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| MohammadAG | thp: Download jetpack joyride | 00:30 |
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| MohammadAG | On your iPod, tbh if theres a game to mimic its that | 00:30 |
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| RzR | damit http://status.net/2011/12/20/identi-ca-down | 00:32 |
| ajalkane | RzR: this might be a stupid question, but why does that guy look happy even as the news seem kinda bummer? | 00:35 |
| mgedmin | "opportunity to move to a new data center yay!" | 00:36 |
| RzR | when there is nothing you can just smile and hope noone will notice there is something wrong :-) | 00:36 |
| mgedmin | I liked how there was going to be scheduled downtime on Thursday, that was canceled, but now we've got some unscheduled downtime instead | 00:36 |
| ieatlint | it's always a good idea to make infrastructure changes without proper planning in order to take advantage of your other failures | 00:37 |
| ajalkane | Cool. Finding the silver lining in face of critical failures. Something I must learn | 00:37 |
| RzR | i am not a statusnet expert but a true decentralised system should be able to fix itself | 00:38 |
| ieatlint | there's a reason why sr sysadmins for major sites make $100-150k/year | 00:38 |
| ieatlint | although in this case it may have been a dba | 00:39 |
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| kimju | hmm, how do you add another 3G APN in harmattan? settings -> internet -> add new supports only adding new wlan connections | 01:49 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yo | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm? | 03:03 |
| rm_you | so | 03:04 |
| rm_you | Lumia 800 | 03:04 |
| rm_you | wtf is this | 03:04 |
| rm_you | and why am i getting a free one? | 03:04 |
| rm_you | are they trying to make me a winmo dev? | 03:05 |
| rm_you | >_> | 03:05 |
| ieatlint | yes | 03:05 |
| rm_you | how many other people got one | 03:06 |
| rm_you | i mean like | 03:06 |
| ieatlint | the lumia 800 is a gift promised to all nokia launchpad members back in february when the original announcement was made | 03:06 |
| rm_you | i assume most people here got the offer -- how many bothered GETTING it | 03:06 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:06 |
| ieatlint | you got a launchpad membership because you got an n950 i presue | 03:06 |
| rm_you | yes | 03:06 |
| ieatlint | well, you're just collateral damage :P | 03:07 |
| ieatlint | it was targeted at people who wanted to be launchpad members for nokia development | 03:07 |
| ieatlint | and i think most in here took it... nokia offers you a free $700 phone, few say no | 03:07 |
| rm_you | lol yeah | 03:09 |
| javispedro | rm_you: virtually everyone ordered it | 03:09 |
| javispedro | (who could, that is) | 03:10 |
| rm_you | i mean, i guess i will | 03:10 |
| rm_you | who knows, maybe i'll actually use it... | 03:10 |
| rm_you | or maybe having a "working phone" will allow me to actually get some real dev done on my n950 | 03:10 |
| rm_you | which i've been too busy to flash past beta1 yet because i need it to work | 03:10 |
| rm_you | actually that sounds like a decent excuse to try it, at least | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, you sent back your N950? | 03:14 |
| javispedro | yep | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | N9 or? | 03:15 |
| javispedro | well, expecting to get it back some day.. | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, warranty issue? | 03:15 |
| javispedro | screen :( | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sucks | 03:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | When I read that you sent it back I was worried you were choosing a new platform. :P | 03:16 |
| javispedro | mwahaha http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-12-09.log.html#t2011-12-09T14:39:25 | 03:17 |
| rm_you | when i first heard you guys talking about the lumia 800 i thought you were talking about some sort of chinese n800 clone :P | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | We were. :) | 03:20 |
| javispedro | many guys around writing "lumia n800" | 03:21 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:21 |
| javispedro | I hope this typo spreads around, I want to be able to show my n810 around | 03:21 |
| javispedro | with pride =) | 03:21 |
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| ieatlint | just tell people your n9 is the 800, and that's what wp7 looks like | 03:26 |
| javispedro | what n9 | 03:27 |
| ieatlint | you haven't stolen one yet? | 03:29 |
| * javispedro ponders who to stole it from | 03:29 | |
| javispedro | *steal | 03:29 |
| ieatlint | find a local meetup group | 03:30 |
| jpwhiting | hey all, when developing a new application that needs permission to install files into /usr/share do I need to add something to the manifest.aegis or something? | 03:44 |
| javispedro | no | 03:44 |
| javispedro | unless you mean "install at runtime" | 03:45 |
| jpwhiting | my .pro file has a MANAGER_FILES.path = /usr/share/telepathy/managers/ and INSTALLS += manager_files | 03:45 |
| jpwhiting | but when my .deb file is installed on the device I don't get the new file there in file browser | 03:45 |
| jpwhiting | no, at install time should be enough | 03:45 |
| javispedro | I suspect it ends up in /opt/$YOUR_APP/usr/share...? | 03:46 |
| jpwhiting | ah, could be, /me checks | 03:46 |
| javispedro | otherwise, check your packaging | 03:46 |
| jpwhiting | ok, will do, thx | 03:47 |
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| infobot | Hey there old haxor - how can one turn off already received onjoin message? infobot welcomes me with Your message about irc log everytime I join #maemo | 07:50 |
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| * gri is curious about the daily ovi qa email, what will come this time? :) | 10:22 | |
| jonni | heh, atleast you get daily mail vs week waiting :) | 10:23 |
| gri | well it's just that I try to get my application in the store for 21 days now | 10:24 |
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| kimju | let's try asking this again: how do you add another 3G APN in harmattan? settings -> internet -> add new supports only adding new wlan connections | 10:26 |
| auenf | kimju, tell me and we'll both know :P | 10:27 |
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| auenf | i only had the 1 APN listed, so i changed that one to the one my provider required | 10:27 |
| auenf | do you need a 2nd one, or you just need a specific APN? | 10:28 |
| kimju | editing it gets old very quickly if you need to switch between two apn's.. | 10:28 |
| kimju | yes, I need two. | 10:28 |
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| frals | kimju: http://projects.frals.se/fapn/ | 10:31 |
| kimju | binary only? | 10:31 |
| frals | yeah, guess you just have to trust me | 10:31 |
| frals | :P | 10:31 |
| frals | need to clean up the code before publishing it, its horrible atm | 10:32 |
| kimju | uhh.. no thanks :) | 10:32 |
| kimju | so no official way then, if you've made an app? | 10:32 |
| frals | no official way | 10:32 |
| kimju | ffs. | 10:32 |
| frals | and if you own a n9/n950 you are already trusting my binary only stuff on your device ;) | 10:33 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but if the base image steals my data, i have realistic legal recourse | 10:37 |
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| ieatlint | hence nokia putting in the big disclaimer when installing a .deb from an untrusted source | 10:37 |
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| kimju | frals, running strings on that binary gives some hints.. could you tell how to add the new apn manually, or should I spend some more time reverse engineering that? :) | 10:38 |
| gri | "I didn't see a disclaimer, I used dpkg." :D | 10:39 |
| frals | kimju: i could tell you, but would you trust me? | 10:39 |
| frals | :p | 10:39 |
| frals | /system/osso/connectivity in gconf | 10:39 |
| ieatlint | gri: the disclaimer was turning on dev mode | 10:39 |
| gri | ieatlint: damn. | 10:40 |
| auenf | do you need to turn on dev mode to install debs :P | 10:40 |
| ieatlint | auenf: no | 10:40 |
| kimju | frals, well, I'm more likely to trust instructions that seem to make sense than random binary from random website | 10:40 |
| ieatlint | you can allow installations from untrusted sources | 10:40 |
| auenf | yup | 10:40 |
| ieatlint | that said, i'd actually trust frals completely on this :P | 10:40 |
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| auenf | dunno, one of his old apps charged me 50c every time i sent something with it :P | 10:41 |
| ieatlint | maybe, but i'm sure he spent it all on beer | 10:41 |
| auenf | none of it would have gone to him either | 10:42 |
| frals | mms messages do tend to cost ;) | 10:42 |
| auenf | they didnt for me initially | 10:42 |
| ieatlint | there's no mms support on the n9/50 right? | 10:42 |
| gri | I never sent nor received a single mms in my life .. | 10:42 |
| frals | mms works oob | 10:42 |
| frals | auenf: well, blame your operator not me ;) | 10:43 |
| ieatlint | can you configure the mms apn? | 10:43 |
| auenf | my sim is a mobile broadband sim with voice provisioned | 10:43 |
| auenf | initally, mms failed to receive or send on any device | 10:43 |
| auenf | then it was finally enabled, but mms' werent charged (or listed anywhere) for about 6 months | 10:43 |
| ieatlint | ah, nm, yes, i found the mms apn settings | 10:44 |
| ieatlint | mms is pretty much dead though | 10:44 |
| jonni | kimju: http://pastebin.com/su1cpiXM | 10:45 |
| ieatlint | i just use an img hosting site and distribute the url, far easier and doesn't require reseting my data connection | 10:45 |
| kimju | jonni, thanks | 10:46 |
| auenf | reseting data connection? | 10:46 |
| jonni | kimju: havent tested that one, just googled around. joten perävalotakuu | 10:47 |
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| jonni | I've earned one cheap bottle of wine from my ovi store app... can't quit my day job yet :) | 10:57 |
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| gri | atleast you earned something :) | 11:11 |
| gri | jonni: What is your application? | 11:11 |
| jonni | kludge app to enable swipe lock on any application. | 11:12 |
| jonni | just pushed updated version to ovi store, but lets see how long does it take for it to appear | 11:14 |
| gri | 1.99 € is too much for me :) | 11:15 |
| decibyte | is there a way to make this chance work without rebooting? <http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1112834&postcount=2> | 11:16 |
| gri | decibyte: maybe matrixx knows about that since it could be done by the same thing that themechanger does | 11:18 |
| decibyte | *change | 11:18 |
| jonni | gri: heh yes, I'll might change it to .99 after the new year. | 11:18 |
| decibyte | gri, cool. i hope matrixx sees this then :) | 11:19 |
| jonni | decibyte: most likely you can just do: initctl restart xsession/mthemedaemon | 11:24 |
| auenf | bah, mail client keeps coming up with 'Error occured' | 11:25 |
| auenf | nfi which account tho | 11:26 |
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| jonni | decibyte: just tested it and the right command is: initctl restart xsession/sysuid | 11:33 |
| gri | jonni: that does restart themedaemon without killing all processes? :) | 11:38 |
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| jonni | heh, well atleast doesnt need reboot, ofcourse some processes will be restarted :) | 11:43 |
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| kimju | jonni, fyi, that recipe to add an apn worked fine. | 12:10 |
| gri | my neighbours might hate me this week: received a package for me yesterday, today and will tomorrow :D | 12:11 |
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| gri | anyone received the lumia yet? would be interested which color they are :) | 12:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've not had any shipment notifiction - I had an OID of *197 | 12:32 |
| RST38h | gri: Pink! | 12:35 |
| gri | SpeedEvil: got notice, OID ends with *054 | 12:41 |
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| gri | RST38h: I wish they were pink :) | 12:46 |
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| decibyte | jonni: thanks! | 12:58 |
| matrixx | jonni: ah, you found it already | 13:00 |
| matrixx | should be sufficient | 13:00 |
| RST38h | gri: Black will do nicely, thank you | 13:06 |
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| hiemanshu | gri: two people have got it so far, its most likely cyan/black | 13:07 |
| * RST38h still needs to figure out what to do with the fake N9 though: need NDK for it | 13:08 | |
| psycho_oreos | NDK? | 13:10 |
| * RST38h reads Microsoft Certified Posters explain to some wondering developer him not being able to develop native code is The Good Thing | 13:12 | |
| gri | you don't have to use that crap called OpenGL which no one uses :P | 13:18 |
| gri | also your code runs better since you have to rewrite everything in c# | 13:19 |
| hiemanshu | gri: http://twitpic.com/7w846j | 13:19 |
| gri | hiemanshu: thank you. Black is bettern than blue even though I really hoped for red | 13:20 |
| gri | -n | 13:20 |
| hiemanshu | gri: I want black too, Cyan is kinda odd, and Magenta, not that much | 13:21 |
| gri | n950 is black, n9 blue so red would be the best addition :) | 13:21 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 13:27 |
| RzR | IICR there is a NDK for MSWP operators | 13:30 |
| * MohammadAG spams hiemanshu | 13:31 | |
| hiemanshu | one more sent today :/ | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | Unlocking mg iPhone to 20 notifications is fun | 13:31 |
| hiemanshu | haha | 13:31 |
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| matrixx | got the white n9 today <3 | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | matrixx: Those are nice eh? | 13:36 |
| matrixx | X-Fade: yes, it's beautiful | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | matrixx: Yes, like them a lot. | 13:39 |
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| X-Fade | matrixx: feel is better than the blue one I have. | 13:39 |
| auenf | cause it feels like it doesnt 'stick' to your hand as much? | 13:41 |
| X-Fade | The surface is different yes. | 13:41 |
| hiemanshu | gri: yours sent yet? | 13:44 |
| gri | hiemanshu: Sent mail came 3 hours ago, dhl says tracking code is still invalid | 13:45 |
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| gri | so it does not seem to have left the building yet | 13:45 |
| hiemanshu | gri: thats good then :P | 13:45 |
| Venemo_N950 | morning guys | 13:45 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, hey :) | 13:46 |
| gri | Venemo_N950: hey - it's not morning anymore :D | 13:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | :P | 13:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, I've managed to boost puzzle-master's performance. | 13:47 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, a lot! :) | 13:47 |
| gri | so what was the bottleneck? | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | He now allows a maximum of one puzzle piece | 13:47 |
| Venemo_N950 | well, the conclusion is that the gpu hates alpha trasparency | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | The pieces were transparent? | 13:48 |
| Venemo_N950 | also, it was worth to set whatever optimalization flags there were | 13:48 |
| gri | did you use the gpu? (opengl) | 13:49 |
| Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, the stoke around them was transparent yes | 13:49 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, yes, the meego graphics system uses opengl when the app is in the foreground | 13:49 |
| gri | if you draw the pice once into a pixmap and only redraw this, the transparent stroke should not matter | 13:50 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, the stroke is a QPainterPath | 13:50 |
| gri | sure but you only have to paint it once to a pixmap | 13:50 |
| Venemo_N950 | does QPainter draw pixmaps faster than QPainterPaths? | 13:51 |
| gri | otherwise you can never fill your 1gb memory :P | 13:51 |
| Venemo_N950 | lol | 13:51 |
| gri | I assume a pixmap to be faster than the painterpath | 13:51 |
| Venemo_N950 | well, that remains to be seen | 13:52 |
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| gri | is your latest code on gitorious? then I could try :) | 13:53 |
| Venemo_N950 | yes it is there | 13:53 |
| Venemo_N950 | dragging and rotating is also noticably faster | 13:53 |
| Venemo_N950 | and I also found a bottleneck at merging, so that's faster too | 13:54 |
| artemma | Why does "orientationLock: PageOrientation.LockPortrait" sometimes work and sometimes doesn't? | 13:54 |
| Venemo_N950 | I also reduced the size of the pixmaps on the pieces, but that required some further bloat to their generation, so that's a bit slower | 13:55 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, do you have the gitorious url? | 13:55 |
| gri | Venemo_N950: yes, I already downloaded it but have to change the debian dir to get it working without scratchbox :) | 13:56 |
| gri | only a matter of a minute .. | 13:56 |
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| Venemo_N950 | gri, it works from qt creator the way it is.... | 13:57 |
| gri | Venemo_N950: mine does complain about the debian dir if it's not in qtc_packaging | 13:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, oh | 13:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | I don't package | 13:59 |
| gri | well, I just have to mkdir qtc_packaging and move debian to qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan and it works :) | 13:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | ok | 14:00 |
| Venemo_N950 | I don't package with Qt Creator | 14:00 |
| Venemo_N950 | it's slow and unneeded for testing | 14:00 |
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| gri | Venemo_N950: what OS do you use? | 14:02 |
| gri | the "package and run" is pretty fast for me, takes about 3 - 10 seconds | 14:03 |
| gri | qrc:/qml/other/ImageChooser.qml:24: TypeError: Result of expression 'imagesModel.get(imageSelectorGrid.currentIndex)' [undefined] is not an object. | 14:04 |
| gri | qrc:/qml/other/FileSelectorDialog.qml:25: TypeError: Result of expression 'imageSelectorGrid.model.get(imageSelectorGrid.currentIndex)' [undefined] is not an object. | 14:04 |
| gri | seleciton does not work, can't start a game :( | 14:04 |
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| Venemo_N950 | gri, hmm maybe I forgot to push the fix to dat | 14:06 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, wait a minute | 14:07 |
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| Venemo_N950 | aww yea, forgot to push | 14:08 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, could you please try to pull it now? | 14:11 |
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| gri | performance is really a lot better now | 14:13 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, you liking? :) | 14:15 |
| gri | Venemo_N950: much more than before since it now runs fluently | 14:18 |
| RST38h | "Amazon, Microsoft, and Nokia sniff around RIM" (C)TheRegister | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Because what nokia needs at the moment is another platform. | 14:19 |
| RST38h | RIM is more like a US customer base than a platform | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | True | 14:20 |
| RST38h | Nobody needs their platform, but everyone wants their customers | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose the hope would be to transition them over to windows | 14:20 |
| RST38h | Speed: false hope, indeed | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | And gain some cdma space | 14:20 |
| RST38h | Speed: Because, from what I know about these guys, most of them know what they want and it is not a smartphone | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | RIM has a wierdly split market in the UK | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | being popular with teens | 14:21 |
| RST38h | Weird indeed | 14:22 |
| RST38h | In the US, it is popular among business types because it is said to be "secure" (mostly snake oil) and they apparently like the BreakOut game it comes with | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | http://crackberry.com/tags/uk | 14:23 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, I also added a dialog that gives feedback on the creation progeress | 14:27 |
| gri | Venemo_N950: I am waiting for some shiny shader effects ;) | 14:28 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, you want it to be slow again? | 14:28 |
| gri | Well, the gpu is capable of doing a few great effects without slowing down | 14:29 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, also, now you can't drag 'em out of the board | 14:29 |
| Venemo_N950 | they'll bounce back | 14:29 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Watching anything on this screen should be pornography | 14:31 |
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| Pali | ping X-Fade | 14:37 |
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| Venemo | gri, I'll make a package this night and send it out to the others too for testing :) | 14:51 |
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| pawky | Might there be anyone in here today that could tell me what different initial volume lever the ringtone tune uses compared to when playing back the song through the player? | 15:02 |
| pawky | it's very anoying the ringtone sounds distorted whilst plaing the song doesn't | 15:02 |
| pawky | There are quite a few levers in alsamixer to choose from... | 15:03 |
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| pawky | my question seems to be a hard nut to crack :-( | 15:33 |
| Venemo | pawky, if it works in any way similar to how the N900 did it, then I have a guess | 15:34 |
| pawky | Venemo: which is? :-) | 15:35 |
| pawky | doesn't anyboyd have a sound chip routing schema or similar? | 15:35 |
| pawky | s/anyboyd/anybody/ | 15:36 |
| infobot | pawky meant: doesn't anybody have a sound chip routing schema or similar? | 15:36 |
| Venemo | pawky, the N900 converted the ringtone song to .wav, moved it to the rootfs and downsampled it to mono and a lower bitrate. | 15:36 |
| pawky | Venemo: aha... maybe i just have to choose it again now when i have adjusted the levers in alsamixer.. | 15:37 |
| Venemo | pawky, IIRC the reason for this was to avoid the need to decode it whilst still sparing the rootfs | 15:37 |
| pawky | Venemo: Then the question will be, what levers are used when doing this downsampling? | 15:37 |
| Venemo | pawky, on N900, one just needed to find the .wav file in question, replace it with a custom-made .wav file of any quality, and then it worked. | 15:38 |
| Venemo | pawky, I'm unfamiliar with the details of this conversion | 15:38 |
| pawky | Venemo: thout rootfs was readonly.. | 15:38 |
| pawky | s/thout/thought/ | 15:38 |
| infobot | pawky meant: Venemo: thought rootfs was readonly.. | 15:38 |
| Venemo | why would it be readonly? | 15:38 |
| pawky | Venemo: maybe to much Android lately?... :-) | 15:38 |
| Venemo | pawky, yuck | 15:40 |
| Venemo | I would pick Windows Phone 7 over Android any day. | 15:40 |
| pawky | Venemo: yuck... | 15:40 |
| pawky | Venemo: no windows in my home... in whatever way.. | 15:41 |
| pawky | Then again, one can of course question wether openSuSE indirectly is Microsoft these days... ;-) | 15:41 |
| Tronic | Venemo: I really don't know which I'd choose. WP7 works much better but Android can do more. | 15:42 |
| pawky | Tronic: yes, if you root it :-) | 15:42 |
| Tronic | Fortunately there is Harmattan :) | 15:42 |
| pawky | Tronic: I agree! :-) | 15:42 |
| Tronic | (that you'll want to root, too) | 15:42 |
| pawky | Tronic: yeah, but I'm not in that much of a hurry compared to Android... | 15:43 |
| pawky | Tronic: then again, the openversion, isnt that a tad buggy? | 15:43 |
| pawky | Tronic: thought it might be smart to wait a bit before flashing it into the N9. Or am I just wasting my time waiting? | 15:43 |
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| pawky | Venemo: any idea what the file might be named to after the conversion? | 15:50 |
| Venemo | Tronic, android is bloated horseshit. and srsly, who wants to develop in java? | 15:51 |
| Venemo | pawky, I can't recall, but it was mentioned in a TMO thread... I mean, in the N900's case. | 15:51 |
| artemma | Why can't I make orientationLock: PageOrientation.LockPortrait work? | 15:59 |
| artemma | It was working on one of the pages for some time, but now it doesn't work anymore :/ | 15:59 |
| artemma | What could be overriding it? | 15:59 |
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| Tronic | Venemo: Java, DotNET, what's the difference? | 16:14 |
| jreznik | Tronic: for Android you can use Qt :) so no Java! wish it would be possible to have something like android-components, metro-components and just slightly change ui to match the target platform... | 16:16 |
| artemma | ah, these were subpages inside a higher level page (with tabgroups) | 16:18 |
| Tronic | jreznik: AFAIK Qt is or will be available for WP7 as well. | 16:18 |
| artemma | Tronic: why would it happen? | 16:18 |
| artemma | Nokia is so much pro-MSFT nowadays | 16:18 |
| Tronic | artemma: I recall Nokia saying so at some point. | 16:18 |
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| artemma | and other MSFT partners have strong interests against Qt | 16:19 |
| jreznik | Tronic: it isn't and I recall Nokia saying the opposit | 16:19 |
| artemma | Samsung most notably | 16:19 |
| Tronic | artemma: Nokia is a combination of development groups, many of which are still very anti-MS, no matter what the CEO says. | 16:19 |
| artemma | Tronic: this development groups certainly can have lots of fun with their hacked devices :D | 16:19 |
| Tronic | artemma: Irregardless of that, porting Qt to WP7 helps the platform. | 16:20 |
| jreznik | Tronic: but MS controls what's get into WP :) | 16:20 |
| jreznik | no native code allowed for 3rd party devs in WP as I know | 16:20 |
| artemma | I can't see how Qt could help WP platform | 16:20 |
| artemma | MSFT has lots of developers who know MS stuff | 16:20 |
| artemma | only company and developers Qt would help is Nokia and Nokia devs and I have doubts MS really cares about these. No more than it cares about pleasing Samsung I guess | 16:21 |
| jreznik | artemma: write once, deploy everywhere :) | 16:21 |
| artemma | and why on earth MS would care about you to be able to deploy everywhere? :) | 16:22 |
| jreznik | I've been to Nokia&MS event and seems like they push HTML5 quite a lot these days because of "deploy everywhere" == also wp 7 | 16:22 |
| * artemma looks back at 30 years of MSFT history trying to find a single example of MS supporting run-once-deploy-everywhere | 16:22 | |
| artemma | well, HTML5 is clearly anti-nokia to me | 16:23 |
| jreznik | artemma: when you are major platform - it's not good for you, but they are not now... so they support html 5 to get more apps on wp but restrict wp 7 apps to be deployed elsewhere :) | 16:23 |
| artemma | and in any case got little to do with supporting Qt | 16:23 |
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| artemma | well, I am not sure if MS is that much into supporting exactly Samsung, HTC or whatever other manufacturer, but definitely that would care about them more than about the interests of nokia | 16:25 |
| artemma | the more nokia is locked to MS, the better | 16:25 |
| artemma | right now there is still a chance (small one) to revert strategy to meego, soon it will be totally dead | 16:25 |
| marsje | hi | 16:27 |
| marsje | why do I get this? | 16:28 |
| marsje | tcpdump: socket: Operation not permitted | 16:28 |
| marsje | when doing: /usr # ./sbin/tcpdump -i wlan0 -s 0 -w ~/dump.cap | 16:28 |
| flux | marsje, try develsh first | 16:28 |
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| marsje | anotehr shell that gives me more rights? | 16:30 |
| Venemo | Tronic, it's better. that's the difference | 16:30 |
| marsje | is there any place where I can read more about this? | 16:30 |
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| Venemo | Tronic, although I must admit that I'm a little bit biased. | 16:30 |
| Tronic | Venemo: From developer POV it is easy to agree, C# is clearly superior to Java. | 16:32 |
| * marsje goes back to his C# code now | 16:33 | |
| Venemo | Tronic, what other POV is there that matters? | 16:43 |
| Tronic | User, and it is more important than the developer one. | 16:45 |
| Venemo | well, a user doesn't care whether an app is written in C# or java | 16:46 |
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| Richlv | oh, wow | 17:25 |
| Richlv | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=253 | 17:25 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 253 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, Enhancement ideas to N9 alarm clock | 17:25 |
| pawky | marsje: are you devloper root on the unit? | 17:25 |
| Richlv | i am actually interested in an update for my phone. that's a new thing for me :) | 17:25 |
| Jare | an open bugzilla is a great thing, but it really makes you wait for the future releases x) | 17:35 |
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| marsje | pawky: I turned on developer mode, yes | 17:45 |
| marsje | pawky: and I typed devel-su | 17:45 |
| pawky | marsje: hmm.. | 17:46 |
| pawky | let me try on mine.. | 17:46 |
| Richlv | oh, something i've been unable to solve... is there any way to automatically remove duplicate contacts ? | 17:47 |
| Richlv | migration from e71 or somesuch on one n9 created 2-4 dupes for many entries | 17:47 |
| pawky | marsje: works for me.. | 17:47 |
| Richlv | and when such a call is received, n9 doesn't show any of them | 17:47 |
| Richlv | so the user is quite annoyed :) | 17:47 |
| Richlv | if all else fails i could export, script, import, but i'd prefer to avoid that | 17:48 |
| pawky | marsje: did "tcpdump -i wlan0 -s 0 -w ~/dump.cap" | 17:49 |
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| marsje | pawky: if I don't enter the full path I get: sh: tcpdump: not found | 17:54 |
| marsje | where is your tcpdump coming from? | 17:54 |
| pawky | marsje: /usr/sbin/ | 17:55 |
| gri | ifconfig is also not in path | 17:56 |
| pawky | marsje: even works without devel-su mode.. | 17:57 |
| marsje | hmmm | 17:58 |
| pawky | marsje: N9 phone... standard firmware... | 17:58 |
| marsje | me too, as far as I know | 18:00 |
| marsje | /usr/sbin is not in my PATH | 18:00 |
| pawky | marsje: PR 1.1 ... | 18:01 |
| marsje | but yes, /usr/sbin/tcpdump work as user "user" | 18:01 |
| marsje | workS | 18:01 |
| pawky | marsje: so it works? | 18:01 |
| marsje | yes :) | 18:02 |
| marsje | but not as root | 18:02 |
| pawky | marsje: fair enough, forgot to tell I first logged in as developer... | 18:02 |
| marsje | which seems strange | 18:02 |
| pawky | marsje: a bit... | 18:03 |
| marsje | my N9's wifi drops all the time... is this power saving? | 18:03 |
| pawky | marsje: what do you expect it to do? | 18:04 |
| marsje | my wifi? to stay up until I stop it or get out of reach | 18:07 |
| pawky | marsje: why? | 18:11 |
| marsje | pawky: why I expect it? Don't get your question... | 18:12 |
| marsje | what I originally wanted to do with tcpdump is seeing if my N9 was trying to reach my mailserver | 18:12 |
| marsje | to see if that explains high idle power usage caused by "Synchronization Services" according to the battery usage app | 18:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | The battery usage thing is at best a rough guess | 18:17 |
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| pawky | marsje: well, is it disconnecting while you are doing something, or when its idle? | 18:22 |
| marsje | idle | 18:22 |
| pawky | marsje: why do you want it to be connected whilst nothing happens? | 18:23 |
| marsje | because I'm connected to it from my workstation of wifi with ssh :) | 18:23 |
| marsje | I can imagine it's not made to behave as a server... I guess I could instruct ssh to send keep alives | 18:25 |
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| Teo` | hiemanshu: have you sent back your N950 too? | 18:43 |
| Teo` | hiemanshu: my display is twice as bad today as it was yesterday | 18:43 |
| Teo` | hiemanshu: I emailed DDP and they said I should send it back to them with a note, but they didn't provide an address °_° | 18:44 |
| hiemanshu | Teo`: email them back for an address | 18:47 |
| * gri would guess the address is the same as the one they used for sending? | 18:48 | |
| Teo` | hiemanshu: did that, yesterday :-/ | 18:48 |
| hiemanshu | Teo`: they emailed me back with a mailing address, but it depends on who handled it | 18:49 |
| Teo` | gri: I'd guess that too, but I don't have the original packaging any more | 18:49 |
| Teo` | hiemanshu: yeah there is an address in the signature, but they don't say that I should return to *that* address | 18:49 |
| gri | what is the address in that mail? | 18:49 |
| Teo` | it might be the office address of the person, nothing more | 18:50 |
| gri | Karakaari 13? | 18:50 |
| Teo` | Karakaari 13, 1st floor | 18:50 |
| Teo` | 02610 Espoo | 18:50 |
| Teo` | Finland | 18:50 |
| gri | Hmm, mine came from 5th floor | 18:51 |
| Teo` | gri: yeah my concern is that the shipping dept might be somewhere else nearby, but if the right hand doesn't talk to the left hand much I might get my package back for a stupid different floor | 18:51 |
| Teo` | this was the address they had sent it from a few months ago | 18:53 |
| Teo` | Karakaari 13 | 18:53 |
| Teo` | 5th floor | 18:53 |
| Teo` | Espoo, 02610 | 18:53 |
| Teo` | so 5th floor :-/ | 18:53 |
| Teo` | and the person just said "send it back to us", who is "us" | 18:53 |
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| pawky | marsje: was just going to suggest trying keep_alive... | 19:34 |
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| npm | would something like this allow me to use the same SIM on incoming Lumia 800 and N950: http://www.amazon.com/Micro-SIM-Cutter-Converter-adapters/dp/B003UEWF8I/ref=pd_bxgy_e_text_b | 19:41 |
| npm | and is cutting a standard size sim recommended way of getting it to fit in lumia? once i cut it, will the adapter still work in n950 or is it unreliable? | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | do not use microSIM adapters in a n950! | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | it'll get stuck inside | 19:42 |
| npm | ah. that is good advice :-/ | 19:42 |
| npm | sad, but good. so what to do? | 19:42 |
| * mgedmin got himself a separate microSIM card, and then got his plan changed so two SIM cards ended up being cheaper than the original one | 19:43 | |
| npm | ah. | 19:43 |
| npm | is there a special plan for having two sim's share the same account (???) , or you ended up getting two accounts w/ some kind of "family plan" ? | 19:45 |
| special | most carriers (in the US, at least) won't let you share data, so two accounts would be obscenely expensive. | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | I'm not sure about the terms | 19:47 |
| special | there are probably well-built adapters that could handle the n950 | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | two accounts, I suppose... either 0.5 or 1 GB data/month for 2.65 USD/month | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | iirc | 19:48 |
| CissWit | i can use my micro seam in my n95. | 19:48 |
| CissWit | micro sim* ... | 19:48 |
| * special pays $25/mo for 2GB data. | 19:48 | |
| ZogG_laptop | mardy: probably we are =) | 19:50 |
| CissWit | special: doest it include any sms or voice call ? | 19:50 |
| special | CissWit: extra :) | 19:50 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop: ok, now I'm also online :-) | 19:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | mardy: i wanted to ask you if singon-oauth2 support oauth1 as well? as i'm trying to request token but get the empty resonse | 19:51 |
| CissWit | i pay 19€/mo for illimited sms, illimited data, and 2hours voice. (But the data might be bandwith limited after 300Mo per month) | 19:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | mardy: =* i missed you darling sooo much =P | 19:51 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop: yes, it does | 19:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | CissWit: i have 2 gb data 500 sms and 500 minutes | 19:52 |
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| CissWit | how much do you pay ? | 19:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | mardy: i just didn't find any proper documentaion and as i'm noobie, i'm pretty sure i do something wrong | 19:52 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop: see the header file http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon-oauth2/blobs/master/src/oauth1data.h | 19:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | mardy: i did use it | 19:54 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop: do you have signon logs? | 19:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | mardy: i have someoutput | 19:54 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop: they are in the syslog, once you cset the logging level to 2 in /etc/signond.conf | 19:55 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mardy: lemme check it | 19:55 |
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| mardy | ZogG_laptop: and you need to kill signond, in ordeer for it to pick up that setting | 19:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | Dec 21 19:59:09 (2011) signonpluginprocess: "Failed to load /usr/lib/signon/libPLAINTEXTplugin.so (reason: Cannot load library /usr/lib/signon/libPLAINTEXTplugin.so: (/usr/lib/signon/libPLAINTEXTplugin.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory))" | 19:57 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mardy: do i need to set it to oauth1 or should, coz in code i saw i need to set the type to make it use oauth1 | 19:59 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop: the name of the plugin being loaded depends on the method | 20:01 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop: so, set the method to "oauth2" when creating the authsession | 20:02 |
| mardy | (the name of the plugin is oauth2) | 20:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh | 20:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | i thought i need to set mechanism to the plaintext or the second one | 20:02 |
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| ZogG_laptop | signonpluginprocess: "Failed to load /usr/lib/signon/liboauth2plugin.so (reason: Cannot load library /usr/lib/signon/liboauth2plugin.so: (/usr/lib/signon/liboauth2plugin.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory))" | 20:04 |
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| ZogG_laptop | therei no liboauth2 there | 20:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | mardy: http://dpaste.org/x0I2q/ | 20:06 |
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| mardy | ZogG_laptop: is that from scratchbox, or directly from the device? | 20:10 |
| Pali | ping X-Fade | 20:10 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop: actually, I just checked: I don't have it on my N950 either :-O | 20:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | mardy: device | 20:12 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mardy: so it's no go? | 20:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mardy: ? =( | 20:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | i just wanted to use something system avilable and not port other libs or use other libs =\ | 20:27 |
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| gri | signon-xauthplugin - xAuth/OAuth authentication plugin for Single Sign On (SSO) | 20:30 |
| gri | maybe that's an extended version of the oauth one? | 20:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | lemme try | 20:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri it did worked actually | 20:35 |
| gri | only the plugin loading or the oauth session? | 20:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: not fully as expected | 20:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri i think oauth | 20:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri it started something still had no response | 20:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | Dec 21 20:38:41 (2011) signond[11634]: ../../../src/signond/pluginproxy.cpp 542 queryMechanisms ("HMAC-SHA1") | 20:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | Dec 21 20:38:41 (2011) signond[11634]: ../../../src/signond/pluginproxy.cpp 196 createNewPluginProxy The process is started | 20:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | Dec 21 20:38:41 (2011) signond[11634]: ../../../src/signond/signonsessioncore.cpp 150 sessionCore The new session is created : "0+xauth" | 20:39 |
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| ZogG_laptop | he also created session SignonAuthSession "/com/nokia/SingleSignOn/AuthSession_3" | 20:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | the question now is how i request token, as i didn't get it in reply | 20:40 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gri: mardy as i assume i need to connect to dbus to get info right? | 20:58 |
| gri | no, there's a class for authsession | 21:04 |
| gri | do you have your code around? | 21:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | i just get yeap | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | but it's ugly =))) | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | wait | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | i get PendingRegistration that's the problem | 21:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: http://dpaste.org/opNhZ/ | 21:08 |
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| gri | try HMAC-SHA1 or PLAINTEXT in line 52 | 21:10 |
| Appiah | cant get the Qt SDK to install for some reason , Execution failed .. "/opt/QtSDK/Simulator/Application/simulator -registeronly" | 21:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri 53? | 21:12 |
| Appiah | if I ignore I get some other error about harmattan postinstall script failing | 21:12 |
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| gri | ZogG_laptop: the line where currently this is: m_session->request(data, "xauth"); | 21:13 |
| gri | change it to m_session->request(data, "HMAC-SHA1"); and try again | 21:13 |
| gri | if it fails, try PLAINTEXT | 21:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri tried both | 21:13 |
| gri | both result in the same? | 21:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | yes | 21:14 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gri i think the request is not going anywhere | 21:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | last lines of syslog Dec 21 21:15:21 (2011) signond[11634]: ../../../src/signond/signonsessioncore.cpp 1020 addRef | 21:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | Dec 21 21:15:21 (2011) signond[11634]: ../../../src/signond/signonauthsession.cpp 101 getAuthSessionObjectPath SignonAuthSession is created successfully: "/com/nokia/SingleSignOn/AuthSession_6" | 21:14 |
| gri | hmpf .. I don't understand why the oauth plugin is not there but instead the xauth one where the sourcecode does not seem to be public | 21:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri updateState Updating state: PendingRegistration and than process sending to queue | 21:15 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gri i found some kinda api that involves DBUS but no proper explanation | 21:16 |
| gri | signon communicates over dbus as far as I know | 21:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: yes but do i need to connect to dbus ? | 21:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/libsignon-qt/classSignOn_1_1AuthSession.html | 21:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | here is the part of api | 21:17 |
| gri | normally not since those classes are a wrapper around the dbus calls | 21:17 |
| gri | but ask the xauth plugin for the mechanisms | 21:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | do i need to ask? | 21:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | i found this | 21:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/libsignon-qt/sessiondata_8h_source.html#l00235 | 21:19 |
| gri | the SessionData is the base class of your OAuth1PluginData | 21:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: as i understand it might work different | 21:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | as no oauth2 anymore | 21:21 |
| gri | DocScrutinizer: here? | 21:22 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: Without sourcecode or documentation what the xauth plugin really is, it's hard to guess | 21:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: the api i sent is not the api for it? | 21:25 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: I can not tell whether the xauth plugin can work with OAuth1PluginData or if it has a different structure | 21:26 |
| gri | does it change something when you supply a SessionData instance of the OAuth1PluginData? | 21:27 |
| gri | in a way of "does it go crazy when you supply stupid data or does it stay the same?" | 21:27 |
| ieatlint | hell yeah, someone made an xmas ecard app... finally, i can create clip-art graphics to send season's greetings on my phone | 21:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: i don't think it does anything | 21:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri may this help ? -> https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon/blobs/master/tests/libsignon-qt-tests/testauthsession.cpp | 21:36 |
| gri | ieatlint: irony? | 21:37 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: if it fails it should atleast come back to the error slot | 21:39 |
| ieatlint | no, there's no irony in that statement | 21:39 |
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| gri | ieatlint: that's why I asked :) | 21:41 |
| Appiah | Anyone have a idea on how to debug the Qt SDK installation? I'm just getting errors when it comes to the harmattan target | 21:41 |
| ieatlint | plenty of sarcasm though | 21:41 |
| Appiah | InsatllationLog.txt does not say anything about it | 21:41 |
| ieatlint | ZogG_laptop: good job on the imgur app btw :) | 21:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | ieatlint: i can't make that oauth thing | 21:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm pretty stuck | 21:43 |
| ieatlint | there are qt based oauth implementations out there | 21:43 |
| ieatlint | lgpl or gpl though | 21:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: i don't think it fails, it creates dbus , how can i check the dbus data from console btw? | 21:43 |
| gri | "qdbus <servicename>" | 21:43 |
| ieatlint | obviously if it could be integrated in as a sharing account it would be awesome... i wonder if anyone in here who knows how that's done could help | 21:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: btw there is liboauth2plugin on repo | 21:44 |
| gri | but apt-cache can't find the oauth plugin on the device repositories | 21:44 |
| ieatlint | i might have some info to help on my laptop at home actually... will look this evening | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | qdbus /com/nokia/SingleSignOn/AuthSession_10 | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | Service '/com/nokia/SingleSignOn/AuthSession_10' is not a valid name. | 21:45 |
| gri | no that's the path | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri only on rzr lib | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | i thinl xauth has it inside | 21:45 |
| gri | "qdbus com.nokia.SingleSignOn /com/nokia/SingleSignOn/AuthSession_10" | 21:46 |
| gri | might be your line | 21:46 |
| gri | ieatlint: in what timezone are you since it's not evening where you are? :D | 21:47 |
| ieatlint | GMT-8 | 21:48 |
| ieatlint | california, where it's 10min til noon | 21:48 |
| gri | oh ok ... | 21:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: hmm there is someinfo there | 21:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: http://dpaste.org/3W9ZR/ | 21:50 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: those are functions you can call bot none of these makes sense in qdbus | 21:50 |
| gri | and as you see, these functions are the same as the AuthSession class has | 21:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri nosense to me eaither | 21:50 |
| daniel_o | ieatlint: same timezone like me :) | 21:51 |
| * ieatlint likes vancouver :) | 21:52 | |
| ieatlint | got to visit vhs last march | 21:52 |
| daniel_o | i'd like to visit california.. :D never been to the u.s. yet.. :D | 21:52 |
| Appiah | /opt/QtSDK/Madde/targets/harmattan_10.2011.34-1/bin/qmake is not existing <- any Idea on why I get that during the installation? | 21:53 |
| ieatlint | cheap flight or not the worst drive | 21:53 |
| ieatlint | you just have to deal with US customs violating your personal space | 21:53 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop, gri: speaking to some of my ex-colleagues in Nokia, it may be that the reason why the oauth2 plugin is not installed is simply because there is no package depending on it | 21:55 |
| ieatlint | make it to sf and i'll buy you a beer | 21:55 |
| mardy | therefore it is not pulled in the device image | 21:55 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop, gri: the good news is that it will probably be present with the next release | 21:55 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop: so, for the time being you could ship it yourself with your app (maybe rename it, to avoid conflicts) | 21:56 |
| daniel_o | i don't drink beer.. :D but ok :D | 21:56 |
| gri | haha | 21:56 |
| gri | mardy: Ovi rejected my app yesterday for installing sometething outside of /opt | 21:56 |
| gri | so he can't do that :) | 21:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: f the ovi, i'll use repos =) | 21:57 |
| gri | well then you're fine | 21:57 |
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| ieatlint | daniel_o: ok, then i'll buy you an effeminately named drink at a bar that oddly has no women in it | 21:59 |
| ieatlint | it's a good sf experience | 22:00 |
| daniel_o | :D ok | 22:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gri: mardy what u say about that? https://gitorious.org/harmattan-extra-packages/liboauth/blobs/master/tests/oauthdatapost.c | 22:03 |
| gri | that's not a signon plugin and even Qt-less | 22:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: that's the one thing i found that is build | 22:07 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: if you plan to use the repositories, build the plugin yourself and let RzR upload it if not already done | 22:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | mardy: do you have the pckage? | 22:09 |
| Pali | ping X-Fade | 22:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: going to use apps.formeego.org - but long way to it | 22:09 |
| mardy | ZogG_laptop: just checkout the "harmattan" branch, the packaging is in there | 22:09 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mardy: downloaded opened in qtcreator | 22:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | and it fails to build | 22:16 |
| gri | you should use scratchbox to build it | 22:18 |
| gri | QtSDK stops here: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: signon-plugins-dev (>= 9.15) | 22:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | meh, why is it so complicated =) | 22:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mardy btw there is merge requests for support for oauth1 | 22:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm close to give up =) | 22:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mardy: if you still here can you approve merge for oauth1.0a support | 22:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | as actually my service is 1.0a | 22:24 |
| gri | signon-plugins-dev in the sdk is 8.38 while the gitorious one wants a newer one ... :) | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gri: pong | 22:28 |
| gri | DocScrutinizer: Do you have a link to the sources iso? | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/SDK_Sources_PR1.1.ISO | 22:29 |
| gri | thank you :) | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 22:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gri: but i'm too noobie to write maakefile =\ | 22:37 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: huh? There is no need to write a makefile | 22:37 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gri: than? | 22:42 |
| gri | download the file, extract it, go with the terminal into the directory and do "fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage" and hope for the best | 22:42 |
| gri | but in this case I don't think it's that easy. You may have to build some dependencies, too. Or downgrade the oauth plugin until it compiles against the sdk versions | 22:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | why it's not even on sdk | 22:50 |
| jonni | sdk matches pr1.0 | 22:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: signon-plugins-dev (>= 9.15) | 22:55 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: is that one just as stable as the 1.1 kernel that comes with the N9? | 22:57 |
| gri | that means: downgrade your package sources until they fit the sdk ones OR also build signon-plugins yourself OR change the dependencies (ignore them) and hope it works | 22:57 |
| jonni | or if your brave add -d parameter to ignore dependencies :) | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: no idea | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought it's identical | 23:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: ignore not working and i can't downgrade as i have 8.38-7+0m6_armel | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: why should there be any stability differences? except for open mode maybe introducing issues | 23:03 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: Well... I don't know.. I think I asked before and some people wrote about stability issues.. | 23:04 |
| jonni | its identical, so no stability issues | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, now you're writing about stability issues | 23:04 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well.. isnt that the same? | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | noise | 23:05 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon-oauth2/commit/39d99dcf494ebc7355a7c1e37d2ed9615fb8e5bd | 23:05 |
| gri | if you revert back to that revision or the one before it was changed to 9.15, it may compile | 23:05 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gri: it may not work as well =) | 23:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: i think i'll give up on it, the funny thing is that twitter somehow works on n9 and it uses 1.0a | 23:07 |
| pawky | jonni: oh, now I saw your reply.. :-) | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >> There's another similar openmode kernel in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/unpatched_openmode_kernel/ which isn't patched at all and will simply make harmattan switch to openmode. << Isn't patched at all means 'identical' | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | minus the missing nokia signature, for obvious reasons - which makes it an openmode kernel | 23:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri i think i found soluton, but need to try | 23:12 |
| pawky | DocScrutinizer: well.. if that makes the phone open i will not cry to much if the nokia signure wouldn't be there, even if it would be nice.. ;-) | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pawky: you're missing the point: only the missing signature makes it enter open mode | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's absolutely the identical kernel | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | missing signature is the only difference | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | xloader 1st stage bootloader detects missing siganture and switches to open mode | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops actually nolo 2nd stage | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it had a valid signature it wouldn't be an openmode kernel but the original stock PR1.1 kernel | 23:18 |
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| jonni | ofcourse it would be even nicer, if patched version would have signature | 23:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri i think it uses signon | 23:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | so the problem is to get there an interacte with it | 23:20 |
| jonni | then you have working dbus and could bypass policy limitations | 23:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: what do you think - can i use it after i create session? | 23:21 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: signond loads the plugins and offers you the dbus interface, so I don't get what you're asking? | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: yes, the patched version would yield a true "aegis free secure mode" - if signed | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/secure/normal/ | 23:23 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: jonni: yes, the patched version would yield a true "aegis free normal mode" - if signed | 23:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gri: anyway i'll try to develop something else for now, maybe other lib and than would switch to this one as it would be avialble | 23:35 |
| gri | you can code the xbox live timetable program I have to do to see whether my brother cheaths his parental control or not :) | 23:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri ps3 ftw | 23:41 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: I have a ps3, no xbox | 23:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: i would like to implent a lot of things in my app but i need autharization for that | 23:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: but your bro has xbox? | 23:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | fat family | 23:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm tried calling from n9 had no volume, wierd | 23:42 |
| gri | but my brother (who lives with my mother) cheats his play times and xbox parental control sucks ... so I have to write a program that checks xbox.com and the router and writes down when his xbox is running and which game | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | restart would show | 23:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | is it healthy to take out simcard when phone is on? | 23:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh toggled flightmode on/off/on and than it shows no connection to cell, than called and it shows that i have and call is ok | 23:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | damn bugs are everywhere | 23:50 |
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