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| Venemo | I'm hacking on my IRC client, as usual | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MMMPFF >> [...] We have been cooperating with the authorities to identify a possible security breach on the site. Our own investigation shows the site was breached on a number of occasions between August 22, 2011 and November 30, 2011. During this period, information that may have been exposed includes your username, email address and other content you may have uploaded to the site. [...] We have now suspended the http://projects. | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | developer.nokia.com site as a precautionary measure, while we conduct further investigations and security assessments [...] << | 01:44 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, we all got that, yet. | 01:44 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, we all got that, yes | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | the timespan is ... :-x | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | also "and other content" is not exactly amusing me | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> We do not store any sensitive data such as credit card information, financial data or Social Security numbers on the site. << my delivery addr is no sensitive data, uh? | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | my position, my full name, my age whatnot | 01:49 |
| Venemo | everyone knows that already | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | amazing how everybody except me knew it 30 min ago | 01:56 |
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| psycho_oreos | ahaha this is bloody amusing.. if GPIO 71 (keyboard slide) is not triggered, Fn + Sym/Ctrl would fail to bring up extra sets of virtual keyboard characters. | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all that mail arrived here some 90min ago, and I hope I'm not the one who gets Nokia's mail with 2 days delay | 02:00 |
| Venemo | psycho_oreos, :) | 02:00 |
| psycho_oreos | I actually thought those two were completely unrelated issues. I guess I'm thankful that they are. | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, what's unrelated? | 02:03 |
| psycho_oreos | oh sh*t, wrong channel lol.. should've gone into #maemo no #harmattan lmfao | 02:03 |
| psycho_oreos | you know how in x-term for example where you go Fn + Sym/Ctrl on N900, it brings up extra characters such as ` for example. If the GPIO 71 switch is not working (lack of magnet as prescribed) N900 sees slider is closed and it will not trigger extra keyboard symbols no matter what you do | 02:05 |
| psycho_oreos | I thought the extra keyboard symbols thingy was not related to the GPIO 71 not detecting the slider being open.. it automatically assumes that its closed | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: name, address, etc is public info | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the link to my mail addt hardly is, nor is my first name any public in the sense you imply | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and the addr Nokia got from me differs from what you might get for 'public' addr | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which makes it easy for me to sue Nokia when somebody is going to abuse it | 02:11 |
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| lardman | morning | 10:00 |
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| Venemo_N950 | ~ping | 10:45 |
| infobot | ~pong | 10:45 |
| Venemo_N950 | win! | 10:46 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey djszapi :) | 10:55 |
| djszapi | huomenta :) | 10:55 |
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| djszapi | zz_gri: interesting, most of the account plugins have signon plugin implemented as well. They are not even few lines either. | 12:26 |
| djszapi | yipdw: "they don't include any support for account storage or whatnot" -> you sure ? | 12:36 |
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| Venemo | ~seen joppu | 13:22 |
| infobot | joppu <joppu@217.30.184.161> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 23d 26m 18s ago, saying: 'Venemo: on the wiki page, there's an email address to mail the entry to'. | 13:22 |
| djszapi | Venemo: so do you put irc-chatter to ovi store ? | 13:24 |
| Venemo | djszapi, I will, certainly | 13:24 |
| Venemo | djszapi, but the new version still requires some coding and a lot of testing | 13:25 |
| djszapi | Venemo: you can probably integrate an IRC account plugin, too as soon as I am ready with one. :) | 13:27 |
| djszapi | the communication, that is. accounts-qt stuff. | 13:28 |
| Venemo | djszapi, are you working on such a thing? | 13:28 |
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| Venemo | djszapi, I myself am interested in making an account plugin for this, but last time I checked (few months ago), this area was undocumented. | 13:29 |
| djszapi | yes, it is pretty much undocumented. | 13:30 |
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| MohammadAG | Oh yeah | 13:30 |
| djszapi | and yes, OCS plugin, and IRC plugins I have been trying to do. | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | w00t asked us to remind him about some example code two months ago | 13:30 |
| djszapi | maybe google++ later :) | 13:30 |
| djszapi | Venemo: I am lucky in that sense, I have the source code of these things and all the plugins (signon involved). | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | Thats cheating | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | Weaj | 13:31 |
| Venemo | djszapi, well, if you manage to make an IRC account plugin, I'm interested in integrating it with my app. | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | Weak* | 13:31 |
| djszapi | Venemo: sure, that is why I mentioned. | 13:32 |
| * MohammadAG continues his search for top on iOS | 13:32 | |
| djszapi | Venemo: but I need other projects as well for Harmattan, like a media player. | 13:34 |
| Venemo | djszapi, what's wrong with da built-in one? | 13:38 |
| djszapi | Venemo: nothing. | 13:38 |
| Venemo | then? | 13:39 |
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| djszapi | then why am I planning it ? | 13:40 |
| Venemo | yea, why? | 13:40 |
| djszapi | I would like to test my qtopenal code out so I will write a reference implementation (a.k.a. example). It is mostly for games, but last time I talked to a media player author, and he said it is much easier to use the openal API than any others out there. No callbacks, no zillion dependencies and the like: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/multimedia/qtopenal/repository | 13:41 |
| Venemo | mhm :) | 13:41 |
| djszapi | it already handles decoding, so it is in a testable state. I am just extending it with new decoder backends. | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | Lack of playlists | 13:42 |
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| Venemo | is it possible to pass custom parameters to dpkg-buildpackage, like variables or stuff like that? | 13:43 |
| djszapi | what would you like to pass ? | 13:43 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: I did make a playlist based on openal | 13:44 |
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| MohammadAG | djszapi: And it works with mafw? | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | I need my N950 :/ | 13:45 |
| macmaN | damn MohammadAG | 13:45 |
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| djszapi | MohammadAG: I do not think they have anything to share in common | 13:45 |
| macmaN | #3 hasnt gotten there still? | 13:45 |
| MohammadAG | Indeed | 13:46 |
| djszapi | it is basically a completely different design from the groun up, like QtOpenGL and QGraphicsView framework. | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG | djszapi: Exactly mu point | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG | The built in one has regressions from fremantle | 13:46 |
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| djszapi | that is why you mentioned the playlist ? | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG | Yes | 13:47 |
| djszapi | I have a working playlist, at least. | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo: djszapi, what's wrong with da built-in one? | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | I was answering that | 13:47 |
| Venemo | fucking scratchbox refuses to connect to the internet | 13:47 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, yeah I noticed! :) thanks | 13:47 |
| macmaN | MohammadAG: seriously, *i* need you to have your n950 | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | I can have a working playlist with mafw | 13:48 |
| macmaN | :> | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | macmaN: Got some nukes? | 13:48 |
| djszapi | Venemo: works for me. | 13:48 |
| Venemo | djszapi, apt-get is stuck at "0% [Connecting to harmattan-dev.nokia.com]0% [Connecting to harmattan-dev.nokia.com]" forever | 13:48 |
| Venemo | djszapi, it also fails to ping any address | 13:48 |
| djszapi | Venemo: weird, works for me. | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | Fix /etc/resolv.conf | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | Set it to 8.8.8.8 or cp host to sb | 13:49 |
| djszapi | Venemo: I have this in resolv.conf nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 13:49 |
| Venemo | it is set to 8.8.8.8 and 4.4.4.4 | 13:49 |
| Venemo | this is my resolv.conf http://pastebin.com/hPmw63ib | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | 70% battery usage in 3 hours | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | Freakin iphone | 13:50 |
| Venemo | 'sudo rm -rf /scratchbox' and reinstalling the platform SDK will help. this is a damn old version anyway. | 13:51 |
| djszapi | Venemo: why scratchbox ? in the first place ? Wasn't the qtsdk your firm belief ? :p | 13:51 |
| Venemo | djszapi, I use scratchbox when I make a package. | 13:51 |
| djszapi | why so ? | 13:51 |
| Venemo | well, MADDE in the Qt SDK can also do that, but it's easier in Scratchbox. | 13:52 |
| djszapi | been saying for half a year :)) | 13:52 |
| Venemo | yeah | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | NO | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | unmount before doing that!!! | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | Removing /scratchbox can possibly harm your system | 13:52 |
| Venemo | well, I've always agreed on that! that is why I never wanted to create packages with Qt Creator | 13:52 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, I've stopped sb before doing it | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | But you forgot to mention how here | 13:53 |
| Venemo | 'sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop' | 13:53 |
| djszapi | scratchbox is an awesome stuff | 13:53 |
| djszapi | I am enjoying the same workflow for android | 13:53 |
| djszapi | and will do that probably for tizen as well | 13:54 |
| djszapi | if the Nokia feature phone is linux based, that as well | 13:54 |
| Venemo | :) | 13:54 |
| Venemo | scratchbox also works on my ideapad | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | Tizen is the reason i might leave to ios if no decent platforms show up | 13:54 |
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| Venemo | if no decent platform shows up, I'll just go for WP7 (NON-Nokia WP7), but only after my N950 rusts to dust... :P | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | iOS for me, large application library, developing, or even hacking pays well | 13:56 |
| Venemo | mhm | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | And tbh id rather go with apple than ms | 13:58 |
| Venemo | C# is more fun to code than Objective-C | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | iOS can have C/C++ afaik | 13:58 |
| djszapi | speaking of C#, Venemo: I could not port mono yet. There was a compilation error. It would be nice to get it work.. | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | Also iOS devs are awesome | 13:59 |
| Venemo | djszapi, I've got no experience with porting Mono, unfortunately. | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | At least one says the n9 is awesome and actually frequents this channel | 14:00 |
| Venemo | :) | 14:00 |
| djszapi | though, glade seemed a bit of more pain than qml | 14:00 |
| Venemo | glade has a better designer IDE than qml | 14:00 |
| djszapi | that is a negative point as well :) | 14:01 |
| Venemo | in any case, I don't see too much future for GNOME-based technology. be it glade or gtk or whatever | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | Last time i tried the qml designer it sucked | 14:01 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, yep, I've never bothered to try it :P | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | I see it almost dead | 14:01 |
| djszapi | well, it would be nice to see more integration into kdevelop than qtcreator | 14:02 |
| djszapi | let it either madde, or qml designer. | 14:02 |
| Venemo | they should merge those two apps | 14:02 |
| djszapi | Venemo: we tried to tell it to them many times | 14:02 |
| djszapi | they are hilariously stubborn about qtcreator | 14:02 |
| djszapi | code sharing is clearly not their vision just copy pasting forth and back. | 14:03 |
| Venemo | Qt Creator is awesome | 14:03 |
| djszapi | they "stole" the C++ parser. | 14:03 |
| djszapi | and do not share many things, so it is almost a nightmare to cooperate with them | 14:03 |
| Venemo | in fact, Qt Creator is the ONLY C/C++ IDE that I can endure working with (besides Visual Studio) | 14:03 |
| djszapi | I dislike their vision because of this closed mentality. | 14:04 |
| Venemo | I tried Anjuta and KDevelop and CodeBlocks, but couldn't endure more than 5 minutes with either of them. | 14:05 |
| djszapi | they will probably steal the cmake implementation as well at some point | 14:05 |
| Venemo | there is no such thing as "stealing" in the free software world | 14:05 |
| djszapi | imho, design qtcreator should have happened completely differently from the beginning | 14:05 |
| djszapi | they should have either established a library for developing IDEs. | 14:06 |
| Venemo | I, myself, also "stole" some code from Konversation. its authors were more than happy to share their code. :) | 14:06 |
| djszapi | and since the kdevelop guys had a lot of knowledge about this. That would have been the bare minimum | 14:06 |
| djszapi | and sadly, my friend tried it from the kdevelop project to talk to them, but they were completely stubborn about this cooperation. | 14:06 |
| Venemo | that's sad. | 14:07 |
| djszapi | imho, the qtcreator development is based on wrong decision from the beginning. | 14:07 |
| djszapi | sadly, they did not refactor it completely for the second major version either... | 14:08 |
| Venemo | dat's because the second "major" version was just a marketing decision. | 14:08 |
| djszapi | I know the reasons. Completely insane. | 14:09 |
| Venemo | well anyway, it's software that worksforme. so I use it. :) | 14:09 |
| djszapi | ahh discussing qtcreator is such a sad matter to me ... | 14:09 |
| Venemo | :( | 14:10 |
| Venemo | djszapi, once my sbox installation is complete, are you interested in trying a prerelease package of the new irc-chatter? | 14:13 |
| djszapi | yes, but unsure when I can find the time for that. | 14:14 |
| Venemo | well, just install it and use it whenever you're on your N9 :P if it crashes or does something weird, just tell me about it | 14:14 |
| djszapi | okie dokie | 14:16 |
| djszapi | mmm....libsndfile cannot really use libvorbisidec...that is not nice. | 14:28 |
| djszapi | I wonder if it is just a harmattan packager mistake, or libsndfile software limitation. | 14:28 |
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| djszapi | MohammadAG: so what regression does the playlist have in MAFW ? | 14:34 |
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| djszapi | faenil: o/ | 14:46 |
| faenil | lo :) | 14:47 |
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| MohammadAG | djszapi: UX, not mafw | 15:00 |
| djszapi | what is the precise regression ? | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | You cant make playlists | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | Theres no now playing playlist | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | The latter is the same on iOs but you can create and edit playlists | 15:02 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, ping | 15:11 |
| faenil | anyone who can help with a gl context matter? | 15:17 |
| faenil | (I have already asked on qt-3d) | 15:17 |
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| djszapi | faenil: #opengl | 15:19 |
| faenil | but it's more of a Qt thing...I think QDeclarativeItem somehow disables my context, or smthg like that | 15:20 |
| faenil | anyway, I'll try there too... | 15:20 |
| faenil | :) | 15:20 |
| djszapi | then #qt | 15:20 |
| faenil | right, I'll try in both ;) | 15:20 |
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| neal | radiofree: I've done some reading about contextkit and it sounds like what I want. I see that it is accessible via dbus, however, the root object doesn't announce any children nodes. Do you know how to figure out what objects it provides? | 17:39 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | jesus | 17:51 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | fennec 11 completely OBLITERATES my battery on my N9 | 17:51 |
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| M4rtinK | anyone using PySide Assistant to build packages ? :) | 18:39 |
| thp | M4rtinK: got a question about it? | 18:47 |
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| M4rtinK | thp: does it handle changelogs in some way ? | 18:52 |
| M4rtinK | I've been using py2deb previously and there was an options for inputting the changelog message directly to the build script | 18:53 |
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| M4rtinK | *option | 18:55 |
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| M4rtinK | so does PySide Assistant also handle changelogs somehow or do I need to use some of the underlying tools ? | 18:59 |
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| thp | M4rtinK: i'm not sure about the changelog | 19:02 |
| thp | M4rtinK: but apparently stdeb can't yet handle custom changelogs, so it might not be possible | 19:03 |
| thp | M4rtinK: what you can do, however, is just create a debian source package, extract it (dpkg-source -x <filename>.dsc) and then modify debian/changelog and "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b" it to create the binary package w/ your custom changelog | 19:04 |
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| M4rtinK | thp: Thanks ! :) I'm using a custom package creation script anyway (it clones the sources from git, runs PySide Assistant a then it should update the package in OBS) so a few extra steps should not be a problem :) | 19:12 |
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| bemasc | Does anyone know how to make "Applications > SDK Connectivity" appear in PR1.1b2 on an N950? | 19:26 |
| bemasc | I have developer mode enabled, I'm in SDK mode ... but "SDK Connectivity" is not listed under "Applications" | 19:26 |
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| npm | "127.0.0.1 - - [04/Dec/2011 09:27:07] "GET /20110803_007.mp4 HTTP/1.1" 200 21190117 18.255" | 19:28 |
| npm | experiment was a success :-) | 19:28 |
| bemasc | oh ... I guess it's just on the main screen now | 19:29 |
| npm | so if a Qt app pops open a webserver socket at a random port like 4567, apparently it can be read off one's workstation as a webpage (after installing my app): "192.168.0.10 - - [04/Dec/2011 09:28:11] "GET /20110803_007.mp4 HTTP/1.1" 200 21190117 19.777" | 19:31 |
| npm | would not running in developer mode add some kind of firewall that would prevent my access to http://n950:4567/20110803_007.mp4 from my local network? | 19:32 |
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| npm | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=36395#post36395 for details | 19:39 |
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| djszapi | Venemo_N950: hi, sorry but no time for testing. | 20:08 |
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| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, no problem | 20:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: ping | 20:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: i got qtcreator from site and in design it doesn't render everything properly | 20:41 |
| Venemo_N950 | ZogG_laptop, what is "in design"? | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | so damn F#$% nokia, why wouldn't they do proper packages to install separetly on any system | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | desinging tool | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | it doesn't show things properly | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | lemme show you | 20:42 |
| Venemo_N950 | you mean the qml designer? | 20:44 |
| Venemo_N950 | I've never tried it | 20:44 |
| Venemo_N950 | but... ZogG_laptop, I have good news for you :) | 20:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: icr-chatter in apps.formeego.org? | 20:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | zogg@localhost ~ $ n9imgur 2011-12-04-224512_1600x900_scrot.png | 20:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://i.imgur.com/xq5Yk.png | 20:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | ZogG_laptop, no, but check your tweets | 20:46 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: you check yours!!!! =P | 20:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: but i need designer as i'm stuck with gui | 20:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: i started small project and it's not that hard, but i don't know how to get basic UI for it | 20:53 |
| djszapi | designers are for weaks :P | 20:53 |
| * djszapi hides | 20:53 | |
| * ZogG_laptop takes out djszapi and pees on him | 20:53 | |
| ZogG_laptop | feel warmer? =) | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | peeing on people isn't cool, unless it's consentual | 20:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: hey, it's winter. i'm helping poor guy | 20:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | gonna bug wazd over jabber =) | 20:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | to teach me dzen of design | 20:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think battery life got worse in pr1.1 comparing to pr1.0 | 20:57 |
| bemasc | can anyone point me to an explanation of how dependency management is handled with the Nokia App store and Qt SDK? | 20:59 |
| bemasc | If I have some debs that I need to depend on, how can I make sure that they get bundled into my SDK project/App? | 21:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | is there any option to add item to top popup menu? | 21:00 |
| djszapi | bemasc: http://community.kde.org/KDE_Mobile/Harmattan#Packaging_your_KDE_Mobile_application_with_shared_libraries | 21:00 |
| djszapi | this is one way. | 21:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: it's funny but it doesn't giive me to download file, wrong type it says. but it's fine, i'll try to wget it as soon as i'll charge phone | 21:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: you got it was just not funny joke and not trying to insult you right? | 21:02 |
| Venemo_N950 | ZogG_laptop, download on your laptop, copy to phone | 21:03 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: alright, still after charging. waiting for my friend to come over so i don't need to get out of sofa(it's cold and i'm under blanket | 21:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | so he would bring cabel =P | 21:07 |
| djszapi | faenil: o/ | 21:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | found fake n9 | 21:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | looks almost like real one | 21:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://callmelocalhost.com/images/2011-09/350493746.png - here | 21:08 |
| djszapi | I wonder who does not know this link yet | 21:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | =( | 21:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: eople without internet? | 21:09 |
| BluesLee | is there a working qmlviewer package for harmattan? | 21:09 |
| faenil | lo djszapi :) | 21:09 |
| djszapi | BluesLee: yes, I made one | 21:09 |
| RST38h | ZogG: enjoying your fake N9? | 21:10 |
| BluesLee | djszapi: i found one here but it has different dependencies harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/q/qt4-x11/ | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows what the story about AppsForMeego AppManager is? | 21:11 |
| BluesLee | djszapi: where i can find your deb? | 21:11 |
| RST38h | It now installs TWO icons into the menu, one of them is a huge download icon that does not work | 21:11 |
| BluesLee | djszapi: can you share it? | 21:11 |
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| djszapi | Venemo_N950: your irc-chatter application does not work me at all. "Connecting, please wait" 3.5G here, and working internet connection | 21:12 |
| djszapi | I am using joikuspot for getting internet to my laptop, but it should not be a harm :) | 21:13 |
| djszapi | BluesLee: interesting, I forgot to share it to the community repository when I did it half a year ago | 21:14 |
| djszapi | but I would not share it anyway | 21:14 |
| djszapi | since I helped with that qmlviewer packaging available in the "official" repository, so just use that one | 21:15 |
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| djszapi | it would be deleted from the community repository to not duplicate packages, after all | 21:15 |
| BluesLee | djszapi: "official" repo? i did a "apt-cache search qmlviewer" but i found nothing | 21:16 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/q/qt4-x11/qt4-declarative-qmlviewer_4.7.4~git20110517-0maemo12+0m6_armel.deb | 21:16 |
| BluesLee | djszapi: that is the same package i mentioned above | 21:17 |
| djszapi | yes, you should use that. | 21:17 |
| djszapi | if buggy, open up a report. | 21:17 |
| djszapi | we will not duplicate the efforts. | 21:17 |
| BluesLee | thatsclear | 21:17 |
| djszapi | I do not see why it would be buggy though. | 21:18 |
| BluesLee | not really buggy, the package depends on some older ones, apt-get refuses to remove other apps whe installing the above package | 21:19 |
| djszapi | 21:16 < BluesLee> djszapi: "official" repo? i did a "apt-cache search qmlviewer" but i found nothing -> I recommend adding the Nokia repository to your source list. | 21:19 |
| djszapi | (as the landing page says) | 21:19 |
| djszapi | echo 'deb http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ./' >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/nicks.list | 21:20 |
| BluesLee | djszapi: okay, official=official dev | 21:23 |
| djszapi | hard to say anything without seeing the error output. | 21:23 |
| djszapi | no, official as in official public SDK | 21:23 |
| djszapi | there are things there that a user could install for user usage without any developments, but anyway, playing with names is not the point here. | 21:24 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: still at that phase :/ | 21:28 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: I cannot connect to any channels on freenode at least. | 21:29 |
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| M4rtinK | I'm confused - what's the icon size for Harmattan ? | 21:37 |
| M4rtinK | In N9 Icon guide, its 64*64 | 21:37 |
| M4rtinK | javispedros icon generator outputs 80*80 | 21:38 |
| djszapi | 80x80 | 21:38 |
| djszapi | be fine with javispedro's icon generator what I mean :) | 21:38 |
| M4rtinK | and apps formeego client has a 80*80 icon in the 64*64 folder :) | 21:38 |
| djszapi | uh that is nasty... | 21:38 |
| M4rtinK | but IMHO the base64 encoded icon should be 64*64 ? | 21:39 |
| rcg | M4rtinK: its 80x80.. the base64 one is 64x64 | 21:39 |
| M4rtinK | ok :) | 21:39 |
| djszapi | 80x80 is really okay.. | 21:39 |
| M4rtinK | btw, PySide Assitant is broken - the default path for the main icon points to the 64x64 folder | 21:40 |
| M4rtinK | *Assistant | 21:40 |
| Ans5i | i've been wondering how badly it would break if the icon would be bigger | 21:41 |
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| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, hmmm? | 21:54 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: n-o-t w-o-r-k-i-n-g :) | 21:55 |
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| BluesLee | djszapi: just a stupid questions concerning the repos, i was talking of harmattan on the n9 not n950 but this should make no real difference or? | 21:56 |
| djszapi | no. they even use the same kernel. | 21:56 |
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| djszapi | but on userspace side, should be no difference. | 21:56 |
| BluesLee | djszapi: i guess that some apps like the qmlviewer are easier to use on an n950 because of the available stylus and the screen difference | 21:58 |
| djszapi | available stylus ? | 21:58 |
| BluesLee | okay, that means there is no n950 stylus:-) | 21:58 |
| djszapi | I have never seen | 21:59 |
| djszapi | and I tried the N900 stylus one and half a years ago without success | 22:00 |
| djszapi | for obvious reasons though | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | I have heard sausages can be used as a stylus on capacitive screens :) | 22:01 |
| djszapi | open source, community sausage ? | 22:02 |
| BluesLee | damn, i was completely wrong | 22:02 |
| kimju | there are several capacitive ts compatible aftermarket styluses available. | 22:06 |
| djszapi | I would probably never use those though | 22:07 |
| kimju | and latest fashion statement seems to be gloves with capacitive compatible finger tips :) | 22:08 |
| djszapi | hehe | 22:09 |
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| dm8tbr | yeah, verkkokauppa has them on sale I hear... | 22:11 |
| jonni | there is stylus for n950&n9, same stylys that works on ipad2, works also on harmattan | 22:12 |
| jonni | dealextreme has ipad stylyses starting from 1e | 22:12 |
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| M4rtinK | kimju: I have such gloves - quite handy in the winter :) | 22:28 |
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| sledges | hello | 23:16 |
| sledges | got this buggy N9, would like to make a full backup, reflash and compare what was different to find the culprit (PR1.1, Facebook crashing after one-off download news feed since 2days ago, web browser crashing occasionaly, always when browse maps.google.com) | 23:18 |
| sledges | what could you best suggest for a full dd backup? tarring over nfs could go best? | 23:20 |
| dm8tbr | use the backup tool included | 23:22 |
| sledges | it just backed-up 32MB worth of data, i suspect whole / being flashed wrong somewhere.. or buggy hardware (:() | 23:23 |
| dm8tbr | yes that's all your settings etc | 23:24 |
| dm8tbr | now backup the contents of mass storage and you're good | 23:24 |
| dm8tbr | the only thing you have to do manually afterwards is installing nokia store apps | 23:25 |
| Ans5i | sledges: better to test without apps first | 23:25 |
| sledges | just left terminal on tail -f /var/log/syslog and it crashed when i came back :) | 23:26 |
| sledges | in the sense, it did not see among opened programs anymore, isn't it persistent? | 23:27 |
| sledges | (opened programs i refer to where its written "nothing opened yet") | 23:28 |
| sledges | yup, it's not persistent.. | 23:28 |
| dm8tbr | depends if you swipe it away | 23:29 |
| dm8tbr | if so, in which direction do you swipe? | 23:29 |
| sledges | dm8tbr: across (when holding portrait) | 23:30 |
| sledges | ok, found the facebook error: guys help me :) | 23:30 |
| sledges | Facebook[2242]: Warning-X Error: Bad Damage | 23:31 |
| frals | thats not what making it crash | 23:31 |
| sledges | (invalid Damage parameter) 153 Extension: 146 Minor opcode: 2 (Unknown request) Resource id 0x29 | 23:31 |
| Ans5i | xdamage seems culprit | 23:31 |
| frals | can you pastebin a full syslog when its crashing? | 23:32 |
| sledges | and before and after i get signond QDbus* problems | 23:32 |
| sledges | ok, I'll try to pastebin it | 23:32 |
| dm8tbr | hint '>/home/user/Mydocs/foo.txt' | 23:32 |
| sledges | dm8tbr: thanks for the hint, I love riddles :) | 23:34 |
| dm8tbr | tail -f syslog >... | 23:35 |
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| sledges | frals, dm8tbr, Ans5i: http://pastebin.com/0kNipeNV | 23:43 |
| dm8tbr | looks like account storage went south? | 23:45 |
| sledges | :{ all my experience with FB was to log-in, get the news feed and i never could return there without a crash. I click on FB app in the home screen, blank window appears with FB logo on top, starts loading, shows the news feed text for 1ms and then quits (crashes) | 23:47 |
| sledges | likewise Refresh on the dashboard or attempts to share things via Facebook would similarly fail | 23:47 |
| sledges | ok, so shall I re-add the account ? | 23:47 |
| dm8tbr | you can try that | 23:49 |
| dm8tbr | although a reflash might be necessary | 23:49 |
| sledges | well, we could reflash and forget about it, if it works ;) but me being scrupulous would go for the backup-and-meld thereafter :) | 23:50 |
| dm8tbr | restoring data from backup may or may not work, trying out will show | 23:50 |
| sledges | but i backuped just now, so t might just do the borking on top of it | 23:51 |
| Ans5i | yep | 23:51 |
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| dm8tbr | btw: don't forget to move the backup off the device it's in .backups as seen over usb | 23:51 |
| sledges | yup, ta! | 23:52 |
| sledges | here's the plan: now i'll re-add the fb account, see if it works. if not, then will do factory reset, and retest again. ultimate test will be to reflash.. | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dm8tbr: would it be possible to restore a paegified file to same inode and all? I guess no way | 23:54 |
| Ans5i | facebook might be not be a actual culprit, looks more like signond stuff. reflashing/resetting hopefully helps | 23:54 |
| sledges | pity I can't reproduce google maps web crash, it just gets irresponsive for the maps part of the page, when i view the full version (prolly to much JS chewy for N9..) | 23:54 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer51: what's the 'p' stand for? | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Policy | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, maybe we could build an app to restore and rehash all those files | 23:56 |
| sledges | BTW: after I enabled Developer Mode, it every N minutes asks me to "Sign in to" and username and password - is it to the Nokia Devs accounts? :) as ti does not say where to sign in | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or a daemon that constantly updates hashes | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so a safe revert to secure mode from open mode was possible | 23:57 |
| dm8tbr | sledges: that's a sure sign of b0rked aegisfs | 23:57 |
| * dm8tbr has this too on his device | 23:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | otoh what's protecting the refhashlist? | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I gather an empty list would mean "no files hashchecked. No MALF" | 23:58 |
| sledges | dm8tbr: greatiness, thanks! Ok then, last question before I sign-off to delve into reflashing: is there a low-level access to reflashing facilites from Linux? I got daily experience in U-Boot and UART flashing, NAND erase and write etc, so would be nice to have all in control even with N9. | 23:59 |
| sledges | s/UART/via UART/ | 23:59 |
| dm8tbr | it's called 'flasher' | 23:59 |
| dm8tbr | works over usb | 23:59 |
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