IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2011-12-29

jonnipawky: Well you can always boot to openmode kernel with -l -b -k, doesnt need flashing00:00
pawkyjonni: Working upon that NSU lead at the moment...00:03
pawkyjonni: doesnt seem to do anything that NSU00:06
pawkyjonni: looks as if NSU wants the phone to be up and running..00:07
pawkyjonni: Its not the flashing to openmode thats the problem... that worked nicely... but after some files in /home/user didn't want to be removed... I thought of flashing it back to stock... and its here things started go wrong..00:08
pawkythe very thing I assumed should work.... getting things back to normal..00:08
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ZogG_laptoptold ya to wait00:09
pawkyZogG_laptop: I'm not going to comment that..00:10
pawkyThe problem is not the flashing itself.. or the communication.. the problem is ONLY because the system has this downgrade limitation that does seem to be a bit buggy..00:10
pawkyjonni: so.. you have run out of ideas as well?00:19
pawkyno ideas of using thet --flash-only= kernel or rootfs or whatever... is there any way how to actually see where it gets a kernel panic?00:20
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pawkydoes anybody know about those other files and what RM696_059L7N6_ccc_v2.bin and hwct.bin are?00:40
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pawkyare they something one should try to flash to the phone as well00:41
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macmaNsup dudes00:46
macmaNis tracepath available from somewhere00:46
jonnipawky: what did that -f -F -a combination do?00:51
jonni-f -c -F -a even, for that 1st error, you should find a flasher which supports -h, but most likely if redownloaded bin doesnt work then its nokia care time00:52
jonnithose other bins are hw certs, I wouldnt mess with them unless being really desperate00:53
DocScrutinizerjonni: I guess he already did, and thus nuked the root cert of his device00:54
DocScrutinizerI could figure you can't even flash them unless you got a dongle with yet another cert identifying you as legitimate service center or sth00:55
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DocScrutinizersome Nokian in here once told he nuked his device by messing with certs, and there was no way out of that bricked stage that wouldn't involve sending device back to factory for a thorough ICECOLD flash :-P00:57
rwhitbyone wonders about the cost/benefit of all this stuff ...00:58
* ieatlint fondly recalls the nokia n8, where if you did a hard reset on it, it would erase one of the root certs00:58
DocScrutinizerjonni: I'm just a bit less concerned as it seems to me all that trouble is rather unrelated to any openmode meddling, rather genuine flashing madness in it's most pure form00:58
DocScrutinizerrwhitby: indeed I did exactly this (wondering) less than 2 days ago00:59
* rwhitby is spoiled with webOS hardware, with no security measures at all in the way of development00:59
DocScrutinizerit's such an insane ratio between benefit and hassle00:59
jonniI've always been succesfull on flashing, so havent had those trouble, but in other hand I havent tried to flash .bins that are signatures etc, since that will surely fuck things up.01:00
rwhitbyI was considering the N9 as a target for the future open sourced webOS, but watching the discussion here over the last few days has made me think it will be far too much hassle to try and dual boot something from Nokia.01:01
DocScrutinizerjonni: as in "user initially flashed wrong fiasco image, which caused all further attempts to recover completely futile"01:01
jonniyep, thats why there is NSU, so users dont fuck things up and flash wrong images.01:02
pawkyjonni: not much.. just giving the good old cannot downgrade..01:02
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pawkyjonni: i am desparate... maybe the certs got messed up and thats why it doesnt boot?01:03
jonniwell you can always boot custom kernel with -l -b -k since that doesnt require any flashing01:03
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jonniand you can use -u to extract the kernel from official image and use -l -b -k to boot with that too, no downgrade warnings in there01:04
pawkyjonni: but the NSU doesnt do jack shit... as it doesnt seem wanting to start until you entered sync mode..01:04
pawkyrwhitby: you don't have to dual boot it..  just choose wether to use openmode or not..01:05
jonnipawky: you did the 20-30seconds powerkey to vibra when trying to start NSU?01:05
jonnisince that long press is the defacto way to get into flash mode01:05
pawkyjonni: i will try again :-)01:05
DocScrutinizerpawky: DANG, I seem to have told here some hours ago that NSU is *known* to not flash same version, only useful for true upgrades. You need to use cmdline flasher to reflash same version. At least that's what is written on ancient page there:01:06
infoboti heard maemo-flashing is
pawkyNow what is it to be guys? NSU or not?01:07
pawkyjonni: starts vibrating within 5 secs... but continuing01:09
DocScrutinizerpawky: judge by yourself: you say NSU doesn't work. I say NSU doesn't work - you're free to try another 20 times to convince NSU to magically start working. Or maybe I'm just not informed about most recent improvements in NSU, so you have to figure whom to ask about if NSU can do or you try for yourself until you came to a conclusion01:09
jonniwell same version flashing should work in always, its not working only when there is crc error in bin, variant missmatch, or certificate error. and only things to try are flash-only one part at time, or -l -b -k01:09
pawkyDocScrutinizer: well Jonni told me it might fix things automagically..01:09
pawkyjonni: no ideas using that --flash-only= parameter?01:09
jonniit might fix automaticly, but you would need to use -l -b -k to bootup custom kernel to get into sync mode.01:10
pawkyjonni: tried starting with the openmode kernel but nope..01:10
DocScrutinizerand how's that info making me any wiser (btw I'm actually reading *all* convo on this chan myself, so nothing new you'Re telling me)01:10
jonnipatched openmode or unpatched?01:10
pawkyjonni: unpatched...01:10
pawkyand I... installed opensh01:11
jonnipawky: try patched, since unpatched will fail if you messed up with the files01:11
ieatlintoooh, barcode scanning app in the store now.. and it works well enough01:11
pawky*searching for patched *01:11
pawkyjonni: so you don't believe the certificates got messed up somewhere needing them refreshed as well?01:12
jonnipawky: and if the device is trying to boot to ACT_DEAD, you can bypass that one by adding --set-rd-flags=force-power-key01:12
jonnipawky: they might have gotten messed up if you have tried to flash wrong .bin files01:13
DocScrutinizeroooh, OK. I'm actually not up to date: >>The Nokia Software Updater can now be used when updating from a previous firmware to a new one or re-flashing.<<01:13
infobotmethinks aegis-no-thanks is
pawkyDocScrutinizer: well.. I just get that "getting started" window.. and nothing happens there... so i wouldn't bet to much on it..01:15
Piruoh well, dropped my n9 to repair today. I mean if the phone side just drops dead daily (no calls, no sms, no inet) it's kind of useless as a phone01:16
Piruofcoz hotswapping the sim card "fixes" it for a while, but still...01:16
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DocScrutinizerpawky: please... When your car's motor refuses to start, how can you blame the polish ?01:16
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DocScrutinizermeh, polish vs Polish01:18
ieatlintenglish is awesome01:18
rwhitbyI blame Canada usually01:18
ieatlintthe noun for them is also good01:18
DocScrutinizerhere we blame the Polish01:18
ieatlint"i hit a pol with my car once"01:19
pawkyDocScrutinizer: because they are the guys doing quite a lot of programming for windows these days... ;-)01:19
DocScrutinizernah, they are the ones that steal your car, in every stupid joke here01:19
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ieatlinti'd have guessed the turks for that01:20
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DocScrutinizerthe Turks are just known for always driving Ford01:21
DocScrutinizerwith 2 metric tons of garbage tied to the top01:21
DocScrutinizerrecently BMW though, esp the young ones with gold necklace01:22
ieatlintgood food though01:22
DocScrutinizerenough non-PC joke quoting :-D01:22
DocScrutinizerPC != Personal Computer01:23
ieatlintyeah, i'm more hesitant to make those jokes in earshot of people i don't know01:23
ieatlintso i'll stick to insulting the irish and using the racial slur cracker01:23
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pawkyjonni: the only thing it seems to want to flash is the : DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.1_EMMC_339.bin file01:39
pawkyjonni: thus I am wondering why that one works, but none of the other ones?01:40
pawky*patched openmode kernel going in.. *01:43
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pawkynope.. patched kernel also only shows warning sign.. and then the unit turns itself of after a while...01:46
pawkyDocScrutinizer: it's not true that I would have flashed any root certs..01:49
DocScrutinizerpawky: it's not true that I inhaled01:50
pawkyDocScrutinizer: funny you should say that...
pawkyDocScrutinizer: thats all i have done flashing so far... some lines working others not..01:53
pawkyDocScrutinizer: but can you see any cert flashing in there???01:54
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pawkyjonni: you can see in my last paste all commands I have tried, which should be prety ok ones..01:55
DocScrutinizerunknown URL01:56
pawkyDocScrutinizer: seeing any certs?01:57
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pawkyDocScrutinizer: aren't you using openSuSE by the way?01:58
pawkyif so.. do you have flasher for it?01:58
DocScrutinizerwell, the "signed" in >>DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.2_PR_LEGACY_339_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin<< etc bothers me a bit01:58
pawkyDocScrutinizer: but that one has never been able to flash.. only the one with EMMC... I only used the other to get the APE or what its kalled to be able to flash kernel..02:00
DocScrutinizerpawky: flaher I use:  resp. - and yes, that's 950 flasher basically02:00
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DocScrutinizerpawky: that's what bothers me too: you say you need that image to flash kernel, and that image provides APE-algo which is messing with cmt, and cmt stores certs. Javispedro flashed his kernels without all that02:02
DocScrutinizeradmittedly on N950 though02:03
pawkyso.. flashing the certs will not fix it either?02:03
DocScrutinizerbasically we all don't understand why flasher or device would need any info or APE-algo from that fiasco image, to flash a new kernel02:03
pawkyDocScrutinizer: but it worked.. and thats how I got the openmode kernel in..02:04
DocScrutinizerpawky: I didn't say anything about flöashing certs. I actually think that's sth that can't be done02:04
pawkyI have never flashed the unit fully... except for the EMMC afterwards..02:04
pawkythus the only firwmare that got flashed is the DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.1_EMMC_339.bin02:06
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pawkyand this one still works to flash..02:06
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DocScrutinizerit's basically even unclear what this *EMMC* file is - at all02:06
pawkyi recently did the lines 519-52702:07
pawkyto me that EMMC is the only working one.. ;-)02:07
* DocScrutinizer sighs reading those comments02:07
pawkyDocScrutinizer: ok.. now I got your flasher in this computer :-)02:09
pawkyflasher -i = Version of 'sw-release': DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.2_PR_33902:09
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pawkyDocScrutinizer: maybe a good idea could be to unpack that EMMC file?02:12
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pawkyDocScrutinizer: whats this --erse-mmc option about?02:15
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pawkyDocScrutinizer: flasher option..02:17
pawkyaDocScrutinizer: and also in DocScrutinizer:
DocScrutinizerselects an algo how to erase mmc flash before reflashing new content, there's been sth like fast and full, or sth. Sometimes one of both didn't work02:18
pawkyDocScrutinizer: so.. no problems doing erase-mmc and erase-user then?02:18
pawkythats interesting... i see a monkey french on my N9...02:19
DocScrutinizererrr, your way to ask questions or state things starts to annoy me. Maybe it's just me. Anyway, there WERE problems: sometimes one of those --erase-mmc options didn't work for N950, so devels had to change it - from fast to the other iirc02:20
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pawkyDocScrutinizer: in what way?02:22
DocScrutinizerMUST be me, I dunno what to answer02:23
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pawkyDocScrutinizer: I have unpacked that signed bin file now... do you have any idea what to look for in it all to get an idea what this specific version is all about?02:37
DocScrutinizersorry, no02:37
pawkyWhat I can see, that EMMC firmware file seems to just create the two partitions vfat and ext402:55
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pawkyit contains the two partitions mmc0 and mmc1. mmc0 (vfat) contains Documetns, Moies Music etc..02:57
DocScrutinizerpawky: yes, that's what the "*VANILLA*"  eMMC file did for N90002:59
pawkyHowever I cannot mount that mmc1 file.. not as ext4 or simillar03:00
DocScrutinizeractually it didn't create those, but rather filled them with content IIRC03:00
DocScrutinizeryou really should read about03:02
pawky*pawky enlighten himself about flash *03:03
DocScrutinizerharmattan is based on fremantle, and there's a *lot* of legacy, regarding concepts, naming etc03:03
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DocScrutinizerpawky: you tried -vvvv to increase verbosity of diagnostic output of flasher? also try --erase-mmc --erase-user-date03:49
pawkyDocScrutinizer: will do :-)03:49
DocScrutinizerpawky: also I probably told incorrect info about what's ape-algo03:49
DocScrutinizerit might not be related to cmt03:50
DocScrutinizerBut I can't look up the details right now03:50
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pawkyDocScrutinizer: i think this line was a bad idea :-(  --flash-only=kernel -f -k RM696_059L7N6_20.2011.40.4_001_signature.bin03:52
DocScrutinizerpawky: actually I guess is the best "howto" on flashing that Nokia ever released for HARM03:52
DocScrutinizerpawky: yes, I think this might have nuked any signatures03:53
pawkyDocScrutinizer: well.. i think i succeeded to flash an XML file into the kernel...03:53
DocScrutinizerwhich indeed was the better of the both possible option of the damage it did03:54
DocScrutinizer-f though means "flash all I gave you", which for sure isn'T a nice thing for a signature03:55
pawkyDocScrutinizer: ahh.. yeah.. so the result would have been flash only the kernel from that bin file and also install this RM696 stuff..03:55
pawkyDocScrutinizer: thats why it doesnt work.. it has installed that xml bin :-(03:56
DocScrutinizerit's the question now if --flash-only overrides -f, or if -f is last relevant option given and thus overrides all previous ones03:56
pawkyDocScrutinizer: well.. --flash-only kernel tells it to rip the kernel from that DFL61 file, -f tells it to flash whatever is on the command line.. thus RM696 ought to have been flashed as well03:57
pawkyThis is the only logical explanation to it all :-(03:57
pawkynow the question will be... what could i replace that RM696 with?03:58
DocScrutinizerthis signature file for sure had no relevant kernel or rootfs data03:58
DocScrutinizerisn't it just a few KB size?03:59
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bindiI do like kelvinbytes.03:59
DocScrutinizermeh :-D03:59
pawkyNo.. but what happened is like this... flasher takes the kernel from file A and burns it.. then flashes RM696 as well03:59
DocScrutinizerwhat you THINK has happened03:59
pawkyif you say flasher -F file.bin --flash-only=kernel it will ripp the kernel out of that FIASCO file and flash it..04:00
DocScrutinizerwhere's -F in your quote above?04:00
pawkythus: flasher -F file.bin --flash-only=kernel  -f RM696.bin  will also flash the last file... not as a kernel just as it is..04:00
pawkysorry, i just took the last bit of the whole line...04:01
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pawkyi give you full04:01
pawkyDocScrutinizer: flasher -a DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.2_PR_LEGACY_339_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -k RM696_059L7N6_20.2011.40.4_001_signature.bin04:02
pawkyso.. what happens if I would flash all the cert files? are they not provided for the ability to do so?04:20
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pawkyis anyone awake with an N9 and flasher around?04:31
rwhitbyyes, for something read-only04:32
pawkyDocScrutinizer: still awake?04:32
pawkyrwhitby: but ofcourse ;-)04:32
pawkyflasher --read-cert-cmt=CCC  by example04:32
pawkythis can be done with DocScruitinizers flasher
pawkynot sure which version he uses..04:33
pawkyrwhitby: will you get any results from that one? or an error?04:33
pawkyrwhitby: i am trying to figure out what might be f..ed with my certs..04:34
rwhitbyflasher 3.12.1 (Oct  5 2011) Harmattan04:35
rwhitbyflasher: unrecognized option `--read-cert-cmt=CCC'04:35
pawkyrwhitby: I cannot get anything out when using --read-cert-cmt=RDC CCC NPC or HWC04:35
rwhitbyon OSX04:35
pawkyrwhitby: damn..04:35
pawkyrwhitby: if you just do flasher... do you have any -read-cert possibilities?04:35
pawkyrwhitby: bugger :-(04:35
rwhitbythis is stock flasher for mac from nokia04:35
DocScrutinizerFUCK! I told you not to mess with flasher's cert options!!!!04:35
pawkyDocScrutinizer: I am not doing anything with the certs!04:36
pawkyDocScrutinizer: just reading them...04:36
DocScrutinizeryou earned a kick for this comment(s) - just pending04:36
pawkyDocScrutinizer: but it might be quite obvious the last flasher line I sent you must have done sometihng evil..04:36
pawkyDocScrutinizer: now what?04:37
pawkyDocScrutinizer: if you look upon my last flasher statement i believe it must have installed the RM696....bin file.. what else would make things go haywire..04:38
pawkyDocScrutinizer: so.. how else would you suggest I will be able to figure out what might have gone wrong then?04:39
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pawkyDocScrutinizer: what exactly do you think I earned a kick for?04:41
pawkyrwhitby: thank you for trying to help out anyways..04:44
rwhitbyno worries, mate.04:45
pawkyDocScrutinizer: still there?04:58
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npm_why it might be dangerous to use all the buttons on lumia800 to control your app: :-)!/asrialbaker/status/149736848510566400/photo/108:22
rwhitbynpm_: that makes a good party trick in the northern regions08:24
* DocScrutinizer sets up an autoresponder to answer URLs starting with by08:29
DocScrutinizer~lart fsckng twitter08:29
* infobot turns fsckng twitter into a lifesized tux doll08:29
DocScrutinizerincredible that those idiots managed to set up a page that loads 130 photos to simply display a blank blue page with a tiny bird in the corner, if you're not using a browser compatible with their screwed idea of JS08:31
DocScrutinizereven more incredible that they don't fix it08:31
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ieatlinthey, they'll fix that once they finish figuring out a business plan09:01
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_MeeGoBot_Bug 295 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Missing S/MIME Support in nokia mail client09:28
Arkenoiit changed status to ASSIGNED, not WONTFIX as expected09:28
auenfArkenoi, which PR_xxx is your firmware?09:55
Arkenoiauenf, 1.109:56
auenfat the end of the version string it has PR_xxx09:56
ArkenoiRM_680 sure09:57
auenfnot quite the right one either09:57
JaffaMorning, all09:57
Arkenoidoes it matter?09:57
ArkenoiRM680 even09:58
auenfcurious to see which variant you are that hasnt been updated09:58
Arkenoiauenf, generic dev kit, not one of cryptic early prototypes09:59
Arkenoiauenf, which update do you mean?09:59
auenfi assume your the creator of the bug?09:59
tommaRM 680 is N95009:59
Arkenoitomma, yes10:00
Arkenoiauenf, not me, but i'd like it to be fixed too :-)10:00
Arkenoiis there version that already has it fixed?10:01
tommaand yes latest version is pr 1.1 (39-5)10:01
auenfnfi, but whoever submitted the bug did say they are still on PR1.010:01
Arkenoiauenf, the bug itself lists 20.2011.40-4 on n910:02
tommayes and someone commented that still broken in 40-410:03
auenf"I'm still on 10.2011.34-1 because the 20.2011.40-4 firmware is still not10:03
auenfavailable for my unbranded N9! But I think it is the same with the newer10:03
Arkenoiah, yes10:03
Arkenoithat's strange10:03
auenfnot really10:03
auenfmine hasnt be sent update yet either10:04
auenfand its unbranded also :P10:04
auenfhence the original query :P10:04
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ieatlintthat's odd... i've had two unbranded n9s get the update10:07
ieatlintthat doesn't make sense though... if the phone is unbranded, then why would your carrier make a difference?10:10
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auenfi think its more along the lines of nokia australia blocking the unbranded updates as well as the branded updates due to carriers10:11
ieatlinti dunno... happily a nonissue for me though10:12
ieatlinti'm not sure which market either of these n9s were destined for... this one has 40-4 with a variant of 00510:13
ieatlintthe other is 00110:13
* ieatlint shrugs10:13
tommahmm... so update would be possible by removing sim, changing region and using proxy... maybe?10:13
ieatlintno, it wouldn't be tied like that10:14
Arkenoiisn't there ocf for n9?10:14
ieatlintthe implication is that the aussie distributed devices have a specific variant of the software, and when it hits the update server and reports its variant, the server says there's nothing10:14
tommaso there is different firmware in australian n910:14
ieatlintArkenoi: nope10:14
ieatlintthere is a questionable method to obtain the FIASCO image though via navifirm10:16
ieatlintbut whether that violates your warranty and/or copyright is a separate discussion (that shouldn't be brought up here again :)10:16
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dm8tbrbtw: there is a real possibility that the n9 software for Oz has some operator specific bits. E.g. different cellmo parameters? is the mobile phone network in the outback 'special'?10:18
arekinathafaik PR1.1 isn't available with the oz code yet, but I have no idea what the differences are. I haven't noticed any10:38
arekinathI'm not exactly outback, but I use it on nextG and have crap reception at home and a few dead spots, and before and after flashing it was the same for me10:39
arekinathall the APNs were picked up and work ok10:40
* arekinath shrugs10:40
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CissWithow can i know which country code my n9 has ?10:49
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jonniCissWit: that should be printed in your simcard holder10:57
CissWitoh yes thanks. So the PR1.1 is available for my country code but i still have no update notification. Looks like i need to use NSU.11:01
CissWiti really don't understand why i don't receive the update ota11:05
ieatlintbackup before updating11:08
ieatlintseems the failure rate for updating is high11:08
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auenfCissWit, in about product, what is the PR_xxx in the version string?11:32
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jussiRzR: about?11:45
fralsjonni: you do know the product code is not always mapping to only one variant, right?11:48
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auenfnot sure what variant that refers to11:53
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Hei_Kuhello. how do I make an app for harmattan that just opens a web page? Is there an example around?15:01
auenfcreate one from the browser on the phone, then copy the files?15:04
Hei_Kuthe idea is to package it as an app15:13
Hei_Kunot just create a shortcut on my apps view15:13
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dm8tbrthen package the .desktop file into a .deb :)15:19
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Hei_Ku:) thanks15:25
jussiHrm, is anyone aware of a g+ app for n9? (other than just the mobile web page...)15:27
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heymasterNokia 500 for Qt development.. is worth to buy?15:52
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RzRjussi: I am hearing voices15:58
jussiRzR: hehe, voices? are they good or bad ? are they telling you to eat more chocolate? :D15:59
javispedro~seen MohammandAG15:59
infobotjavispedro: i haven't seen 'mohammandag'16:00
javispedrooops =)16:00
javispedro~seen MohammadAG16:00
infobotmohammadag is currently on #maemo #meego, last said: 'The pieces were transparent?'.16:00
RST38hevening, javispedro16:00
jussiRzR: did you see what I said earlier?16:00
jussi[14:54:52] <jussi> RzR: I figured out whats wrong. We need to set the package to build the mobile client.16:00
jussi[14:55:55] <jussi> RzR: so in the packaging, pass "-DWANT_MOBILECLIENT" to cmake.16:00
javispedroRST38h: hello16:00
RzRok i will try if needd16:01
RzRbut does it worth it ?16:01
jussiRzR: please, please pretty please? its no longer in ovi store and the deb on qt apps is broken...16:02
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DocScrutinizermoo javispedro RST38h16:17
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marsjeif I try to download an app with my N9, I get a error18:37
marsjein the syslog I see this: pkgmgrd: GLIB MESSAGE default - "ASSUME NETWORK 0"18:37
marsjeany idea what this is?18:38
marsjemeego has pretty useless logging...18:38
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Corsacmhm, cmdline has bootreason=sw_rst18:42
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JaffaISTR some of the built-in apps have a BusyIndicator in their toolbar; but when I put on in a ToolbarLayout; it has no padding and butts up against the left edge. Any ideas?19:06
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wirwe hey guys. does anyone know how the n9 own notes-app is officially called and where its notes are saved?20:05
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DocScrutinizerI guess notes are saved in tracker, what else! ;-P20:21
DocScrutinizerto render the whole POS even more useless than on fremantle20:22
DocScrutinizeron fremantle I epically failed to get me a shoppinglist.desktop icon to execute osso_notes /home/user/MyDocs/shoppinglist, simply because osso_notes doesn't take any cmdline arguments to open a particular file20:26
DocScrutinizeron HARM I wouldn't even bother to investigate any further20:27
DocScrutinizerask Nokia Care, I guess they'll answer you have to do it by coding a QML app for your shoppinglist20:27
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wirweHm, okay. I just want to copy the notes to my computer, but I simply can't find them…20:35
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Richlvwirwe, teh internets is full with complaints that there is no way to transfer, save, export, whatever the notes...20:52
Richlvwondering how did that part of the spec look like :)20:52
Richlv"we should implement a way to export notes" - "nah, that's too advanced"20:52
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DocScrutinizer51"we should use tracker - period. WUT? which export?"21:06
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DocScrutinizer51a pity there's no successor of HARM, I'd adore to see whole /etc/* stored in tracker21:08
javispedroactually, if the notes were to be stored in tracker, it would be quite easy to export them21:09
javispedroinstead of $RANDOM_BINARY_FORMAT21:09
DocScrutinizer51kill all designers21:10
DocScrutinizer51if they hadn't that paradigm of 'user mustn't get confused by any pathnames", wemd never have seen such botch21:11
javispedroblame apple21:11
javispedrooh btw21:11
javispedroandridiot doesn't hide pathnames =)21:11
DocScrutinizer51and apple failed epically on that nasty silly concept21:12
DocScrutinizer51so Nokia thought they gonna do it *right* to show apple21:12
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wirweHm, okay, that's frustrating. Although I can't imagine how it can be saved, but not found anywhere … xD21:18
DocScrutinizer51stracemis your friend21:18
DocScrutinizer51strace is your friend21:18
Anssi138wirwe: indeed it might be in tracker db, it's quite simple to check.21:21
Anssi138 etc..
JaffaAnssi138: Your definition of "quite easy" is predicated on knowing already where it's stored in Tracker.21:26
RST38hAh, hi Jaffa21:27
RST38hHave you got anything new and exciting to tell tonight?21:27
heymasterhow to connect nokia 500 with qt creator on the mac ?21:29
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javispedroheymaster: this is harmattan, I do not even know what a nokia 500 is and dunno if someone does =)21:34
Venemogri, ping21:38
heymasterjavispedro: yes, but this channel is more active than qt-symbian21:41
javispedromeanwhile, yes, notes are stored in a tracker, as ncal:Journal21:42
heymasterso maybe any developers worked with symbian anna..21:42
DocScrutinizerheymaster: please! Deliberate OffTopic is not very polite21:43
DocScrutinizerand not appreciated either21:44
heymasterDocScrutinizer: ok21:44
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javispedro$ tracker-sparql -q 'select fn:concat("{", ?text, "}") where { ?note a21:49
javispedroncal:Journal ; ncal:description ?text }'21:49
javispedroshows notes21:49
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: you're an animal! ;-D21:49
javispedrooops, unintended \n21:49
javispedrothe concat part is because otherwise you don't know where a note beings and ends, so this adds { } around each note21:50
javispedro(or you could look for indentation if you are scripting this)21:51
DocScrutinizerspargel, blah. I hate vegetables21:51
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* DocScrutinizer wonders WTF is wrong with good ol'SQL21:52
DocScrutinizertoo legible, probably21:53
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javispedrothis is a bit more expressive21:53
javispedro(aka unreadable ;) )21:54
DocScrutinizerscratch that21:54
DocScrutinizerthey better had used UGH or whitespace ;-P21:55
DocScrutinizergetting headache while trying to decrypt the syntax21:56
DocScrutinizer?note a ncal:Journal21:57
javispedrois a condition of the where, means "?note must be of type ncal:Journal"21:57
javispedrothey should have used "is-a" there =)21:58
DocScrutinizersounds like DATION21:58
javispedroall those new eink+touchscreen ebooks are android based22:00
javispedroone of those will probably be the first android device to enter my evil lair :(22:00
DocScrutinizergreat :-/22:00
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DocScrutinizerPearl DATION22:03
* DocScrutinizer just realized that there's actually a valid word dation in english too22:04
DocScrutinizerData stATION22:04
DocScrutinizerDATION ALPHIC22:05
* DocScrutinizer starts mad giggling22:05
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JaffaRST38h: Had an SAS check-in app ready and working; moved three lines from an onSubmit function handler to a new updateSettings function (in my QML file) and now it can't access the QSettings wrapper, claiming the property is unknown.22:10
Jaffa<sigh />22:10
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javispedrowho loads android on eink devices. all reviews complain that the frigging thing flickers when doing anything, which is to be expected as the android gfx subsystem is completely unusable for eink22:18
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M4rtinKwell thats pretty lame22:26
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M4rtinKI thought they would at least have some custom graphics system due to the specifics of the eink screen22:26
M4rtinKeq localized redraw much faster than whole screen redraw, etc.22:27
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SqRt7744Hi, I'm fairly new to coding for embedded systems, and I having a problem, I guess with the QtSDK. I'm trying to port evopedia to the N9. I can compile it in qtcreator for both the desktop and the emulator with no problem, but when I try to build/run it on the device, I get the error that bzlib.h can't be found. How can I install it?22:43
kralorSqRt7744: try apt-get install libbz2-dev22:44
SqRt7744yeah ok, thanks, I did that already22:44
SqRt7744it's installed on my desktop, and on the device to, but perhaps not in the toolchain?22:45
ieatlintSqRt7744: correct22:45
ieatlintchoose a different toolchain22:46
ieatlintthere should be two harmattan toolchains included... you need the platform toolchain22:46
SqRt7744actually, sorry, on the device libbz2-1.0 is installed, there is no -dev package22:47
SqRt7744hmm, how do I switch toolchains?22:49
SqRt7744the only one for Maemo 6 is madde22:51
poutsiif you have an up to date version of the qt sdk, you should be able to create targets named something like "meego 1.2 harmattan", I forget the exact wording22:53
poutsithere's two options, the other one has the word "platform" in it so I guess you'll want that :)22:54
SqRt7744poutsi, ok, will try sdk is maybe 2 days old, so should be up to date :-)22:55
poutsiit's all on the projects tab of creator22:57
ieatlintyeah, sorry, got pulled away22:58
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ieatlintsimplest way is projects tab, and with the harmattan target selected, there should be a combo box with "meego 1.2 harmattan api" selected22:59
ieatlintyou want to select "platform api for harmattan"22:59
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SqRt7744ok, call me a fool, but there is no such combo box, seems like the only thing I can select is between debug and release configs.. there is a toolchain option, but it's greyed out (there only being one to choose from)23:13
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SqRt7744on a side note, this SDK is pretty cool, hats off to the Qt team.23:15
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SqRt7744I just discoverd the SDKMaintenanceTool in the SDK repository that lets you add additional libs, etc. I think this has solved my problem (currently d/ling)23:26
SqRt7744^repository = directory23:26
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poutsiSqRt7744, when you open the projects tab, the targets for your selected project are shown side by side across the top of the view and there's a '+' button for creating new targets23:34
poutsiI'm pretty sure there's no way to select a harmattan toolchain for a non-harmattan target, could that have been it?23:34
SqRt7744surgery, well, it sucked. But Unfallchirurgie was awesome23:35
SqRt7744I split it in two, so 2 months of each.23:35
SqRt7744oh woops, wrong window  :-)23:35
SqRt7744poutsi, I see what you're talking about, but the + just added Maemo 5, which doesn't help much.23:37
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poutsiheh, guess it wouldn't :)23:39
SqRt7744poutsi, using the SDKMaintenanceTool, I can add the Harmattan Platform API, which, supposedly "contains the libraries, which are needed to compile you application for Harmattan", except, it does nothing of the sort since it won't install "Missing Dependencies".... so I give up and am going to be.23:40
SqRt7744but thanks for you help23:41
poutsitoo bad :/ did you run the online installer the first time round? I've had nothing but trouble with that, suggest you try the offline package next time23:42
SqRt7744Yeah, I used the online one.23:45
SqRt7744good tip though, maybe I'll try that tomorrow. It's always kinda frusterating trying to fight these kinds of problems down...23:45
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kraloranyone tried the qcamera example from the qt sdk ?23:54

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