IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2011-12-23

marsjenot very motivating00:00
jpwhitingmarsje: install qt4-qtconfig and run qconfig-qt400:00
jpwhitingand change the qt theme from gtk+ to anything else00:00
jpwhitingI think the problem is in the style itself00:00
marsjejpwhiting: I'll try that... thanks for the tip00:01
jpwhitingas they suggest at the end of that bug00:01
marsjeanyway, my main problem is the messageserver on the N9 going crazy and sucking dry the battery00:01
ZogG_laptopgri sup00:01
marsjeif I or nokia does not fix it, I would be pretty disappointed with my shiny new N900:01
marsjestill not sure what's the cause of it00:02
jpwhitingwhat e-mail accounts have you configured? messageserver is part of qt mobility, right?00:02
jpwhitingthe email server iirc00:03
marsjeI added a bunch of accounts and I'm not sure which one is causing the problem00:03
marsjebut I found out that if I disable all of them, I have no problem00:03
marsjebut a phone with everything disabled is no fun...00:03
marsjeit might be my own IMAP account00:04
marsjeit uses a ssl cert from and I haven't seen the n9 asking me if I trust it00:04
ZogG_laptopmardy, gri, filled bugs 492 and 493 =)00:04
marsjeso maybe this is not handled well00:04
jpwhitingmarsje: sounds likely00:04
jpwhitinghave you tried enabling the other accounts but not that one?00:05
marsjeI tried adding the root cert from but not sure if that worked00:05
marsjeyeah, this is what I have to do now... but the problem so far only appeared when I'm at work00:05
marsjeso it might be related to the company firewall or something00:05
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marsjebut whatever it is, message server is not supposed to use 99% cpu time for hours00:06
jonnijust kill/restart the process00:06
marsjejonni: doesn't help00:07
marsjeit restarts and starts to use 99% again00:07
jonniand your running PR1.100:07
marsjewell, maybe not 99%, but more than 60% for sure00:07
jonniI remember seeing bug/fix in some bugzilla, but dont remember the details anymore.00:07
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marsje10.2011.34-1.341.01.2_PR_341 to be exact00:08
jonnithats PR1.0, 1st I would suggest upgrading to PR1.1 since in there bunch of message server bugs were fixed00:09
marsjewell, this is my other problem00:10
marsjealthough I ordered at a Dutch shop, I seem to have a Polish version made for Orange00:10
marsjeso far, no updates yet00:10
marsjeif anyone can help me upgrade, I would be very grateful00:11
jonniwell random operator variants updates started rolling few days ago, so you might want to go to application manager and check for updates00:11
jonnior connect your phone to PC which has NSU installed.00:11
marsjeupdate check on the phone says my phone is up to date00:12
marsjewhat is NSU?00:12
ZogG_laptopmarsje: do you have windows?00:12
marsjeand does it work on linux?00:12
jonniNokiaSoftwareUpdate for windows00:12
ZogG_laptopjust wanted to say NSU00:12
marsjewhy do I need windows to update a linux phone?00:13
jonniwindows client which installs the firmware update00:13
Clintis this reason i don't get any caller id names on incoming calls or could it be something else?
_MeeGoBot_Bug 108 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Support CNAP (callerid name presentation)00:13
marsjewill try and abuse my win7 work laptop for that then00:13
jonni(and lastly the not endorsed way is to use virtualbox/navifirm to download the image to linux and flash with flasher, forums have instructions)00:14
marsjewhat's so special about NSU that can't be done on linux?00:14
marsjejonni: heard about it... how dangerous is it?00:15
ajalkanemarsje: nothing, just no one has done the application for linux00:15
jonnionly special thing is that NSU client is only available on Windows currently... (well betalabs is another story). But flasher binary is available on win,linux and mac.00:15
marsjewhat's the difference between nsu and flasher?00:16
ZogG_laptopjonni: there was nothing or linux ever =( except console flasher00:16
luke-jrany of you guys have an unlocked N9(50)?00:16
ZogG_laptopit was enuf for maemo, but i would prefer to have proper program00:17
jonnimarsje: nsu downloads and flashes the image, flasher can only flash but cannot download00:17
marsjedoes it use the same images and sources?00:17
ZogG_laptopi can download myself00:17
jonniluke-jr: all the N9(50) are unlocked, I havent heard anyone having a locked one00:17
luke-jrjonni: no, they're all locked by default00:17
luke-jrmaybe not the cellmo, but the CPU00:18
jonniluke-jr: nope, there is no sim lock, if they would be a lot cheaper00:18
ajalkanemarsje: flasher has the image with it, NSU downloads the image from Nokia servers. Some people claim it downloads it by illegal means.00:18
luke-jrI don't mean SIM00:18
ajalkaneluke-jr: you mean Open Kernel mode?00:19
jonni99.9% mean SIM when they ask about locked.00:19
luke-jrajalkane: sure00:19
jonniI've tested open mode kernel, but not using it anymore, since everything can be done in secure mode kernel too00:19
luke-jrjonni: everything?00:20
jonniluke-jr: well atleast on the N9 devices that I have00:20
ZogG_laptopjonni: except led and probably a lot more00:20
ajalkaneWell, I can't get DeviceModeControl credentials with "secure mode kernel"00:20
luke-jrjonni: wget && chmod +x gps2 && ./gps200:20
jonniZogG_laptop: I have led capability on unknown origin in secure mode too :)00:20
ajalkaneI surely will like to try the open mode kernel once it matures. But I don't have the time to be in the front lines :(00:21
ZogG_laptopjonni: how so?00:21
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jonniajalkane: there is a way to get those credentials too, but you need to do some tricks to gain them.00:21
luke-jrjonni: …00:22
jonnirunning unknown origin binaries without seeing to sources in my phone? must be joking :)00:22
ajalkanejonni: and are those tricks something you can distribute to end users, via either Ovi Store or Apps For Meego ?00:22
luke-jrjonni: append .c to URI for sources ;)00:22
jonniajalkane: well not really, since you would need exploit things that would be fixed in future releases.00:24
luke-jrjonni: so can you run that plz?00:25
ajalkanejonni: ok thanks, but then it's quite useless at least for me.00:25
ajalkaneAt least if and when open mode kernel works, I could distribute an application that would work as intended for those who installed open kernel00:25
jonniyep, its only usefull if you want to do stuff in your own personal device, but for software distribution no luck, most likely policy will never allow it00:25
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ajalkaneIf I've understood correctly, you can check what credentials are available for the application in run-time, so you could nicely disable/enable functionality based on whether open kernel was running00:26
ajalkaneIt's of course something I'd rather not do, doing separate code paths like that, but seems like it's the only solution.00:27
luke-jrjonni: or tell me how you'd get it past the DRM nonsense, so DocScrutinizer can run it? :P00:27
jonniajalkane: yep you can easily check if your app is running in open mode vs secure mode00:29
jonniluke-jr: just wondering why are you doing that in hard way when there is mobility api for all the gps stuff00:30
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luke-jrjonni: because I'm implementing it in gpsd.00:30
luke-jrfor systems without mobility api nonsense00:30
marsjewhen I check my imap mail on my n9 is says: connecting to server00:36
marsjeand then nothing happens at all00:36
jonniluke-jr: gps2: gps2.c:90: main: Assertion `sck >= 0' failed.00:36
marsjeI tried tcpdump and nothing is there00:36
marsjeI see this in my syslog... any idea?00:36
marsjeDec 22 23:34:55 (2011) mce[551]: mce-io.c:mce_close_file(): Failed to close `/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-004b/wait_for_gesture'; Device or resource busy00:36
marsjeDec 22 23:34:56 (2011) Msgindexer[1560]: [Debug] Notifications :  MessageIndexer::switchEmailMode( false )00:36
marsjeDec 22 23:34:56 (2011) Msgindexer[1560]: [Debug] Notifications :  Notifications are enabled00:36
luke-jrjonni: that means DRM blocked it00:37
jonniwhats the socket name, just checking the groups00:37
luke-jrjonni: I think dmesg can confirm00:37
luke-jrsocket name?00:37
luke-jrit's a phonet socket00:37
luke-jrwhich don't have names afaik00:38
luke-jrmaybe phonet000:38
jonnino error messages on dmesg00:38
luke-jr <-- what DocScrutinizer got00:39
jonniwell that comes if you run it without credentials00:40
luke-jrjonni: is your cellmo online?00:40
jonniluke-jr: should be, since I can make phonecalls00:40
luke-jryou're running it as root, right?00:40
* luke-jr wonders why else one might be unable to open a phonet socket00:40
jonniyes, usually that error happes if socket is not owned by root00:41
jonnithats why I was asking that what would be the filedescriptor for it00:41
luke-jrthat assert means it failed to open, so didn't get a fd00:42
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luke-jrs/open/create the socket/00:42
infobotluke-jr meant: that assert means it failed to create the socket, so didn't get a fd00:42
jonniwhere are AF_PHONET, SOCK_DGRAM defined?00:43
luke-jrsys/socket.h I think00:43
luke-jrpossibly <linux/phonet.h> for AF_PHONET00:43
luke-jrdoes `ifconfig -a` show phonet0 ?\00:44
* luke-jr begins to wonder if N9 doesn't use phonet anymore ._.00:44
jonniyes it does00:44
luke-jrhow about regular `ifconfig`?00:44
jonniyes its shows it up00:44
* luke-jr scratches his head.00:45
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: on the way to get gentoo there as well?00:45
luke-jrZogG_laptop: well, my project is still Gentoo on N900; I just need to know if the gpsd driver is "phonet" or "n900"-specific ;)00:45
luke-jrso trying to figure out if N9 uses the same protocol or not00:45
ZogG_laptopjonni: so how did you succeed to use led on unknon origins?00:45
luke-jrjonni: how about another approach-- can you tcpdump phonet0?00:46
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: is it avilable on harmattan i mean tcpdump?00:46
luke-jrZogG_laptop: dunno00:47
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ZogG_laptopluke-jr: it is00:48
jonniyes tcpdump works and its capturing stuff00:48
luke-jrjonni: if you get an opportunity, could you make phonet0 more or less quiet, and tcpdump just the GPS for a bit?00:49
luke-jr(then I can just look at that and see if it's the same protocol)00:49
luke-jrto write to a file, tcpdump -s0 -w /tmp/pcap00:49
ZogG_laptopwhy -s0?00:50
luke-jrby default, tcpdump truncates packets to just headers00:50
ZogG_laptop-i phonet0 ?00:50
luke-jryeah, that might help too :D00:50
luke-jrZogG_laptop: btw, if you/anyone actually does want Gentoo on N9, I'd be willing to do it if someone sends me one-- they're not available here at all00:51
jonnisorry cant do that atleast on my main phone00:51
ZogG_laptopi didn't used it too much but i used it as tcpdump -i ethx port 5060 -w file00:51
ZogG_laptopmaybe added size as well00:51
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: neither in y country and no i have no time fr that =(00:52
marsjeZogG_laptop: should the filter be the last arguments?00:52
marsjeI mean, you put it in the middle00:52
luke-jrjonni: how about mixed with other stuff?00:52
jonnitcpdump works on any N9 device though so anyone with N9 can do it00:52
ZogG_laptopthe guy who is porting android to n900 wanted to write uboot and port it to n950 but didn't get one )00:53
luke-jrjonni: btw, you tested tcpdump on -i phonet0 ?00:53
luke-jrZogG_laptop: yeah, me either.00:53
jonniluke-jr: yes tested with -i phonet000:53
ZogG_laptopmarsje: filter you mean port?00:53
luke-jrjonni: k, ty for the assistance00:53
ZogG_laptopluke-jr:  you have no n950?00:53
luke-jrZogG_laptop: nope00:53
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ZogG_laptopme too00:53
marsjeZogG_laptop: yes00:54
daniel_ouhh... the twitter design just changed O.o00:54
jonnitoo much confidential passwords and email sync on the device, so not dumping in there :)00:54
ZogG_laptopi was 3rd in least after last and i bet i wouldnt get one anyway00:54
ZogG_laptopmarsje: it is last after00:54
luke-jrjonni: I don't think those go over phonet0 anyway :p00:54
ZogG_laptopjonni: change the network use 123 bug for the good =)00:55
luke-jr… also, why aren't you using TLS? :P00:55
ZogG_laptopbtw it wouldn't if you have wifi connected i think00:55
luke-jrZogG_laptop: even if you're using the modem for GPRS, that'd go over gprs0 ;)00:57
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: han why u need dump?00:59
luke-jrZogG_laptop: to look at the GPS protocol01:00
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ZogG_laptopbut why not gprs0?01:01
luke-jrGPS doesn't use gprs001:02
ZogG_laptopoh right01:02
ZogG_laptopit just looks familiuar and i got confused01:02
ZogG_laptoplemme check something i may give u dump01:03
ZogG_laptopsetting wireshark first01:03
ZogG_laptopemerging =)01:03
ZogG_laptopbut only if you do not give it to anyone and wouldn't use any personal info if u find it there01:04
ZogG_laptopmarsje: funtoo01:04
marsjeI once tried gentoo and it's like having electronic appliances with transparent covers01:05
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: ?01:05
gabriel9gentoo users are strange01:05
ZogG_laptopmarsje: it's more intuitive than ubuntu for sure01:05
marsjeit's cool... but all that compiling what not what I needed01:05
luke-jrZogG_laptop: I thought you didn't have one?01:05
marsjeI tired of ubuntu01:05
luke-jrmarsje: so use binary packages01:05
gabriel9try Arch01:06
gabriel9it's good01:06
luke-jrmaybe someday.01:06
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: i bought n9 from people that know people orm usa that actaullyy as i understand from canada that is from asia )01:06
ZogG_laptoparch is mess01:06
ZogG_laptoptried it01:06
marsjehear good things about arch, but I'm a debian/ubuntu person01:06
luke-jrZogG_laptop: I can keep your info private, yes01:06
luke-jrZogG_laptop: but note that the pcap has to be done on N9, not on wherever you put Wireshark :p01:07
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: wait i'll lurk in it first myself01:07
luke-jrZogG_laptop: Wireshark doesn't really understand phonet ;)01:07
marsjeI see so many scary things in my syslog....01:07
ZogG_laptopto delete all porns places ic checked in porsquare )01:07
luke-jrlike I said, phonet0 has no real network traffic :P01:07
gabriel9Well the only distro that works for me01:08
luke-jr(though I don't endorse anyone viewing porn, private or not…)01:08
marsjeanyone knows where this comes from and what it has to do with my email account? mce-io.c:mce_close_file(): Failed to close `/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-004b/wait_for_gesture'; Device or resource busy01:08
ZogG_laptopwhat's wrong with it?01:08
ZogG_laptopmarsje: i have this too no connection to mail01:09
ZogG_laptopit's sensor i think01:09
ZogG_laptopof screen or light maybe01:09
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ZogG_laptopas i2c in kernell is for sensors afaik and i had it when screen goes off i think01:10
luke-jrZogG_laptop: I need to go eat supper w/ fam, but I can take a look at pcap when I get back01:10
luke-jrZogG_laptop: also, the GPS obviously needs to be running during the capture01:10
luke-jrideally with a fix01:10
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: your email?01:10
luke-jrZogG_laptop: ;)01:10
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: i turned on foursquare but i was indoors01:11
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marsjecool to see that IPv6 works01:22
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: sent you, i think it has no info, but we could try more tomorrow or day after night01:23
ZogG_laptopmarsje: where?01:23
marsjeanyone knows how I can use a proxy for email?01:23
marsjeZogG_laptop: on my n901:23
marsjeZogG_laptop: after installing the ipv6enabler package01:24
ZogG_laptopoky, i'll leave it for tomorrow01:24
luke-jrZogG_laptop: I think you had no GPS fix during the capture?01:41
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Richlvarrgh. one n9 failed to launch devel-su after pgrade. another can't install any apps, which seems to be quite common -
Richlvwtf id wrong with all that, i'd hope they could make the upgrade process that doesn't mess up that often :/01:52
Richlvi seriously don't want to reflash another device. out of 2 devices that's a 100% failure rate when upgrading :(01:53
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ieatlintyeah, i've had an n9 and an n950 die on the pr1.1 upgrade02:14
ieatlintit doesn't upgrade well02:14
ieatlintbut look on the bright side, with nokia's plans for meego, you won't have to worry about updates02:14
daniel_oieatlint: hahaha :D02:17
befordI had to flash after reseting the device Richlv, unable to install apps02:40
daniel_odid someone try nokia pulse yet?02:57
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jonniRichlv: you dont need to reflash necessarily, you can use rescue kernel to bootup once, and change developer uid to be 0, and then reboot to normal mode, and use developer account to reinstall busybox-develsu packages.08:30
jonni(that is possible because etc/passwd is not protected by aegis)08:32
jonnimost of the errors can be solved without reflashing.08:36
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psycho_oreosjonni, you have N9?08:47
ieatlintyou can also just flash the fw without flashing the mmc, so you don't really lose data08:48
rwhitbyG'day everyone.  Kernel and open source developer from another mobile platform (I run, and old OpenMoko contributor here.  New N9 owner.  Looking for pointers on where I can start reading up on homebrew development for the N9, preferably on the Mac, alternatively on Linux.08:51
rwhitbyIn particular, where the is GPL source code release for the open source components on this device I just got?08:52
rwhitbys/the is/is the/08:52
infobotrwhitby meant: In particular, where is the GPL source code release for the open source components on this device I just got?08:52
infobotthanks, rwhitby08:53
rwhitbyIs there something like for open source N9 development?08:53
rwhitby(to be clear, I'm less interested in what resources Nokia provides for app developers, and more interested in what kernel and low-level folks do outside of that sphere)08:54
SpeedEvilI meant to start a project documenting the n9 hardware, as I had the n900, bit this hasn't gone far.08:56
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fralsthe open source stuff is generally hosted on, the iso with the sources is mirrored at afaiu08:59
rwhitbyfrals: perfect, thanks.09:03
rwhitbylooks like I need to read up on this aegis this - seems there's some "interesting" things being done by Nokia in this area09:05
rwhitbys/aegis this/aegis thing/09:05
infobotrwhitby meant: looks like I need to read up on this aegis thing - seems there's some "interesting" things being done by Nokia in this area09:05
rwhitbyfrals: is there an aggregator for the items on gitorious, or just search for "N9" or "meego" stuff ?09:08
jonnipsycho_oreos: I have few N9's and N950's09:09
fralsrwhitby: dont think so, unfortunately, i guess finding the package name and then search for that would be the workflow that'd work09:10
DocScrutinizer51interesting thing regarding aegis done by nokia? EH?09:10
psycho_oreosjonni, a few?!?!?09:10
rwhitbyDocScrutinizer51: hey, joerg from openmoko days?09:11
rwhitbyg'day - long time no see09:11
DocScrutinizer51hi :-)09:11
luke-jr(and he's working on GTA03 I hear :P)09:12
* rwhitby is a nokia/meego/n9 newbie - please excuse the base-level requests for pointers09:12
DocScrutinizer51np, yw09:13
rwhitbyluke-jr: I still have 2x GTA01 and 2x GTA02 sitting here in a drawer ;)09:13
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
psycho_oreosjonni, how the hell did you managed to get a few N950? you work with nokia or something?09:13
infoboti guess aegis-no-thanks is
jonnipsycho_oreos: yes that helps ;-)09:14
DocScrutinizer51psycho_oreos: bingo!!09:14
luke-jrspeaking of which, just how much of Harmattan is open?09:14
DocScrutinizer51afk, daywork o/09:14
luke-jrjonni: wanna send me a N950? :P09:14
psycho_oreosjonni, eh I'm jealous lol09:15
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer51, bleh lol oh well09:15
jonniluke-jr: sorry I dont have any developer edition N950's anymore, only the R&D cert ones which cant be sent out.09:16
luke-jrjonni: aww09:16
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: do you sleep at all?09:20
DocScrutinizer51jonni: write "DEVELOPER DEVICE Not For Sale!" on backside ;)09:20
luke-jrZogG_laptop: yes09:20
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: fine by me, I have no plans to sell it :P09:21
luke-jras much as I hate capacitive ts, the RAM is worth it09:21
psycho_oreosI think if you see it from a different perspective, DocScrutinizer51 was trying to tell jonni how to get it smuggled out ;)09:21
RST38hMoorning, Doc, Zog, all09:21
rwhitbyDocScrutinizer51: seems that link in ~aegis goes to a redirected page containing a list of links which all redirect back to the same page09:21
luke-jrpsycho_oreos: oh, like that's the only difference? :P09:22
psycho_oreosluke-jr, well no, but for starters writing that on the back of N950 would probably make it less evident heh09:22
DocScrutinizer51err the nokia link, rwhitby ?09:23
DocScrutinizer51RST38h: moo09:23
DocScrutinizer51rwhitby: sorry, nokia tends to mess up yhat server09:24
DocScrutinizer51I'll check and fix in ~11h09:24
rwhitbyDocScrutinizer51: no worries09:24
psycho_oreosluke-jr, did you apply for the devkit back when it was open?09:24
DocScrutinizer51now for LTE :-D bbl09:24
luke-jrpsycho_oreos: yes, apparently they ignored people not doing Maemo (eg, Gentoo/me and Android)09:25
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: LTE on GTA03?09:28
DocScrutinizer51no gta03 planned09:28
DocScrutinizer51ST-E Thorium chipset modem09:28
DocScrutinizer51my daywork starts in 2min, so...09:29
psycho_oreoshave fun? :)09:30
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: err, didn't you show me it a month ago?09:30
ZogG_laptopjonni: can you talk to your nokian friends as well for this ->
_MeeGoBot_Bug 492 nor, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, signon-oauth2 (liboauth2) on harmattan09:31
DocScrutinizer51luke-jr: gta04 by goldelico, no LTE on that one09:31
luke-jroh right09:31
DocScrutinizer51afk, for good now09:32
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jonniZogG_laptop: that can be problematic, there is a reason why SDK only has PR1.0, even if oauth would come on some upgrade (which I'm not confirming), it doesnt help much if SDK stays PR1.0.09:33
Richlvjonni, ahhh. if i had known about such a possibility before, i probably would have not bricked my phone in the process :D09:34
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Richlvjonni, although i tried to uninstall that package using package manager and reinstall it, that didn't fix it09:35
Richlvso maybe somebody has an idea on what's wrong with 'download' button in that store not working after an upgrade and how it could be fixed w/o reflash ?09:36
jonniRichlv: that can be fixed too, ovi store problems can be fixed by reinstalling the signing keys debian package09:36
ZogG_laptopjonni: what is the reason of sdk keeping 1.0 ?09:38
jonniRichlv: apt-get --reinstall install aegis-ovi-source-policy09:39
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jonniRichlv: and apt-get --reinstall install nokia-codesigning-keyring09:40
ZogG_laptopi had this ovi problem, solved it other way09:41
ZogG_laptopi don't remember how but i actually solved it acidently09:41
jonnibut basicly I had one device which didnt have signing keys after the PR1.1 upgrade, and I just reinstalled when and things started to work without reflashing09:42
ZogG_laptopjonni: does it involve only ovi store problem?09:43
jonniinvolved devel-su not working and ovi not working09:43
ZogG_laptopwhat i had is that download link is inactive and my stuff page has busy indicator forever09:43
ZogG_laptopreboots saved me till it didn't help too09:44
ZogG_laptopi remember how i solved it09:44
ZogG_laptopRichlv: log in to ovi from web09:44
jonniusually that is solvabe by using console apt-get or dpkg09:44
ZogG_laptopchoose package and use send to phone via sms than click on sms link - it solved the problem for me09:45
ZogG_laptopcan't promise anything09:45
ZogG_laptopjonni: if devel-su is not working how apt-get would work or user can run this too>09:46
jonniZogG_laptop: by booting once with rescure kernel, changing developer account uid to 0, rebooting back to normal mode, and use apt-get09:46
jonnirescure kernel even09:46
ZogG_laptopmeh too compllicated09:46
ZogG_laptopmy solution worked fine09:47
Richlvjonni, mmmm, thanks - will try that on the weekend when i'll get access to that device again09:47
ZogG_laptopand i don't care about ovi09:47
RichlvZogG_laptop, in this case 'download' link/button is kinda active, but hitting it does nothing at all09:47
ZogG_laptopjonni: are you familiar with xauth?09:47
Richlvbut i'll keep this as a second option if reinstalling those packages will fail, thanks09:47
ZogG_laptopRichlv: the link in sms is just a link that trigers ovi and it worked, before it if i went to ovi and than choosed package download button was inactive as well09:48
DocScrutinizer51google for 'ericsson thorium m700'09:51
ZogG_laptophmm i think i need to develop transmission remote control09:53
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ZogG_laptopX-Fade: morning10:05
X-FadeZogG_laptop: Hi10:05
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: you still one of the admins of extra-devel on garage right?10:07
X-FadeZogG_laptop: Yes10:07
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: the guy i asked to build waze for extradev and apps.formeego had problem with both just wanted an advice from you10:08
ZogG_laptopboth are buildidng in scratchbox, so if he can build on scratchbox on his computer it would build in both right?10:08
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: - that one is for garage10:09
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ZogG_laptopand his repo on meego's obs is closed to me to show you the error10:10
X-FadeZogG_laptop: The only difference is that on autobuild the scatchbox env is always clean.10:10
X-FadeZogG_laptop: In this case there is no qmake.10:11
ZogG_laptopbut technically if he builds in scratchbox it would be built in garage as well? coz i think he used it as it is from qtcreator and it might be the problem10:11
X-FadeZogG_laptop: I think he just needs to build-depends on libqt4-dev or something like that.10:12
ZogG_laptop[2011-12-20 19:38:41] Try to install static depends: libqt4-dev10:13
ZogG_laptop[2011-12-20 19:38:41] fakeroot apt-get -y -q -o APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated=1 install --no-remove libqt4-dev </dev/null10:13
X-FadeOr where was qmake again in fremantle.10:13
ZogG_laptopi dunno as never build anything for it as far as i remmember10:14
ZogG_laptopbut what is this error about ? make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../waze/', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.10:16
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: and on apps.formeego as he said he got something like waiting for Qa-testing or something10:17
ZogG_laptopi can't see project - but it's
X-FadeZogG_laptop: It is not submitted to testing yet.10:18
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: he needs to submit it?10:18
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: the app is pretty stable and working10:18
X-FadeZogG_laptop: Point him to
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: i used  tcpdump -i phonet0 -s0 -w /tmp/testdump10:19
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: i run it and than opened foursquare and drive and get same results10:23
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ZogG_laptopX-Fade: thanks btw =010:42
djszapi|huhehe, Lumia arrived yesterday morning :)10:51
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ZogG_laptophere comes end to multitasking on any phone10:53
ZogG_laptopapple got patent for that10:53
ZogG_laptopi'm seroius10:54
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ZogG_laptop~google multitasking in call apple patent10:55
hiemanshuZogG_laptop: yes, but doesn't mean what yo usaid10:56
hiemanshuyou said*10:56
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ZogG_laptophiemanshu: HTC phones are banned in USA coz they get phone numbers from sms =)10:59
hiemanshuZogG_laptop: no they aren't lol11:01
hiemanshuor they got banned now?11:01
hiemanshuoh yeah I heard something like that11:02
ZogG_laptopit will coz that htc would remove it11:02
ZogG_laptopi think Jobs rest in piece =)11:03
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ZogG_laptopin the time we get to Hell, he'll be boss their11:03
hiemanshuso many patents lol, just kill them all and let the problems solve itself :P11:03
ZogG_laptoppatent trolling is such a stupid thing11:03
Jeffrey04that's a bit ridiculous :/11:04
ZogG_laptopi'll make patent on phone to make calls11:04
ZogG_laptopi'll be rith11:04
ZogG_laptopdamn how you spell it11:04
hiemanshuI'll make a patent on farting!11:04
ZogG_laptophiemanshu: there was patent on masturbation btw =)11:04
hiemanshurich :P11:05
ZogG_laptopi don't get those judges who approves those patents11:06
ZogG_laptopi'll make patent on phone showing date and time11:07
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Jeffrey04patent on sending nonsense messages through NFC LOL11:17
ZogG_laptoppatent on using LOL on phone11:22
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ZogG_laptopwith those systems just take any opensource make patent and than make a profit from other developer13:23
Appiahreminds me of Tandberg trying to patent stuff from x26413:26
ZogG_laptopreminds me Apple13:26
ZogG_laptopwe call it facetime, imessage i cloud13:27
ZogG_laptopiAnything - we made it13:27
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: ping13:27
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X-FadeZogG_laptop: Yep13:29
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: the garage project i told before, the guy says "but it is already have Build-Depends:...,libqt4-dev... The log file says its installing it (maemo)"13:31
X-FadeZogG_laptop: check how other packages do it?13:32
ZogG_laptopand for apps.formeego - he said "meego publish request #3772"13:32
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: after i build package on obs, how do i publish it to ?13:33
X-FadeZogG_laptop: Check he link I gave you ;)13:34
X-FadeHis submit was stuck btw, due to some network issue we had yesterday.13:35
AppiahNice to see some more applications poping up13:35
Appiahon apps.formeego.org13:35
Appiahgotta finish up applying as tester..13:35
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: so does he need to re-request submit or you can do it manually?13:36
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X-FadeZogG_laptop: No, but he needs to setup his project properly.13:38
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X-FadeZogG_laptop: As he didn't not build the app.13:38
X-FadeZogG_laptop: He needs to add the proper repository as described in the submit wiki page.13:39
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: i feel like a pipe, would try to convince him to visit IRC13:40
X-FadeZogG_laptop: Sounds like a plan :) You are way to good for him.13:41
ZogG_laptoplol what?13:41
X-FadeYou're an enabler for his lazyness :)13:42
ZogG_laptopmeh you have to see it the other way around13:42
ZogG_laptophe satisfied with n9apps and ovi and googlecode to put his packages, while i do carry about proper place where all apps are avilable13:43
ZogG_laptopso i convinced 2 developers already to put there apps there...13:43
X-FadeThat is good :)13:43
ZogG_laptopcalendar-feed is already in testing13:44
X-FadeIs already in apps even.13:44
ZogG_laptopand that guy is nice guy and has 3 apps, hebrew keyboars, waze and israel radio app13:45
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: you see, i'm not that good as developer but i do care =) at least more than Nokia =P13:45
X-FadeZogG_laptop: I can fix his project setup. But maybe it is better to let him do it himself?13:46
ZogG_laptopi tried to build my app as well by wiki but got errors,  but my app is alpha of alpha so i'm not in a hurry13:47
X-FadeZogG_laptop: Well, it is a wiki. If something is unclear in there, we can fix it :)13:48
X-FadeZogG_laptop: For me it is al very obvious of course, so having another view is always good.13:48
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: meh, i think it was more my fault as i used it as "monkey sees - monkey does"13:48
ZogG_laptopi need to start working with scratchbox i think to understand things better13:49
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: he would try it tomorrow night again =)13:56
X-FadeZogG_laptop: Hehe ok, cool :)13:57
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griIt seems ovi forces me to use evil code because good code does not fit their content guidelines:
cyrus_N9does nokia changes the phone with crack above the camera? from forum I knee that it is very popular hw failure..15:03
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ZogG_laptopcyrus_N9: it's not exactly hw but it's technical failure15:05
cos^any ideas why my app has updated version in ovi store, but the update manager doesn't show it?15:05
gricos^: use the ovi store, this will show the update15:05
X-Fadecos^: Because that one doesn't show apps from ovi.15:05
ZogG_laptopcyrus_N9: and forum i *know* as "knee" reminds me "than i got an arrow in my knee"15:05
cos^and please don't tell me ovi needs user to manually update everything15:06
grithey do since ovi is stupid15:06
* gri hates them now15:06
cos^o\ how can nokia fail so much15:06
ZogG_laptopcos^: by update manager you mean? ...15:06
cos^ZogG_laptop: settings/applications thing, or the one which shows "updates available" in activities screen15:06
ZogG_laptopgri: cos^ if you have apps for free it would be nice to have them in, ask X-fade he is a fan of that project =)15:07
cyrus_N9ZogG_laptop, what do u mean technical?15:07
X-FadeAnd in other news. We finally got the same aegis credentials als ovi :D15:07
ZogG_laptopcos^: if you intall app and in same time you click update an other one and it adds to quequ than you'll it it in manager btw15:08
griZogG_laptop: I can't publish to apps for meego yet since it requires remote compiling and I compile a secret token into my application to reduce abuse of my server api15:08
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: not for testing right?15:08
X-FadeZogG_laptop: We can decide that ourselves.15:08
X-FadeStill need to enable it, struggling with some issues still.15:09
ZogG_laptopgri: it's simple - do not show source code or do not include one file with token, X-Fade is it possible?15:09
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: but i'm happy alrady15:09
grithe source code is public, just the token is not15:09
ZogG_laptopgri: as far as i saw you can "not publish" your code15:12
cos^ZogG_laptop: ok.. i think i'll upload to apps.formeego.org15:12
ZogG_laptopgri: just in deb make to include everything except th single file with token15:12
griX-Fade: can you confirm this?15:12
ZogG_laptopcos^: thanks =) as well as it has client and it does have buildin update notifing s it's simply repo so it uses natife update notifing15:13
X-Fadegri: What?15:13
cos^i can't believe nokia has failed ovi store so much. they really expect people to manually update each app?15:13
ZogG_laptopgri: you can make project and before uploading check it yourself15:13
griX-Fade: can I compile something on obs and not publish the source?15:14
ZogG_laptopcos^: as well as install manually app by app after OTA update15:14
X-Fadegri: No15:16
X-FadeWe are opensource only.15:16
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ZogG_laptopX-Fade: but i saw not - not to publish the project or in publish it means to push it to repos?15:17
griX-Fade: Well, the source is available. The program is a client/server. To reduce abuse of my server I want to make sure that only the package I compiled can be used with my server. If one compiles the package himself, he/she also needs to setup a own server15:17
X-Fadegri: Then you are out of luck.15:18
X-Fadegri: Because we publish your source.15:18
ZogG_laptopgri: btw have you seen the bug about signon-oauth2 ?15:18
griZogG_laptop: which bug?15:18
X-Fadegri: And it is easy to branch a package on OBS.15:19
griX-Fade: Ok, then apps for meego is a no-go for me until I change that behavior15:19
_MeeGoBot_Bug 492 nor, Normal, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, RESO POSTPONED, signon-oauth2 (liboauth2) on harmattan15:19
X-Fadegri: Can't you just work with accounts?15:19
ZogG_laptopbut i didn't get why they moved it to SDK and made it postpone, like they can't add it to nokia harmattan repo without including to PR ?15:20
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griX-Fade: you mean the accounts framework on the phone? I already use it but it's something different15:20
X-Fadegri: I mean on your web service.15:21
X-Fadegri: Then it doesn't really matter where the app comes from?15:21
griX-Fade: then users would have to register at the service. The service only takes a job for the phone and executes it15:22
X-Fadegri: Extracting any token or whatever is easy when you monitor traffic. So it is not secure anyway.15:23
griX-Fade: sure but more secure than having it plaintext in the source15:23
X-Fadegri: I don't think so. It only takes one person to post it on the forum or so.15:24
X-Fadegri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.15:24
griwell it was not made to stay forever but currently it's the only way15:25
auenfthe plugins will still require a user/pass to send tho right?15:25
griauenf: yes15:25
griauenf: if you use a wrong token, the server denies your request; if you have the right one it does the job and you still need login credentials15:25
auenfso its a load issue you are trying to avoid with outside sends?15:26
griso for anyone abusing the server it would be much more easy to simply compile the server on his own computer15:26
griauenf: right15:26
ZogG_laptopgri: can't you make that app actually getting token from server?15:26
ZogG_laptopgri like oauth or xauth or whaatever?15:26
griZogG_laptop: then I could also leave it out15:26
grioauth also includes an secret token15:26
ZogG_laptopgri: right, i'll publish my, as i don't care =)15:27
ZogG_laptopF the systems that are bad for opensource by default15:27
ZogG_laptoplike not bad but opensource are bad for them15:27
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ZogG_laptophm how does push notifications work?16:28
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ZogG_laptophow does it have to have nokia account being connected to be able to get those16:29
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corecodehow do i add a progress bar in qt designer/qt quick app?16:51
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hiemanshucorecode: using qt components?17:01
corecodesomehow the designer doesn't work here17:03
corecodedoesn't have all items it should have17:04
corecodeno label nor button for example17:04
hiemanshuyou have to write the code by hand yes17:05
corecodeso what's up with the designer then?17:05
hiemanshuits useless for most of the QML stuff17:06
corecodenot even the demo stuff works17:06
corecodei mean.. label doesn't work?17:07
corecodehow is that possible17:07
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jonninobody uses designer to dev apps, usually qml is edited by hand.17:24
jonnidesigner is improveing though, so maybe in futre releases its more usable17:25
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TSCHAKeeeis it possible to make widgets that will show up on the Lock screen?21:16
* TSCHAKeee wants more than a "Notification"21:16
daniel_olike text messages do?21:17
mgedmin"remember the milk"21:18
TSCHAKeeeI want to place a transport control on the lock screen21:18
mgedminI'd love for lpmcustomizer to be able to render a simple short text message21:19
TSCHAKeeeso I can do some things like play/pause/ff/rew video/tv/audio etc inside the system21:19
TSCHAKeee(and yes, I am writing way more than a piece of crap simple LIRC remote)21:19
TSCHAKeeeand yes, sorry, replace m. with www. in the first link...21:22
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npmwow i had my lumia 800 on for about one minute and it already wants me to reboot21:25
npm(to switch languages)21:25
Mekn9 needs to reboot for that too21:30
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RST38hnpm: does it show the blue screen of death?21:39
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kimjuI powered the lumia up, selected language, rebooted and was presented with 30+ screenfulls of EULA. didn't feel like reading that, so powered the phone down and put back in the box.21:41
TSCHAKeeewill Qt apps run on the Lumia?21:47
nix-cyrusTSCHAKeee: afaik there was a qt port to wp7..21:48
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TSCHAKeeenix-cyrus: no, there's not.22:03
* TSCHAKeee is very angry that Nokia basically left a whole legion of Qt developers out to dry22:04
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TSCHAKeeemy problem is, I have millions of lines of C++ code22:06
TSCHAKeeemost of it is not UI code22:06
TSCHAKeeemost of it implements a very complex messaging system22:06
TSCHAKeeethat would take years to port to something else.22:07
RST38hTSCHAKeee: Just wait. The Beast has promised a native SDK of sorts22:07
TSCHAKeeeRST38h: but will it work for legal app deployment?22:07
RST38hOtherwise, this C# based contraption of theirs is going to be useless for development22:07
TSCHAKeeethat's the big question.22:07
RST38hIf they release it themselves, then why not?22:07
TSCHAKeeeRST38h: it's my understanding that code deployed in the app store must be managed code22:08
TSCHAKeeenot native code.22:08
TSCHAKeeeI do not like the fact that i have to tell a user to go through an extra set of steps just to install an app22:08
TSCHAKeeeI know YOU don't care, most hackers don't. But I am a hacker, and I DO care about user experience..and little things like that piss users off.22:09
TSCHAKeeeand yes, I am raising a stink about an app, that I give away, because it is a reflection on myself and my project.22:09
RST38hTSCHAK: Ok, here is a little bit of info22:09
RST38hMicrosoft is known to have a native SDK for WP7 and make it available for "valuable" partners (i.e. not either of us) who absolutely required it to release their stuff22:10
RST38hThis includes large game companies, Adobe, etc22:10
TSCHAKeeeyup i figured.22:11
RST38hThe native SDK is known as ISIS, I think, and should be more or less standard WinCE affair22:11
Richlvso... better concentrate on n9 ? :)22:11
RST38hThere are rumors that ISIS will be made available for everyone under some name or the other the next year22:11
TSCHAKeeeI already am...for the....two people who will use this app :P22:11
* RST38h does Android nowadays. Lots of users (mostly not very bright ones though :() and there is an NDK22:12
TSCHAKeeewe are also doing an android port using Necessitas...but we're being bit in the ass how we need to store resources..we're overflowing quite a bit.22:12
RST38hSatisfaction wise though, it is nothing compared to Maemo community22:12
TSCHAKeeeyeah, I love the Maemo community22:12
TSCHAKeeealways have22:12
* RST38h will honestly try to do WP7 porting, but only if he gets the native SDK22:15
RST38hNo native - no doughnut22:15
TSCHAKeeei have way too much code that needs it22:15
TSCHAKeeeand we've standardized on a qml engine22:15
RST38hNot to mention WP7 having 0 market penetration22:15
TSCHAKeeeit's odd isn't it?22:15
RST38hAt least, by screwing with the green robot you have a chance of earning some money22:16
TSCHAKeeei've seen... i can count on one hand, the # of windows phones in the street.22:16
RST38hTSCHAK: Why is it odd?22:16
TSCHAKeeei would have expected it to have SOME market penetration22:16
TSCHAKeeebut i guess, it's just more of the same since Windows CE22:16
RST38hWell, it has *some* :)22:16
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TSCHAKeeewhere microsoft has consistently missed the point, since 199622:16
RST38hBut it is pretty sad looking, with these huge ugly rectangles, vintage CGA colors, and hard limits on what user can do22:17
RST38hMore like a feature phone22:17
TSCHAKeeeI love Harmattan22:17
TSCHAKeeeit is beautiful beyond words22:17
TSCHAKeeeand with that, I have to pack up the laptop22:18
TSCHAKeeeairport to catch22:18
* SpeedEvil waves.22:18
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DocScrutinizerI realized a few hours ago (well maybe one) that HARM actually looks pretty much like WindowsPhone7, just like hooker800 is a twin of N922:25
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jonnijust wondering what colors lumia comes, ie what color to choose :)22:27
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jonniblack, cyan and magenda seems to be the options22:29
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RST38hmagenta is otherwise known as pink, after some approximation22:29
jonniI guess I'll take cyan then.22:30
* RST38h really prefers black, but this whole Lumia thing reminds him of the mermaid joke22:31
Richlvjonni, as per your suggestion, i reinstalled aegis-ovi-source-policy and nokia-codesigning-keyring - that still didn't make store downloads work22:32
Richlveven did a "safety" reboot, nothing22:32
jonniwhats the error message during install then?22:32
Richlvjonni, nothing. i can click/tap the download button, but nothing happens22:32
Richlvi could work for nokia qa, i guess. out of 2 phone upgrades 100% broken rate :>22:33
Richlv(different breakage even)22:33
RST38h"If you purchased something online from a mobile device in December, there's a 92% chance you used an iPad or iPhone. And if so, you probably spent more money than someone making an online purchase with an Android or a desktop computer."22:34
npmhowcome the nokia maps app on lumia looks just like n8's ?? is it qt based??22:34
RST38hruns on simulated symbian! =)22:34
* Richlv wonders why is that spanish prostitute a topic here that often =)22:35
RST38hspaniards say the word is not being used this way, at least not in .SP22:35
Richlvit's supposedly some region only22:36
Richlvstill, nice touch/message from the marketing team :D22:36
Richlvi don't want to reflash that phone :/22:38
Richlvis there any logfile for the store app ?22:40
jonniRichlv: and you checked apt cache dir that there are no partitials in there, and also have tried that sms download?22:43
Richlvjonni, didn't check cache, trying sms download right now22:44
Richlvwould i be checking /var/cache/apt/archives/partial ?22:45
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Richlvit has some files, but there are two games, apnews and userguide-content22:45
Richlvnothing else22:45
Richlv/var/cache/apt/archives has both aegis-ovi-source-policy and nokia-codesigning-keyring22:46
jonniapt-get --reinstall install ovistoreclient22:46
jonniand could also try "apt-get clean"22:47
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Richlvjonni, thanks, ovistoreclient reinstall didn't seem to help, will try clean & reinstall all 3 of them, i guess22:51
Richlvjonni, nope, unortunately no difference22:56
jonnior maybe you need to reinstall package manager, but really wierd22:56
Richlvunfortunately, of course22:57
Richlvthere is no cli ovi store client, i guess :)22:57
Richlvthat could at least show some error22:57
Richlvhmm, can i run ovistoreclient via ssh -Y or something ?22:58
Richlvmaybe it prints something to the console...22:58
jonniapt-get --reinstall install package-manager22:58
Richlvok. anything after that (like reinstalling ovistoreclient again ?)22:59
jonnireinstalling once should be enough for any package22:59
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Richlvright, just thought that there might be some dep23:00
Richlvwell, still nothing :(23:01
jonniare you using wifi or 3g?23:01
Richlv(i just restarted store client, not the whole phone)23:01
jonnisince there are some issues if your behind wifi which has nat, which makes downloading not working23:01
Richlvit works on another, identical n9 sitting next to the problematic one23:02
jonniyou could try 3g to see if its wifis fault23:02
kimjumy n950 seems to lose wifi connection constantly, about 10 min is longest time it works at a time23:03
Richlvboth same version of fw23:03
kimju3g works much better23:03
jonniRichlv: but ifts behind nat, store might block the other :)23:04
Richlvwell, to verify i just started downloading the same app that fails on one on the other one - that succeeded23:04
Richlvjonni, erm, why would it do that... so it would block everybody but one person in a cafe with a public wifi, for example ?23:05
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jonniare you using same ovistore username on both?23:05
corecodeis that PR1.2 on navifirm the official one?23:05
corecodedid anything start updating via OTA yet?23:05
jonnithere is no PR1.2 yes23:05
infobotjonni meant: there is no PR1.2 yet23:06
Richlvjonni, no, two different ovi store accounts23:06
Richlvi could try relogging to it, maybe...23:06
jonnicorecode: whats the filename in navifirm?23:06
jonniRichlv: maybe try reloggin, or logging in with the username from working phone23:07
Richlvdon't see a relogin option. i could try deleting that account & cadding it again, maybe23:08
corecode22.2011.44.2 they say23:08
jonni22.2011 = PR1.1.123:08
Richlvit threatens me that all content related to the account will be deleted. what does that include ? :)23:09
jonniso thats not PR1.223:09
jonniPR1.1.1 is only for asian market.23:09
corecodeand 1.1.1 is nothing big?23:09
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javispedrohave again a n950 =)23:19
javispedrohow believable are those tmo rumours of increased battery consumption when dev mode is enabled? tbh I cannot think of a way to ensure23:20
javispedro... mainly because without dev mode I cannot install any of the reasonable battery monitoring apps...23:20
DocScrutinizererr, there are pretty decent tools to do what we did with on maemo/N90023:21
javispedrosee above, it's kinda of a chicken and egg problem23:21
jonnijavispedro: dev mode doesnt install any running servers, so should not affect battery comsumption at all23:21
javispedrothat's what I'd think..23:21
DocScrutinizerwell, how's about sshd?23:22
DocScrutinizernfc if it wuns in !dev23:22
DocScrutinizeranyway hooker800 is as dead a brick as N9 when standby time display screen disabled23:23
javispedropft, hooker800 is awful tbh23:23
javispedroI am yet to put a sim into it, or to configure a wifi network, and it has hanged and selfrebooted a few times already23:24
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DocScrutinizerI was pleased to notice that the manual for N9 will tell me how to disassemble hooker as well ;-P23:24
javispedrohalf of the applications in the hooker800 have a page long EULA23:24
javispedrospecially annoying is that a few times the hooker800 has hanged on boot (!)23:25
kimjuI gave up at the eula presented at first boot23:27
DocScrutinizerwell, N9 at least has a white LED to indicate charging23:27
javispedrothe initial impressions from the amoled screen were quite bad here23:28
javispedroI am however getting used to the weird looking fonts23:28
DocScrutinizerso all four are sitting here now, sorted down-to-top regarding "quality": hooker, next N9, next N950, and N900 on top ;-D23:29
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javispedrosave for the crapacitive screen, I do prefer the N950 by now23:31
DocScrutinizermaybe when one nice day somebody ports fremantle to it23:32
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DocScrutinizerI got like 50, 60, maybe 80 'apps' installed on N900, nicely sorted via apmefo. A nightmare to think how this would look like on HARM23:34
javispedroif I were to change anything on the harm launcher, it would be to get rid of the 3 views thing and dump everything on a single long list23:35
DocScrutinizerI got my ctrl-BS task switcher rotation, even with closing apps via shift-Q/W/E/A/S/D, no way to ever see this on that HARM desktop manager23:35
javispedrojust realized btw that Fn+BS does task switch on Harm =)23:36
DocScrutinizerI got quite a number of bookmarks in microB, HARM is :-x here23:37
DocScrutinizerfor whatever metrics of taskswitching23:37
DocScrutinizerMHD FTW23:38
javispedrobtw, my rma with asus also ended this week, got that ddr3 card, but I was tired of waiting23:38
Richlvjonni, WOOT. deleted nokia store account there, added a new one (had to reset password, user had forgotten it..) - it WORKS NOW =)23:42
Richlvhaha. battery too low to install anything after all these excercises :)23:43
Richlvcome here, take a look at this usb cable...23:43
Richlvthanks for all your help, and boo to nokia store error feedback :)23:43

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