| rcg | beford: http://wiki.meego.com/Porting_Fremantle_Applications_to_Harmattan | 00:04 |
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| rcg | you might give that one a try | 00:04 |
| beford | thanks going to check it rcg | 00:09 |
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| ajalkane | So Lumia 800 probably arriving tuesday. Is there any chance of hacking Mer to it? | 01:26 |
| dm8tbr | no | 01:26 |
| ajalkane | I mean, I do intend to use it as my main phone for 2 weeks to get some idea what's WP's at. | 01:26 |
| ajalkane | Ah too bad | 01:27 |
| dm8tbr | it's completely different hardware, and there are no drivers and it's most likely HS with locked down silicon | 01:27 |
| ajalkane | Yeah. Well, no big surprise. Would have been nice... | 01:28 |
| RzR | will all n950club get a fake e9 ? | 01:31 |
| ajalkane | RzR: seems so | 01:31 |
| RzR | well i can infirm this | 01:32 |
| ajalkane | But I have to say it's a really nice gift from Nokia. While I'm not into WP and this whole strategy, I do appreciate it. | 01:32 |
| RzR | what is the process you can a mail and then you purchase it ? | 01:33 |
| ajalkane | RzR: yeah you order it pretty much like you did with N950 | 01:33 |
| RzR | but they need to get your lp id by email 1st ? | 01:33 |
| RzR | I might have lost that email | 01:33 |
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| RzR | well i could live w/out | 01:34 |
| ajalkane | RzR: Yeah, at least for me they send an e-mail and I could only get it by following that e-mail | 01:34 |
| ajalkane | RzR: But yeah, I'm not "tingling with excitement" like I was with N950. It's just, it arrives when it arrives. Instead of clicking frantically on the delivery status to see where N950 is travelling. | 01:35 |
| ajalkane | I know I won't be developing for WP, but I'm willing to check what it's about as a user. | 01:36 |
| RzR | lets hope it will boot linux someday :) | 01:37 |
| ajalkane | RzR: yeah, for this christmas holidays, that's something to pray baby jesus for. Otherwise, I may use it as a phone when I go to cottage or some other accident-prone locations | 01:38 |
| RzR | when did you get that email ? | 01:38 |
| ajalkane | I got it last week. I think wednesday | 01:38 |
| ajalkane | And I know many other people got theirs the week before. So it seems also to be somewhat regional. | 01:39 |
| RzR | yes | 01:39 |
| RzR | you | 01:39 |
| RzR | you | 01:39 |
| RzR | are you in europe ? | 01:39 |
| ajalkane | I'm in Finland | 01:39 |
| RzR | ok they closer to nok | 01:40 |
| RzR | then | 01:40 |
| ajalkane | Hmm... I got it pretty fast after I wanted replacement N950. Dunno if it's correlated. | 01:40 |
| RzR | when i start mistyping this means its time to sleep :) | 01:40 |
| ajalkane | hehe | 01:40 |
| RzR | what happend to you n950 ? | 01:40 |
| ajalkane | RzR: a mass of dead pixels in the bottom | 01:40 |
| RzR | mine is ok and i dropped it twice | 01:41 |
| ajalkane | I wonder how many spare N950s they have | 01:41 |
| RzR | zillions | 01:41 |
| ajalkane | RzR: yeah I've treated it goldly. I don't know if it's the dropping temperatures in Finland or what caused it. | 01:42 |
| ajalkane | Just glad they gave me another one. | 01:42 |
| RzR | this is nice yes | 01:42 |
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| ajalkane | yes, say what you (and I) will about the current direction, there's some good people there. | 01:43 |
| RzR | well i donno i have mixed feelings | 01:44 |
| RzR | the device is so brillant | 01:44 |
| RzR | and the community so weak | 01:44 |
| RzR | this is not the expected story | 01:44 |
| RzR | i was ready to wait maybe 10 years to get a n950 | 01:44 |
| ajalkane | maybe it just needs time. I don't know how much the N9 has sold, but I gather it's sold pretty well. | 01:45 |
| RzR | built on freesoftware | 01:45 |
| RzR | and now we got it | 01:45 |
| ajalkane | great device. The first one I've been excited about since N95. | 01:45 |
| RzR | and the probablity to get an other linux phone soon is very low | 01:45 |
| RzR | so this is unclear | 01:46 |
| RzR | i donno if we should jump into the nemo project | 01:46 |
| ajalkane | Unfortunately. This is pretty much now or who knows when :(. And the latter seems more likely | 01:46 |
| ajalkane | There's no other viable project right now | 01:46 |
| RzR | or just try to help for support as for maemo | 01:46 |
| ajalkane | So at least I'm going to put my time for now into this and hope for the best | 01:47 |
| ajalkane | If it doesn't pan out, at least I've had fun, and I've learned new things. | 01:47 |
| RzR | today i feel i can help to make harmattan sw support as good as freemantle | 01:47 |
| RzR | yes there is no reason to switch to wp | 01:48 |
| ajalkane | that's good... N900 is still the gold-standard in many ways in community support | 01:48 |
| RzR | if only nokia sold n950 | 01:49 |
| ajalkane | Android is IMO the only viable alternative. It's the least worst of what's left if maemo is dropped for good | 01:49 |
| RzR | android is no altertive for me | 01:50 |
| RzR | i do some android devel some time to time | 01:50 |
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| ajalkane | Nothing is alternative to me as a development platform right now. But if I were to buy a new phone, it would be android unless N9 gets a successor. Or Tizen becomes something. | 01:51 |
| RzR | and i dont think it will bring us more freedom | 01:51 |
| RzR | n9 is a decent platform if you can of what google can not bring | 01:51 |
| RzR | if you care | 01:51 |
| ajalkane | yeah Maemo stands alone at the moment as a semi-mainstream Linux distribution based OS. | 01:52 |
| RzR | hey openmoko | 01:52 |
| ajalkane | hehe... it's not even semi. | 01:52 |
| ajalkane | Though I appreciate the effort. Too bad it didn't take off. | 01:52 |
| RzR | it did not crash neither | 01:53 |
| ajalkane | Can't say I have experience. Although I tried following what's happening with it, nothing seemed like something I wanted to purchase. | 01:54 |
| RzR | i can understand | 01:54 |
| RzR | so what does nokia expect from you to do w/ lumia ? | 01:58 |
| ajalkane | RzR: as far as I could see, nothing. It's a gift. If they expected development work, I would have refused it. | 01:59 |
| RzR | i will ask them to trade it for a spare n950 :) | 01:59 |
| ieatlint | yeah, the lumia is just a gift, but they're hoping you'll develop for it | 02:00 |
| ieatlint | not a chance they'll do that, RzR | 02:00 |
| ieatlint | if i had to guess, microsoft is paying for these lumia 800s being given out | 02:00 |
| ajalkane | If I could trade it for N9, I would. But I don't think that'd be possible. | 02:00 |
| ajalkane | N9 would be useful for some NFC stuff. | 02:01 |
| ieatlint | depends on what nfc stuff | 02:01 |
| ieatlint | nfc on pr1.1 is crippled | 02:01 |
| ajalkane | how is it crippled? | 02:02 |
| ieatlint | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/connectivity-api.html#nfc | 02:02 |
| ieatlint | namely, no tag type specific access... which means you can only do basic read/write ndef operations on ndef tags | 02:02 |
| ieatlint | (but you can't even do things like lock tags to be read-only) | 02:03 |
| RzR | have you looked at BB qnx platform ? | 02:03 |
| ieatlint | (or for that matter, detect how big a tag is before you try to write data to it) | 02:03 |
| ajalkane | ieatlint: okay... well, I probably would just need things like "this NFC tag here, do something if tapped near it". | 02:03 |
| arnet | besides, are n9 drivers available? so we can expect nemo port anyway. | 02:04 |
| ieatlint | ajalkane: ok, that's do-able | 02:04 |
| ieatlint | the only restriction you'd hit is if you wanted your app to make the tags read-only so others can't re-write them | 02:04 |
| ajalkane | I see. I wouldn't want such functionality for my app, but I do think such missing functionality in N9 API is quite bad | 02:06 |
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| ieatlint | well, there's always the chance it'll come in future software updates | 02:06 |
| ajalkane | Hopefully. But frankly all this NFC stuff is just play and games, little stuff, verssus the big stuff of payments that N9 can't support. | 02:07 |
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| ieatlint | what i'm sad about, is there are nfc transit cards here (like london oyster card) that allow anyone to read them -- so you can use an nfc enabled phone to tell you the balance on the card | 02:07 |
| ieatlint | there's an android app for it already | 02:07 |
| ajalkane | I dunno what Nokia thinks, but IMO all the play-and-games stuff follow the big payment stuff, not the other way around | 02:07 |
| ieatlint | and i can't do it for the n9, because you need tag type specific acces | 02:07 |
| ieatlint | (but it'd work for symbian, heh) | 02:08 |
| ajalkane | ah sucks | 02:08 |
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| ieatlint | but it'd be useful to use my phone to see my transit card balance :P | 02:08 |
| ieatlint | and if i had an android nfc phone, i can | 02:09 |
| ajalkane | Sure, that would be useful | 02:09 |
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| ajalkane | I dunno why Nokia only implemented some trivial stuff to N9 about NFC. Didn't they at all check what's up-and-coming real-life usage and just considered Angry Birds tapping stuff? :) | 02:09 |
| ieatlint | well, i'm also hoping something called SNEP appears in a future update | 02:10 |
| ieatlint | it'll allow exchanging things like vcard entirely by NFC | 02:10 |
| ieatlint | android's ice cream sandwich supports it, so it'd work cross-platform and be awesome | 02:11 |
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| pawky | How are things going with USB host mode on the N9? Has it been accomplished yet, or is aegis in the way as usual? | 04:57 |
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| Sazpaimon | still no proper RDP app for harmattan :( | 08:44 |
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| BluesLee | good morning | 10:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | morning | 11:42 |
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| BluesLee | do we have a dlna client for harmattan? | 15:06 |
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| thp | X-Fade: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/3783 | 15:38 |
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| thp | X-Fade: btw, do i need to remove the old version from the "source files" section when i upload a new one or can i keep it in there? | 15:39 |
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| PaulePanter | Hi everyone. On the N9 trying to install `kdepim-mobile` <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-mobile/2011-October/000478.html> and `libpurple0` <http://n9.indigoblack.de/> something screwed up and `halt`ing the phone and restarting it now only Nokia on a black background is shown. :( | 17:42 |
| PaulePanter | Is there a way to reset everything? I also forgot to make a back up of the original image. | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | reflash is it I guess | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~aegis | 17:45 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 17:45 |
| PaulePanter | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. I will take a look. | 17:45 |
| pawky | ok.. lets go fishing... anyone succeeded replace the kernel to openmode without having to flash the firmware as well? the --flash-only=kernel does not seem to work | 17:47 |
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| pawky | PaulePanter: does it reboot several times after a while, or is it just stuck? | 17:48 |
| pawky | s/several times// | 17:49 |
| infobot | pawky meant: PaulePanter: does it reboot after a while, or is it just stuck? | 17:49 |
| PaulePanter | pawky: It is just stuck. | 17:49 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: will not aegis give you an error on the screen, if something has buggered it? | 17:50 |
| PaulePanter | I issued `halt` and it powered down. Now it does not boot up at all. | 17:50 |
| pawky | PaulePanter: well.. it does what you asked it to... ;-) | 17:50 |
| PaulePanter | Hitting the power button it just vibrates once and then »Nokia« is displayed on a black screen. | 17:51 |
| kralor | guys do you know if aircrack-ng has been compiled for N9 ? | 17:51 |
| RzR | if only you could do a such think on fake n9ies | 17:51 |
| PaulePanter | pawky: Powering down is not allowed? | 17:51 |
| pawky | PaulePanter: I think DocScruitinizer is right, but I have earlier succeeded to get it up and running by rebooting it a few times... | 17:51 |
| pawky | PaulePanter: I was just joking a bit :-) | 17:51 |
| RzR | kralor: i can have a look but there is a design issue | 17:51 |
| PaulePanter | pawky: You got me. ;-) | 17:52 |
| kralor | RzR: which issue ? | 17:52 |
| RzR | the ability to go in promiscutious mode i think | 17:52 |
| pawky | PaulePanter: A reflash will definitely fix your problem, but give it another one or two reboots first. | 17:52 |
| pawky | RzR: aegis?... | 17:53 |
| RzR | this is a time question now | 17:53 |
| kralor | [ 5863.905548] device wlan0 entered promiscuous mode | 17:54 |
| kralor | I ran tcpdump and it seems it works | 17:54 |
| pawky | RzR: but if yuo can use tcpdump you should be able to use promiscuous mode... | 17:54 |
| kralor | at least tcpdump works | 17:54 |
| pawky | kralor: like i thought :-9 | 17:54 |
| pawky | :-9 | 17:54 |
| pawky | :-) | 17:54 |
| RzR | good | 17:55 |
| kralor | I guess the only problem will be the packet injection (and rfmon) | 17:55 |
| RzR | i did build iodine too | 17:55 |
| RzR | but did not test it in real life yet | 17:55 |
| RzR | if freewifi matters | 17:55 |
| PaulePanter | pawky, DocScrutinizer: Where do I get the “delivery”/Nokia image? Sorry the aegis link did not give something useful for reflashing. | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, it wasn't meant to do that | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompl | 17:56 |
| kralor | well I'm gonna try to compile aircrack-ng then | 17:56 |
| RzR | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 17:56 |
| RzR | is that what you are looking for ? | 17:56 |
| RzR | kralor: let me try 1st | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | RzR: my server won't help for reflashing | 17:57 |
| RzR | ok i mixed some urls | 17:57 |
| kralor | ok | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's this fire.nokia.com fileserver where you might (or might not) find the right firmware image for your device | 17:58 |
| PaulePanter | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79792&page=59 +-20pages might help | 17:58 |
| PaulePanter | ping fire.nokia.com | 17:59 |
| PaulePanter | pawky: Powering down is not allowed?ping: unknown host fire.nokia.com | 17:59 |
| PaulePanter | Sorry. | 17:59 |
| PaulePanter | ping: unknown host fire.nokia.com | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas Nokia still doesn't feel like it would be necessary to provide official instructions on how to reflash | 18:00 |
| pawky | Well, its not that of a hard thing to do the flash, its damn harder to find the right version to flash, if you are not using NaviFirm.. | 18:03 |
| pawky | I use flasher 3.12 do do the job, and theres quite a bunch of examples out there. But if anyone has a good way of finding the right firmware from nokias nds server when using linux you are very welcome to enlighten me :-) | 18:05 |
| PaulePanter | pawky: Just reading a blog post <http://blog.makesyouhappy.org/?p=202> about that. | 18:05 |
| PaulePanter | Just for reference, the ID is 059L698 16GB. | 18:06 |
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| PaulePanter | I got to go now. I will try the reflash process later on. | 18:07 |
| PaulePanter | Thank you for all your help DocScrutinizer and pawky! | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 18:08 |
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| pawky | PaulePanter: well, I didn't do to much this time, but your welcome ;-) | 18:12 |
| RzR | kralor: we need to fix that one 1st https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libpcap&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian | 18:14 |
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| kralor | RzR: fix what ? | 18:16 |
| kralor | ah sorry didn't see the url | 18:16 |
| RzR | it should build | 18:16 |
| kralor | wait | 18:16 |
| kralor | libpcap should be already built | 18:16 |
| kralor | tcpdump uses it I think ? | 18:16 |
| RzR | yes but was it published ? | 18:16 |
| RzR | i am building it now | 18:17 |
| RzR | let's cross our fingers | 18:17 |
| kralor | :) | 18:17 |
| RzR | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=libpcap&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 18:18 |
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| RzR | i did try that one too | 18:18 |
| RzR | i need to break the depends on libgtk2.0-dev, | 18:18 |
| kralor | it works ? | 18:18 |
| RzR | not yet | 18:19 |
| kralor | that's for zenmap I guess ? | 18:19 |
| RzR | no that's from debian IICR | 18:19 |
| RzR | btw wanna join the repo ? | 18:19 |
| RzR | http://rzr.online.fr/q/harmattan | 18:19 |
| kralor | I should | 18:20 |
| pawky | still fishing for anyone who has succeeded to replace only the kernel to openmode.. no one in here who's succeded? :-) | 18:20 |
| kralor | tho I've never worked with .deb packages | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | RzR: anyway your >>kralor: let me try 1st<< was actually very appreciated, I need a few proper success (or failure) reports on flashing openmode kernel, preferably with detailed cmdline quotes | 18:21 |
| kralor | RzR: btw how do you compile ? cross or on device ? | 18:21 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: well my report says sucess --> nothing :D | 18:22 |
| RzR | now i am out of home doing this on obs | 18:22 |
| RzR | but scratchbox is a goodstart | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: sorry, doesn't parse | 18:22 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: it tried loading the kernel in question which resulted in a success stdout form flasher but no action on the n9 | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's a fail then | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | which one did you try? did you flash or just load-to-ram? | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | and what'S your OS version (regarding kernel modules / uname) you came from? | 18:24 |
| RzR | DocScrutinizer: RzR: anyway your >>kralor: let me try 1st<< was actually very appreciated, I need a few proper success (or failure) reports on flashing | 18:24 |
| merlin1991 | I tried both patched and unpatched and I was on 1.1 | 18:24 |
| RzR | docScrutinizer: i was talking about building some packages not wreaking my golden n950 | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 18:25 |
| merlin1991 | n9 is currently in repair so I can't try anything | 18:25 |
| RzR | kralor: pcap built ! | 18:25 |
| kralor | yeah here too :P (the libpcap from nmap) | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro tested the patched one on N950 and for him it worked (at least he said it did) | 18:26 |
| kralor | no problems so far (still compiling nmap) | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: did you ramload or flash? | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: btw PR1.1 might be a bit unspecific regarding vermagic of kernel modules | 18:27 |
| kralor | RzR: | 18:30 |
| kralor | RM696-40-4:~/packages/nmap-5.61TEST2# nmap -v | 18:30 |
| kralor | Starting Nmap 5.61TEST2 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2011-12-26 17:30 CET | 18:30 |
| merlin1991 | ramload | 18:31 |
| kralor | RzR: error when trying to use SYN scan mode (dnet: Failed to open device wlan0) | 18:32 |
| kralor | otherwise TCP mode (-sT) works | 18:32 |
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| kralor | I have to go, laters | 18:36 |
| RzR | kralor: i am building it now | 18:38 |
| RzR | aircrack-ng | 18:38 |
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| RzR | it built ! | 18:44 |
| RzR | kralor: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80962 | 18:49 |
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| techwa | is there anyway to delete all messages from conversations? | 19:57 |
| merlin1991 | techwa: factory reset? :D | 19:58 |
| techwa | i think that as long as emmc is not flashed, all setting and user data like messages persist? | 19:59 |
| techwa | there's gotta be a better way to empty the database | 19:59 |
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| lizardo | anyone working on OTR chat for N9 ? | 20:06 |
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| tomma | techwa, reset tracker? | 20:22 |
| tomma | it will clear messages, contacts etc | 20:23 |
| techwa | yeah i was thinking about resseting tracker. How do u do it? | 20:24 |
| techwa | Clearing messages was actually easy | 20:24 |
| techwa | just long press the messaging window, and click on 'clear all messages' | 20:24 |
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| Tronic | about a dozen black dead pixels just appeared on my n950 :( | 20:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | :/ | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Open the screen | 20:54 |
| pawky | ok, tried to flash kernel only to open mode.. it might have worked, if I only knew how to check whats running now... | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Are they about where the hinges fix to the screen-top? | 20:54 |
| Tronic | any idea on who to contact for possible replacement? | 20:54 |
| pawky | YES!... it bloody works! :-D | 20:55 |
| Tronic | might try fixing it myself too, yes. | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/succeeding-session-log.txt | 20:55 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: dude... I think i just got the open mode in, kernel only :-D doni accli -I tells me open. Then its open right? | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: would you please check if following this scheme results in fail or success for you? | 20:56 |
| pawky | s/doni/doing | 20:56 |
| pawky | s/doni/doing/ | 20:56 |
| infobot | pawky meant: s/doing/doing | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: sure | 20:56 |
| Tronic | the dead pixels are near screen center in a semi random pattern | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | 2011-12-16.051838+0000GMT.txt:(07:01:34 AM) hiemanshu: Teo`: email DDP | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | 2011-12-16.051838+0000GMT.txt:(07:04:07 AM) Teo`: hiemanshu: DDP.program@nokia.com? | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Tronic: | 20:56 |
| Tronic | multiple rows and columns | 20:56 |
| si9 | Hi, what do I need to test open mode? | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Tronic: :/ | 20:56 |
| Teo` | what's up? | 20:56 |
| Teo` | Tronic: let me guess, a line of dead pixels about halfway through the display? | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Teo`: nothing - just copy-pasting something that happend to hav eyour nick, as Tronic's n950 is borked | 20:57 |
| Teo` | right | 20:57 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: well I was stuck after halley:/ # ~jr/bin/flasher_950_32 -l -b -k ~jr/Documents/N900/N950/openmodekernel-patched/zImage-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 | 20:57 |
| merlin1991 | n9 didn't boot | 20:57 |
| merlin1991 | ah wait sry | 20:58 |
| Teo` | FYI DDP did reply but they still haven't told me the address where should I send the faulty N950 | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | it "boots" to charging ACT_DEAD mode | 20:58 |
| Teo` | the holidays got in the way I guess | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: then you need to switch it on! ;-D | 20:58 |
| merlin1991 | anyway will see what I can do when I get it back from care | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | which in fact is just a change of initstate | 20:58 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: though isn't it known to malf after openmode kernel install if I boot back to normal kernel? | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | not if you don't touch any of the protected files | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E. don't install anything | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't mess with anything in etc/ | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | etc etc pp | 21:01 |
| merlin1991 | basically do nothing :P | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep ;-P | 21:01 |
| merlin1991 | is aegis source avaiable? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | most of it anyway | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | they told me | 21:01 |
| merlin1991 | so technically we could wire a userspace tool that sets aegis to current state = valid state in all it's persistant storages ? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, maybe they managed to permanently lock the aegisfs for openmode, when it got 'sealed' in securemode. That'S how a security framework is supposed to work | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | we should be able to use aegisfs when freshly formated under openmode though, AIUI | 21:04 |
| pawky | just for the backlog, this is how I flashed the unit, firmware only flasher -a DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.2_PR_LEGACY_339_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -k zImage-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: many thanks, I'll add this to my howto immediately | 21:05 |
| pawky | Now how does one get rid of the anoying, having to write the passwords for all your e-mail accounts at every reboot? | 21:05 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: thought you would be a bit interested... ;-) | 21:06 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: and the bin file is downloaded through navifirm... as you might have guessed. | 21:06 |
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| pawky | DocScrutinizer: and for reference my unit is a: 059L7N6 64GB | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, you also can get it via wget or sth, if you knew the actual URL on Nokia's server | 21:08 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: right, but I didnt... :-( | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ethereal might help | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 21:09 |
| pawky | yeah... or tcpdump... but then its to late don't you think? ;-) | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | as AIUI the navifirm tool also gets those firmware images from Nokia server | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, for you it's too late then ;-) | 21:10 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: yeah... | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 21:10 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: couldn't someone just rip all the links and put them on a site? Cannot see any uber unlegal part in it.. except for someone gettinga bit pissed of... | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | It's warez, exactly as if it's images of winodws. | 21:11 |
| pawky | still fishing for the solution how to not having to put in the e-mail passwords on every boot from now on, any one having the solution? I heard someone speaking about..yada,yada eMMC or something?... | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | somebody did, but that site somehow metamorphed into a mp3 download site then | 21:11 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: not to surpriced... | 21:12 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: whats the URL for your howto? | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: that's exactly the problem related to aegisfs I talked about with merlin1991 some 10 lines above | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | the URL is also above | 21:13 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: ok... back logging... | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/succeeding-session-log.txt | 21:13 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: a bit odd, jonni told me that was a bug to be fixed in 1.2 .... if it's aegis, i cannot really see it as a bug... :-( | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't know details or good info (yet) | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | check mount | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | try to find out if you can access content of aegisfs | 21:18 |
| frals | check syslog about the email passwords asking, probably accounts.db is corrupted by aegisfs | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | see if aegisfs are r/o mounted | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | see if you can reformat, or delete, or reinstall, or whatever those databases in aegisfs | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and IIRC we got PR1.1 right now | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so the bug probably is what javispedro found: aegisfs mounted r/o in openmode, while according to sane common sense it should be empty but writable, or have crippled unreadable content (due to encryption). Setting it READ-only doesn't make any sense | 21:22 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: will check.. :-) | 21:26 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: mounted in /home/user as rw ... | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ $ id | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),44(video),670(pulse-access),29999(users) | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ $ ls -la /home/user/.positioningd/* | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls: can't open '/home/user/.positioningd/private': Permission denied | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | total 0 | 21:34 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: was that for me? :-) | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if it gives you ideas... | 21:36 |
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| pawky | DocScrutinizer: I also got permission denied on that one... | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll try to reboot to securemode now, to compare | 21:36 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: but I got permission denied as root... | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | even root won't do decryption for you, of files encrypted and sealed under secure mode. That's what I'd expect from a security framework (see filesystem type aegisfs) | 21:39 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: i can cd to private as user... | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls: can't open '.': Permission denied | 21:41 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: ok... i moved that .positioningd to somewhere else and created a new .positioningd/private | 21:41 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: now what would happen if I reboot? | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is in securemode though (if I haven't accidentally flashed the openmode kernel) | 21:42 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: accidentaly?... i have willingly put in the openmode kernel :-) | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: I don't know. Worst thing to happen probably is your positioning via GPS etc borks and blows chunks | 21:43 |
| pawky | sounds scary.... | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~/.positioningd/private $ accli -I | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Current mode: normal | 21:43 |
| pawky | current mode: open :-) | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I wonder how I'm supposed to access this friggin data in private anyway | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Or at least find out who and how would be able to access it | 21:45 |
| pawky | cool.. I get location info in my new private folder :-) | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I fsckd mine by simply changing to openmode? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool sh*t | 21:46 |
| pawky | wait.... | 21:46 |
| pawky | i got the file location_settings into ~/.positioningd/private a config file.. | 21:47 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: but wouldn't a simple thing be to make sure that fuser version of aegisfs simply doesnt mount and then create the dirs oneself? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ls -la /home/user/.positioningd/* | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | total 4 | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | drwxrwxrwx 1 aegisfs crypto 4096 Dec 3 22:43 . | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | drwxrwxrwx 3 aegisfs crypto 4096 Jul 9 19:12 .. | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 2 aegisfs crypto 20 Nov 23 15:36 .pid -> /var/run/aegisfs.595 | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | this on a N950 that hasn't seen openmode kernel yet | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | under root ;-D | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | no "private" | 21:50 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: shouldnt you have one? | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I could figure "private" is a non-readable dir that aegisfs hides all the real stuff in when it got not correctly unlocked (I.E. when mounting aegisfs in openmode) | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 21:52 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: yes, but why not make aegisfs not mount, and create the dirs manually? | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, you're free to do that, I guess | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | just umount friggin aegisfs, create the dirs as 'normal' dirs (if they don't already exist), test if storing passwords etc works - here positioning log data - and if it works, just find where in initscripts those friggin aegisfs get mounted and comment out those lines | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd argue it's a bug those aegisfs get mounted at all, in openmode | 21:55 |
| pawky | Do you know where it gets mounted? Can't see it in fstab.. | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo had the annoying habit to have hardcoded mount cmds in initscripts | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | while fstab got generetad new on every boot | 21:57 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: ok.. checking init scripts.. | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha for Nokia's claim of "everything just works as usual in openmode" | 21:58 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: lack of private means the app didn't write yet | 21:59 |
| javispedro | on closed mode, private still appears | 21:59 |
| javispedro | I was just checking this, heh. | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 21:59 |
| javispedro | (wrote this post : http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=37457&postcount=225 ) | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and HI javispedro | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | finally some expert around | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 21:59 |
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| javispedro | I am going to spend a few days with the n950 in closed mode, I want to work a bit on fm and sdl | 22:00 |
| javispedro | and a malf during holidays... | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, I'm happy to see you around here. Been a long time since... | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I guess I just have no f'ing clue about this aegis stuff, compared to you | 22:04 |
| javispedro | no one has, we booted the last one who did =) | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway I finally "tasted my own dog food" and tested openmode_patched kernel | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 22:05 |
| pawky | how did it go? | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | no use in somebody who maybe has a clue, but only uses this to tell others that they don't have any - real help was scarce from him | 22:06 |
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| pawky | javispedro: wasn't that one of the inventors of that piece of sh... | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 22:06 |
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| pawky | funny how nobody screams anymore that flashing the unit is illegal... such a calm channel these days ;-) | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: do you think my approach to not even mount aegisfs in openmode is feasible? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | to fix issues with apps that used to use aegifs protected storage | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: indeed | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I only see the indirect effects, thanks /ignore | 22:08 |
| pawky | I am all ears, because I am up to making aegisfs not mount anything at all in /home/user | 22:09 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: depends on the app | 22:09 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: timed is the only one I've seen so far, and it would work | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: are there apps that *check* if storage is secure? | 22:09 |
| javispedro | because it just puts its data on the aegisfs but does not do any additional chec | 22:09 |
| javispedro | k | 22:09 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that is what I don't know. | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | or use different functions to access it? | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, that would be too insane, even for aegis | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pawky: mount|grep aegisfs | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | neuter all those, check how it feels :-D | 22:12 |
| pawky | wow... i could do cat /home/user/.accounts/accounts.db wasnt that one supposed to be encrypted? | 22:12 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: thats wha I am working on... :-) | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep I think so | 22:12 |
| javispedro | the accounts db has two parts | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat: can't open '/home/user/.accounts/accounts.db': Permission denied -- on 950 | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | root | 22:13 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: try as user | 22:13 |
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| pawky | because what I understand it should neither work as root nor user, when you run openmode right? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | user works | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | on 950 | 22:14 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: openmode? | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | right | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no openmode available here atm | 22:14 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: then I am a bit lost here. I thought the password problem, amongst others, was due to one not being able to reach encrypted stuff in open mode.. | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme check on "fsckdup(?)' N9 securemode | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: yep, same here - also nfc what's wrong | 22:15 |
| javispedro | as I was saying, the accounts db has two parts | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | you said...? | 22:15 |
| javispedro | you should not see any passwords | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooooh | 22:16 |
| javispedro | <javispedro> the accounts db has two parts =) | 22:16 |
| pawky | javispedro: listening... | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooohz | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | OOOOOOOOOH! | 22:16 |
| javispedro | it is the reason it remembers the accounts after boot, but does not remember the passwords | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHAHA | 22:16 |
| pawky | javispedro: because? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | now we know why we never get a second chance to create a working nokia account | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: where's the "hidden" part? | 22:17 |
| pawky | but one should be able to create a new such file when re-entering the accounts, right? | 22:17 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I think that either signonfs-mnt (not on my n950 at least...) or ~/.signon/private | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I assume you should be able to copy all that shite to MyDocs under securemode, then under openmode copy back to plain ext3 directories in place of aegisfs? | 22:19 |
| pawky | ok... then lets re create that directory without aegisfs and recreate the accounts then? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, try that | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | a *sane* app will recreate that db when it's missing | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas I've not seen any sane genuine Nokia maemo/HARM app yet | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 22:21 |
| javispedro | accounts/signon is (partly) FOSS too, so if there's an issue, it should be fixable too. | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: who's creating those friggin .db ? | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | do they ship as image with fiasco? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmmmmmmm | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | HMMMMMMMMMM, >>reset to factory settings<< :-D | 22:23 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: what, Is that the solution??? | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | shouldn'T try to mount aegisfs, but for sure should create empty database files | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | also in openmode | 22:25 |
| javispedro | signond seems to do | 22:25 |
| javispedro | see signon-8.38/src/signond/credentialsdb.cpp:293 | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I heard a lot of users seen MALF after >>reset to factory<< | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you're an animal :-D | 22:26 |
| javispedro | no, "grep sqlite -r *" is =) | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, fellas, I got some real real-life appointments, like e.g shower, dinner (first real meal since 3 days) | 22:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 22:28 | |
| pawky | :-) | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | keep me updated nevertheless | 22:28 |
| javispedro | cya | 22:29 |
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| ieatlint | happy kwanza all | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yo ieatlint | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: how about openmode? interested? | 22:45 |
| ieatlint | perhaps | 22:51 |
| ieatlint | i'm curious the risk of bricking and ability to revert to original state though | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: get the right flasher and image, that's mandatory prior to meddling with such elementary things (well, on HARM everything is elementary) | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ramloading the openmode kenel shouldn't be too risky though | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as you don't try to mess with initscripts or etc/* in general, or try to install anyrhing (which indirectly also is messing with etc/*) | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | adverse effects on your "secure data" like accounts etc is unclear though, yet | 23:24 |
| ieatlint | but the point is i can always take the current nokia-released image and flash it back on? | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | *might* nuke it, when e.g trying to create a new or recreate an old account | 23:25 |
| ieatlint | i don't care about ruining data on the phone, just making sure i can get back to a clean starting place | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, you can always flash stock image, if you ever were able to do that | 23:25 |
| ieatlint | ok | 23:25 |
| ieatlint | i'll be interested | 23:25 |
| ieatlint | have my second n9 here i can screw with :) | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw I only can *guess* that there's no possible scenario that would permanently brick your device. So if you brick it anyway, best thing I can offer is we swap devices :-D | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | here you go: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | read backlog of this chan though, of the last ~4h | 23:28 |
| ieatlint | haha | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are obviously issues with accounts etc | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno if you want to tackle them | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | watch pawky | 23:29 |
| ieatlint | going to have to wait until later tonight to really undertake this | 23:30 |
| ieatlint | i'm home for xmas and new year for the first time in a month from a business trip, and people are apparently insisting i not spend the few daylight hours left on a laptop | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | no daylight here | 23:31 |
| ieatlint | yeah, they clearly don't understand me | 23:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 23:31 | |
| ieatlint | only 1:30pm here | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | westcoast? | 23:32 |
| ieatlint | yeah | 23:32 |
| ieatlint | will be around, tschuess | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so enjoy your day with family ;-) | 23:32 |
| jonni | refering to your earlier discussion, in open mode, aegisfs is rw, but open mode is using different key to sign the encrypt/decrypt, and in secure mode that key is not supported which causes the malf. | 23:34 |
| jonni | so if you happed to install any application in open mode, it signs the refhaslist in openmode key, so it will have openmode signature, -> malf if you ever boot back to secure mode, but should work as long as you stay in open mode. | 23:36 |
| jonni | and those signing keys are not accessible from userspace. | 23:36 |
| jonni | and you cannot do userspace tool to fake your mode. | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: just for the >those signing keys are not accessible from userspace< part. What does this mean in detail? | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can access aegisfs content in securemode and copy it to random location? | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can copy same content back to aegisfs (or plain directory) from that random location, in openmode? | 23:44 |
| jonni | yes you can copy fs content thats not bĺocked | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | are there apps that won't work when there's no aegisfs on their "secure storage" dirs they use? | 23:45 |
| jonni | I mean that userspace has the encrypt / decrypt data functions where you pass the data, that data is signed in PA side which userspace cannot access | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | blocked means? the right key aka same mode as on writing? or is there another way to "block" things? | 23:46 |
| jonni | I mean that reading the fs content is allowed by user | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm yeah, there *are* methods to just verify a "password" but no way to copy it | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess this doesn't apply to aegisfs content though | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's more like a TPM thing | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where TPM hw holds a "secret" key and you only could ask for verification that your key is right | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Hang on - where is the openmode key from? | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you couldn't copy out the "secret" (aka hidden) cert | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a seperate openmode key in the FW? | 23:50 |
| jonni | userspace doesnt hold any key, the key is only in tpm side | 23:50 |
| jonni | so you cannot give any key to the function | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, you would ask TPM to verify e.g. a hash-signature over a file | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, I lost my thread | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually SpeedEvil 's question been quite interesting - is there a openmode key in HW? | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or in sw?? | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite obviously we can't use the secure mode key in openmode, to "unlock" aegisfs for reading or store securemode compatible stuff to it | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | but what key is aegisfs using then, in openmode? | 23:56 |
| PaulePanter | Does anyone know if NaviFirm+ is a Mono application and can be run from GNU/Linux? | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard in some blog that somebody tried in vain to run it under wine | 23:57 |
| PaulePanter | Or written differently, was anyone able to run NaviFirm+ under GNU/Linux? | 23:57 |
| jonni | DocScrutinizer: well it doesnt matter, even if secure mode key vs openmode key would be "secure" vs "open" -strings :) | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, just out of interest | 23:58 |
| PaulePanter | DocScrutinizer: <http://blog.makesyouhappy.org/?p=202> | 23:58 |
| PaulePanter | DocScrutinizer: At least that is written in there too. | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's where I read it, PaulePanter | 23:58 |
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| jonni | DocScrutinizer: userspace and kernel dont have access to read it anyways :) | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 23:59 |
| jonni | and dont have access to set them either. | 23:59 |
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