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| jani | ok, got that solved and next effing issue is frigin aaegis.. meh | 00:39 |
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| jani | so, the big question is, i have the app working on proto device which requires certain aegis token .. installs and runs fine but on oem device, the api call fails .. im wondering if i publish the deb to ovi, it will start to miraculously work.. | 00:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | depends on what tokens those are that you need | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and if they're available from OVI or not (and of course if OVI QA will accept your app) | 01:27 |
| jpwhiting | hmm, anyone know if I can install software from one firmware on a different region device? | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | should | 01:27 |
| jpwhiting | I have a eu N9 that has Facebook and twitter support, and an N9 from asia with QQ application | 01:27 |
| jpwhiting | but QQ application is not in the ovi store | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, firmware | 01:27 |
| jpwhiting | any idea how I would do that? | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, actually just apps? should "just work" | 01:28 |
| jpwhiting | either add facebook,skype, etc. to the asian device, or add qq app to the eu device | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, | 01:28 |
| jpwhiting | DocScrutinizer: by copying all the files for the app itself? | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's kinda tricky | 01:28 |
| jpwhiting | indeed | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't work | 01:29 |
| jpwhiting | because of aegis? or because the app is part of the firmware? | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | you also need to add the tokens to refhashlist, restok, whatever the names of those lists | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually that fake dpkg does that for you, on installing an app from OVI | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | when you simply copy the binaries, the refhashlist etc will miss the records for those files/binaries, since you didn't install via dpkg -i | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | if QQ was available from OVI, there shouldn't be any problem. For pre-installed binaries though... :-S | 01:31 |
| beford | isn't it possible to create a .deb with the binary? | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | not a signed .deb | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | signed_by_OVI | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | signed_by_Nokia | 01:33 |
| beford | but if he enables the thing that says install from unauth sources? | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | that might work, for a number of apps which don't need special critical tokens | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | some tokens aren't even available via OVI, only via Nokia | 01:34 |
| jpwhiting | can I check the qq app on the one it's on to see what tokens it needs/requires? | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but don' | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | t ask me how | 01:35 |
| jpwhiting | heh, ok | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | look into restok or sth like that | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | less /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf | 01:37 |
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| flat` | huhuu | 01:37 |
| jpwhiting | DocScrutinizer: qq and qq-guard in there both are empty | 01:38 |
| jpwhiting | just Package: and Source entries | 01:38 |
| jpwhiting | no Request or Object or anything else | 01:38 |
| * jpwhiting tries just copying | 01:38 | |
| beford | I remember that javispedro did a script to run binaries after jsut copying them | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpwhiting: then you might be lucky | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~may-i-edit | 01:42 |
| infobot | may-I-edit () { grep `basename $1` /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" && exit; echo "edit if you feel venturous"; } | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpwhiting: ^^^ | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually that function is not complete - it's missing when the directory the file lives in is monitored | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | as changing the file always also means changing the dir inode | 01:43 |
| jpwhiting | for /opt/meegoqq I would put meegoqq or qq in where basename $1 is? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | meegoqq and opt/ | 01:44 |
| jpwhiting | heh, all the libraries in the bin folder are matched :/ | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | if /opt/ is a monitred resource, then you may neither add nor delete or edit any files in it | 01:45 |
| jpwhiting | so probably not | 01:45 |
| jpwhiting | ah, I may be able to add it to the other one, maybe it's not watching that folder since it doesn't know about it? | 01:45 |
| jpwhiting | ok, I was able to as root untar the files into /opt on the eu device | 01:50 |
| jpwhiting | turning it off and back on to see if qq appears in the home screen | 01:50 |
| jpwhiting | I don't think /opt is watched or protected, since I can install stuff there from Qt creator just fine | 01:51 |
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| jpwhiting | no qq in the home screen, probably missed something for that to appear | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/share/*/*.desktop | 01:54 |
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| jpwhiting | DocScrutinizer: perfect | 02:00 |
| jpwhiting | that and the icon file made it appear perfectly in the home screen | 02:00 |
| jpwhiting | thanks for the guidance :) | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 02:00 |
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| * javispedro repeteadly hits the bugzilla.kernel.org site in vai | 02:12 | |
| javispedro | I hate Linux more and more every day... | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | DUH! | 02:12 |
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| javispedro | it's been down for god knows how long | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, throw some names, like poettering, PA, startd, avahi, and I'll agree it's not that hard to start hating linux these days | 02:14 |
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| javispedro | and of course, the gentoo guys decided for a change to be "fast" pushing the latest kernel version to the stable repo, and it doesn't even boot. | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bwahaha | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aegis, KDE4 | 02:17 |
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| NIN101 | DocScrutinizer: you meant systemd, not startd !!1!one | 02:18 |
| javispedro | thank god | 02:20 |
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| javispedro | a fix was commited on Dec 17 2011 for a problem I reported on Oct 18 2010 | 02:21 |
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| javispedro | the commited fix is exactly the one line patch I suggested save for one extra whitespace | 02:21 |
| * javispedro needs one of those antistress balls | 02:21 | |
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| jpwhiting | hmm, my wife's N9 has an old version on it | 02:37 |
| jpwhiting | swipe to close doesn't seem to work | 02:37 |
| jpwhiting | under product info it's not PR anything, just 10.2011.34-1.232.2_PR_232 | 02:38 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: lol, word "PulseAudio" managed to enter Kconfig, right there on the description of CONFIG_SND_HDA_PREALLOC_SIZE | 02:38 |
| jpwhiting | do I need to reflash to update it to PR 1.1 like I have? under updates it says the device is up to date | 02:38 |
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| auenf | jpwhiting, some variants of the n9 havent received OTA update of PR1.1 yet | 02:39 |
| jpwhiting | auenf: can it get the update over wifi? or only over a cell network? | 02:39 |
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| auenf | most variants have the update available through NSU | 02:40 |
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| auenf | but that requires reinstalling apps afterwards iirc | 02:40 |
| jpwhiting | what's NSU? the windows app? | 02:40 |
| auenf | yes | 02:40 |
| jpwhiting | I can get that from the nokia website? | 02:40 |
| auenf | yup | 02:40 |
| jpwhiting | cool, thx | 02:40 |
| auenf | btw, i'm still waiting for OTA update also | 02:41 |
| jpwhiting | no worries, she doesn't have any apps installed yet | 02:41 |
| jpwhiting | besides what came on it already | 02:41 |
| jpwhiting | do you have the bug where swipe wont close stuff? | 02:41 |
| auenf | of course do a backup first, not sure what else has to be re-put in | 02:41 |
| jpwhiting | and nothing appears in her feed either | 02:41 |
| auenf | err, bug? | 02:41 |
| jpwhiting | ah, gotcha | 02:41 |
| auenf | in PR1.0, swipe down is off by default | 02:41 |
| auenf | you can enable it in options | 02:41 |
| jpwhiting | yeah, when I swipe stuff from the top to close on hers | 02:41 |
| jpwhiting | ah, /me looks | 02:42 |
| auenf | settings->device->display | 02:42 |
| jpwhiting | ah, gotcha | 02:42 |
| jpwhiting | how do you close apps with that disabled? O.o | 02:42 |
| auenf | from the multi tasking screen | 02:43 |
| jpwhiting | ah, long tap, right | 02:43 |
| auenf | or if the app has an exit option | 02:43 |
| jpwhiting | which most conveniently don't have | 02:47 |
| jpwhiting | meh, almost working just as well, thanks for the hints | 02:47 |
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| ieatlint | ok, just got the lumia 800 gift... | 03:04 |
| ieatlint | and i'm again into that whole shouting "WHY?!?!?!" mode | 03:04 |
| ieatlint | also, this may be the first nokia phone i've had in memory that doesn't give me info for *#0000# | 03:05 |
| javispedro | just wait until it crashes | 03:18 |
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| arekinath | please say it has a bsod crash screen | 03:42 |
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| Milhouse | ieatlint - even better when you try to call *#0000#, the dialog shows garbage | 04:38 |
| Milhouse | (on the 800, that is) | 04:38 |
| auenf | did n900 do *#0000# with initial PR? | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 04:45 |
| auenf | i know it didnt do any other *# commands for ages | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | on N900 OS and modem firmware both were from same manufacturer. Obviously nobody ever heard about *#000# in Redmond | 04:46 |
| auenf | hmm, does uiq do *#0000# | 04:46 |
| Milhouse | The thing is, many of these *# codes are "secret" Nokia codes.... obviously WP7 isn't a Nokia product | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not entirely true, it also did *06# | 04:46 |
| javispedro | the n950 does *#0000# even for skype calls =) | 04:47 |
| Milhouse | the 800 seems to respond to *#06# though (IMEI) | 04:47 |
| auenf | hmm, seems nokia 6708 does *#0000# | 04:48 |
| auenf | (which is a rebadged benq siemens uiq phone) | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | what? nokia sells siemens relabled hw? | 04:50 |
| auenf | well, 2005 :P | 04:54 |
| javispedro | qt is great | 05:09 |
| javispedro | well, it will be great, some day. | 05:09 |
| Milhouse | quick lumia question - to transfer music and video to the 800, must you install this zune bloatware? there's really no drag & drop/mass storage support? | 05:25 |
| auenf | no msd in wp7 (afaik) | 05:27 |
| Milhouse | wot a load of shit... no way zune is going anywhere near my pc... | 05:27 |
| Milhouse | was already bummed i couldn't ssh the files across over wifi. | 05:28 |
| Milhouse | :) | 05:28 |
| auenf | http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/11/20/copy-files-to-a-windows-phone-7-device-in-windows-explorer/ | 05:28 |
| Milhouse | thanks | 05:28 |
| auenf | dunno if you still need zune tho | 05:29 |
| Milhouse | yeah, looks like you do | 05:29 |
| javispedro | you do | 05:29 |
| javispedro | w7 does install it if you plug the device, previously asking you "If you accept a large download to use this device" | 05:30 |
| auenf | without zune installed, does the phone install as just a device that wmp can see? | 05:30 |
| javispedro | no | 05:31 |
| javispedro | w7 autoinstalls zune, that's what I meant | 05:32 |
| javispedro | at least if you let it continue when asked | 05:32 |
| auenf | sounds like you need zune then | 05:32 |
| Milhouse | w7 hasn't auto installed much, if anything | 05:32 |
| auenf | msd ftw! | 05:32 |
| auenf | also, PR1.1 OTA needs to hurry up and show up... | 05:32 |
| Milhouse | i can see the Lumia 800 as a Portable Media Player in devices, but I can't do much with it | 05:33 |
| Milhouse | Apart from eject it | 05:33 |
| auenf | cant do that reg tweak? | 05:33 |
| Milhouse | Just as well I don't have any plans for this device. :) | 05:33 |
| Milhouse | auenf: can't find the zunedriver, not installed | 05:33 |
| auenf | sounds like wp7 cant live without zune | 05:34 |
| auenf | just like iphone cant live without itunes | 05:34 |
| Milhouse | i guess Zune is to WP7 as iTunes is to iOS | 05:34 |
| Milhouse | just so used to msd with nokia and hate having to install bloatware just to transfer my own media | 05:35 |
| auenf | zune is windows only | 05:35 |
| auenf | theres a mac connector | 05:35 |
| auenf | and nothing for lunix | 05:35 |
| Milhouse | there's a surprise. :) | 05:36 |
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| Milhouse | mind you the same is true for itunes | 05:37 |
| auenf | btw, the way wp7 handles conversations looks interesting in screen shots | 05:40 |
| auenf | nfi how it'd be to actually use it like that | 05:40 |
| auenf | http://assets.hardwarezone.com/img/wp7-messaging.jpg | 05:41 |
| auenf | rather than separate conversation thread for different contact methods | 05:41 |
| Milhouse | wp7 does a few things better than meego-harmattan, but also a few things worse - for instance, I hate the text-heavy twitter view in the People Hub, and its complete lack of avatars which I use on the N9[50] to quickly identify the source of each tweet. | 05:48 |
| Milhouse | email on wp7 is better than m-h | 05:48 |
| Milhouse | obviously i've no idea about the media player... :) | 05:49 |
| Sazpaimon | sure is a lot of WP7 talk around here | 05:49 |
| Sazpaimon | did i walk into the wrong channel? | 05:49 |
| Milhouse | i guess a few have received their developer devices - don't worry, it won't last. :) | 05:49 |
| Milhouse | interesting to compare/contrast but then it will die down. | 05:49 |
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| RST38h | Moo? | 11:35 |
| dm8tbr | mmmoooooo! | 11:37 |
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| ieatlint | oooom | 12:33 |
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| ieatlint | man, i need a pink one http://i.imgur.com/aPQ2z.jpg | 12:48 |
| ieatlint | also, a larger bunny | 12:49 |
| SpeedEvil | 'I have no idea what you're talking about, so here is a bunny with a n9 on its head. | 12:50 |
| ieatlint | done http://imgur.com/YhOtX | 12:53 |
| dm8tbr | :D | 12:54 |
| ieatlint | too heavy for me to actually balance it there :P | 12:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 12:54 |
| SpeedEvil | That's why you use glue. | 12:54 |
| dm8tbr | dependency: large bunny | 12:55 |
| ieatlint | yes, if i used glue, my gf and a large number of other people would kick my ass | 12:55 |
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| auenf | <ieatlint> man, i need a pink one http://i.imgur.com/aPQ2z.jpg <-- err, the focus of the photo is on the bunny? | 13:18 |
| wirwe | hi. does anyone use a web.de-mailaccount on the n9 with the standard-mail-app and can tell me the smtp-configuration? i tried out different ports, but it just don't work. :-( | 13:18 |
| ieatlint | yeah, well, the bunny is an attention whore | 13:20 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: So, which phone is rabbit's? | 13:20 |
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| ieatlint | the n950 | 13:20 |
| auenf | all the ones without keyboards id say | 13:20 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: Oh no, the n950 is too precious! | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I can only say that operating phones with ones nose is hard. | 13:21 |
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| RST38h | Speed: Try doing it with your beak - the parakeet is having really hard time! | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if rabbits have adequate fine motor conrol with their front paws. | 13:21 |
| ieatlint | he'd probably just get frustrated and start thumping | 13:22 |
| RST38h | Sped: I think you want these: http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/coon-suit-riot-0000040-v18n11 | 13:23 |
| RST38h | Speed: rabbits simply won't do | 13:23 |
| ieatlint | damn coons | 13:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wirwe: while I use web.de only from regular PC, I can help with info: there's nothing unusual with web.de smtp/pop3 setup. Just use proper authentication for smtp, and don't poll pop3 more frequently than every 15 min, otherwise you get "-EPOLLTOOFAST" | 13:30 |
| nid0 | wirwe: your mobile provider might be blocking port25 though, many do, if so you might need to use 587 or another alternate smtp port if they provide one | 13:31 |
| nid0 | (they = web.de) | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | smtp.web.de:25 TLS | 13:32 |
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| wirwe | DocScrutinizer: I'm using imap for retrieving mail, which works. only the stmp-server seems to be a problem. which is the proper authentification for smtp? does it matter if i choose ssl or not? | 13:35 |
| wirwe | nid0: i already tried 587, but didn't work either… | 13:35 |
| auenf | wirwe, are you at least choosing login auth for smtp? | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | TLS | 13:36 |
| wirwe | ah TLS ok, i try | 13:36 |
| auenf | iirc, 'none' is default | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | TLS, server requires authentication, PLAIN, username = local part of your mailaddr | 13:38 |
| wirwe | auenf: normal password? | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, same password | 13:38 |
| auenf | generally smtp servers dont work without a login unless you are 'local' to them | 13:39 |
| auenf | ie, your ISP's smtp server wouldnt require a login | 13:39 |
| wirwe | does not work. :-( auenf: what meens i'm locat to them? | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 13:39 |
| auenf | your account details should work with them i assume | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you noticed my comment about MINPOLL? | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it counts for *all* concurrently working mail clients, on all machines | 13:41 |
| wirwe | oh really? means i should close my mailprogramm on the pc? although i'm not using pop3, but imap? | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | in former times they also supported pop3_before_send | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | auth | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik imap isn't offivially supported by web.de anymore, anyway | 13:42 |
| jani | DocScrutinizer: last nights conversation, do you know if there's a list of tokens that ovi can grant ? | 13:42 |
| auenf | imap doesnt work in hotmail, but mfe does :/ | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess you must not poll more often than every 15 min, no matter which method | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | jani: good question, alas I have no clue | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | generally those that the SDE will ask for, as the SDE/IDE has a clue what's available from OVI | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that's how it *should* be, might break though in real life | 13:44 |
| jani | as i have a creeping feeling that dsme::DeviceStateControl & mce::DeviceModeControl might be the ones that are only granted for nokia apps .. | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite likely | 13:46 |
| wirwe | DocScrutinizer: hm, that's weird. i'm using imap on every device, although it's not supported with freemail, right.^^ ok i will wait a few minutes.^^ | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | not supported means they stopped support, not that hey discontinued it completely | 13:47 |
| wirwe | okay | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and maybe I even confuse that with GMX | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | MINPOLL also only applies to the free accounts, not to the paid ones | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or maybe those have a shorter MINPOLL | 13:48 |
| auenf | telnet to the server to see what error it gives for your account? | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAH, they even changed the error msg recently, no more "MINPOLL bla bla" gibberish: "login only every 720 seconds allowed" | 13:49 |
| wirwe | auenf: am i doing it right? # telnet smtp.web.de | 13:55 |
| wirwe | Trying 217.72.192.157... | 13:55 |
| wirwe | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out | 13:55 |
| auenf | need to specify the correct port | 13:55 |
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| auenf | ie, you are going to use telnet to attempt to connect to the imap or smtp service | 13:56 |
| auenf | you may want to look up imap/smtp commands before connecting so you know how to login and quit ;) | 13:56 |
| wirwe | auenf: right, with port 25 it seems to work.. ahh it's getting complicated xD | 13:56 |
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| auenf | rofl, meecast works in 2012 | 15:39 |
| auenf | but doesnt show any 2012 forecasts until you make it into that year | 15:39 |
| auenf | ohh, and something like 'happy new year' | 15:40 |
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| faenil | hey people :) | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | hey | 15:43 |
| tabasko | howdy | 15:47 |
| tabasko | is user:users permission right for /home/user -folder? | 15:47 |
| tabasko | I try install quake2 but fails because root has no write permission to /home/user :D | 15:47 |
| tabasko | in result quake2 is now only partly installed and there is green nameles icon in my homescreen | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | dpkg *has* permissions to write to /home/user | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | on HARM aegis changes the per-user permissions paradigm to a per-app token concept | 15:53 |
| tabasko | wow, confusing | 15:53 |
| tabasko | I actually tried first install quake2 with meecatalog app, but it also failed | 15:54 |
| tabasko | but Ill try dpkg, thnaks DocScrutinizer :) | 15:54 |
| tabasko | DocScrutinizer: changing permissions by hand may be bad idea? or is it even possible? | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is a question nobody can answer with a simple yes or no | 15:58 |
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| wirwe | what's the current situation for openmobile acl for the n9? | 16:03 |
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| rZr | wirwe: vaporware ? | 16:14 |
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| wirwe | RzR: okay, means it does already work, 'cause i read something different… | 16:22 |
| wirwe | ? | 16:22 |
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| RzR | wirwe: well i think we will know for sure on feb | 16:38 |
| RzR | after bcn wmc | 16:38 |
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| wirwe | happy new year! :-D | 17:46 |
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| javispedro | aegis error messages for "you messed xml syntax" can be quite weird | 19:46 |
| javispedro | I got "Manifest error: Manifest cannot have <! ..> elements" because I ended a comment with -> instead of --> | 19:46 |
| javispedro | the message is totally correct but it can confuse until you realize <! > elements are not comments | 19:47 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 20:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | when i use post with Qnetwork i get response but when i use get i get no response at all | 20:44 |
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| ZogG_laptop | happy new year btw | 20:46 |
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