IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2011-12-23

marsje	not very motivating	00:00
jpwhiting	marsje: install qt4-qtconfig and run qconfig-qt4	00:00
jpwhiting	and change the qt theme from gtk+ to anything else	00:00
jpwhiting	I think the problem is in the style itself	00:00
marsje	jpwhiting: I'll try that... thanks for the tip	00:01
jpwhiting	as they suggest at the end of that bug	00:01
jpwhiting	np	00:01
marsje	anyway, my main problem is the messageserver on the N9 going crazy and sucking dry the battery	00:01
ZogG_laptop	gri sup	00:01
marsje	if I or nokia does not fix it, I would be pretty disappointed with my shiny new N9	00:01
marsje	still not sure what's the cause of it	00:02
jpwhiting	what e-mail accounts have you configured? messageserver is part of qt mobility, right?	00:02
jpwhiting	the email server iirc	00:03
marsje	I added a bunch of accounts and I'm not sure which one is causing the problem	00:03
marsje	but I found out that if I disable all of them, I have no problem	00:03
marsje	but a phone with everything disabled is no fun...	00:03
marsje	it might be my own IMAP account	00:04
marsje	it uses a ssl cert from cacart.org and I haven't seen the n9 asking me if I trust it	00:04
ZogG_laptop	mardy, gri, filled bugs 492 and 493 =)	00:04
marsje	so maybe this is not handled well	00:04
jpwhiting	marsje: sounds likely	00:04
jpwhiting	have you tried enabling the other accounts but not that one?	00:05
marsje	I tried adding the root cert from cacert.org but not sure if that worked	00:05
marsje	yeah, this is what I have to do now... but the problem so far only appeared when I'm at work	00:05
marsje	so it might be related to the company firewall or something	00:05
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marsje	but whatever it is, message server is not supposed to use 99% cpu time for hours	00:06
jonni	just kill/restart the process	00:06
marsje	jonni: doesn't help	00:07
marsje	it restarts and starts to use 99% again	00:07
jonni	and your running PR1.1	00:07
marsje	well, maybe not 99%, but more than 60% for sure	00:07
jonni	I remember seeing bug/fix in some bugzilla, but dont remember the details anymore.	00:07
marsje	PR_#41	00:08
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marsje	PR_341	00:08
marsje	10.2011.34-1.341.01.2_PR_341 to be exact	00:08
jonni	thats PR1.0, 1st I would suggest upgrading to PR1.1 since in there bunch of message server bugs were fixed	00:09
marsje	yikes	00:09
marsje	well, this is my other problem	00:10
marsje	although I ordered at a Dutch shop, I seem to have a Polish version made for Orange	00:10
marsje	so far, no updates yet	00:10
marsje	if anyone can help me upgrade, I would be very grateful	00:11
jonni	well random operator variants updates started rolling few days ago, so you might want to go to application manager and check for updates	00:11
jonni	or connect your phone to PC which has NSU installed.	00:11
marsje	update check on the phone says my phone is up to date	00:12
marsje	what is NSU?	00:12
ZogG_laptop	marsje: do you have windows?	00:12
marsje	and does it work on linux?	00:12
marsje	no....	00:12
jonni	NokiaSoftwareUpdate for windows	00:12
ZogG_laptop	just wanted to say NSU	00:12
marsje	why do I need windows to update a linux phone?	00:13
jonni	windows client which installs the firmware update	00:13
marsje	great...	00:13
Clint	is this reason i don't get any caller id names on incoming calls or could it be something else? https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=108	00:13
_MeeGoBot_	Bug 108 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Support CNAP (callerid name presentation)	00:13
marsje	will try and abuse my win7 work laptop for that then	00:13
jonni	(and lastly the not endorsed way is to use virtualbox/navifirm to download the image to linux and flash with flasher, forums have instructions)	00:14
marsje	what's so special about NSU that can't be done on linux?	00:14
marsje	jonni: heard about it... how dangerous is it?	00:15
ajalkane	marsje: nothing, just no one has done the application for linux	00:15
jonni	only special thing is that NSU client is only available on Windows currently... (well betalabs is another story). But flasher binary is available on win,linux and mac.	00:15
marsje	what's the difference between nsu and flasher?	00:16
ZogG_laptop	jonni: there was nothing or linux ever =( except console flasher	00:16
luke-jr	any of you guys have an unlocked N9(50)?	00:16
ZogG_laptop	it was enuf for maemo, but i would prefer to have proper program	00:17
jonni	marsje: nsu downloads and flashes the image, flasher can only flash but cannot download	00:17
marsje	does it use the same images and sources?	00:17
ZogG_laptop	i can download myself	00:17
jonni	luke-jr: all the N9(50) are unlocked, I havent heard anyone having a locked one	00:17
luke-jr	jonni: no, they're all locked by default	00:17
luke-jr	maybe not the cellmo, but the CPU	00:18
jonni	luke-jr: nope, there is no sim lock, if they would be a lot cheaper	00:18
ajalkane	marsje: flasher has the image with it, NSU downloads the image from Nokia servers. Some people claim it downloads it by illegal means.	00:18
luke-jr	I don't mean SIM	00:18
ajalkane	luke-jr: you mean Open Kernel mode?	00:19
jonni	99.9% mean SIM when they ask about locked.	00:19
luke-jr	ajalkane: sure	00:19
jonni	I've tested open mode kernel, but not using it anymore, since everything can be done in secure mode kernel too	00:19
luke-jr	jonni: everything?	00:20
jonni	luke-jr: well atleast on the N9 devices that I have	00:20
ZogG_laptop	jonni: except led and probably a lot more	00:20
ajalkane	Well, I can't get DeviceModeControl credentials with "secure mode kernel"	00:20
luke-jr	jonni: wget http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps2 && chmod +x gps2 && ./gps2	00:20
jonni	ZogG_laptop: I have led capability on unknown origin in secure mode too :)	00:20
ajalkane	I surely will like to try the open mode kernel once it matures. But I don't have the time to be in the front lines :(	00:21
ZogG_laptop	jonni: how so?	00:21
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jonni	ajalkane: there is a way to get those credentials too, but you need to do some tricks to gain them.	00:21
luke-jr	jonni: …	00:22
jonni	running unknown origin binaries without seeing to sources in my phone? must be joking :)	00:22
ajalkane	jonni: and are those tricks something you can distribute to end users, via either Ovi Store or Apps For Meego ?	00:22
luke-jr	jonni: append .c to URI for sources ;)	00:22
luke-jr	ie http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps2.c	00:23
jonni	ajalkane: well not really, since you would need exploit things that would be fixed in future releases.	00:24
luke-jr	jonni: so can you run that plz?	00:25
ajalkane	jonni: ok thanks, but then it's quite useless at least for me.	00:25
ajalkane	At least if and when open mode kernel works, I could distribute an application that would work as intended for those who installed open kernel	00:25
jonni	yep, its only usefull if you want to do stuff in your own personal device, but for software distribution no luck, most likely policy will never allow it	00:25
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ajalkane	If I've understood correctly, you can check what credentials are available for the application in run-time, so you could nicely disable/enable functionality based on whether open kernel was running	00:26
ajalkane	It's of course something I'd rather not do, doing separate code paths like that, but seems like it's the only solution.	00:27
luke-jr	jonni: or tell me how you'd get it past the DRM nonsense, so DocScrutinizer can run it? :P	00:27
jonni	ajalkane: yep you can easily check if your app is running in open mode vs secure mode	00:29
jonni	luke-jr: just wondering why are you doing that in hard way when there is mobility api for all the gps stuff	00:30
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luke-jr	jonni: because I'm implementing it in gpsd.	00:30
luke-jr	natively.	00:30
luke-jr	for systems without mobility api nonsense	00:30
marsje	argh	00:35
marsje	when I check my imap mail on my n9 is says: connecting to server	00:36
marsje	and then nothing happens at all	00:36
jonni	luke-jr: gps2: gps2.c:90: main: Assertion `sck >= 0' failed.	00:36
marsje	I tried tcpdump and nothing is there	00:36
marsje	I see this in my syslog... any idea?	00:36
marsje	Dec 22 23:34:55 (2011) mce[551]: mce-io.c:mce_close_file(): Failed to close `/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-004b/wait_for_gesture'; Device or resource busy	00:36
marsje	Dec 22 23:34:56 (2011) Msgindexer[1560]: [Debug] Notifications : MessageIndexer::switchEmailMode( false )	00:36
marsje	Dec 22 23:34:56 (2011) Msgindexer[1560]: [Debug] Notifications : Notifications are enabled	00:36
luke-jr	jonni: that means DRM blocked it	00:37
jonni	whats the socket name, just checking the groups	00:37
luke-jr	jonni: I think dmesg can confirm	00:37
luke-jr	socket name?	00:37
luke-jr	it's a phonet socket	00:37
luke-jr	which don't have names afaik	00:38
luke-jr	maybe phonet0	00:38
jonni	no error messages on dmesg	00:38
luke-jr	O.o	00:38
luke-jr	http://paste.debian.net/149961/ <-- what DocScrutinizer got	00:39
jonni	well that comes if you run it without credentials	00:40
luke-jr	jonni: is your cellmo online?	00:40
jonni	luke-jr: should be, since I can make phonecalls	00:40
luke-jr	hmmm	00:40
luke-jr	you're running it as root, right?	00:40
* luke-jr wonders why else one might be unable to open a phonet socket		00:40
jonni	yes, usually that error happes if socket is not owned by root	00:41
jonni	thats why I was asking that what would be the filedescriptor for it	00:41
luke-jr	that assert means it failed to open, so didn't get a fd	00:42
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luke-jr	s/open/create the socket/	00:42
infobot	luke-jr meant: that assert means it failed to create the socket, so didn't get a fd	00:42
jonni	where are AF_PHONET, SOCK_DGRAM defined?	00:43
luke-jr	sys/socket.h I think	00:43
luke-jr	possibly <linux/phonet.h> for AF_PHONET	00:43
luke-jr	does `ifconfig -a` show phonet0 ?\	00:44
* luke-jr begins to wonder if N9 doesn't use phonet anymore ._.		00:44
jonni	yes it does	00:44
luke-jr	hmmmmmm	00:44
luke-jr	how about regular `ifconfig`?	00:44
jonni	yes its shows it up	00:44
* luke-jr scratches his head.		00:45
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: on the way to get gentoo there as well?	00:45
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: well, my project is still Gentoo on N900; I just need to know if the gpsd driver is "phonet" or "n900"-specific ;)	00:45
luke-jr	so trying to figure out if N9 uses the same protocol or not	00:45
ZogG_laptop	jonni: so how did you succeed to use led on unknon origins?	00:45
luke-jr	jonni: how about another approach-- can you tcpdump phonet0?	00:46
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: is it avilable on harmattan i mean tcpdump?	00:46
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: dunno	00:47
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ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: it is	00:48
jonni	yes tcpdump works and its capturing stuff	00:48
luke-jr	jonni: if you get an opportunity, could you make phonet0 more or less quiet, and tcpdump just the GPS for a bit?	00:49
luke-jr	(then I can just look at that and see if it's the same protocol)	00:49
luke-jr	to write to a file, tcpdump -s0 -w /tmp/pcap	00:49
ZogG_laptop	why -s0?	00:50
luke-jr	by default, tcpdump truncates packets to just headers	00:50
ZogG_laptop	-i phonet0 ?	00:50
luke-jr	yeah, that might help too :D	00:50
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: btw, if you/anyone actually does want Gentoo on N9, I'd be willing to do it if someone sends me one-- they're not available here at all	00:51
jonni	sorry cant do that atleast on my main phone	00:51
ZogG_laptop	i didn't used it too much but i used it as tcpdump -i ethx port 5060 -w file	00:51
ZogG_laptop	maybe added size as well	00:51
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: neither in y country and no i have no time fr that =(	00:52
luke-jr	>_<	00:52
marsje	ZogG_laptop: should the filter be the last arguments?	00:52
marsje	I mean, you put it in the middle	00:52
luke-jr	jonni: how about mixed with other stuff?	00:52
jonni	tcpdump works on any N9 device though so anyone with N9 can do it	00:52
ZogG_laptop	the guy who is porting android to n900 wanted to write uboot and port it to n950 but didn't get one )	00:53
luke-jr	jonni: btw, you tested tcpdump on -i phonet0 ?	00:53
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: yeah, me either.	00:53
jonni	luke-jr: yes tested with -i phonet0	00:53
ZogG_laptop	marsje: filter you mean port?	00:53
luke-jr	jonni: k, ty for the assistance	00:53
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: you have no n950?	00:53
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: nope	00:53
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ZogG_laptop	me too	00:53
marsje	ZogG_laptop: yes	00:54
daniel_o	uhh... the twitter design just changed O.o	00:54
jonni	too much confidential passwords and email sync on the device, so not dumping in there :)	00:54
ZogG_laptop	i was 3rd in least after last and i bet i wouldnt get one anyway	00:54
ZogG_laptop	marsje: it is last after	00:54
luke-jr	jonni: I don't think those go over phonet0 anyway :p	00:54
ZogG_laptop	jonni: change the network use 123 bug for the good =)	00:55
luke-jr	… also, why aren't you using TLS? :P	00:55
ZogG_laptop	btw it wouldn't if you have wifi connected i think	00:55
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: even if you're using the modem for GPRS, that'd go over gprs0 ;)	00:57
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: han why u need dump?	00:59
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: to look at the GPS protocol	01:00
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ZogG_laptop	but why not gprs0?	01:01
luke-jr	GPS doesn't use gprs0	01:02
ZogG_laptop	oh right	01:02
ZogG_laptop	it just looks familiuar and i got confused	01:02
ZogG_laptop	lemme check something i may give u dump	01:03
ZogG_laptop	setting wireshark first	01:03
ZogG_laptop	emerging =)	01:03
marsje	gentoo?	01:04
ZogG_laptop	but only if you do not give it to anyone and wouldn't use any personal info if u find it there	01:04
ZogG_laptop	marsje: funtoo	01:04
marsje	I once tried gentoo and it's like having electronic appliances with transparent covers	01:05
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: ?	01:05
gabriel9	gentoo users are strange	01:05
ZogG_laptop	marsje: it's more intuitive than ubuntu for sure	01:05
marsje	it's cool... but all that compiling what not what I needed	01:05
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: I thought you didn't have one?	01:05
marsje	I tired of ubuntu	01:05
luke-jr	marsje: so use binary packages	01:05
gabriel9	try Arch	01:06
gabriel9	it's good	01:06
luke-jr	maybe someday.	01:06
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: i bought n9 from people that know people orm usa that actaullyy as i understand from canada that is from asia )	01:06
ZogG_laptop	arch is mess	01:06
luke-jr	o.O	01:06
ZogG_laptop	tried it	01:06
marsje	hear good things about arch, but I'm a debian/ubuntu person	01:06
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: I can keep your info private, yes	01:06
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: but note that the pcap has to be done on N9, not on wherever you put Wireshark :p	01:07
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: wait i'll lurk in it first myself	01:07
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: Wireshark doesn't really understand phonet ;)	01:07
marsje	I see so many scary things in my syslog....	01:07
ZogG_laptop	to delete all porns places ic checked in porsquare )	01:07
luke-jr	like I said, phonet0 has no real network traffic :P	01:07
gabriel9	Well the only distro that works for me	01:08
luke-jr	(though I don't endorse anyone viewing porn, private or not…)	01:08
marsje	anyone knows where this comes from and what it has to do with my email account? mce-io.c:mce_close_file(): Failed to close `/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-004b/wait_for_gesture'; Device or resource busy	01:08
ZogG_laptop	what's wrong with it?	01:08
ZogG_laptop	marsje: i have this too no connection to mail	01:09
ZogG_laptop	it's sensor i think	01:09
ZogG_laptop	of screen or light maybe	01:09
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ZogG_laptop	as i2c in kernell is for sensors afaik and i had it when screen goes off i think	01:10
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: I need to go eat supper w/ fam, but I can take a look at pcap when I get back	01:10
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: also, the GPS obviously needs to be running during the capture	01:10
luke-jr	ideally with a fix	01:10
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: your email?	01:10
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: luke+harmattan@dashjr.org ;)	01:10
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: i turned on foursquare but i was indoors	01:11
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marsje	cool to see that IPv6 works	01:22
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: sent you, i think it has no info, but we could try more tomorrow or day after night	01:23
ZogG_laptop	marsje: where?	01:23
marsje	anyone knows how I can use a proxy for email?	01:23
marsje	ZogG_laptop: on my n9	01:23
marsje	ZogG_laptop: after installing the ipv6enabler package	01:24
ZogG_laptop	oky, i'll leave it for tomorrow	01:24
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: I think you had no GPS fix during the capture?	01:41
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Richlv	arrgh. one n9 failed to launch devel-su after pgrade. another can't install any apps, which seems to be quite common - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80349&page=2	01:52
Richlv	wtf id wrong with all that, i'd hope they could make the upgrade process that doesn't mess up that often :/	01:52
Richlv	(is)	01:52
Richlv	i seriously don't want to reflash another device. out of 2 devices that's a 100% failure rate when upgrading :(	01:53
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ieatlint	yeah, i've had an n9 and an n950 die on the pr1.1 upgrade	02:14
ieatlint	it doesn't upgrade well	02:14
ieatlint	but look on the bright side, with nokia's plans for meego, you won't have to worry about updates	02:14
daniel_o	ieatlint: hahaha :D	02:17
beford	I had to flash after reseting the device Richlv, unable to install apps	02:40
daniel_o	did someone try nokia pulse yet?	02:57
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jonni	Richlv: you dont need to reflash necessarily, you can use rescue kernel to bootup once, and change developer uid to be 0, and then reboot to normal mode, and use developer account to reinstall busybox-develsu packages.	08:30
jonni	(that is possible because etc/passwd is not protected by aegis)	08:32
jonni	most of the errors can be solved without reflashing.	08:36
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psycho_oreos	jonni, you have N9?	08:47
ieatlint	you can also just flash the fw without flashing the mmc, so you don't really lose data	08:48
rwhitby	G'day everyone. Kernel and open source developer from another mobile platform (I run WebOS-Internals.org), and old OpenMoko contributor here. New N9 owner. Looking for pointers on where I can start reading up on homebrew development for the N9, preferably on the Mac, alternatively on Linux.	08:51
RST38h	wiki?	08:51
ieatlint	rwhitby: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/	08:52
rwhitby	In particular, where the is GPL source code release for the open source components on this device I just got?	08:52
rwhitby	s/the is/is the/	08:52
infobot	rwhitby meant: In particular, where is the GPL source code release for the open source components on this device I just got?	08:52
rwhitby	~botsnack	08:53
infobot	thanks, rwhitby	08:53
rwhitby	Is there something like http://git.webos-internals.org/ for open source N9 development?	08:53
rwhitby	(to be clear, I'm less interested in what resources Nokia provides for app developers, and more interested in what kernel and low-level folks do outside of that sphere)	08:54
SpeedEvil	I meant to start a project documenting the n9 hardware, as I had the n900, bit this hasn't gone far.	08:56
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frals	the open source stuff is generally hosted on gitorious.org, the iso with the sources is mirrored at http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ afaiu	08:59
rwhitby	frals: perfect, thanks.	09:03
rwhitby	looks like I need to read up on this aegis this - seems there's some "interesting" things being done by Nokia in this area	09:05
rwhitby	s/aegis this/aegis thing/	09:05
infobot	rwhitby meant: looks like I need to read up on this aegis thing - seems there's some "interesting" things being done by Nokia in this area	09:05
rwhitby	frals: is there an aggregator for the items on gitorious, or just search for "N9" or "meego" stuff ?	09:08
jonni	psycho_oreos: I have few N9's and N950's	09:09
frals	rwhitby: dont think so, unfortunately, i guess finding the package name and then search for that would be the workflow that'd work	09:10
DocScrutinizer51	interesting thing regarding aegis done by nokia? EH?	09:10
psycho_oreos	jonni, a few?!?!?	09:10
rwhitby	DocScrutinizer51: hey, joerg from openmoko days?	09:11
DocScrutinizer51	yep	09:11
rwhitby	g'day - long time no see	09:11
DocScrutinizer51	hi :-)	09:11
luke-jr	(and he's working on GTA03 I hear :P)	09:12
* rwhitby is a nokia/meego/n9 newbie - please excuse the base-level requests for pointers		09:12
DocScrutinizer51	np, yw	09:13
rwhitby	luke-jr: I still have 2x GTA01 and 2x GTA02 sitting here in a drawer ;)	09:13
DocScrutinizer51	~aegis	09:13
infobot	http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif	09:13
psycho_oreos	jonni, how the hell did you managed to get a few N950? you work with nokia or something?	09:13
DocScrutinizer51	~no-aegis	09:13
infobot	i guess aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/	09:13
jonni	psycho_oreos: yes that helps ;-)	09:14
DocScrutinizer51	psycho_oreos: bingo!!	09:14
luke-jr	speaking of which, just how much of Harmattan is open?	09:14
DocScrutinizer51	afk, daywork o/	09:14
luke-jr	jonni: wanna send me a N950? :P	09:14
psycho_oreos	jonni, eh I'm jealous lol	09:15
psycho_oreos	DocScrutinizer51, bleh lol oh well	09:15
jonni	luke-jr: sorry I dont have any developer edition N950's anymore, only the R&D cert ones which cant be sent out.	09:16
luke-jr	jonni: aww	09:16
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: do you sleep at all?	09:20
DocScrutinizer51	jonni: write "DEVELOPER DEVICE Not For Sale!" on backside ;)	09:20
luke-jr	ZogG_laptop: yes	09:20
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer51: fine by me, I have no plans to sell it :P	09:21
luke-jr	as much as I hate capacitive ts, the RAM is worth it	09:21
psycho_oreos	I think if you see it from a different perspective, DocScrutinizer51 was trying to tell jonni how to get it smuggled out ;)	09:21
RST38h	Moorning, Doc, Zog, all	09:21
rwhitby	DocScrutinizer51: seems that link in ~aegis goes to a redirected page containing a list of links which all redirect back to the same page	09:21
luke-jr	psycho_oreos: oh, like that's the only difference? :P	09:22
psycho_oreos	luke-jr, well no, but for starters writing that on the back of N950 would probably make it less evident heh	09:22
DocScrutinizer51	err the nokia link, rwhitby ?	09:23
rwhitby	yeah	09:23
DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: moo	09:23
DocScrutinizer51	rwhitby: sorry, nokia tends to mess up yhat server	09:24
DocScrutinizer51	I'll check and fix in ~11h	09:24
rwhitby	DocScrutinizer51: no worries	09:24
psycho_oreos	luke-jr, did you apply for the devkit back when it was open?	09:24
DocScrutinizer51	now for LTE :-D bbl	09:24
luke-jr	psycho_oreos: yes, apparently they ignored people not doing Maemo (eg, Gentoo/me and Android)	09:25
psycho_oreos	ahh	09:25
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luke-jr	DocScrutinizer51: LTE on GTA03?	09:28
DocScrutinizer51	no gta03 planned	09:28
DocScrutinizer51	ST-E Thorium chipset modem	09:28
DocScrutinizer51	my daywork starts in 2min, so...	09:29
psycho_oreos	have fun? :)	09:30
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luke-jr	DocScrutinizer51: err, didn't you show me it a month ago?	09:30
ZogG_laptop	jonni: can you talk to your nokian friends as well for this -> https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492	09:31
_MeeGoBot_	Bug 492 nor, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, signon-oauth2 (liboauth2) on harmattan	09:31
DocScrutinizer51	luke-jr: gta04 by goldelico, no LTE on that one	09:31
luke-jr	oh right	09:31
luke-jr	4	09:31
DocScrutinizer51	afk, for good now	09:32
luke-jr	ttyl	09:32
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jonni	ZogG_laptop: that can be problematic, there is a reason why SDK only has PR1.0, even if oauth would come on some upgrade (which I'm not confirming), it doesnt help much if SDK stays PR1.0.	09:33
Richlv	jonni, ahhh. if i had known about such a possibility before, i probably would have not bricked my phone in the process :D	09:34
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Richlv	jonni, although i tried to uninstall that package using package manager and reinstall it, that didn't fix it	09:35
Richlv	so maybe somebody has an idea on what's wrong with 'download' button in that store not working after an upgrade and how it could be fixed w/o reflash ?	09:36
jonni	Richlv: that can be fixed too, ovi store problems can be fixed by reinstalling the signing keys debian package	09:36
ZogG_laptop	jonni: what is the reason of sdk keeping 1.0 ?	09:38
jonni	Richlv: apt-get --reinstall install aegis-ovi-source-policy	09:39
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jonni	Richlv: and apt-get --reinstall install nokia-codesigning-keyring	09:40
ZogG_laptop	i had this ovi problem, solved it other way	09:41
ZogG_laptop	i don't remember how but i actually solved it acidently	09:41
jonni	but basicly I had one device which didnt have signing keys after the PR1.1 upgrade, and I just reinstalled when and things started to work without reflashing	09:42
jonni	when=them	09:42
ZogG_laptop	jonni: does it involve only ovi store problem?	09:43
jonni	involved devel-su not working and ovi not working	09:43
ZogG_laptop	what i had is that download link is inactive and my stuff page has busy indicator forever	09:43
ZogG_laptop	reboots saved me till it didn't help too	09:44
ZogG_laptop	i remember how i solved it	09:44
ZogG_laptop	Richlv: log in to ovi from web	09:44
jonni	usually that is solvabe by using console apt-get or dpkg	09:44
ZogG_laptop	choose package and use send to phone via sms than click on sms link - it solved the problem for me	09:45
ZogG_laptop	can't promise anything	09:45
ZogG_laptop	jonni: if devel-su is not working how apt-get would work or user can run this too>	09:46
ZogG_laptop	?	09:46
jonni	ZogG_laptop: by booting once with rescure kernel, changing developer account uid to 0, rebooting back to normal mode, and use apt-get	09:46
jonni	rescure kernel even	09:46
ZogG_laptop	meh too compllicated	09:46
ZogG_laptop	my solution worked fine	09:47
Richlv	jonni, mmmm, thanks - will try that on the weekend when i'll get access to that device again	09:47
ZogG_laptop	and i don't care about ovi	09:47
Richlv	ZogG_laptop, in this case 'download' link/button is kinda active, but hitting it does nothing at all	09:47
ZogG_laptop	jonni: are you familiar with xauth?	09:47
Richlv	but i'll keep this as a second option if reinstalling those packages will fail, thanks	09:47
ZogG_laptop	Richlv: the link in sms is just a link that trigers ovi and it worked, before it if i went to ovi and than choosed package download button was inactive as well	09:48
DocScrutinizer51	google for 'ericsson thorium m700'	09:51
ZogG_laptop	hmm i think i need to develop transmission remote control	09:53
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ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: morning	10:05
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: Hi	10:05
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: you still one of the admins of extra-devel on garage right?	10:07
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: Yes	10:07
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: the guy i asked to build waze for extradev and apps.formeego had problem with both just wanted an advice from you	10:08
ZogG_laptop	both are buildidng in scratchbox, so if he can build on scratchbox on his computer it would build in both right?	10:08
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/waze_0.0.4/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt - that one is for garage	10:09
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ZogG_laptop	and his repo on meego's obs is closed to me to show you the error	10:10
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: The only difference is that on autobuild the scatchbox env is always clean.	10:10
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: In this case there is no qmake.	10:11
ZogG_laptop	but technically if he builds in scratchbox it would be built in garage as well? coz i think he used it as it is from qtcreator and it might be the problem	10:11
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: I think he just needs to build-depends on libqt4-dev or something like that.	10:12
ZogG_laptop	[2011-12-20 19:38:41] Try to install static depends: libqt4-dev	10:13
ZogG_laptop	[2011-12-20 19:38:41] fakeroot apt-get -y -q -o APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated=1 install --no-remove libqt4-dev </dev/null	10:13
ZogG_laptop	???	10:13
X-Fade	Or where was qmake again in fremantle.	10:13
ZogG_laptop	i dunno as never build anything for it as far as i remmember	10:14
ZogG_laptop	but what is this error about ? make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../waze/waze.pro', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.	10:16
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: and on apps.formeego as he said he got something like waiting for Qa-testing or something	10:17
ZogG_laptop	i can't see project - but it's https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=Waze&project=home%3Adamagedspline	10:17
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: It is not submitted to testing yet.	10:18
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: he needs to submit it?	10:18
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: the app is pretty stable and working	10:18
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: Point him to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Submit	10:19
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: i used tcpdump -i phonet0 -s0 -w /tmp/testdump	10:19
ZogG_laptop	luke-jr: i run it and than opened foursquare and drive and get same results	10:23
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ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: thanks btw =0	10:42
ZogG_laptop	=)	10:43
djszapi\|hu	hehe, Lumia arrived yesterday morning :)	10:51
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ZogG_laptop	here comes end to multitasking on any phone	10:53
ZogG_laptop	apple got patent for that	10:53
hiemanshu	lol	10:54
ZogG_laptop	i'm seroius	10:54
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ZogG_laptop	~google multitasking in call apple patent	10:55
ZogG_laptop	http://www.informationweek.com/byte/news/personal-tech/smart-phones/232300946	10:55
hiemanshu	ZogG_laptop: yes, but doesn't mean what yo usaid	10:56
hiemanshu	you said*	10:56
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ZogG_laptop	hiemanshu: HTC phones are banned in USA coz they get phone numbers from sms =)	10:59
hiemanshu	ZogG_laptop: no they aren't lol	11:01
hiemanshu	or they got banned now?	11:01
ZogG_laptop	now	11:01
hiemanshu	oh yeah I heard something like that	11:02
ZogG_laptop	http://www.t3.com/news/apple-patent-dispute-sees-htc-handsets-banned-in-the-us	11:02
ZogG_laptop	it will coz that htc would remove it	11:02
ZogG_laptop	i think Jobs rest in piece =)	11:03
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ZogG_laptop	in the time we get to Hell, he'll be boss their	11:03
hiemanshu	so many patents lol, just kill them all and let the problems solve itself :P	11:03
ZogG_laptop	patent trolling is such a stupid thing	11:03
Jeffrey04	that's a bit ridiculous :/	11:04
ZogG_laptop	i'll make patent on phone to make calls	11:04
ZogG_laptop	i'll be rith	11:04
ZogG_laptop	ritch	11:04
ZogG_laptop	rich	11:04
ZogG_laptop	damn how you spell it	11:04
hiemanshu	I'll make a patent on farting!	11:04
ZogG_laptop	hiemanshu: there was patent on masturbation btw =)	11:04
hiemanshu	rich :P	11:05
ZogG_laptop	i don't get those judges who approves those patents	11:06
ZogG_laptop	i'll make patent on phone showing date and time	11:07
ZogG_laptop	=)	11:07
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Jeffrey04	patent on sending nonsense messages through NFC LOL	11:17
ZogG_laptop	patent on using LOL on phone	11:22
Jeffrey04	LMAO	11:22
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ZogG_laptop	with those systems just take any opensource make patent and than make a profit from other developer	13:23
Appiah	reminds me of Tandberg trying to patent stuff from x264	13:26
ZogG_laptop	lol	13:26
ZogG_laptop	reminds me Apple	13:26
Appiah	:)	13:27
ZogG_laptop	we call it facetime, imessage i cloud	13:27
ZogG_laptop	icloud*	13:27
ZogG_laptop	iAnything - we made it	13:27
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: ping	13:27
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X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: Yep	13:29
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: the garage project i told before, the guy says "but it is already have Build-Depends:...,libqt4-dev... The log file says its installing it (maemo)"	13:31
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: check how other packages do it?	13:32
ZogG_laptop	and for apps.formeego - he said "meego publish request #3772"	13:32
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: after i build package on obs, how do i publish it to apps.formeego.org ?	13:33
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: Check he link I gave you ;)	13:34
X-Fade	*the	13:34
X-Fade	His submit was stuck btw, due to some network issue we had yesterday.	13:35
Appiah	Nice to see some more applications poping up	13:35
Appiah	on apps.formeego.org	13:35
Appiah	gotta finish up applying as tester..	13:35
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: so does he need to re-request submit or you can do it manually?	13:36
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X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: No, but he needs to setup his project properly.	13:38
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X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: As he didn't not build the app.	13:38
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: He needs to add the proper repository as described in the submit wiki page.	13:39
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: i feel like a pipe, would try to convince him to visit IRC	13:40
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: Sounds like a plan :) You are way to good for him.	13:41
ZogG_laptop	lol what?	13:41
X-Fade	You're an enabler for his lazyness :)	13:42
ZogG_laptop	meh you have to see it the other way around	13:42
ZogG_laptop	he satisfied with n9apps and ovi and googlecode to put his packages, while i do carry about proper place where all apps are avilable	13:43
ZogG_laptop	so i convinced 2 developers already to put there apps there...	13:43
X-Fade	That is good :)	13:43
ZogG_laptop	calendar-feed is already in testing	13:44
X-Fade	Is already in apps even.	13:44
ZogG_laptop	and that guy is nice guy and has 3 apps, hebrew keyboars, waze and israel radio app	13:45
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: you see, i'm not that good as developer but i do care =) at least more than Nokia =P	13:45
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: I can fix his project setup. But maybe it is better to let him do it himself?	13:46
ZogG_laptop	i tried to build my app as well by wiki but got errors, but my app is alpha of alpha so i'm not in a hurry	13:47
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: Well, it is a wiki. If something is unclear in there, we can fix it :)	13:48
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: For me it is al very obvious of course, so having another view is always good.	13:48
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: meh, i think it was more my fault as i used it as "monkey sees - monkey does"	13:48
ZogG_laptop	i need to start working with scratchbox i think to understand things better	13:49
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: he would try it tomorrow night again =)	13:56
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: Hehe ok, cool :)	13:57
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gri	It seems ovi forces me to use evil code because good code does not fit their content guidelines: https://gitorious.org/web2sms/web2sms/blobs/master/qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan/postinst#line34	15:03
cyrus_N9	does nokia changes the phone with crack above the camera? from forum I knee that it is very popular hw failure..	15:03
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ZogG_laptop	cyrus_N9: it's not exactly hw but it's technical failure	15:05
cos^	any ideas why my app has updated version in ovi store, but the update manager doesn't show it?	15:05
gri	cos^: use the ovi store, this will show the update	15:05
X-Fade	cos^: Because that one doesn't show apps from ovi.	15:05
ZogG_laptop	cyrus_N9: and forum i know as "knee" reminds me "than i got an arrow in my knee"	15:05
cos^	and please don't tell me ovi needs user to manually update everything	15:06
gri	they do since ovi is stupid	15:06
* gri hates them now		15:06
cos^	o\ how can nokia fail so much	15:06
ZogG_laptop	cos^: by update manager you mean? ...	15:06
cos^	ZogG_laptop: settings/applications thing, or the one which shows "updates available" in activities screen	15:06
ZogG_laptop	gri: cos^ if you have apps for free it would be nice to have them in apps.formeego.org, ask X-fade he is a fan of that project =)	15:07
cyrus_N9	ZogG_laptop, what do u mean technical?	15:07
X-Fade	And in other news. We finally got the same aegis credentials als ovi :D	15:07
X-Fade	*as	15:07
ZogG_laptop	cos^: if you intall app and in same time you click update an other one and it adds to quequ than you'll it it in manager btw	15:08
gri	ZogG_laptop: I can't publish to apps for meego yet since it requires remote compiling and I compile a secret token into my application to reduce abuse of my server api	15:08
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: not for testing right?	15:08
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: We can decide that ourselves.	15:08
X-Fade	Still need to enable it, struggling with some issues still.	15:09
ZogG_laptop	gri: it's simple - do not show source code or do not include one file with token, X-Fade is it possible?	15:09
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: but i'm happy alrady	15:09
gri	the source code is public, just the token is not	15:09
ZogG_laptop	gri: as far as i saw you can "not publish" your code	15:12
cos^	ZogG_laptop: ok.. i think i'll upload to apps.formeego.org	15:12
ZogG_laptop	gri: just in deb make to include everything except th single file with token	15:12
gri	X-Fade: can you confirm this?	15:12
ZogG_laptop	cos^: thanks =) as well as it has client and it does have buildin update notifing s it's simply repo so it uses natife update notifing	15:13
X-Fade	gri: What?	15:13
cos^	i can't believe nokia has failed ovi store so much. they really expect people to manually update each app?	15:13
ZogG_laptop	gri: you can make project and before uploading check it yourself	15:13
gri	X-Fade: can I compile something on obs and not publish the source?	15:14
ZogG_laptop	cos^: as well as install manually app by app after OTA update	15:14
X-Fade	gri: No	15:16
X-Fade	We are opensource only.	15:16
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ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: but i saw not - not to publish the project or in publish it means to push it to repos?	15:17
gri	X-Fade: Well, the source is available. The program is a client/server. To reduce abuse of my server I want to make sure that only the package I compiled can be used with my server. If one compiles the package himself, he/she also needs to setup a own server	15:17
X-Fade	gri: Then you are out of luck.	15:18
X-Fade	gri: Because we publish your source.	15:18
ZogG_laptop	gri: btw have you seen the bug about signon-oauth2 ?	15:18
gri	ZogG_laptop: which bug?	15:18
X-Fade	gri: And it is easy to branch a package on OBS.	15:19
gri	X-Fade: Ok, then apps for meego is a no-go for me until I change that behavior	15:19
ZogG_laptop	gri: https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492	15:19
_MeeGoBot_	Bug 492 nor, Normal, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, RESO POSTPONED, signon-oauth2 (liboauth2) on harmattan	15:19
X-Fade	gri: Can't you just work with accounts?	15:19
ZogG_laptop	but i didn't get why they moved it to SDK and made it postpone, like they can't add it to nokia harmattan repo without including to PR ?	15:20
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gri	X-Fade: you mean the accounts framework on the phone? I already use it but it's something different	15:20
X-Fade	gri: I mean on your web service.	15:21
X-Fade	gri: Then it doesn't really matter where the app comes from?	15:21
gri	X-Fade: then users would have to register at the service. The service only takes a job for the phone and executes it	15:22
X-Fade	gri: Extracting any token or whatever is easy when you monitor traffic. So it is not secure anyway.	15:23
gri	X-Fade: sure but more secure than having it plaintext in the source	15:23
X-Fade	gri: I don't think so. It only takes one person to post it on the forum or so.	15:24
X-Fade	gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.	15:24
gri	well it was not made to stay forever but currently it's the only way	15:25
auenf	the plugins will still require a user/pass to send tho right?	15:25
gri	auenf: yes	15:25
gri	auenf: if you use a wrong token, the server denies your request; if you have the right one it does the job and you still need login credentials	15:25
auenf	so its a load issue you are trying to avoid with outside sends?	15:26
gri	so for anyone abusing the server it would be much more easy to simply compile the server on his own computer	15:26
gri	auenf: right	15:26
ZogG_laptop	gri: can't you make that app actually getting token from server?	15:26
ZogG_laptop	gri like oauth or xauth or whaatever?	15:26
gri	ZogG_laptop: then I could also leave it out	15:26
gri	oauth also includes an secret token	15:26
ZogG_laptop	gri: right, i'll publish my, as i don't care =)	15:27
ZogG_laptop	F the systems that are bad for opensource by default	15:27
ZogG_laptop	like not bad but opensource are bad for them	15:27
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ZogG_laptop	hm how does push notifications work?	16:28
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ZogG_laptop	how does it have to have nokia account being connected to be able to get those	16:29
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corecode	how do i add a progress bar in qt designer/qt quick app?	16:51
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hiemanshu	corecode: using qt components?	17:01
corecode	yes	17:03
corecode	somehow the designer doesn't work here	17:03
corecode	doesn't have all items it should have	17:04
corecode	no label nor button for example	17:04
hiemanshu	you have to write the code by hand yes	17:05
corecode	so what's up with the designer then?	17:05
hiemanshu	its useless for most of the QML stuff	17:06
corecode	not even the demo stuff works	17:06
corecode	i mean.. label doesn't work?	17:07
corecode	how is that possible	17:07
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jonni	nobody uses designer to dev apps, usually qml is edited by hand.	17:24
jonni	designer is improveing though, so maybe in futre releases its more usable	17:25
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Pali	ping X-Fade	19:03
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* RST38h yawns		20:57
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TSCHAKeee	is it possible to make widgets that will show up on the Lock screen?	21:16
* TSCHAKeee wants more than a "Notification"		21:16
daniel_o	like text messages do?	21:17
mgedmin	"remember the milk"	21:18
mgedmin	:)	21:18
TSCHAKeee	I want to place a transport control on the lock screen	21:18
mgedmin	I'd love for lpmcustomizer to be able to render a simple short text message	21:19
TSCHAKeee	so I can do some things like play/pause/ff/rew video/tv/audio etc inside the system	21:19
TSCHAKeee	(and yes, I am writing way more than a piece of crap simple LIRC remote)	21:19
TSCHAKeee	http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5wIPHlOrO1Y	21:21
TSCHAKeee	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3eaD0N0GME	21:21
TSCHAKeee	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pfd69CvgUY	21:22
TSCHAKeee	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B5F3FfDpuU	21:22
TSCHAKeee	and yes, sorry, replace m. with www. in the first link...	21:22
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npm	wow i had my lumia 800 on for about one minute and it already wants me to reboot	21:25
npm	(to switch languages)	21:25
Mek	n9 needs to reboot for that too	21:30
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RST38h	npm: does it show the blue screen of death?	21:39
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kimju	I powered the lumia up, selected language, rebooted and was presented with 30+ screenfulls of EULA. didn't feel like reading that, so powered the phone down and put back in the box.	21:41
TSCHAKeee	will Qt apps run on the Lumia?	21:47
nix-cyrus	TSCHAKeee: afaik there was a qt port to wp7..	21:48
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TSCHAKeee	nix-cyrus: no, there's not.	22:03
* TSCHAKeee is very angry that Nokia basically left a whole legion of Qt developers out to dry		22:04
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TSCHAKeee	my problem is, I have millions of lines of C++ code	22:06
TSCHAKeee	most of it is not UI code	22:06
TSCHAKeee	most of it implements a very complex messaging system	22:06
TSCHAKeee	that would take years to port to something else.	22:07
RST38h	TSCHAKeee: Just wait. The Beast has promised a native SDK of sorts	22:07
TSCHAKeee	RST38h: but will it work for legal app deployment?	22:07
RST38h	Otherwise, this C# based contraption of theirs is going to be useless for development	22:07
TSCHAKeee	that's the big question.	22:07
RST38h	If they release it themselves, then why not?	22:07
TSCHAKeee	RST38h: it's my understanding that code deployed in the app store must be managed code	22:08
TSCHAKeee	not native code.	22:08
TSCHAKeee	I do not like the fact that i have to tell a user to go through an extra set of steps just to install an app	22:08
TSCHAKeee	I know YOU don't care, most hackers don't. But I am a hacker, and I DO care about user experience..and little things like that piss users off.	22:09
TSCHAKeee	and yes, I am raising a stink about an app, that I give away, because it is a reflection on myself and my project.	22:09
RST38h	TSCHAK: Ok, here is a little bit of info	22:09
RST38h	Microsoft is known to have a native SDK for WP7 and make it available for "valuable" partners (i.e. not either of us) who absolutely required it to release their stuff	22:10
RST38h	This includes large game companies, Adobe, etc	22:10
TSCHAKeee	yup i figured.	22:11
RST38h	The native SDK is known as ISIS, I think, and should be more or less standard WinCE affair	22:11
TSCHAKeee	fuckers.	22:11
Richlv	so... better concentrate on n9 ? :)	22:11
RST38h	There are rumors that ISIS will be made available for everyone under some name or the other the next year	22:11
TSCHAKeee	I already am...for the....two people who will use this app :P	22:11
* RST38h does Android nowadays. Lots of users (mostly not very bright ones though :() and there is an NDK		22:12
TSCHAKeee	we are also doing an android port using Necessitas...but we're being bit in the ass how we need to store resources..we're overflowing quite a bit.	22:12
RST38h	Satisfaction wise though, it is nothing compared to Maemo community	22:12
TSCHAKeee	yeah, I love the Maemo community	22:12
TSCHAKeee	always have	22:12
* RST38h will honestly try to do WP7 porting, but only if he gets the native SDK		22:15
RST38h	No native - no doughnut	22:15
TSCHAKeee	same	22:15
TSCHAKeee	i have way too much code that needs it	22:15
TSCHAKeee	and we've standardized on a qml engine	22:15
RST38h	Not to mention WP7 having 0 market penetration	22:15
TSCHAKeee	yeah	22:15
TSCHAKeee	it's odd isn't it?	22:15
RST38h	At least, by screwing with the green robot you have a chance of earning some money	22:16
TSCHAKeee	i've seen... i can count on one hand, the # of windows phones in the street.	22:16
RST38h	TSCHAK: Why is it odd?	22:16
TSCHAKeee	i would have expected it to have SOME market penetration	22:16
TSCHAKeee	but i guess, it's just more of the same since Windows CE	22:16
RST38h	Well, it has some :)	22:16
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TSCHAKeee	where microsoft has consistently missed the point, since 1996	22:16
RST38h	But it is pretty sad looking, with these huge ugly rectangles, vintage CGA colors, and hard limits on what user can do	22:17
RST38h	More like a feature phone	22:17
TSCHAKeee	mhm	22:17
TSCHAKeee	I love Harmattan	22:17
TSCHAKeee	it is beautiful beyond words	22:17
TSCHAKeee	and with that, I have to pack up the laptop	22:18
TSCHAKeee	airport to catch	22:18
* SpeedEvil waves.		22:18
TSCHAKeee	;)	22:18
TSCHAKeee	later.	22:18
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DocScrutinizer	I realized a few hours ago (well maybe one) that HARM actually looks pretty much like WindowsPhone7, just like hooker800 is a twin of N9	22:25
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jonni	just wondering what colors lumia comes, ie what color to choose :)	22:27
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RST38h	pink!	22:28
jonni	black, cyan and magenda seems to be the options	22:29
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RST38h	magenta is otherwise known as pink, after some approximation	22:29
jonni	I guess I'll take cyan then.	22:30
* RST38h really prefers black, but this whole Lumia thing reminds him of the mermaid joke		22:31
Richlv	jonni, as per your suggestion, i reinstalled aegis-ovi-source-policy and nokia-codesigning-keyring - that still didn't make store downloads work	22:32
Richlv	even did a "safety" reboot, nothing	22:32
jonni	whats the error message during install then?	22:32
Richlv	jonni, nothing. i can click/tap the download button, but nothing happens	22:32
Richlv	i could work for nokia qa, i guess. out of 2 phone upgrades 100% broken rate :>	22:33
Richlv	(different breakage even)	22:33
RST38h	"If you purchased something online from a mobile device in December, there's a 92% chance you used an iPad or iPhone. And if so, you probably spent more money than someone making an online purchase with an Android or a desktop computer."	22:34
npm	howcome the nokia maps app on lumia looks just like n8's ?? is it qt based??	22:34
RST38h	runs on simulated symbian! =)	22:34
* Richlv wonders why is that spanish prostitute a topic here that often =)		22:35
RST38h	spaniards say the word is not being used this way, at least not in .SP	22:35
Richlv	it's supposedly some region only	22:36
Richlv	still, nice touch/message from the marketing team :D	22:36
Richlv	i don't want to reflash that phone :/	22:38
Richlv	is there any logfile for the store app ?	22:40
jonni	Richlv: and you checked apt cache dir that there are no partitials in there, and also have tried that sms download?	22:43
Richlv	jonni, didn't check cache, trying sms download right now	22:44
Richlv	would i be checking /var/cache/apt/archives/partial ?	22:45
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Richlv	it has some files, but there are two games, apnews and userguide-content	22:45
Richlv	nothing else	22:45
Richlv	/var/cache/apt/archives has both aegis-ovi-source-policy and nokia-codesigning-keyring	22:46
jonni	apt-get --reinstall install ovistoreclient	22:46
jonni	and could also try "apt-get clean"	22:47
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Richlv	jonni, thanks, ovistoreclient reinstall didn't seem to help, will try clean & reinstall all 3 of them, i guess	22:51
Richlv	jonni, nope, unortunately no difference	22:56
jonni	or maybe you need to reinstall package manager, but really wierd	22:56
Richlv	unfortunately, of course	22:57
Richlv	there is no cli ovi store client, i guess :)	22:57
Richlv	that could at least show some error	22:57
Richlv	hmm, can i run ovistoreclient via ssh -Y or something ?	22:58
Richlv	maybe it prints something to the console...	22:58
jonni	apt-get --reinstall install package-manager	22:58
Richlv	ok. anything after that (like reinstalling ovistoreclient again ?)	22:59
jonni	reinstalling once should be enough for any package	22:59
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Richlv	right, just thought that there might be some dep	23:00
Richlv	well, still nothing :(	23:01
jonni	are you using wifi or 3g?	23:01
Richlv	(i just restarted store client, not the whole phone)	23:01
Richlv	wifi	23:01
jonni	since there are some issues if your behind wifi which has nat, which makes downloading not working	23:01
Richlv	it works on another, identical n9 sitting next to the problematic one	23:02
jonni	you could try 3g to see if its wifis fault	23:02
kimju	my n950 seems to lose wifi connection constantly, about 10 min is longest time it works at a time	23:03
Richlv	both same version of fw	23:03
kimju	3g works much better	23:03
jonni	Richlv: but ifts behind nat, store might block the other :)	23:04
Richlv	well, to verify i just started downloading the same app that fails on one on the other one - that succeeded	23:04
Richlv	jonni, erm, why would it do that... so it would block everybody but one person in a cafe with a public wifi, for example ?	23:05
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jonni	are you using same ovistore username on both?	23:05
corecode	hi	23:05
corecode	is that PR1.2 on navifirm the official one?	23:05
corecode	did anything start updating via OTA yet?	23:05
jonni	there is no PR1.2 yes	23:05
jonni	s/yes/yet/	23:06
infobot	jonni meant: there is no PR1.2 yet	23:06
Richlv	jonni, no, two different ovi store accounts	23:06
Richlv	i could try relogging to it, maybe...	23:06
jonni	corecode: whats the filename in navifirm?	23:06
jonni	Richlv: maybe try reloggin, or logging in with the username from working phone	23:07
Richlv	don't see a relogin option. i could try deleting that account & cadding it again, maybe	23:08
corecode	22.2011.44.2 they say	23:08
jonni	22.2011 = PR1.1.1	23:08
Richlv	it threatens me that all content related to the account will be deleted. what does that include ? :)	23:09
jonni	so thats not PR1.2	23:09
jonni	PR1.1.1 is only for asian market.	23:09
corecode	and 1.1.1 is nothing big?	23:09
corecode	ok	23:09
corecode	thanks	23:09
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javispedro	moo.	23:16
DocScrutinizer	mootoo	23:19
javispedro	have again a n950 =)	23:19
javispedro	how believable are those tmo rumours of increased battery consumption when dev mode is enabled? tbh I cannot think of a way to ensure	23:20
javispedro	... mainly because without dev mode I cannot install any of the reasonable battery monitoring apps...	23:20
DocScrutinizer	err, there are pretty decent tools to do what we did with bq27200.sh on maemo/N900	23:21
javispedro	see above, it's kinda of a chicken and egg problem	23:21
DocScrutinizer	hehe	23:21
jonni	javispedro: dev mode doesnt install any running servers, so should not affect battery comsumption at all	23:21
DocScrutinizer	exactly	23:21
javispedro	that's what I'd think..	23:21
DocScrutinizer	well, how's about sshd?	23:22
DocScrutinizer	nfc if it wuns in !dev	23:22
DocScrutinizer	runs*	23:22
DocScrutinizer	anyway hooker800 is as dead a brick as N9 when standby time display screen disabled	23:23
javispedro	pft, hooker800 is awful tbh	23:23
javispedro	I am yet to put a sim into it, or to configure a wifi network, and it has hanged and selfrebooted a few times already	23:24
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DocScrutinizer	I was pleased to notice that the manual for N9 will tell me how to disassemble hooker as well ;-P	23:24
javispedro	half of the applications in the hooker800 have a page long EULA	23:24
DocScrutinizer	yeahg	23:25
javispedro	specially annoying is that a few times the hooker800 has hanged on boot (!)	23:25
kimju	I gave up at the eula presented at first boot	23:27
DocScrutinizer	haha	23:27
DocScrutinizer	well, N9 at least has a white LED to indicate charging	23:27
javispedro	the initial impressions from the amoled screen were quite bad here	23:28
javispedro	I am however getting used to the weird looking fonts	23:28
DocScrutinizer	so all four are sitting here now, sorted down-to-top regarding "quality": hooker, next N9, next N950, and N900 on top ;-D	23:29
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javispedro	save for the crapacitive screen, I do prefer the N950 by now	23:31
DocScrutinizer	MEH	23:32
DocScrutinizer	maybe when one nice day somebody ports fremantle to it	23:32
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DocScrutinizer	I got like 50, 60, maybe 80 'apps' installed on N900, nicely sorted via apmefo. A nightmare to think how this would look like on HARM	23:34
javispedro	if I were to change anything on the harm launcher, it would be to get rid of the 3 views thing and dump everything on a single long list	23:35
DocScrutinizer	I got my ctrl-BS task switcher rotation, even with closing apps via shift-Q/W/E/A/S/D, no way to ever see this on that HARM desktop manager	23:35
javispedro	just realized btw that Fn+BS does task switch on Harm =)	23:36
DocScrutinizer	I got quite a number of bookmarks in microB, HARM is :-x here	23:37
DocScrutinizer	for whatever metrics of taskswitching	23:37
DocScrutinizer	MEH	23:37
DocScrutinizer	MHD FTW	23:38
javispedro	btw, my rma with asus also ended this week, got that ddr3 card, but I was tired of waiting	23:38
Richlv	jonni, WOOT. deleted nokia store account there, added a new one (had to reset password, user had forgotten it..) - it WORKS NOW =)	23:42
jonni	;)	23:42
jonni	good	23:42
Richlv	haha. battery too low to install anything after all these excercises :)	23:43
Richlv	come here, take a look at this usb cable...	23:43
Richlv	thanks for all your help, and boo to nokia store error feedback :)	23:43

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