IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2011-12-08

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corecode	hm	00:05
corecode	my n9 thinks it is in landscape mode	00:05
corecode	but it isn't	00:05
corecode	and i can't turn the orientation	00:05
corecode	touchscreen is in landscape, display in portrait	00:06
corecode	any ideas how to fix this?	00:06
ajalkane	reboot?	00:06
corecode	that's a bit boring	00:08
ajalkane	you can try killing random processes, that's more exciting and might reset the state :)	00:09
corecode	beh	00:09
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ajalkane	Basically if you're adventurous you might try killing meegotouchhome process.	00:10
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DocScrutinizer	rotate touchscreen 90° relating to display - with a bit of forearm training or a long lever it might work	01:05
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z720	N9 got new update PR1.1.1	05:02
z720	pls check navifirm	05:02
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z720	only NDT version found in this round update 22.2011.44.2	06:11
Sazpaimon	z720, PR1.1.1 is MEA only	06:14
Sazpaimon	its for arabic keyboard support	06:14
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z720	besides arabic keyboard i think should have some change as well.	06:16
Sazpaimon	nope	06:17
z720	just keyboard?	06:17
Sazpaimon	http://mobility.com.ng/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/N9-PR1-1-1.jpg	06:17
Sazpaimon	there are some other app updates being pushed seperately though	06:18
Sazpaimon	but not part of PR1.1.1 as far as I can tell	06:18
Sazpaimon	most notably that version of twitter supports picture uploads	06:18
Sazpaimon	i do not think they are included with the PR1.1.1 firmware though, but I may be wrong	06:19
z720	then better wait for PR1.2	06:21
Sazpaimon	yep	06:21
Sazpaimon	I forget, are odd releases bugfix updates or even	06:22
z720	hopefully next update with VPN, office suite & wpa_supplicant support. then only this is real smartphone	06:25
Sazpaimon	offie suite fully depends on quickoffice being ported I believe	06:26
Sazpaimon	which didn't happen on maemo 5	06:26
z720	doesn't care what office they going to use, at least have something to open docs or xlx documents. else it look every handicap	06:28
Sazpaimon	like I said	06:28
Sazpaimon	nokia has pretty much dealt with quickoffice on all their phones	06:28
Sazpaimon	look at any symbian handset	06:28
Sazpaimon	it uses quickoffice as their office suite	06:28
Sazpaimon	i doubt nokia will do that in-house	06:28
Sazpaimon	it pretty much completely depends on quickoffice porting it	06:29
Sazpaimon	so don't hold your breath	06:29
Sazpaimon	wpa_supplicant is a must have, though	06:30
svuorela	the document viewer should be able to handle excel and word documents ... (and actually, the engine can also do editing)	06:31
Sazpaimon	svuorela, can it handle the newer XML format?	06:32
Sazpaimon	ive not checked	06:32
svuorela	Sazpaimon: at least the desktop edition is the thing in my linux desktop that shows docx documents best ...	06:33
Sazpaimon	i really don't care myself, N9 as an office tool is kind of not really good	06:34
Sazpaimon	even with the best office tools	06:34
Sazpaimon	but what we have now is likely what we'll continue to see	06:35
Sazpaimon	as far as VPN, symbian's VPN is horrendeous now, I'm not sure if they'll port it to harmattan	06:35
z720	N9 more on multimedia from what i see now.	06:35
Sazpaimon	there's an openvpn client for harmattan I believe	06:36
Sazpaimon	ive not installed nor tested it	06:37
Sazpaimon	as far as stuff like cisco vpn, good lucj	06:37
Sazpaimon	*luck	06:37
Sazpaimon	there's an anyconnect client for maemo 5, so the possibility of a harmattan port isn't far off	06:38
z720	vpnc tested, but no gui and need root	06:38
Sazpaimon	as far as something from nokia though, don't expect it any time soon	06:38
heeeegua_	anyone know the mobility have a bug in QCamera in meego's platform	06:39
Sazpaimon	z720, you can theoretically run vpnc as a normal user	06:40
Sazpaimon	if you create the tunnel in advance as root	06:40
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Sazpaimon	so some init script i guess	06:41
z720	then hv to deep drive	06:41
z720	actually wpa_supplicant from debian armel work too, but need to use scripting as well, dont know about QT devel, else at least can work on QT gui	06:44
Sazpaimon	i wouldnt trust debian armel packages on maemo	06:44
Sazpaimon	harmattan that is	06:45
Sazpaimon	debian armel is compiled for softfp	06:45
Sazpaimon	you're more likely to get floating point exceptions on hardfp harmattan	06:46
Sazpaimon	there's a debian armhf in sid, but that won't install properly on harmattan due to the architecture in the deb control being different than what harmattan is	06:46
Sazpaimon	even though they're theoretically more compatible	06:46
Sazpaimon	and since it's sid, you're more likely to have dependency issues	06:46
z720	yupe, i did try a lot of app from debian but 99% dependency issues	06:47
Sazpaimon	also, there's a qt wpa_supplicant gui	06:47
Sazpaimon	http://packages.debian.org/sid/wpagui	06:48
Sazpaimon	looks pretty nice	06:48
Sazpaimon	could probably be adapted to harmattan fairly well	06:48
z720	it doesn't work	06:48
Sazpaimon	define "doesn't work"	06:48
Sazpaimon	it doesn't run?	06:48
z720	dependency issues	06:49
z720	QT lib version not match with harmattan QT	06:49
Sazpaimon	z720, install the version from lenny?	06:56
z720	let me try	06:58
Sazpaimon	it still probably needs to be recompiled for harmattan	07:00
z720	yupe u r right. syntax error when try to execute	07:07
Sazpaimon	z720, i managed to force install the wheezy wpa_gui	07:09
Sazpaimon	it runs	07:09
Sazpaimon	but it's useless without any vkb support	07:09
Sazpaimon	hmm	07:09
Sazpaimon	actually, it seems to use vkb	07:09
Sazpaimon	thats neat	07:09
Sazpaimon	it isnt listing any network adapters	07:09
Sazpaimon	z720, you can try dpkg -i --force-all for wpa_gui	07:11
Sazpaimon	that will force install it	07:11
Sazpaimon	hamattan does in fact have the right qt libraries, its just a numbering mismatch between debian and harmattan	07:11
Sazpaimon	it also adds the icon to your homescreen, which actually looks surprisingly mobile friendly	07:12
Sazpaimon	the program, of course, is not	07:12
Sazpaimon	it, like all standard qt apps, will use the default qt theme	07:12
svuorela	note that debian armel is not compiled with the same set of optimizations and such as harmattan, so you might just as well get things to break ...	07:14
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z720	i cant find any wpagui icons after force install	07:14
Sazpaimon	svuorela, yes I mentioned the hardfp/softp difference	07:15
Sazpaimon	z720, it showed up for me..	07:15
z720	im using version 0.6.4-3, manually run from shell it show q_atomic_lock error. looks like qt version not match	07:16
Sazpaimon	z720, force install 0.7	07:17
Sazpaimon	thats what I used	07:17
Sazpaimon	or do a standard recompile	07:17
Sazpaimon	in the devkit	07:17
Sazpaimon	http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wpasupplicant/wpagui_0.7.3-5_armel.deb	07:17
Sazpaimon	that should be the one you want	07:18
Sazpaimon	the debian sid armhf is also compatible	07:19
Sazpaimon	which might yield better results as it was compiled for hardfp and not softfp	07:19
Sazpaimon	also for 0.7.3 wpagui you need 0.7.3 wpasupplicnat	07:20
Sazpaimon	*supplicant	07:20
Sazpaimon	good luck with that	07:20
Sazpaimon	I would rather just wait for someone to make a port	07:20
z720	thanks let me play with it	07:20
z720	while waiting for nothing why dont just try an error.	07:21
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MohammadAG	~seen stroughtonsmith	09:07
infobot	stroughtonsmith <~steven@tethras5.ucd.ie> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 6d 19h 40m 28s ago, saying: 'even tho you can now sync with a mac and wp7 easily'.	09:07
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rantom	Hmm	09:29
rantom	Does Harmattan send usage data to Nokia?	09:30
rantom	I can't seem to find any settings to turn it off, if there's any data sent	09:30
kirma	there's some data that's probably inevitably "sent"	09:32
kirma	like network-based positioning	09:32
kirma	of course, positioning can be turned off	09:33
rantom	Ah, yeah, the network assisted GPS location thingy	09:33
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rantom	I'd rather keep it on then, unusable if I turn it off	09:33
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kirma	also navigation stuff probably uses network services at least if you don't choose to live without	09:35
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kirma	but otherwise I'd be pretty surprised if any user-related information would be sent (I don't know though)	09:35
rantom	Ok, that's good enough for me	09:35
rantom	I thought that "if there's no option to opt-out then there's nothing to opt-out for" (as in: no data sent, good for you Nokia)	09:36
SpeedEvil	Well...	09:37
SpeedEvil	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10506	09:38
povbot	Bug 10506: 'My nokia' unsubscribe attempt costs money. This is in breach of the UK regulations on premium rate texts.	09:38
_MeeGoBot_	Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10506 nor, Undecided, ---, robsta, VERI DUPLICATE, language list is empty when trying to change language setting	09:38
rantom	Oh right, I forgot about that	09:38
rantom	Hope they've learned from that	09:38
kirma	I could imagine it would be pretty risky for Nokia to sell devices that would collect data from users without their permission, considering legal rights of consumers on many countries	09:39
rantom	And the current reputation of companies doing that	09:39
rantom	e.g. Carrier IQ	09:39
rantom	IF that's the case	09:39
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SpeedEvil	Seems to be that it's just actually doing what it was said to do.	09:41
SpeedEvil	not any snooping	09:41
rantom	ok	09:41
kirma	I suppose that'd be "operator branding", maybe supported by Nokia for some handsets, but only if the operator chooses to mess up their customers? (my wild guess)	09:42
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rantom	I've seen a N9 with operator branding but that can be removed. Sort of	09:44
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rantom	Either by flashing the normal FW (there goes your warranty) or removing parts of code, though that might not cover all of the areas (e.g. bloatware is unremovable)	09:45
rantom	AFAIK	09:45
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kirma	ehm... why my N9 is warm without apparent reason? and also my coworkers' N9, which is on different network?	12:10
kirma	power-hogging bug of eight of december? :I	12:10
special	perhaps it thought your hands were cold and is just trying to help	12:10
kirma	maybe :I	12:11
Corsac	kirma: do you have developer mode enabled?	12:13
Corsac	kirma: if you have, run top in the terminal and see what's using the cpu	12:14
Corsac	if you don't, install http://store.ovi.com/content/208669 and go to the cpu tab	12:14
Corsac	and do the same	12:14
Corsac	my guess is messageserver/messageindexer and that you're experiencing #63, but there might be other causes	12:14
kirma	not much on top	12:14
kirma	power usage nonetheless hovered around one watt	12:15
kirma	wonder if there was some local radio interference going on	12:16
kirma	now the battery usage went away	12:16
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ZogG_laptop	morning	12:48
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ZogG_laptop	hey	13:03
ZogG_laptop	any one know any json or xml parser on n9?	13:04
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rzr	ZogG_laptop: you can do that using qt js engine	13:05
rzr	or then use external lib	13:05
ZogG_laptop	i do have extr but i need to port it probably	13:06
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radiofree	ZogG_laptop: theres qjson	13:26
ZogG_laptop	gonna check it	13:26
ZogG_laptop	thanx	13:29
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ZogG_laptop	rzr: have you used it?	14:56
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dymaxion	Hi, anyone know how to re-enable a disabled Facebook account? The built in client is reporting "disabled" but account is most definitely NOT disabled in [Accounts] settings page...	15:05
rzr	ZogG_laptop: yes once it has some limitation but it worked	15:06
dymaxion	touch.facebook.com login works fine... so I can only assume that the built-in FB client is seriously confused, some sort of stale data that needs purging? Do you think this is a bug that I need to report?	15:06
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rzr	dymaxion: this is a feature , nokia cares of your privacy :)	15:07
MohammadAG	I'm getting my N950 today	15:07
MohammadAG	So sociality should be out soon :p	15:07
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: qml?	15:08
ZogG_laptop	rzr: i get error	15:08
MohammadAG	ewww	15:08
MohammadAG	No, mtf	15:08
hiemanshu	ewww	15:08
ZogG_laptop	ewwwww	15:08
ZogG_laptop	nd a	15:08
ZogG_laptop	=)	15:08
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: \o/	15:09
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: seriously using old stuff? really? thats your style?	15:09
* hiemanshu shoots MohammadAG		15:09
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MohammadAG	New isn't always better	15:09
hiemanshu	in this case it is	15:11
MohammadAG	QML? Nope	15:11
rzr	MohammadAG: you're the latest owner of n950club right ?	15:11
hiemanshu	no, he is of the second n950 club :P	15:11
MohammadAG	rzr: I had an N950 in august	15:11
rzr	this is cheating	15:12
rzr	btw http://identi.ca/selftag/n950club	15:12
MohammadAG	Sent it back for replacement around 9 oct	15:12
MohammadAG	Got the replacement yesterday	15:13
rzr	MohammadAG: tell us your fw version	15:13
hiemanshu	45-3 :P	15:13
MohammadAG	Won't have it till 5pm utc	15:14
MohammadAG	Prolly 22-6	15:14
hiemanshu	lol thats sad	15:15
MohammadAG	Not really I can use unseal.ko	15:17
hiemanshu	haha	15:22
hiemanshu	someone here got sources for the PR1.1 kernel	15:22
hiemanshu	cant recall who it was	15:22
augustl	android ics on a N9: doable?	15:25
hiemanshu	yup	15:25
hiemanshu	want to do it? HELL NO!	15:25
augustl	meego on the N9 lacks polish and I have a feeling it'll never get it..	15:25
ZogG_laptop	rzr: can you show you example?	15:26
hiemanshu	augustl: lacks polish? really?	15:26
augustl	hiemanshu: yes	15:26
hiemanshu	compared to android (citated by android devs), meego is polished	15:26
hiemanshu	and slow as hell	15:26
augustl	even ICS?	15:26
hiemanshu	yes	15:26
augustl	hiemanshu: do you have more info on how to do it?	15:27
rzr	ZogG_laptop: not now i dont have my sources but there some sample online	15:27
hiemanshu	augustl: you'll need moslo, and you'll have to compile your own kernel, and you'll need to compile ICS	15:27
ZogG_laptop	rzr: i always get error	15:27
augustl	hiemanshu: looking that up, thanks	15:27
rzr	http://qtwiki.org/Parsing_JSON_with_QT_using_standard_QT_library	15:27
hiemanshu	augustl: other than that, I have no idea how android works	15:27
augustl	hiemanshu: what's molso? Hard to google :P	15:27
augustl	moslo*	15:28
hiemanshu	augustl: its the first hit when you type moslo meego :P	15:28
hiemanshu	augustl: its the bootloader required to boot anything other than harmattan	15:29
augustl	ah	15:29
rzr	android is only frustration	15:29
augustl	the OS itself, or specifically on the N9?	15:29
augustl	have a feeling there'll be all sorts of driver issues	15:29
hiemanshu	the only thing you'll really have to worry about is the phone stack	15:30
MohammadAG	And android butchering the N9	15:31
hiemanshu	that too	15:31
MohammadAG	Also android will be slow	15:31
MohammadAG	Don't think it has gained GPU accel	15:31
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: not too much	15:31
hiemanshu	it has GPU Accel in ICS	15:32
MohammadAG	So the single core 1GHz will ... K	15:32
MohammadAG	Port iOS	15:32
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: not really, seems fast enough on the Nexus S	15:32
MohammadAG	Dual core?	15:33
hiemanshu	single core 1.0ghz, 512M RAM IIRC	15:33
MohammadAG	Check again	15:33
hiemanshu	yup, thats right	15:33
hiemanshu	1.0ghz, 512M RAM	15:34
hiemanshu	http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_google_nexus_s-3620.php	15:34
hiemanshu	Google employees got an OTA today for their Nexus S	15:36
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jonni	hiemanshu: atleast I got the dvd with pr1.1 sources few days ago	16:13
faenil	hi people! :)	16:14
tomma	has there been any notification about why projects.developer.nokia.com is down or how long?	16:15
djszapi	not that I am aware of	16:15
djszapi	hi faenil, how is thingie	16:16
faenil	hacking linux xD	16:17
faenil	installing custom kernel, trying to mod some things to get more battery life...	16:17
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faenil	is everything alright over there? :)	16:17
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ZogG_laptop	rzr: thanks it worked	16:23
ZogG_laptop	another question	16:23
ZogG_laptop	i have separete qml file that i load from my app	16:23
ZogG_laptop	qt creator is not packaging it	16:23
ZogG_laptop	how do i do it by myself?	16:23
ZogG_laptop	i mean when i do build for harmattan and run it - it says no blahblah.qml	16:24
djszapi	what does it exactly say ?	16:25
djszapi	do you use resource file ?	16:25
ZogG_laptop	i created app.pro myself	16:26
ZogG_laptop	and it lack of a lot of things =)	16:26
ZogG_laptop	but i think i found solution	16:26
ZogG_laptop	just opened default qtcreator project and lurking their for answers	16:26
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hiemanshu	ZogG_laptop: you need to add the qml file to the .pro file so dh-build will see it (part of the Makefile) and install it	16:38
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ZogG_laptop	hiemanshu: can you tell me where?	16:53
ZogG_laptop	QML=+?	16:53
tomma	INSTALLS	16:53
tomma	but it would be easier to just use resources	16:54
ZogG_laptop	ok, trying OTHER_FILES than gonna do INSTALLS	16:54
ZogG_laptop	tomma: no go	16:57
ZogG_laptop	not there and not there	16:57
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ZogG_laptop	haha crashed qtcreator	17:00
ZogG_laptop	no pe	17:02
hiemanshu	ZogG_laptop: not sure about the exact one, just check one from a generic qt quick template for harm	17:03
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alterego	Hoopla!	17:09
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gabriel9	well zou know that zou have problem when you need id of db record before you insert it >D	17:13
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ZogG_laptop	hiemanshu: did as they did	17:16
ZogG_laptop	no help	17:16
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hiemanshu	ZogG_laptop: did you clean and re-run qmake?	17:18
ZogG_laptop	re-run qmake	17:19
ZogG_laptop	would try clean	17:19
hiemanshu	ZogG_laptop: make a new .qrc file, add the qml to the qrc, and set the ui as qrc:/path/to/file.qml	17:19
ZogG_laptop	qrc file?	17:20
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l32606	test	17:25
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l32606	?	17:33
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Venemo_N950	hey	17:41
javispedro	heya Venemo_N950	17:42
Venemo_N950	hey javispedro, what's up?	17:42
faenil	lo javis and venemo :)	17:42
javispedro	lo	17:42
Venemo_N950	hi faenil	17:42
faenil	javispedro: is javispedro.com yours?	17:43
javispedro	Venemo_N950: enjoying the dead line of pixels in my screen which is now 1/2 screen width wide :)	17:43
javispedro	faenil: yep	17:43
faenil	:O	17:43
faenil	nice :) still got the 5820tg? :D	17:43
Venemo_N950	javispedro, send em an email explaining the issue	17:43
javispedro	faenil: yep	17:43
faenil	javispedro: I've got that laptop since easter :D	17:44
Venemo_N950	javispedro, they sent me a new one when I had it	17:44
faenil	I was looking for tips and tricks to make the battery last longer on linux, and I've landed on ur website.. :)	17:44
javispedro	faenil: haha, it's been while since I updated it though :)	17:44
faenil	:D	17:45
faenil	yeah I didn't use any of those :D	17:45
faenil	anyway, could we have a chat in pm about that :D	17:45
faenil	if u're not busy :)	17:46
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javispedro	Venemo_N950: thinking whether do it before or after christmas..	17:47
javispedro	now at least I think the number of dead pixels is large enough (around 240) it is reasonable I want a replacement	17:47
javispedro	it's funny how it's been increasing since the day the first 10 appeared.	17:47
javispedro	I could sometimes see pixels die.	17:47
javispedro	right in front of me, with the screen stuff. scary.	17:48
javispedro	*with the screen on.	17:48
faenil	lol	17:49
faenil	just updated with xorg-edgers packages...rebooting now, fingers crossed for me guys :D	17:49
Venemo_N950	javispedro, yeah, screen is definitely the weakpoint of da N950	17:49
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javispedro	Do not understand why this'd happen.	17:50
hiemanshu	ZogG_laptop: Qt Resources file :P	17:50
ZogG_laptop	hiemanshu: meh i uploaded manually =)	17:51
ZogG_laptop	it woorks	17:51
leinir	Hmm... just went to report this enhancement request, and someone else'd done it already! ;) https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=157	17:51
ZogG_laptop	but as code and everything ugly, i just tried to actually run it	17:51
ZogG_laptop	now gonna start from scratch	17:51
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djszapi	http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2011/12/06/3384952.htm	17:51
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javispedro	don't tell him some stuff is closed too in harm =)	17:52
djszapi	Venemo_N950: there are some regressions in irc-chatter	17:56
djszapi	it inserts texts randomly into the edit line if I change tabs for instance.	17:56
ZogG_laptop	if anyone expirienced that https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347 ?	17:56
mgedmin	ZogG_laptop, no, but I've a question	17:57
mgedmin	do you have a SIM card inserted?	17:57
djszapi	ZogG_laptop: hard to say without so less information	17:57
djszapi	with*	17:57
mgedmin	AFAIU somehow all the account passwords are tied to a SIM card, so if you swap one for another one, you'll need to re-add the passwords, or something like that	17:57
djszapi	I do not even see a decent syslog entry there.	17:57
mgedmin	and I wonder how that works when you don't have a SIM card	17:57
djszapi	interesting I cannot change the status to NEEDINFO	17:59
Venemo_N950	djszapi, weird	17:59
djszapi	weird what ?	17:59
Venemo_N950	djszapi, the bug you just mentioned	17:59
djszapi	irc-chatter regression or the fact I cannot change the status to NEEDINFO in a simple bugzilla ?	17:59
Venemo_N950	djszapi, the regression	18:00
Venemo_N950	djszapi, are there other regressions?	18:00
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djszapi	yes.	18:02
Corsac	ZogG_laptop: this is #123 (marked as duplicate)	18:02
djszapi	I have never seen a bugzilla without NEEDINFO entry.	18:03
Venemo_N950	djszapi, please elaborate here or add them to our wikipage :)	18:03
djszapi	well, the most annyoing is that I cannot type anything since it starts inserting "random" texts.	18:03
Venemo_N950	hmm	18:04
ZogG_laptop	mgedmin: i do have sim inside	18:04
djszapi	why I am quoting is that because it inserts recognizable patterns, so probably something is added from the code accidentally.	18:04
Corsac	djszapi: nobody asked for a syslog entry though :)	18:04
Venemo_N950	it never did that for me. can you give exact steps to reproduce djszapi?	18:04
djszapi	Venemo_N950: 1) Grab my phone 2) Type something :))))	18:04
Venemo_N950	djszapi, hmm	18:05
djszapi	we meet next weekend, so I can demonstrate	18:05
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Venemo_N950	djszapi, ok :)	18:05
Venemo_N950	djszapi, btw, I thought you uninstalled it	18:05
djszapi	but I did not do anything special, just installed the last version. identifier and nick: djszapiN9	18:05
djszapi	and real name is my name.	18:05
ZogG_laptop	Corsac: i found twitter releated bugs but search for account gave me nothing as well as passwords	18:06
djszapi	we should file a bug about the non-existence of the NEEDINFO option in the combobox :P	18:06
Venemo_N950	djszapi, I see.	18:06
Corsac	djszapi: then the assignee can close it NEEDINFO :)	18:06
Venemo_N950	djszapi, very weird. and when exactly does it paste those random texts?	18:07
djszapi	Venemo_N950: let me try.	18:08
djszapi	Corsac: I am serious. It should be there :)	18:08
djszapi	so it should be really requested.	18:08
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djszapiN9	Venemo_N950, vkbd shows up if click on a private query tab	18:13
djszapiN9	this is suboptimal if i would just like to read what he wrote	18:13
djszapiN9	vkb should not be explicit, just if i wanna write	18:14
djszapiN9	imho	18:14
Venemo_N950	mmhm	18:15
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ZogG_laptop	djszapi:	18:17
ZogG_laptop	Dec 7 18:55:35 (2011) twitter-qml[2277]: WARNING-X Error: BadDamage (invalid Damage parameter) 153 Extension: 146 (Uknown extension) Minor opcode: 2 (Unknown request) Resource id: 0x43	18:17
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ZogG_laptop	Dec 7 18:55:38 (2011) twitter-qml[2277]: WARNING-X Error: BadDamage (invalid Damage parameter) 153 Extension: 146 (Uknown extension) Minor opcode: 2 (Unknown request) Resource id: 0x29	18:17
ZogG_laptop	is that related?	18:17
ZogG_laptop	djszapi: as well not all users need to use developer mode as end user i don't want to have those bugs but can't provide info, than what?	18:18
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Venemo_N950_	fuckin N9950 dropped my connection	18:30
l32606	:D	18:30
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javispedro	you got a N9950!	18:32
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Venemo_N950_	eeeeeehh	18:32
ZogG_laptop	cool	18:32
ZogG_laptop	it's like son of n9 and n950	18:32
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ZogG_laptop	Venemo_N950_: but autorecconect is integrated now right?	18:32
Venemo_N950_	ZogG_laptop, yes, but doesn't always work.	18:33
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ZogG_laptop	=\	18:33
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ZogG_laptop	haven't tried new version yet	18:34
ZogG_laptop	wait	18:34
Venemo_N950	ZogG_laptop, I sent ya a link on twitter	18:34
ZogG_laptop	i installed it	18:34
ZogG_laptop	didn't use i mean	18:34
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Venemo_N950	btw, still half an hour until the train departs...	18:36
* Venemo_N950 is bored		18:36
ZogG_laptop	Venemo_N950: if on first screen i enter all data and push right button on menu with (about and quit) i'm stiill able to push connect (left one) and it would connect with right one still open	18:36
ZogG_laptop	connecting takes for ever =)	18:36
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Venemo_N950	ZogG_laptop, menu bar doesn't disable the toolbar	18:37
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ZogG_laptop	yes but it should close if i push connect	18:39
Venemo_N950	ok, add that to the buglist on our wiki	18:39
ZogG_laptop	ok remind me to do that =)	18:40
Venemo_N950	do dat now!	18:40
Venemo_N950	you've been reminded	18:40
ZogG_laptop	Venemo_N950: is the wiki on meego.com?	18:41
ZogG_laptop	Venemo_N950: and do you have log as i'm unable to connect	18:41
ZogG_laptop	it writes connecting and that's it	18:41
Venemo_N950	ZogG_laptop, you need to enter a real name and an ident too.	18:42
Venemo_N950	ZogG_laptop, if you don't, you'll get this bug.	18:42
ZogG_laptop	=(	18:42
Venemo_N950	you can just type a single character or sth.	18:43
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ZogG_laptop	where is wiki?	18:45
ZogG_laptop	btw check my realname =)	18:45
Venemo_N950	ZogG_laptop, see http://bit.ly/ircchatter	18:46
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ZogG_laptop	hmm how is it relted to communi and if communi source is aviable why it cost money on ovi? =)	18:55
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Venemo_N950	ZogG_laptop, we use the same lib as communi	18:58
ZogG_laptop	that was the project you wonted to merge with?	18:59
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dm8tbr	javispedro: I have now also borrowed a analogue MW so I can figure things out better by watching them work. Is it better to compile from git head or should your 0.2.1 package work well enough?	19:05
javispedro	things don't work much in the analog, as there's no display at all...	19:06
javispedro	where you borrowed one from btw?	19:06
dm8tbr	there are those 2 oled matrices	19:06
dm8tbr	from Devaamo LDP	19:06
javispedro	yeah yeah, I mean I'm not driving them	19:06
javispedro	the protocol for the OLED displays is not the same as for the LCD in the digital one	19:07
dm8tbr	yeah	19:07
javispedro	ah, devaamo.	19:07
dm8tbr	still it was nice to see it pair, send stuff, print debug output	19:07
javispedro	I'm pondering whether to ask the mw guys	19:07
javispedro	otherwise I don't think I'm getting much job done there	19:07
dm8tbr	nod I can help testing a bit, but I'm not much of a programmer :(	19:08
javispedro	if I'll get something done I'll ask :)	19:08
javispedro	*if I	19:08
javispedro	trying to find how to workaround the buttons thing...	19:09
Venemo_N950	ZogG_laptop, merge did not happen.	19:09
dm8tbr	they saw your work at that meetup, and I think they were quite impressed	19:09
dm8tbr	yeah, it only has 3 buttons and they all seem mapped	19:10
javispedro	hm?	19:10
ZogG_laptop	Venemo_N950: coz of them wanting money for the app?	19:10
javispedro	dm8tbr: analog should have 7!	19:10
javispedro	(the problem with the buttons is some issue when mixing the builtin UI with sowatch's that is driving tekojo crazy :) )	19:10
dm8tbr	there are 3 physical buttons (the mapping might be a bit different)	19:10
Venemo_N950	ZogG_laptop, it's not related at all	19:11
dm8tbr	as the crown can be pulled out	19:11
dm8tbr	so it might be that they map to different things based on the position of the crown	19:11
ZogG_laptop	hmm is it me or counters of mobile network are not working?	19:12
Venemo_N950	work for me	19:12
* mgedmin CURSES the EVIL people who ENABLED SWIPE TO CLOSE and REMOVED THE OPTION		19:12
mgedmin	also, the N9 switches orientation too happily when the phone is nearly horizontal	19:13
javispedro	dm8tbr: woah, seems that I even know less about the analog than I thought	19:13
javispedro	dm8tbr: the firmware says it has 7 buttons (6 as the digital + crown)	19:13
javispedro	more reason to borrow one :)	19:13
Venemo_N950	mgedmin, it's worse.	19:14
dm8tbr	javispedro: well there is not even a user guide for the analogue MW...	19:14
Stskeeps	mgedmin: +1	19:16
dm8tbr	javispedro: I suspect, that the watch module inside actually has 6+1 button pins	19:16
javispedro	or a previous model	19:17
javispedro	the internals support up to 8 buttons	19:17
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mgedmin	combine that with a BROWSER THAT HAS NO HISTORY, and I don't know how to go back and read the SECOND HALF of the page I was reading	19:17
javispedro	mgedmin: the problem is their weird and completely unnatural definition of "which side is up" that is completely unrelated to the application orientation :(	19:18
javispedro	so annoying I've been sometimes tempted to fire up a disassembler..	19:18
mgedmin	oh, that too	19:18
javispedro	murphy's law says that when device is "flat" I will _always_ choose the wrong orientation	19:19
mgedmin	experiments can be devised to discover it means "towards the center of the Earth, according to the accelerometer"	19:19
mgedmin	ooh, I haven't even thought about the horizontal use case	19:19
* dm8tbr usually swipes away from bottom or right nowadays		19:20
dm8tbr	least chance to 'accidentially' swipe-close	19:20
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javispedro	dm8tbr: put the phone in inverse portrait. swipe from right.	19:21
javispedro	yes, it is probably not common to use in inverse protrait (unless in bed :) , but it hurts as hell when the app closes.	19:21
dm8tbr	me is holding the device power button down (upside down) swipes from right and app stays open in background	19:22
javispedro	sorry, meant inverse landscape =)	19:22
javispedro	my confusion	19:22
dm8tbr	but then again my install seems completely messed up anyway	19:22
javispedro	:)	19:22
javispedro	(I mean, power button to the right)	19:23
dm8tbr	app stays open in all orientations when swiped from the right, but then I suspect it is some franken-zombie-thing as my pr1.0-pr1.1 update didn't go exactly smooth	19:24
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javispedro	hmpf, you lucky.	19:26
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Corsac	wow, I never noticed the vnc server in the “sync & connect” sdk connection	19:28
Corsac	that's nice (though I don't know how to swipe there)	19:28
javispedro	huh?	19:31
javispedro	where?	19:31
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djszapi	there is even vnc gui in the hiro package iirc	19:31
javispedro	there's one netview package now in the store	19:32
javispedro	which includes x11vnc iirc	19:32
javispedro	but I didn't know the base firmware also had it	19:32
ZogG_laptop	i new	19:32
faenil	javispedro: added the command to init.d, result = kernel crash at boot :)	19:36
javispedro	when starting X?	19:37
faenil	don't know exactly...I see the log at startup with the trace	19:37
faenil	and it doesn't go on	19:37
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javispedro	I guess it's now time to figure out how to prevent Ubuntu from loading gdm :)	19:37
faenil	:D	19:38
Corsac	javispedro: not the base firmware I think, it comes with developer mode	19:40
djszapi	javispedro: yes, netview is from hiro	19:41
faenil	javispedro: or just use pm-powerseave :D	19:42
javispedro	faenil: but there are many variables when using it	19:43
javispedro	faenil: it won't solve a crash :)	19:43
faenil	well maybe it's called too early/late when doing it from init.d...	19:43
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javispedro	btw	19:51
javispedro	bug 1	19:51
_MeeGoBot_	Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1 maj, Medium, ---, vivian.zhang, VERI FIXED, [Tracker] tracker-miner-fs should be auto-started after system boot	19:51
javispedro	maybe we could make the bot point to harmattan-bugs?	19:51
javispedro	or configure povbot for that, if its any easier.	19:51
djszapi	yep	19:52
javispedro	who manages _MeeGoBot_ btw?	19:55
javispedro	ah, it's right there on /whois :)	19:56
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ZogG_laptop	i'm tierd of gnome updating everyday =)	20:00
ZogG_laptop	i understand it's cold now but tierd of compiling it everytime	20:00
javispedro	it's been nearly two months since I last updated this box	20:03
javispedro	by the time I decide to update I'll guess I'll have to reinstall...	20:03
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dm8tbr	javispedro: yes, was also thinking of that, as it is no longer used for anything else	20:05
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ZogG_laptop	javispedro: ubuntu?	20:28
javispedro	gentoo	20:28
ZogG_laptop	oh right	20:28
ZogG_laptop	i already prepeared to laught at you =)	20:29
ZogG_laptop	javispedro: go for funtoo	20:29
ZogG_laptop	javispedro: btw my first install of gentoo - reinstalled ince when updated computer to sata, after that even when updated to 64bit i didn't reintall (btw it was bad idea but solved that at the end)	20:30
* javispedro does not find difference between reinstalling and having to rebuild all packages		20:30
javispedro	besides the fact that with reinstalling I usually remkfs the partition so it boots faster for a while.	20:31
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ZogG_laptop	javispedro: i have funtoo on i5 with ssd and i think it's enuf. if you consider i use awesome wm =)	20:35
ZogG_laptop	4gigs of ram as well enuf for part of the system being on tmpfs	20:35
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ZogG_laptop	javispedro: btw i think i tricked nokia	20:42
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ZogG_laptop	javispedro: i just copied madde dir from qtsdk, and ould add manually all things i need for harmattan target or even use scratchbox (installed it too)	20:43
SpeedEvil	1W	20:43
ZogG_laptop	1W?	20:43
javispedro	?	20:43
ZogG_laptop	javispedro: with qtcreator from portage you can't use harmattan as target	20:43
javispedro	ah	20:43
javispedro	hm, this is interesting	20:44
javispedro	I've integrated my single menubar stuff only to the portage qt build	20:44
javispedro	ZogG_laptop: but I guess I need to update both qt and qt-creator outside of the ~ stable versions?	20:44
ZogG_laptop	javispedro: talked to qt maintainers - told they can't put sdk in portage and said to use one from nokia site	20:44
SpeedEvil	typo	20:44
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ZogG_laptop	javispedro: what do you mean? and btw you run it on n900 so you can't judge me =)	20:46
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javispedro	ZogG_laptop: that I don't want to update	20:57
javispedro	not yet at least =)	20:57
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tomma	javispedro, install madde targets from sdk and use creator from portage	21:00
tomma	and if you want remote compiler, create ebuild which fetch sources from gitorious	21:01
tomma	oh and yes creator requires 4.7.4 qt which is ~arch keyworded	21:04
javispedro	hm	21:05
javispedro	also, how can I add a Madde toolchain to "Tool chains" in options?	21:05
djszapi	has anybody tried madde for android development ?	21:06
djszapi	(scratchbox works)	21:07
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ZogG_laptop	javispedro: it doesn't work for some reason i'll need that stupid thing as far as i would learn how to use scratchbox and cmake and would use it instead of that(so some examples of people using it)	21:12
djszapi	I have been using cmake and scratchbox for quite a while. What would you like to know ?	21:13
ZogG_laptop	djszapi: do you build in scratchbox and than upload to n9 or how does it work?	21:13
djszapi	yes, of course	21:14
tomma	javispedro, creator handles that after you give it qmake	21:14
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ZogG_laptop	tomma: tried that it didn't take it, something is missing there	21:15
tomma	works for me	21:15
tomma	hmm... you have to click apply or ok for it to set up toolchain	21:15
ZogG_laptop	yeah i did but i can't build and if i use run qmake from menu it says exited with error	21:16
djszapi	when the qt-project finally drops this qmake, I will celebrate a big really :)	21:16
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ZogG_laptop	djszapi: yeah but for cmake you need to write your own cmake configs with targets or scratchbox has it?	21:28
djszapi	huh ?	21:28
ZogG_laptop	as far as i read some article that's what i understood	21:31
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djszapi	not sure what you mean... maybe the one-liner target_link_libraries ?	21:32
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Corsac	DocScrutinizer: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/20111208_006.jpg	22:02
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DocScrutinizer	Corsac: BWAHAAAHAAA	22:03
SpeedEvil	:)	22:03
SpeedEvil	The delay was clearly the graphic artist.	22:03
DocScrutinizer	indeed	22:04
Corsac	-r--r--r-- 1 4294967295 4294967295 2,4G déc. 5 09:43 SDK_Sources_PR1.1.ISO	22:04
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Corsac	-rw-r--r-- 1 1007 1010 746 nov. 29 14:33 kernel_2.6.32-20113701.10+0m6.dsc	22:04
Corsac	-rw-r--r-- 1 1007 1010 82M nov. 29 14:34 kernel_2.6.32-20113701.10+0m6.tar.gz	22:04
Stskeeps	oh you finally got it?	22:04
Corsac	ok, let me put the iso and the unpack stuff there	22:05
Corsac	could some people mirror it once it's done?	22:05
DocScrutinizer	jonni: any comments?	22:05
DocScrutinizer	now javispedro is offline again when there'S a proper indication about the actual version of that source	22:06
DocScrutinizer	[2011-12-08 20:22:40] <javispedro> according to the f.m.c thread, the dvd contains outdated sources too.	22:06
DocScrutinizer	[2011-12-08 20:22:52] <javispedro> the problem of using the older sources is that camera interface changed, you can read this on the changelog	22:06
DocScrutinizer	[2011-12-08 20:23:01] <javispedro> so closed-source userspace camera apps stop working	22:07
jonni	fmc thread someone got old dvd, but my dvd does contain pr1.1 sources	22:08
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DocScrutinizer	URL?	22:09
jonni	http://new.linuxi.org/SDK_Sources_PR1.1.ISO	22:09
* DocScrutinizer hands jonni the hero-of-the-day medal of honor		22:10
Stskeeps	could someone just put the kernel up?	22:12
DocScrutinizer	I could host it, but not build it	22:14
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DocScrutinizer	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/SDK_Sources_PR1.1.ISO	22:24
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DocScrutinizer	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/zImage-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701	22:27
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DocScrutinizer	last one without any warranty by me or anybody else, neither any certified matching source available for it	22:28
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rlinfati	DocScrutinizer, please, can you extrack the kernel sources of the iso? or mount the iso ?	22:38
tarantism	Does anyone know the right way to control automatic app muting? eg the music player keeps playing when you change to a different app but other apps are muted.	22:38
rlinfati	i only want the source, and download 2.3gb is alot.	22:38
Corsac	Stskeeps: transfer is ongoing	22:39
DocScrutinizer	URL changed: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/	22:40
Corsac	damn, no space left on device :)	22:41
DocScrutinizer	rlinfati: sorry, it's not exactly easy to loopmount that ISO on that box, then bindmount it to the apache dir	22:41
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: ^^^	22:42
DocScrutinizer	>>its basicly combination of enable-root-superuser.diff + kmod check disable<<	22:43
DocScrutinizer	no .diff for kmod yet	22:43
Corsac	Stskeeps: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/sources/kernel_2.6.32-20113701.10+0m6.dsc	22:44
DocScrutinizer	so you all have fun now, fellas. Don't blame ME when you brick your device ;-D	22:45
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Stskeeps	Corsac: ta	22:47
Corsac	and transfer is done	22:49
Corsac	and one should be able to deb-src http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/sources ./	22:53
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ZogG_laptop	hah	23:01
ZogG_laptop	haha it was quick	23:01
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Richlv	trying to flash n9 sends rootfs successfully till 4-12 % (each time different), then fails with messages like : "bb5_rdc_cert_read failed" / "Client SUD failed to handle message 0x88:0x08" - any ideas ?	23:03
Richlv	flashing from opensuse 11.4; http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page talks about using "beta1" if such errors pop up, but that's about n950	23:04
djszapi	tarantism: I think the policy framework is doing the muting. I think applications have to tell the policy framework if they want to play audio in the background. I don't know the details.	23:05
ZogG_laptop	i knew it	23:07
ZogG_laptop	fmradio and bluettoth are no go at the same time =) so no radio on bluetooth headset	23:07
djszapi	Corsac: I must admit, I am kinda disappointed about the bug 123. I wanted to help, and asked for information, but I have been said "we do not need that".	23:12
_MeeGoBot_	Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=123 nor, Medium, ---, ross, VERI FIXED, Bisho: Allow user to remove account	23:12
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tarantism	djszapi: Thanks. You can unmute the app ok (pactl set-sink-input-mute SINK_INPUT_NUM 0). So I could just continually check whether it's muted and unmute but this doesn't feel like the right approach ;)	23:16
ZogG_laptop	djszapi: i said i can provide info	23:17
ZogG_laptop	djszapi: want my syslog? twitter asks for password every 20-40 minutes =\	23:17
djszapi	this is exactly the reason why we do not deal with such noise on the public bug tracker in general	23:17
djszapi	and why we concentrate on well-thought internal bug reports. It is just a time waste, and noise.	23:18
ZogG_laptop	who is meegobot owner?	23:19
djszapi	dm8tbr:	23:19
ZogG_laptop	dm8tbr: you should send to harmattan bugtracker at least on this chan	23:19
ZogG_laptop	~bug 123	23:20
* infobot places a mind-control bug in 123's ear, Star Trek II style		23:20
ZogG_laptop	hmm	23:20
dm8tbr	ZogG_laptop: yes, it's on my todo list as I said already today	23:20
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jonni	ZogG_laptop: password re-ask is known bug which is already fixed in future pr releases.	23:32
Richlv	arr. why would flashing fail for rootfs at different % each time... as if something would interrupt it	23:33
jonni	Richlv: whats the flash command that your trying to use?	23:33
Richlv	../flasher/flasher -F DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin -f -R	23:34
Richlv	exactly that :)	23:34
jonni	Richlv: most likely crc checksum error, ie when you've downloaded the image some bit has gone wrong and it fails the signature checking.	23:35
Richlv	jonni, thanks for the idea, will try to re-download it	23:35
jonni	Richlv: redownload the .bin and try again	23:35
jonni	and if that doesnt help, then there might be hardware problems or low battery	23:36
Richlv	flasher reports that battery is 51%	23:36
jonni	usually its a good idea to have 100% charge then starting to flash	23:36
jonni	as sometimes lower battery just fails during flashing	23:37
jonni	but most usually its just corrupted download	23:38
djszapi	jonni: well, there is a password re-asking bug which has never been fixed, and broken by design	23:38
djszapi	and that is exactly the reason why I asked for syslog which would show it, but the people asking for help refused it :/	23:38
Richlv	hmm. aren't there some md5sums available for images ? that would allow me to verify it much faster	23:38
jonni	djszapi: ah if there is some twitter spefic then I havent been following, but atleast the re-asking on facebook,mailforexchange,google,ovistore etc has been fixed.	23:40
djszapi	well, I kinda lost my sake to listen to public bugzilla if they refuse to provide the information needed for helping them :)	23:41
jonni	its not really bugzilla, rather feature-request-zilla	23:41
djszapi	you can play with the terms. The point remains.	23:42
jonni	only seen couple valid bugs in there	23:42
jonni	and even then its just pain since its really hard to crosscheck if its been fixed already or not.	23:43
djszapi	mainly if the reports are that poor like above...	23:44
* Richlv could report better ones, maybe =)		23:45
Richlv	like "connect to network" coming up all the time when trying to use maps :)	23:45
Richlv	cancel-popup-cancel-popup cycle quickly teaches you to slide it in the background instead	23:46
Richlv	probably unrelated - wondering why http://nds2.fds.nokia.com has link to http://www.miibeian.gov.cn/	23:48
DocScrutinizer	also the image might not match the device, Richlv jonni	23:49
Richlv	DocScrutinizer, shouldn't it fail immediately then ? i looked at the image contents with "-i" and it did seem to match both model & hardware revision	23:50
DocScrutinizer	Richlv: I don't know for sure, seems there are strange things going on during flashing	23:51
DocScrutinizer	and Nokia didn't document any bit of all that	23:51
jonni	full battery and unmodified image, that is the recipe for success	23:52
DocScrutinizer	usually	23:53
jonni	and people can check behind sim-card holder if they are trying to flash right one.	23:53
Richlv	the fact that the app to match images to the model is win-only says something as well	23:53
DocScrutinizer	a not comprehensive but mandatory set of prerequisites	23:54
jonni	doesnt need to match always, but generally yes.	23:55
Richlv	at least filesize for .bin matches exactly, so the only corruption could be contents :/	23:55
jonni	if you googlesearch that filename and md5 you get the result	23:57
DocScrutinizer	Richlv: usually random errors are caused by poor hardware (cables - also inside PC from mobo to receptacke, etc)	23:58
DocScrutinizer	receptacle*	23:58
Richlv	jonni, hah, good idea (points back to channel logs for this channel or maemo forum, but still :) ) - "unfortunately", md5 matches	23:59
Richlv	so i guess re-downloading won't help	23:59

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