skype has no installation candidate"07:51
ScifigI get this ^^ error when I try to apt-get install account-plugin-skype07:52
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ScifigAah, my bad. I misread the blog and put rm680 in the repo URL. It should left as 001 only. Finally skype account UI installed.07:58
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itsnotabigtruckScifig: any idea what tool is needed to unpack the N9's rom image?08:18
itsnotabigtrucki read something about 'flasher' but the version i found seems not to have the requisite -u argument, so i must have the wrong one08:18
itsnotabigtruckalso hmm, if skype uses a plugin, it must be possible to implement secure voice with a plugin08:19
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Scifigitsnotabigtruck, Are you talking about the OneClickFlasher image for N9? I am not sure whether OCF is available for N9. I have an N950.08:30
ScifigSkype uses telepathy-spirit which is a closed source Telepathy Connection Manager. It is possible to create a custom connection manager like spirit or sofiasip that handles calls.08:32
ScifigTelepathy-sofiasip is open source (Nokia adds their customizations to it), but I don't know whether it handles secure calls at all.08:35
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itsnotabigtruckScifig: i don't think this is oneclickflasher, but it could be08:39
itsnotabigtruckafaik telepathy has no security features whatsoever, though that means it could be added, rebuilt, and swapped in then08:39
itsnotabigtruckalso from what i found on teh interwebs, i thought the N950 was only available as a loaner unit08:40
itsnotabigtruckthe idea is .bin file (d/led with navifirm) -> compressed image -> decompressed image, and flasher is needed for that 1st conversion08:41
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Scifigitsnotabigtruck, I don't have an N9 to play with. So, I'll let the experts here help with the flashing.08:49
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Scifigitsnotabigtruck, Are you planning on creating a plugin for secure voice calls?08:50
itsnotabigtruckScifig: neither do i :p i was hoping to see what's inside the firmware, precisely because i don't08:51
itsnotabigtruckand i was contemplating it08:51
itsnotabigtrucksomebody needs to do it, and nokia isn't :|08:52
itsnotabigtruckseems like no one takes communications security seriously anymore08:52
dm8tbrplease stop trolling.08:53
* dm8tbr has a SIP/TLS account enabled to a trusted server.08:53
dm8tbrif you need more, then implement it server-side08:54
itsnotabigtrucktrolling? you're kidding me, and the problem is that ^ just doesn't scale that well08:54
itsnotabigtruckreally what you need is end to end key agreement, and that's where zrtp comes in08:54
dm8tbrwrite a telepathy plugin, be a hero.08:55
itsnotabigtruckright, of course then you're still dealing with SIP, which is its own problem08:55
itsnotabigtruckalso the most popular sip server blocked all encrypted calls up until the latest version, and it still blocks zrtp08:56
dm8tbrthat's not a nokia problem, is it?08:56
itsnotabigtruckno, but it seems like a no-win situation08:56
itsnotabigtruckbad standards, bad software, etc. - it's an industry problem08:57
itsnotabigtruckbut you're right that sip being awful isn't a nokia problem08:57
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itsnotabigtruckdm8tbr: hmm, hold on, are you sure you're using SRTP with your N9?09:09
itsnotabigtruckor just an SSL'd SIP connection09:10
itsnotabigtruckit doesn't look like there's been any motion on this bug
itsnotabigtruckso if you're not sure, make sure to packet trace that stuff before saying anything confidential...anyway, i need to sleep09:15
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superdumpi'm looking for the current release image and perhaps emmc for sweden for the n911:45
superdumpit seems my newly purchased n9 is stuck on 10.2011.34-1.232.2_PR_23211:46
auenfNSU doesnt list the update?11:46
superdumpi have a flasher tool from my work (i work on the camera software on the n9)11:46
superdumpassuming nsu is the updates tab of the manage applications page11:47
superdumpand i've had the phone for a couple of weeks11:47
auenfNSU == nokia software updater11:47
auenfwindows app11:47
superdumpi don't use windows (linux)11:47
auenfPR1.1 shows up in NSU for me, but not in manage applications (OTA) yet11:48
auenfthe other option would be navifirm if you want to head down that route11:49
superdumpi have an internal nokia flasher because i work on the n9, i'm mostly looking for the firmware image for the currently publically available stuff11:50
superdumpas i'm not sure precisely which it should be11:50
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juergbisuperdump: pr1.1 is 20.2011.40-411:51
auenfnavifirm probably has the image file you want to use11:52
auenfaltho only OTA update will avoid you having to reinstall stuff11:52
superdumpjuergbi: ok, thanks11:52
auenfbut if its a brand new device, that shouldnt be an issue11:52
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superdumpit's new as of a few weeks11:54
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marsjeI was wondering... I read some people managed to change the product ID of there N9 (to another region)12:32
marsjewhat if I change it from one where no PR1.1 is available to one where there is a PR1.1 available... Will I get the OTA update?12:32
marsje(and avoid flashing it myself)12:34
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kevin_bHello guys, is there anyway to detect and use printer from n9?13:02
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RST38hRiM selling both 16GB and 64GB PlayBooks for $29913:18
RST38hSo, "buy" or "wait until $99"?13:18
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kevin_b200€ in France ;)13:23
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kevin_bjust needa seek a bit13:24
kevin_bother topic : Cannot install invalid package : is it because it would be a PR 1.0 package?13:25
RST38hno idea, you have to see the package13:26
kevin_bI want irc on my N9 but IrcChatter does not install13:26
RST38hmay have the wrong architecture for example13:26
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kevin_bit s armel deb happened with IrcChatter, or another fuynky vlc package13:27
RST38hare you installing it with dpkg?13:27
kevin_bmight be that13:27
RST38hTry installing it with dpkg, you will get more debug output13:28
kevin_bbut I got hard time trying to install utilities like wget from dev menu13:28
kevin_bin wifi it never worked, needa switch over 3G13:28
kevin_band then wget, nano and such installed well over 3G13:28
kevin_bok thanks RST38h13:29
RST38hkevin_b, there is no need to familiarize everyone present with the long list of things that did not work for you =)13:29
kevin_bok I thought at least one person would be interested :p13:30
kevin_bbecause I would have been in my case few days ago ;)à13:30
RST38hEven I am not interested, kevin_b, just matching your issue against the most likely cause.13:30
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kevin_bCan I boost wifi one way or another?13:36
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kevin_b<3 shell on N9 :)13:41
phakokevin_b: there's one thing you can do but it will increase power consumption by factor 20 and you most likely don't want that13:45
kevin_bok, there no 2x,3x,10x factor I guess thanks anyway13:46
RST38hLG to show 55in, 4mm-thick OLED TV at CES13:49
RST38h(ain't they getting a bit overboard with this race?)13:49
deramI'd take same device with 40mm thickness if that woult reduce cost by half13:50
RST38hwill you take the one 40cm thick at 1/20 of the cost?13:51
RST38hgood, people are throwing old projection TVs right around now13:51
deramthose aren't OLED13:52
RST38hwell, can't have everything13:52
deramwhen will we see oled projector..13:53
RST38hprolly never13:54
deramthere are currently LED illuminated LCD-based projectors..13:57
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RST38hOLEDs degrade with temperature14:04
RST38hMake your own conclusions.14:04
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kevin_blast one : I need to reboot once in dev-mode and then start ssh server manually is that normal?14:33
kevin_bshould dev mod do it all14:33
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Corsacpfff, now smartsearch, messaging-ui and contacts eat all the cpu14:52
Corsacho, and tracker-store seems to like that too14:52
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RzRCorsac: hi and hny, try to mv .qmf .qmf.bak14:54
RzRkevin_b: i installed ircchatter on my n950 did u test my repo ?14:56
CorsacRzR: so that means downloading again all the mail :)14:56
CorsacI think I should just remove the mail account until PR1.2 anyway14:57
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kevin_bRzR I think I found your repo14:58
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RzRkevin_b: good luck15:16
Corsachmhm, is there a way to strace a system process?15:16
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Corsachmhm, and a nice 100M meta.db15:21
auenf1137 emails might take a few presses of 'Get more messages'...15:23
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Corsacauenf: I have something like 11000 mails in my INBOX15:29
Corsac(not counting subfolders)15:29
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CorsacRzR: so moving qmf isn't enough15:34
auenfthats my 'archive' inbox15:34
auenfie, ones that dont fit on the real server15:34
Corsacand removing the tracker store might be a bad idea15:34
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auenfjust got my archive server up and running again15:35
auenfso need to migrate the emails that are saved on the n900 cause i ran out of room on the real server when this other one wasnt back up and running after hdd isuues15:35
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auenfn900 could move messages between imap accounts15:42
auenfn9 cant?15:42
RzRi should let me build imap sync :)15:44
auenfmaybe i cant retire n900 yet :P15:44
RzRping me later i'll help you15:51
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kevin_bWill we have the proper driver for cracking wep ;D ?16:13
Corsacwep is so deprecated16:15
kevin_btell that to neighboor16:16
kevin_beven to my boss16:16
kevin_banyway, if not I guess my N900 still have some good days coming16:16
kevin_bI wanna print with my beautiful N916:20
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Venemohey faenil :)16:24
faenilhey Venemo :D16:24
Venemofaenil, what's up? :)16:25
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faenilVenemo: same story, working on my thesis...16:27
faenilshould also study for Networking which is my last exam (for the 3 years degree) but coding is more fun XD16:28
Venemoyeah, same here, coding is a LOT more fun :)16:31
faenilVenemo: but the exam is on 19th, and no exam -> no thesis XD16:32
faenilso I'd better start :D16:32
Venemofaenil, can I ask what your native language is?16:33
faenilsure, Italian, why? :D16:33
Venemofaenil, I was wondering whether you could help me out with translating my app to Italian :)16:34
faenilahahaha I knew you would have asked that one of these days XD16:34
faenilwell as I just told you, I'm very busy, but I could do that for you ;)  it depends on how much it is16:35
faeniland how long it takes16:35
Venemowell, I'm asking everyone I can. I don't speak too many languages myself16:35
Venemoin my estimate, it will take about 15 minutes :)16:35
faenilok good16:36
faenilI'll do that now then ;)16:36
faenilif you provide files now, I'll do it before studying :)16:36
VenemoI'll commit the stuff I'm working on now and will send you a link to a .ts file16:37
Venemoit is ridiculous how some things work differently on symbian and linux16:39
Venemoand I f'ing hate the symbian sdk16:39
faenilwhat's wrong ?16:41
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jreznikVenemo: do you already have Czech? can help :) (but I don't use it at all on mobile/computer;-)16:50
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Venemojreznik, sure, I could use any help :)16:54
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Venemofaenil, well, symbian sdk gives a few dozens of warnings on any build, all of which originate from the included system headers...16:55
Venemofaenil, also, the -D compiler syntax is different on symbian16:55
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user_can n9 running nitdroid ?16:56
faeniloh yeah the headers warnings, yeah16:56
faenillike 240 of them xD16:56
jreznikVenemo: ok, send me the link to the stuff to be translated :)16:56
Venemofaenil, and Qt Quick doesn' t load image files if they have the "file://" prefix whereas on Linux it ONLY loads them if they have the "file://" prefix. also on Windows, it needs "file:///" prefix. oh, and QPixmap fails to load any filenames with either "file://" or "file:///" on any platforms...16:56
Venemojreznik, okay, will do :) and thanks in advance16:57
alteregouser_: it's possible, but Harmattan is much cooler.16:57
Corsacat least will be with pr1.216:58
jreznikVenemo: yep, I hit this issue too... ended with bunch of ifdefs...16:58
jreznikCorsac: yep, it is16:58
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Venemojreznik, I managed to handle most of this mess without ifdefs16:58
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CorsacI'm unsure why it started exhibits all those battery drains, but on top of the failing memory or so, it really starts to piss me off16:59
jreznikVenemo: it was easier that time as I was in hurry to deliver app...16:59
user_ok thanks17:00
Venemojreznik :)17:00
jreznikVenemo: you can do that in proprietary closed app :)))17:01
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Venemojreznik, what app was that?17:04
faenilVenemo: how much till you're done with the files? :D17:04
Venemofaenil, just a moment. I need to add one more string to be translated (and also ask the other guys to translate it)17:05
faenilok ;)17:05
jreznikVenemo: one local Czech open air festival, Nokia sponsored it17:05
Venemojreznik, :)17:05
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jreznikbut it was nice opportunity to learn qml, even on old symbians it's nearly unusable and I have to turn off half of the graphics, no animations etc...17:06
faenilold like?17:08
Venemoyeah, old symbian is crap17:09
Venemofortunately, newer symbian devices are not bad actually17:09
Venemook, they're BAD, but they at least run qml with acceptable performance17:11
faenilnow you're talking :D17:12
jreznikI hope it's fixed now as newer Qt should have better pixmap management on symbian (at least they say it :)17:14
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Venemofaenil, jreznik, I need to reboot and then will send you a link to the translation file.17:15
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Venemofaenil, what's the langcode for Italy17:24
faenilin Symbian?17:24
Venemojreznik, what's the langcode for Czech?17:24
faenilSymbian's langcode?17:24
Venemofaenil, this is cross-platform. eg. Hungary is hu_HU17:24
faenilI know italian is 05 in Symbian...it_IT?17:25
faenilnot sure though, have only used 05 so far17:25
jreznikVenemo: cs_CZ17:25
jreznik(don't ask me why)17:25
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deramprobably someone used different translitterations when registering countrycode and languagecode17:29
jreznikmaybe historical reasons - CzechoSlovakia as country and CZech as language and it stayed without change... I was too young in 1993 :)17:30
Venemofaenil, see
Venemojreznik, see
Venemofaenil, jreznik, you can open the file with Qt Linguist17:31
faeniland send back the translated one?17:32
Venemoyes, create a merge request if you like or just email me the finished translation17:33
Venemopastebin is even more convenient :P17:34
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faenildownloading linguist xD17:35
Venemofaenil, it's part of the Qt SDK17:36
faenilyes but I did not check it :P17:36
faenilduring installation17:36
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RST38hEHLO gentlemen18:10
Paliping X-Fade18:12
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kevin_bf**** this ssh server is realy troublesome to start?18:16
kevin_bhow do you start it? usually?18:17
javispedroyou reboot18:17
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kevin_bhahha omg, my N9 stucked on Nokia splashscreen lol18:18
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javispedrowere you trying to build your own ssh server for any reason18:19
kevin_bmaybe because I /usr/sbin/sshd -D -4 ed18:20
kevin_byeepee sshd is there :)18:21
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kevin_bwhoops apt-get doesn't understand my languague18:35
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kevin_bWhich custom deb did you use for fennec?18:36
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itsnotabigtruckso are there any retailers that ship that sexy N9 white edition to the us? (i guess this belongs in #n9 but that doesn't look like where the action's at)18:44
itsnotabigtrucke.g. has it but appears to only ship within se/fi/dk18:45
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VenemoZogG_laptop, ping18:56
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ZogG_laptopVenemo: pong19:04
VenemoZogG_laptop, I've got two questions19:06
VenemoZogG_laptop, could you please translate the two new strings in my app?19:06
VenemoZogG_laptop, the other one is, can I credit you in the AUTHORS file?19:07
ZogG_laptopVenemo: yes and yes19:07
ZogG_laptopnow my turn?19:07
ZogG_laptopdid you work with QNetwork?19:08
ZogG_laptophave you*19:08
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ZogG_laptopVenemo: can i change from in qitorious?19:09
VenemoZogG_laptop, what's your gitorious username?19:11
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VenemoZogG_laptop, or even simpler, just use pastebin19:11
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ZogG_laptopVenemo: - but i really need to chek it in the game, so i'll be sure, as there are certain sentences i translated meaning only, as certain phrases in english word to word translation make no sense19:16
VenemoZogG_laptop, I understand19:17
VenemoZogG_laptop, what would you say if I made you a .deb which contains the translation and then you could install on your N9 and test?19:17
ZogG_laptopsounds logical19:17
ZogG_laptopVenemo: thezogg at gmail19:17
ZogG_laptopas well i fixed that russian translation was seen in linguist as hungarian =)19:19
VenemoZogG_laptop :)19:19
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VenemoZogG_laptop, I sent you a PM19:32
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Richlvany rumours of somebody working on cellhunter ( for n9 ? :)20:09
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RST38hRichlv: no ? :)20:10
Richlvhmm, there's
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Richlvseems to have a wider scope as well20:12
LilltigerDocScrutinizer, in openmode, does the Facebook app on the N9 work?20:12
Richlvbut only mentions winphone & android :/20:12
Richlvwell, and openmoko as well20:12
javispedroholy **, did qt creator just statically analize my C++ to determine that I am attaching a context property and properly syntax coloring it in the .qml editor?20:12
ieatlintjavispedro: yes20:13
RST38hjavispedro: yes,it is one of useless things qt creator does20:13
ieatlintbut i wouldn' always trust it... sometimes it's slow to update that20:13
javispedroit even correctly guesses the class type20:13
* javispedro *hats off*20:14
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ieatlintyeah, i've liked qtcreator... it generally keeps my toolchains more sane i think20:15
javispedroRST38h: totally not useless for me, what is useless is to have gazillions of small "warning icons" everywhere because of "unknown object/property/whatever"20:15
RST38hjavispedro: qt creator failed making a deb package for me, when I tried debugging in it20:16
javispedrooh, .deb creation is totally broken indeed20:16
RST38hjavispedro: I am officially calling all its bell and whistles "useless" until it manages to do that20:16
javispedromeh, I mount my workstation via NFS on the N950, so I need no debs =)20:17
RST38hand aegis has been disabled for good now?20:17
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javispedrowith some annoyances here and there...20:17
Lilltigerindeed, my facebook app seems to be broken now after i installed the openmode20:18
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RST38hjavispedro: open mode is a two way street, right? I.e. I can enable/disable it easily now, without reflashing?20:19
javispedroRST38h: depending on what you do in open mode, you might a malf if you boot back to closed. Usually though not changing files or installing packages from open mode is enough to prevent it.20:19
javispedro*get a malf20:20
MohammadAGis there any good separator widget in MTF20:20
itsnotabigtruckhmm, so what stuff breaks in openmode, besides facebook?20:20
Lilltigerbut can also me related to umounting the /home/user/.signon as well, did not try facebook in between20:20
MohammadAGscrew the facebook app20:21
MohammadAGI'm doing my own :P20:21
itsnotabigtruckalso if anybody here is on #n9, i was wondering about power adapters20:21
javispedroitsnotabigtruck: anything from this set can fail:
javispedroread the rest of the thread for tests and reviews20:22
RST38hjavispedro: urgh20:22
itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: oh crap, all that stuff fails?20:23
javispedro"can fail"20:23
itsnotabigtruckopenmode = no maps?20:23
itsnotabigtruckgiven that the maps program is not a minor selling point...20:23
javispedromaps worked for me. your mileage may vary.20:23
itsnotabigtruckright, it's not a big deal if it's possible to get that stuff's just that if unlocking the phone also broke half the phone functionality, that kinda kills the deal20:24
javispedrofor example, it might not be able to access offline maps if you downloaded them, or it might not be able to use wi-fi positining, or ..20:24
Lilltigermaps works for me as well, only thing i found not working is the facebook app, also since the 1.1 upgrade my phone "locks" sometime (refuses to take input) so i have to push the lock button twice20:25
RST38hso, basically, the device is still majorly handicapped in the open mode?20:25
Lilltigerbut that was before openmode.. so 1.1 issue20:25
MohammadAGRST38h, you should've stayed on Beta2 like me :P20:25
MohammadAGI still need an unseal.ko for beta220:26
itsnotabigtrucki wonder if it's possible to pwn the phone, dump aegisfs, and implant the contents after activating open mode20:26
RST38hMohammadAF: A retrograde!20:26
itsnotabigtruckprobably not a small project in any case20:26
javispedroitsnotabigtruck: that is not the problem most of the time20:27
MohammadAGRST38h, the annoying device upgrade notification is non-removable20:27
MohammadAGhonest question20:33
MohammadAGif everything's locked down, why not move to a better platform?20:33
javispedro"why is not everyone of you trashing the n950 and moving to an iphone?"20:33
javispedrosee, I knew the question!20:34
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MohammadAGiOS is actually a good platform20:34
ieatlintbecause i don't need to switch to an iphone to get shitty apps and a locked down user environment20:34
MohammadAGit's just that developing for it would suck20:34
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MohammadAGunless you have a super awesome idea, your paid idea won't be bought20:34
RST38hMohammadAG: there is no better platform20:35
MohammadAGieatlint, shitty apps?20:35
MohammadAGlocked down user environment reminds me of Harmattan20:35
ieatlintMohammadAG: 90% of iphone apps are shitty20:35
ieatlint95% of harmattan apps :P20:35
MohammadAGieatlint, comparing percentages isn't a good idea20:35
Lilltigeryou got 5% good apps?20:35
Lilltigershoe me them!20:36
MohammadAG90% of a million or something isn't the same as comparing 10% of ... well, 1020:36
LilltigerI do like the Swype on the N920:36
MohammadAGBasically, let's compare things20:36
MohammadAGiOS, locked down, jailbreakable, works the same after jailbreaking20:36
MohammadAGHarmattan, locked down, open-mode, handicapped after that20:36
ieatlinti still object to calling it ios... ios will always be cisco to me :P20:37
MohammadAGAndroid, open, shitty, remove from comparison20:37
javispedronote that Harmattan also works the same after cracking it20:37
RST38hMohammadAG: Mobile platforms landscape is a freaking wasteland with Apple's unholy church in the middle20:37
MohammadAGtake out the apple from iOS20:37
MohammadAGand it's really an awesome OS20:37
ieatlintactually i object, the harmattan dev mode works basically the same as iphone "jailbreak" for a LOT of things20:37
MohammadAGthe UI toolkit is the most rich I've ever seen20:37
RST38hMohammadAG: Mmm...notreally20:37
MohammadAGRST38h, why?20:37
ieatlintiphone is "good" because it has industry support20:37
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ieatlintthat's it20:38
RST38hMohammadAG: The iOS is heavily geared toward whatever Apple considered valid usages20:38
MohammadAGieatlint, I'm talking from a dev and user standpoint20:38
ieatlintif every company decided to pour millions into harmattan apps, it'd be the same20:38
ieatlintit's not the platform, it's the 3rd party support20:38
RST38hMohammadAGL One step in the "wrong" direction and you are utterly fucked, same as with MacOS20:38
ieatlintand nokia has always not done well there20:38
MohammadAGRST38h, agreed about that20:38
ieatlintlet's face it, symbian c++ made obj c look like java20:38
RST38hMohammad: The most realistic platform to jump to is Android20:39
MohammadAGfuck that RST38h20:39
RST38hMohammad: Except, on the inside, it looks like an unholy Symbian clone rewritten in Java20:39
javispedrofaced with Android and iOS, I would also probably jump to iOS20:39
MohammadAGI used a Samsung Galaxy SII for a week20:39
MohammadAGit's pathetic20:39
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MohammadAGiOS dev community > Android dev community20:40
MohammadAGiOS: "Based on tests, this tweak should work fine your current version"20:40
ieatlintyou and i have seen different parts of the community then20:40
MohammadAGAndroid: "I changed some hex values and recompiled it, you might blow up but it worked for me!!11!"20:40
MohammadAGUser: "It didn't work, it segfaults for a proper reason"20:41
MohammadAGDev: "Apple fanboy, f*** off!!!1"20:41
MohammadAGieatlint, let's face it20:41
ieatlintbecause when i think iphone dev, i think guy in mismatched clothes and thick rimmed faux-glasses sitting in a coffee shop on a macbook who thinks he's awesome20:41
ieatlintbut that's probably because i see that daily, constantly20:41
MohammadAGieatlint, I'm not talking app devs20:42
MohammadAGI'm talking tweak devs20:42
ieatlintheh, i'd actually say the cynagenmod stuff is pretty well done20:42
MohammadAGieatlint, CM is the awesomest thing about android20:42
MohammadAGthe rest?20:42
MohammadAGlook at xda-devs20:42
MohammadAGfilled with illegal ROMs that are based on random shit20:43
ieatlintqt4/necessitas also not bad20:43
Richlvis it on topic to advertisa apple products here ? :)20:43
javispedroMohammadAG: is there anything on iOS that is not illegal?20:43
ieatlintok, so don't use that?20:43
Richlvbecause this starts to look like a paid advertisement campaign a bit20:43
ieatlintRichlv: yes, FUCKING BUY AN IPHONE NOW20:43
ieatlintno one will like you if you don't20:43
Richlvbah, i don't like change !20:44
RST38hjavispedro,Mohammad: If you are trying to push the point that both iOS and Android "developer communities" are filled with self important script kiddiez, you are preaching to the wrong guy20:44
RST38hI fucking KNOW.20:44
MohammadAGieatlint, I disagree20:44
ieatlinthow about an awesome new windows phone from nokia then?20:44
MohammadAGRST38h, mostly android :P20:44
javispedroomg please don't.20:44
RST38hMohammad: No, though, with Android you can at least hack at it, if you want to. With iOS you are screwed really well20:44
ieatlinthaha, i'll stop :)20:44
RST38hMohammad: No App Store for you. No root. No shell.20:45
Richlvcan we just improve / use meego or something ? =)20:45
RST38hMohammad: No USB mass storage.20:45
MohammadAGRST38h, hmm?20:45
MohammadAGapp store works, sshing as root works, there's a shell20:45
RST38hMohammad: Once you jailbreak iOS, you are no longer part of developer community20:45
RST38hMohammad: you are part of jailbreakers community20:46
MohammadAGRST38h, I'm talking jailbreak community, not the official app store community20:46
RST38hMohammad: well, if you want to stay with that, it is ok20:46
MohammadAGtake this guy as an example20:46
RST38hMohammad: but it does mean no official apps, no official support, and every time there is firmware update, you treat it as a cockroach treating poisoned bait20:47
MohammadAGhe's an iOS dev, both official apps and jailbroken tweaks, he admires harmattan, he tests his releases, his tweaks are never illegal etc20:47
MohammadAGRST38h, that's the same with Harmattan!20:47
MohammadAGyou go open mode, your facebook app breaks, your bootloader bitches about void warranty (whereas this doesn't happen on iOS)20:47
RST38hMohammad: But Harmattan is a non-platform, sadly =(20:47
javispedroMohammadAG: no, it's not the same.20:48
javispedroMohammadAG: you can also crack harmattan open, and then everything works as it should.20:48
RST38hremember, the question is where to go FROM harmattan20:48
javispedroMohammadAG: when we talk about open mode it is truly supported open mode.20:48
MohammadAGjavispedro, then what's the facebook issue someone mentioned?20:48
javispedroMohammadAG: which Apple doesn't have.20:48
MohammadAGjavispedro, true, but do we?20:48
RST38hto me, Android feelsmore pliable, albeit messy like hell20:48
javispedroMohammadAG: yes, we do.20:49
MohammadAGjavispedro, where?20:49
MohammadAGif this is the open mode kernel20:49
MohammadAGit voids warranty20:49
javispedroalbeit legally it can't be done at least in EU20:51
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javispedrothe same applies to Apple of course. The difference being that Nokia is not supposed to play cat&mouse with the openmode kernel, and instead actually help with it, but that's yet to be seen.20:52
MohammadAGso again, what's the difference?20:52
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MohammadAGnested MWidgets crash upon deletion apparently20:53
Richlvwhat's the point of this ? i don't think nokia execs read this. i don't think people here will throw out their n9s and run to the cult^Wapple churches^Wstores to buy shiny thingies20:54
RST38hIn principle, there may not be a difference20:55
RST38hIn practice, there is more you can do with Android than with iOS20:56
RST38hEven if you only consider the breadth of devices awailable20:56
RST38havailable, sorry20:56
ieatlintMohammadAG: perhaps try deleteLater?20:56
MohammadAGieatlint, same20:56
MohammadAGieatlint, bug in MTF I guess, switching to nested MLayouts works20:57
MohammadAGRichlv, just sayin'20:57
javispedroMohammadAG: at least for me, the difference is that I'm still optimistic because of the n900 times.20:57
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MohammadAGjavispedro, N900 times were way better than this20:58
MohammadAGwe had extras for distribution20:58
MohammadAGwe had a shitty but working app manager that directly uses apt20:58
MohammadAGwe had a proper UI toolkit, Gtk, Hildon, and Qt (further in)20:59
MohammadAGall 3 ran natively, and performed well even on 256MBs of RAM20:59
MohammadAGwe had no security framework to prevent us from doing stuff20:59
Iktwojavispedro: MohammadAG: you have done a great work, thanks for that, yeah N900 times were perfect, I hope N9 will get better20:59
RST38hMohammadAG: But that was before the onslaught of career minded middle management inside Maemo Devices20:59
ieatlintqt ran natively, but non-standard20:59
MohammadAGieatlint, still, it was themed natively21:00
javispedroMohammadAG: I've said optimistic because of n900 times; it implicitly means that I thought N900 times were better.21:00
MohammadAGHarmattan times:21:00
ieatlintthat's what i mean... widgets were incredibly different21:00
RST38hMohammad: When you join their ranks, you will soon understand that what you already have is not important. The important thing is how much future work you can sell to the upper management21:00
MohammadAGno extras, no app managers, MTF is deprecated, QML is... meh21:00
MohammadAGwe have 1GHz, 1GB of RAM, yet apps take 5s to start21:01
MohammadAGcalc on Fremantle starts faster than Harmattan21:01
Iktwowhat about nemo mobile? does it have a future?21:01
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RST38hWhen everything is done, you are going to be laid off. Hence, redo everything from scratch as many times as possible21:01
MohammadAGnot really21:01
MohammadAGRST38h, well that sentence explains why iOS took ages to add MMS and copy/paste21:02
RST38hMohammad: iOS is a religious object, they obey different rules =)21:02
RST38hMohammad: But the above explanation of mine certainly describes Android evolution.21:02
* DocScrutinizer51 snorks21:03
fralsfacebook app most likely breaks in "openmode" due to the data is stored in aegisfs21:03
fralsif you make sure the dir where the application saves the data is available it should work just fine21:03
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javispedrofrals: that's what happens indeed; aegisfs breaks, my list of apps that can fail is just a list of all apps that use aegisfs21:03
RST38hMeanwhile: "Eldar Murtazin gives RIM six months to win back customers, says Nokia is selling its soul to Microsoft"21:04
fralsi dont consider it surprising that apps depending on feature x breaks if feature x is broken21:04
MohammadAGwhat does the app store in aegisfs frals21:04
fralsMohammadAG: pretty much everything except images21:04
MohammadAGMohammadAG gives Eldar Murtazin an iPhone, waits for him to disappear21:04
RST38hPoor guy is still there, acting royal.21:04
MohammadAGfrals, aegis is broken, harmattan works :P21:05
fralsMohammadAG: if aegisfs doesnt work how is it surprising anything using aegisfs doesnt work? :P21:05
Richlvdidn't now who som "eldar" is, quick search also found :21:06
RichlvAccording to Eldar Murtazin's and source,. “Stephen Elop will resign in the end of  2012 (begin of 2013 according to another source).21:06
* MohammadAG puts on Myan hat: the end of 2012 won't exist21:07
ieatlintmy calendar just ended a couple days ago and yet we're all still here21:08
MohammadAGit didn't end, aegis just didn't allow you to see the rest21:09
ieatlintyes it did, i gave it my cc number21:09
javispedrofrals: the problem is that changing aegisfs settings so that it does break havoc (even disabling it is more sensible than what aegisfs does in openmode) utterly destroys any chances to go back to closed (because aegisfs config is obviously protected), and, at the same time, some apps still refuse to work even with aegisfs gone and the mountpoint writable, such as browser/certman21:10
javispedro*so that it does not break havoc21:10
fralsjavispedro: ok, sounsd bad that browser stops working even if the mountpoint is there.. any app ive been involved in should do the right thing as long as the mount point is there at least ;)21:12
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javispedroin some bug reports there has been some comments that "this was not supposed to be the way to enter openmode", but god knows.21:12
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javispedrofrals: ah no, the aegisfs mountpoint is not there, rather "something else" that is writable21:12
javispedro(aegisfs refuses writes outright, and even reads for encrypted storages)21:13
fralsjavispedro: well, i expect it to work as long as something that looks the same is there and writable (usually a dir)21:13
javispedroyeah, that.21:13
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javispedrowell, browser doesn't work with that :)21:13
javispedrosignond as someone said a few days ago iirc21:13
javispedro*signond did work21:13
javispedroand probably facebook will do :)21:13
fralsjavispedro: makes sense to deny reads for encrypted storages even in openmode, otherwise someone gets your device -> flashes openmode kernel -> all your data is readable21:14
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fralsi hoped it would not mount the stuff thou so the dirs would be rw and stuff wouldnt break21:14
javispedrofrals: yes; but a more "compatible" behavior with our interests would be to fallback to something that lets the application still work21:14
javispedroof course, this is not compatible with the interests of aegis designers :)21:15
javispedrobecause a silent fallback to unencrypted sounds like a security risk from a mile.21:15
MohammadAGit is21:16
fralsdoesnt the huge warrany warning show up when you are in openmode?21:16
MohammadAGbut allowing the user to go unencrypted at their will...21:16
fralsi mean i get that silent fallback is bad, but you dont accidently end up in open mode21:16
MohammadAGfrals, true, but what if aegis fails in closed mode?21:17
fralsMohammadAG: i assume it knows if its a malfunction or if the device is in open mode21:18
DocScrutinizerBS, there's not sevurity risk in openmode, regarding protection of your SEKRIT private data encrypted in aegisfs21:19
DocScrutinizerwhat sucks though is that ssl-certs can't get restored when there's no aegisfs21:19
javispedroDocScrutinizer: didn't that guy try restoring them manually, and it didn't work either?21:20
DocScrutinizer(the mere fact yet to get confirmed)21:20
javispedrothey do get restored, because certs are not encrypted21:20
DocScrutinizerprobably some supersecuritynazi thought "duh, what when a malware umounts .certs aegisfs and the writes its own certs there21:22
javispedroa supersecuritynazi :D21:22
DocScrutinizerand thus browser won't accept certs that aren't stored in aegisfs21:22
Lilltigerhmm how does security relate to national socialism? :p21:23
javispedromeanwhile, lol21:24
ieatlinti look away for a minute and suddenly the conversation has turned to national socialism?21:24
javispedroieatlint: but you can't help turn it back to iphone by looking at the above link!21:24
javispedro*can (pfft, what a day)21:24
ieatlintbut all i hear is iphone people screaming about how the n9 is an iphone knock-off21:25
ieatlintit's even the same shape as an iphone, rectangular and all!21:25
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DocScrutinizerprobably ibot earned a kickban for that   X-P   That'S why she's missing now21:28
javispedroyour fault21:28
* DocScrutinizer giggles21:28
DocScrutinizeror yours21:29
DocScrutinizernah, infobot offline once more. She doesn't cope well with mad netsplits21:29
DocScrutinizerTim already online, which is usually a good sign21:30
MohammadAGaww, I missed segfaults21:32
MohammadAGthe ones you can debug, not the ones on iOS21:32
* DocScrutinizer hand a few segfaults to MohammadAG - he didn't need a single one during the last weeks so has a few spare ones21:32
MohammadAGI don't get why my app is segfaulting21:33
DocScrutinizerthumb ;-P21:34
griDoes QSound support the system profiles (no sound when "silent")?21:39
MohammadAGQFontEngine: Glyph neither outline nor bitmap format=021:44
MohammadAGload glyph failed err=6 face=0x24f9b8, glyph=99321:44
MohammadAGQSound is deprecated and shouldn't be used21:44
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javispedro and QAudioOutput is broken in harm21:46
javispedroaudio is a disaster on Qt21:46
javispedromultimediakit is shaping up to be nice, but it needs some work still...21:47
* RST38h sighs: audio is the first thing every well-intentioned idiot of API architector tends to break21:48
RST38hThat *and* the build.21:49
RST38h(behold: Qmake and Moc in all their glory)21:49
vandenoeverit's pulseaudio, it works by definition21:49
RST38hvandenoever: Only works if you slaughter Lennart on the night of full moon and drag his corpse around the giant cardboard penguin 13 times, in clockwise direction21:50
* vandenoever senses some anger21:50
ieatlinti can confirm that fix first-hand21:50
Richlvnono, it's the packagers' fault21:52
Richlvso i heard21:52
javispedroit's Ubuntu's fault21:52
vandenoeveri though redhat hired lennart21:52
javispedrowhich is why he hates ubuntu and canonical =)21:53
grijavispedro, MohammadAG: So does the SoundEffect of QtMobility work then?21:53
* vandenoever has Qaudioinput working on desktop and n950 btw21:53
javispedrovandenoever: try QAudioOutput->play(IODevice*)21:53
javispedrowhich is the one used for sound effects btw21:54
javispedroit has a bug where it will randomly blocks of the file21:54
vandenoeveroh, but i use it from memory21:54
javispedroand, for longer files, eventually say buffer underrun and stop right there21:54
javispedro*it will randomly ignore blocks of the file21:54
vandenoeverjavispedro: i guess you need to add a QBuffer in between21:55
javispedrofixed in PR1.2, supposedly21:55
vandenoeveras a workaround21:55
vandenoeveryay latency21:55
javispedrovandenoever: no, it will fail with any iodevice21:55
DocScrutinizerfunny enough I hate ubunu err buntkuh, lennart, and canonical21:55
vandenoeverjavispedro: ok, i dont know i use it by filling it with events21:55
vandenoeverthen implement qint64 readData(char* data, qint64 maxSize)  in myiodevice21:57
javispedrovandenoever: you will get stuttering, it will call readData(...), and even if you return N bytes, only write M to Pulse21:58
DocScrutinizerwasn't PA meant to be SIMPLER and MORE RELIABLE and BETTER DOCUMENTED and and way mor LEET than ALSA?21:58
* Clint shudders.21:59
javispedrovandenoever: but hey, it should be fixed in PR1.2, one of the reasons I'm craving for it :)21:59
DocScrutinizerand especially PA has NO LATENCY issues, by definition ;-P21:59
vandenoeverjavispedro: when'll that be released?22:00
vandenoeveralso, why does current music player and phone work atm then?22:00
javispedronone use qtmultimediakit at all22:00
DocScrutinizerinfobot! RESURRECT!22:00
javispedromusic player uses qmafw which uses gstreamer directly, and phone I do not know but it probably uses PA directly22:01
DocScrutinizerbashin lennart is no fun without her help22:01
Richlvsorry for a lame question, but does n9 use purely sw mixer ?22:02
Richlvand if so, which one is it ?22:02
javispedroRichlv: Pulseaudio22:02
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javispedromeanwhile, if you are using qtmultimediakit in your app, you can now use the radio tuner of the N9/N950  :)22:06
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M4rtinKanobody got an idea how the Apps for MeeGo QA actually works ?22:08
M4rtinKmost importantly since when is the qarantine counted22:09
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M4rtinKsince I made the last update about on 20.12.22:10
M4rtinKbut its still sitting in the queue:
M4rtinKor is it since the day it got enough testing reports ?22:11
M4rtinKalso some feedback like a "Community QA passed" email would be nice22:13
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Richlvjavispedro, hmm, so the only thing missing for a radio capability on n9 is an app ? that would be quite nice, as i wished for one a few days ago :)22:24
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javispedroactually, later today I think I'm going to do an app to tune the radio from my metawatch =)22:40
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* RST38h wonders what the quarantine/etc crap is at the appsformeego: after all, there is no Nokia to care about it22:45
RST38hSo, why artifically prevent your own repository/site from becoming populating with apps?22:46
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M4rtinKwell, the process for submitting an app is already not that easy to begin with22:47
MohammadAGmy iPod was stolen22:47
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MohammadAGI found the approximate location using find my iphone22:47
MohammadAGproblem is, no GPS = wifi location so it's approximate22:47
MohammadAGcan I ask the police to help?22:47
DocScrutinizerI think yoiu for sure can ask - the reaction depends on your flavour of police, and also on the way you ask them22:48
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DocScrutinizerI know a lot of police are thieves themselves22:50
DocScrutinizeresp in southern Europe22:50
DocScrutinizerand probably also in USA22:50
RST38hMohammad: Of course you can ask the police to help! The question is, will they?22:51
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: can't you wait until the iPad is in a lecture where everything is supposed to be quiet, then make it yell with an awful alarm sound22:53
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DocScrutinizeror wait, there's a way to do active triangulation for WiFi, using special APs. Or you use an AP-repeater with low TX power, and walk around until you detect the iPod associates to that prtable AP22:55
M4rtinKwhat about doing a traceroute ?22:56
DocScrutinizerwith airodump (and probably also with kismet) you can trace the iPod WiFi and watch the signal level22:57
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it's not close23:00
MohammadAGbut I can get close to it23:00
DocScrutinizerthat's the idea23:01
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DocScrutinizermeh!   >> Dear joerg900,   Please be aware that we will be discontinuing web-based viewing of Contacts on the web after January 24, 2012. Contacts on your Nokia phone will not be affected, and syncing or backup of data will continue normally. You can also easily export your synced contacts to your personal computer at any time—even after web access to Contacts is discontinued.   For more information about this change, please visit our23:05
DocScrutinizerContacts Q&A page.   We hope you continue to enjoy our other Nokia services. <<23:05
M4rtinK...while you can :)23:06
gri <-- wtf? Why does the same package work in debug mode but release can't be packaged ..23:06
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MohammadAGI called the police23:11
MohammadAGthey said I have to go to the local station23:11
MohammadAGwhere the fuck is that23:11
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wirwehey. i still have the problem with having two icons of one application on my homescreen. in my /usr/share/applications -folder is only one .desktop-file for camera-ui. any ideas?23:25
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thpjavispedro: so, did you merge my code gui code or do i have to rewrite it (fmrx)?23:49
thp(i think i forgot if you said you could merge it or if you were to change the daemon and the patch would be obsolete then)23:49
javispedrothp: I didn't because I ran out of time :) working on sowatch a bit more now23:49
javispedrothp: it is obsolete, because the app can now be made a standard qtquick app that uses QRadioTuner from qt mobility23:50
javispedrowell, qradiotuner is not in qml, but it is in plainqt..23:50
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DocScrutinizerwirwe: mv your  /usr/share/applications/*.desktop to some temporary hideaway parking position like ~root/. You'll see if both or just one icon vanishes with that (after a reboot obviously :-D )23:57
thpjavispedro: ok :)23:57
DocScrutinizeryou might have a second *.desktop file at one of the alternative locations. I think in ~user/ there's one, in /usr/local another23:58

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