IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2011-12-08

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corecodemy n9 thinks it is in landscape mode00:05
corecodebut it isn't00:05
corecodeand i can't turn the orientation00:05
corecodetouchscreen is in landscape, display in portrait00:06
corecodeany ideas how to fix this?00:06
corecodethat's a bit boring00:08
ajalkaneyou can try killing random processes, that's more exciting and might reset the state :)00:09
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ajalkaneBasically if you're adventurous you might try killing meegotouchhome process.00:10
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DocScrutinizerrotate touchscreen 90° relating to display - with a bit of forearm training or a long lever it might work01:05
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z720N9 got new update PR1.1.105:02
z720pls check navifirm05:02
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z720only NDT version found in this round update 22.2011.44.206:11
Sazpaimonz720, PR1.1.1 is MEA only06:14
Sazpaimonits for arabic keyboard support06:14
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z720besides arabic keyboard i think should have some change as well.06:16
z720just keyboard?06:17
Sazpaimonthere are some other app updates being pushed seperately though06:18
Sazpaimonbut not part of PR1.1.1 as far as I can tell06:18
Sazpaimonmost notably that version of twitter supports picture uploads06:18
Sazpaimoni do not think they are included with the PR1.1.1 firmware though, but I may be wrong06:19
z720then better wait for PR1.206:21
SazpaimonI forget, are odd releases bugfix updates or even06:22
z720hopefully next update with VPN, office suite & wpa_supplicant support. then only this is real smartphone06:25
Sazpaimonoffie suite fully depends on quickoffice being ported I believe06:26
Sazpaimonwhich didn't happen on maemo 506:26
z720doesn't care what office they going to use, at least have something to open docs or xlx documents. else it look every handicap06:28
Sazpaimonlike I said06:28
Sazpaimonnokia has pretty much dealt with quickoffice on all their phones06:28
Sazpaimonlook at any symbian handset06:28
Sazpaimonit uses quickoffice as their office suite06:28
Sazpaimoni doubt nokia will do that in-house06:28
Sazpaimonit pretty much completely depends on quickoffice porting it06:29
Sazpaimonso don't hold your breath06:29
Sazpaimonwpa_supplicant is a must have, though06:30
svuorelathe document viewer should be able to handle excel and word documents ... (and actually, the engine can also do editing)06:31
Sazpaimonsvuorela, can it handle the newer XML  format?06:32
Sazpaimonive not checked06:32
svuorelaSazpaimon: at least the desktop edition is the thing in my linux desktop that shows docx documents best ...06:33
Sazpaimoni really don't care myself, N9 as an office tool is kind of not really good06:34
Sazpaimoneven with the best office tools06:34
Sazpaimonbut what we have now is likely what we'll continue to see06:35
Sazpaimonas far as VPN, symbian's VPN is horrendeous now, I'm not sure if they'll port it to harmattan06:35
z720N9 more on multimedia from what i see now.06:35
Sazpaimonthere's an openvpn client for harmattan I believe06:36
Sazpaimonive not installed nor tested it06:37
Sazpaimonas far as stuff like cisco vpn, good lucj06:37
Sazpaimonthere's an anyconnect client for maemo 5, so the possibility of a harmattan port isn't far off06:38
z720vpnc tested, but no gui and need root06:38
Sazpaimonas far as something from nokia though, don't expect it any time soon06:38
heeeegua_anyone know the mobility have a bug in QCamera in meego's platform06:39
Sazpaimonz720, you can theoretically run vpnc as a normal user06:40
Sazpaimonif you create the tunnel in advance as root06:40
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Sazpaimonso some init script i guess06:41
z720then hv to deep drive06:41
z720actually wpa_supplicant from debian armel work too, but need to use scripting as well, dont know about QT devel, else at least can work on QT gui06:44
Sazpaimoni wouldnt trust debian armel packages on maemo06:44
Sazpaimonharmattan that is06:45
Sazpaimondebian armel is compiled for softfp06:45
Sazpaimonyou're more likely to get floating point exceptions on hardfp harmattan06:46
Sazpaimonthere's a debian armhf in sid, but that won't install properly on harmattan due to the architecture in the deb control being different than what harmattan is06:46
Sazpaimoneven though they're theoretically more compatible06:46
Sazpaimonand since it's sid, you're more likely to have dependency issues06:46
z720yupe, i did try a lot of app from debian but 99% dependency issues06:47
Sazpaimonalso, there's a qt wpa_supplicant gui06:47
Sazpaimonlooks pretty nice06:48
Sazpaimoncould probably be adapted to harmattan fairly well06:48
z720it doesn't work06:48
Sazpaimondefine "doesn't work"06:48
Sazpaimonit doesn't run?06:48
z720dependency issues06:49
z720QT lib version not match with harmattan QT06:49
Sazpaimonz720, install the version from lenny?06:56
z720let me try06:58
Sazpaimonit still probably needs to be recompiled for harmattan07:00
z720yupe u r right. syntax error when try to execute07:07
Sazpaimonz720, i managed to force install the wheezy wpa_gui07:09
Sazpaimonit runs07:09
Sazpaimonbut it's useless without any vkb support07:09
Sazpaimonactually, it seems to use vkb07:09
Sazpaimonthats neat07:09
Sazpaimonit isnt listing any network adapters07:09
Sazpaimonz720, you can try dpkg -i --force-all for wpa_gui07:11
Sazpaimonthat will force install it07:11
Sazpaimonhamattan does in fact have the right qt libraries, its just a numbering mismatch between debian and harmattan07:11
Sazpaimonit also adds the icon to your homescreen, which actually looks surprisingly mobile friendly07:12
Sazpaimonthe program, of course, is not07:12
Sazpaimonit, like all standard qt apps, will use the default qt theme07:12
svuorelanote that debian armel is not compiled with the same set of optimizations and such as harmattan, so you might just as well get things to break ...07:14
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z720i cant find any wpagui icons after force install07:14
Sazpaimonsvuorela, yes I mentioned the hardfp/softp difference07:15
Sazpaimonz720, it showed up for me..07:15
z720im using version 0.6.4-3, manually run from shell it show q_atomic_lock error. looks like qt version not match07:16
Sazpaimonz720, force install 0.707:17
Sazpaimonthats what I used07:17
Sazpaimonor do a standard recompile07:17
Sazpaimonin the devkit07:17
Sazpaimonthat should be the one you want07:18
Sazpaimonthe debian sid armhf is also compatible07:19
Sazpaimonwhich might yield better results as it was compiled for hardfp and not softfp07:19
Sazpaimonalso for 0.7.3 wpagui you need 0.7.3 wpasupplicnat07:20
Sazpaimongood luck with that07:20
SazpaimonI would rather just wait for someone to make a port07:20
z720thanks let me play with it07:20
z720while waiting for nothing why dont just try an error.07:21
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MohammadAG~seen stroughtonsmith09:07
infobotstroughtonsmith <> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 6d 19h 40m 28s ago, saying: 'even tho you can now sync with a mac and wp7 easily'.09:07
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rantomDoes Harmattan send usage data to Nokia?09:30
rantomI can't seem to find any settings to turn it off, if there's any data sent09:30
kirmathere's some data that's probably inevitably "sent"09:32
kirmalike network-based positioning09:32
kirmaof course, positioning can be turned off09:33
rantomAh, yeah, the network assisted GPS location thingy09:33
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rantomI'd rather keep it on then, unusable if I turn it off09:33
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kirmaalso navigation stuff probably uses network services at least if you don't choose to live without09:35
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kirmabut otherwise I'd be pretty surprised if any user-related information would be sent (I don't know though)09:35
rantomOk, that's good enough for me09:35
rantomI thought that "if there's no option to opt-out then there's nothing to opt-out for" (as in: no data sent, good for you Nokia)09:36
povbotBug 10506: 'My nokia' unsubscribe attempt costs money. This is in breach of the UK regulations on premium rate texts.09:38
_MeeGoBot_Bug nor, Undecided, ---, robsta, VERI DUPLICATE, language list is empty when trying to change language setting09:38
rantomOh right, I forgot about that09:38
rantomHope they've learned from that09:38
kirmaI could imagine it would be pretty risky for Nokia to sell devices that would collect data from users without their permission, considering legal rights of consumers on many countries09:39
rantomAnd the current reputation of companies doing that09:39
rantome.g. Carrier IQ09:39
rantomIF that's the case09:39
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SpeedEvilSeems to be that it's just actually doing what it was said to do.09:41
SpeedEvilnot any snooping09:41
kirmaI suppose that'd be "operator branding", maybe supported by Nokia for some handsets, but only if the operator chooses to mess up their customers? (my wild guess)09:42
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rantomI've seen a N9 with operator branding but that can be removed. Sort of09:44
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rantomEither by flashing the normal FW (there goes your warranty) or removing parts of code, though that might not cover all of the areas (e.g. bloatware is unremovable)09:45
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kirmaehm... why my N9 is warm without apparent reason? and also my coworkers' N9, which is on different network?12:10
kirmapower-hogging bug of eight of december? :I12:10
specialperhaps it thought your hands were cold and is just trying to help12:10
kirmamaybe :I12:11
Corsackirma: do you have developer mode enabled?12:13
Corsackirma: if you have, run top in the terminal and see what's using the cpu12:14
Corsacif you don't, install and go to the cpu tab12:14
Corsacand do the same12:14
Corsacmy guess is messageserver/messageindexer and that you're experiencing #63, but there might be other causes12:14
kirmanot much on top12:14
kirmapower usage nonetheless hovered around one watt12:15
kirmawonder if there was some local radio interference going on12:16
kirmanow the battery usage went away12:16
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ZogG_laptopany one know any json or xml parser on n9?13:04
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rzrZogG_laptop: you can do that using qt js engine13:05
rzror then use external lib13:05
ZogG_laptopi do have extr but i need to port it probably13:06
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radiofreeZogG_laptop: theres qjson13:26
ZogG_laptopgonna check it13:26
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ZogG_laptoprzr: have you used it?14:56
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dymaxionHi, anyone know how to re-enable a disabled Facebook account?  The built in client is reporting "disabled" but account is most definitely NOT disabled in [Accounts] settings page...15:05
rzrZogG_laptop: yes once it has some limitation but it worked15:06 login works fine... so I can only assume that the built-in FB client is seriously confused, some sort of stale data that needs purging?  Do you think this is a bug that I need to report?15:06
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rzrdymaxion: this is a feature , nokia cares of your privacy :)15:07
MohammadAGI'm getting my N950 today15:07
MohammadAGSo sociality should be out soon :p15:07
hiemanshuMohammadAG: qml?15:08
ZogG_laptoprzr: i get error15:08
MohammadAGNo, mtf15:08
ZogG_laptopnd a15:08
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: \o/15:09
hiemanshuMohammadAG: seriously using old stuff? really? thats your style?15:09
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MohammadAGNew isn't always better15:09
hiemanshuin this case it is15:11
MohammadAGQML? Nope15:11
rzrMohammadAG: you're the latest owner  of n950club right ?15:11
hiemanshuno, he is of the second n950 club :P15:11
MohammadAGrzr: I had an N950 in august15:11
rzrthis is cheating15:12
MohammadAGSent it back for replacement around 9 oct15:12
MohammadAGGot the replacement yesterday15:13
rzrMohammadAG: tell us your fw version15:13
hiemanshu45-3 :P15:13
MohammadAGWon't have it till 5pm utc15:14
MohammadAGProlly 22-615:14
hiemanshulol thats sad15:15
MohammadAGNot really I can use unseal.ko15:17
hiemanshusomeone here got sources for the PR1.1 kernel15:22
hiemanshucant recall who it was15:22
augustlandroid ics on a N9: doable?15:25
hiemanshuwant to do it? HELL NO!15:25
augustlmeego on the N9 lacks polish and I have a feeling it'll never get it..15:25
ZogG_laptoprzr: can you show you example?15:26
hiemanshuaugustl: lacks polish? really?15:26
augustlhiemanshu: yes15:26
hiemanshucompared to android (citated by android devs), meego is polished15:26
hiemanshuand slow as hell15:26
augustleven ICS?15:26
augustlhiemanshu: do you have more info on how to do it?15:27
rzrZogG_laptop: not now i dont have my sources but there some sample online15:27
hiemanshuaugustl: you'll need moslo, and you'll have to compile your own kernel, and you'll need to compile ICS15:27
ZogG_laptoprzr:  i always get error15:27
augustlhiemanshu: looking that up, thanks15:27
hiemanshuaugustl: other than that, I have no idea how android works15:27
augustlhiemanshu: what's molso? Hard to google :P15:27
hiemanshuaugustl: its the first hit when you type moslo meego :P15:28
hiemanshuaugustl: its the bootloader required to boot anything other than harmattan15:29
rzrandroid is only frustration15:29
augustlthe OS itself, or specifically on the N9?15:29
augustlhave a feeling there'll be all sorts of driver issues15:29
hiemanshuthe only thing you'll really have to worry about is the phone stack15:30
MohammadAGAnd android butchering the N915:31
hiemanshuthat too15:31
MohammadAGAlso android will be slow15:31
MohammadAGDon't think it has gained GPU accel15:31
hiemanshuMohammadAG: not too much15:31
hiemanshuit has GPU Accel in ICS15:32
MohammadAGSo the single core 1GHz will ... K15:32
MohammadAGPort iOS15:32
hiemanshuMohammadAG: not really, seems fast enough on the Nexus S15:32
MohammadAGDual core?15:33
hiemanshusingle core 1.0ghz, 512M RAM IIRC15:33
MohammadAGCheck again15:33
hiemanshuyup, thats right15:33
hiemanshu1.0ghz, 512M RAM15:34
hiemanshuGoogle employees got an OTA today for their Nexus S15:36
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jonnihiemanshu: atleast I got the dvd with pr1.1 sources few days ago16:13
faenilhi people! :)16:14
tommahas there been any notification about why is down or how long?16:15
djszapinot that I am aware of16:15
djszapihi faenil, how is thingie16:16
faenilhacking linux xD16:17
faenilinstalling custom kernel, trying to mod some things to get more battery life...16:17
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faenilis everything alright over there? :)16:17
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ZogG_laptoprzr: thanks it worked16:23
ZogG_laptopanother question16:23
ZogG_laptopi have separete qml file that i load from my app16:23
ZogG_laptopqt creator is not packaging it16:23
ZogG_laptophow do i do it by myself?16:23
ZogG_laptopi mean when i do build for harmattan and run it - it says no blahblah.qml16:24
djszapiwhat does it exactly say ?16:25
djszapido you use resource file ?16:25
ZogG_laptopi created myself16:26
ZogG_laptopand it lack of a lot of things =)16:26
ZogG_laptopbut i think i found solution16:26
ZogG_laptopjust opened default qtcreator project and lurking their for answers16:26
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hiemanshuZogG_laptop: you need to add the qml file to the .pro file so dh-build will see it (part of the Makefile) and install it16:38
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ZogG_laptophiemanshu: can you tell me where?16:53
tommabut it would be easier to just use resources16:54
ZogG_laptopok, trying OTHER_FILES than gonna do INSTALLS16:54
ZogG_laptoptomma: no go16:57
ZogG_laptopnot there and not there16:57
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ZogG_laptophaha crashed qtcreator17:00
ZogG_laptopno pe17:02
hiemanshuZogG_laptop: not sure about the exact one, just check one from a generic qt quick template for harm17:03
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gabriel9well zou know that zou have problem when you need id of db record before you insert it >D17:13
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ZogG_laptophiemanshu: did as they did17:16
ZogG_laptopno help17:16
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hiemanshuZogG_laptop: did you clean and re-run qmake?17:18
ZogG_laptopre-run qmake17:19
ZogG_laptopwould try clean17:19
hiemanshuZogG_laptop: make a new .qrc file, add the qml to the qrc, and set the ui as qrc:/path/to/file.qml17:19
ZogG_laptopqrc file?17:20
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javispedroheya Venemo_N95017:42
Venemo_N950hey javispedro, what's up?17:42
faenillo javis and venemo :)17:42
Venemo_N950hi faenil17:42
faeniljavispedro: is yours?17:43
javispedroVenemo_N950: enjoying the dead line of pixels in my screen which is now 1/2 screen width wide :)17:43
javispedrofaenil: yep17:43
faenilnice :) still got the 5820tg? :D17:43
Venemo_N950javispedro, send em an email explaining the issue17:43
javispedrofaenil: yep17:43
faeniljavispedro: I've got that laptop since easter :D17:44
Venemo_N950javispedro, they sent me a new one when I had it17:44
faenilI was looking for tips and tricks to make the battery last longer on linux, and I've landed on ur website.. :)17:44
javispedrofaenil: haha, it's been while since I updated it though :)17:44
faenilyeah I didn't use any of those :D17:45
faenilanyway, could we have a chat in pm about that :D17:45
faenilif u're not busy :)17:46
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javispedroVenemo_N950: thinking whether do it before or after christmas..17:47
javispedronow at least I think the number of dead pixels is large enough (around 240) it is reasonable I want a replacement17:47
javispedroit's funny how it's been increasing since the day the first 10 appeared.17:47
javispedroI could sometimes see pixels die.17:47
javispedroright in front of me, with the screen stuff. scary.17:48
javispedro*with the screen on.17:48
faeniljust updated with xorg-edgers packages...rebooting now, fingers crossed for me guys :D17:49
Venemo_N950javispedro, yeah, screen is definitely the weakpoint of da N95017:49
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javispedroDo not understand why this'd happen.17:50
hiemanshuZogG_laptop: Qt Resources file :P17:50
ZogG_laptophiemanshu: meh i uploaded manually =)17:51
ZogG_laptopit woorks17:51
leinirHmm... just went to report this enhancement request, and someone else'd done it already! ;)
ZogG_laptopbut as code and everything ugly, i just tried to actually run it17:51
ZogG_laptopnow gonna start from scratch17:51
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javispedrodon't tell him some stuff is closed too in harm =)17:52
djszapiVenemo_N950: there are some regressions in irc-chatter17:56
djszapiit inserts texts randomly into the edit line if I change tabs for instance.17:56
ZogG_laptopif anyone expirienced that ?17:56
mgedminZogG_laptop, no, but I've a question17:57
mgedmindo you have a SIM card inserted?17:57
djszapiZogG_laptop: hard to say without so less information17:57
mgedminAFAIU somehow all the account passwords are tied to a SIM card, so if you swap one for another one, you'll need to re-add the passwords, or something like that17:57
djszapiI do not even see a decent syslog entry there.17:57
mgedminand I wonder how that works when you don't have a SIM card17:57
djszapiinteresting I cannot change the status to NEEDINFO17:59
Venemo_N950djszapi, weird17:59
djszapiweird what ?17:59
Venemo_N950djszapi, the bug you just mentioned17:59
djszapiirc-chatter regression or the fact I cannot change the status to NEEDINFO in a simple bugzilla ?17:59
Venemo_N950djszapi, the regression18:00
Venemo_N950djszapi, are there other regressions?18:00
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CorsacZogG_laptop: this is #123 (marked as duplicate)18:02
djszapiI have never seen a bugzilla without NEEDINFO entry.18:03
Venemo_N950djszapi, please elaborate here or add them to our wikipage :)18:03
djszapiwell, the most annyoing is that I cannot type anything since it starts inserting "random" texts.18:03
ZogG_laptopmgedmin: i do have sim inside18:04
djszapiwhy I am quoting is that because it inserts recognizable patterns, so probably something is added from the code accidentally.18:04
Corsacdjszapi: nobody asked for a syslog entry though :)18:04
Venemo_N950it never did that for me. can you give exact steps to reproduce djszapi?18:04
djszapiVenemo_N950: 1) Grab my phone 2) Type something :))))18:04
Venemo_N950djszapi, hmm18:05
djszapiwe meet next weekend, so I can demonstrate18:05
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Venemo_N950djszapi, ok :)18:05
Venemo_N950djszapi, btw, I thought you uninstalled it18:05
djszapibut I did not do anything special, just installed the last version. identifier and nick: djszapiN918:05
djszapiand real name is my name.18:05
ZogG_laptopCorsac: i found twitter releated bugs but search for account gave me nothing as well as passwords18:06
djszapiwe should file a bug about the non-existence of the NEEDINFO option in the combobox :P18:06
Venemo_N950djszapi, I see.18:06
Corsacdjszapi: then the assignee can close it NEEDINFO :)18:06
Venemo_N950djszapi, very weird. and when exactly does it paste those random texts?18:07
djszapiVenemo_N950: let me try.18:08
djszapiCorsac: I am serious. It should be there :)18:08
djszapiso it should be really requested.18:08
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djszapiN9Venemo_N950, vkbd shows up if click on a private query tab18:13
djszapiN9this is suboptimal if i would just like to read what he wrote18:13
djszapiN9vkb should not be explicit, just if i wanna write18:14
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ZogG_laptopDec  7 18:55:35 (2011) twitter-qml[2277]: WARNING-X Error: BadDamage (invalid Damage parameter) 153   Extension:    146 (Uknown extension)   Minor opcode: 2 (Unknown request)   Resource id:  0x4318:17
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ZogG_laptopDec  7 18:55:38 (2011) twitter-qml[2277]: WARNING-X Error: BadDamage (invalid Damage parameter) 153   Extension:    146 (Uknown extension)   Minor opcode: 2 (Unknown request)   Resource id:  0x2918:17
ZogG_laptopis that related?18:17
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: as well not all users need to use developer mode as end user i don't want to have those bugs but can't provide info, than what?18:18
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Venemo_N950_fuckin N9950 dropped my connection18:30
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javispedroyou got a N9950!18:32
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ZogG_laptopit's like son of n9 and n95018:32
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ZogG_laptopVenemo_N950_: but autorecconect is integrated now right?18:32
Venemo_N950_ZogG_laptop, yes, but doesn't always work.18:33
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ZogG_laptophaven't tried new version yet18:34
Venemo_N950ZogG_laptop, I sent ya a link on twitter18:34
ZogG_laptopi installed it18:34
ZogG_laptopdidn't use i mean18:34
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Venemo_N950btw, still half an hour until the train departs...18:36
* Venemo_N950 is bored18:36
ZogG_laptopVenemo_N950: if on first screen i enter all data and push right button on menu with (about and quit) i'm stiill able to push connect (left one) and it would connect with right one still open18:36
ZogG_laptopconnecting takes for ever =)18:36
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Venemo_N950ZogG_laptop, menu bar doesn't disable the toolbar18:37
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ZogG_laptopyes but it should close if i push connect18:39
Venemo_N950ok, add that to the buglist on our wiki18:39
ZogG_laptopok remind me to do that =)18:40
Venemo_N950do dat now!18:40
Venemo_N950you've been reminded18:40
ZogG_laptopVenemo_N950: is the wiki on
ZogG_laptopVenemo_N950: and do you have log as i'm unable to connect18:41
ZogG_laptopit writes connecting and that's it18:41
Venemo_N950ZogG_laptop, you need to enter a real name and an ident too.18:42
Venemo_N950ZogG_laptop, if you don't, you'll get this bug.18:42
Venemo_N950you can just type a single character or sth.18:43
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ZogG_laptopwhere is wiki?18:45
ZogG_laptopbtw check my realname =)18:45
Venemo_N950ZogG_laptop, see
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ZogG_laptophmm how is it relted to communi and if communi source is aviable why it cost money on ovi? =)18:55
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Venemo_N950ZogG_laptop, we use the same lib as communi18:58
ZogG_laptopthat was the project you wonted to merge with?18:59
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dm8tbrjavispedro: I have now also borrowed a analogue MW so I can figure things out better by watching them work. Is it better to compile from git head or should your 0.2.1 package work well enough?19:05
javispedrothings don't work much in the analog, as there's no display at all...19:06
javispedrowhere you borrowed one from btw?19:06
dm8tbrthere are those 2 oled matrices19:06
dm8tbrfrom Devaamo LDP19:06
javispedroyeah yeah, I mean I'm not driving them19:06
javispedrothe protocol for the OLED displays is not the same as for the LCD in the digital one19:07
javispedroah, devaamo.19:07
dm8tbrstill it was nice to see it pair, send stuff, print debug output19:07
javispedroI'm pondering whether to ask the mw guys19:07
javispedrootherwise I don't think I'm getting much job done there19:07
dm8tbr*nod* I can help testing a bit, but I'm not much of a programmer :(19:08
javispedroif I'll get something done I'll ask :)19:08
javispedro*if I19:08
javispedrotrying to find how to workaround the buttons thing...19:09
Venemo_N950ZogG_laptop, merge did not happen.19:09
dm8tbrthey saw your work at that meetup, and I think they were quite impressed19:09
dm8tbryeah, it only has 3 buttons and they all seem mapped19:10
ZogG_laptopVenemo_N950: coz of them wanting money for the app?19:10
javispedrodm8tbr: analog should have 7!19:10
javispedro(the problem with the buttons is some issue when mixing the builtin UI with sowatch's that is driving tekojo crazy :) )19:10
dm8tbrthere are 3 physical buttons (the mapping might be a bit different)19:10
Venemo_N950ZogG_laptop, it's not related at all19:11
dm8tbras the crown can be pulled out19:11
dm8tbrso it might be that they map to different things based on the position of the crown19:11
ZogG_laptophmm is it me or counters of mobile network are not working?19:12
Venemo_N950work for me19:12
mgedminalso, the N9 switches orientation too happily when the phone is nearly horizontal19:13
javispedrodm8tbr: woah, seems that I even know less about the analog than I thought19:13
javispedrodm8tbr: the firmware says it has 7 buttons (6 as the digital + crown)19:13
javispedromore reason to borrow one :)19:13
Venemo_N950mgedmin, it's worse.19:14
dm8tbrjavispedro: well there is not even a user guide for the analogue MW...19:14
Stskeepsmgedmin: +119:16
dm8tbrjavispedro: I suspect, that the watch module inside actually has 6+1 button pins19:16
javispedroor a previous model19:17
javispedrothe internals support up to 8 buttons19:17
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mgedmincombine that with a BROWSER THAT HAS NO HISTORY, and I don't know how to go back and read the SECOND HALF of the page I was reading19:17
javispedromgedmin: the problem is their weird  and completely unnatural definition of "which side is up" that is completely unrelated to the application orientation :(19:18
javispedroso annoying I've been sometimes tempted to fire up a disassembler..19:18
mgedminoh, that too19:18
javispedromurphy's law says that when device is "flat" I will _always_ choose the wrong orientation19:19
mgedminexperiments can be devised to discover it means "towards the center of the Earth, according to the accelerometer"19:19
mgedminooh, I haven't even thought about the horizontal use case19:19
* dm8tbr usually swipes away from bottom or right nowadays19:20
dm8tbrleast chance to 'accidentially' swipe-close19:20
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javispedrodm8tbr: put the phone in inverse portrait. swipe from right.19:21
javispedroyes, it is probably not common to use in inverse protrait (unless in bed :) , but it hurts as hell when the app closes.19:21
dm8tbrme is holding the device power button down (upside down) swipes from right and app stays open in background19:22
javispedrosorry, meant inverse landscape =)19:22
javispedromy confusion19:22
dm8tbrbut then again my install seems completely messed up anyway19:22
javispedro(I mean, power button to the right)19:23
dm8tbrapp stays open in all orientations when swiped from the right, but then I suspect it is some franken-zombie-thing as my pr1.0-pr1.1 update didn't go exactly smooth19:24
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javispedrohmpf, you lucky.19:26
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Corsacwow, I never noticed the vnc server in the “sync & connect” sdk connection19:28
Corsacthat's nice (though I don't know how to swipe there)19:28
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djszapithere is even vnc gui in the hiro package iirc19:31
javispedrothere's one netview package now in the store19:32
javispedrowhich includes x11vnc iirc19:32
javispedrobut I didn't know the base firmware also had it19:32
ZogG_laptopi new19:32
faeniljavispedro: added the command to init.d, result = kernel crash at boot :)19:36
javispedrowhen starting X?19:37
faenildon't know exactly...I see the log at startup with the trace19:37
faeniland it doesn't go on19:37
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javispedroI guess it's now time to figure out how to prevent Ubuntu from loading gdm :)19:37
Corsacjavispedro: not the base firmware I think, it comes with developer mode19:40
djszapijavispedro: yes, netview is from hiro19:41
faeniljavispedro: or just use pm-powerseave :D19:42
javispedrofaenil: but there are many variables when using it19:43
javispedrofaenil: it won't solve a crash :)19:43
faenilwell maybe it's called too early/late when doing it from init.d...19:43
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javispedrobug 119:51
_MeeGoBot_Bug maj, Medium, ---, vivian.zhang, VERI FIXED, [Tracker] tracker-miner-fs should be auto-started after system boot19:51
javispedromaybe we could make the bot point to harmattan-bugs?19:51
javispedroor configure povbot for that, if its any easier.19:51
javispedrowho manages _MeeGoBot_ btw?19:55
javispedroah, it's right there on /whois :)19:56
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ZogG_laptopi'm tierd of gnome updating everyday =)20:00
ZogG_laptopi understand it's cold now but tierd of compiling it everytime20:00
javispedroit's been nearly two months since I last updated this box20:03
javispedroby the time I decide to update I'll guess I'll have to reinstall...20:03
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dm8tbrjavispedro: yes, was also thinking of that, as it is no longer used for anything else20:05
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ZogG_laptopjavispedro: ubuntu?20:28
ZogG_laptopoh right20:28
ZogG_laptopi already prepeared to laught at you =)20:29
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: go for funtoo20:29
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: btw my first install of gentoo - reinstalled ince when updated computer to sata, after that even when updated to 64bit i didn't reintall (btw it was bad idea but solved that at the end)20:30
* javispedro does not find difference between reinstalling and having to rebuild all packages20:30
javispedrobesides the fact that with reinstalling I usually remkfs the partition so it boots faster for a while.20:31
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ZogG_laptopjavispedro: i have funtoo on i5 with ssd and i think it's enuf. if you consider i use awesome wm =)20:35
ZogG_laptop4gigs of ram as well enuf for part of the system being on tmpfs20:35
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ZogG_laptopjavispedro: btw i think i tricked nokia20:42
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ZogG_laptopjavispedro: i just copied madde dir from qtsdk, and ould add manually all things i need for harmattan target or even use scratchbox (installed it too)20:43
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: with qtcreator from portage you can't use harmattan as target20:43
javispedrohm, this is interesting20:44
javispedroI've integrated my single menubar stuff only to the portage qt build20:44
javispedroZogG_laptop: but I guess I need to update both qt and qt-creator outside of the ~ stable versions?20:44
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: talked to qt maintainers - told they can't put sdk in portage and said to use one from nokia site20:44
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ZogG_laptopjavispedro: what do you mean? and btw you run it on n900 so you can't judge me =)20:46
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javispedroZogG_laptop: that I don't want to update20:57
javispedronot yet at least =)20:57
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tommajavispedro, install madde targets from sdk and use creator from portage21:00
tommaand if you want remote compiler, create ebuild which fetch sources from gitorious21:01
tommaoh and yes creator requires 4.7.4 qt which is ~arch keyworded21:04
javispedroalso, how can I add a Madde toolchain to "Tool chains" in options?21:05
djszapihas anybody tried madde for android development ?21:06
djszapi(scratchbox works)21:07
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ZogG_laptopjavispedro: it doesn't work for some reason i'll need that stupid thing as far as i would learn how to use scratchbox and cmake and would use it instead of that(so some examples of people using it)21:12
djszapiI have been using cmake and scratchbox for quite a while. What would you like to know ?21:13
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: do you build in scratchbox and than upload to n9 or how does it work?21:13
djszapiyes, of course21:14
tommajavispedro, creator handles that after you give it qmake21:14
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ZogG_laptoptomma: tried that it didn't take it, something is missing there21:15
tommaworks for me21:15
tommahmm... you have to click apply or ok for it to set up toolchain21:15
ZogG_laptopyeah i did but i can't build and if i use run qmake from menu it says exited with error21:16
djszapiwhen the qt-project finally drops this qmake, I will celebrate a big really :)21:16
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: yeah but for cmake you need to write your own cmake configs with targets or scratchbox has it?21:28
djszapihuh ?21:28
ZogG_laptopas far as i read some article that's what i understood21:31
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djszapinot sure what you mean... maybe the one-liner target_link_libraries ?21:32
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DocScrutinizerCorsac: BWAHAAAHAAA22:03
SpeedEvilThe delay was clearly the graphic artist.22:03
Corsac-r--r--r-- 1 4294967295 4294967295 2,4G déc.   5 09:43 SDK_Sources_PR1.1.ISO22:04
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Corsac-rw-r--r-- 1 1007 1010 746 nov.  29 14:33 kernel_2.6.32-20113701.10+0m6.dsc22:04
Corsac-rw-r--r-- 1 1007 1010 82M nov.  29 14:34 kernel_2.6.32-20113701.10+0m6.tar.gz22:04
Stskeepsoh you finally got it?22:04
Corsacok, let me put the iso and the unpack stuff there22:05
Corsaccould some people mirror it once it's done?22:05
DocScrutinizerjonni: any comments?22:05
DocScrutinizernow javispedro is offline again when there'S a proper indication about the actual version of that source22:06
DocScrutinizer[2011-12-08 20:22:40] <javispedro> according to the f.m.c thread, the dvd contains outdated sources too.22:06
DocScrutinizer[2011-12-08 20:22:52] <javispedro> the problem of using the older sources is that camera interface changed, you can read this on the changelog22:06
DocScrutinizer[2011-12-08 20:23:01] <javispedro> so closed-source userspace camera apps stop working22:07
jonnifmc thread someone got old dvd, but my dvd does contain pr1.1 sources22:08
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* DocScrutinizer hands jonni the hero-of-the-day medal of honor22:10
Stskeepscould someone just put the kernel up?22:12
DocScrutinizerI could host it, but not build it22:14
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DocScrutinizerlast one without any warranty by me or anybody else, neither any certified matching source available for it22:28
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rlinfatiDocScrutinizer, please, can you extrack the kernel sources of the iso? or mount the iso ?22:38
tarantismDoes anyone know the right way to control automatic app muting? eg the music player keeps playing when you change to a different app but other apps are muted.22:38
rlinfatii only want the source, and download 2.3gb is alot.22:38
CorsacStskeeps: transfer is ongoing22:39
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Corsacdamn, no space left on device :)22:41
DocScrutinizerrlinfati: sorry, it's not exactly easy to loopmount that ISO on that box, then bindmount it to the apache dir22:41
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: ^^^22:42
DocScrutinizer>>its basicly combination of enable-root-superuser.diff + kmod check disable<<22:43
DocScrutinizerno .diff for kmod yet22:43
DocScrutinizerso you all have fun now, fellas. Don't blame ME when you brick your device ;-D22:45
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StskeepsCorsac: ta22:47
Corsacand transfer is done22:49
Corsacand one should be able to deb-src ./22:53
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ZogG_laptophaha it was quick23:01
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Richlvtrying to flash n9 sends rootfs successfully till 4-12 % (each time different), then fails with messages like : "bb5_rdc_cert_read failed" / "Client SUD failed to handle message 0x88:0x08" - any ideas ?23:03
Richlvflashing from opensuse 11.4; talks about using "beta1" if such errors pop up, but that's about n95023:04
djszapitarantism: I think the policy framework is doing the muting. I think applications have to tell the policy framework if they want to play audio in the background. I don't know the details.23:05
ZogG_laptopi knew it23:07
ZogG_laptopfmradio and bluettoth are no go at the same time =) so no radio on bluetooth headset23:07
djszapiCorsac: I must admit, I am kinda disappointed about the bug 123. I wanted to help, and asked for information, but I have been said "we do not need that".23:12
_MeeGoBot_Bug nor, Medium, ---, ross, VERI FIXED, Bisho: Allow user to remove account23:12
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tarantismdjszapi: Thanks. You can unmute the app ok (pactl set-sink-input-mute SINK_INPUT_NUM 0). So I could just continually check whether it's muted and unmute but this doesn't feel like the right approach ;)23:16
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i said i can provide info23:17
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: want my syslog? twitter asks for password every 20-40 minutes =\23:17
djszapithis is exactly the reason why we do not deal with such noise on the public bug tracker in general23:17
djszapiand why we concentrate on well-thought internal bug reports. It is just a time waste, and noise.23:18
ZogG_laptopwho is meegobot owner?23:19
ZogG_laptopdm8tbr: you should send to harmattan bugtracker at least on this chan23:19
ZogG_laptop~bug 12323:20
* infobot places a mind-control bug in 123's ear, Star Trek II style23:20
dm8tbrZogG_laptop: yes, it's on my todo list as I said already today23:20
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jonniZogG_laptop: password re-ask is known bug which is already fixed in future pr releases.23:32
Richlvarr. why would flashing fail for rootfs at different % each time... as if something would interrupt it23:33
jonniRichlv: whats the flash command that your trying to use?23:33
Richlv../flasher/flasher -F DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin -f -R23:34
Richlvexactly that :)23:34
jonniRichlv: most likely crc checksum error, ie when you've downloaded the image some bit has gone wrong and it fails the signature checking.23:35
Richlvjonni, thanks for the idea, will try to re-download it23:35
jonniRichlv: redownload the .bin and try again23:35
jonniand if that doesnt help, then there might be hardware problems or low battery23:36
Richlvflasher reports that battery is 51%23:36
jonniusually its a good idea to have 100% charge then starting to flash23:36
jonnias sometimes lower battery just fails during flashing23:37
jonnibut most usually its just corrupted download23:38
djszapijonni: well, there is a password re-asking bug which has never been fixed, and broken by design23:38
djszapiand that is exactly the reason why I asked for syslog which would show it, but the people asking for help refused it :/23:38
Richlvhmm. aren't there some md5sums available for images ? that would allow me to verify it much faster23:38
jonnidjszapi: ah if there is some twitter spefic then I havent been following, but atleast the re-asking on facebook,mailforexchange,google,ovistore etc has been fixed.23:40
djszapiwell, I kinda lost my sake to listen to public bugzilla if they refuse to provide the information needed for helping them :)23:41
jonniits not really bugzilla, rather feature-request-zilla23:41
djszapiyou can play with the terms. The point remains.23:42
jonnionly seen couple valid bugs in there23:42
jonniand even then its just pain since its really hard to crosscheck if its been fixed already or not.23:43
djszapimainly if the reports are that poor like above...23:44
* Richlv could report better ones, maybe =)23:45
Richlvlike "connect to network" coming up all the time when trying to use maps :)23:45
Richlvcancel-popup-cancel-popup cycle quickly teaches you to slide it in the background instead23:46
Richlvprobably unrelated - wondering why has link to
DocScrutinizeralso the image might not match the device, Richlv jonni23:49
RichlvDocScrutinizer, shouldn't it fail immediately then ? i looked at the image contents with "-i" and it did seem to match both model & hardware revision23:50
DocScrutinizerRichlv: I don't know for sure, seems there are strange things going on during flashing23:51
DocScrutinizerand Nokia didn't document any bit of all that23:51
jonnifull battery and unmodified image, that is the recipe for success23:52
jonniand people can check behind sim-card holder if they are trying to flash right one.23:53
Richlvthe fact that the app to match images to the model is win-only says something as well23:53
DocScrutinizera not comprehensive but mandatory set of prerequisites23:54
jonnidoesnt need to match always, but generally yes.23:55
Richlvat least filesize for .bin matches exactly, so the only corruption could be contents :/23:55
jonniif you googlesearch that filename and md5 you get the result23:57
DocScrutinizerRichlv: usually random errors are caused by poor hardware (cables - also inside PC from mobo to receptacke, etc)23:58
Richlvjonni, hah, good idea (points back to channel logs for this channel or maemo forum, but still :) ) - "unfortunately", md5 matches23:59
Richlvso i guess re-downloading won't help23:59

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