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| ieatlint | well, i've sobered up a bit... happy new year | 04:35 |
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| ieatlint | ok, i've now learnt that the n9 is the best phone i've owned for reading barcodes... the low light sharpness of the camera is pretty impressive | 12:34 |
| marsje | is there a common component that you can use to read bar codes | 12:36 |
| marsje | so you can make an app that does something useful with the bar codes? | 12:37 |
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| ieatlint | yes, there's a library | 12:40 |
| ninnnu | marsje: MeeScan uses libldmtx and libzbar | 12:40 |
| ieatlint | it's not part of harmattan, but it's what the n900's mbarcode used and what i presume meescan on the n9 uses | 12:40 |
| ieatlint | yeah, libzbar is what i was thinking of | 12:40 |
| mgedmin | oh, there are now apps for reading barcodes? cool | 12:41 |
| * mgedmin would head over to the ovi store to check them out, but ovi store is ... painful | 12:42 | |
| ieatlint | might be available outside of it | 12:42 |
| ieatlint | "meescan" | 12:42 |
| marsje | I have some problems with the ovi store... | 12:43 |
| marsje | the error I get is: "Can't install. Unable to continue installation due to unresolved error" | 12:45 |
| marsje | when downloading an app | 12:45 |
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| gri | marsje: "an app" or meescan? | 13:02 |
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| * mgedmin just installed meescan from ovi store | 13:09 | |
| SpeedEvil | Is anyone aware of anything that will simply log all scanned barcodes to a flat text file. | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on N900 yep | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I never got mbarcode to do that - if that's what you meant | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | need a dirt simple plugin I guess | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | meh | 13:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Not feeling energtic enough. | 13:14 |
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| marsje | gri: any app | 14:09 |
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| marsje | gri: last thing I tried to install was "Find Differences Aigio" | 14:12 |
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| ajalkane | What is projects.maemo.org? Is it only for Nokians or mere mortals too? | 14:30 |
| SpeedEvil | mortals too | 14:31 |
| ajalkane | so you can register somewhere to access it? | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | uys | 14:33 |
| ajalkane | any idea where? MeeScan seems to be hosted there and I'd like to do something to it | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Err | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I may have been thinking of garage | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | projects times out at the momnt | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | is meescan open source? | 14:34 |
| dm8tbr | AFAIK that's for people working on maemo/harmattan only | 14:34 |
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| ajalkane | mgedmin: I don't know. But in it's qml directory they forgot .svn which points to svn repo at projects.maemo.org | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | :D | 14:36 |
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| jonni | ajalkane: do you have the svn url? :) | 14:41 |
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| ajalkane | jonni: https://projects.maemo.org/svn/mvp/projects/barcodes/MeeScan/qml/MeeScan | 14:44 |
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| jonni | ah yes limited access | 14:47 |
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| ajalkane | Thanks. Too bad. Maybe hacking just qml file is enough, have to see. | 14:55 |
| amppa | i implemented barcode scanner to my application with zxing | 14:55 |
| amppa | no idea how that compares to zbar | 14:55 |
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| amppa | zxing is apache 2.0, but i had to use some code from qt to implement decoding of the camera's video stream | 15:03 |
| amppa | which of course makes it lgpl | 15:03 |
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| ajalkane | amppa: what does your app do? My only qualm with MeeScan is that it's hard to transfer the scanned barcodes to computer | 15:07 |
| ajalkane | if it could at least write the scanned codes to file in MyDocs, that would make it easier | 15:08 |
| amppa | scans the code and searches a remote database for a matching product | 15:10 |
| amppa | so it's a feature inside the application, not a generic barcode scanner | 15:10 |
| jonni | and you can copy it to clipboard, so you can transfer to file | 15:11 |
| ajalkane | jonni: yeah I know, but it's a bit too many steps | 15:13 |
| amppa | i will publish the source code of the scanner part, but you'd of course have to write the application to actually use it yourself | 15:14 |
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| ajalkane | I don't have time to start writing a new application. If I can hack MeeScan's QML to do it, that's as far as I'm going to go. But I don't know if file writing is available from QML | 15:15 |
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| amppa | no, there's no file I/O in QML | 15:17 |
| Tronic | I've been playing with the free Lumia today but the UX isn't nearly as good as on N950. | 15:17 |
| jonni | ajalkane: console.log() to screen or import custom c++ plugin from the qml :) | 15:17 |
| vandenoever | Tronic: and no usb mass storage | 15:17 |
| Tronic | Well, the browser is fast and so is the device in general, that's a huge benefit over N9/N950. | 15:17 |
| ajalkane | Tronic: I've had it over a week and it's just boring UX at least to me. I haven't been at all excited to use it. | 15:18 |
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| Tronic | ... but no USB mass storage as vandenoever said. There are plenty of little but annoying things. One is problematic Live account creation + multiple login forms (one for the store, another on web for payments). | 15:19 |
| Tronic | Also it wouldn't accept my credit card details for some reason and would clear the form when re-requesting the details (and re-filling it didn't help). | 15:20 |
| ajalkane | jonni: ah... I guess console.log is as complex as I want to go :) | 15:20 |
| Tronic | ajalkane: I think that boring is good. | 15:20 |
| dm8tbr | also if you set a 'region' for store, it will reset the _language_ for all your M$ accounts | 15:20 |
| vandenoever | Tronic: i'm trying to avoid all account creation for the phone | 15:21 |
| vandenoever | Tronic: it's really scary how much the device relies on connectivity | 15:21 |
| Tronic | dm8tbr: Yes, the locale settings seem to be somewhat retarded on this device. Also I found it strange that the first time startup wizard wanted to restart the device if I chose anything else than English (United Kingdom). | 15:21 |
| vandenoever | and the message "Send browsing history to Microsoft (yes/no)" on first start of IE is really awful | 15:21 |
| Tronic | dm8tbr: One would think that locale changes could be done on fly, or at the very least they would make the first time startup handle that without the user noticing. | 15:22 |
| Tronic | vandenoever: The buttons of that were [Accept] and [Cancel], which suggests that the other option doesn't allow you to start IE. | 15:23 |
| vandenoever | yes, but cancel does in fact start IE | 15:23 |
| Tronic | I also hate it how the phone throws various EULAs at you all the time. | 15:23 |
| vandenoever | yep | 15:23 |
| Tronic | Yup, pressed Cancel myself, of course. | 15:24 |
| vandenoever | only reason i'm keeping it is to compare the office functionality with calligra and webodf | 15:24 |
| Tronic | Also I had to use the phone offline for a while and noticed that you can do pretty much nothing without a connection. | 15:24 |
| Tronic | Navigation won't even start, etc. | 15:24 |
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| vandenoever | yes, well, i'm not allowing this hostile device on my local wifi | 15:24 |
| faenil | I'm very happy about the Lumia's UX | 15:25 |
| Tronic | Btw, have you figured out how to transfer files to it (since USB storage is not supported)? | 15:25 |
| faenil | I have started reading emails on the phone instead of the notebook | 15:25 |
| vandenoever | no | 15:25 |
| vandenoever | i tried via bluetooth but while linux recognized that the device was there , there was no file transfer option | 15:26 |
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| faenil | everything is buttery smooth | 15:27 |
| ajalkane | the e-mail client is good on lumia | 15:28 |
| faenil | that's what I miss on N9/N950 | 15:28 |
| ajalkane | it's easy to be smooth with the kind of "multitasking" it has. | 15:28 |
| ajalkane | I find using it frustrating | 15:28 |
| ajalkane | switching applications is annoying | 15:29 |
| ajalkane | But some of the applications included are good, and the metro interface works mostly well | 15:29 |
| ajalkane | It also has much more fart apps than Harmattan | 15:29 |
| ajalkane | So it's a keeper for me. | 15:29 |
| vandenoever | writing apps is only with c#, no? | 15:30 |
| * vandenoever really likes qml | 15:30 | |
| ajalkane | yes. Or I guess any .net app should be fine? | 15:30 |
| ajalkane | s/app/lang | 15:30 |
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| vandenoever | ajalkane: c++ in .net is not really c++ due to many language features not being allowed | 15:31 |
| * MohammadAG really dislikes qml | 15:31 | |
| faenil | ajalkane: I actually prefer having a limited multitasking than seeing lags in the basic apps | 15:32 |
| faenil | such as phonebook, sms, etc | 15:32 |
| ajalkane | faenil: yeah. Can't argue about preferences. | 15:33 |
| vandenoever | the lumia makes me feel like a drone in the microsoft borg | 15:33 |
| faenil | :) yeah I'm all about 60fps in the UI | 15:33 |
| faenil | that's what makes me want to use a smartphone to do essential things | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | iOS > WP | 15:33 |
| faenil | MohammadAG: agree if u're talking of 4S | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | even a 4 is enough | 15:34 |
| faenil | 4S is superior to everything out there | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | I have an iPad 2 so I kinda know how fast it is | 15:34 |
| faenil | but in any case, I don't get free 4S, and it costs too much | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | it's not as fast as you're making it feel | 15:34 |
| faenil | like? | 15:35 |
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| faenil | is there anything laggy in the main functions? | 15:35 |
| vandenoever | the headphones as horrible clicks when using the ui | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | faenil, no but the same applies to the iPhone 4 | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | iOS's main UI uses a lot of threads | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | that's why it barely lags | 15:37 |
| faenil | MohammadAG: I wonder why none has reached that level of smoothness yet | 15:37 |
| Tronic | faenil: I would not call Lumia laggy in any case but it does have lag spikes. | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | cause no sane developer thinks about using 26+ threads | 15:38 |
| Tronic | faenil: Not nearly as bad as N9 but not as good as iPhone either. | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | how the fuck do they debug that | 15:38 |
| faenil | Tronic: I agree, that's what I said at the beginning, I'm using Lumia as my main phone because it doesn't lag in the main functions which are the ones I use most | 15:38 |
| faenil | Tronic: exactly | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | iPhone's my main phone | 15:38 |
| Tronic | faenil: I've got lag in tile menu with no apps running. already. | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | I do all communications on the N950 though | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | except Whatsapp and the closed shit like that | 15:39 |
| Tronic | faenil: Mildly annoying but nothing that would actually affect usability. | 15:39 |
| faenil | Tronic: I don't have lag in the tiles menu atm, but plan to keep it clean :D | 15:39 |
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| faenil | MohammadAG: do you have a Lumia? | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | faenil, new order | 15:41 |
| faenil | oh ok :) | 15:41 |
| faenil | we'll talk again when you get it then, if you ever will, taking into account your customs :D | 15:42 |
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| MohammadAG | it's not a customs issue | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | it's a nokia one right now | 15:43 |
| faenil | yeah I know, I got that ^^ | 15:44 |
| faenil | have you tried sending an email to ddp.program@nokia.com? | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | Hi Mohammad, | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | I think we need to use the Nokia office to get the shipment through. | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | I'll add a note to your order saying this. | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | Brgds | 15:45 |
| faenil | ?? :O | 15:45 |
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| faenil | ok :D | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | that was on the 27th | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | last year | 15:46 |
| faenil | and still new order... | 15:46 |
| faenil | anyway, I think the keyboard is another great point to the Lumia | 15:49 |
| faenil | it seems to understand what I want to write, it just works | 15:49 |
| faenil | N9's dictionary doesn't even know common words in my language! That's sad :( | 15:50 |
| faenil | especially it keeps correcting with strange words, and not the most common ones | 15:50 |
| faenil | especially when* | 15:50 |
| lizardo | MohammadAG, faenil : should I be worried if my order is still "new order" status since I created it on 20/dec (no emails since then) ? I assume the delay is because of holidays | 15:53 |
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| faenil | it could be, but sending an email to that address won't hurt :D | 15:58 |
| lizardo | faenil: will do, just in case I was forgotten in the flood :) | 15:59 |
| faenil | exactly :D | 15:59 |
| faenil | I sent the email and my order was shipped 10 mins later :D | 16:00 |
| lizardo | BTW, is n9-apps.com totally unrelated to apps.formeego.com ? | 16:00 |
| faenil | guess so | 16:01 |
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| Kleggas | Has anyone experience on using qml object TextInput on N9? I run same code on pc as on n9 (except on pc I uncomment the meego import) and it acts different on phone, in none-desired way. Probably my fault, but can't find it... | 16:17 |
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| wirwe | hi, is there an explanation for the modules that lsmod lists on n9? i want to know the name of the camera/front-camera modules. | 17:11 |
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| vandenoever | hmm it seems to run ones own apps on one's own phone one needs a $75 dollar app hub license | 17:36 |
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| jreznik | vandenoever: for nokia devels it should be $1 for the first year | 17:43 |
| vandenoever | jreznik: yes, but that still require telling nokia and microsoft my credit card number | 17:44 |
| vandenoever | this device is basically a digital set of handcufs | 17:44 |
| jreznik | vandenoever: for ovi, you had do it too... | 17:44 |
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| vandenoever | jreznik: true, and i hesitated a long time before doing that | 17:46 |
| jreznik | vandenoever: but yeah, I was trying to sync n9 contacts to lumia - fail, using bt and nokia app... so I wanted to sync it with Zimbra behind vpn, no way, fail on n9 too btw but I can log to our wpa-2-ent network and do it there - again fail with lumia :) | 17:46 |
| vandenoever | telling my credit card to microsoft is a bridge too far | 17:46 |
| faenil | jreznik: I had no problem with contact syncing between n9 and lumia with contacts transfer | 17:46 |
| faenil | jreznik: about the $1, that's just a rebate | 17:47 |
| vandenoever | i enabled usb mass storage on the device now, but docx or odf documents are not seen by the device | 17:48 |
| jreznik | faenil: don't know where the problem is, I just wanted to try lumia in real env. using it daily but looks like it's not a device for me and my use cases :) I don't even have windows, so no zune, no zune -> you can't use it nearly at all | 17:49 |
| jreznik | after being to nokia/ms hackathon and listening to marketing talk about mango, I expected much more :) I know - marketing and sales :) | 17:49 |
| faenil | I just need it for webbrowsing + emails + txts, and I'm finding it awesome :D | 17:49 |
| jreznik | browser is better than that from n9 | 17:50 |
| faenil | it actually worked all times here...don't know what kind of problem you encountered :) | 17:50 |
| faenil | all things I have written are better on the lumia, yeah ;:D | 17:50 |
| faenil | I agree that WP7.5 is still tooooo immature though :D too many things missing ^^ | 17:51 |
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| jreznik | faenil: yep, it would be great to see a merge of harmattan and mango, more opened, more featured, more matured but as fast as mango and no titles like for blind people :) I can imagine it... now nokia has several unfinished os - mango, harmattan, belle, meltemi... | 17:53 |
| jreznik | (that said my gf, she has veer, so she thought it's a device for seniors :-) | 17:54 |
| faenil | :) | 17:54 |
| jreznik | btw. anyone was able to play rtmp stream on harmattan? even rtsp fails for me with that stream... | 17:55 |
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| RST38h | MEANWHILE: HP Insiders Claim WebOS Was Doomed From The Start | 18:04 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: Alec Liu of Fox News reports that Amazon, Facebook and Google are considering a coordinated a coordinated blackout of the internet to protest SOPA, the Stop Online Privacy Act being debated in Congress. | 18:28 |
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| javispedro | moo. | 19:16 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, ssu chan | 19:16 |
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| BluesLee | on the n9 i can backup my files but how to restore those files?:-) | 20:13 |
| BluesLee | there is no restore of those backups in the settings ... i set up windows xp with virtual box and installed nokia pc suite, but the n9 is not on the list of supported devices | 20:15 |
| BluesLee | i guess i am wrong and there is a simple solution without using a terminal or did nokia forget to implement this? | 20:16 |
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| ajalkane | BluesLee: there is restore backup on device | 20:24 |
| ajalkane | same place where you make backup | 20:25 |
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| BluesLee | perfect, my mistake: nokia suite = nokia ovi suite <> nokia pc suite | 20:26 |
| BluesLee | ajalkane: and another one, thanx | 20:27 |
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| BluesLee | okay, nokia pc suite <> nokia link, damn ... | 20:29 |
| RST38h | "Sherlock" S02E01 on TV *right now*! | 20:30 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders WTF it's not showing up on iplayer | 20:30 | |
| RST38h | Too bad they kinda fucked up the translation... | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Speed: Because it is not showing on a BBC channel? | 20:30 |
| BluesLee | ajalkane: i will stay with a restore on the n9 as nokia link only supports windows 7 and i have xp in vbox, crazy stuff | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure it is | 20:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00m5wm9/Sherlock_Series_2_A_Scandal_in_Belgravia/ | 20:32 |
| SpeedEvil | get_iplayer diddn't pull it though | 20:32 |
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| ajalkane | yeah i have only linux and xp too. Never used link | 20:33 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: just get a torrent | 20:33 |
| BluesLee | ajalkane: it says i should use nokia link but nokia pc suite seems to work well | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: torrent is too much work, it should 'just work' | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I have about 20 different programs auto-downloaded | 20:36 |
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| RST38h | Speed:Torrent just works. | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I know. | 20:38 |
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| javispedro | BluesLee: Link already supports XP | 21:27 |
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| Tronic | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wixL8RNhQF8/Ttvqs5eTUuI/AAAAAAAAKbM/zQ98XLi8gy0/350493746.png | 21:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyone know if the N9 has voip integrated, like s60 does? | 21:47 |
| frals | comes with SIP | 21:47 |
| Jare | yes it has sip, xmpp/jingle and skype integrated | 21:48 |
| Jare | video support isn't implemented though | 21:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Jare frals: hmm, does it have any crypto support (SRTP/SDES, ZRTP, etc.) | 21:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | argh, i'm trying to find the answers for myself but nothing (doesn't help that google keeps relaxing important terms out of my searched) | 21:52 |
| Jare | itsnotabigtruck: well it seemed to support sip tls + srtp, but it didn't work out of the box with freeswitch. Anyway imo that was an issue with freeswitch, because the sip messages of n9 seemed to be rfc3261 compliant | 21:56 |
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| Jare | i haven't examined it much though, since i'm using an openvpn tunnel for sip | 22:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Jare: so sdes only...well, that's better than nothing. any idea if there's any hooks to plug voip programs etc. into the dialer? | 22:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a la the skype implementation | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or is all that just hardcoded into the closed source part of the firmware | 22:03 |
| dm8tbr | you might get away with telepathy modules | 22:05 |
| dm8tbr | there is not that much documentation | 22:05 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: http://gizmodo.com/5872435/alien-hookers-to-open-area-51-brothel-in-nevada | 22:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | o.O | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and dm8tbr: hmm, that might be worth looking into | 22:08 |
| RST38h | And season: Tajik religious fanatics killed Santa. | 22:08 |
| RST38h | s/season/seasonal | 22:09 |
| frals | itsnotabigtruck: should be possible afaik | 22:09 |
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| Jare | well i haven't tested zrtp. Srtp uses aes as the default cipher and tls to secure sip protocol, so i don't really get why that wouldn't be secure enough for everyone | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Jare: because under SDES, the server sees the key | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if the server isn't fully trusted, and it usually isn't, you get owned | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | note that when people talk about "srtp" they usually mean sdes, the other protocols (like zrtp) uses srtp too | 22:11 |
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| Jare | ah, i'm using my own sip server ;) | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah but you can't get everyone on the planet on your sip server, and what if your server is on a VPS | 22:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, bbl, thanks for the info | 22:13 |
| RzR | Jare: i can recieve skype call but cant create some can you ? | 22:13 |
| Jare | RzR: at least the echo123 works atm | 22:18 |
| RzR | i didnt manage how to use it ? it said account disabled | 22:21 |
| RzR | anyway i dont care i am happy w/ sip | 22:21 |
| javispedro | RST38h: you read the webos-bashing on slashdot? =) | 22:21 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I do not read slashdot, it is bad for one's soul | 22:22 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: But yes, a few HP/Palm employees have played Cpt Obvious today and revealed...well... the obvious | 22:32 |
| javispedro | then an apple fanboy wrote the article and you the flaming started | 22:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so how did you guys procure your N9s? the idea of laying down $600 on a phone that isn't going to recieve much commercial support from nokia isn't that appealing | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though i understand some euro carriers are offering it on contract at much lower prices | 23:05 |
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| mpr | where can you get one for $600? | 23:05 |
| mpr | they're more like EUR600 in here | 23:06 |
| mpr | oh, actually you can get a 16GB one for EUR500 already, prices have come down a bit | 23:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mpr: some amazon reseller has them for $550 (16 gigs) | 23:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | newegg has them for $580 | 23:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i almost expected them to cost less in europe, given that the ones in the us are 3rd party imports afaik...silly me :p | 23:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | oh, are you counting VAT? make sure to subtract that | 23:12 |
| mpr | well europe has VAT so everything is at least around 20% more expensive in here :) | 23:12 |
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| mpr | a bit silly that it would make sense to order a n9 here through some us shipping service or buy one on a trip to the us even though it's produced here :) | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so E500 * .8 = E400 = $517.80 | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if they're going for 500 euros, that costs less if you un-vat it | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though international shipping and currency conversion surcharges probably cancel out the gain | 23:16 |
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| Tronic | N9 64 GB costs 549 € in Finland now (post-xmas prices). | 23:34 |
| merlin1991 | Tronic: 530 in vienna :) | 23:35 |
| Corsac | that reminds me I need to send mine to nokia care | 23:35 |
| Tronic | 530 € at Verkkokauppa.com, apparently. | 23:35 |
| Corsac | and deal without smartphone for a month or so :( | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | Corsac: no backup n900 for when the n9 has to go to care (like mine) | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | Corsac, what happened to it? | 23:36 |
| jonne | anyone know which countries have the white one yet? | 23:36 |
| Tronic | That model cost 699 € only two weeks ago. | 23:37 |
| jonne | i only saw finland so far | 23:37 |
| Corsac | merlin1991: I've given my n900 to my wife | 23:37 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: it comes from handtec, and started to exhibit the random reboots some other people have had | 23:37 |
| jonne | my N900 didn't take the heat well in Haiti and I need to replace it soonish | 23:37 |
| Corsac | well, “random”, sometime 4/5 in a row | 23:37 |
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| Tronic | I don't really know what to do with all the phones. I would give away the N900 if someone (friends etc) genuinely wanted it but they all consider the device obsolete, and also I still have some use for it due to the limited software selection that the N950 has. I want to keep the N950 to myself at least until I get a N9 instead, as there simply aren't any better phones, so I cannot give that one away (even though half of my ... | 23:49 |
| Tronic | ... friends would like to buy it). Then there is the Lumia that I don't like, that isn't worth much and that I don't want to give to nice people. Also I still want to familiarize myself with it. | 23:49 |
| macmaN | Tronic: :> wanna consider your estonian buddy? | 23:49 |
| macmaN | i need a maemo5 test device | 23:50 |
| Tronic | Well, I *have* met you IRL :P | 23:51 |
| Tronic | However, I was thinking more of close friends and family, people who I see daily. | 23:51 |
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| Tronic | Anyway, nowadays one can buy a N900 for 100 € or so. | 23:52 |
| ieatlint | too many phones eh? | 23:52 |
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| macmaN | yeah i hear you re keeping it in the fam. it wasnt immediately obvious whether you wanted the device to actually be development-style useful with someone. | 23:53 |
| macmaN | other than that, yeah, 100€ about does it these days | 23:53 |
| macmaN | if one could only solder more RAM onto that thing.. | 23:53 |
| Tronic | I don't think that developing for that device at this time is beneficial. The hardware is disappearing already as Nokia keep warranty replacing them with other devices, and it is genuinely obsolete. | 23:54 |
| Tronic | N9 with Aegis removed is a good replacement. | 23:55 |
| merlin1991 | but the platform itself is so easily modable | 23:55 |
| Tronic | Supplement with a BT keyboard if you must. | 23:55 |
| merlin1991 | before I see usb host mode on n9 it is not a replacement | 23:55 |
| thp | merlin1991: did you get your n9 back from nokia care already? | 23:55 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 23:55 |
| merlin1991 | hoping I get it before the 10th | 23:55 |
| merlin1991 | I do got some nfc tags though | 23:56 |
| thp | :) great | 23:56 |
| merlin1991 | so I can at least hack something up in sb snatch your device and test it :D | 23:56 |
| thp | i'll bring my n950 and you can test with the n9 if you do nfc stuff | 23:56 |
| thp | which reminds me, i should probably announce it on the blog too | 23:57 |
| merlin1991 | could be an idea | 23:57 |
| ieatlint | something fun happening on the 10th? | 23:59 |
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| merlin1991 | ieatlint: yep, hacklab of the local n9 owners in vienna :) | 23:59 |
| thp | ieatlint: https://metalab.at/wiki/Hack-A-N9 | 23:59 |
| macmaN | huh, another one thp? | 23:59 |
| ieatlint | ah, another metalab event | 23:59 |
| ieatlint | bastards :P | 23:59 |
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