IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2011-12-24

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psycho_oreosI can't believe there's no vim00:48
jonnibut there is vi01:02
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psycho_oreoscorrect, the horrible vi that if you're not accustomed to it, you can make horrendous mistakes01:08
psycho_oreosand then there's nano for those who prefer nano over vi for whatever reasons01:08
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corecodeis there a trick for the terminal to use non-swype01:13
corecodeor a useful swype config?01:13
daniel_ou can just switch to a different keyboard..01:13
daniel_oor u want sth more simple? like automatic detection?01:14
befordswipe over the swype kb to get the standar US kb01:15
daniel_oor any other keyboard u configured ;)01:15
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npmis the amoled on the n9 as "dotty" (pixely) as the lumia's?01:54
npm(never had an amoled display before)01:54
javispedroI'd want to know that01:58
javispedronpm: btw, does your lumia also have that bluish tint when viewing from an angle?01:58
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npmmore aquamarine than blue, but yes02:41
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npmgrays turn into green02:42
javispedroI find it less noticeable on darky backgrounds02:42
javispedrobut e.g. on mail app it's horrible02:42
javispedroand yeah, aquamarine, I concur02:43
npmwell here's why, off the top of my head02:45
npmthe white color is made from red/green/blue led's on all at once02:45
npmat an angle, the reds have to travel through more glass and are dimmer, making the greens brighter02:45
npmred and infrared are attenuated by glass, so a ray going diagonally across thick screen would attenuate more02:46
npmthat is my theory02:46
npmthe huge irony of this phone is that i can't login to my microsoft live account, but everything else works great :-)02:48
npmalthough i find it even more overresponsive to accidental clicks while flicking/sliding/swiping than the n95002:49
npmand i'd still prefer an n9, esp a 64 g one :-)02:49
javispedrowho wouldn't02:50
npman iphone fanatic?02:50
javispedroyou mean an wp7 fanatic ;P02:50
npmi'd take the lumia 800 over an iphone 4s anyday though02:50
npmand i'm still waiting for my ambassador c7, but then again, i need to stop wriging software, playing with wp, and start shooting video02:51
npmstrangely enough, i had nothing that would do good macro of my n950 till now :-) so i guess i can get back to ambassidating02:52
npmoh, one other thing, they wasted 54 pixels of space on static buttons :-{)02:54
npmbut i guess led's are expensive02:54
npmbecause every app needs it's own built in webserver
npm(redoing... file will be back in a few)03:10
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auenfheh, wasted 54 pixels03:21
auenfmore like wasted 54x480 pixels?03:22
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npmok this instead
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pawkyIsn't there a precompiled openmode kernel pr1.1 available?04:54
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sujikHi I was looking at and I was wondering, is it possible to get open mode without getting the warranty void message? is it really something modified or just a scary message?05:19
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sujikwhat does MALF stand for?05:23
luke-jrsujik: it's just a scary message.05:53
luke-jrsujik: BUT, you may need to be prepared to sue Nokia for your warranty05:53
arekinathor whinge really loudly06:00
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arekinathI hear sending elop emails actually gets a response sometimes06:04
ieatlintprobably not the ones that just scream "WHY?!" though06:14
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ieatlintyay, package arrived today and now i have 3x n9 and a n950 on my lap06:42
luke-jrieatlint: how'd you get N950 so late?06:43
ieatlinti didn't06:49
ieatlinti got another n906:49
ieatlinti already had 2x n9 and an n95006:49
ieatlintbut this ia 64gb n906:49
luke-jri c07:10
luke-jrI have a 64 GB N90007:10
hiemanshuieatlint: what are you doing with 3 N9s? give us poor college students one :P07:21
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luke-jrhiemanshu: why?07:26
luke-jrcollege student = fooled into government-backed scam too easily07:26
hiemanshuluke-jr: we college students are poor and dont have monies for shiny hardware07:27
luke-jryou're poor because you let people scam you. and then you convince yourself it was worth it.07:28
hiemanshuhaha, well no07:29
luke-jrnothing good comes out of colleges.07:30
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, that's not ENTIRELY true.07:30
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: not entirely maybe, but generally it is07:30
GeneralAntillesThere are still a few hold-out departments that aren't completely worthless.07:30
GeneralAntillesI'd argue the engineering and mathematics colleges on most campuses are OK.07:31
luke-jrI'd argue the only people who learn from them, would learn better on their own07:31
GeneralAntillesThere's a certain truth to that07:32
GeneralAntillesAlthough there's also the whole "being able to work and learn with other people aspect"07:32
luke-jrmeh, who needs other people <.<07:33
hiemanshuluke-jr: a person with a life07:33
* hiemanshu runs07:33
luke-jrhiemanshu: the correct answer is "women"07:34
* luke-jr ducks07:34
GeneralAntillesYou'd be much better off putting $80k into a small business than 4 years at any University.07:34
luke-jrfor sure.07:35
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ieatlintapparently i looked away and missed drama10:16
ieatlintand i can't give n9s out10:16
ieatlintalso, re the anti-college rant, that attitude about college being useless isn't true10:19
ieatlintthe issue is people getting degrees in subjects that aren't useful to employers10:20
ieatlintat least, i don't see anyone with a computer science degree bemoaning how they wasted their time10:20
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SpeedEvilEven with useless degrees, there is a networking effect that can be valid in some cases.11:11
SpeedEvilBut I do strongly qurstion if it's worth 4 years of your life.11:11
fralsGeneralAntilles: well, uni around here is free so the money aspect isnt valid here ;o11:31
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daniel_odid anyone discover the problem, that in a contact some fields were grey and you weren't able to edit these ones?13:21
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pawkymerry christmass to you all.. :-)13:34
pawkyand now to something completely different. I am thinking of putting in the openmode kernel, but I want it to be ther like, forever. If i put it in do i get some kind of dual boot or similar?13:35
pawkyreading up on things a bit, people are talking about having to actively choose to run the openmode kernel, but I don't want to choose, it should be there for an eternity to come.13:36
dm8tbrthen you'd just flash it instead of loading it13:40
pawkyand which one is it one should use... the... unpached?13:43
pawkyi think someone told me its kind of reversed... the unpatched is the one without aegis, and the other is... something13:44
pawkyand, how about that opensh? thats a powerkernel without aegis as well?13:44
pawkyand, last questions... will data be preserved or will the phone be reset when flashing the kernel?13:45
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dm8tbrpawky: no idea about these13:50
pawkydm8tbr: have you flashed it?13:51
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ejasmudari need some help in migrating from n900 to n914:48
pawkyi think a good start is to simply write what you need help with..14:49
pawkyohh... sorry..14:50
ejasmudarok, i have el-v1.db transfered to my n914:50
pawkyso.. what do you need to know then :-)14:50
ejasmudarthere was a small utility by Msameer to extract sms from it14:50
ejasmudarand add to n914:50
ejasmudarbut i need to extract the full conversations ans call logs also14:51
pawkyif im not wrong you can simply sync the tho phones directly...14:51
pawkyhave you tried it?14:51
ejasmudarit syncs the contacts, but  not the conversations or call logs14:51
ejasmudaror is there a way for that also?14:51
pawkyi think there is.. as far as I remembered i got it all to the new on..14:52
ejasmudarfor reference:
pawkyas far as I can see you can sync contacts, events and to-dos, notes and text messages... isn't that enough?14:54
ejasmudarhow do u sync text msgs?14:54
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pawkyhave you even TRIED to do it yourself???14:56
pawkyhave you even CHECKED what you can do with your N9?14:56
ejasmudarok, now i m getting intimidaed14:56
pawkyi give you a hint, but this one I believe you can figure out yourself.... its called 'settings'14:56
pawkyno, you ask before trying...14:57
ejasmudari've just been using it for two days, so i may not have come acrosss everything14:57
pawkyI belive this will both be in the manual, and you will easily find it if you at least try to find it...14:58
ejasmudarok, trying the sync methodm(this is how i transfered contacts, but let me try for messages)14:58
pawkyyou see, now that wasn't to hard was it?14:59
ejasmudarhmm my n900 is not being detected in the n915:00
pawkycome on....15:00
ejasmudarans before u ask, both btooth are swithced on15:00
ejasmudarand visible15:00
pawkymight take a little while..15:01
ejasmudarsending stuff works fine15:01
pawkyso.. it is recognised then15:01
ejasmudar"No devices found" :/15:02
pawkyyou need to pair them first, then sync...15:02
ejasmudaryeah sending stuff works, not sync15:02
ejasmudarpaired already15:02
pawkyre-pair..... (pun intended)...15:02
auenfn9 wont see the n900 when trying to setup a sync15:03
auenfyou have to setup the sync on the n900 side15:03
ejasmudarok that i've done15:03
ejasmudarbut it sync only todo calender and contacts15:03
pawkyinitiate what to sync from the N9...15:04
pawkyI am pretty sure I got it all to the new phone. It was a while ago though..15:04
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ejasmudari'm able initiate sync from n900, not the other way15:04
auenfif you initiate the sync from the n9, it doesnt see the n900 at all15:05
ejasmudarand sync  does not sync sms15:05
ejasmudari  think auenf is  right15:05
pawkyauenf: maybe thats how it was... but I am pretty sure I got the SMS messages to the new one.15:05
ejasmudar@pawky, did u use the commhist utility?15:05
pawkybut I did it with the N9 PR 1.0  haven't succeeded with PR1.1 though..15:06
auenf5.1 sounds like what you've done already15:06
auenf9 is what you're trying to do15:06
ejasmudaryup exactly15:06
ejasmudarok, i have modified Msameer's commhist package (as per his instructions)15:07
ejasmudarbut i need it compiled and packaged15:07
ejasmudaris it possible to do that from windows?15:08
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ejasmudarany help?15:31
pawkyi mean, no help....15:33
ejasmudarwhat about compiling and packaging from windows?15:34
pawkybut whats left now is just the SMS messages right?15:34
pawkywell, I believe you will have to wait until someone who uses windows pop up to answer that question...15:35
ejasmudarSMS, IM, call logs. I know it is possible, but i need somebody's help to compile and run it15:35
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pawkyyes, and might be so this mr/ms 'somebody' might at the moment be happily celebrating christmass eve... just a hint..15:36
pawkybut sooner or later someone always pops up with the answer... :-)15:36
ejasmudaryeah true.15:36
ejasmudari better check back in 2 weeks time15:37
ejasmudarthere's going to be very less producti15:37
ejasmudar*productivity these two weeks15:37
ZogG_N9happy xmas btw15:38
ejasmudaryeah you too15:39
ejasmudarBTW, the topic should include some seasons greetings15:39
pawkyejasmudar: well 2 weeks might be a it to long.. but a few hours or so when people will be tired celebrating, yes...15:39
pawkyin the meantime maybe google can help ou...15:39
ZogG_N9what was the question?15:40
pawkyZogG_N9: do you know anything about this openmode kernel?15:40
ZogG_N9not too much, u want to try it?15:40
ZogG_N9DocScrutinizer knows everything =)15:41
ejasmudarmy question was regd migrating conversations and call logs to n9 from n90015:41
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seiflotfyhey guys15:41
seiflotfyhow do i install the new 1.1 firmware for n915:42
pawkyseiflotfy: standard NSU update?15:42
ejasmudar@seiflotfly, u will get OTA notification15:42
seiflotfymy current firmaware is very very weird15:43
auenfseiflotfy, at the end of the version you have currently, whats the PR_xxx number?15:43
pawkyseiflotfy: they usually are..15:43
ZogG_N9ejasmudar i think its possible but why?15:44
seiflotfyit also says class b?15:44
seiflotfywhat does class b means15:44
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ejasmudarZogG_N9: what do u mean why? Because I want my old messages, and because it ispossible15:45
pawkyZogG_N9: yes... I would like to kick out taht aegis once and for all.. and I am not to sure which one to put in if wanting to get rid of it once and for all + will the data be erased as well when flashing it?15:45
ZogG_N9messanges is ok but call log?15:45
seiflotfypawky: auenf: 10.2011.34-1.232.2_PR_23215:46
seiflotfyit also says class B15:46
auenfmy PR_299 doesnt have it either15:47
seiflotfyis this the netwrok15:47
ZogG_N9pawky i know at maemo u could flash kernel only i think u can do it from phone even but i think u should wait15:47
ejasmudarZogG_N9: call logs is not absolute emergency, but it is needed because i need to know when some clients have called me15:47
pawkyZogG_N9: wait?15:47
auenfvariant code is on microsim tray iirc15:48
pawkyseiflotfy: you can flash it manually yourself if you are into such things....15:49
seiflotfyi am15:49
DocScrutinizerZogG_N9: I know when I don't know15:49
ZogG_N9in 2 mins ill get to computer. wait15:49
pawkyDocScrutinizer: ah... there you are :-)15:49
seiflotfypawky: tools ?15:49
pawkyseiflotfy: Debian based distro, flasher...15:49
seiflotfyany tutorial15:50
seiflotfyand where do i get the fimrware15:50
pawkyseiflotfy: and some basic knowledge of what the heck you are doing15:50
seiflotfypawky: i did it with my n9515:50
pawkyseiflotfy: thats a good start..15:50
seiflotfybut i cant find the links anymore15:50
pawkyseiflotfy: google will probably help you there, firmware can be found on one of nokias ftp servers..15:50
seiflotfyejasmudar: i dont have windows thus no navifirm15:50
DocScrutinizerwhat's up? new PR or sth?15:51
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pawkyseiflotfy: there are tools for both linux and the poor windows sods, to be downloaded somewhere..15:51
ejasmudari'll give u the link, if u want. whats ur variant code?15:51
pawkyDocScrutinizer: want to change the 1.1 kernel for something that gives true root forever... but i am hesitating which one to use..15:52
DocScrutinizerwell, for now openmode is the true root mode, and openmode is triggered on loading a kernel without proper Nokia signature15:52
seiflotfypawky: do u have a link to the ftp server15:53
ejasmudarseiflotfy:which is ur device? (colour/storage/variant)15:53
pawkyseiflotfy: not on this computer... you will have to wait a bit for it..15:53
seiflotfyejasmudar: cyan/16GB/ what is variant15:53
ejasmudarseiflotfy:u can know variant from ur sim tray15:53
pawkyDocScrutinizer: so.. i should flash with openmode unpatched version? or the openshell version or?15:54
seiflotfymy sim tray is mico sim15:54
DocScrutinizerpawky: so with either of the kernels on my server you should get what you asked for, modulo any aps refusing to work *due to* openmode15:54
seiflotfyejasmudar: ^15:54
ejasmudarit will be something like 059l5t5 or something15:54
ejasmudarno, it will be on a sticker on the sim tray15:54
pawkyDocScrutinizer: oh.. do i get it right the apps installed will stop working?15:54
DocScrutinizerpawky: (apps refusing...) allegedly and according to reports there are no such apps15:55
pawkyDocScrutinizer: ok, so ALL are working then :-)15:55
DocScrutinizeryou'll have to redo all your accounts though15:55
seiflotfyejasmudar: 059L5H115:55
DocScrutinizeras account data is stored in an aegisfs area and not available in openmode anymore AIUI15:56
pawkyDocScrutinizer: fair enough.. so which one os it, i think jonni told me it should be the unpatched openmode version, right?15:56
ejasmudarseiflotfy:which country?15:56
seiflotfyi got it from UK but i live in germany15:56
DocScrutinizerpatched kernel won't earn you much over unpatched one15:56
pawkyDocScrutinizer: and doing the backup restore will create that, having to rewrite the e-mail accounts at every reboot right?15:57
pawkyDocScrutinizer: I just want to be true root on my own unit, thats all...15:57
DocScrutinizerbackup restore is unclear whether it works at all in open mode15:57
seiflotfyejasmudar: UK but live in germany15:58
DocScrutinizerjust manually registering to all your accounts shall work though15:58
* dm8tbr wonders what this 'true root' is people talk about. all those security frameworks couldn't care less about UID...15:58
pawkyDocScrutinizer: yeah... and then everything should work as normal right, except for you now being true root, right?15:58
DocScrutinizerunclear what's with that mass-deplyed Nokia account for updates though15:58
DocScrutinizerthat's what Nokians claim it should be like15:59
pawkyseiflotfy: you should be able to find it in this channels back log, look at when I first started to chat on it. Someone gave me a link to some chinese site, that has the link to nokia in finland... thats the quickest way to get the link..15:59
pawkyThats the one.. :-)16:00
pawkypawky: or.. nearly at least...16:00
seiflotfy1.5 GB16:00
auenfOTA update wont lose any data16:01
ejasmudarthis is for flashing to new PR16:01
auenfflashing will16:01
pawkyseiflotfy: hold, ill check...16:01
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: that's not exactly true, as "no app" is allowed to change UID and/or GID16:01
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ejasmudarfor updating, just use NSU16:01
DocScrutinizerunder aegis16:01
ejasmudarthats only around 250 Mb16:01
seiflotfyejasmudar: NSU tells me no uodates16:02
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: sure, but being root in this context is still pointless, true or not. you need to neuter the security framework, be it selinux, aegis, whatever to have full control.16:02
DocScrutinizerthat's what aegis will do when openmode, AIUI. Stop acting16:03
pawkyDocScrutinizer: ok, how are we doing folks, will i get rid of that aegis shit or not? :-)16:05
DocScrutinizerwhen users here say "true root" they don't ask for UID=0, they ask for the special permissions that are *usually* associated with that. You already are UID=0 when root, even under secure mode, but you got none of the special permissions under aegis16:05
pawkyDocScrutinizer: ok.. to be a bit more specifik I want to KILL aegis once and for all, as I don't want it.. :-)16:05
DocScrutinizeropenmode "stops" aegis so you regain those special permissions of root16:06
dm8tbrsome of which are also available for users on other systems16:06
seiflotfyejasmudar: pawky i got navifirm running using wine16:06
seiflotfythere is a weird frimware there16:06
dm8tbrI see the whole security framework as perpendicular to the notion of 'user'16:06
RST38hDoc: new firmware update?16:06
ZogG_laptopejasmudar: the sms are stored in database16:06
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: yep, but openmode stops MSSF aka aegis, no?16:07
ZogG_laptopthe question is N9 using the same type of db and this is same table16:07
ejasmudarZogG_laptop: i knoe, the el-v1.db16:07
DocScrutinizerrestorinfg system paradigm to the classic user/ACL/permissions concept16:07
ZogG_laptopif not you need to make small script maybe to extract and convert16:07
pawkyseiflotfy: duh.... scary..16:07
ejasmudarZogG_laptop: there is already a small utility:
ejasmudarbut it imports only sms16:08
ejasmudari need to import everything16:08
ejasmudarit is easy but the resulting files have to be16:08
ejasmudarcompiled and packaged16:08
ejasmudarthat is where i have trouble16:08
ejasmudarzogG_laptop: see
ZogG_laptopejasmudar: you want calls as well right? i mean except that you found solutions right16:10
pawkyDocScrutinizer: but I don't want it to only stop... i don't want it the be there at all :-(16:10
ejasmudarzogG: calls is also in the same database16:10
DocScrutinizerpawky: then you need to do HUGE patching to kernel et al16:10
pawkyDocScrutinizer: which doesn't exist yet I presume...16:10
ZogG_laptoppawky: you use it on computer right?16:11
pawkyZogG_laptop: use what? aegis?16:11
DocScrutinizercontacts/accounts/msgs are all stored in aegisfs, and you'd have to get rid of that16:11
DocScrutinizerkernel has several patches for aegis that you need to get rid of16:11
DocScrutinizerit's basically a new system - so better you go for mer right now16:12
pawkyDocScrutinizer: ok,  so I download opnemode (unpatched) flash my nice N9 PR1.1 and will live live happily ever after, right?16:12
pawkyDocScrutinizer: mer?16:12
DocScrutinizeryes, that's the plan16:12
DocScrutinizermer as in successor of meego16:12
pawkyDocScrutinizer: which doesn't exist yest I presume..16:13
DocScrutinizerask stskeeps on #mer16:13
DocScrutinizerbut mer/nemo is not like HARM16:14
pawkyDocScrutinizer: sorry to be  a bit repetetive here.. last chance, openmode unpatched will go into the N9 and everything will work perfectly except for having to put in all the accounts again. No other surprices right?16:14
ZogG_laptoppawky: wrong nick name =\16:14
DocScrutinizerpawky: that's the plan16:14
pawkyDocScrutinizer: great.... and what about that openshell version or something I read about giving you a powerkernel? anything you know about?16:15
ZogG_laptoppawky: it's not fully tested afaik, that's why i told you wait16:15
pawkyZogG_laptop: ahh.. ok, got it.. :-)16:15
DocScrutinizernext surprise will come with next update, when NSU or SSU or whatever installs a new signed kernel which goes BOOM immediately on your tainted rootfs from openmode16:15
DocScrutinizerpawky: opensh doesn't work16:16
DocScrutinizeropensh might be your su on openmode though, as I dunno if normal su is available under openmode16:18
ZogG_laptopejasmudar: so u run program on computer right?16:18
ejasmudarZogG: no, it has to be compiled and run on N916:19
ejasmudarzogG:i cant compile as I'm running windows16:19
ZogG_laptopejasmudar: than check how u set scratchbox on windows or use obs system to build it for u16:20
ejasmudarscratchbox is a 4gb download!16:20
DocScrutinizerpawky: I.E you might still need opensh under openmode, to get "true root"16:20
DocScrutinizerfrom a opensh you are allowed *everything*16:21
DocScrutinizerif you're root16:21
pawkyDocScrutinizer: but with the unpatched openmode I am atleast allowed to install whatever softy I want, right?16:22
DocScrutinizerpawky: just test it, and report here about any problems you face. Here are experts nbetter than me that understand a lot more about all that aegis things and can help you with any possible problems that migght arise on openmode. Basically there shall not be any that can't get around16:24
pawkyDocScrutinizer: can one safely save the original kernel somehow?16:25
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DocScrutinizerpawky: prepare for full reflash anyway, as there is no other way to go back to "normal" and you'll lose a lot of your data even by entering openmode16:25
ejasmudarZogG:what is OBS?16:25
pawkyDocScrutinizer: Thank you for the tip, I know this might happen.. :-)16:26
DocScrutinizerpawky: I guess no, you can't "save the kernel", you just can do a full reflash16:26
DocScrutinizerpawky: note please that I'm just repeating collected info, no first hand experience on all that16:27
pawkyDocScrutinizer: its cool.. :-)16:27
DocScrutinizerthere are others who did all the testing and info bit collecting16:27
DocScrutinizerpawky: I exploited a security hiole on PR1.0 and never felt like updating after that16:28
DocScrutinizerso no first hand info on all that from me16:28
pawkyDocScrutinizer: well.. i got a new phone with the PR1.1 pre installed.. :-(16:28
DocScrutinizer(I did same on PR1.1 on N9, but still...)16:29
seiflotfyejasmudar: got a libk for flasher?16:29
pawkyDocScrutinizer: it works?16:29
seiflotfy does not qork16:29
pawkyDocScrutinizer: well.. any info on how to do that exploit? that sounds like a much better option to me :-)16:30
DocScrutinizerpawky: it fails for some things, but works for what *I* need: access to the basic hardware to hack it16:30
ejasmudarseiflotfly:sorry i use windows flasher. But that link shd work16:30
ejasmudarwhy isnt it working?16:30
DocScrutinizerpawky: and no, sorry. We (the hackers regarding that) got a common sense that we can't take the responsibility to disclose how to exploit that security vulnerability16:31
seiflotfyit gives me an error16:31
seiflotfyDuplicate headers received from server16:31
DocScrutinizersince there's openmode there's also no need for you to use that exploit16:32
pawkyseiflotfy: how do you mean it does not work?16:32
seiflotfyclick on the link urself16:32
seiflotfyi get16:32
seiflotfyDuplicate headers received from server16:32
pawkyDocScrutinizer: fair enough... do you know the difference between the patched and unpatched openmode?16:32
DocScrutinizeryes, patched openmode neuters aegis in kernel16:32
DocScrutinizerso IF it was signed it would give you a "normal mode" without aegis16:33
pawkyseiflotfy: works nicely for me...16:33
seiflotfytried different browser16:33
DocScrutinizerwell, with an aegis just bitching but not blocking anything16:33
pawkyseiflotfy: try wget..16:33
pawkyDocScrutinizer: and unpatched has the aegis still working?16:34
pawkyDocScrutinizer: so its the "patched" version I need to install, right?16:34
DocScrutinizerboth have aegis still "working"16:34
DocScrutinizerbut in openmode aegis *shall* stop working anyway, by itself - AIUI16:35
DocScrutinizerso patched kernel is shooting a dead horse16:36
DocScrutinizerlook, even in openmode you *could* start aegis and it would bitch a lot and give you MALF or anything, unless you got patched kernel. But who would want to do that, while initscripts are supposed to NOT start aegis in openmode?16:37
pawkyDocScrutinizer: why does people shot a dead horse?16:37
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DocScrutinizerwell, even the "experts" have a hard time to understand *whole* aegis complexity16:38
seiflotfypawky: ejasmudar:
pawkyseiflotfy: yes, and?16:39
pawkyseiflotfy: have you read the help?16:40
RST38hDoc: What is there to understand? They added hooks everywhere in the kernel to prevent system call from functioning unless there is a permission16:40
DocScrutinizernot really16:40
RST38hDoc: They ignored file modes, ACLs, etc, because that would not be research16:40
pawkyseiflotfy: (I think you should double check its the right firmware bin, and that its for your country.. i am a bit unsure about that ALP stuff)16:40
DocScrutinizerthat'S what makes aegis so evil, it doesn't do it right16:41
DocScrutinizeryou *can* edit aegis-protected files16:41
RST38hDoc: It came from Nokia Research, a nice academic project :)16:41
RST38hWell it is research, does not have to be functional or useful, right?16:41
pawkyseiflotfy: how about '-R' for a change?16:42
RST38hMust have a PPT presentation explaining to the management and legal why it is such a wonderful idea to limit what those pests can do16:42
ejasmudarseiflotfy:wait, i think my mistake16:42
DocScrutinizer-R means "please reboot", the modt useless parameter ever16:42
pawkyseiflotfy: my bin file is called : C46CA460_DFL_61_HARMATAN_10.2011.34.-1.339.01.2_PR_LEGACY_339_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin16:43
ejasmudarthis is the correct one16:44
ejasmudarthe other one is EMMC image16:44
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seiflotfyejasmudar: thanks16:46
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pawkyDocScrutinizer: ejasmudar: yeah, that one looks a bit better :-)16:46
pawkyDocScrutinizer: if you are still here.. do you know where one can find the resampled ringtone .wav the phone uses? It sounds very crappy and I need to replace it...16:48
DocScrutinizerNokia is insane with hiding all that stuff behind unsearchable hashkey URLs on their servers16:48
ejasmudar_awayDoc:yeah whats the logc behind that?16:48
DocScrutinizerpawky: it is stored in ~user/.local or .cache or sth like that16:48
pawkyDocScrutinizer: did a find there, but no .wav  so its some weird unrecognizeable hash then?16:49
DocScrutinizerejasmudar_away: NFC16:49
pawkyIs there any mplayer for the N9 to be found?16:50
DocScrutinizerpawky: maybe HARM does it different than fremantle16:50
DocScrutinizerpawky: hard to believe that aegis would allow that16:55
vsync_So, are there any dates for PR1.2?16:55
pawkyvsync_: not that I have heard of..16:56
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npm_is there a lumia 800 irc channel?17:46
dm8tbrnpm_: google tells me that there is #wp7-dev17:47
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infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 7h 57m 48s) #harmattan (1d 7h 57m 48s) #meego (1d 7h 57m 48s). Has said a total of 41 messages. Is idling for 1d 2h 38m 6s, last said: 'gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.'.18:02
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npmdm8tbr: ok, i'm in #wp7-dev (whopping 9 devs there), asking annoying lumia questions instead of here18:09
dm8tbrnpm: if they're lumia specific, they might not know, but chances are they are more into the whole WP thing. (Although I suspect the lumia density will soon rise sky high in here)18:10
npm(fyi, if you hold the power button down for a very long time, it'll eventually buzz and reboot, e.g. after an app takes over the display and refuses to let-go18:10
npm(while hanging)18:10
npmoh to have an obvious gui into multitasking like harmattan18:10
npmat the same time, harmattan could easily do wp7 by adding a "tiles" view as replacement or addition to the feeds view18:11
npmwhich would basically be like maemo widgets with a tiling window manager18:13
npmand also, what exactly is nokia using to implement all its apps in the lumia?18:14
npmlooks like the qt apps from symbian and harmattan18:14
dm8tbrwho knows, they own Qt so they can do as they please :)18:14
npmand also, msft may have given them internal access to use C++ tools18:15
npm(nokia, please save developers from msft hell and release these hoped-for devtools to assist future lumia devs -- plus it makes for a nice "transition story")18:16
dm8tbrif that happens it will most likely come from msft, would be my bet18:17
npmthat's what i don't want... i want qtcreator to shit out wp7 installers in the way it does for harmattan and meego... so we can write the same damn apps for any platform and be done with it18:18
npmi find it very tiresome that devs have to lock-in to not only a closed delivery platform, but also closed development platform/ecosystem ... seems like android and harmattan are only ones bucking that trend.18:23
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npmok, there is one "win" to the lumia 800 -- you can watch movies on netflix19:09
npmwhich uses silverlight19:10
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pawkynpm: is that a win? compared to the N9 being able to show movies in whatever format you'd like as long as you get the right codec...19:35
pawkynpm: and that you have TV out on the N9, which, to my knowledge, does not exist on the Lumia..19:36
DocScrutinizerobviously no TV out on hooker, as there's no settings option to choose from PAL/NTSC19:38
DocScrutinizertrsted it, TV says "no signal"19:40
DocScrutinizerI wonder if the CPU/SoC of hooker could do TV out at all19:41
DocScrutinizeriirc that's no TI OMAP19:41
SpeedEvilAren't all of the w7 phones running a similar CPU19:41
DocScrutinizeryeah, sth like that19:43
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders what to do to hooker, except from instantly disassembling it. nmap?19:44
DocScrutinizerget a xterm app?19:45
DocScrutinizermeh, probably a full factory reset and then box it again while it looks "new" is best I could do with it19:45
DocScrutinizersorry for 6line spamming, but that's all I get on USB, so no use to pastebin this either19:48
DocScrutinizerDec 24 18:47:06 halley kernel: [3955351.014225] usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 1719:48
DocScrutinizerDec 24 18:47:06 halley kernel: [3955351.217177] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=045e, idProduct=04ec19:48
DocScrutinizerDec 24 18:47:06 halley kernel: [3955351.217196] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=8, SerialNumber=919:48
DocScrutinizerDec 24 18:47:06 halley kernel: [3955351.217206] usb 1-1: Product: RM-801|NOKIA Lumia 80019:48
DocScrutinizerDec 24 18:47:06 halley kernel: [3955351.217214] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 99461300-b56a-0801-b49b-eeb0f869e1da19:48
DocScrutinizerDec 24 18:47:06 halley kernel: [3955351.217398] usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice19:48
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DocScrutinizerlsusb -vd 045e:04ec19:55
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders if there's zhune for linux20:00
DocScrutinizerwhatever, I probably wouldn't touh that shit with a 10ft pole20:01
DocScrutinizerincredibly useless20:02
DocScrutinizerto me, I have to add20:02
* DocScrutinizer looks for the screw driver20:02
DocScrutinizerspeech input is maybe mildly interesting20:04
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DocScrutinizerHAHAHA, I went thru the PITA to get a winlive-ID for downloading some shit from marketplace-Nokia, then they urged me to create a wondowsDUNOWHATSHIT account as well, that asked for my birthday. I gave them 2010-12-24 and now they advice me to use my PC as I'm a kid and there's no way to change my 'birthday' to 1910-12-2420:40
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GeneralAntillesfrals, bullshit.21:30
GeneralAntillesfrals, there's no such thing as a free lunch.21:30
GeneralAntillesWhich Europe will be discovering with interest very shortly.21:30
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Kaadlajkuni being free in sweden or finland has nothing to do with problems in europe :P21:39
ieatlintbah, my lumia 800 order hasn't even started to be processed21:43
ieatlinthow dare nokia not be faster in getting me free stuff21:43
faenilieatlint: +1 , lol21:48
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DocScrutinizermarket place (hooker800): "Red FeeD" (watch movies... errr) only GBP72.99 - - - BWAAAHAAHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAAAAAAAA22:01
DocScrutinizercancel -> "do you really want to cancel? [ok] [cancel]"  MMHFPFFFHAHA22:05
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ieatlintsounds about par for a MS UI22:07
DocScrutinizerthe Nokia maps/local_scout app seems somewhat useful and almost or though, apart from this nonsense above on maps-download22:13
ieatlintthe important thing is the closer integration to facebook i keep hearing about22:15
DocScrutinizereven the fsckng time/date-picker slotmachine sucks less than on harmattan/Qt(m), though of course the MTF analog-clock timepicker and calendar datepicker is magnitudes superior22:15
DocScrutinizerWTF is face book ?22:16
ieatlintit's the most awesome thing ever22:16
DocScrutinizerI seem to recall last trend and hype here is "how do I cancle my facebook account?"22:16
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DocScrutinizerI don't know how much of an issue it is, I never looked into facebook22:17
DocScrutinizerbut it seems even the gasheads meanwhile notice it's not worth the assrape it actually does to users22:18
ieatlintto each their own, don't judge22:18
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DocScrutinizeranyway, here getting a facebook account is *out*, getting rid of your facebook account is *in* - wonder what I am when I never even had an FB account22:21
DocScrutinizerI just wonder if that thing could tether to my N900 via PAN, as I suspect local-scout nearby POI and even routing can't be done offline on hooker22:23
DocScrutinizereven with 490MB of map data downloaded and kept locally22:24
DocScrutinizer(in progress)22:24
ieatlintbut facebook is awesome, it allows me to find people i haven't cared about in years and stalk them22:25
DocScrutinizerquite obviously even switching from car to pedestrian guidance has a pretty noticeable delay that indicates it's doing some internet lookup via my WLAN22:26
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DocScrutinizer(wonder what I am...) probably a fool, as I never passed the intelligence test to find out how to shut down my FB account, sth that only the hardcore hackers of the losers know how to do22:28
DocScrutinizerand even those it takes 4 weeks to learn and accept what it means in TOS when facebook states you can't delete shared stuff, never, ever...22:30
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DocScrutinizerfunny detail: on first boot the thing tries to convince you to create a winlive account immediately, but it fails miserably on that due to no way to set up WLAN at that point in time of bootup22:37
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RST38hDoc: Enjoying your fake N9?22:38
DocScrutinizeryeah :-D22:39
DocScrutinizerand it's installing germany maps now, which actually is 4 times as fast as the previous download of those 536MB22:40
* RST38h once again gets reminded of two fishermen and a mermaid22:40
DocScrutinizeralmost done with 50%22:40
DocScrutinizerarguing whether to better fry or cook this fish?22:41
RST38hDoc: No.22:42
RST38hDoc: They catch a mermaid.One of them looks at her with intent, then sighs and throws her overboard.22:42
RST38hDoc: "But WHY? -- But HOW?"22:43
* DocScrutinizer starts to understand the use of "XXX is typing" notice in windows communicator22:44
DocScrutinizerbut HOW would I access this friggin brick, when it doesn't even expose mass storage, not to think about a shell or anything similar?22:48
RST38hDoc: Overboard.22:48
DocScrutinizerI'll probably * do exactly that22:49
DocScrutinizer* was when your post came in, made me change my sentence22:49
RST38hNeeds a jailbreak and a native SDK of sorts22:49
DocScrutinizerwell, the maps app is exactly like on HARM22:50
RST38hDoc: rejoice, at least the fs access can be enabled, due to Microsoft's sloppy design22:51
RST38hyou will also get a kick when you read about limitations wp7 applies to videos (end of the article) =)22:52
DocScrutinizerI got no fuckin regedit on my linux ;-P22:52
* dm8tbr wonders if linux can use usb-mas too with that thing (e.g. by forcing the USB-id in the massstorage driver)22:52
RST38hwell get a windows or something22:52
DocScrutinizerdo WHAT?22:52
DocScrutinizeris billyboy or balmer asking for other favours I shall do them? some sexual ones maybe?22:53
dm8tbrthough I'd suspect (also due to the obviously clueless writeup) that it's really something like MTP and not MaS22:53
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: bend over, deeper, deeper, yes, now they can pick your wallet out of your back pocket, thanks22:54
DocScrutinizerbut "Nokia cares" BWAHAHAHAHA22:54
DocScrutinizerapp "We care"22:55
RST38his there another app named "ORLY?"22:55
DocScrutinizer"Nokia respects your privacy... bla bla bla"22:55
RST38hexpects my privacy indeed22:55
DocScrutinizerwell, obviously this time M$ did the "cherry" part22:56
* RST38h finds it amusing how successful use of euphemisms has brought some words to mean their exact opposites in the corporate world22:56
DocScrutinizerlike "hacker"?22:57
DocScrutinizeror was this the journallie that messed the positive meaning of hacker up to its opposite?22:57
RST38hthat too22:57
RST38hbut I mostly meant stuff like "privacy", "care", etc22:58
DocScrutinizer"we care" makes me tremble and shudder22:58
RST38h"hacker" is too specific, I can live with their definition of "hacker" and use "researcher" for mine22:58
RST38hDoc: Also: "solution"22:58
npmbelated reply - [09:35] <pawky> npm: is that a win? compared to the N9 being able to show movies in whatever format -- silverlight as used for showing movies isn't a codec, it's a DRM scheme22:59
DocScrutinizer"security" as in aegis ;-P22:59
RST38h(that at least one of my Russian acquintances converted into "satisfucktoring a customer")23:00
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: >>Change EnableLegacySupport from 0 to 1.<< pffff23:01
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DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: seem my pastebin about lsusb?23:10
DocScrutinizer[2011-12-24 18:54:27] <DocScrutinizer>
DocScrutinizer[2011-12-24 18:55:06] <DocScrutinizer> lsusb -vd 045e:04ec23:11
DocScrutinizerany suggestions how to patch mass storage driver welcome23:11
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: I gather we need to look closer at >>bDeviceClass          239 Miscellaneous Device<<23:13
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: I'll have a look on wednesday when I get hands on mine23:17
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: N9 has >>bDeviceClass            0 (Defined at Interface level)<< and >>bInterfaceClass         8 Mass Storage<<23:19
dm8tbrhm might be as easy as forcing the usbmas driver then23:20
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: read up a bit, it's as I previously suspected MTP, but with the 'extentd/extinguish' bits enabled23:24
dm8tbrthey redefined MTP to MTPZ23:24
DocScrutinizerI just read what N9 does on "sync" mode23:25
DocScrutinizerbDeviceClass          239 Miscellaneous Device23:25
DocScrutinizeriProduct                3 Nokia N923:25
DocScrutinizeriConfiguration          5 Sync Mode Configuration23:25
DocScrutinizerbFunctionClass          6 Imaging23:26
DocScrutinizerbFunctionProtocol       1 Picture Transfer Protocol (PIMA 15470)23:26
dm8tbrMTPZ, the Zune Extension to MTP specifically denies access to files until authentication has been processed, which is only possible using Windows Media Player 10 or higher.23:27
DocScrutinizerfunny, I wonder why I never looked into that before, it has lots of funny devices/EPs23:28
* DocScrutinizer pukes23:28
* DocScrutinizer ponders "does it blend"23:28
DocScrutinizerI realy wonder how evil it may get with M$23:29
DocScrutinizerFUCK YOU M$!23:33
DocScrutinizerthis smells like another antitrust trial from european authorities to make M$ open up their friggin bricks for using them on arbitrary computers rather than just windows trashbins with zune installed23:34
DocScrutinizerso obviously "dongling" the phone to a windows computer is outright bald-faced, given how many times M$ got sued and sentenced about exactly this practice23:36
dm8tbr'but they give you an OSX connector' *snerk*23:37
dm8tbrbtw: that last URL looks very interesting23:38
* DocScrutinizer ponders to rip out that friggin cert from zune.exe and publish it all over the network, together with the code to build a proper authentication lib23:38
DocScrutinizerwhat a bunch of perky idiots23:39
DocScrutinizerotoh, why bother - to make winP7 a success in the end - God help me I won't23:40
DocScrutinizerok, so this POS is as useless to me as I originally thought - no surprise23:42
DocScrutinizerjust a pity about all the trees cut for the paper box it shipped in, and of course those who had to die for the chip and case manufacturing23:43
DocScrutinizerSorry Nokia, I don't like your new friends - please don't call me again23:44
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: HAH, finally I looked at your "interesting URL" and realized other had same idea as I had :-D23:46
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DocScrutinizer>>This is where things get interesting. In a nutshell, the software takes the serialized certificate data (including the marker and length bytes), appends the random bytes (including the length bytes) and calls that the message. It then signs the message using a typical RSA signing process. The process involves computing a hash of the message (in this case, standard SHA-1 with some byte manipulations and other techniques), and then23:54
DocScrutinizerusing the RSA private key and modulus to create a signature of the message<<23:54
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DocScrutinizer>>If the two are the same, then the recipient can assume that whoever sent the message is the owner of the private key and, therefore, the person they want to be communicating with.<<23:55
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DocScrutinizerHAH >>I actually did not catch this part of the MTPZ protocol until just recently, the reason being that this part occurs when you are sending files to the device. As I said in the MTP Handshake Packets post, I stopped capturing the traffic as soon as the device had completed the handshake, and so this part was not known to me until I tried to actually send a file to my Zune.<<23:58

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