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| RzR | jussi: http://rzr.online.fr/q/harmattan | 00:05 |
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| RzR | i am installing it on n950 | 00:05 |
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| jussi | RzR: I see the source link...? | 00:08 |
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| jussi | RzR: I also have n950. :) | 00:08 |
| RzR | then you should know how to add a apt repo | 00:14 |
| jussi | bah, I missed the repos. let me add it. | 00:16 |
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| RzR | ui is screewed | 00:18 |
| RzR | well it connected | 00:19 |
| RzR | i am unsure i will use it often | 00:20 |
| jpwhiting | hmm, anyone here know how to ssh into an N9 that already has ssh keys installed? | 00:20 |
| * jpwhiting tried ssh -i .ssh/id_rsa_nopass user@ip | 00:20 | |
| jpwhiting | also tried developer@ip, but no luck, both asked for password still | 00:20 |
| RzR | jussi: can you tell me what are the benefit of this irc client ? | 00:23 |
| jussi | RzR: Im hoping it has the client part in it also - I have a quassel core, which it can connect to. So you have a core which is always on, and you coneect to it. somewhat like a bouncer, but more featureful | 00:24 |
| javispedro | jpwhiting: by default "user" is disabled, you need to enable it by either setting a password ("passwd user") or editing /etc/passwd | 00:24 |
| javispedro | ah, you get asked for a password. | 00:24 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: in your log it states I flashed the 'firmware only'. It should be 'kernel only' :-) | 00:24 |
| jpwhiting | javispedro: running passwd as user it says I can't change the password for user | 00:25 |
| jpwhiting | in N9 terminal anyway | 00:25 |
| javispedro | jpwhiting: obviously, as root | 00:25 |
| RzR | jussi: i use bip on my nas | 00:25 |
| jpwhiting | ah, how do I get root? just su? | 00:25 |
| javispedro | well, not obviously =) | 00:25 |
| javispedro | jpwhiting: devel-su | 00:25 |
| jpwhiting | devel-su also asks for a password... | 00:26 |
| jussi | RzR: fair enough, I use Quassel core on my server and quassel on the desktop. | 00:26 |
| pawky | maybe its time for us to greate a FAQ? | 00:26 |
| jussi | RzR: have a look at: http://quassel-irc.org/ | 00:27 |
| jpwhiting | is there a default root password or something? | 00:27 |
| javispedro | jpwhiting: rootme | 00:27 |
| pawky | things are getting a bit repetetive here... then again not even I am perfect ;-) | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | passwd user | 00:27 |
| RzR | http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=xmpp | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | /topic | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | 00:28 |
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| jussi | bah, i fail. its after midnight and I have work in the morning. Ill look at it then. In anycase, thanks very much RzR. | 00:33 |
| jpwhiting | javispedro: thx | 00:33 |
| javispedro | jpwhiting: read the link DocScrutinizer gave above | 00:35 |
| javispedro | =P | 00:35 |
| RzR | jussi: how did it fail ? it worked for me | 00:35 |
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| ieatlint | oooh, my developer gift is now in leipzig | 01:02 |
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| pawky | what does it do in Leipzig? | 01:08 |
| arcean_ | probably waits for another plane :) | 01:09 |
| pawky | Business class or regular? | 01:09 |
| arcean_ | cargo :P | 01:09 |
| pawky | :-D | 01:09 |
| arcean_ | in Lepizig is the largest DHL sorting facility | 01:10 |
| RzR | ieatlint: when did you get the faken9 email from nok ? | 01:11 |
| pawky | Has no one still tried my noob hacking solution to how to get rid of having to re-enter the passwords for all accounts after having flashed a N9? | 01:11 |
| pawky | Would be nice to have some confirmation wether it works... | 01:11 |
| ieatlint | RzR: the shipment notification? | 01:11 |
| ieatlint | i got it tuesday morning finland time.. | 01:12 |
| RzR | no the 1st announce that you can order it ? | 01:12 |
| ieatlint | i ordered it dec 14 though | 01:12 |
| RzR | k | 01:12 |
| ieatlint | i never got an email telling me i could order it actually | 01:13 |
| pawky | and it is a....? | 01:13 |
| RzR | i did not recieved that one | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | i just went to the DDP order page and it said i could order one | 01:13 |
| RzR | ieatlint: so you just log in LP ? | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | yes | 01:13 |
| RzR | i might have missed that day | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/DDP | 01:13 |
| RzR | i was bad this year, santa spyed me | 01:14 |
| RzR | santa used spywares to track us | 01:14 |
| RzR | ieatlint: i have a message : Please note we will not be adding new devices for Discounted Device Program service. | 01:14 |
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| ieatlint | well, if you were eligible, i'm sure you didn't miss it | 01:16 |
| ieatlint | that message is for something else | 01:17 |
| ieatlint | DDP isn't "discounted device program" | 01:17 |
| ieatlint | it's "device distribution program" | 01:17 |
| RzR | well i am not hurry | 01:19 |
| ieatlint | if you are a nokia launchpad member, and you can't order it, you might want to email and ask | 01:19 |
| RzR | who to email ? | 01:19 |
| kimju | afaik, the discontinued program was for corporations to buy development devices at discounted prices. and there seems to also been clearance sale for those devices (for corporations) | 01:19 |
| ieatlint | because any delay should just be in it shipping, not in it not being order-able | 01:19 |
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| ieatlint | kimju: my understanding is the same... doesn't apply to nokia launchpad individual members | 01:20 |
| RzR | well i wont kill for a such device | 01:20 |
| ieatlint | indeed | 01:21 |
| ieatlint | i don't know off hand who to ask | 01:21 |
| ieatlint | DDP themselves perhaps | 01:21 |
| ieatlint | not sure | 01:21 |
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| RzR | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/ubuntu-adds-special-glow-to-nokias-lumia-800-event-in-london/ | 01:25 |
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| ieatlint | that was anticlimactic | 01:34 |
| ieatlint | that must've been really drunk to be that impressed by an orange light | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RzR: individual LP? or corporate | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: "it" being a hooker800 | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | so nothing to get really excited | 01:48 |
| javispedro | have they sold a hooker800 yet? | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, my O2 store next corner has them on stock | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | since weeks | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1€ down payment + 24 months a ~24€ | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | or sth like that | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | 21€? 19? | 01:53 |
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| pawky | uhh.... a windows thingy :-( | 01:55 |
| ieatlint | yeah, and it doesn't work on 3g with my carrier here in the US | 01:58 |
| pawky | is it a european version? | 01:59 |
| ieatlint | i get the impression nokia just took the ref platform MS gave them and the case from the n9 and say "tada!" | 01:59 |
| * javispedro just noticed the spanish engadget review for the Lumia is giving Benchmark speed tests results in "L/s" which can only mean liters per second | 02:00 | |
| ieatlint | there are two umts carriers in the US... the lumia 800 works with one of them, and not mine | 02:00 |
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| ieatlint | (every single other smartphone released by nokia since the n8 has supported both US UMTS carriers) | 02:00 |
| pawky | cant you buy a cash card, or what they are called? | 02:01 |
| ieatlint | a prepaid sim? sure... but why? i have a postpaid account, and i don't plan to ever use this phone for really anything | 02:02 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: Did you change the comment in your log from firmware to kernel? :-) | 02:02 |
| ieatlint | will work with wifi and 2g for any testing i want to do | 02:02 |
| pawky | fair enough | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pawky: not yet | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | now I did | 02:06 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: :-) | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | already thought it might be wrong | 02:06 |
| pawky | :-) | 02:07 |
| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, is there any easy way to check if one is using the new open mode kernel or the regular one, uname -a shows the name of the open mode one, but i dont know if the regular one is named the same or not | 02:07 |
| javispedro | "new" open mode kernel? | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | check the compile date | 02:07 |
| pawky | accl -I | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^^ | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | or that | 02:07 |
| pawky | should tell you open | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | accli -I -> open vs normal | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | see my successful-session-log | 02:08 |
| Lilltiger | ok so i failed :) | 02:08 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: maybe you can do me the honers and test that signon trick? :-) | 02:08 |
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| pawky | s/honers/honours/ | 02:09 |
| infobot | pawky meant: DocScrutinizer: maybe you can do me the honours and test that signon trick? :-) | 02:09 |
| Lilltiger | winflasher closes the window so fast that i dont see what it says :( | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, winflasher | 02:09 |
| Lilltiger | indeed meh | 02:09 |
| Lilltiger | i miss my linux.. stupid games :p | 02:10 |
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| Lilltiger | what mode should i connect my usb with when flashing, the Sync mode is the only one that detects my phone in winflasher | 02:12 |
| pawky | then sync mode it is ;-) | 02:12 |
| pawky | or.. you can also turn it of... | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: you shall sart flasher, then plug in the shut-down device | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | start* | 02:13 |
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| Lilltiger | ohh shut-own hehe dident try that one | 02:13 |
| Lilltiger | down | 02:13 |
| pawky | but you can also flash by using sync :-) | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | highly amazing as that's not really invoking ROMBOOT | 02:14 |
| pawky | When wanting to change my kernel lastly I didn't get my phone to get recognised in its off state, so I used the sync state... | 02:14 |
| Lilltiger | hmm the infoscreen just dissapears, cant see what is happening :( | 02:14 |
| pawky | well.. I think ieatlint gave me the hint to use sync... :-) | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: use a decent method! use cmd and cmdline flasher, when you NEED to use windows | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is no clicky-micky thing | 02:15 |
| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, i do use the cmd flasher, but the cmd window the flasher opens dissapers before i can see what it says | 02:16 |
| pawky | well a decent method in my oppinion would be flasher from linux ;-) | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | DNAG | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | you shall OPEN A DOSBOX! | 02:16 |
| Lilltiger | =D | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | execute->cmd | 02:17 |
| pawky | oh, my god Harmattan has turned into a dos school... | 02:17 |
| Lilltiger | ? | 02:18 |
| pawky | :-D | 02:18 |
| * javispedro hears dosbox and runs | 02:18 | |
| Lilltiger | i start cmd, i gotr to the folder with flasher.exe | 02:18 |
| pawky | you need to run flasher from a command line | 02:18 |
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| Lilltiger | i type in: flasher.exe -f --flash-only=kernel -k zImage-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 -b | 02:19 |
| pawky | so.. you have run cmd.exe | 02:19 |
| Lilltiger | then it opens a new cmd window | 02:19 |
| Lilltiger | that waits for the usb connection | 02:19 |
| pawky | yes, thats a good start :-) | 02:19 |
| Lilltiger | and as soon as i connect it that new window closes | 02:19 |
| Lilltiger | without me seeing what it says | 02:19 |
| pawky | yes.. thats because your not doing things right.. | 02:20 |
| pawky | look at DocSCruitinizers log where I have done exactly what you want to do... | 02:21 |
| pawky | you need to include a bit more information if you want to succeed to only replace the kernel. | 02:21 |
| pawky | look here to what I did: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/H_E_N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/succeeding-session-log.txt | 02:21 |
| pawky | you need that file as well to succeed.. you can download it through NaviFirm.. | 02:22 |
| javispedro | time to setup a sane development environment on n950 with NFS to workstation, being able to run unsigned executables and scratchbox working: 5 hours | 02:22 |
| pawky | you also need to have the right version for your phone. | 02:22 |
| * javispedro dies and ponders going to bed before starting the actual development | 02:23 | |
| javispedro | s/on n950/for n950 =) | 02:23 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: what are you upto actually? What do you want to achieve? | 02:23 |
| Lilltiger | i want the open mode, simply so i can run stuff like vnc-viewer and NFS | 02:24 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: Remember if you want to use the open mode kernel, yuo will enter the land of having to manually having to enter the passwords for all your accounts everytime you boot... BUT | 02:24 |
| javispedro | you do not need openmode for vncviewer | 02:24 |
| pawky | I think I have found a solution to that problem, and you can be my guniea pig being the second one to try it :-D | 02:25 |
| Lilltiger | javispedro, well but for NFS i need it right? | 02:25 |
| pawky | and javispedro is right about that as well.. | 02:25 |
| javispedro | you need it for nfs _client_ as well | 02:25 |
| pawky | well.. you can do quite a bit of things without having to change your kernel... | 02:26 |
| javispedro | there are some userspace servers that might work | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: I already wondered why exactly we'd need that fiasco image to flash kernel only | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: so it's Nokia, not you. Sorry for shouting :-) | 02:27 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well.. I think flasher rips out some structure stuff out of it.. haven't given it to much though.. as it did the trick ;-) | 02:27 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: doesn't --flash-only=kernel help there? | 02:27 |
| pawky | javispedro: no.. you need that other file as well.. | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: I'm a windows noob, but wasn't there a option in context menu of *.exe where you can configure whether dosbox closes or not, after termination of command | 02:28 |
| pawky | Somehow flasher need so to know the .... firmware(?)... structure... | 02:28 |
| javispedro | never needed it | 02:28 |
| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, might be.. used windows for 6mothns the last 11years.. :p | 02:29 |
| pawky | javispedro: then what was your flasher line that made it all work? I didnt succeed with all the ones I could find or think of.. | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: javispedro: for just loading kernel to RAM the short cmd also mentioned there did it for me, under linux (obviously) | 02:29 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: yes... but I am talking about flashing the unit once and for all :-D | 02:30 |
| pawky | and to my knowledge you will then need that other file as well. | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | just wondering why that would need fiasco image while ramloading doesn't | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or windows needs it while linux doesn't? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFC | 02:31 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: oh.. hmm.. maybe it need so know exactly the position where to replace it?.. | 02:31 |
| pawky | whilst in RAM you just change som pointers temporarily? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds kinda plausible | 02:31 |
| jabis | ZogG_laptop: where did you get such a ridiculous idea from? x) | 02:31 |
| pawky | its just a wild guess.. | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | the bZimage has a header telling where to load it to in RAM, not where to flash it to | 02:32 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: are you going to flash into openmode once and for all? :-) | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought flasher would know, hardcoded | 02:32 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well.. i believe the position might change depending on compilation/version... | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 02:33 |
| javispedro | pawky: exactly as I have always done, -k ... -f -b | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's always /dev/mtd1 | 02:33 |
| pawky | javispedro: are you supposing you can flash kernel only without that fiasco file? | 02:34 |
| javispedro | I've always flashed kernel only | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and mtdparts it *might* read out from device, or simply assume they are never changing, or actually read from fiasco | 02:34 |
| javispedro | large chance mtd parts are hardcoded on the kernel | 02:34 |
| pawky | javispedro: well.. I tried it with your parameters, and it didn't work... with the fiasco file it did an excellent job :-) | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: NOLO | 02:35 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: oh, indeed. | 02:35 |
| pawky | I believe somewhere when using that fiasco file flasher mentions something about extracting sub... somethings from the fiasco file.. | 02:35 |
| pawky | javispedro: so... you are running openmode right? | 02:36 |
| javispedro | no | 02:36 |
| pawky | :-( | 02:36 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: how are things going? | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey, we'll test your accounts thing sooner or later :-D | 02:38 |
| javispedro | what accounts thing? | 02:38 |
| javispedro | ah, unmounting aegisfs and creating the private folder manually? | 02:38 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: I am putting my hoppes to Lilltiger | 02:38 |
| pawky | javispedro: yes! :-D | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: pawky kicked all aegisfs out from init | 02:38 |
| javispedro | qole says it "broke all of his accounts" | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure it does | 02:39 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well... not all yet... I just started with the signon-private.conf Havent dared to kick them all yet :-) | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | openmode does, actually | 02:39 |
| pawky | javispedro: what broke all of his accounts? | 02:39 |
| pawky | Did he try my hack? | 02:40 |
| javispedro | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=37490&postcount=232 | 02:40 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, im downloading from NaviFirm right now | 02:40 |
| pawky | javispedro: thats not what I did | 02:40 |
| javispedro | it's virtually the same | 02:41 |
| pawky | javispedro: I removed the mounting of aegisfs .signon directory.. now thats different | 02:41 |
| pawky | javispedro: no... | 02:41 |
| javispedro | hm? | 02:41 |
| javispedro | the mount is on the private dir, as usual | 02:41 |
| pawky | Because when doing it as I have mentioned you will be able to watch whatever might exist in that private catalog.. | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: quite obviously that will break all accounts as all credentials/certs/whaever "vanished". Of course you need to restore or recreate all the stuff | 02:42 |
| pawky | yes.. but he seems to have erased the directory in /home/user | 02:42 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, but maybe i should not use the --kernel-only param, itäs not used in the log (the first example) | 02:42 |
| javispedro | moving it and creating another empty directory on its place is effectively the same as unmounting it for applications that just find it via the mount point path | 02:42 |
| javispedro | pawky: you will not be able to watch whatever was there, because after unmounting, the directory will be... empty =) | 02:43 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: well.. javispedro and I disagree wether or now it will work without the fiasco file.. i say it doesn't he tells me it does.. just try without first and get back to us with the end results ;-) | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: PLEASE don't mix up command lines, one is for ramload, one for flashing | 02:43 |
| pawky | javispedro: no... you have to recreate your accounts again.. | 02:43 |
| javispedro | so, that's what qole did =) | 02:43 |
| pawky | ohh.. yeah.. you probably have to manually create the directories.. | 02:43 |
| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, ahh ok :) | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: anyway when you leave out --kernel-only and give it a fiascofile, you'll reflash the whole device | 02:44 |
| pawky | after that.. you recreate your accounts and they will happily be there readable by you as a user (and root as well if not being wrong) as a sqlite database file (guessing), where you can happily see your passwords in cleartext :-D | 02:44 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: HUH.. yeah.. DONT leave out kernel only! | 02:45 |
| Lilltiger | what does the "-b" mean to the flasher, i see that pawky did not use it | 02:45 |
| pawky | flasher -h ? | 02:45 |
| pawky | or was it flasher --help | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | for Lilltiger nothing will work, as probably his windows occupies USB with cdc_phonet or whatever the name on wincrap | 02:45 |
| Lilltiger | it closes right away :( | 02:46 |
| pawky | does he have the right rights for USB? | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, probably as you have nokia-suite or whatever installed or even running | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | also you need admin rights for USB | 02:46 |
| pawky | ahh.. yeah.. no nokia suite.. | 02:46 |
| Lilltiger | guess i have to find out how to not make the cmd windows to close right away first | 02:46 |
| pawky | you need to be a poweruser or higher i presume.... | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | admin | 02:47 |
| pawky | javispedro: then again, I am not sure what qole means? Yes you have to recreate your accounts again as you need to create a new file... | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, exactly | 02:49 |
| pawky | then again if thats all the 'cost' for getting an open kernel I think thats acceptable.. | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I'm saying ^^^ | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might have a harder time with SSL certs | 02:50 |
| pawky | ok... maybe I missed a line or two... | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and certs in general | 02:50 |
| pawky | why? | 02:50 |
| pawky | I have not noticed such thing.. | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | where from do you import all the https certs, from thawte et al? from Nokia?? | 02:50 |
| pawky | they come with the browser I presume.. | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 02:51 |
| pawky | prove me wrong then :-) | 02:51 |
| pawky | what page should I visit? | 02:51 |
| pawky | lets try verisign :-) | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | any https | 02:51 |
| javispedro | and certs failure is weirder | 02:52 |
| javispedro | because cert store is not encrypted | 02:52 |
| pawky | duh.... your right... | 02:52 |
| pawky | or.. maybe my link was wrong.. | 02:52 |
| pawky | DAMN! | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway when you nuke aegisfs by simply not mounting it, for sure your certs for any https page are missing | 02:53 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: your right... how come no one written anything about this BEFORE i changed to openmode :-( | 02:54 |
| javispedro | .............. | 02:54 |
| pawky | And I assume no one has a simple trick to fix this?... | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: it's still experimental, you're an early adopter, a betatester :-) | 02:54 |
| javispedro | I even wrote a bug report about it =) | 02:54 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: yipicayeeeeee........ or not... :-( | 02:54 |
| javispedro | either way, it's probably time to open a new thread | 02:55 |
| javispedro | my aegis rant is getting old (even if it's mostly true...) | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd think yopu can get SSL certs and install it to a fresh aegisfs-free database | 02:55 |
| pawky | #we_who_hate_aegis ? :-) | 02:55 |
| javispedro | *if it's still mostly true | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | we_now_fsck_aegis | 02:55 |
| Lilltiger | this is not my day.. cant get flasher.exe to not close it window, tried all the /k and (-k) ways :( | 02:56 |
| pawky | but the certs should be in some simple directory right?... and you who are still having the original kernel must be able to rip them out.. and then its just about placing them into a directory outside aegis... or? | 02:57 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: maybe ask someone at #windows? | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd think the way to go is to copy everything you can get out of >> cat $(ls $(mount|grep aegisfs)) << to Mydocs in normal-mode, then restore it to de-aegified plain "private" dirs in openn-mode | 02:58 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, unsure if I can live with myself if I enter that channel :P | 02:58 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: ls -l /etc/ssl/certs/ on a openmode device to see how that will not improve the situation much | 02:59 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: they helped me with NFS client for windows.. | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe even better, run a backup/restore - we got such a thing in harmattan already? | 02:59 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: back in beta2 openmode tests, that directory was not empty, it had all of the certificates; yet the UI refused to show them. that is on my original bug report. | 02:59 |
| javispedro | conclusion: the UI had hooks into aegisfs | 03:00 |
| javispedro | dunno why or what for. | 03:00 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, ahh, win7 has that built in, finaly :) | 03:00 |
| pawky | javispedro: or is it, it cannot read the files in openmode? | 03:00 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: probably thanks to SuSE... | 03:01 |
| javispedro | Lilltiger: only from Enterprise edition upwards I think | 03:01 |
| javispedro | yet another awkardly stupid decision from our little MS friends. | 03:02 |
| Lilltiger | javispedro, like anyone actually buys windows.. :p | 03:02 |
| * javispedro looks to his MSDNAA | 03:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: that'S what I thought | 03:03 |
| pawky | javispedro: our?.. your if i may... | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | (must be able to rip them out.. and then its just about placing them into a directory) | 03:04 |
| javispedro | well, easy check, just ls -l /etc/ssl/certs | 03:04 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, i typed in like your line, (but with my image from navi) it did alot of stuff but took like 10sec, and now my phone is black (the white dot is blinking) is it safe to remove the usb connection now? | 03:04 |
| javispedro | on openmode | 03:04 |
| Lilltiger | as the window closed again without me seeing what it actually said.. | 03:04 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: looking into it.. but I only have openmode now so you guys are my window into the original kernel.. | 03:04 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: changing kernel goes fast.. | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I dunno what you're telling me | 03:04 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that the aegisfs store _is readable_ from open mode | 03:05 |
| javispedro | the files are there | 03:05 |
| javispedro | at least for ssl certs | 03:05 |
| javispedro | they are on /etc/ssl/certs both in open and closed mode | 03:05 |
| javispedro | so copying them from closed will have no effect. | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: no, you need to switch it on now! please read my session-log! | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: maybe browser tries to open them r/w? | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | or some similar nonsense | 03:06 |
| javispedro | or hooks into aegisfs for some unexplained reason which was my initial diagnostic =) | 03:07 |
| pawky | well.. they are readable under /etc/ssl/certs | 03:07 |
| pawky | if they can be read, they should work... | 03:07 |
| pawky | at least user can read them.. | 03:08 |
| pawky | sorry.. devel-su | 03:08 |
| pawky | and also user... | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw all my "aegisfs crypto" are symlinks in there, and all real files are "root root" | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | FWIW | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | normal-mode | 03:09 |
| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, ok, hmm what happens if i did unplugg the usb? cos i did, dumb as I am, the device booted i got a scary warning, then it started up | 03:09 |
| pawky | same on openmode | 03:09 |
| javispedro | http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=31 | 03:09 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: then you probably have succeeded :-) | 03:09 |
| Lilltiger | accli -I says open now | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you obviously FLASHED the kernel, not just ramloaded it | 03:09 |
| pawky | welcome! | 03:09 |
| pawky | now you need to try my little hack :-) | 03:09 |
| Lilltiger | well going to see what works and what not works first | 03:10 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: try read e-mail.. | 03:10 |
| pawky | you will have to enter your passwords... and this will be the case for every boot, until you try my solution :-) | 03:11 |
| Lilltiger | emm I dont have any emails on it i think | 03:11 |
| pawky | well.. then get some.. | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | less /etc/ssl/certs/f4996e82.0 | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | works here | 03:11 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: it also includes the Nokia account | 03:11 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: and same to me... | 03:11 |
| Lilltiger | ahh yes gmail asks for password | 03:12 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: javispedro: so it's a bit odd why it doesn't work... | 03:12 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: there you go... :-D | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | strace browser | 03:12 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: are you a willing guniea pig to try my fix? | 03:12 |
| javispedro | the weird thing is that we are exactly on the same situation we were a month and half ago | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: you have a fix? ;-P | 03:12 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, well what can go wrong? :D | 03:12 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: we will soon find out :-D | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems you have a partial fix, at best | 03:13 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: ok.. this is what I did... about... you will have to enter devel-su | 03:13 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: ahh.. come on, it works for me :-) | 03:13 |
| Lilltiger | restarting my phone to see if i have to enter the password again | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | not for SSL certs | 03:13 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: good start | 03:13 |
| pawky | so.. where are we on these certs? | 03:14 |
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| pawky | as what user is the browser running as? | 03:14 |
| Lilltiger | omg will i always get that warning when i start the phone! so annoying :p | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | we are at the point where we know that we dunno | 03:14 |
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| pawky | DocScrutinizer: a quite common starting point.. | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I suggested strace browser | 03:15 |
| javispedro | Lilltiger: see flasher's --suppress-warranty-warning option | 03:15 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: yes... | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hail javispedro | 03:15 |
| * infobot bows down to javispedro and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 03:15 | |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: isn't that coooool? :-D | 03:16 |
| javispedro | Note I've not tried that... | 03:16 |
| Lilltiger | javispedro, i cant see any of the options :p silly winflasher thingy closes so i cant see any options at all | 03:16 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, indeed have to enter the password again after restart | 03:16 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: aha!... so now your in my hands.. he he he... | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: I'm temped to kick you on next "windows" mentioning | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | get decent tools first, windows not supported | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 03:17 |
| Lilltiger | I have nice windows in my house! | 03:17 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: ok... so here is my theory... aegisfs mounts that signon stuff but as you are running openmode you don't seem to be able to edit the file that houses the passwords.. | 03:18 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, so should I start by entering the password for my mail, or do the hack before? | 03:18 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: that doesn't matter.. | 03:18 |
| pawky | pawky: you will have to re-enter your accounts again anyway.. | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | talking to yourself? | 03:19 |
| pawky | the trick goes like this... you want aegisfs to stop mounting /home/user/.signon | 03:19 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, in devel-su now | 03:19 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: listen first.. | 03:19 |
| Lilltiger | k | 03:19 |
| * Lilltiger holds his hands over his ears and sings * lalalala | 03:19 | |
| pawky | Lilltiger: you want aegisfs to stop mounting that directory.. this i did my moving the file under /etc/aegisfs.d/signon-private.conf to /root (or wherever you want) | 03:20 |
| pawky | (use the mv command) | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you oughta 've copied all the stuff out of all the aegisfs first, best before flashing openmode kernel | 03:20 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: ahh..! | 03:20 |
| javispedro | please note that right now is probably the last chance you have of reverting to normal mode without a malf | 03:21 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: yes.. sorry about that.. getting a bit rusty.. | 03:21 |
| javispedro | hope you had backups =) | 03:21 |
| pawky | javispedro: yes.. a VERY GOOD POINT... | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | on the bright side, you still can ramload stock kernel, and it might not even MALF unless you already edited some relevant files | 03:21 |
| Lilltiger | javispedro, backups of what? | 03:21 |
| javispedro | Lilltiger: of whatever you had on the device | 03:21 |
| pawky | then again.. i believe you are already fully aware you are entering a nomansland... | 03:21 |
| Lilltiger | javispedro, so all my Red Dwarf episodes! :p | 03:21 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: thus.. meditate and ask yourself if zen can be reached by using openome.. | 03:22 |
| Lilltiger | I dont even have a sim.card for the phone :D | 03:22 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: so.. as DocScrutinizer said.. you need ot move files first.. so this is what I did... | 03:22 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: I first went to /home/user and did a mv ./.signon ./.signon- | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | you oughta 've copied all the stuff out of all the aegisfs first, best before flashing openmode kernel!! | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | on the bright side, you still can ramload stock kernel, and it might not even MALF unless you already edited some relevant files | 03:23 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: wait! | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | edit == mv, for this one | 03:23 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: ohh.. yeah.. well.. if you don't touch anything.... you can just flash things back.. | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | you din't even need to flash, you can ramload to securemode kernel | 03:24 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: again, I let it all up to you understanding what openmode is.. and if you decide like i did that is the right path to go.. continue with my hack.. | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't come begging for upload of all aegisfs content later! | 03:25 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: ok... so you move the mountet .signon under /user/home to something else... like .signon- | 03:25 |
| pawky | then you create the directories that one has... like .signon and .signon/private... | 03:25 |
| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, isent it best to just make an copy of all that stuff first of all? | 03:25 |
| javispedro | I am quite convinced copying aegisfs content from closed mode is worthless, mostly because | 03:26 |
| pawky | and copy all the files from .signon- to the new .signon | 03:26 |
| javispedro | a) it is protected, meaning you cannot read it from closed mode without proper tokens | 03:26 |
| javispedro | b) as seen with certs there's something else going on | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can as well rm -rf it, as it won't be of any use after mv for all I understand about aegis | 03:26 |
| javispedro | c) i'd assume most apps will recreate their dbs if they find them nonexisting. | 03:26 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: then you will have to make sure aegisfs doesn't mount the .signon directory by moving the file under /etc/aegisfs.d/signon-private.conf to by example /root | 03:27 |
| Lilltiger | ok, and if I do move it, and I dont like it, cant i just reflash the device totaly and restory it to closed mode? | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: a) who got the tokens if not user? b) for normal accounts pawky says it works for him and c) what I said, you can as well rm -rf | 03:27 |
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| pawky | Lilltiger: after a reboot, you will again have to enter your passwords, which now will be written into a (new?) file undet /home/user/.signon/private | 03:28 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's not about user, it's about apps. Each store can only be read by the app that owns the corresponding token, period. | 03:28 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: after this that problem will be solved... | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | mmmpfff | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | brainfsck aegis | 03:29 |
| pawky | so.. where where we on certs.. | 03:29 |
| javispedro | also, account info is unprotected | 03:29 |
| pawky | javispedro: yes, i believe so to.. but just to be sure one can copy stuff from a moved mounted aegisfs dir if one wants to.. | 03:30 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, but the qustion remains, if I do it, is there a way to revert it all and bring back the closed mode? | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: err, obviously it isn't - otherwise pawky's "hack" had no effect | 03:30 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: If i am not wrong, by doing anything that affects aegisfs you will not.. thus by even entering your password for that gmail account is bad enough.. | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: you can reflash anytime :-) | 03:31 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: again.. thats why I told you to listen first... | 03:31 |
| Lilltiger | getting mixed info here.. :p | 03:31 |
| pawky | And if reflashing, i presume all you need to do is just enter the accounts again...right? or are more things going bonkers? | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: there IS NO WAY back to securemode from an openmode that got "used" | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | except full flash | 03:32 |
| pawky | right. | 03:32 |
| Lilltiger | right but a full flash restores it all, but i lose evrything on the phone right? | 03:32 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: I believe not what you have copied to it.. but accounts and such yes.. | 03:33 |
| Lilltiger | either is fine by me, just dosent want to permanently ruin the phone if something went wrong | 03:33 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: this you cannot do... you can always flash it.. :-) | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | AIUI you'll lose everything, incl all media you had on MyDocs | 03:34 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: I am not so sure.. as i recalled from my old phone it still contained my movies and such.. then again... you can always backup that stuff now when being in openmode as well... thus no need to worry.. | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: not really, there are ways to permanently brick | 03:35 |
| Lilltiger | hmm, but if I move it aegisfs wont be happy, what if one just mount --bind over the folder, that way the folder wont be changed at all, but the current fs wont see it | 03:35 |
| pawky | no.. you need to remove aegis from mounting it on next move.. | 03:35 |
| pawky | just do what I wrote.. | 03:35 |
| Lilltiger | k | 03:35 |
| pawky | move the mounted aegis /home/user/.signon to /home/user/.signon- | 03:36 |
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| javispedro | I do not think bind mounting something different on top of it is a bad idea | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think you can't mount on a used mountpoint | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: why? | 03:36 |
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| pawky | DocScrutinizer: the move? | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | when you umount aegisfs anyway | 03:37 |
| pawky | just to be able to create the new .signon and sub directories.. and copy files from the mount into it.. | 03:37 |
| pawky | well.. you do this first... then you kick the aegisfs mount and reboot :-) | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S nonsense | 03:37 |
| pawky | again.. javispedro MIGHT be right its unnecessary, but I wanted to recreate the directory structure just in case.. | 03:37 |
| Lilltiger | yhee why move it at all then, if you kick the mount it wont mount it there | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | why rename a file on a USB stick before removing it? | 03:38 |
| ieatlint | ok, next year i need to make more money... i think half my friends are in berlin for 28c3 now | 03:38 |
| pawky | just to copy the files into your own made .signon and .signon/private... | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: yep, same here | 03:38 |
| pawky | you might try without doing this... | 03:38 |
| javispedro | btw, going to FOSDEM? | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: why rename a file on a USB stick before removing it? | 03:39 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: its up to you if you skip this step... it was just what I did to copy the files.. | 03:39 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: you just rename it to be able to copy from the aegisfs mounted dir into your newly created dir.. | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: /home/user/.signon is a mount | 03:39 |
| javispedro | .signon/private | 03:40 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: which you can move to /home/user/.hello world.. | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | what for? | 03:40 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: hopefully yours are nice enough to send you messages telling you what you're missing each night | 03:40 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: to copy the files(!)... | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you do not copy any files with mv | 03:40 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: before saying good by to your mount.. | 03:40 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: true.. you first mv /home/user/.signon /home/user/.signon-not | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and as mentioned before you can'T access the content when in openmode anyway | 03:41 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: then you can do a cp -r or what ever from /home/user/.signon-not to your newly created /home/user/.signon | 03:41 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well some files you can... | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | you would need to COPY it while still in securemode | 03:41 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: Well.. i didn't ... | 03:42 |
| pawky | there are files in .signon as well.. | 03:42 |
| pawky | not only .signon/privaet | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why you have to re-enter account data | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no "copying" will change that | 03:42 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: again it MIGHT be unnecessary.. but thats what I did... better safe than sorry? | 03:42 |
| pawky | but... Lilltiger, as you are the new guniea pig.. why not go bold and skip that step? | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, cargo cult evalutation is worthless as it keeps us from learning | 03:43 |
| pawky | fair enough.. i only told you what I did when experimenting.. :-) | 03:43 |
| pawky | and why... | 03:43 |
| Lilltiger | but if you move them, you change the fs info, should be better to copy if anything, althought copy might not help at all, still by just not mouting it wont remove the files | 03:43 |
| pawky | mostly i did this just to be able to create the same directory structure.. | 03:43 |
| pawky | as i though maybe it only creates the files, not the directories.. | 03:44 |
| Lilltiger | well by just unmounting it you wont change anything | 03:44 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: no.. listen.. you move .signon to .signon-not as its a mounted partition | 03:44 |
| Lilltiger | the files will still be at the old folder | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe not for aegisfs? | 03:45 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: again.. this part MIGHT not be necessary.. i just mentioned what I did.. | 03:45 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: this was simply to be able to create the directories.. but as I had the mounted dir.. i just copied everything from .signon-not to my newly created .signon as i thought it could do no harm.. | 03:45 |
| pawky | again... if you don't want to do it fine.. | 03:45 |
| RzR | i feel a backup to ssh app would help to switch to openmode :-) | 03:46 |
| pawky | what you will HAVE to do is to move the file under /etc/aegisfs.d/signon-private.conf to another place example /root | 03:46 |
| Lilltiger | i copied them, dident move, to avoid changing the orginal structure | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | aegis checks file content hash PLUS inode, for normal protected file. I'd be surprised if aegisfs would allow such stuff like meddling with mountpoint name, but well... | 03:46 |
| * javispedro feels completely lost here, but has given up minutes ago | 03:47 | |
| pawky | Lilltiger: well.. I am fairly sure the directory structur wont be there when not mounting that partition as they are on the mounted partition | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 03:47 |
| pawky | javispedro: regarding the hack? | 03:47 |
| javispedro | regarding what are you doing here | 03:48 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, yes but if aegis keeps some hash if the filesystem, if i move them then want to revert i will change the hashes, but if i just copy them the orginal structure will be unchanged when i revert | 03:48 |
| pawky | javispedro: its actually simple.. just take the /etc/aegisfs.d/signon-private.conf file out of that directory so it wont mount... and create the directories to where your new files will go to.. | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're way too busy discussing elementary things, guys. Where Lilltiger - like javispedro, and me - thinks the mv is worthless and now you discussed since 10 min why it may or may not be worthless | 03:48 |
| Lilltiger | =D | 03:49 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: the move is just so you can create the .signon and .signon/private under user.. | 03:49 |
| pawky | how else will you be able to create them when you have something mounted there? | 03:49 |
| javispedro | umount? | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: I can do this with mkdir, no? | 03:49 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: not while aegis has the .signon mounted.. | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | WAAAAAH! | 03:50 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: you only do the move so you can free up the possibility for you to crate your own .signon whilst aegis is still mounted.. | 03:50 |
| javispedro | why don't ya kill signond and unmount it | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | why would I need aegisfs still mounted?? | 03:50 |
| pawky | javispedro: well.. im not sure what that will result in, but you dont have to.. | 03:51 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well.. maybe if you just want to see the directory structure and copy what files there might be in there.. | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can not copy that stuff, in openmode! | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | period | 03:51 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: or you just do a mv simply so you can create your own .signon i belive a mv .signon .whatever is quite fast to do.. | 03:51 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well i could.. | 03:51 |
| javispedro | and not in closed mode either, because aegis protects it. | 03:51 |
| pawky | well.. what I notice was that there were some files unde .signon and i just copied them.. | 03:52 |
| javispedro | .signonfs/private | 03:52 |
| pawky | but then again.. i believe the most important part was to create the directory structure.. | 03:52 |
| javispedro | .signonfs/private is the aegisfs dir! | 03:52 |
| pawky | javispedro: well.. i believe you can get into that one in user mode, but not open it.. | 03:52 |
| pawky | javispedro: so you skip the file... | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | FACTOID: aegisfs on /home/user/.signon/private type fuse.aegisfs | 03:53 |
| pawky | but you probably still have to create the directory structure.. right? | 03:53 |
| javispedro | where | 03:53 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: yes.. so you cannot copy that one, and you dont have to.. | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so WTF would you mess with .signon at all? | 03:53 |
| javispedro | the subdirs of .signonfs are not touched at all because they are not part of any aegisfs mount, they're on the rootfs. | 03:53 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: thats where the account data will be stored.. | 03:54 |
| javispedro | it's the private dir the one that is under aegisfs and therefore the one where the actualy passwords are stored. | 03:54 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: and in openmode you can not do anything with the already existing file under private.. | 03:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer goes watching TV | 03:54 | |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: too late, only pr0n on TV at these hours | 03:54 |
| pawky | javispedro: yes.. and you dont have sufficient rights to that file as far as I know.. | 03:55 |
| pawky | javispedro: maybe thats what he wanted to watch ;-) | 03:55 |
| javispedro | pawky: well, that is the problem as we know it. | 03:55 |
| pawky | javispedro: which can be solved with my hack! | 03:55 |
| pawky | think of things like this... how can I make sure the account manager will be able to create a file it can read? | 03:55 |
| pawky | well.. by making sure there is a directory structure there you have the rights to... right? | 03:56 |
| javispedro | this is _one step_: umount ~/.signon/private | 03:56 |
| pawky | how are you going to achieve it, when aegisfs has someting mounted and that file is probably also open? | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | umount /home/user/.signon/private, enter password stuff again... test&profit | 03:56 |
| pawky | javispedro: yes.. that fine by me... but I still believe you will have to create the dir structure.. | 03:56 |
| javispedro | what dir structure! | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | dnag, javispedro was faster | 03:57 |
| pawky | as user... | 03:57 |
| pawky | ok? | 03:57 |
| pawky | so.. you can proabaly very well also just unmount the aegisfs mount (though I believe you will not be able to do so as its locked by an open file) | 03:58 |
| Lilltiger | im trying something different, too see what happens | 03:58 |
| javispedro | so, you kill the process that holds it | 03:58 |
| Lilltiger | i just mounted a dummy folder over my .signon folder | 03:58 |
| pawky | The important part is just to (re)move the /etc/aegisfs.d/signon-private.conf file | 03:58 |
| javispedro | exactly. | 03:59 |
| Lilltiger | and that hides the real .signon folder | 03:59 |
| javispedro | just remove it, reboot, and see what happens. | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 03:59 |
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| javispedro | there's no need to do anything else. in fact, you CANNOT do anything else... | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | everything else is cruft | 03:59 |
| pawky | guys? ... aren't you all a bit TO focused about that creating dir thing whilst the actuall trick is to move or remove the file under /etc/aegisfs.d/signon-private.conf ??? | 03:59 |
| Lilltiger | javispedro, well, wont my approtch have a chnce to work, to just mount --bind over it | 03:59 |
| pawky | read my last comment.. | 04:00 |
| pawky | the thing is not what you do when its running at the moment, but you want to make sure it will not get mounted at boot.. | 04:00 |
| pawky | thats actually the fix to it... | 04:00 |
| javispedro | Lilltiger: DocScrutinizer was right in that you cannot bind mount over an already existing mountpoint (I should return my UNIX card soon :D ) | 04:00 |
| pawky | this directory copying/moving stuff whas just what I did to be able to look what I had, and to copy what I could... | 04:01 |
| Lilltiger | javispedro, well I just did | 04:01 |
| javispedro | Lilltiger: so it's not as easy as that, you'd have to play with mount --move and friends which I'm not sure are supported by busybox | 04:01 |
| pawky | javispedro: well... thats what I have been saying... | 04:01 |
| Lilltiger | and ls says it's my dummy folder | 04:01 |
| pawky | javispedro: the move solves it.. | 04:01 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: just kill that bloody mount somehow will you?... | 04:01 |
| javispedro | and what we have been saying is that there's NO NEED to do any of this | 04:01 |
| javispedro | because you are doing a series of noops | 04:02 |
| Lilltiger | javispedro, that i do know :) | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: you're getting offtopic | 04:02 |
| pawky | javispedro: and I have always agreed upon you maybe being right about it... | 04:02 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: I just want Lilltiger to do whats necessary.. | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, you don't | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you want him to do what's actually NOT necessary | 04:03 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: so... after you have killed, moved or what have you with the mounted .signon directory.. i would recommend you to create .signon and .signon/private again.. | 04:03 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: no.. i just told him what I did, and why... | 04:03 |
| * javispedro feels the sudden urge to read a "A Series of Unfortunate Events" book | 04:03 | |
| pawky | and I do agree upon it MIGHT not be needed at al... but when you and i did test this last time, we came into an agreement copying whatever was in there might be a good idea.. | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-12-28 02:58:48] <pawky> The important part is just to (re)move the /etc/aegisfs.d/signon-private.conf file [2011-12-28 02:59:03] <javispedro> exactly. [2011-12-28 02:59:13] <javispedro> just remove it, reboot, and see what happens [2011-12-28 02:59:26] <javispedro> there's no need to do anything else. in fact, you CANNOT do anything else... | 04:05 |
| pawky | well... there are some files you CAN copy even though it MIGHT NOT be necessary.. and that are some db files under .signon | 04:05 |
| * javispedro dies | 04:06 | |
| javispedro | those files are NOT under the protected storage | 04:06 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: but other wise you are correct... and i BELIEVE one has to make sure /home/user/.signon and .signon/private pre exists... | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | when I don't mv away .signon, I don't have to cp anything later on | 04:06 |
| javispedro | they did NOT change when you booted into open mode | 04:06 |
| javispedro | it's only _private_ which is a aegisfs mount | 04:06 |
| pawky | javispedro: well.. they are still on the mount point right? a bit hard for me to see as i don't have it running.. | 04:06 |
| pawky | if its only the private then you are VERY RIGHT | 04:07 |
| pawky | better? :-D | 04:07 |
| pawky | lets come to some agreement shall we? | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-12-28 02:53:04] <DocScrutinizer> FACTOID: aegisfs on /home/user/.signon/private type fuse.aegisfs | 04:07 |
| pawky | fair enough.. :-) | 04:07 |
| pawky | then all you will have to do might be to create the dir private... maybe... | 04:08 |
| pawky | then again... why not live on the edge and not creating it? :-D | 04:08 |
| javispedro | private is already there. | 04:08 |
| pawky | owner? | 04:09 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: Why not be the first to shorten the list of what you need to do by only move the file under etc to root and do a reboot? :-) | 04:10 |
| pawky | then we will know for sure whats needed.... i believe jav | 04:10 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, already on my way doing that | 04:10 |
| pawky | great! :-) | 04:10 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: then go check if you can enter the /home/user/.signon/private if so you should be able to do a cat on the file there and see your stuff... e-mail address, password... etc. I believe its a sqlite file, if you want to see it in its pure form.. | 04:11 |
| javispedro | you will not be able to, it's the entire point of aegis | 04:11 |
| pawky | javispedro: you WILL, thats my hack.. | 04:12 |
| pawky | javispedro: or.... ? wait... | 04:12 |
| Lilltiger | Success!! no password needed after reboot | 04:14 |
| auenf | zz_gri: http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/12/argh-ovi-store-and-cobs-and-stray-debs.html | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: after nuking aegisfs! that's what he said | 04:14 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: there you go then... | 04:14 |
| auenf | same /opt/ issue as you? | 04:14 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: no password when entering e-mail? | 04:15 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, indeed and the filestructure is there on .signon did not need to do anything | 04:15 |
| Lilltiger | it recreated it all | 04:16 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: as i suspected... and can you cat the file under .signon/private ? | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | email creates it when trying to store your pw | 04:16 |
| pawky | ok.. so somehow my hack seems to work.. we just don't know why then.... | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | we all know why | 04:17 |
| Lilltiger | yes i can cat the signon.db under the private folder | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | just you are so tired now you forgot ;-D | 04:17 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: but I believe after a new reboot you will not be able to again... try it.. :-) | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you found how to stop aegisfs mount on boot, and that's all that's needed | 04:18 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: yes.. well.. i found a way how to be able to read write the file under private.. by making aegisfs not mount it.. | 04:18 |
| pawky | well.. I am happy Lilltiger finally killed our quarell regarding that move I did... ;-) | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds about right | 04:19 |
| pawky | and I am happy the guniea pig survived the ordeal :-D | 04:19 |
| Lilltiger | hmm, but isent there advantages to letting aegis mount it on boot, as it should be possible to tell aegis just to not encrypt it | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, no | 04:19 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: HELL NO ;-) | 04:20 |
| Lilltiger | or is the encryption all itäs good for? | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:20 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: and making your life a bit more misserable... | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically | 04:20 |
| pawky | so... whe have 2 persons now confirming it will fix the problem :-D | 04:20 |
| Lilltiger | well i was thinking for apps that relied on aegis, if e just ran aegis as it is, but without encryption.. :P | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course it stops evil evil malware from reading out your email passwords | 04:21 |
| pawky | to be honest... I also removed the include file under /etc/aegisfs.conf :-) | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | directly | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has to use strace email to get them | 04:21 |
| javispedro | hm, wait, it did not ask for the password on next boot? | 04:21 |
| javispedro | it should have asked it at least once with the aegisfs mount gone. | 04:22 |
| pawky | sorry.. i meant the include statement.. in that file.. | 04:22 |
| Lilltiger | javispedro, first boot it did | 04:22 |
| pawky | javispedro: thats what my hack is all about.. | 04:22 |
| pawky | javispedro: true... | 04:22 |
| javispedro | pawky: can you stop about "your hack", it does not exist | 04:22 |
| Lilltiger | javispedro, but after entring it once it store it for next | 04:22 |
| pawky | javispedro: sure... my fix? | 04:22 |
| pawky | my... idea? | 04:22 |
| javispedro | Lilltiger: you mean, after unmounting aegisfs? | 04:22 |
| Lilltiger | javispedro, yes, umount, restart, enter password, restart then it keeps it | 04:23 |
| pawky | :-D | 04:23 |
| javispedro | ah, perfect. | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what we expected | 04:23 |
| Lilltiger | indeed | 04:23 |
| pawky | I see it as a hack... hacking=typing :-D | 04:23 |
| pawky | I typed, therefore it is... ;-) | 04:23 |
| Lilltiger | your discovery | 04:24 |
| javispedro | it might have been the case that signon was to call aegis_crypto stuff and thus it did not work | 04:24 |
| javispedro | *it would not have worked | 04:24 |
| pawky | but it does :-) | 04:24 |
| javispedro | which is what happens with certs | 04:24 |
| pawky | well this is the next thing to challenge... are you in for it? :-) | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I still don't buy that so easily | 04:25 |
| pawky | javispedro: ohh.. i think i have a solution to that as well.. :-) | 04:25 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: well, unmount and try | 04:25 |
| Lilltiger | after reboot the .signon/private/signon.db is readable | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it might be caused by certs aegisfs miunted r/o | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | also the symlinks owned by aegis crypto | 04:26 |
| pawky | javispedro: and I will tell it to you ONLY if i may call it my hack! :-D | 04:26 |
| pawky | it actually works... :-) | 04:26 |
| pawky | im such a hacker... la la la la la... | 04:26 |
| pawky | ok, silence speaks for itself... you are all in agreement :-D | 04:27 |
| pawky | just read what more I did above | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: please stop it now, get some sleep and get sober, come back tomorrow | 04:27 |
| javispedro | no, I am looking at the ChanServ documentation to see how can I get +O and how /kick works | 04:27 |
| pawky | i am sober ;-) | 04:27 |
| pawky | javispedro: do this, just remove the include statement in the /etc/aegisfs.conf and it works.. | 04:27 |
| javispedro | (j/k ;P) | 04:27 |
| pawky | just tried https://www.verisign.com | 04:27 |
| pawky | it will ask you if you want to stor the certificate... | 04:28 |
| pawky | a bit weird though.. but that s what it did.. :-) | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's expected once again | 04:28 |
| pawky | so i can now see https://www.verisign.com | 04:28 |
| pawky | well.. then case closed :-) | 04:28 |
| javispedro | no, he's making it up | 04:28 |
| pawky | javispedro: i am not.. do you want me to send you a screen shot? | 04:29 |
| pawky | it works.. | 04:29 |
| javispedro | the prompt on self-signed certs says something akin to "Continue eitherway" | 04:29 |
| javispedro | i've seen it bazillions of times | 04:29 |
| pawky | well.. the thing is.. it didn't work when having that include statement ... it does work without. | 04:29 |
| pawky | thus, obviously again its aegisfs.d that loads something we don't want to have loaded. | 04:30 |
| pawky | seriously, it does work... | 04:30 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: if it does work, then you are right and it's just a ro thing | 04:30 |
| pawky | don't you guys believe me anymore? | 04:31 |
| pawky | hey.. lets ask Lilltiger.. he should have the same problem now, before removing that include statement.. | 04:31 |
| Lilltiger | ok | 04:31 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: can you settle this once and for all? | 04:31 |
| Lilltiger | what is the issue? | 04:31 |
| Lilltiger | sure | 04:31 |
| javispedro | I don't know how to sigh louder | 04:31 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: try to go to https://www.verisign.com (HTTPS) | 04:31 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: will it work from the N9 browser? | 04:32 |
| Lilltiger | certificate not trusted | 04:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if Valium or Haldol was the right drug to cure this hysteric state | 04:33 | |
| pawky | Lilltiger: thats odd.. as i got couldn't connect.. | 04:33 |
| Lilltiger | it shows the cert looks corrct | 04:34 |
| pawky | ok... so whats the conclusion here... only my phone had a bad day not being able to connect to verisign at all the first time? | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | option to permanently trust? | 04:34 |
| Lilltiger | no such option | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 04:34 |
| javispedro | there's only continue eitherway as I said | 04:34 |
| javispedro | *"continue either way" | 04:35 |
| Lilltiger | indeed | 04:35 |
| javispedro | (sorry I have es_ES locale and I'm not sure of the phrasing) | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to import the cert somehow | 04:35 |
| javispedro | certs app | 04:35 |
| Lilltiger | when restarting the browser it asks again | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah :-D | 04:35 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: aaarrgh... :-( | 04:36 |
| javispedro | either way, if it is a ro thing, this is the right time to copy everything from the aegisfs /etc/ssl/certs | 04:36 |
| pawky | Im just such a non hacker :-( | 04:36 |
| javispedro | which you can do because it is non-encrypted. | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I still wonder if for certs a mere copy should work | 04:36 |
| javispedro | the path suggest it works like standard openssl | 04:37 |
| javispedro | so it should work (TM) | 04:37 |
| Lilltiger | is verisign supposed to be trusted? | 04:37 |
| javispedro | you should even be able to grab the stuff from debian | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, javispedro was again faster | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 04:38 |
| pawky | or any place.. | 04:38 |
| javispedro | well, not their HTTP cert for sure =) | 04:38 |
| javispedro | you should go and find the root cert | 04:38 |
| pawky | javispedro: yes.. .thats the guys who more or less invented certs.. | 04:38 |
| javispedro | s/HTTP/www ;P | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | just copy content of certs to $rnadom place, umount, copy back | 04:38 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: have you tried it? | 04:39 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well devel-su does not have the right to do so.. | 04:40 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: umount that is.. | 04:40 |
| javispedro | get opensh | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | umount as in "do pawky 's HACK" and kick the mount cmd out for next boot | 04:40 |
| pawky | javispedro: DocScruitinizer warned me about opensh.. | 04:40 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: aha.. trying :-) | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll want to cp -aR though | 04:41 |
| javispedro | pawky: you've changed a file from refhashlist, malf is already guaranteed. | 04:41 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: resource busy. | 04:41 |
| pawky | javispedro: by doing? | 04:42 |
| javispedro | if you return back to closed mode | 04:42 |
| pawky | javispedro: ohh.. yeah if ever going back from openmode, wich I never will, if no one could convince me why.. | 04:42 |
| javispedro | you gain little in openmode if you do not install opensh. | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | devel-su - user | 04:42 |
| pawky | javispedro: whats the link again? | 04:43 |
| Lilltiger | where is the file that mounts the ssl/certs located? | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | cp -a /etc/ssl/certs MyDoc/certs | 04:44 |
| javispedro | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=36899&postcount=210 and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/opensh/ | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: patched_openmode FTW | 04:44 |
| pawky | done.. | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | aegis will *alwaqys* just smile | 04:45 |
| javispedro | not entirely the same thing | 04:45 |
| pawky | ehh.. i have unpatched.. .still valid i hope? | 04:45 |
| javispedro | some applications can still fetch the list of tokens your process has from aegis and deny | 04:46 |
| javispedro | on their own | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, trrue | 04:46 |
| javispedro | e.g. the d-bus server, but fortunately it stops doing that if it finds itself in open mode. | 04:46 |
| pawky | javispedro: ok.. so now its just to relogin and go for root instead of devel-su? | 04:46 |
| javispedro | devel-sh | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | opensh | 04:47 |
| javispedro | er, yeah. | 04:47 |
| pawky | thanks :- | 04:47 |
| pawky | :-) | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually even relogin is not needed | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | strictly | 04:48 |
| pawky | operation not permited.. | 04:48 |
| pawky | cannot unmount.. | 04:48 |
| pawky | i think some files are in use in there.. for ssh.. | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | you shall use your own discovery, and nuke the mount out of the includes list | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | then reboot, then copy back the crap from MyDocs/certs to original place | 04:50 |
| pawky | doing... | 04:50 |
| javispedro | EPERM is not EBUSY | 04:51 |
| pawky | by by phone... | 04:51 |
| pawky | booting.. | 04:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders to get himself some Valium | 04:51 | |
| * DocScrutinizer relizes he has no such stuff | 04:52 | |
| pawky | *pawky gives valium to DocSCrutinizer * | 04:52 |
| pawky | great, an empty certs :-) | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's expected | 04:53 |
| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, i just did the cert copy thing, and seems like verisign still isent trusted (althought I do not know if that is expected or not) | 04:53 |
| pawky | not expected.. | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, after copy it should maybe behave. Try chown, chmod on all certs | 04:54 |
| pawky | they are root:root | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | actuall chmod a+rwx should suffice | 04:54 |
| Lilltiger | mine are mixed between root root and aegis crypto | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | check less /etc/ssl/certs/f4996e82.0 | 04:55 |
| pawky | nope.. still asks you to confirm.. :-( | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | check >># less... | 04:55 |
| pawky | for? | 04:56 |
| Lilltiger | got rights to show it | 04:56 |
| pawky | yeah.. all of them are root.. | 04:56 |
| Lilltiger | looks like a proper key | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | please pastebin ># ls -l /etc/ssl/certs|head | 04:57 |
| pawky | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/171099 | 04:57 |
| pawky | just a sample midst.. | 04:57 |
| Lilltiger | how did you do that so fast? | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think javispedro is right | 04:58 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: trigger happy :-D | 04:58 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: about? | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | please ># chmod a+w /etc/ssl/certs/* | 04:59 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: scary... | 04:59 |
| pawky | trying.. | 05:00 |
| javispedro | or you can try the Certs app in settings and try to import one | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it's a copy, no? ;-) | 05:00 |
| javispedro | and see what it does | 05:00 |
| pawky | doing | 05:00 |
| pawky | nope.. | 05:01 |
| Lilltiger | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/171100 | 05:01 |
| Lilltiger | there is ine | 05:01 |
| pawky | it must be somewhere else you credit these pem files to be valid.. | 05:01 |
| Lilltiger | mine | 05:01 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: have yuo disabled aegis mounting cert under /etc/aegisfs.d/ ? | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | chmod a+w /etc/ssl/certs | 05:02 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, yes | 05:02 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: did it... no improvments.. | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 05:02 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: then it should only be root there.. | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think javispedro is right | 05:02 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: and you rebooted as well i suppose? | 05:02 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: not if its about the +w flag, as it makes no difference. | 05:03 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, ofcourse, the mount is gone, i just copid the symlinks, i guess you dident | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: sorry? | 05:03 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: what is he right about? | 05:04 |
| Lilltiger | verising is still not trusted after chmod a+w | 05:04 |
| Lilltiger | verisign | 05:04 |
| pawky | which it should be.. | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: about sth in browser checks for aegisfs | 05:04 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: ohh.. ok.. | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: last chance: try what certapp does | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | as javispedro suggested | 05:05 |
| pawky | doing.. | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe strace it, fileaccess, |grep ssl | 05:05 |
| pawky | question is.. which of all the certificates corresponds to verisign?... | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | or rather, redirect output to a file, and less "+/ssl" | 05:06 |
| pawky | i install all of them.. | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh, you can install from local copy. Now THAT is a nice idea :-D | 05:07 |
| pawky | i am a bit bewildered.. you can choose, install verisign.. then you get what it includes.. and you can only go back.. | 05:07 |
| javispedro | yes, blame Harm UI designers. | 05:07 |
| pawky | so.. it wont install then or? | 05:08 |
| javispedro | once you go back, it should be in the list. | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: so how do I import certs? | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh! | 05:08 |
| pawky | trying verisign | 05:08 |
| javispedro | did it stick on the list? | 05:08 |
| pawky | first one.. | 05:08 |
| pawky | no... | 05:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer calls it a day | 05:09 | |
| pawky | there is no confirm, or do button after install.. | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | one last thing, anybody dared "reset to factory state" yet? | 05:10 |
| pawky | no chance...... | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 05:10 |
| pawky | why would i want to do it? | 05:11 |
| pawky | then i would get all my aegis back i presume... | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | because that is supposed to restore all databases to a sane state, incl all the certs and whatnot | 05:11 |
| pawky | I believe i did so with my old phone though, without success.. | 05:11 |
| pawky | maybe Lilltiger can try? :-) | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no, you won't get back aegis this way | 05:11 |
| javispedro | pft, it'll surely explode | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 05:12 |
| pawky | javispedro: because? | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | but so what? reflash and redo openmode ;-D | 05:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pawky: because there are reports it did on a stock harmattan system, whenever somebody tried that | 05:13 |
| pawky | huh.... then that would be a bad suggestion to give then... ;-) | 05:13 |
| pawky | whats the connnection between these tiny links and the big pem file? | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, maybe you're smarter than the guy who got MALF after "restore factory settings" | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it might work for you | 05:14 |
| pawky | yeah.. like screaming hack, when there was none... :-( | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | the links point to files :-D | 05:14 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: thank you for clearing that one out... | 05:14 |
| pawky | now, the question is... why? | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure why system needs those particular links | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | also the names are rather strange | 05:15 |
| pawky | i moved them to a sub dir and rebooted... | 05:15 |
| pawky | now lets try again... | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably the pem files are named after a hash of the file itself, while the links pointing to them are named after a hash over the URL that needs that cert | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | or sth like that | 05:16 |
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| Lilltiger | ohh well time for bed here | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: good night | 05:17 |
| Lilltiger | at least my mobile is somewhat free now ;D | 05:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer follows good example | 05:17 | |
| javispedro | gnite then | 05:17 |
| pawky | not me.. i want to crack this.. | 05:17 |
| pawky | javispedro: will you be up a few more minutes? | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: so rethink my strace suggestion | 05:18 |
| javispedro | probably not | 05:18 |
| pawky | It must be me then.... :-( | 05:18 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: yes.. i will.. | 05:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gn8 all | 05:18 |
| pawky | will be part 2.. | 05:18 |
| pawky | n8 | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | for javispedro: bn8 | 05:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | buenas n8s | 05:20 |
| pawky | javispedro: the bug seems partly to be not being able to install any certificates what so ever.. | 05:20 |
| pawky | javispedro: due to lack of ok button.. | 05:21 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: gute n8 | 05:21 |
| javispedro | pawky: no, that's normal as I said | 05:21 |
| javispedro | the interface is designed that way, don't ask me why | 05:21 |
| pawky | javispedro: but there must be some other file containing the list of which ones are installed.. | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | strace | 05:22 |
| pawky | working on it.. | 05:22 |
| javispedro | well, feel free to read stuff about how openssl stores certificates | 05:22 |
| pawky | Well.. I thought your knowledge might give me a shortcut... :-) | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ># cat /etc/ssl/certs/*.pem|find-name-of-ssl-cert ?? | 05:25 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: have you started the browser from ssh? | 05:26 |
| pawky | DISPLAY=:0.0 doesn't seem to help.. | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 05:27 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well.. the first cert listed when importing will be the verisign cert if thats what your after :-) | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | never did | 05:27 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: maybe i can hock on to the pid.. | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd strace the certmanapp | 05:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever that is | 05:27 |
| pawky | looking.. | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it's inside browser? | 05:28 |
| pawky | the browser name is fenix right? | 05:28 |
| pawky | or not.. | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | settings->security-certs:menu->add_new | 05:29 |
| pawky | doesnt work.. | 05:29 |
| pawky | ohh... ok.. | 05:29 |
| pawky | q | 05:29 |
| pawky | oops | 05:29 |
| pawky | whats the browser name? | 05:30 |
| pawky | wtf... ptrace operation not permitted... | 05:32 |
| pawky | im not able to connect to a process with strace? | 05:32 |
| pawky | has anyone succeeded to connect strace to a running process? | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you are, when either using opensh or same user | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 05:35 |
| pawky | trying | 05:35 |
| pawky | nope.. not as user.. | 05:36 |
| pawky | and not through opensh | 05:36 |
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| pawky | javispedro: still there? | 06:10 |
| pawky | This is what I have done so far: mv /etc/aegisfs.d/*.conf /root | 06:13 |
| pawky | This will make the certificates show up in the certificate list. :-) | 06:13 |
| pawky | you still seem to have to confirm using them thought :-( | 06:14 |
| pawky | any one having an idea why its totally impossible to remove the files copied from /etc/ssl/certs to /home/user/certs/certs ? | 07:00 |
| pawky | no matter if I'm devel-su, opensh root,user and no matter who I set is the owner of the directory and files.. | 07:01 |
| pawky | i get the feeling that opensh root isnt true root either... | 07:02 |
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| Arkenoi | damn IM/voip account diagnostics sucks big time. everything that could happen is either "network error" or "incorrect password", while being neither of two :-/ | 12:16 |
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| matrixx | is there a way sync contacts only to PC? | 12:45 |
| matrixx | need to get them transferred from normal sim to micro one (n950 -> n9) :) | 12:45 |
| hiemanshu | matrixx: nokia suite? | 12:47 |
| matrixx | does it work with N9/N950? | 12:48 |
| hiemanshu | IIRC yes | 12:48 |
| matrixx | ok, let's try it out, thanks | 12:48 |
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| matrixx | seems to say it's not supported, but still seems to work :D | 12:56 |
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| matrixx | hiemanshu: it seems to do the trick for N950 but not for N9 :/ | 13:01 |
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| jussi | matrixx: stick your sim in some phone and do the import via bluetooth - thats what I did from android -> n950 | 13:02 |
| CissWit | matrixx: can't you use bluetooth to transfer contacts directly from n950 to n9 ? It worked for me from n95 to n9. | 13:03 |
| CissWit | dunno if it could fit your needs | 13:03 |
| jussi | CissWit: hehe :D | 13:03 |
| CissWit | jussi: :) you're quick ! | 13:03 |
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| matrixx | thanks jussi, CissWit! | 13:13 |
| matrixx | bluetooth worked perfectly | 13:13 |
| jussi | matrixx: so it worked? | 13:13 |
| jussi | excellent | 13:13 |
| matrixx | I was thinking too complex | 13:13 |
| matrixx | pc-backup would be nice though, but maybe we get the support later | 13:14 |
| jussi | matrixx: yeah, I agree, would be nice, but not essential. | 13:15 |
| matrixx | yeah, can do without :) | 13:15 |
| matrixx | now I've set my N950 free for Nemo :) | 13:16 |
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| rzr-mob | Hi | 13:43 |
| psycho_oreos | ih | 13:46 |
| rzr-mob | I am testing an other irc client now | 13:48 |
| rzr-mob | Seems to work | 13:48 |
| psycho_oreos | quassel? | 13:48 |
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| rzr-mob | YEs | 13:52 |
| rzr-mob | Noticed i cant log into the twitter app too | 13:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | not nokia accounts problem? | 13:54 |
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| rzr-mob | Probally do u know how to fix it ? | 13:55 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 13:55 |
| psycho_oreos | when I had issues with inability to create a nokia account, I reflashed, though others say restting back to default may help | 13:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | actually correction, after reboot I cannot bootup properly, something about dnsmasq issues | 13:58 |
| psycho_oreos | so yeah essentially I was forces to reflash | 13:59 |
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| rzr-mob | I will live without it | 14:04 |
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| rzr-mob | Hi gtkman | 14:10 |
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| pawky | does anyone know how I will be able to erase all certificates I have copied from /etc/ssl/certs to /home/user/certs/certs ? | 14:36 |
| pawky | doesn't seem to mater who I am or who owns those files they always give me permission denied when trying to.. :-( | 14:38 |
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| Arkenoi | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=245 | 14:49 |
| Arkenoi | wow | 14:49 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 245 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, CPU 100% tracker contacts merge | 14:49 |
| Arkenoi | can't wait for the update! | 14:49 |
| pawky | doesn't anyone have an idea how to erase the files? | 14:52 |
| jussi | RzR: I figured out whats wrong. We need to set the package to build the mobile client. | 14:54 |
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| jussi | RzR: so in the packaging, pass "-DWANT_MOBILECLIENT" to cmake. | 14:55 |
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| Corsac | Arkenoi: do we have any news on pr1.2 btw? | 15:09 |
| Corsac | ~pr1.2 | 15:09 |
| infobot | hmm... pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update | 15:09 |
| Corsac | ha. | 15:09 |
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| pawky | jonni: might you have the answer to my un-erasable files in /home/user ?:-) | 15:15 |
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| jussi | RzR: also, its no longer available in the ovi store | 15:29 |
| Venemo | ~seen MohammadAG | 15:30 |
| infobot | mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 7d 1h 41m 31s ago, saying: 'The pieces were transparent?'. | 15:30 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, what does it say when you try to remove it? | 15:33 |
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| pawky | Well.. it tells me permission denied :-( | 15:49 |
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| pawky | Lilltiger: No matter who I am, or who owns the files.... i cannot delete them what so ever.. | 15:49 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: I think I will reset the account and see how that goes.. | 15:50 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, all of the files, or just some? | 15:50 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: all of them | 15:50 |
| Lilltiger | and it's the certs? | 15:50 |
| Lilltiger | as i copied them as well, i can try | 15:50 |
| pawky | yes.. a bunch of copied certs from when aegis owned them. | 15:50 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: But I have removed aegis to be the one owning /etc/ssl/certs after copying the files in them to /home/user/certs/certs | 15:51 |
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| pawky | (I am still trying to crack that certificate issue) | 15:52 |
| pawky | Thus, I can change the rights on the files, The owner of the files, but not delete them | 15:52 |
| Lilltiger | i can move thous delete them, hmm | 15:52 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: I think something went terrible bonkers... so I reset account.. | 15:52 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: I think I came a bit further yesterday regarding the certs.. can you check if you have any certs in settings->security->certcs? | 15:53 |
| Lilltiger | i got all of them there | 15:54 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: clearing device... | 15:54 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: the phone seems to other wise work quite happily without any files in /etc/aegisfs.d/ | 15:55 |
| Lilltiger | btw the browser name is grob | 15:55 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: yeah, i figured that one out yesterday ;-) | 15:55 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: though strangely i wasn't able to strace it properly. Grob starts, but strace ends after a while.. | 15:56 |
| Lilltiger | i dont have strace installed :( | 15:56 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: its going to be interesting what a 'reset' means for a unit that doesn't have a single aegis mount... | 15:57 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: then install it :-9 | 15:57 |
| pawky | :-) | 15:57 |
| pawky | pawky: you got lots of nice stuff under developer mode | 15:57 |
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| pawky | wget, strace, tcpdump | 15:57 |
| pawky | (gosh, I just spoke to myself...) | 15:57 |
| Lilltiger | depends of tk but tk wont install when i do apt-get install strace | 15:59 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: gosh... you can use the UI | 15:59 |
| Lilltiger | ui? | 15:59 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: what is it... settings->security->developer mode yada yada.. i think.. my phone is rebooting | 16:00 |
| Lilltiger | ahh | 16:00 |
| Lilltiger | i thouhgt i had it all, but did not :) | 16:00 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: :-) | 16:01 |
| Lilltiger | all i had was utils :D | 16:01 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: There are a few other goodies there as well... | 16:01 |
| Lilltiger | wonder wich of em includes strace | 16:02 |
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| pawky | Lilltiger: click on them and they tell you before installing.. | 16:02 |
| pawky | ahh.. my phone boots :-) | 16:03 |
| Lilltiger | ohh my it was included in "Tracing" i would never have guessed that | 16:03 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: right... | 16:04 |
| pawky | but I have never been able to get that strace to good use, as you cannot hook it unto a pid.. | 16:04 |
| Lilltiger | indeed, operation not permitted | 16:09 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: you can do a strace grob -prestart but strace will end after a few seconds.. | 16:10 |
| Lilltiger | mmm | 16:11 |
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| Lilltiger | grob seems to fork itself | 16:12 |
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| pawky | Lilltiger: yeah... there are som other tracers there as well not known to me... maybe they could do better... | 16:19 |
| Lilltiger | emm hmm | 16:24 |
| Lilltiger | not even gdb can follow it even if i tell it to follow the child fork | 16:24 |
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| pawky | Lilltiger: how are things going? | 16:26 |
| Lilltiger | badly | 16:27 |
| Lilltiger | i wonder what it does, it seems like it dosent fork | 16:29 |
| Lilltiger | maybe it does and exec call throught the kernel | 16:29 |
| Lilltiger | is the openmode kernel hardened? | 16:30 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: not that I know of... | 16:30 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: I think it forks... just as when you open another page.. | 16:30 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: but the irritating part is that you don't seem to be able to connect to its pid.. | 16:31 |
| Lilltiger | then gdb should have been able to follow it, when i have set the detatch-on-fork off | 16:31 |
| Lilltiger | ill try the other way | 16:32 |
| pawky | good thought.. | 16:32 |
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| pawky | now... this is strange.... | 16:35 |
| Lilltiger | follow-exec-mode does not work either | 16:35 |
| maskatti | hello | 16:36 |
| pawky | i reset my phone only to notice it hasnt reset anything under /home/user my bloody /home/user/certs/certs is still there "#¤!!! | 16:36 |
| pawky | maskatti: ehlo | 16:36 |
| Lilltiger | pawky, do mount | grep certs | 16:36 |
| pawky | I thought it would clear /home/user once and for all | 16:36 |
| Lilltiger | to make sure it's not a munt | 16:37 |
| Lilltiger | mount | 16:37 |
| pawky | but nothing should moun it there.. | 16:37 |
| Lilltiger | i know | 16:37 |
| maskatti | N900 and Nemo mobile | 16:37 |
| Lilltiger | but just to make sure, better safe then sorry | 16:37 |
| pawky | nothing... as expected | 16:38 |
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| pawky | maskatti: thank you for sharing | 16:39 |
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| Lilltiger | pawky, try "lsof" one of the files | 16:42 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: I have tried that before as well to no avail... its something really strange going on here... I presume aegis is the guilty one again.. | 16:43 |
| Lilltiger | then why can i change them | 16:44 |
| Lilltiger | and if you copied them aegis cant have any hold over them | 16:45 |
| pawky | i think it might have to do with me doing some moves earlier.. | 16:45 |
| Lilltiger | hmm did you change the ssl deamon to look for the certs there? | 16:46 |
| pawky | but the big question is, how does one actually reformat /home ? | 16:46 |
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| Lilltiger | well.. you could unmount all that is mounted to home, install fdisk and then unmount home and fdisk the partition it was mounted to | 16:49 |
| Lilltiger | but i think that would be a bad idea.. | 16:49 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: i think the phone will go beserk if doing such a thing... | 16:50 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: yeah... the UI wouldn't like it... | 16:50 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: but there must be a way to totally clear your unit.... a total flash? | 16:50 |
| Lilltiger | what if you flash it with the navi image and do a total flash | 16:51 |
| Lilltiger | then after that do the reflash with the openmode | 16:51 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: I think thats my next step... :-( | 16:51 |
| Lilltiger | but hmm try to move your certs folder | 16:52 |
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| pawky | Lilltiger: I can do nothing with it.. | 16:52 |
| Lilltiger | copy it? | 16:52 |
| pawky | yes.. | 16:52 |
| Lilltiger | copy works? | 16:52 |
| pawky | and change rights and owner... | 16:52 |
| Lilltiger | k | 16:53 |
| pawky | but not move, or rm | 16:53 |
| Lilltiger | can yuo remove the copy? | 16:53 |
| pawky | hmm.. | 16:53 |
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| pawky | thats interesting... i suddenly also have a file called keychain in /home/user/.signon/private | 16:54 |
| pawky | do you have that one as well? | 16:55 |
| Lilltiger | nope | 16:56 |
| Lilltiger | cat it | 16:56 |
| pawky | i did :-) | 16:56 |
| pawky | will save.. | 16:56 |
| Lilltiger | maybe you have a daemon that is using the certs and that is the reason to why you cant delete them | 16:57 |
| pawky | Lilltiger: but who would look for them there? | 16:57 |
| Lilltiger | nothing, unless you told it to.. or hmm maybe ~/certs/ is a standard path for the daemon to look in | 16:58 |
| pawky | nah... i created that one myself.. then made a misstake not adding the / so I got two certs/certs ... | 16:58 |
| Lilltiger | k | 16:58 |
| Lilltiger | well yes you might have made it yourself, but some daemons check for folders in ~/ by default so if one makes a folder that correspodent to it the daemon will pick it up | 17:00 |
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| pawky | copied that keychain file :-) | 17:00 |
| Lilltiger | but then i named mine certs as well | 17:00 |
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| pawky | that keychain contains some bytearray 1="@ByteArray(\xe8\xa8 etc... | 17:02 |
| pawky | I wonder where that one came from as you don't seem to have it... | 17:03 |
| Lilltiger | mmm | 17:03 |
| Lilltiger | mybe you did some ssh ing? | 17:04 |
| pawky | no, actually i cannot do that of some unknown reason at the moment.. | 17:04 |
| pawky | or... well.. yeah.. i did try to connect out of the unit.. so that must be it.... | 17:05 |
| Lilltiger | btw have you tried with another browser | 17:05 |
| pawky | probably a known_host file then.. | 17:05 |
| Lilltiger | like the opera one? | 17:05 |
| pawky | nope | 17:05 |
| Lilltiger | maybe we should | 17:05 |
| Lilltiger | might be something in the built in one | 17:05 |
| pawky | The question is... if a full firmare flash still will not erase /home/user I will be kind of stuck... | 17:06 |
| pawky | as I will certainly get a MALF | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pawky: a full reflash resets ALL afaik | 17:10 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: ahh.. there you are :-) | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | no :-P | 17:11 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well... there you where then... | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | you only think that I'm there | 17:11 |
| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, actually, you only which you arent here | 17:12 |
| pawky | whats that eMMC stuff actually? | 17:12 |
| pawky | external MMC memory? | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: strace -f `pidof grob` | 17:13 |
| beford | embedded Memory card | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet it forks, without -f you'll lose the forks | 17:14 |
| beford | multimedia card or something | 17:14 |
| pawky | tried with -f | 17:14 |
| pawky | why would one want to reflash it? | 17:14 |
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| pawky | could that be /home/user ? | 17:14 |
| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, operation not permitted, and gdb cant even follow the forks | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | stracing grob is a bit tricky as it gets prestarted on boot | 17:17 |
| Lilltiger | i tried to kill all prestarts and the invoker | 17:17 |
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| Lilltiger | they died | 17:17 |
| Lilltiger | but still same result | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you starting it manually will just send a msg to the already running instance | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can kill grob, it respawns. you can't kill invoker | 17:18 |
| Lilltiger | ahh never checked if it restarted hehe | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | killing invoker should cause a reboot, for all I would assume | 17:19 |
| Lilltiger | killall invoker dident say anything | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | though maybe it's not invoker, but dsme that does the respawn of all preloaded processes and will cause reboot when killed itself | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | invoker probably just is a shared lib sharing wrapper | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | around all GUI processes | 17:21 |
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| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, would the Opera Browser have it's own certs? | 17:22 |
| Lilltiger | because using it it did not complian about the cert for verisign | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | from fremantle: | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l `which modest` | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2011-11-30 18:44 /usr/bin/modest -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: the quite probably yes | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: actually I recall one of last fixed tickets of opera was sth about ",ark diginotar revoked in opera's certs" | 17:25 |
| Lilltiger | k | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | so yes, it is using its own cert store | 17:25 |
| Lilltiger | hmm how about fennec | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 17:26 |
| Lilltiger | nfc? | 17:27 |
| Lilltiger | no fucking clue? | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | about invoker: it is a common shared process to provide all the shared libs only once. It invokes the real binary (modest, grob, whatever) from the name it is invoked itself. In above example maemo-invoker gets started with $0 = "modest" and thus it lauches modest.real or sth, with all *.so already loaded/linked to process addr space | 17:28 |
| hiemanshu | Near Field Communication | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nfc | 17:28 |
| infobot | nfc is probably No Fucking Clue, or near field communications | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Not the Faintest Clue ;-D | 17:29 |
| Clint | don't forget the unicode normalization | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (invoker) to accomplish that task invoker probably just sends a msg to the already running instance of itself, then terminates - otherwise the goal of keeping all the *.so already preloaded was moot | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | the already running instance then launches xyz.real | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | KDE does exactly same AFAIK | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well kinda | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | HTH | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to strace | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it obviously makes stracing a bit tricky | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and general preloading doesn't help either, which is yet another concept used concurrently | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5577 user 20 0 135M 24920 17860 S 0.0 2.5 0:00.00 /usr/bin/grob -prestart | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5578 user 20 0 135M 24920 17860 S 0.0 2.5 0:00.00 /usr/bin/grob -prestart | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5575 user 20 0 1836 504 440 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 /usr/bin/invoker --type=m /usr/bin/grob -prestart | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | htop ^^^ | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's dsme too | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so not that much changed from fremantle | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | just they don't use symlinks anymore, thanks aegis I guess | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | what a terrible waste of manpower | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | to code all that 'nonsense' | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gifted young Nokia developers wasted for adopting the MSSF requirements into all binaries | 17:41 |
| trx | lol | 17:41 |
| trx | [16:40] <DocScrutinizer> 5577 user 20 0 135M 24920 17860 S 0.0 2.5 0:00.00 /usr/bin/grob -prestart | 17:41 |
| trx | grob = grave in serbian | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | grob = brute in German | 17:42 |
| gabriel9 | grob | 17:42 |
| gabriel9 | who is serb here_ | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | toldya Nokia never was short of ideas for really strange names | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | microb is at least as bewildering a name for a browser | 17:43 |
| gabriel9 | microb is microorganism in serb | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | worldwide | 17:43 |
| gabriel9 | ups mikrob :D | 17:43 |
| gabriel9 | dam'n this eng | 17:44 |
| gabriel9 | i forgot my own language | 17:44 |
| gabriel9 | my ancestors are turning inside their graves | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I'll never forget Pascal | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 17:44 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 17:44 |
| gabriel9 | good one | 17:44 |
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| trx | gabriel9 me | 17:45 |
| gabriel9 | trx from where are you? | 17:45 |
| gabriel9 | odakle si? | 17:45 |
| trx | Vojvodina, Novo Milosevo | 17:45 |
| trx | near Kikinda | 17:45 |
| gabriel9 | Banja Luka RS | 17:46 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 17:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: you obv did not forget you lang | 17:46 |
| pawky | gabriel9: chvala kako ti? | 17:46 |
| trx | how's Harmattan development in BL? :) | 17:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | as you said "my ancestors are turning inside their graves | 17:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | " | 17:46 |
| gabriel9 | stvarno mi je drago da barem neko ima odavde još(i'm really happy that there is someone from this lands) | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | english please! | 17:46 |
| trx | lets keep it plain english | 17:47 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 17:47 |
| trx | :) | 17:47 |
| gabriel9 | ok | 17:47 |
| gabriel9 | oh | 17:47 |
| gabriel9 | i must go | 17:47 |
| gabriel9 | work over | 17:47 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 17:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's common phrase in russian s well, but damn, it doesn't sound normal in english | 17:47 |
| trx | bon voyage | 17:47 |
| gabriel9 | see ya | 17:47 |
| trx | russian and serbian are very simmilar | 17:47 |
| trx | well, all slavic languages | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya, kids. bbl | 17:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | trx: yeah but still my penis is longer =P | 17:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | joking | 17:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: don't lie | 17:48 |
| trx | good for you | 17:48 |
| trx | :) | 17:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | you'lll be here all the time scanning the chan for info | 17:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | trx: not me but my gf =P | 17:48 |
| pawky | trx: zdrazvotje :-) | 17:49 |
| trx | yeah, i dont think so, you mentioned it on #harmattan :) | 17:49 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: so.. where are we regarding those certs? | 17:50 |
| pawky | I am überflashing my phone back to stock, to get rid of those pem files under user... :-( | 17:50 |
| pawky | any luck debugging things Lilltiger ? | 17:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | pawky: so how was your open mode exp? | 17:51 |
| pawky | ZogG_laptop: well.. i found a way to get the passwords to stick :-D | 17:52 |
| pawky | ZogG_laptop: and I kicked out all the aegisfs mounts :-) | 17:53 |
| pawky | ZogG_laptop: in general things worked as suposed :-) | 17:53 |
| pawky | ZogG_laptop: but we do have some problem with the browser root certs. | 17:53 |
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| pawky | ZogG_laptop: and playing with those I succeeded to copy them into user space where they got superstuck.. | 17:54 |
| pawky | hence reflashing... | 17:54 |
| pawky | i thought a reset would actually clear /home but it doesnt | 17:54 |
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| pawky | I think I go back to open mode again.. much more fun there... :-D | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: so before flashing back to securemode/stock, did you try "reset to factory settings"? | 18:00 |
| pawky | yes... | 18:00 |
| pawky | hmm.. reset account that is.. | 18:00 |
| pawky | i can try the other one as well if you want.. what should happen? | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | nono, reset whole device to factory settings | 18:00 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: will it die a horrable death? | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | it should recreate all the databases to what the device shipped with | 18:01 |
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| pawky | well... I have just installed the openmode kernel again, after an eMMC flash | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | system maybe, actually probably will. hw not though ;-D | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey javispedro | 18:01 |
| javispedro | moo. | 18:01 |
| javispedro | oh no | 18:01 |
| javispedro | still there? | 18:01 |
| javispedro | =) | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahahahaha | 18:01 |
| pawky | great all are back on track again :-D | 18:02 |
| pawky | i will remove all aegisfs mounts again :-) | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: actually I think "reset to factory defaults" failed for those poor pals DUE TO aegis, and it has better chances to work on your openmode aegisfree setup | 18:03 |
| pawky | ill bet it does | 18:03 |
| pawky | javispedro: are you not happy to see me? :-) | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | it shall restore all databases in an "e,pty" state (incl the default accounts that ship from Nokia), it also *should* restore certs | 18:04 |
| javispedro | a lot | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just in case | 18:04 |
| *** javispedro changes topic to "A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9, hurry and you're the senior member | Please stay on topic and no NDA stuff here | Developers : http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landia lng_page | logs: htthahp://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | ~aegis-no-thanks" | 18:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 18:05 |
| *** javispedro changes topic to "A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9, hurry and you're the senior member | Please stay on topic and no NDA stuff here | Developers : http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | ~aegis-no-thanks" | 18:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | missing /topicdiff | 18:05 |
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| javispedro | just a typo actually =) | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, you already *are* in access list :-D | 18:07 |
| pawky | this is odd.. i cannot connect to the unit through USB any more :-( | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: unusual | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | caused by your PC I'd guess | 18:09 |
| pawky | just restarted /etc/init.d/network | 18:09 |
| pawky | well i get the connection... cant ping the unit though.. | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | flasher is known to mess with kernel modules, to make flashing work | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno if you maybe need to modpobe cdc_ether cdc_phonet, or sth | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ again, to prove ZogG_laptop false | 18:11 |
| pawky | but do i get it correctly flahing eMMC will just erase /home ? | 18:11 |
| pawky | something seems seriously screwed.. tried on another machine with the same results.. | 18:15 |
| pawky | suspecting the lack of certs might have to do with this.... somehow.. | 18:16 |
| pawky | so lets try that factory reset while at it :-D | 18:18 |
| pawky | bye bye phone... :'( | 18:19 |
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| pawky | well.. if one (as I have) has removed all conf files under /etc/aegisfs.d/ a factory reset doesn't do much at all... | 18:23 |
| pawky | I am getting a bit bewildered what to actually flash to get a total reset? | 18:26 |
| pawky | that eMMC flash seems to only have reset /home which is nice but not all needed.. | 18:27 |
| pawky | should it be the DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.2_PR_LECACY_339_ARMRM-696_PRD_signed.bin ? | 18:27 |
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| pawky | of some reason it doesn't like to be flashed :-( | 18:31 |
| pawky | i get a SU_GET_UPDATE_STATUS_REQ terminated with error code 10: Security failure... :-( | 18:32 |
| rcg | alright, any hint on where to look for a nfc low-level api for the n9? | 18:40 |
| javispedro | the situation is friggin increible with nokia suite and the n9 | 18:40 |
| javispedro | they basically blacklist the n9 for unspecified reasons | 18:40 |
| rcg | seems like those cards need to be formatted first to be used as type 2 tags: http://www.nxp.com/documents/application_note/1303.pdf | 18:40 |
| javispedro | I don't know if there's malice involved ("let's fsck the n9." signed: elop), naivety (the n9 is so great it needs no stinking sync program), or what | 18:41 |
| rcg | but well.. apparently qtmobility aint the right tool for this job as it seems to expect "usable" nfc tags | 18:41 |
| rcg | btw. I was already digging through the qtmobility code that is publicly available.. it seems qtm is getting most of its data/information about nfc tags via dbus | 18:42 |
| thp | rcg: there's rlinfati's nfc tag writer app, and a "ps ax" shows the nfcd running | 18:43 |
| thp | rcg: maybe have a look at how qtmobility talks with the nfc/nfcd | 18:43 |
| thp | rcg: also on nokia developer you will find the nfcinfo app with source | 18:43 |
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| rcg | thp: yeah, been already using that app for testing purposes.. but it's too high-level, I assume | 18:44 |
| rcg | thp: thanks for the nfcd hint.. that's another place I can digg around | 18:45 |
| javispedro | seems closed source | 18:45 |
| thp | ..as expected :/ | 18:45 |
| rcg | hmmz | 18:45 |
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| rcg | well.. other cards work well, with rlinfati's app, with the nfcinfo reference implementation, and also with my own app | 18:46 |
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| rcg | it's just those mifare ultralight thingies which refuse to work properly... | 18:46 |
| pawky | I think I am a bit out of luck here... does anybody have a link to the 22.2011.44.2 firmware for the 059L7N7? :-( | 18:46 |
| thp | rcg: i had problems reading my passport with nfcinfo, but an oyster card worked great (serial no only) | 18:47 |
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| rcg | thp: ic... as far as I can tell, those ultralight tags are picked up as type 2 tags but report a memory size of 0.. that's at least what I could get with the debugging code in my app... | 18:48 |
| rcg | btw I also played around with my id card and passport.. the id card gets identified as proprietary tag and the passport is reported as tag4.. fwiw | 18:48 |
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| javispedro | thp: btw | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: what's the problem? | 18:49 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: cannot flash :-( last line before pipe speaks about Downgrade disallowed) | 18:50 |
| javispedro | thp: I didn't integrate the changes to fmrx because I'm writing a replacement so that only a daemon runs as root | 18:50 |
| rcg | for the sake of completeness.. i also have a type4 card here which works just fine | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pawky: for flashing, start flasher, then plug in the POWERED-DOWN device to USB | 18:50 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: got some Security 10 error when trying to flash the 20.22.40-4 version | 18:50 |
| javispedro | thp: just in case you wanted to know why the merge request is still pending :) | 18:51 |
| thp | javispedro: sounds good :) that's the right thing do to | 18:51 |
| thp | javispedro: btw, did you do any work on sowatch lately or has that project been put on the backburner? ;) | 18:51 |
| javispedro | oh, I did somework to get it working on the n900 while I didn't had my n950 | 18:51 |
| javispedro | I pushed it last week iirc | 18:52 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: nope still the same Security 10 error :-( | 18:52 |
| javispedro | with the n950 back i'll get onto it once I finish fmrx | 18:52 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: maybe that openmode kernel is a 44.2 version? | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 18:52 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: what is security 10 then??? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 18:53 |
| rcg | i just hoped for some very low level access to the nfc stuff... | 18:53 |
| rcg | with respect to nfcd.. a quick google showed this up: http://code.google.com/p/nfc-tools/wiki/nfcd | 18:55 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: and its the 1.1GB file that is the one to flash right? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are many fiasco images, you need to use the one matching your model (well, not necessarily, as frals told us, we could flash to other local if it doesn't introduce conflicts with e.g. cmt firmware special build for a particular country) | 18:58 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: got all the files for my model using NaviFirm.. | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, then what's written in http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4728&page=17 whole thread, and in tmo similar thread, that's all I know | 19:02 |
| thp | javispedro: i had a merge request for sowatch too iirc, but i never followed up on it, so i'm not sure about the status | 19:02 |
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| javispedro | merged long ago I think | 19:02 |
| thp | ok great :) | 19:02 |
| javispedro | you can find it on OBS these days btw | 19:03 |
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| thp | yay :) haven't used the metawatch for some time now, though.. the digital version's display is really hard to read | 19:03 |
| javispedro | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/javispedro%3a/sowatch/harmattan/armel/ | 19:03 |
| javispedro | whaa | 19:03 |
| javispedro | ah well :) | 19:04 |
| thp | javispedro: did you promote it to apps.formeego already? or is it missing a gui? | 19:10 |
| thp | i'd like to do the same for fmradio after you tell me that you are done with your refactoring work | 19:11 |
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| javispedro | it's missing a ui indeed.. | 19:12 |
| Lilltiger | both Fennec and Opera Mobile verifies verisign as safe source, but they both seem to provide thire own certs so.. | 19:16 |
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| pawky | wow.. has anybody ever got the message Reinstall authorized operating system ??? | 19:19 |
| flux | pawky, what did you do?-) | 19:20 |
| pawky | well... i just dif flasher --erase-user-data | 19:20 |
| pawky | s/dif/did/ | 19:20 |
| infobot | pawky meant: well... i just did flasher --erase-user-data | 19:20 |
| pawky | I think I need some help now..... :-( | 19:27 |
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| pawky | it seems the system believes the version in the phone is newer than whats actually in it... | 19:31 |
| Jare | can i see the current cellular signal strength in dBm from somewhere? | 19:34 |
| pawky | If i just want to put in the stock closed kernel, which of all the files might that be? | 19:37 |
| pawky | ok.. i think I am back on track again... stock stuff going in... | 19:42 |
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| pawky | anybody having an idea what might go wrong after that warning message comes up and clears away with nothing else happening? | 19:48 |
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| kralor | anyone knows why socket(PF_PACKET, SOCK_RAW, 768) fails with a -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) ? | 19:49 |
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| pawky | aegis? | 19:50 |
| kralor | ok it seems so | 19:50 |
| pawky | yup... | 19:50 |
| kralor | wtf is that aegis ? | 19:50 |
| kralor | I was reading about it while searching "sock_raw harmattan" | 19:50 |
| pawky | security thingy making your life misserable.. | 19:50 |
| kralor | :) | 19:51 |
| kralor | how is it implemented ? | 19:51 |
| kralor | is it a module ? | 19:51 |
| pawky | im no expert in its implementation... but the only way to bypass it would be to use an openmode kernel... | 19:51 |
| pawky | a kernel which ignores aegis jibberish.. | 19:52 |
| kralor | k | 19:52 |
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| kralor | "Only processes with effective UID 0 or the CAP_NET_RAW capability may open packet sockets." | 19:53 |
| kralor | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/manpages/man7/packet.7.html | 19:53 |
| pawky | yes.. and very few are uid 0... | 19:55 |
| kralor | well nmap is 0 | 19:55 |
| kralor | -rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 1797049 Dec 26 17:30 /usr/local/bin/nmap | 19:55 |
| pawky | or root, to be a bit more precise.. | 19:55 |
| kralor | and I ran it as root | 19:55 |
| kralor | I'll check if it drops privs | 19:56 |
| pawky | how did you run it as root? | 19:56 |
| pawky | devel-su is not true root.. | 19:56 |
| kralor | erhm logging as root ? | 19:56 |
| kralor | ah ok | 19:56 |
| kralor | yeah so I did it with devel-su - | 19:56 |
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| kralor | ok so the most elegant way would be | 19:56 |
| pawky | have you just tried to run it as user? | 19:56 |
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| kralor | "Only processes with effective UID 0 or the CAP_NET_RAW capability may open packet sockets." | 19:56 |
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| kralor | to set that CAP_NET_RAW to the process | 19:57 |
| kralor | ? | 19:57 |
| kralor | nop but I need to be root for raw sockets anyway | 19:57 |
| pawky | just try... | 19:57 |
| kralor | k | 19:57 |
| kralor | TCP/IP fingerprinting (for OS scan) requires root privileges. | 19:57 |
| pawky | i think I spoke with someone about this earlier a few days ago.. check the backlog for nmap or tcpdump.. i think it was tcpdump.. | 19:57 |
| kralor | damn I hate this busybox shell | 19:58 |
| pawky | well.. my phone is kind of a 'brick' at the moment.. so I cannot check for you.. try if tcpdump works.. | 19:58 |
| kralor | I ctrl-c and it fucked my shell | 19:58 |
| * kralor wants bash | 19:58 | |
| kralor | yes tcpdump works like a charm | 19:58 |
| pawky | ctrl-c should work in your shell.. | 19:58 |
| kralor | it works but it then fuck up the display :) | 19:59 |
| kralor | no more 'echo' | 19:59 |
| pawky | maybe landscape mode will do better? | 19:59 |
| kralor | /home/user $ -sh: eeeee: not found | 19:59 |
| kralor | I'm through ssh ;) | 19:59 |
| kralor | I don't feel like typing on that tiny screentouch kb | 19:59 |
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| kralor | cool there's 'bash' | 20:00 |
| pawky | then its your terminal f--ing things up.. | 20:00 |
| kralor | always had this kind of problems with set-up boxes also | 20:01 |
| kralor | with busybox | 20:01 |
| pawky | has anybody any instructrions how to flashe this N9 back to true stock? | 20:01 |
| kralor | ash is just a piece of crap | 20:01 |
| pawky | kralor: well I don't... when connecting through ssh... | 20:01 |
| kralor | also it's a shame to have 3des in /etc/passwd | 20:01 |
| pawky | because? | 20:01 |
| kralor | pawky: just run nmap | 20:02 |
| kralor | ctrl-c | 20:02 |
| kralor | then you will have the problem | 20:02 |
| kralor | ctrl-c while it scans | 20:02 |
| pawky | well... as my phone is a BRICK at the moment, i think running that softy will be highly unlikely... | 20:02 |
| kralor | :) | 20:02 |
| kralor | you fucked it ? | 20:02 |
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| kralor | I'm not sure I should follow any of your advices then?! ;P | 20:02 |
| pawky | well, would i have done that, I would at least have hade some pleasure with it... | 20:02 |
| pawky | well.. the advice to make the password stick in openmode is still very much valid... | 20:03 |
| kralor | ah :) | 20:03 |
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| pawky | i think this is the time when ones problems could be compacted into only one word... HELP!!! | 20:05 |
| kralor | why the hell can't we be "true" root ? | 20:05 |
| pawky | kralor: because then you can do true root things.. | 20:05 |
| kralor | how could tron hack into the server through pci port without true root | 20:06 |
| kralor | lies | 20:06 |
| pawky | probably by exploiting a softy that has root priveliges... | 20:07 |
| kralor | oh yeah nice | 20:07 |
| kralor | I forgot that path | 20:07 |
| pawky | s/priveliges/privileges/ | 20:07 |
| infobot | pawky meant: probably by exploiting a softy that has root privileges... | 20:07 |
| kralor | I like race conditions | 20:07 |
| kralor | well | 20:07 |
| kralor | my shell is supposed to have root | 20:07 |
| kralor | how can I differentiate a true/fake root proc ? | 20:08 |
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| kralor | 3116 root -bash | 20:08 |
| pawky | well.. i believe in this case its all about what aegis lets you do.. no matter if you are root or not.. | 20:09 |
| pawky | root, is not root under aegis.. | 20:09 |
| pawky | or everyting aegis controls.. | 20:09 |
| pawky | i am not an expert on aegis... but it kind of feels like one is communicating with a different computer to which you have limited rights... and who lets you mount some stuff on it with limited privileges... | 20:12 |
| pawky | being root on your system will not give you root on aegis... if you understand my analogy.. | 20:13 |
| pawky | so, aegis, running a complete different process will then let your kernel mount stuff on it... kind of.. | 20:14 |
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| pawky | Doesn't anybody know how to flash the N9 back to be a true stock firmware phone??? | 20:22 |
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| javispedro | lol | 20:25 |
| pawky | i can flash that DFL61 EMMC image, but it just wont boot :-( | 20:25 |
| pawky | javispedro: yeah.. really funny :-( | 20:26 |
| javispedro | the blackberry native audio SDK is basically a copy of the ALSA api | 20:26 |
| javispedro | https://bdsc.webapps.blackberry.com/native/beta/reference/com.qnx.doc.neutrino.audio/topic/libs/snd_pcm_read.html | 20:26 |
| javispedro | or a subset of it | 20:26 |
| pawky | :-) | 20:26 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer^^ =) | 20:26 |
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| pawky | Am I the only one who experienced nothing happens after the warning splash screen? | 20:29 |
| pawky | javispedro: don't you know a thing or two about flashing? :-) | 20:31 |
| javispedro | not on the N9. | 20:31 |
| pawky | javispedro: I think N950 will do as well :-) | 20:31 |
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| pawky | javispedro: what is this APE algorith stuff actually? | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | app proc env algo, to flash the cmt | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | the flasher program running on N9 linux, that talks to modem to flash cmt fw | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 20:38 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: Now when I cannot boot my device, its sooooo silent over here.. :-( | 20:38 |
| jonni | pawky: to your question earlier. most likely you just tried rm as wrong user | 20:39 |
| pawky | jonni: ahh.. my hero is back :-) | 20:39 |
| pawky | jonni: do you have any link how I will succeed to get this thing up and running again? | 20:40 |
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| jonni | pawky: you mean normal flashing? :) | 20:40 |
| pawky | yes... i flash it.. and it wont go beyond the warning screen | 20:40 |
| pawky | i have tried to find anywhere where Nokia would tell me how to flash it back to stock... but I cannot find it.. | 20:41 |
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| pawky | it complains about security issue 10.. whatever that is.. | 20:41 |
| pawky | jonni: Do you know what Security 10 means? | 20:41 |
| jonni | pawky: sudo ./flasher -fF [filenamewith40-4].bin -R | 20:41 |
| pawky | jonni: if using the file not having EMMC in it.. it wont flash giving error 10 | 20:42 |
| pawky | jonni: and if using the EMMC.. it flashes.. but wont boot.. :-( | 20:42 |
| jonni | pawky: sudo ./flasher -f -F[filenamewith40-4].bin -F[emmcfile] -R | 20:43 |
| jonni | both files in the same commandline | 20:43 |
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| javispedro | the N9 has separate emmc and rootfs files again? | 20:43 |
| pawky | jonni: ok.. will try.. DONT GO AWAY..... :-D | 20:43 |
| pawky | javispedro: it looks like it :-( | 20:44 |
| pawky | jonni: what is this Error state with status 10? | 20:44 |
| jonni | pawky: no idea, that error never comes if using right parameters :) | 20:46 |
| pawky | jonni: this will not work: flasher -f -F DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.1_EMMC_339.bin -F DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.2_PR_LEGACY_339_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin -R | 20:47 |
| pawky | :-( | 20:47 |
| jonni | pawky: what error does it give during flashing? | 20:48 |
| pawky | jonni: it just give me that 10 error.... | 20:48 |
| jonni | pawky: during flashing? | 20:48 |
| jonni | on the console? | 20:48 |
| pawky | it wont flash | 20:48 |
| pawky | yes :-( | 20:48 |
| jonni | so you have runned that command, and pressed the powerbutton about 20seconds untill device vibrates? | 20:49 |
| pawky | the last line tells me Downgrade disallowed (1323696025) and then pipo 0 finnishing error state status 10 | 20:49 |
| pawky | i have run that last command, but that will not flash.. | 20:49 |
| jonni | what does ./flasher -i tell you | 20:50 |
| jonni | well if thinks that your downgrading then it will always fail | 20:50 |
| pawky | i vill paste it.. (its on another machine..) | 20:50 |
| pawky | yes.. thats what I think.. but its the same firmware | 20:50 |
| pawky | its the one I have :-( | 20:50 |
| pawky | there is no other to upgrade to :'( | 20:50 |
| jonni | well some people have flashed pr1.1.1 and trying to downgrade to pr1.1 | 20:51 |
| pawky | i can flash the EMMC if I also provide -a and the EMMC file.. | 20:51 |
| jonni | and some people have flashed different region and trying to downgrade on same version | 20:51 |
| pawky | I have not.. i only changed the kernle to openmode :-( | 20:51 |
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| TSCHAK | anyone know where the white N9 is being sold ? | 20:51 |
| pawky | Finland.. | 20:51 |
| TSCHAK | link? | 20:52 |
| pawky | TSCHAK: google? | 20:52 |
| pawky | TSCHAK: I think i read it on the Nokia news.. | 20:52 |
| TSCHAK | fair enough. | 20:52 |
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| pawky | TSCHAK: sorry, i don't have the link... but i am certain you will find it.. | 20:52 |
| pawky | jonni: The one I have is a Swedish 64GB phone with the 40-4 firmware on it :-( | 20:53 |
| jonni | flasher -i? | 20:53 |
| javispedro | I believe that the latest NSUs can flash N9 | 20:54 |
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| jonni | you should always be able to flash same core image again, it only should give downgrade disallowed if you try to flash wrong variant | 20:54 |
| pawky | jonni: i know.. but it IS the right one... the 059L7N6 | 20:56 |
| jonni | pawky: but thats not necessarily the right one, if someone has flashed vanilla core, then you cannot flash the right variant back | 20:56 |
| jonni | thats why Im asking -i | 20:56 |
| pawky | jonni: well.. you know I got it from Nokia.. | 20:56 |
| jonni | they might have flashed different image than the variant | 20:57 |
| pawky | jonni: DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.2_PR_339 :-) | 20:57 |
| jonni | in that case you need to match the image file and not the variant string | 20:57 |
| jonni | pawky: thats the output of flasher -i? | 20:57 |
| pawky | jonni: well.. the short version (its on another machine).. | 20:58 |
| pawky | i can paste it... hold.. | 20:58 |
| pawky | jonni: this is -i minus EMAI http://paste.scsys.co.uk/171347 | 21:00 |
| jonni | pawky: hmm, that doesnt say anything, next more helpfull paste would be the output of the flasher -f -F -F -R command | 21:01 |
| pawky | jonni: hold :-) | 21:01 |
| pawky | jonni: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/171348 | 21:02 |
| pawky | there is one command that works... that is if supplying the -a SOMEFILE.bin and then also flash EMMC_something.bin | 21:04 |
| pawky | but it will still not take me beyond the warning screen.. . | 21:05 |
| jonni | then options are that your 40-4 files checksum doesnt match, it download has corrupted some byte | 21:06 |
| jonni | or you need to flash 40-4 vanilla version | 21:06 |
| pawky | i have also tried to flash just the kernel which I assumed was the RM696_059L76N_20-2011.4_001_signature.bin | 21:06 |
| lizardo | pawky: "Downgrade disallowed" at the end means you are trying to flash a variant which is lower than the one flashed on your device | 21:06 |
| pawky | lizardo: yes, this i know.. except for it being the same firmware thats on the unit :-( | 21:06 |
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| jonni | pawky: or you can just do ./flasher -fF[40-4].bin --flash-only=kernel | 21:07 |
| lizardo | pawky: well... for some reason the N9 bootloader disagrees :) | 21:07 |
| pawky | aha.. | 21:07 |
| lizardo | for reference, I got exactly this when attempting to flash a PR001 variant image onto a PR009 one... | 21:08 |
| jonni | if you have tried to flash signature.bin files you might have just screwed your device, since your not supposed to play with those :) | 21:08 |
| jonni | as that one is not the kernel, kernel is always inside the 40-4.bin image | 21:09 |
| lizardo | pawky: try cold flashing (adding -c to the flasher command) and see if it tells you which version it thinks is on the device | 21:10 |
| lizardo | that means something like : flasher -f -F <rootfs> -F <emmc> -c -R | 21:10 |
| jonni | ah yes, sudo ./flasher -f -c -F[40-4].bin -F[emmc].bin -R | 21:10 |
| jonni | paste of that one might help | 21:11 |
| pawky | lizardo: jonni: doing.. | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: wait WHAT? you flashed *.signature? | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, nm | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 21:11 |
| pawky | so.. its adding -c to the command in the paste? or the one that works with the EMMC and some APE stuff? | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | caldflashing might actually help, regarding the random manner you compose your flashing commands ;-D | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | cold* | 21:12 |
| jonni | pawky: the one with -f -c -F -F -R, there is nothing interesting in -a one, since malf is expected in that one | 21:13 |
| pawky | jonni: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/171349 | 21:15 |
| pawky | that line doesn't work :-( | 21:15 |
| jonni | ah dont try to flash emmc, use ./flasher -f -c -F[40-4.bin] | 21:17 |
| jonni | emmc flashing doesnt help you on malf anyways | 21:17 |
| pawky | jonni: i have no clue if i have a MALF... but if a black screen is its clear sign then that it is... | 21:18 |
| jonni | pawky: any luck with that command, or shall I give other options to try? | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: you nuked your kernel | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | but jonni shall know more | 21:19 |
| pawky | jonni: it complains about the 1st image not being supplied when using -c | 21:19 |
| lizardo | pawky: this *_PRD_signed.bin you got does not look like a regular N9 image... | 21:20 |
| pawky | flasher -F DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.2_PR_LEGACY_339_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin -f -c -R | 21:20 |
| pawky | lizardo: well. its 1.1GB big.. | 21:20 |
| jonni | ./flasher -f -c -F[40-4.bin] -h RM-696:1601 -R | 21:21 |
| lizardo | pawky: you can try unpacking it with flasher -F <image> -u (using the old Maemo5 flasher, as the harmattan one lacks the -u) and compare the unpacked components with the one from another image | 21:22 |
| pawky | no such parameter -h | 21:22 |
| javispedro | hm | 21:23 |
| jonni | hmm | 21:23 |
| javispedro | it's been removed too in 3.11 | 21:23 |
| pawky | flasher -v 3.2.1 | 21:23 |
| pawky | 3.12.1 | 21:24 |
| pawky | well... I can go for an old one if you think thats a good idea?... link anyone? | 21:24 |
| lizardo | javispedro: flasher 3.5 still works to unpack harmattan images :) | 21:25 |
| pawky | lizardo: so.. I should upgrade? | 21:25 |
| pawky | except for 3.5 not existing for x64 debian :-( | 21:26 |
| pawky | jonni: have you given up on me? | 21:27 |
| jonni | pawky: most likely you need to also download DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin | 21:28 |
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| lizardo | jonni: this one looks more familiar (the name) :) | 21:28 |
| pawky | jonni: I thought that one was for.. like... arabia.. or something.. | 21:28 |
| jonni | pawky: that one is the vanilla | 21:29 |
| pawky | jonni: fair enough.. then that will probably do the trick then.. (testing) | 21:29 |
| lizardo | pawky: the flasher-3.5 binary is 32bit but it should run on 64bit debian/ubuntu (at least the most recent versions with multiarch support), anyway it is only useful if you want to unpack the image you downloaded to see what's inside | 21:30 |
| pawky | lizardo: ok.. I go for finding that OEM thingy first :-) | 21:30 |
| jonni | atleast that image should hold all the 1st images for available hw | 21:32 |
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| pawky | *downloading that OEM thingy at best * | 21:33 |
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| pawky | jonni: lizardo: I will try to burn that image... and then I have to go pickup my gf. Will you be around here say in an hour as well? | 21:35 |
| pawky | jonni: lizardo: because your tips are quite a bit beyond my knowledge level to say the least.. ;-) | 21:35 |
| jonni | most likely, atleast not going to sleep atleast for 3 hours | 21:35 |
| jonni | but didn't -c tell anything about current version, or does the paste fail before that? | 21:36 |
| pawky | jonni: great to hear... i believe that vanilla firmware will to the trick.. but one never knows... | 21:36 |
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| lizardo | pawky: not sure I will be here, but the only thing i had to add is that the image file name (esp. for the _PRD_signed.bin suffix) looks odd, and even more strange is that cold flash didn't work with it , meaning it may be somehow incomplete. The OEM image would be a good choice | 21:38 |
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| pawky | lizardo: I do agree.. but that was one of the file i got using NaviFirm... I didn't dare questioning it.. expanding using -u and that -h might also be interesting if the OEM won't cut it... | 21:39 |
| pawky | The file had about the same size as an old image for my returned phone.. so it looked legitimate enough being 1.1gb.. | 21:40 |
| jonni | pawky: sometimes those downloads are corrupted, so redownloading might do the trick | 21:40 |
| jonni | is it also says downgrade disallowed if bin file is corrupted | 21:40 |
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| pawky | jonni: I was starting to think about that as an option as well.. even though corrupt files are quite rare these days.. | 21:41 |
| jonni | atleast in this channel quit many people have had corrupted bin | 21:41 |
| pawky | I can imagine a corrupt file could create downgrade disallowed.. | 21:41 |
| jonni | thats why people have pasted md5sums of the bin so people can check | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Diddn't more recent ones check? | 21:42 |
| pawky | well.. Nokia made som official web page for these downloads one could avoid having to use NaviFirm on a dedicated Windows machine.. | 21:42 |
| pawky | maybe MD5 would do the trick confirming the files.. | 21:43 |
| frals | running version are you running and what are you trying to flash? | 21:43 |
| jonni | and ofcourse you can try NSU and pc suite on windows to flash the device. | 21:43 |
| pawky | jonni: huh... never ever... | 21:44 |
| pawky | I am happy with linux... | 21:44 |
| pawky | OK.. have to run.. will be back in 30 minutes :-) | 21:44 |
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| jonni | heh, well I'm not limited to one OS, some things are easier to do with Mac, some with Linux and some with win. | 21:47 |
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| faenil | is there anyone online? | 22:27 |
| faenil | got some problem with qml :P | 22:27 |
| kralor | faenil: #qt ? | 22:27 |
| faenil | already written there | 22:27 |
| faenil | and in qt-qml | 22:27 |
| faenil | anyway, really simple problem: I've got a Rectangle{} and a QDeclItem, let's call it Bye{} | 22:30 |
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| faenil | My code is Rectangle { Bye{} } | 22:30 |
| faenil | now, why is the rectangle always drawn over my Bye? | 22:30 |
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| faenil | if anyone know why, please let me know, I have tried some things, but nothing helped | 22:32 |
| faenil | ok solved, I had accidentally commented out beginNativePainting() | 22:35 |
| pawky | jonni: That OEM flash gives the same error 10 cannot downgrade. | 22:36 |
| kralor | guys is there any way to force nokia software updater to apply the update ? | 22:40 |
| pawky | kralor: que? | 22:41 |
| kralor | well my device is up to date, but I need to apply it again | 22:41 |
| pawky | kralor: why? | 22:41 |
| kralor | actually I have a 'Device not working properly' now | 22:41 |
| pawky | bkralor: because? | 22:42 |
| kralor | Security problem (pulseaudio): /usr/local/lib/libltdl.so.7.3.0 | 22:42 |
| pawky | kralor: tampered with aegis have you?.... | 22:42 |
| pawky | you need to reflash the unit at worst.. | 22:42 |
| kralor | well I compiled/installed some stuff | 22:42 |
| pawky | kralor: not a to good thing to do if not runing openmode kernel... | 22:43 |
| pawky | kralor: thus if you reversed your doings and that wont solve your issue a nice firmware reflash, stock kernel might do the trick.. | 22:44 |
| pawky | pawky: you might also be able to get arountd the problem by just replace the kernel.... | 22:44 |
| kralor | well I can't do anything now | 22:45 |
| kralor | I can't login | 22:45 |
| kralor | I just need "Nokia Software Updater" to launch the update procedure | 22:46 |
| pawky | kralor: well.. flashing you do from command line.. | 22:46 |
| * kralor wants a "force update" in Nokia Software Updater | 22:47 | |
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| frals | pawky: what version did you have installed and what image are you trying to flash? | 22:48 |
| pawky | frals: trying to flash the same firmware thats on the phone 40-4 | 22:48 |
| frals | whats the exact versoin string you had before flashing and exact filename you are trying to flash? | 22:48 |
| pawky | should be in the back log... hold.. | 22:49 |
| pawky | frals: earlier I tried this one:DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.2_PR_LEGACY_339_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kralor: NSU can not reflash same version. That's known | 22:50 |
| pawky | frals: but now also DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sometimes legacy info is helpful? | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~flash | 22:50 |
| infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:50 |
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| frals | pawky: and what version did your device have before you started to attempt the flashing? | 22:52 |
| pawky | frals: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/171347 http://paste.scsys.co.uk/171348 | 22:52 |
| pawky | frals: (got it on another computer.. hold) | 22:52 |
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| Appiah | is there a bug tracker for apps in apps.formeego.org ? | 22:53 |
| pawky | frals: this is whats on it DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4_PR_001 | 22:53 |
| pawky | frals: Thus I would say, pretty much the same... | 22:53 |
| frals | pawky: thats what "about product" said when it was working? | 22:54 |
| pawky | frals: except for me having also installed the openmode kernel by --flash-only=kernel | 22:54 |
| pawky | frals: yes... as far as I know.. I haven't changed it except for changing the kernel... | 22:54 |
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| frals | where did you get your device from? | 22:54 |
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| frals | ie a store or from nokia as a dev device? | 22:55 |
| pawky | frals: from store... | 22:55 |
| frals | so you probably did not have 20.2011.40-4_PR_001 then | 22:55 |
| pawky | frals: well... I did.. | 22:56 |
| frals | which country, out of curiosity? | 22:56 |
| pawky | frals: this phone is a 64GB swedish | 22:56 |
| pawky | pawky: I did check things when wanting to change kernel.. thats why I know its a 40-4 | 22:56 |
| pawky | (wow... i just spoke to myself...) | 22:56 |
| frals | well 40-4 i dont doubt, i do however doubt it didnt have some extra numbers at the end | 22:57 |
| pawky | frals: what number do you need? | 22:57 |
| frals | well if it said smth like 40-4.249 or smth like that | 22:57 |
| frals | which retailer did you get it from in .se, or was it some operator store? | 22:58 |
| pawky | its a 339 i presume | 22:58 |
| pawky | frals: dustin | 22:58 |
| frals | ok | 22:58 |
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| pawky | directly from Nokia more or less.. | 22:58 |
| frals | do you still have the terminal log from when you tried the first flash? | 22:58 |
| pawky | its a059L7N7 | 22:59 |
| pawky | no.. that was a few days ago... :-( | 22:59 |
| frals | anyway, if it was 339 then the 40-4_PR_LEGACY flashing will fail for sure since its considered downgrade | 22:59 |
| frals | IF it was 339.2 then DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.2_PR_LEGACY_339_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin should probably work, based on the filename | 23:00 |
| pawky | frals: nope... that doesn't work.. check paste.. | 23:00 |
| BluesLee | hello, i am trying to build an existing qt project for harmattan but i have two issue. i modified the ui dimensions to geometry 480x854, its okay on the desktop but not on the n9, there its again landscape mode | 23:00 |
| pawky | frals: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/171348 | 23:01 |
| frals | yeah... never seen it bail out that early on a failed flash for me | 23:01 |
| pawky | frals: me neither ;-) | 23:01 |
| frals | what cmdline did you use there? | 23:01 |
| pawky | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/171349 | 23:01 |
| pawky | thats one of them... | 23:02 |
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| frals | try just flasher -F DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.2_PR_LEGACY_339_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin -f | 23:03 |
| frals | not that its likely to make a difference | 23:03 |
| pawky | frals: that will not work.. | 23:03 |
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| pawky | frals: it will then complain it needs an image.. hold and i check the error message.. | 23:04 |
| frals | uh | 23:04 |
| frals | sounds like your file is busted in that case | 23:04 |
| pawky | do you have it?.... | 23:04 |
| pawky | frals: to do an MD5 upon? | 23:04 |
| frals | nope, sorry | 23:04 |
| pawky | frals: ok.. ill give it another download try then, but I presume I will end up with the same error... | 23:05 |
| frals | if its a proper image it should accept it afaik | 23:05 |
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| pawky | frals: I fully agree upon that, except for it not working on my phone... :-( | 23:07 |
| jonni | so -c with vanilla also complained about 1st image? | 23:09 |
| pawky | jonni: jupp.. :-( | 23:09 |
| pawky | *double checking -c * | 23:10 |
| pawky | lets see... | 23:10 |
| pawky | doing something... | 23:10 |
| pawky | give some ASIC IDs... | 23:12 |
| pawky | and error Status 10 | 23:12 |
| pawky | :-( | 23:12 |
| jonni | it should also tell the current sw version in the paste | 23:12 |
| pawky | yes.. it was a stripped down reply ;-) | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | error status 10 is worthless, the 'downgrade frobidden' is relevant | 23:13 |
| pawky | it tells its that 20.2011.40-4_PR_001 | 23:13 |
| jonni | but if it doesnt complain about 1st then its atleast in there, then you can try -F yournormal339variant -a 40-4vanilla -c | 23:13 |
| pawky | *trying* | 23:14 |
| pawky | "please supply 1st image OR specifa hardware type" | 23:15 |
| pawky | i am also in parallel downloading the 339 bin again.. | 23:16 |
| pawky | jonni: do you have that file to do a MD5 upon? | 23:16 |
| jonni | then most likely your bricked your device with that signature.bin... but hopefullly that redownload 339 will solve your problem. sorry I only have md5 of vanilla, since I only use vanilla bins myself | 23:17 |
| pawky | jonni: bricked...as in... there is no way out of it??? | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't mess with certs via flasher! | 23:21 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: geee thanks.. | 23:21 |
| pawky | can't really say I do.... | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | those are the certs that are stored in TPM or cmt, and you actually can irrecoverably brick the device by messing with those | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually some Nokians bricked theirs this way, and had to "send them in" for repair | 23:22 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: but I haven't done anything with any certs.. | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | good | 23:22 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: even though it seems complaining about the certs when flashing.. | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's hope that *signature.bin wasn't implicitly doing sth with certs | 23:23 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: how would you be able to mess with those certs in the first place? | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | due to complete lack of documentation from Nokia regarding all the flashing, it's a highly obscure topic that obviously nobody understands completely in all aspects | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a --option in flasher | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | --store-cert or sth | 23:24 |
| jonni | in theory you cannot brick the device, as reflashing same version always should work, unless you manage to screw up the 'current version' string from flash | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: nuking your certs WILL brick permanently | 23:25 |
| pawky | jonni: how about that arabian.. .44.2 stuff?... could that be my saviour? | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you could get a new cert file from Nokia to install it | 23:25 |
| jonni | so hopefully redownloaded bin just works | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: NO! I *strongly* discourrage you to flash any 44 version | 23:26 |
| jonni | well yes 44-2 shouldnt complain about downgrade, but that bin is really not meant for europe | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and NO way to revert to 40-4 then | 23:26 |
| jonni | you really should try 40-4 as long as you can | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | cause THAT is really downgrade which is forbidden | 23:26 |
| pawky | now why is a downgrade so blody forbidden in the first place? who cares if someone wants to use an older firmware... | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia platsec gets nightmares on that | 23:28 |
| jonni | fcc and operator requirement | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | they roll out new fw versions to fix vulnerabilities | 23:28 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: Well... i get a nightmare out of this... | 23:28 |
| pawky | jonni: so.. retry with that first 339 firmware and thats pretty much it?... | 23:28 |
| jonni | pretty much, if vanilla or your region 339 doesnt work, then its care time, or waiting for pr1.2 | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | FCC requirement??? WTF?! | 23:29 |
| pawky | jonni: they will shoot me... it took me 1 month to make them change my other phone.. | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pawky: a) nokia care *loves* to help customers who got fscked by insane platsec restrictions and already spent days trying to help themselves out of the misery. b) it's only a reflash for them ;-D | 23:32 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: but if they can reflash, then so should I | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | unclear, as all around flashing | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing N9 I have to say | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing N900 is pretty much completely understood, well maybe 90% | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing N950 is at least officially documented and supported | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing N9 is officially inexistent, it seems | 23:35 |
| pawky | jonni: no... the files are the same.. and the new file give the same downgrade error.. :-( | 23:37 |
| frals | my personal speculation is that the reason n9 flashing is not "supported" is due to the different variants and the way you cant "downgrade" between them | 23:37 |
| frals | which would be horrible for any support person to try to explain to an end user | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: on N950 we had to resort to tricks like using previous version flasher with recent image, changing flasher cmdline parameters to make eMMC erasing work at all, etc. I guess for N9 there should be similar "tricks", just it's even less documented at all, and not even the images are "officially" available | 23:37 |
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| cos^ | anyone noticed bug that N9(50) drive application crashes when zooming out? | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: so it's up to support then to rather flash for user than to explain to user ;-D | 23:38 |
| pawky | cos^: no.. | 23:38 |
| cos^ | i hope it's not just mine | 23:38 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer: a lot easier to do probably | 23:39 |
| frals | ;p | 23:39 |
| cos^ | first time i actually tried to use the drive app.. it worked pretty well except the crashing part | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, and those lazy 1st level helpdesk dudes need some kick anyway XD | 23:39 |
| pawky | so... any tip to use another flasher version??? | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | you already tried vanilla version? European version, whatnot else version? | 23:40 |
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| frals | where are you downloading these images from btw? | 23:41 |
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| pawky | NaviFirm.. thus Nokia.. | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | from Nokia fileserver, where else? | 23:41 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: I have tried the correct version for my phone yes.. | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | just that fileserver is a MESS | 23:41 |
| frals | fuck do i know, last i heard was from chinese website so :p | 23:41 |
| pawky | The Swedish version for 64GB | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: did I ask that? | 23:42 |
| ieatlint | here, i've got the latest 52-3 build that i'll send out to people | 23:42 |
| frals | pawky: "Swedish 64gb" doesnt automagically mean you have the right image since operators have customized images afaik | 23:42 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: I have not tried the whatnot else version no.... as I wouldn't know where to start.. and cannot really see the point.. | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just can assume that means you have NOT tried the generic Nokia version, the EU version... | 23:42 |
| pawky | frals: true.. but this is not an operator phone.. | 23:43 |
| pawky | its bought directly from the distributor, without any operator.. | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: EH??? | 23:43 |
| frals | yeah, but i think even those doesnt have vanilla image since they are customized for scandinavia market | 23:43 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer: also known as throwing out random number string to impress people.. for some reason | 23:44 |
| pawky | frals: I have downloaded the one for my 059L7N6 ... | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: fine for you that you know so exactly what'S the firmware on your phone. Alas it doesn't give any of us here a clue how to help you | 23:44 |
| ieatlint | :P | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: gathered as much | 23:45 |
| ieatlint | yeah, it's got a built in open-mode even | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | not exactly helpful when somebody is really watching the shit hit the fan | 23:45 |
| frals | pawky: and i assume you know what 059L7N6 means? | 23:45 |
| ieatlint | i'm also probably a chronic liar though | 23:45 |
| pawky | frals: well.. as far as I know for what market and what type of phone it is.. | 23:46 |
| frals | pawky: where did you find this information? 0:} | 23:46 |
| pawky | frals: well.. if look on the SIM card holder you can see these numbers... | 23:46 |
| ieatlint | standard nokia product codes | 23:46 |
| pawky | frals: but I assume you mean my interpretation of it.. | 23:47 |
| pawky | ieatlint: for different markets I assume.. which might have different firmwares... | 23:47 |
| pawky | or extra goodies.. | 23:47 |
| frals | pawky: yes, i was curious how you made the jump to "market and type of phone", especially the first part | 23:48 |
| pawky | So.. have we come to the conclusion I have succeeded to brick my unbrickable phone.. that should always be able to flashed back to stock??? | 23:48 |
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| frals | who said its always flashable back to stock? | 23:48 |
| frals | that person should stop saying that :p | 23:48 |
| pawky | frals: well.. looking upon different variants on NaviFirm I believe one could find some correlation to number and country etc.. | 23:48 |
| ieatlint | pawky: the images are the same for the n9 i think actually | 23:49 |
| pawky | frals: somehow i got that impression talking to people here regarding start using the openmode kernel.. | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: he made that jump by guidance of an underground hacker tool called navifirm | 23:49 |
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| ieatlint | except in this arabian one to add arabic case | 23:49 |
| frals | pawky: well, i wouldnt do that | 23:49 |
| pawky | ieatlint: then how come mine suddenly believes I am flashing an older version | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: please, we already been there 5 times today already | 23:50 |
| ieatlint | haha | 23:50 |
| ieatlint | sorry | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: we came to the conclusion that you refuse to accept reasonable advice, as you think you know better | 23:50 |
| ieatlint | pawky: you sure that says 059L7N6? | 23:51 |
| pawky | yes... | 23:51 |
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| pawky | as its a swedish phone... its 64GB,black and all... and its bought in Sweden... from a Swedish distributor... | 23:51 |
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| pawky | and its the numbers I can read on the SIM card holder.. | 23:52 |
| ieatlint | yeah, just got confused by something | 23:53 |
| ieatlint | nm | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it doesn't work | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so whom you gonna blame now? Nokia? navifirm? us? | 23:53 |
| frals | pawky: go to nokia care, and in the future stay away from using unofficial tools to mess with your device :) | 23:54 |
| ieatlint | i'd suggest me | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggested to try flashing vanilla | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aka *NDT* iirc | 23:54 |
| ieatlint | i generally like taking the blame for ruining electronics, and am used to being blamed for things | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | very helpful | 23:55 |
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| pawky | DocScrutinizer: But I tried the vanilla as well.. | 23:56 |
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| pawky | frals: one shoudl stay away from items that doesn't accept downgrades maybe... | 23:56 |
| frals | pawky: yeah, maybe that | 23:57 |
| jonni | or try with windows NSU, since it migt autodetect the problems and reflash the fix :) | 23:57 |
| pawky | jonni: ok.. i can do that but NSU i believ wants the phone to be up and running.. right? | 23:58 |
| jonni | afaik it doesnt need to be up and running, just long powerpressed | 23:58 |
| tomma | have you flashed some custom firmware there which has never version flag or something? | 23:58 |
| pawky | tomma: The funny thing is I haven't... I only changed the kernel to openmode | 23:59 |
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