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| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: redownload it if you downloaded it already, added busyindicator (small for now) and added portrait lock | 00:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i have luck that guys helping me to code it +) | 00:01 |
| bemasc | ajalkane: do you know how to get groups that aegis has associated with a running process? II'm still not seeing any video, and I'm trying to figure out if my manifest is having any effect. | 00:07 |
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| gri | bemasc: "ps" to get the process id, then "accli -I -p <pid>" | 00:07 |
| bemasc | awesome, thanks. That does show GRP::video, so I guess I have some other bug... | 00:08 |
| bemasc | is an Appstderr/stdout logged anywhere? | 00:11 |
| bemasc | argh | 00:11 |
| bemasc | is an App | 00:11 |
| bemasc | ok, I can't type. | 00:11 |
| gri | logged to disk, no. But when you run it via console or QtCreator, you should see the output | 00:14 |
| bemasc | ok | 00:14 |
| bemasc | I'm seeing stderr, yeah | 00:14 |
| bemasc | maybe I'm getting stdout too | 00:14 |
| gri | I just use qDebug() from c++ and console.log() from qml - that's always visible for me :) | 00:15 |
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| bemasc | I'm using a library that spews stuff to stderr; just trying to make sure I'm getting max debug info. | 00:21 |
| gri | well, write something to stderr in the first lines of your main function and you will know | 00:22 |
| gri | as long as you don't use MApplication but QApplication the stderr output should be visible | 00:23 |
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| TSCHAKeee | ok seriously, wtf | 00:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | ever since i upgraded to this more recent PR release, development has been pure hell | 00:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | now, for some reason, even though Qt SDK compiles, deploys, runs the app, I do not get an icon on my app screen. | 00:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | main menu rather | 00:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | grrrrr | 00:27 |
| gri | TSCHAKeee: do you use absolute paths in your .desktop file? | 00:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm using Qt Creator | 00:28 |
| gri | that does not change my question | 00:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | how the hell would I know? | 00:28 |
| gri | open it? | 00:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's not like i'm manually creating it | 00:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh. | 00:29 |
| * TSCHAKeee resists the urge to dunk gri into a trashcan | 00:29 | |
| gri | well the .desktop file is somewhere in your directory | 00:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | hm, there was no desktop file in the build parameters.. I had to press add desktop file | 00:31 |
| gri | does not matter, inside the .desktop file is an Icon=/some/path line | 00:31 |
| gri | make sure the path exists | 00:31 |
| gri | then you icon will be visible :) | 00:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | I understand that, I've dealt with desktop files since 1997 when gnome was spawned from the depths of hell | 00:32 |
| gri | ok sorry | 00:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | no, it's okay, i'm being an ass. | 00:32 |
| * TSCHAKeee hugs gri | 00:32 | |
| gri | I just can not guess your experience :) | 00:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | just a little irritated that i'm working on a _LARGE_ QML/Qt project that spans across multiple platforms | 00:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | and shit breaks a little too easily | 00:33 |
| bemasc | ok ... maybe I found a bug in Harmattan? /dev/video0 appears to advertise V4L2_CAP_STREAMING but not V4L2_CAP_VIDEO_CAPTURE | 00:34 |
| bemasc | i.e. a kernel driver bug | 00:34 |
| bemasc | that would only be detected by very meticulous userspace | 00:34 |
| gri | are the images are actually deployed? The icons usally work for absolute paths. Non-absolute paths I know there are some bugs | 00:34 |
| bemasc | hmm. Maybe /dev/video0 isn't the camera... | 00:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | *nod* i'm digging through the terminal to see wtf is going on | 00:35 |
| JackaLX | bemasc: `udevadm info -ap $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/video0)' might give you some clues. Also try /dev/video1 through to /dev/video6 | 00:45 |
| pawky | is there a way to set the initial volume levels for the N9 phone in relation to the volumes you can set in with the graphical interface? The speaker distorts heavily when setting the ringtone level to a high enough level so one can hear it. | 00:45 |
| pawky | some register somewhere that needa patch? | 00:45 |
| bemasc | JackaLX: yep. Looks like /dev/video1 is the camera. Unfortunately it also looks like the kernel driver reports an error on VIDIOC_ENUM_FMT. | 00:47 |
| bemasc | So the kernel driver is WAY out of compliance with the V4L2 spec requirements, and then Nokia has some sort of crazy user-space workaround built into gstreamer. Which sucks if you aren't using gstreamer... | 00:50 |
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| Venemo | hey everyone :) | 01:13 |
| Venemo | I've downloaded a Lumia 800 skin for the WP7 emulator | 01:13 |
| gri | does it look better now? | 01:16 |
| Venemo | yes! a lot. | 01:16 |
| ajalkane | I'm not sure what a WP skin has to do with harmattan, and I'm afraid to ask. It shudders my bones to think of WP skins on harmattan. | 01:17 |
| gri | my girlfriend tried to swipe to the task manager on a lumia today | 01:18 |
| Venemo | ajalkane :) | 01:18 |
| Venemo | gri, yeah, I try to swipe on every phone. I think I'm a swipe-addict. | 01:18 |
| gri | It's funny to see how she tries to swipe on every phone she does not understand | 01:19 |
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| JackaLX | I was amazed at how easy and quickly it was to get used to swipe. It just seems so natural. | 01:20 |
| Venemo | JackaLX, me too | 01:20 |
| Venemo | gri, so you have a lumia? | 01:20 |
| JackaLX | doesn't lumia have swipe? | 01:20 |
| Venemo | nope, lumia has wp7 | 01:21 |
| gri | Venemo: not yet, we took a look at one in a shop | 01:21 |
| JackaLX | yeah, I know it has wp7, but thought that would have swipe | 01:21 |
| ajalkane | Just get her an N9. A phnoe without a terminal, no gf would use that | 01:21 |
| gri | well, my gf is not a technician ... if she has her sms and telephone ui it's fine | 01:22 |
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| gri | that's why I can use her for ui testing | 01:23 |
| gri | if she does understand it, everyone does | 01:23 |
| ajalkane | hah, I'm using my wife also for UI testing | 01:23 |
| ajalkane | Women are great for that kind of thing. I'm always over-thinking stuff. Things that are obvious for me can be just confusing for many users. God bless women. | 01:24 |
| JackaLX | every developer should have at least one non-techy person they can use for idiot-proofing LOL I have wife and kids :-) | 01:24 |
| ajalkane | Well, not women per-se, but non-technical spouses :) | 01:24 |
| JackaLX | though my kids aren't staying non-tech for long | 01:24 |
| ajalkane | Kids are just so annoyiong fast learners | 01:24 |
| Venemo | :D | 01:25 |
| gri | my 12 year old brother already knows how to cheat windows passwords etc. | 01:25 |
| Venemo | ajalkane, JackaLX, gri, so, that's +1 reason for me to get a new gf? | 01:25 |
| ajalkane | Venemo: gf can be an abbreviation for a girlfriend, or a goldfish. A thumb up for either one. | 01:26 |
| gri | the fish won't cook | 01:26 |
| JackaLX | fish can't swipe | 01:26 |
| ajalkane | True true, but a fish won't disturb you from coding either. | 01:27 |
| ajalkane | No complaining about beer drinking either. | 01:27 |
| JackaLX | fish can't make you coffee | 01:27 |
| JackaLX | or fetch more beer | 01:27 |
| ajalkane | I've found it hard to convince my wife to fetch me more beer. Maybe I just had bad luck. | 01:28 |
| Venemo | ajalkane, I was thinking girlfriend. we've broke up with the previous one a couple of months ago. | 01:28 |
| Jare | is using the ui drunk sufficient for a non-techy person? | 01:28 |
| ajalkane | Venemo: ah that's bad to hear. Well, if you miss it, fetch a new one. I guess I would miss it after a while. | 01:29 |
| JackaLX | Jare: not really, when you're drunk you still know _what_ you want to do, you just can't physically do it :-) | 01:29 |
| gri | that brings me to the idea I should make a "drunk messaging" application with predefined texts like "Pick me up, I'm at the police" "Lost my keys" "where are you?" :D | 01:30 |
| Jare | JackaLX: darn, i shouldn't find a techy gf then ;) | 01:30 |
| ajalkane | gri: can you make the screen detect when you vomit on it? It'd be cool to send some predefined message when you're just so drunk all you can do is vomit on the phone | 01:31 |
| gri | I don't think so but the screen might detect whether you cover it completely with your face or not :D | 01:31 |
| ajalkane | It wasn't long ago I forgot on my drunken adventures my keys to the appartment. Of course my wife had the phone on silent. | 01:32 |
| ajalkane | Luckily I had the car keys, so I could warm up the car and sleep there. | 01:32 |
| ajalkane | Still sucked. | 01:32 |
| gri | there are always non-digital stones for windows :) | 01:33 |
| ajalkane | too bad I live in the highest floor | 01:33 |
| gri | well I once slept in the underground parking of my office since I forgot my keys, had no money for taxi and it was too cold - and the warm air of the airconditioning of our server room ended there :) | 01:35 |
| ajalkane | that sounds bad :) | 01:36 |
| gri | no, the warm air from the server room heats up the whole parking lot | 01:36 |
| ajalkane | hehe... so it's almost like sleeping on grass on a warm summer night | 01:37 |
| gri | like that, yes :) | 01:37 |
| ajalkane | with a bonus of sniffing that sexy server smells | 01:37 |
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| Venemo | ajalkane, hehehe | 01:38 |
| Venemo | ajalkane, well, "fetch a new one" isn't that easy unfortunately. | 01:38 |
| gri | ajalkane: That was the only time I thought "hooray for non-optimized cpu-wasting code" :) | 01:39 |
| ajalkane | Venemo: true that. I guess the correct phrase would be "stumble on the right one". Meanwhile, there's many good things about being single, so enjoy them while it lasts! | 01:39 |
| JackaLX | Venemo: ebay? :-) | 01:40 |
| * gri still has no christmas present at all ... | 01:40 | |
| ajalkane | gri: hehe yeah, such an incident would encourage me to install some SETI background CPU churning apps to keep the servers nice and hot all the time | 01:40 |
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| Venemo | ajalkane, hehehe :D | 01:48 |
| Venemo | JackaLX, thanks, but no thanks! | 01:48 |
| Jare | nice, hot and noisy ;) | 01:48 |
| ieatlint | you can get women on ebay? | 01:51 |
| ieatlint | here i thought you had to use craigslist | 01:51 |
| gri | no, mine is from a catalog | 01:51 |
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| ieatlint | i'm pretty sure my landlord has a chinese mail-order bride... she barely speaks english and very obviously hates him with a passion, and there's more than 10 years age difference | 01:54 |
| ieatlint | based on what i've seen, save your money :P | 01:54 |
| ajalkane | Rumor mongering time... first time I've ever seen Elop saying a change in strategy is possible: "you always have to ask yourself if your chosen path is the right one. The mobile market has shown it can change quickly and radically, so we have to always track our strategy with the reality of the industry and make the adjustments—large or small—as necessary." | 01:54 |
| ajalkane | Before it was always "Plan B is Plan A is success" or something | 01:54 |
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| merlin1991 | javispedro: you said I should get rid of the harmattan sdk repo as soon as possible, why? | 03:15 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: you'll eventually dist-upgrade, install bash or some other potentially boot-breaking package | 03:16 |
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| merlin1991 | becuase of dependencies or sillyness on my side? :D | 03:17 |
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| javispedro | one or the other =) | 03:17 |
| merlin1991 | I don't trust dis-upgrade with nokia os anymore after several stories around the n900 :D | 03:17 |
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| TSCHAKeee | hmm, my n950 does not have com.nokia.meego 1.1 | 03:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | it has 1.0 | 03:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | :( | 03:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | there doesn't seem to be an upgrade for me though.. *scratch-head* | 03:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles1 | TSCHAKeee, they're only available as full images. | 03:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles1 | Well, that's not true actually | 03:49 |
| * TSCHAKeee facepalms | 03:49 | |
| GeneralAntilles1 | But I think the first one was flash-only. | 03:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm getting very tired of Qt's inconsistent documentation... | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles1 | Yeah, it's rather frustrating. | 03:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad because it rocks when you can get past that. | 03:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | I know | 03:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | we've managed to do some amazing work | 03:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | but i've been away from harmattan work for four months now | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's really the saddest part about Tizen. | 03:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | i had to take care of other things | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | No Qt. :( | 03:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | and... | 03:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | enough stuff has changed that it's making me ache. | 03:52 |
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| Iktwo | I just finished an app to show the password of previously connected WiFi Networks, here's the code and the binary https://github.com/Iktwo/WiFi-Pass-Recovery hope someone could test it and give some feedback, it's already on QA | 05:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | does anyone have a link to some QML that makes a nice harmattan header bar that follows UX? | 05:28 |
| * TSCHAKeee really finds it silly that this wasn't made as a default component. | 05:28 | |
| Iktwo | actually I have a tittle bar in WiFi-Pass-Recovery | 05:29 |
| Iktwo | http://iktwo.wikidot.com/local--files/wpr/wpr_1.0.0_armel.deb | 05:29 |
| Iktwo | sorry | 05:29 |
| Iktwo | the link of github | 05:29 |
| Iktwo | https://github.com/Iktwo/WiFi-Pass-Recovery | 05:29 |
| Iktwo | look in the qml folder | 05:29 |
| Iktwo | https://github.com/Iktwo/WiFi-Pass-Recovery/blob/master/qml/TittleBar.qml here it's te tittle bar | 05:29 |
| Iktwo | and to use it you can see MainPage.qml | 05:30 |
| Iktwo | it supports a logo and the author name if you want, you can change the color | 05:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | thanks, it's pretty close to mine. | 05:31 |
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| Aranel | How can I call some element from another .qml? like calling a Sheet{ from SomethingElse.qml, but not copy/pasting it of course. | 06:04 |
| Iktwo | the name of the element must beggin with a capittal letter and you call it with that name | 06:05 |
| Iktwo | for example if you a QML called Bar.qml | 06:05 |
| Iktwo | to use it | 06:05 |
| Iktwo | you have to do Bar{} | 06:06 |
| Iktwo | and set properties | 06:06 |
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| Aranel | Iktwo: well I have some elements on Bar.qml, I want to pick Sheet out of them to use it on another qml file, how can I? (like importing it) | 06:06 |
| Iktwo | I'm not sure if I understand your problem, but I would split all elements to separte .qml files and the call it as I said Bar{} | 06:08 |
| Iktwo | OtherElement{} | 06:08 |
| Aranel | Iktwo: think of it like you have a file named Menus.qml, and you want to use secondMenu { something } from it. | 06:09 |
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| Aranel | Iktwo: well If I create a seperate file each time I want to share an element, I'd have to maintain an army of them :| | 06:10 |
| Iktwo | I understand | 06:10 |
| Iktwo | I haven't done what you need | 06:11 |
| Aranel | Iktwo: okay ^^ thanks anyway. | 06:12 |
| Aranel | my question stands, how can I call an element from SomethingElse.qml to use it in Something.qml, instead of c/p of course? Suggestions, Anyone? | 06:13 |
| Iktwo | and if you try to make a general menu? | 06:13 |
| Aranel | Iktwo: general menu as in? | 06:14 |
| Iktwo | and set properties for each one? | 06:14 |
| Iktwo | mmmm you don't want to separate each menu (if the menu example it's ok) because you will have a lot of files | 06:14 |
| Iktwo | why not just a gneral file and change the properties for each instance? | 06:15 |
| Iktwo | is it possible to do that in your application? | 06:15 |
| Aranel | Iktwo: I have elements like this one: Menu { id: headerMenu visualParent: pageStack MenuLayout {... } , I have to use this menu on couple of other Page's, each Page has it's own .qml file, like AboutPage, DetailPage, SettingsPage etc. So I'm looking for a better option than copy/pasting the menu. | 06:16 |
| Aranel | Iktwo: hmm I couldn't understand that, can you give me an example code? | 06:17 |
| Iktwo | the menu it's the same in all of the pages? | 06:17 |
| Iktwo | sure | 06:17 |
| Aranel | yes, it's exactly same with same attributes and exact same MenuItems | 06:17 |
| Aranel | if I simply c/p it, a) It's a waste of resource b) It's hard to maintain, since If I make a change on that Menu, I have to grep it out and find every instance I've copied it and change it manually. | 06:18 |
| Iktwo | but if the menu it's the same you can call it from all your QML, I'm looking for an example that could be useful to you | 06:20 |
| Iktwo | could you try to create a Menu instance in your main qml file assign and ID and then test if you can set it to otther qml files with that ID? | 06:21 |
| Iktwo | I think that's possible | 06:21 |
| Aranel | Iktwo: yup It works that way, but it doesn't work on the reverse, I can't make it call a Sheet on SettingsPage.qml for example, it works like main.qml > SettingPage.qml, not the other way, they don't share elements. | 06:23 |
| Iktwo | oh :S | 06:24 |
| Aranel | Iktwo: for example if I place the Menu on main.qml and onClicked: someSheet.open(), It won't work. | 06:24 |
| Aranel | then I would need something like "import" again :) | 06:24 |
| Aranel | TSCHAKeee: by the way, there was a wiki page for standardized headers, if you still need a resource for it. | 06:25 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Aranel: i would like to see it, yes. | 06:29 |
| Aranel | TSCHAKeee: I can't remember the exact URL, but I'm also using a mostly c/p 'ed version of it with small changes, I'll pastebin it for you. | 06:32 |
| Aranel | TSCHAKeee: http://pastebin.com/0GcZJRbN | 06:33 |
| Aranel | remove the MouseArea and Image (I added them to make it call a menu) , change it's color and text, and here you go. | 06:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | thanks. yes, I am doing similar. | 06:35 |
| * Aranel just dreams of a Pastebin screensaver. Wouldn't it be awesome *-* | 06:36 | |
| TSCHAKeee | damn... I remember there was a way to do a Menu component dynamically | 06:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | but I lost all my code from months ago that did it... anyone remember what was needed for that? | 06:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | i remember now... a repeater. | 07:13 |
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| chris_ | also how do I launch my control panel applet programmaticaly? | 09:21 |
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| rainisto | mpr: it only gives wrong rootcontext if you use QScopedPointer (if you disable booster it will work ok), and the application skeleton for booster will be fixed in next qt creator release. | 15:39 |
| rainisto | known bug in current sdk release(tm) | 15:39 |
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| jonni | hmm, was my secondary nick in use for some reason... | 15:40 |
| tarantism | Does anyone know how to minimise an app programmatically? I've searched and I've hunted and searched and hunted ... | 15:50 |
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| gri | jonni: booster = invoker? | 16:12 |
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| Aranel | how can I change acceptButton color in Sheets? It defaults to blue, but calendar uses orange buttons, so it should be possible? | 17:59 |
| M4rtinK | maybe through some styling properties ? | 18:08 |
| dymaxion | Does anyone here still have problemsm with Facebook account logging out repeatedly? I get this all the time, and eventually I get "Account Disabled" in the harmattan client... I have to delete the account and re-add and start again. | 18:17 |
| dymaxion | after a few days the same problem eventually gets the account locked on the N9... and repeat.... it's driving me mad! | 18:18 |
| dymaxion | also after rebooting, I have to re-enter ALL my passwords for every account all over again... eg 9 times... FB/twitter/ ( gmail & gmailchat x 3) etc.etc. anyone seen this prob? | 18:19 |
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| Aranel | dymaxion: I remember that I heard of that problem you last mentioned (re-entering all pw), check Harmattan Bugs, most likely it's already reported. | 18:58 |
| * Aranel wonders if "Incorrect Password" on FBChat/GTalk bug is resolved yet | 19:01 | |
| Aranel | dymaxion: https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=123 | 19:02 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 123 maj, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, accounts passwords are not remembered accross reboots | 19:02 |
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| pawky | I had it after flashing the firmware, someone has told me it will go away if one also flash(?) eMMC | 19:18 |
| pawky | might also have to to with restoring from backup after doing a firmware flash.. | 19:19 |
| pawky | what are you to do if you have a form that takes 2 Date inputs, but you only enters one of them? as the second field is saved as an empty string, Catalyst goes bonkers over it when wanting to show the update.... | 19:28 |
| pawky | (bugger!... wrong channel) | 19:28 |
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| jonni | gri: yep, booster = invoker | 19:36 |
| gri | jonni: Do you know when they will remove that fork() code? :) | 19:37 |
| jonni | gri: most likely never, but they will fix creators wizard application template so it doesnt create 2 QDeclarativeView instances for every boosted app | 19:39 |
| gri | hmm that does not help me since I don't even use the template | 19:40 |
| jonni | will be fixed in qt crator 2.4.0 | 19:40 |
| gri | I have the problem that when I provide tokens in my manifest.aegis, my application does not get those until I restart the phone or applauncherd | 19:41 |
| gri | this means simply installing and starting app with invoker = credentials missing | 19:41 |
| jonni | gri: that is different issue, which can be fixed in your deb packages postinst script | 19:41 |
| gri | jonni: currently I restart applauncherd in postinst | 19:41 |
| gri | but this has a side effect | 19:41 |
| gri | it closes all applications started by invoker | 19:41 |
| gri | this means: install my app with ovi store client and it will close the ovi store client :D | 19:42 |
| jonni | heh, a feature, maybe just issue reboot in postinst :) | 19:43 |
| jonni | or how do you restart, with initctl | 19:44 |
| jonni | ? | 19:44 |
| gri | yes | 19:44 |
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| gri | https://gitorious.org/web2sms/web2sms/blobs/master/qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan/postinst#line39 | 19:44 |
| jonni | might work better if you just kill the process, that way it most likely wont kill the running ones | 19:47 |
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| gri | the funny part is: it does not kill the instances immediately | 19:49 |
| jonni | atleast when I did kill -9 to the process, it didnt kill the existent invoker sessions | 19:49 |
| gri | it takes up to 20 seconds until it starts closing applications | 19:49 |
| gri | which one to kill | 19:50 |
| gri | booster-d or the root one? | 19:50 |
| jonni | nope | 19:50 |
| jonni | /usr/bin/applauncherd.bin | 19:51 |
| gri | root is not allowed to kill | 19:51 |
| jonni | all the invokers are still up and running and its been a few minutes already. :=), and it automaticly respawns another applaucherd.bin when I just kill -9's it | 19:51 |
| jonni | send kill -9 as user | 19:52 |
| gri | postinst will be run be root, so is there a way to exec something as user from there? | 19:52 |
| jonni | you can run postinst as user, just say so in the aegis file | 19:53 |
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| gri | huh? tell me how :) | 19:53 |
| gri | kill did also kill the phone ui | 19:54 |
| gri | so nothing different to initctl restart | 19:54 |
| gri | it closed 20 seconds after the kill | 19:54 |
| jonni | hmm, didnt close for me | 19:54 |
| jonni | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Aegis_manifest_syntax.html there is "request credentials for install scripts" | 19:55 |
| gri | just tried again: phone, contacts and browser visible in task manager | 19:56 |
| gri | then the kill: 20 seconds nothing, then all start closing | 19:56 |
| jonni | or you can just devel-su - user -c "echo foobar" | 19:56 |
| jonni | and you did kill -9 <pid> = | 19:56 |
| gri | yes | 19:57 |
| jonni | ah, then it just just a feature that if you use booster in application that you need to initctl restart or reboot the device and apps will close. But if your app doesnt need the faster startuptime and want to introduce credentials in clean way, then just dont use booster/invoker at all. | 19:59 |
| jonni | it only gains you few hundred ms in startuptimes to use booster. | 20:00 |
| gri | my application start is already as slow as hell :D | 20:00 |
| jonni | qml loaders (tm) :) | 20:00 |
| gri | so I need the applauncher for the image, otherwise users think it never starts | 20:00 |
| jonni | or just make minimal qml application that shows image first and use loaders to load the rest | 20:02 |
| gri | already tried that | 20:03 |
| gri | but the loaders don't load threaded | 20:03 |
| gri | and the library loading takes the time | 20:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: \o/ | 20:07 |
| jonni | or make 2 binaries, one launcher kind, which is started with invoker, ie get splashscreen fast on screen (which doesnt introduce new credentials) and just systems the second one which is the main app where those new credentials are. | 20:07 |
| jonni | but yes its a kind of tricky if you introduce new credentials to system and want to use booster | 20:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: led wouldn't work for communication no matter for pattern | 20:08 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: yep, nothing in the backend is using it, only bme uses charger pattern | 20:09 |
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| ZogG_laptop | nothing has credials for it | 20:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: btw my led while charging started to work suddenly after few reboots probably | 20:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | i just saw it now | 20:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | as at night i charged and it didn't work | 20:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni btw for what is nokia account is used except sync and what it would do if the sync fails? coz it asks me for password every 20 mins now | 20:14 |
| gri | jonni: Did you know that the AID changes after ovi store has signed a package? | 20:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | haha Ovi | 20:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | i can't use ovi store | 20:28 |
| dymaxion | Aranel, thanks for the bug link. Looks like the account bug is fixed,. but I just have to wait for PR1.2 or full reset my phone :-( | 20:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | dymaxion: who said it' s really fixed in pr1.2 | 20:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | ? | 20:29 |
| Aranel | dymaxion: yes, unfortunately it seems so | 20:29 |
| jonni | afaik, full reset will not fix it. | 20:37 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: full reset and full flash may do that, but than again, who said it would never happen again. my phone worked fine till one day i got that bug | 20:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm not even sure if it's fixed =) | 20:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: that's why bugfixes for critical things should be released sooner than new update. i can't use /download/ login in ovi store app on phone. so don't ask me about piracy after that | 20:42 |
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| jonni | I havent been asking :) | 20:44 |
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| ZogG_laptop | frals: http://store.ovi.com/content/230654?clickSource=browse&categoryId=23&contentArea=applications&pos=3 | 20:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | your idea is stolen as i assume your code | 20:49 |
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| ZogG_laptop | noone gives me even negative reviews for app | 20:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | =( | 21:00 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: what is your app? | 21:01 |
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| pawky | does anybody know of any config file where one can trim the maximum volume output for the device? When using the graphical volume changer, the sound will be distorted after just about half the total volume at hand... | 21:13 |
| pawky | There must be a way to fine tune the driver a bit... or the hardware.. | 21:13 |
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| ieatlint | it'll be pulseaudio config in /etc, but aegis might protect it | 21:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri imgrup | 21:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | pawky: alsamixer? | 21:23 |
| pawky | hmm... | 21:24 |
| pawky | using, config file? | 21:24 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: the name does not tell me anything about it :) What does it do? | 21:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm upload images to imgur ? =) | 21:25 |
| gri | oh ok, never heard of that service | 21:25 |
| chris_ | hello, what is the best way to toggle the autostart at boot of my app from a settings-applet? | 21:26 |
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| pawky | ZogG_laptop: What config file is the alsamixer using? | 21:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | pawky: u can start it fom terminal | 21:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | pawky: check the tmo people tlked about it there. i just know the app as i use it sometimes over ssh to control volume on computer | 21:27 |
| pawky | ZogG_laptop: Remember it from the Openmoko projekt, didnt know it was on the N9. Will try it :-) | 21:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2336306/imgrup_0.0.3_armel.deb | 21:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | pawky: it's actually builtin for alsa app and we have it on almost all computers using alsa as most computers do by default | 21:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | linux of course | 21:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | pawky: but i bet u have lower volume than others cozz of mainboard problems =))))))))) | 21:29 |
| pawky | ZogG_laptop: Oh, no... not again.... | 21:30 |
| pawky | ZogG_laptop: Is that a known issue? | 21:30 |
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| pawky | ZogG_laptop: Or are you just standard mocking me... :-) | 21:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | pawky: mokcking | 21:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | volume problem is standrt for all n9 as far as i know | 21:33 |
| pawky | ok. | 21:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | people complain it's too quite though it's fine for me | 21:33 |
| pawky | mine is.. ok, except for that jimmi hendrix distortion that comes with it... | 21:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | what? | 21:34 |
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| pawky | well.. the sound is distorted... | 21:34 |
| pawky | like.. jimmi hendrix quitar, .. the guy ho invented the distbox.. | 21:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | any call? | 21:35 |
| pawky | its, not the call.. its the ring signal.. | 21:35 |
| pawky | the voice call is ok | 21:35 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and music? tried headphones? changing ringtone? | 21:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | mp3 or what format is it btw | 21:36 |
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| pawky | i believe head phones is ok.. and playing music through speaker is, fairly ok as well... | 21:37 |
| pawky | First it was, the standard it came with.. now its an MP3.. | 21:37 |
| pawky | i think alsamixer might do the trick... once I remember how to ssh into this damn thing.. | 21:37 |
| pawky | is it user@ or deve-su@? | 21:38 |
| pawky | (devel-su) | 21:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | depends on pr | 21:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | developer if sdk connection is installed | 21:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | and than devel-su | 21:39 |
| pawky | ahh.. | 21:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | check the password in it as well | 21:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | root is disabled in pr1.1 | 21:40 |
| pawky | in what way? | 21:40 |
| pawky | why didnt anybody tell me thes BEFORE i upgraded the damn thing to 1.1 :-( | 21:40 |
| pawky | oh, maybe you only meant root as login name.. | 21:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | root as ssh | 21:41 |
| pawky | nope.. developer@ doesnt woork.. | 21:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | devel-su should work | 21:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | pawky: do you have developer mode enabled? | 21:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | if you do than open sdk and set wlan or usb config as you desire | 21:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | i use wlan as i failed to make usb work | 21:42 |
| pawky | ZogG_laptop: But of course.. :-) | 21:42 |
| pawky | ZogG_laptop: I have succeeded with USB with the broken N9, so it should work.. i just dont get past login. | 21:42 |
| pawky | tried developer, user, root, and devel-su.... | 21:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | try over wlan with developer | 21:43 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, Ovi publishing interface doesn't look that bad but there are still quite a few quirks | 21:44 |
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| M4rtinK | like many fields with character count limit but without realtime character counter | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK is only guy thanked me for imgrup | 21:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | =) | 21:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: i have updated the app, feedback on forum is welcome | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | hh | 21:47 |
| pawky | had to set a new password for developer@ to log in... | 21:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | pawky: you need to open sdk and generate one than just generate keys for passwordless ssh =) | 21:53 |
| jonni | and there is instructions in internet howto enable root ssh on pr1.1 also. | 21:55 |
| pawky | well..I did search... | 21:57 |
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| jonni | pawky: googlesearch "n9_pr1.1_remote_root_ssh_login.txt" | 22:02 |
| BluABK | Heya, folks. Is anyone here good with flashing Nokia N9? When I try to flash it, it says that the kernel file is sent, but it still boots into the default one. Even when I flash it with an invalid kernel it says thatit's sent and it boots fine (into the defualt one). The command I use to flash is: ./flasher-3.5 -k <kernelpath> -l -b. What am I doing wrong? =/ | 22:02 |
| pawky | jonni: got my new N9.. what a DIFFERENCE.... :-D | 22:03 |
| jonni | BluABK: 1st of all you need to use 3.12.1 and not 3.5 of the flasher | 22:04 |
| jonni | as 3.5 is only for N900, and 3.12.1 is for N9 | 22:05 |
| BluABK | jonni: oh, any particular reason for that? Just curious | 22:05 |
| BluABK | ah | 22:05 |
| BluABK | I see | 22:05 |
| BluABK | Thanks, I'll try that then ^^ | 22:05 |
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| jonni | pawky: yep its nice feeling when there is no random reboots :) | 22:08 |
| pawky | jonni: yeah, it took me about two months, but finally Nokia sent me a new one, and the old is going back next week. :-) | 22:09 |
| BluABK | jonni: Oh and by the way, is there a non-debian version of the N9 flasher? I can only see .deb's =/ | 22:10 |
| pawky | BluABK: well, should run under Ubuntu as well I presume ;-) | 22:10 |
| pawky | BluABK: but none for the RPMs as far as my investigation goes.. | 22:10 |
| BluABK | Well I have archlinux and gentoo at this end... great.. So I need to set up a virtual machine for the sole purpose of N9-flashing, yay... | 22:11 |
| jonni | BluABK: pawky: yep only debs available, but you can use ar x to extract debs on rpm distros | 22:13 |
| BluABK | Right, I'll try that then. Thanks again. | 22:14 |
| jonni | so you can just extract the flasher and use it on other distros aswell | 22:14 |
| pawky | jonni: I think I tried with various results... installed debian on another machine to solve it once and for all.. | 22:15 |
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| pawky | I don't get this... How come the sound is different when a MP3 is playd as a ringtone, compared to the ordinayr player? | 22:30 |
| pawky | when it's played as a ringtone its a bit quieter, and distortion... but not when played manually through the App.... | 22:31 |
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| pawky | Is there any hardware wiring guru who knowse what volume lever goes to what part, and which is to be changed to make them similar, when using alsamixer? | 22:33 |
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| chris_ | M_LIBRARY macro isnt recognized | 22:44 |
| BluABK | Okay I tried with the correct flasher (extracted from .deb) and it's exactly the same as last time. Nothing seems to be changing on the phone... Any ideas? | 22:46 |
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| pawky | BluABK: how do you mean? | 22:47 |
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| BluABK | well it gives me "Sending kernel image (100 kB)...", but when I boot it's the default kernel and nothing's changed at all, even flash ed with an invalid kernel, and nothing happens then either.. | 22:48 |
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| BluABK | (the example pasta is from the invalid kernel, thus 100 kb large) | 22:49 |
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| pawky | BluABK:using OS? | 22:49 |
| BluABK | pawky: gentoo, but tried with the windows flasher as well yesterday (and that one flashed PR 1.1. FIASCO fine) with same result.. | 22:50 |
| pawky | BluABK: the result being, nothing happens? | 22:51 |
| BluABK | yes | 22:51 |
| BluABK | it boots as if I never flashed any kernel image at all | 22:51 |
| pawky | BluABK: what's the flash log saying? | 22:52 |
| BluABK | sec | 22:52 |
| BluABK | https://pastee.org/gcanh | 22:53 |
| jonni | -l -b -k doesnt flash anything it only boots the kernel in memory, you need to use -f -k -a if you want to flash something | 22:54 |
| BluABK | really? Well I only got the -l and -b from javaispedro's post about the kernel flashing on the forums | 22:55 |
| BluABK | but I suppsoe that's for the 3.5 flasher? | 22:55 |
| chris_ | anyone knows about binary settings applets here? | 22:56 |
| chris_ | trying to follow this: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/showdoc.php?pkn=libduicontrolpanel&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9saWJkdWljb250cm9scGFuZWw%3D | 22:56 |
| jonni | BluABK: in 4.5 -l -b only loads if also | 22:56 |
| jonni | BluABK: in 3.5 -l -b only loads if also even | 22:56 |
| BluABK | jonni: so what do I supply to the -a? The PR 1.1 FISACO .bin file? | 22:57 |
| chris_ | problem is I dont know what suposed to go into #include "dcpskeleton.h" | 22:57 |
| jonni | BluABK: yep | 22:57 |
| BluABK | Right, so much for thinking I wouldn't need to re-install my apps all over again.. oh well, not like it's the first time =P | 22:57 |
| BluABK | "[x] kernel [finished 100 % 2708 / 2708 kB 2105 kB/s]" wee! | 22:59 |
| BluABK | jonni: Thanks ^^ | 22:59 |
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| BluABK | Well flashing seems to work, however I keep "bricking" it... Only working flash atm is the FIASCO image using the -F and -f parameters only *sigh* | 23:16 |
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| BluABK | https://pastee.org/qjd43 - flasher output | 23:20 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: ping | 23:25 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: pong | 23:25 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: what oauth library is used on meego? | 23:26 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: no idea | 23:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 23:26 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon-oauth2 ? | 23:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: thanks, have you ever worked with oauth on harmattan? | 23:30 |
| artemma | Hi All | 23:31 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: no, but it should be easy | 23:31 |
| artemma | My Daily Wallpaper became one of the Qt showcases :) | 23:31 |
| artemma | http://qt.nokia.com/qt-in-use/ambassadors/project?id=a0F2000000BCYpDEAX | 23:31 |
| artemma | looks cool | 23:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | artemma: mazal tov | 23:31 |
| artemma | thx | 23:32 |
| artemma | and it eventually works most of the time :D | 23:32 |
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| gri | artemma: how long did it take until you got a reply from ambassador application? | 23:34 |
| artemma | gri, that was super-fast actually | 23:34 |
| artemma | everything took less than a week and I know that person caring after it was traveling from Oslo to SF dev days on that week | 23:35 |
| gri | hmm, I haven't received any reply for 3 weeks now | 23:35 |
| artemma | or well, exactly app review, maybe a little over a week | 23:35 |
| artemma | did you decide to submit your app yourself? | 23:36 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey gri | 23:36 |
| gri | hey Venemo_N950 | 23:36 |
| gri | artemma: I only filled out the forms on their website | 23:36 |
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| gri | artemma: but I linked to nokia developer projects which was down from that day until last week :D | 23:37 |
| artemma | hmm, I was invited, maybe that causes some difference in timing, though it shouldn't probably | 23:37 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, are you "theoriginalgri" on twitter? | 23:37 |
| artemma | oh, being unable to test the project may indeed delay it from being a showcase :) | 23:37 |
| gri | Venemo_N950: in most cases, yes | 23:38 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, in most cases? :P | 23:38 |
| gri | Venemo_N950: If you curse theoriginalgri or do some voodoo, it's not me | 23:38 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, were you able to fetch my .deb? | 23:39 |
| gri | Venemo_N950: I installed it on the n950 but had no time to actually play with it | 23:39 |
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| gri | I was not able to rotate a part with 2 hands, only one worked for some reason | 23:40 |
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| gri | I think my finger are broken | 23:40 |
| gri | now it works :D | 23:40 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, it should work. N950 accepts 6 touch points, so I can rotate 3 different pieces at once | 23:41 |
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| gri | there should be a button that shows me the complete image again, otherwise I might never solve it | 23:42 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, just use the tabs and blanks and your logics :) | 23:42 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, about the touch issue: all people accidentally tap on the blanks (the cut-out areas), and those are not considered part of the piece. | 23:42 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, there's currently no option to reshow the full image, but it's a good idea :) | 23:43 |
| gri | a one-finger-mode would also be great: for example show a round circle around the piece (like the one google earth has to rotate) | 23:44 |
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| gri | also cool: drag a piece out of the screen, it never comes back | 23:45 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, one-finger mode is something I haven't came up a good gesture for yet. | 23:45 |
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| Venemo_N950 | gri, yeah, don't drag 'em out. that's a known issue with the current release | 23:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, also if you add a custom image, the app will forget it on next launch. | 23:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, ping | 23:47 |
| pawky | jonni: do you know someone who could tell which different volume levers are used for ringtone compared to playing music? | 23:48 |
| pawky | jonni: in alsamixer that is... | 23:49 |
| pawky | is vim available for the N9 | 23:51 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, also, what's your opinion about the app's startup time? | 23:52 |
| gri | Venemo_N950: it starts fast but the framerate inside the application is not perfect | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N950, just a little iOS-y tip | 23:53 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, during the game itself or the animations? | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | iOS has a radius around every touch point, so you almost never miss a UI button | 23:53 |
| Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, I'm listening as always :) | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | have an invisible touch-sensitive radius around the puzzle pieces | 23:53 |
| gri | Venemo_N950: when dragging pieces it appears as not dragging fluently | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | not something big though,, that would cause problems | 23:53 |
| Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, hmmmm dat's a good idea | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | Please, use proper english :P | 23:54 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, how many pieces are there and how many apps are running in the background? | 23:54 |
| Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, hmmmm that's a good idea | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | it shouldn't matter | 23:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri do you think it's only oauth2 | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | the N950 should be able to pilot a nuke while running puzzle-master | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | seriously, it's your code, not the N950 :p | 23:55 |
| gri | Venemo_N950: no other apps, 4*3 pices | 23:55 |
| Venemo_N950 | ok | 23:55 |
| Venemo_N950 | so it's just crappy :) I get it. | 23:55 |
| Venemo_N950 | I'll see what I can do about it, but I don't have too many ideas about this. | 23:56 |
| gri | too much antialiasing? | 23:56 |
| ajalkane | When I have no idea about how to fix it, instead of admitting my own failure I just say "it's open source, why don't you fix it yourself instead of complaining" | 23:57 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: what are you asking? | 23:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, no antialiasing at all | 23:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | gri, I just paint a pixmap and a QPainterPath there | 23:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri is it only oauth 2.0 or it includes oauth 1.0 | 23:58 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop: in the source 1.0 is also mentioned, so it should be both | 23:59 |
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