IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2011-12-05

dm8tbrI'm not sure how you'd get your hands on proper official images for N9 though. I think people use something called navifirm.00:00
sledgesyup, but its in Win :(
sledgesalongside with the Flasher00:01
dm8tbrflasher works best on linux00:02
sledgeswhere do I get linux version, or is it python or smthng ?00:02
sledgeswonderful, thank you dm8tbr !00:11
sledgesnow I need to revise my MTD knowledge: why /proc/mtd does not match /proc/partitions ? :)00:12
* dm8tbr wonders if navifirm would run under win00:12
dm8tbrsledges: you don't need to bother with those things unless you want to run Nemo00:12
sledgesdm8tbr: you mean under lin under wine? navifirm is win00:12
dm8tbrthe e got lost00:13
sledgesjust like the accounts on aegisfs ;)00:13
sledgesyup, but dm8tbr I need to make the Flash backup as you told me and I completely concur00:13
dm8tbryou do not00:13
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dm8tbruse the backup tool00:13
dm8tbrand then connect by USB and copy your data00:13
dm8tbrthat's it00:14
sledges[21:24] <dm8tbr> now backup the contents of mass storage and you're good00:14
dm8tbr22:13:57< dm8tbr> and then connect by USB and copy your data00:14
w00tprotip: when not flashing the eMMC(/no erase-user-data), make sure if you have a lock code, it's accessible in the default english keyboard00:14
sledgesok, so mass storage backup is done by the Backup utility00:14
dm8tbrsledges: the backup tool will back up all necessary things from among other things the home directory. this backup will be placed in MyDocs which is what is exported over USB00:15
* sledges confused on both remarks00:15
dm8tbrso first run backup, THEN copy EVERYTHING over usb to your PC00:16
sledgesdm8tbr: ok, that's what you meant by "mass storage" ok. so you reckong it will backup the borked signond aegisfs stuff?00:16
dm8tbrI am not sure, you'll need to try00:16
sledgesok, won't put myself through the deeper stuffs of dd'ing too much (the strange mapping of cmdline:mtdparts and .../mtds and .../partitions, `mount` and `df -h` output for mtdblock* got me there thinking :))00:18
sledgess/mtdblock/mmcblk/ and I think this typo of mine just answered many questions altogether :))00:19
sledgesis NAND != the internal USB Flash: just like wikipedia says: 512 MB internal NAND memory | 16 or 64 GB on-board memory :)))00:21
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sledges~pong :) I sometimes try the simple /whois to see whether the channel's dead or it's just me :))01:03
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bemascHas anyone managed to build an Ovi app that statically links to libs that come from .deb packages?01:39
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heeeeguaWhen i lunched the a camera application which developed for meego. the result come from the console like this, anyone know why it occurs?!03:58
heeeegua\hijackWindow() context created for CameraWidget(0xaed1fa84) 103:58
heeeeguaFound SGX/MBX driver, enabling FullClearOnEveryFrame03:58
heeeeguaFound v1.4 driver, enabling brokenTexSubImage03:58
heeeeguaQGLWindowSurface: Using plain widget as window surface QGLWindowSurface(0x77ec8)03:58
heeeeguavirtual GstElement* QGstreamerGLTextureRenderer::videoSink() : Fallback to QVideoSurfaceGstSink since EGLImageTextureHandle is not supported03:58
heeeeguaCameraBin error: "Could not negotiate format"03:58
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cb-<yawn> .. Anyone awake?05:52
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hiemanshuhas anyone written anything with regards to changing fonts in an app?07:49
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djszapifrals: do you know how to make the, role); call since the index available in the delegate is an integer and not QModelIndex.08:43
djszapishall I construct a QModelIndex in QML somehow and pass that ?08:43
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djszapiX-Fade ping10:02
thpdjszapi: have you set the model on a QML ListView?10:02
thpdjszapi: if so, you can use role names to access them from QML via name10:02
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djszapithp: I would like to ask for information out of the view/delegate.10:03
thpis the information per-row?10:03
djszapiI can build a qmodelindex if needed. That was my initial question10:04
djszapiyes, it is per row based since qml is pre-mature. It does not really support the table concept10:04
djszapiand this is reaaaaaally sad10:05
thpdjszapi: use self.setRoleNames() on the QAbstractListModel and then access the fields using the role name, and te data(index, role) call will be created automatically10:05
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thpdjszapi: e.g. self.setRoleNames({0: 'name', 1: 'email', 2: 'website'})10:06
thpdjszapi: in the delegate, you simply use "name", "email", etc.. as if they were local variables10:07
djszapithe point is that, I would not like to use it from a delegate10:07
djszapiotherwise it would be super simple.10:07
djszapisince I have been doing it from delegate for one and half a years10:07
thpdjszapi: in that case, why not write a Slot with a return value and a single index parameter? then you can either access the data store directly or create the QModelIndex outside of QML10:08
djszapithat is hackish enough10:08
djszapiand my question was to avoid such hacks10:08
djszapiso I somewhat hoped if I have an index integer saved from the delegate where the click happened. I will be able to ask the data from qml10:09
thpi suspect that creating a QModelIndex in QML might be more hackish, but maybe because i have never seen it ;)10:09
thpdjszapi: well, QML ListModel has
djszapifrankly, qml should be able to handle this implicitely.10:09
djszapiack later, get off the train10:10
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djszapiX-Fade: what authentication do you use for AFM ?10:41
djszapiplain password ?10:41
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djszapiX-Fade: right now, OCS supports only plain password and OpenID.10:48
djszapiimplementing an OpenID signon plugin is .. not 2 minutes since there are many ways of doing that and implementing for all of those takes me a time. OAuth is apparently not supported.10:49
X-Fadedjszapi: Yeah, we've been pondering about what to do.10:54
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X-Fadedjszapi: We can do plain over SSL already atm.10:55
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djszapiX-Fade: I will use this signon plugin then:
djszapifor the AFM account plugin10:55
X-Fadedjszapi: That would be a great!10:56
djszapiX-Fade: I will not have a specific AFM plugin since it is OCS after all10:56
djszapiso I will put the common stuff in there, like GamingFreedom, AFM, and an "other" option so that anybody can put a new OCS server implementation in there.10:57
X-Fadedjszapi: Yeah, well as long as you can configure it to point to the right one :)10:57
X-Fadedjszapi: If we can register a 'target' on install, it should be fine.10:58
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djszapiX-Fade the concept is similar to the "Other mails"11:01
djszapiexcept that we ship the currently known one explicitely, too11:01
djszapibecause people will be confused about "Collabrations."11:02
X-Fadedjszapi: Can we do it programmatically though? E.g. drop in an config file or some dbus invocation?11:02
djszapithey do not know AFM, GamingFreedom or belong there.11:02
djszapithey just know these sites :)11:02
djszapiX-Fade: well, it is one provider file.11:02
djszapiyou can ship a provider file with your app I guess.11:03
djszapibut yes, accounts-qt was designed for that.11:03
djszapiso that client applications, like gluon can show it up for sure.11:03
djszapior irc-chatter for an IRC account plugin I also plan.11:04
X-FadeOk, cool.11:04
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rantomSomeone want to help me reproduce this: bug 32911:26
_MeeGoBot_Bug nor, Medium, ---, thomas.wood, CLOS FIXED, Buttons do not change appearance when not reactive11:26
rantom...damn. I meant this:
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fluxrantom, you should perhaps accompany your reproduction with screenshots of each step :)11:27
rantomI find it odd that with the same firmware I can't get it to work11:30
juergbirantom: the attached screenshot only shows the contact card with the birthday set11:31
juergbiif i understand you correctly, you're expecting a calendar entry11:31
rantomjuergbi: Yes.11:32
djszapi10:09 < thp> djszapi: well, QML ListModel has -> The model is in cpp11:32
rantomjuergbi: Yes, I'm expecting a calendar entry11:32
fluxrantom, there can be other factors involved that affect this11:32
juergbii can confirm that this does not work with pr1.1 but i think that's a missing feature, not a bug per se11:32
rantomI'd say it's a bug since it's redirecting to the Calendar11:32
rantomIf it'd be a feature it wouldn't link to the Calendar11:33
fluxwell, maybe it's just a feature that it shows it in the calendar11:33
juergbiit's redirecting to the right date11:33
juergbirantom: there are a couple of birthday <-> calendar sync apps that you might want to try11:36
rantomjuergbi: Yes, I'm aware of those. Cakeapp and MeeBirthdays11:36
rantomWhich only the latter is in the Ovi Store11:36
rantomWas it Control+Shift+P to take a screenshot in N950?11:38
juergbiit should be available in a future firmware version11:39
rantomjuergbi: Oh, great.. I searched for Calendar and birthdays and the duplicate-finder didn't find that either11:40
* rantom curses bugzilla11:40
juergbiit doesn't find closed bugs by default11:40
rantomjuergbi: is that a feature or a bug?11:43
rantombug about bugzilla..11:43
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juergbii think it's intentional (bugzilla upstream default, afaik)11:44
rantomI'd rather disable it, if I can11:44
juergbion the search page you can choose "all" instead of just "open"11:45
rantomoh, ok11:45
rantomIIRC MeeGo bugzilla was automatically "all"11:45
rantomBut thanks. I'll submit the "duplicate" to the bug and attach the screenshot11:47
rantomif I can get Boosted WG to show up, that is11:47
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rantom..had to use the N911:57
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djszapiX-Fade: are you on the ocs mailing list ?12:08
X-Fadedjszapi: No, I'm not.12:08
djszapiI am now writing a mail about asking the oauth method12:09
djszapiwould probably be good to have it in place.12:09
X-Fadedjszapi: bergie is our ocs expert :)12:09
djszapitalking to him on gtalk right now12:09
djszapiyes, we designed the OCS 2.0 standard together in MAy :)12:10
djszapiit is a bit sad, it is still not out :/12:10
X-FadeYeah, ocs v1 is a bit.... random :)12:10
X-FadeBut at least it is something and it works.12:11
djszapiyeah, OCS1 is weird, so is the attica API12:11
djszapiI would love to scrap these things ...12:11
djszapiand revamp them.12:12
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djszapiX-Fade: would you see the advantage of having oauth support for OCS ?12:18
djszapiI am not familiar with these authentication methods.12:18
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X-Fadedjszapi: You can then grant an application access to your account through a website. And also revoke if needed.12:19
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pyhimysI have an application icon that has an arrow pointing down?
pyhimysDoesn't seem to do anything12:24
thpdjszapi: yes, but you could write a slot in cpp to behave like the get method ;)12:24
djszapithp: I will just cache the results12:24
djszapifrom the delegate.12:25
gripyhimys: that's from the apps for meego installer, as far as I know the icon should not be visible12:25
rantomOne more thing (if not under the NDA): has there been any talk about adding support for CarDAV?12:25
pyhimysgri: ok, thanks for the info :)12:26
X-Fadepyhimys: That is a issue we have with a desktop file which registers the one-click-install file.12:26
X-FadeIt tends to go away after reboot or upgrade of the package.12:27
X-FadeBut will be fixed more permanently in a future version :)12:27
djszapiok, I think I figured out the dependency management story in Ovi store.12:28
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gridjszapi: dependency management story?12:35
djszapiit can technically handle dependencies.12:38
djszapithere is not "but". I think I understand the things.12:40
griyou mean dependencies between two items in ovi store, right?12:41
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djszapiyes and no12:42
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* gri is still waiting for ovi qa :( their trainee should work faster :P12:49
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CorsacDocScrutinizer: I got another reply from sourcecode request13:37
CorsacJust to inform you, the corresponding sources for the open-source components in Meego Harmattan PR1.1 you have requested have been sent by mail on a DVD to the postal address you have provided us. Thank you  for your interest, and have fun!13:37
CorsacDocScrutinizer: I'll keep you posted13:37
StskeepsCorsac: did you ask them to please check if the version matches before sending it?13:38
Corsactss :)13:38
Stskeeps(i'm not asking that for fun)13:39
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lizardoCorsac: will they send the kernel sources? I hope so :)13:43
Corsacthat was the main point, but I'll let you know13:44
pabs3aren't the sorces already published at ?13:45
djszapiotherwise, these guys would not request it for instance :)13:47
Corsacpabs3: they have issues with publishing sources on the web, apparently13:47
hiemanshudoesn't GPL require you to publish the sources on the web?13:47
hiemanshuwhere it is available to all or something like that13:47
leinirhiemanshu: No, the GPL requires you to give sourcecode to your users, not publish in general13:47
Corsac(we don't know what kind of issues, but the initial mail I received said that dvd was the best they could do right now)13:47
hiemanshuleinir: ah right13:47
radiofreethey can send it to you printed out if they want to13:47
pabs3Corsac: bizarre13:48
djszapihiemanshu: please read the GPL license13:48
leinir(a lawyer told me this a while back, interesting technicality i didn't realise about it until then ;) )13:48
Corsacradiofree: no13:48
djszapiCorsac: I did tell many times what kind of issues13:48
djszapirefuse my answers ? :)13:48
hiemanshudjszapi: what kind of issues I would like to know13:49
CorsacI didn't read them I think13:49
hiemanshudid they run out of hosting space?13:49
djszapihiemanshu: the log is your friend.13:49
hiemanshudjszapi: gimme the TL;DR version :D13:49
Corsacdo you have an idea when it was, more or less?13:49
djszapihiemanshu: btw, no offense, please read the licenses the open source world uses daily.13:51
hiemanshudjszapi: I have read it, was just confused at that point13:51
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djszapigri: -> the password plugin seems to be simple.13:52
Venemo_N950hey guys13:52
djszapiVenemo_N950: could you please investigate irc-chatter ? It is completely non-functional13:52
gridjszapi: Already seen that13:52
hiemanshudjszapi: its working for us, what exactly do you mean by non-functional?13:53
djszapihiemanshu: read the log13:53
djszapiyesterday or before that13:53
Venemo_N950djszapi, weird, it works for everyone else. could you please join our channel and tell me more about it?13:53
djszapiI prefer this channel since more eyes13:53
Venemo_N950so what exactly did you do?13:54
djszapiVenemo_N950: backlog13:54
Venemo_N950djszapi, you said it's stuck at 'connecting, please wait' right?13:55
djszapiwell, I said more than that13:55
Corsacdjszapi: when pointing people to log, provide a decent pointer would help13:55
djszapiI said it happens with any channels, so it is not channel specific13:55
djszapiCorsac: the log search ?13:55
djszapiCorsac: I am sorry I am having a paid job, I cannot type instead of you.13:56
djszapiI would do the same...13:56
Venemo_N950djszapi, so it connects to the server, but fails to join channels?13:56
djszapiI do not know what the background stuff is, but on the ui: nothing.13:56
Corsacdjszapi: well, I do have a paid job too, that's pretty much unrelated13:56
hiemanshudjszapi: just because you have a paid job doesn't mean we dont, point us somewhere we can look atleast, just saying 'I can find indian food in London' is pointless13:57
djszapikeep complaining then, I do not care.13:57
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djszapiVenemo_N950: and it happened in every areas where I was, so it is not a network traffic problem.13:57
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Venemo_N950djszapi, so it didn't connect to any server at all?13:58
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gri|n950works for me ;)14:11
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djszapiN9gri try to remove the ident14:14
gridjszapi: remove it? you mean setting it to ""?14:14
djszapiN9delete it as it is by default14:15
djszapiN9it does not work if you either remove that or the real name14:16
griapplication crashed14:16
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Venemo_N950hey gri|n95014:18
griso what's the error? Setting ident to "" crashed the application once, second try did connect14:18
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griand crashed again in channel chooser14:19
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hiemanshugri: what version do you have?14:21
griVersion: 0.0.20110903-0~rzr0+lucid014:21
griold it seems14:21
hiemanshugri: try 0.1.90 :P14:22
griok, so the snapshot one14:22
hiemanshuyes, there is a 0.1.90 that was written with the newer lib14:23
Venemo_N950gri, that build is from yesterday.14:23
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gristrange, my phone downloads a different one14:24
Venemo_N950gri, dat's because this one isn't in any repo yet.14:25
griah ok14:25
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djszapiN9gri they do not have direct link in the topic sadly14:25
djszapiN9but i can find that14:26
Venemo_N950djszapi, already gave him the link14:26
hiemanshugri: easier to type on the phone14:26
hiemanshuwget it, and install it :)14:26
griI don't type on the phone, always have my usb cable with me for ssh :)14:26
djszapiN9Venemo_N950, i do not see direct link14:27
Venemo_N950djszapi, i didn't say direct, just link. but as you can see, hiemanshu already has one.14:28
gristuck in "connecting" while console shows "IrcSession::open(): userName is empty!"14:29
djszapiN9gri indeed14:29
hiemanshugri: yes, I asked in #freenode, ircd needs one now, fixing it14:29
djszapiN9so it is not like as they said: workd for everybody else :)14:29
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thpJaffa: congrats on becoming a qt ambassador :)15:24
hiemanshuwhat is the font in Terminal? it seems monospaced15:26
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Jaffathp: Thanks :-)15:52
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* Jaffa needs to document a hardhack for the N915:52
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Jaffathp: Hardware hack. Whilst waiting for a nice stand to use my N9 as an alarm clock in my hotel room (I've been using rubber bands for grip and folding the note pads)16:16
Jaffathp: But for this trip I've got something better made out of four Lego bricks16:16
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* mgedmin tried using the 770 stand once, it seemed to mostly work16:30
dm8tbrheh, nice16:30
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SpeedEvilJaffa: haha16:40
SpeedEvilJaffa: I note it is made out of the same material.16:40
* SpeedEvil is pondering making something ratehr bigger out of polycarbonate -
Jaffamgedmin: Couldn't find a spare one. I've ordered one from Amazon (a "Crabble"), but it's not here yet.16:42
JaffaSpeedEvil: Good point, I forgot that :-)16:42
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thpJaffa: ;)16:57
thp"This photo was taken 40 minutes ago using a RIM BlackBerry 8520."16:58
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Jaffathp: Well, I couldn't take the photos with my N9, could I? ;-)17:19
Corsacwith your n900!17:21
thpmirror magic!17:25
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luke-jrI'd post a picture of my N900 apart, but my wife lost the other camera :/17:26
JaffaCorsac: N900 is at home. I'm at a client site in Sweden (and forgot to take a picture last night when I built it)17:39
MohammadAGwe have enough pictures of torn apart N900s :p17:40
GeneralAntillesWindows 7 is awesome.17:48
GeneralAntillesI especially like how it decides it wont connect to saved wireless networks anymore.17:49
griGeneralAntilles: my win7 sets the name server every day to "manual", in university I always have to change back to "automatic"17:52
griit can't remember that thing :P17:52
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ZogG_laptopX-Fade: ping22:05
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ZogG_laptopwazd: you are everywhere =)22:15
ZogG_laptopwow just got p1.222:15
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, you have an iPhone right?22:16
ZogG_laptopdidn't work22:16
yipdwZogG_laptop: PR1.2 from where?22:16
ZogG_laptopwas tring to check iff people are still alive22:16
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: yeah22:17
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: you got siri i saw it22:17
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: did you jailbreak it?22:17
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, obviously, it's an iPhone 4, off topic, go PM :p22:17
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ZogG_laptopis it me with timeouts or the world got crazy22:19
MohammadAG~seen stroughtonsmith22:29
infobotstroughtonsmith <> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 4d 9h 2m 17s ago, saying: 'even tho you can now sync with a mac and wp7 easily'.22:29
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Venemo_N950frals, the harmattan facebook app went nuts22:48
Venemo_N950frals, its menu shows that I have a new message, while I don't have any new messages. :(22:50
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gabriel9good evening23:25
Venemogabriel9, you too23:26
gabriel9what is the name of the element for "window" title in qml23:26
gabriel9some apps have it, and i wish to add it to my app23:26
Venemogabriel9, no such element. just place a rectangle there, set its color to whatever color you like, and put inside it a label23:27
gabriel9or toolbar23:27
gabriel9and i can put some elements on it23:27
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gabriel9we need some good book for qt/qtquicj23:29
Venemogabriel9, here is how I make my toolbar:
gabriel9did you publish your app?23:30
Venemonot yet, no.23:30
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gabriel9well i need good IRC client23:31
gabriel9hurry :)23:31
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Venemogabriel9, you can get the latest pre-release from
Venemogabriel9, you can get the latest pre-release from
gabriel9i must ask: Is this safe to install?23:34
gabriel9it will not steal my data or anything like that23:34
VenemoI built the .deb yesterday.23:35
Venemogabriel9, well, it will regularly make pics with both the front and the rear cam, and it will send them to my email address23:35
gabriel9i'm naked just so you know23:35
gabriel9and hairy23:36
Venemogabriel9, I KNOW!23:36
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daniel_othx, i'm not hungry anymore23:36
Venemogabriel9, it automatically uploads pics of nude women to porn sites and pics of naked men to gay dating sites.23:37
yipdwVenemo: if so, that's the first Harmattan app I know of that uses the front-facing camera23:37
yipdwwell done23:37
Venemogabriel9, in other respects, it's safe to install yes.23:37
Venemoyipdw, not true23:37
gabriel9there is Simple Mirror23:37
Venemoyipdw, there is an app called "simple mirror" in ovi store23:37
yipdwVenemo: I didn't know that23:37
gabriel9yea that one23:37
Venemogabriel9, yipdw, in any case, I'm obviously joking here.23:37
Venemobut the app is free & open source, so feel free to build it for yourself if you feel safer that way.23:38
gabriel9i trust you23:38
gabriel9well i would newer make harm to other people23:38
gabriel9but if they are evil23:39
gabriel9i just bought a knife :)23:39
Venemoin your Scratchbox, do 'git pull --recursive git://' then 'QMAKEFLAGS=DEFINES+=PRERELEASE fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage'23:39
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Venemosorry, forgot the cd23:39
gabriel9no problem23:40
gabriel9i trust you23:40
gabriel9damn this nokia browser can' download23:41
gabriel9is there any way to fix it23:42
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Venemogabriel9, go to terminal, type 'wget'23:45
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gabriel9nice icon23:51
gabriel9for some reason it ca'nt connect23:55
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