| DocScrutinizer | so the same mechanisn is delivering different keys in the same way, for open and secure mode | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just to get my image of the world sorted | 00:00 |
| jonni | tpm is checking the the mode in trusted side, and kernel/userspace cannot affect on that, its set in nolo level or so on what mode device has booted up in. | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, I know that | 00:02 |
| jonni | only way to get around it would be finding the signing key for rd certificate as that can be written into flash from userspace, but signature of that cert if checked inside tpm, and that is device specific signature. | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm just interested if there is special code dealing with openmode somewhere in kernel, or for kernel the whole thing is completely transparent | 00:03 |
| jonni | its transparent for the kernel | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: btw I heard Nokia will use NovaThor for next gen winPhones :-D That's my daily business to deliver this chipset to you | 00:05 |
| PaulePanter | Just a paranoid question. On the SIM slider there is 059L698, but on NaviFirm+ there is just 059L6B8. B instead of 9. | 00:06 |
| jonni | DocScrutinizer: no idea, I havent even seen win phone yet :) | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 00:06 |
| PaulePanter | I guess this is still different and not compatible. | 00:06 |
| jonni | DocScrutinizer: I should be getting lumia in early next year | 00:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer holds a hooker800 under jonni 's nose | 00:06 | |
| PaulePanter | 059L6*B*8 is Country Variant Arab Emirates so I guess it is not the one I am looking for. :/ | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | terribly useless device ;-D Not even mass storage, so without a windoze box runing this zune crap you can put it in your bottom drawer | 00:08 |
| PaulePanter | I guess I have to look at older releases. | 00:08 |
| PaulePanter | I found the correct ID in the list for release 20.2011.40.4. | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | which happens to be the most recent official release | 00:09 |
| PaulePanter | So to sum it up, it was not a typo and 059L698 and 059L6B8 are different. | 00:09 |
| PaulePanter | DocScrutinizer: It also shows 22.2011.44.2 | 00:09 |
| PaulePanter | But just not my model. | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, semi-'leaked' by 'accident' | 00:10 |
| merlin1991 | according to http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2011/12/21/font-change-part-2-playing-with-the-line-height not semi leaked | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | only for china and arab locales afaik | 00:10 |
| merlin1991 | middle east and africa | 00:10 |
| jonni | thats not leaked, | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | semi | 00:10 |
| jonni | 20.2011 == PR1.1, 22.2011 == PR1.1.1, both are official | 00:11 |
| jonni | PR1.1.1 is only in asian market | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably Nokia was short of a bugfix version for those nations | 00:11 |
| PaulePanter | I see. Thanks for the clarification. | 00:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs in relief that nobody starts bitching in this chan when we talk about that :-D | 00:12 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonni: so what's the "official" tale about changing locale? Is it supposed to work to flash e.g. Norway firmware to an australian device? | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | (assuming we're not trying to "downgrade" from pr1.1.1 to pr1.1, which probably is "not allowed") | 00:15 |
| jonni | downgrade is blocked if your device doesnt have rd cert, only rd cert devices can be downgraded | 00:16 |
| frals | changing locale is fine as long as you dont try a downgrade | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, I said we won'T discuss this special case | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | many thanks :-) | 00:17 |
| jonni | but otherwise hardware is the same so in theory you can flash any locale to device, but warranty might be lost :) | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | any flashing vids waranty | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | voids | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | in theory | 00:17 |
| frals | otoh unless its done during a 1.0->1.1 or 1.1->1.2 to upgrade its unlikely to work in both directions | 00:18 |
| jonni | and on some regions there are differences in cmt side, due to legislation, so you might screw your cellular, if you flash full image | 00:18 |
| frals | since one of the variants probably have a newer timestamp on cmt | 00:18 |
| frals | but thats just my speculating | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | bottomline: it's risky either way | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: is there info available on the general nature of those differences in GSM/3G specs? | 00:20 |
| jonni | DocScrutinizer: not that I know of | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | how a modem has to behave different in country A vs country B, when both use same bands | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems to me N900 US cmt was different | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | to global | 00:22 |
| jonni | its like wifi, that us US it can only use limited numbers of channels | 00:22 |
| jonni | us=in | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, so they still not got that sorted, even for globally specified bands? | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart USA & FCC | 00:23 |
| * infobot whips out a sword and chops USA & FCC in half | 00:23 | |
| kimju | and in practice, no-one really notices nor cares if you bring phone from some other country for your personal use. | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, as the phone will only TX on the freq the BTS tells it to use | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my new job has real potential to get funny | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp when they continue to do same such weird things on LTE | 00:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer makes a mental note to find out if NovaThor has same nice zeroclock and semi-automatic finegrained power savings technology as OMAP SmartReflex | 00:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | next year :-D | 00:29 |
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| gabriel9 | i have page, and in that page custom component header which is rectangle. When i click it can i acess some variable from page component, or PageStackWindow | 00:50 |
| PaulePanter | Is there a recommended Instant Messenger packaged in Harmattan? | 00:50 |
| PaulePanter | Unfortunately I need MSN support. | 00:50 |
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| PaulePanter | I would have used Empathy since the Telepathy packages seem to be available. | 00:51 |
| gabriel9 | there is some guidelines for MSN on talk.maemo.org | 00:51 |
| PaulePanter | But Empathy is not in the repositories. | 00:51 |
| PaulePanter | gabriel9: Thanks. I found <http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80687&highlight=msn>. | 00:54 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 00:54 |
| PaulePanter | gabriel9: But trying that some hours ago libpurple had size 0 KB – when clicking on the deb file to install it – it did not progress and rebooting the phone it does not work anymore and I am in the process of reflashing it. :( | 00:55 |
| gabriel9 | ask some on the forum | 00:56 |
| PaulePanter | At least the installation dialog showed 0 KB. | 00:56 |
| gabriel9 | they are willing to help | 00:56 |
| gabriel9 | i really don't know anything about MSN suport | 00:56 |
| gabriel9 | i'm not using it | 00:57 |
| PaulePanter | gabriel9: After having the N9 reflashed I might be doing that. | 00:57 |
| PaulePanter | gabriel9: Thanks. | 00:57 |
| gabriel9 | np | 00:57 |
| gabriel9 | how to remove rounded corners from textarea? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | PaulePanter: libpurple probably had size 0 because all was already installed? | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | so 0k *additional* size required | 01:11 |
| jonni | PaulePanter: or use irssi & bitlebee combination for msn | 01:14 |
| rwhitby | DocScrutinizer, pawky, PaulePanter: Linux users can download firmware from http://www.btusers.com.ar/nan/nokia/?productsid=4823499691&display=sel | 01:14 |
| pawky | rwhitby: looks good, links are going to Nokia so no fuzz there :-) | 01:17 |
| rwhitby | yes | 01:17 |
| rwhitby | I would not trust anything else | 01:17 |
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| pawky | rwhitby: exactly | 01:18 |
| * rwhitby got an N9 from rkerris, who used to run webOS dev relations, and now runs nokia dev relations | 01:18 | |
| pawky | This is odd, I took away that stuff in the aegisfs.conf file and still it seems to mount the aegisfs stuff... WTF???? | 01:19 |
| pawky | PaulePanter: have you looked at cutIM ?... | 01:21 |
| pawky | rwhitby: the question is, how long these links will be maintained?... | 01:22 |
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| PaulePanter | Reflashing following <http://blog.makesyouhappy.org/?p=202> worked like a charm! | 01:30 |
| PaulePanter | I used `DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.299.5_PR_LEGACY_299_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin` and now everything I had installed before (KTouch and libpurple) is gone which is expected. | 01:31 |
| PaulePanter | My files remained. So I can sleep well now and tomorrow I will take another step at trying to install additional packages! | 01:32 |
| PaulePanter | Thanks and good night! | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | rwhitby: thanks :-D | 01:35 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: as far as I can interpret Nokias warning sine actually flashing your unit back to its original firmware will maintain warranty, and I believe as Nokia has no specific way to prove wether you did it directly or if you went out on a strawl meanwhile, a unit with its original firmware is a unit with warranty. :-) | 01:36 |
| pawky | d/sine/sign/ | 01:37 |
| pawky | f! | 01:37 |
| pawky | (well you all get the drift anyway..) | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | not entirely clear, rumour has it that there's a bit toggled somewhere in flash when you ever run sth with that waranty warning popping up | 01:38 |
| pawky | yes, but it clearly states that if you want to keep your warranty you have to "imediately" reflash it with the stock firmware :-) | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | but even if that's true, I bet Nokia won't check, unless the defect is obviously related to e.g. overclocking or burning display with wrong control parameters or sth | 01:39 |
| pawky | true.. | 01:39 |
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| PaulePanter | pawky: Regarding cutIM do you have a link? | 01:42 |
| PaulePanter | Googling »cutim instant messenger« did not find anything useful. | 01:42 |
| pawky | PaulePanter: found it on the Market... again, it looked good and I presume it might do what you want.. but hold I can check.. | 01:42 |
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| pawky | nope.. no MSN.. :-( | 01:43 |
| PaulePanter | pawky: I see. Thank you for your help! | 01:44 |
| PaulePanter | I will do more trials/tests tomorrow. | 01:44 |
| PaulePanter | Good night! | 01:44 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: how has things gone this evening, any news regarding removing aegisfs? | 01:54 |
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| pawky | hell yeah, it works! | 02:09 |
| pawky | Maybe my lame hacker attempts will not be approved by the lot here. But this is my results getting this N9 thingy to remember my E-mail stuff again: | 02:10 |
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| pawky | first I changed the /etc/aegisfs.conf file and removed the line saying what conf files do read in /etc/aegisfs.d, well that didn't do much.. So I continued into /etc/aegisfs.d and removed the file signon-private.conf | 02:18 |
| pawky | after rebooting, i can suddenly enter /home/user/.signon/private and happily do a cat /home/user/.signon/private/signon.db happily showing all my passwords and what have you just as if they would be in a sqlite database :-D | 02:20 |
| pawky | and, after rebooting... voila! it will still remember your good old clear text passwords in your signon.db file :-) | 02:20 |
| RzR | http://identi.ca/group/n950club | 02:21 |
| pawky | what?... you already knew about this? | 02:21 |
| RzR | http://rzr.online.fr/q/webbrowser# just published !HarmattaN #DeB of helium-mobile-browser #Qt #WebKit (#HtmL5Test=226+1) for !N950Club #N9? | 02:22 |
| pawky | Thus, my conclusion is, one seems to be able to get access to that private directory under /home/user/.whateversubdir/private by removing its mount point under /etc/aegisfs.d | 02:26 |
| pawky | or access.. I presume it creates a new file... | 02:26 |
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| pawky | oh, yeah I didn't really delete the files but just moved the signon.private.conf file to the /root directory... I have no clue if it makes any difference, but just so you know... | 02:50 |
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| PaulePanter | Good morning. Although having set automatic update of the time, the clock is three minutes ahead. | 11:22 |
| PaulePanter | Is that a known problem or do I do something stupid? | 11:23 |
| SpeedEvil | PaulePanter: It's quite possible that your cellphone provider is broadcasting the wrong time | 11:25 |
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| merlin1991 | PaulePanter: or not broadcasting it at all (that's the case here) | 11:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. Here too. | 11:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Instal openntpd | 11:33 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 11:33 |
| SpeedEvil | nvm - wring channel | 11:33 |
| PaulePanter | SpeedEvil: Thank. Why wrong channel? | 11:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Because I don't think openntpd is abailable on harmattan | 11:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know if it's possible to port it, I suspect it probably is. | 11:41 |
| kimju | does aegis allow running it? | 11:41 |
| SpeedEvil | The question is - does agis allow something else to fiddle with the time. | 11:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know that. | 11:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I can make arguments for why it shouldn't, but I don't know. | 11:42 |
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| PaulePanter | SpeedEvil: Thanks. | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: thanks | 12:01 |
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| wirwe | help | 14:13 |
| wirwe | sorry^^ | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | (auto-time) or you need to do a call, so your carrier sends time at all via GSM. Or maybe you simply want to disable auto-time and set it manually ;-D | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw I wonder if auto-time via GSM still fails miserably on roaming to another TZ | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never considered it a nice or sane thing to auto-adjust the time on my gadgets inadvertently when roaming TZs, it confuses a lot of things and also user | 14:45 |
| auenf | set up ntp instead? | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, this would be the better way if only your gadget had a stable always-online connectivity to internet | 14:46 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: Auto-time worked fine for me even while roaming, changed the TimeZone accordingly | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | for mobile devices with random occasional connectivity ntpd is utterly poorly suited | 14:47 |
| deram | running ntpdate on every connection established otherwise would be usable | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:48 |
| deram | and using cellular network timesignal for elimiunate drifting clock | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I frequently recommend | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget about drift, it's negligible | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp *never* use /etc/adjtime auto-drift-adjust mechanism of ntpd | 14:49 |
| deram | is it? I've seen very poor RTC:s in SOC based devices... | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | err of hwclock | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | deram: that'S usually not the RTC aka cmos-clock but rather the system time that lags behind due to missed IRQs or sth | 14:51 |
| deram | that might be true. | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's why it's a poor idea to spoil your RTC by adjusting it to a terribly off systime on shutdown and even write this unjustified "penalty" to etc/adjtime | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. never use hwclock --systohc in shutdown, always use --no-adjfile or what's the name of this parameter, and consider to augment your ntpdate call in ifup to look like "ntpdate && hwclock --systohc --no-adjfile" | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you'll never again worry about drift | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | usual RTC drift is <<10s per day | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for sure it's not constant drift | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but on stock HARM thanks to paegis there's just so much you can do about all this | 15:02 |
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| pawky | DocScrutinizer: could you try what I have achieved to confirm it actually works? :-) | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: I surely will, but not very soon | 15:17 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: The only thing you seem having to do is to move the file under /etc/aegisfs.d/singon-private.conf to somewhere else, and then recreate your accounts | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, understod. The point is I have no accounts basically. Mind that I don't use HARM devices as daily phone | 15:18 |
| pawky | Maybe someone else could try this in openmode. If it works one could go from stock to openmode without anything being erased (on still has to reconfigure and sync your E-mail accounts). | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I don't see that change anytime soon | 15:19 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well.. you could just create a hotmail address or a Nokia account :-) | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | but for sure "we" want to provide a proper openmode howto and maybe even pkg/script/whatever for regular users. You're more than welcome to contribute | 15:20 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well... I just need this confirmed from others as well first... | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course :-) | 15:21 |
| pawky | But to my knowledge more or less removing everything from /etc/aegisfs.d/ might also help eliminating other problems. Then again I just did some trial and error. Maybe others with a bit more in depth knowledge will oppose to this fix due to some reason. | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF? /etc/init.d almost empty, no /etc/events* at all... How does HARM system init work? | 15:25 |
| flux | /etc/init | 15:25 |
| RzR | if it maters i've copied openntp to my repo | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | RzR: \o/ | 15:31 |
| RzR | its building now | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: only *.conf in there? | 15:31 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: I believe it all starts with /etc/init.d/rcS... | 15:31 |
| flux | docscrutinizer, the configuration files for upstart? | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: no such thing .oO(???) | 15:32 |
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| flux | /sbin/init = upstart | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flux: ooh, indeed | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | .conf made me not even look into a file. Actually they are upstart files I searched for in /etc/events.d/* | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~curse upstart | 15:34 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, upstart ! | 15:34 |
| pawky | but what config file is /sbin/init using? | 15:38 |
| pawky | or, to be more correct where is the inittab? | 15:40 |
| flux | sprinkled in /etc/init/* | 15:40 |
| pawky | right... | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway hwclock invocations in /etc/init/timeconfig.conf are missing --noadjfile parameter, which makes me shudder | 15:46 |
| flux | you think it'll eat flash too fast because of that? | 15:48 |
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| flux | or that it's worthless to keep track of drift due to varying device temperatues? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | "keeping track of drift" by judging a pretty decent crystal based RTC by using a usually off systemclock as reference is a broken concept. And even if you would make sure your system time alsways is "better" than RTC's notion of time when you invoke hwclock, it's still amazingly complicated to get it right every single time, e.g. when roaming, when adjusting time manually, when adjusting for ecovery from complete messup due to battery | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | flat/removed or some runaway program messed with the RTC registers... Then you write some bogus crap values to adjfile to compensate for a "systematic" drift that's actually random and in the magnitude of hours/day. Have fun with recovering from that | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole concept of adjfile drift compensation is meant for servers only, which *never* get shutdown or lose connectivity to internet | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | try to get it right on a dualboot workstation ;-P | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd think it's even less suited for mobile devices with only random occasional connectivity to and stratum-N time source | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/and /any / | 16:01 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: I'd think it's even less suited for mobile devices with only random occasional connectivity to any stratum-N time source | 16:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2011-12-27 10:22:18] <PaulePanter> Good morning. Although having set automatic update of the time, the clock is three minutes ahead. [2011-12-27 10:25:41] <SpeedEvil> PaulePanter: It's quite possible that your cellphone provider is broadcasting the wrong time | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ---> adjtime "punishment" for RTC: 3min/day, for being correct while carrier's time broadcast is crap? great! | 16:07 |
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| auenf | will RDP make PR1.1 OTA arrive on my phone any quicker? :P | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: I usually replace /sbin/hwclock on all my boxes and devices with >>#!/bin/sh \n /sbin/hwclock.real --noadjfile "$@" << | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I also make sure I reset /etc/adjtime to read "0.0 0 0.0 \n 0 \n $tz" on every boot | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | just in case | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen standard distro installations on user PCs set system tome off by years, on every boot. Each time user adjusted time, just to find the skew being even larger on next boot -- bizarre! | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and this was *not* caused by a flat cmos battery or anything, just messup of etc/adjtime | 16:26 |
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| jussi | right, so I have a nice shiny n950, with development turned on. how do I apt-get install stuff from the terminal? seems I dont have rights... | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | develsh | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | might help | 16:31 |
| jussi | nope, sadly it doesnt. just continues to ask me about the lock file. | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | or devel-su, or both | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, lock file | 16:32 |
| jussi | hrm.... devel-su asks for a password? | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | err yes | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | your root password | 16:32 |
| jussi | Im sorry if Im coming across silly, just got this thing :) | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually rootme until you changed it | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | np :-D | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | we all asked those questions | 16:33 |
| jussi | ahh excellent :) | 16:33 |
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| jussi | ahh now it works :) | 16:34 |
| jussi | thanks DocScrutinizer | 16:35 |
| jussi | now to try get quassel2go installed... | 16:35 |
| jussi | :) | 16:35 |
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| RzR | jussi: is it in some apt feed ? | 16:45 |
| jussi | RzR: Im not absolutely sure - theres a maemo deb on Qt apps, but not seen it elsewhere | 16:46 |
| RzR | i can try to build that one | 16:47 |
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| RzR | https://gitorious.org/~sgiessl/quassel/quassel2go | 16:47 |
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| Lilltiger | Is there any RDP viewers for the N9, like rdesktop? | 16:49 |
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| jussi | RzR: Id really appreciate that - thanks! | 16:55 |
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| Lilltiger | got rdesktop to work.. but it seems like win7 is retarded and only allows one user at a time so it logs out my workstation | 17:37 |
| hiemanshu | Lilltiger: you need Windows Server or a license for multiple users IIRC | 17:41 |
| Lilltiger | guess ill go for VNC insted, windows is just getting worse and worse.. if only the games ran flawless in linux.. | 17:42 |
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| rcg | hmmz re | 17:43 |
| rcg | anyone experienced with qtmobility? | 17:43 |
| rcg | I keep getting errors about: "... error: 'QNearFieldTarget' has not been declared" etc. | 17:43 |
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| rcg | I include the appropriate header files and added the appropriate lines to the *.pro file | 17:43 |
| rcg | also the compiler command seems sane: "... -I/targets/HARMATTAN_ARMEL/usr/include/qt4/QtConnectivity ... -I/targets/HARMATTAN_ARMEL/usr/include/qt4/QtMobility ..." | 17:43 |
| rcg | sorry if this is send twice.. i just re-sent the whole shebang as i just got disconnected and dunno what was properly send... | 17:44 |
| rcg | furthermore the include files are at the respective paths and are getting processed | 17:45 |
| rcg | what could be the reason that it is not picking up the classes? | 17:45 |
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| rcg | ah well.. found it... missed "QTM_USE_NAMESPACE" in my header file... as mentioned there -> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?231064-QMessageService-has-not-been-declared | 17:51 |
| rcg | well.. that took me quite some time to figure out... | 17:51 |
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| merlin1991 | Lilltiger: ultravnc works nice on windoze | 18:00 |
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| Lilltiger | merlin1991, well i also need to find a vnc client that works well on the n9 :) | 18:13 |
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| Lilltiger | argh, I so hate aegis, it's so damn stupid it wont let me install another version of libjpeg62, that is a dep of the vncviewer.. | 18:39 |
| Lilltiger | the ppl behind aegis realy destroyed the N9 phone, I wish i could get a refound | 18:39 |
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| unreal- | Hum. I've just compiled a binary, and when I upload it to the n9, it runs, but has no access to the filesystem... aegis i guess ? | 19:12 |
| unreal- | is so, any way to give it access? | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~no-aegis | 19:27 |
| infobot | hmm... aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | unreal-: no access to fs is a bit fuzzy a statement | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | when I'm logged in as normal user to my PC, I also have "no access" to e.g. /etc/shadow | 19:29 |
| unreal- | DocScrutinizer: to be more precise, I've compiled ffmpeg, I run ffmpeg -i somefile.mpeg, and ffmpeg cannot open the file | 19:33 |
| unreal- | the unix rights are 644 on the file i'm trying to open | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | that should work | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's ls -l somefile.mpeg telling? | 19:35 |
| unreal- | ~ $ ls -l toto.mpeg | 19:35 |
| unreal- | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 17362185 Dec 27 17:50 toto.mpeg | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | so when ls can access it, your ffmpeg should as well | 19:36 |
| unreal- | well it can't | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the error msg? | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | (not that I would assume ffmpeg could run at all when not installed by Nokia, thanks aegis) | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | unreal-: ? | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ... please hold the line ... tuu taaa tooo ... please hold the line ... | 19:40 |
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| unreal- | DocScrutinizer: i was trying something ;) | 19:41 |
| unreal- | no error message, just: | 19:41 |
| unreal- | Stream #0:0[0x1c0], 0, 1/90000: Audio: mp2, 0 channels | 19:41 |
| unreal- | Stream #0:1[0x1e0], 0, 1/90000: Video: mpeg2video, 90k tbn | 19:41 |
| unreal- | with is incorrect, of course | 19:41 |
| unreal- | which | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm trying to get a shower, might actually succeed when given enough "free" time with no convo here | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | strace ffmpeg, I bet it can'T access *output* | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't see why it would fail on reading media file | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for audio, video, you may need special tokens you have to request from aegis, in ffmpeg manifest file that comes with dpkg. For video I doubt it could work at all - I.E. probably no such token existing to allow an app to playback video | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm jusat guessing though, please take all this with a grain of salt | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the video output method ffmpeg is using? | 19:46 |
| unreal- | it would seem as if the reported size of file is wrong | 19:46 |
| unreal- | ffmpeg seems to think the file is 262144 bytes | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, /dev/video* (if that'S maybe what ffmpeg uses for playback) is crw-rw---- 1 root video | 19:48 |
| unreal- | i'm not using video | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you probably need to be in group video to access it as user, or you need to be root and then you couldn't read your mediafile possibly | 19:49 |
| javispedro | moo | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo javispedro | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, user is actually in group video | 19:53 |
| javispedro | aeeeeeegiiiiiiiis | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 19:54 |
| javispedro | unless you have GRP:video or GID:video ... | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | GRP::video | 19:54 |
| javispedro | a quick lazy question: did anyone test if harmattan media player supports flac? | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),44(video),670(pulse-access),29999(users) | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | adm??? err | 19:55 |
| javispedro | as said aegis policy overrides that | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | GRP::adm | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | accli -I | 19:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels like he thoroughly hacked that 950 ;-P | 19:57 | |
| javispedro | nah, it's on mine, stock | 19:57 |
| javispedro | do a find / -gid adm to see how probably useless GRP::adm is | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | got blinded by the name | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, your take on running homegrown ffmpeg on HARM? | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | feasible, or not? | 19:59 |
| javispedro | of course | 19:59 |
| javispedro | cannot think why not atm... | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought it might want to access GFX-accel or anything like that | 19:59 |
| javispedro | what gfx accel | 19:59 |
| javispedro | ;P | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 20:00 |
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| javispedro | there's only omapfb, and if you were to hit it, you'd fight with Xorg | 20:00 |
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| dm8tbr | ffmpeg would be CPU only unless someone recently came up with some magic incantation to use dsp-link(?) from ffmpeg | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | unreal-: so don't blame aegis, this single time :-D | 20:01 |
| * javispedro reads logs and suggests strace indeed. | 20:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks :-D | 20:01 |
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| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, wich of the three ways, opensh || unpatched_openmode_kernel || openmode_kernel_PR1.1 would you recommend? | 20:22 |
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| RzR | jussi: here? | 20:31 |
| jussi | RzR: yep | 20:32 |
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| RzR | jussi: building that irc client you mentionned earlier | 20:32 |
| jussi | RzR: ahh! | 20:32 |
| RzR | did you install it ? | 20:32 |
| RzR | it just failed to build | 20:33 |
| jussi | I tried, but it would not install. | 20:33 |
| RzR | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=quassel2go&project=home%3Arzr&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 20:33 |
| RzR | let me fix it | 20:33 |
| jussi | had a dependency issue | 20:33 |
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| jussi | RzR: Says: Can't install. Unable to trace installation package dependencies | 20:36 |
| * javispedro rofls | 20:37 | |
| jussi | javispedro: ? | 20:37 |
| javispedro | jussi: ah sorry, not about your conversation | 20:37 |
| jussi | javispedro: ahh fair enough :) | 20:38 |
| RzR | watching the cartoons ? | 20:38 |
| javispedro | Jaffa ranting about storing contacts in Tracker | 20:38 |
| javispedro | (in twitter) | 20:38 |
| javispedro | when on desktop summit I remember there was a session titled | 20:38 |
| RzR | identi.ca freedom haters ! | 20:38 |
| javispedro | "Call us crazy, but yes, we _store_ contacts in tracker" | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: openmode_patched | 20:38 |
| javispedro | (verbatim) | 20:38 |
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| jussi | btw, can anyone recommend a decent mail app? the default one is rubbish, no mass selection, no threading for gmail etc. Ideally, Id want something I can use my multiple gmail accounts with. | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: BWAHAHAAAHAAAAA | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd like to use other terms than "crazy" | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and ~lart tracker | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart tracker | 20:41 |
| * infobot throws tracker's poor little doggy off a cliff | 20:41 | |
| kralor | hi | 20:41 |
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| * DocScrutinizer trows tracker on the poor little doggy mush at foot of the cliff | 20:42 | |
| Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer, so I need to set up a n9 dev environment and compile the kernel myself, then flash that kernel on too my n9, right? (cant find any instructions) | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | sigh | 20:42 |
| Lilltiger | ohh | 20:43 |
| Lilltiger | haha | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/H_E_N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/zImage-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 | 20:43 |
| Lilltiger | i just read that line | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/H_E_N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/succeeding-session-log.txt | 20:44 |
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| Lilltiger | and boy, i feel stupid now | 20:44 |
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| kralor | RzR: hey, any luck with aircrack-ng ? | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on N9?? on AEGIS?? you're dreaming, are you? | 20:45 |
| RzR | kralor: i did built it | 20:46 |
| RzR | kralor: but did not test | 20:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer figures how first k-line aegis policy ready */air* | 20:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | reads* | 20:46 |
| RzR | kralor: wanna install it ? | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd be highly surpeised to find the wlan kernel driver support any modes actually useful for airodump/aircrack | 20:48 |
| kralor | RzR: yep | 20:48 |
| RzR | it's said dump is easier than replay | 20:48 |
| kralor | you built it from sources without modifications ? | 20:48 |
| RzR | more or less yes | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, nevertheless the fremantle driver even failed on dump | 20:49 |
| kralor | and what about the nmap problem ? | 20:49 |
| RzR | did not investigate that one | 20:49 |
| jussi | RzR: is quassel2go horrible? or looks like a simple fix? | 20:49 |
| kralor | I'll check it then | 20:49 |
| * javispedro thinks the n950 speaker sounds way better than the lumia one, weird. | 20:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: 50ct cheaper | 20:50 |
| * RST38h moos at javispedro evilly | 20:50 | |
| javispedro | HELO RST38h | 20:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns evilly | 20:51 | |
| RST38h | javispedro: any cool hacking? =) | 20:51 |
| RzR | i have no fake n9 and i donno what will i do of it if i can get one | 20:52 |
| RzR | poisoned gift ? | 20:52 |
| RST38h | RzR: You will create a repository for open source C# software! | 20:52 |
| javispedro | RST38h: yeah, trying to see if I can integrate fmradio into the builtin music player somehow, Lumua-style =) | 20:53 |
| RzR | reimplement all cygwin in c# | 20:53 |
| tomma | yeah... which cant be installed to phone unless you pay microsoft... and even then you can have only 7 of them installed | 20:53 |
| RST38h | javispedro: ! | 20:53 |
| RzR | i have a vouncher of ms | 20:53 |
| RzR | for their store | 20:53 |
| RST38h | javispedro: What I would really love is subtitles though | 20:53 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: There is a third party video playerthat is supposed to do subtitles, but it dies on most subs files | 20:54 |
| RzR | i think it will try to create html5 demos | 20:54 |
| javispedro | pft | 20:54 |
| RST38h | The whole thing is still gstreamer, isn't it? | 20:54 |
| RzR | but i think they refuse to ship webview apps | 20:54 |
| javispedro | yeah | 20:54 |
| javispedro | RST38h: only mafw has changed somewhat | 20:54 |
| RST38h | Going to ask the guy responsible in a moment | 20:54 |
| javispedro | seems that tracker is now a hard dependency | 20:54 |
| RST38h | well...mmm... | 20:57 |
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| javispedro | so | 21:12 |
| javispedro | I can fake radio presets as songs on the media player | 21:12 |
| javispedro | looks kinda ugly though but it's one way to integrate it. | 21:12 |
| RST38h | javispedro: People-who-know are saying that additional gst modules can be added to harmattan,as long as DRM support is disabled | 21:16 |
| javispedro | it is exactly what I'd do | 21:16 |
| javispedro | insert a new gst element that plays radio, insert fake tracker entries that point to this new gst element | 21:16 |
| RST38h | Oh, almost forgotten about tracker | 21:16 |
| RST38h | Well, subs probably won't require the tracker part | 21:17 |
| javispedro | ah, subs | 21:17 |
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| javispedro | iirc there was a working subs implementation in fremantle | 21:17 |
| javispedro | it replaced mafw renderer | 21:17 |
| javispedro | this seems to be closed in harm... | 21:17 |
| RST38h | gst upstream has a separate module for subs | 21:18 |
| RST38h | that gets inserted after the render afaik | 21:18 |
| javispedro | so it would just be a problem of replacing the mafw renderer so that it uses that module :( | 21:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jabis: you still here? i thought you boought ipphone | 22:35 |
| RzR | jussi: ready to be tested now | 22:35 |
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| ZogG_laptop | RzR: can you build this - https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon-oauth2/commits/harmattan ? | 22:38 |
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| jussi | RzR: where can I find it? | 22:55 |
| jussi | RzR: sorry about the delay, I was in sauna :) | 22:57 |
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| gabriel9 | we need more examples for development | 23:26 |
| gabriel9 | now i can't create dialog | 23:26 |
| gabriel9 | something is wrong :/ | 23:26 |
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