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| deram | Ans5i: do you know, would it be totally impossible to modify current theme to have correct date shown as calendar icon? | 00:17 |
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| deram | simplest way could be to change the icon daily, but would the main menu reload icon any way, and would that cause MALF... | 00:19 |
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| arcean | deram: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVl6wc1G_rE | 00:21 |
| arcean | and http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4925 | 00:21 |
| lardman|home | night all | 00:25 |
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| apelete | hello #harmattan | 00:26 |
| deram | arcean: nice, though, it depends on root passwd... if only the calendar desktopfile could be changed user writable... | 00:28 |
| apelete | does anyone known if/how it is possible to have MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan Plateform SDK documentation offline ? | 00:28 |
| apelete | I'm talking about this: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/ | 00:29 |
| apelete | I'm thinking of wget-ing the whole website to have it offline (I'm going on a trip, and would like to have it with me so I can read it during the travel) | 00:30 |
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| apelete | is there a better way I don't know about to have that doc offline ? | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | It *should* be available as a huge archive/pdf/whatever somewhere | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | **somewhere** | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | wget sounds just fine to me | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | if the friggin js works | 01:27 |
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| djszapi | Sput ping | 04:18 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:52 |
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| dm8tbr | moaning | 07:33 |
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| * DocScrutinizer moans a bit too | 08:19 | |
| * dm8tbr never thought he'd need to loan an android device to work on stuff for harmattan... | 08:25 | |
| dm8tbr | specifically an android phone, as I own android tablets. | 08:25 |
| psycho_oreos | loan from nokia? | 08:26 |
| dm8tbr | nah, we have some android phones internally at my company | 08:27 |
| dm8tbr | I need to figure out the liveview protcol a bit better | 08:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/21/nokia-n9-software-update-v1-1-rolls-out/ | 09:16 |
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| mece | are sdl libs for harmattan in official repos? | 10:05 |
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| matrixx | dm8tbr: apparently now the other theme is also in staging, it just took two days to get there :] | 10:33 |
| matrixx | *uhm, not in staging but visible in the UI | 10:34 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 10:34 |
| * dm8tbr really needs to look into how to do community qa | 10:34 | |
| dm8tbr | we need to be superawesome at this | 10:35 |
| matrixx | hey, also themechanger download works now! | 10:36 |
| matrixx | now everything works as they should, someone has been busy :) | 10:36 |
| matrixx | dm8tbr: it's really simple, you just install the package you wanna test with your device, then answer a few simple questions about the app | 10:37 |
| matrixx | all automized | 10:37 |
| matrixx | I'm also going to try out a few apps tonight, there's already some waiting in the QA :) | 10:38 |
| dm8tbr | cool beans | 10:41 |
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| mece | X-Fade, hey, to enable testing repo in the afm client, can I simply add the correct line to /etc/apts/souces.list.d/appsformeego.list ? and what would that line be? | 11:31 |
| mece | X-Fade, nevermind found the testing enabler app :) | 11:34 |
| mece | I absolutely love the whole afm thing. Love it! I've got to get working on qlister2 and tweed suit to get those apps in there. | 11:39 |
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| RzR-volatile | hi | 11:57 |
| RzR-volatile | are you using cmake along harmattan ? | 11:57 |
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| mece | hello, I seem to be having an import problem with this app. | 13:24 |
| mece | invoker died on launch, and I googled and found this: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Single_Instance_Harmattan_Applications | 13:24 |
| mece | but qtcreator says Q_DECL_EXPORT bit doesn't exist. I only include <QtGui/QApplication> and <QtDeclarative>. What else do I need to get that working? | 13:25 |
| mece | eh nevermind it worked anyway. | 13:28 |
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| RzR-volatile | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/22/0015223/are-there-any-smartphones-that-respect-privacy?utm_source=feedburnerMy+Yahoo&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo | 14:06 |
| Ans5i | n9? | 14:07 |
| flux | even n9 requires you to sign up to nokia. it doesn't keep track after that, though (?) | 14:07 |
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| RzR-volatile | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2537718&cid=38131534 | 14:08 |
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| Ans5i | flux: sign up is optional | 14:09 |
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| flux | ans5i, ok. how about if you want to use maps? but I guess that's different, you're already using a service and there might be other maps one could use.. | 14:09 |
| Ans5i | flux: dunno, iirc some maps might be preinstalled | 14:11 |
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| RzR-volatile | flux: i think i was able to use maps without signin | 14:15 |
| RzR-volatile | on n950 1st fz | 14:16 |
| RzR-volatile | fw | 14:16 |
| flux | developer devices might be different.. did the ovi side even work at that point?-) | 14:16 |
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| Jare_ | is the name of the current network connection inside some variable or where could i find it? | 14:55 |
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| Jare_ | i mean the internet ap name, which i could use in my script | 14:56 |
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| pawky | Is there anyone here who works for Nokia and who might be able to see what happens to my N9 thats sent in for replacement? | 14:57 |
| pawky | (I know this is a long shot...) | 14:59 |
| macmaN | sup Jare_ | 15:01 |
| macmaN | Jare_: i saw your success message last night | 15:02 |
| macmaN | Jare_: what was the up/down script solution and what are you working on now? | 15:04 |
| Jare_ | actually it's nearly finished, but i thought that adding an option to choose the homenetwork would be nice | 15:07 |
| Tronic | pawky: I know someone but won't be able to see what happens to your device. | 15:07 |
| Tronic | pawky: If you can tell about the fault, I can probably find out how whether the replace it with a new device or not. | 15:08 |
| Jare_ | currently it calculates subnets and determines if the local subnet and remote vpn subnet have a conflict with each other | 15:08 |
| Jare_ | and based on that information it doesn't start openvpn | 15:08 |
| Tronic | flux: Ovi login worked in w22 (original) firmware already. | 15:09 |
| Arkenoi | there is "nokia account" but no ovi share option anywhere | 15:13 |
| pawky | Tronic: This channel recommended me to send it in for replacement, which I did. The unit simply rebooted itself after 10-20 keypresses. Looking into the log files, i suspect it might have been some issue with either memory or the i2c chip. The unit is now in Hungary, and I am just wondering how long it will take for them to realise to simply send a new one. | 15:16 |
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| pawky | Tronic: I tried to call Nokia, and the service place i left it to, but neither can give me an answer what actually happens in Hungary and I miss my cool phone :'( | 15:17 |
| Sazpaimon_ | how do I update my scratchbox SDK to PR1.1? | 15:17 |
| Sazpaimon_ | do I just do a dist-upgrade? | 15:17 |
| Tronic | pawky: Can't help much with that but Nokia is known to be notoriously slow with that (3 weeks or more). | 15:18 |
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| macmaN | Jare_: are you able to shoot UI notifications from bash scripts? | 15:18 |
| Tronic | I would appreciate it if they simply gave replacements from the repair shops without having to wait. | 15:19 |
| pawky | Tronic: a bit to long I think for a unit thats faulty from start... :-( | 15:19 |
| Jare_ | macmaN: don't know, haven't gone that far yet | 15:19 |
| pawky | Tronic: yes, when it comes to replace it, things could be a bit faster... | 15:19 |
| pawky | Tronic: It's a bit to long chain in my oppinion Owner ->Shop -> service station -> Nokia Service station -> service station -> shop -> unhapy owner | 15:21 |
| Tronic | Plenty of retailers have DOA instant replacement policy and a few also offer instant replacement during the warranty period (for PC hardware at least). I prefer to buy my gadgets from such retailers even if it costs more. | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | pawky: If you're in europe - distance selling act. | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | (well, and if you bought at a distance) | 15:27 |
| Hq` | I've been able to get a Nokia device replaced in a few hours (during which they inspected it) when I took it directly to a nearby service center | 15:27 |
| Hq` | that was a few years ago, though | 15:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Simply return it, not get a replacement, and buy new. | 15:28 |
| pawky | SpeedEvil:good thought, but nope.. | 15:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | And too late, anyway. | 15:28 |
| pawky | SpeedEvil: :-) | 15:28 |
| pawky | I believe I just have to tinker along with my N900 meanwhile... | 15:29 |
| snowpong | when running valgrind from Qt Creator (remote) anyone else seen "unable to connect to X" ? | 15:31 |
| faenil | any way to read antenna signal from terminal or stuff like that? | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | faenil: What do you mean by antenna signal? | 15:32 |
| snowpong | this is when running it on the N9 btw .. work fine when running from command line | 15:32 |
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| faenil | SpeedEvil: my aim is to see if I get more signal by removing the backplate of the n950 | 15:37 |
| faenil | and comparing it to n9 | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 15:38 |
| faenil | but without using the UI, which is not accurate | 15:38 |
| dm8tbr | faenil: both ends of the back-plate look like standard plastic, so there is most likely no gain | 15:39 |
| dm8tbr | faenil: what you'd need would be field-test software ;) | 15:40 |
| faenil | dm8tbr: still, n950 is unusable here, while N9, N8 are perfectly working | 15:40 |
| faenil | dm8tbr: isn't there anything like that for n9/n950? how does it get the signal strenght it shows in the UI? | 15:41 |
| dm8tbr | oh, I'm sure there is, but I'm also sure it won't work without RDC ;) | 15:41 |
| dm8tbr | or at least some magic incantations, but for that you'd need to get your hands on such and that's most likely never going to happen | 15:42 |
| faenil | what's RDC | 15:42 |
| faenil | oh ok, different word for it here | 15:43 |
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| faenil | what's the problem in getting the value the UI uses? | 15:43 |
| dm8tbr | that should be possible to get | 15:44 |
| dm8tbr | somehow | 15:44 |
| faenil | and that should be enough, shouldn't it :) that's what I want to do... | 15:44 |
| faenil | and I'm looking for more info on how to get that value :D | 15:45 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | okay do dist-upgrade didnt help, all my packages are PR1.0 in scratchbox | 15:46 |
| Sazpaimon_ | can anyone tell me how to upgrade my SDK to PR1.1? | 15:47 |
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| mece | Sazpaimon_, perhaps you need to reinstall the rootstrap? | 15:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | seriously? | 15:53 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | there's no way to do a standard upgrade? | 15:53 |
| mece | Sazpaimon_, I'm installing from scratch as we speak but am stuck at "sb-conf: No such compiler: cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7" | 15:54 |
| mece | Sazpaimon_, so I have no idea. It was just a guess, since there is a separate rootstrap for beta3 (which I guess is pr1.1) | 15:55 |
| dm8tbr | is b3 out yet? | 15:55 |
| dm8tbr | err disregard | 15:55 |
| * dm8tbr read pr1.2 ;) | 15:55 | |
| mece | :) | 15:56 |
| Sazpaimon_ | guess Ill just untar it over my beta2 rootstrap | 15:56 |
| mece | Sazpaimon_, try it :) | 15:56 |
| mece | anyone have an idea why scatchbox is giving me "sb-conf: No such compiler: cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7"? The package scratchbox-toolchain-cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7 installed fine.. | 15:58 |
| Sazpaimon_ | does the compiler exist in /scratchbox/compilers? | 15:58 |
| Sazpaimon_ | if not, try to reinstall it | 15:59 |
| mece | hmm i think the name might have changed. | 15:59 |
| mece | there's it's called cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7-hard, not cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7 | 15:59 |
| mece | Sazpaimon_, thanks :) | 15:59 |
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| mece | gaah that stupid fokking tablets-dev restricted downloads site neither works with lynx nor elinks.... | 16:06 |
| mece | GAH! | 16:06 |
| mece | any suggestions on how to download from command prompt | 16:06 |
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| lardman|lab | wget? | 16:22 |
| lardman|lab | apt-get install wget first of all mind you | 16:22 |
| lardman|lab | Anyone know of a working image -> text recognition program/library for either Fremantle or Harmattan? | 16:23 |
| mece | lardman|lab, but it requires a cookie set when you accept the agreement. | 16:25 |
| lardman|lab | dunno, sorry mece | 16:28 |
| mece | lardman|lab, I guess I'll just have to do it from home | 16:29 |
| dm8tbr | mece: curl can do cookies IIRC, but I thought links can do too | 16:31 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | mece, elinks | 16:38 |
| rm_work | dm8tbr: hey, so could you comment on the battery life again? | 16:40 |
| rm_work | EVERY review I've found indicates they have HORRIBLE battery life | 16:40 |
| dm8tbr | rm_work: ask me again once I use it actively | 16:41 |
| rm_work | ah k | 16:41 |
| dm8tbr | I expect to get a day of battery life out of it | 16:41 |
| qronic | Are these bugs could be used on N9? http://jon.oberheide.org/files/levitator.c | 16:41 |
| rm_work | I recommend you use it actively before the sale ends on the end of the month :P | 16:42 |
| qronic | I mean to disable aegi | 16:42 |
| mece | Sazpaimon_, i tried elinks. Didn't work :/ | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | Third N950 shipped | 16:43 |
| mece | MohammadAG, somebody's collecting them somewhere... | 16:43 |
| macmaN | MohammadAG: :) what? you mean you gave up on the replacement? | 16:43 |
| macmaN | MohammadAG: have you considered emigrating yet? | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | macmaN: Nokia's claiming it back and sending me another one | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | mece: lol | 16:44 |
| macmaN | for example finland is only 80km from estonia, you would have to option to go bearwrestle nokia people if they dont behave | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | I pay frals to do that :p | 16:44 |
| macmaN | mkay | 16:44 |
| macmaN | its nice to be rich | 16:45 |
| macmaN | :> | 16:45 |
| Sazpaimon_ | mece, if it keeps reloading the EULA when you accept | 16:46 |
| Sazpaimon_ | just CTRL+R the page when you do | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | macmaN: $0.1 a month | 16:46 |
| Sazpaimon_ | elinks caches the EULA page and you're actually POSTing to the same URL you're at | 16:46 |
| mece | Sazpaimon_, ok, thanks | 16:52 |
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| HtheB | hi | 17:02 |
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| dm8tbr | rm_work: I'm actually going to borrow a android phone to look a bit closer at intended behaviour etc. so yes. I'll hopefully have some numbers at the end of the week | 17:05 |
| luke-jr | Is the N9 actually end-user friendly? | 17:10 |
| HtheB | yes | 17:11 |
| HtheB | very friendly | 17:11 |
| HtheB | although that is the reason why a lot of features are missing | 17:11 |
| HtheB | like selecting text in browser (to copy and paste) | 17:11 |
| HtheB | to have a mouse cursor (like we had on the N900) | 17:12 |
| mece | are there the sources somewhere on http://repo.apps.formeego.org ? | 17:13 |
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| unreal- | what do you guys make of this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80269 ? | 17:19 |
| unreal- | FUD? | 17:19 |
| Jare_ | ummh, i should call nokia then :I | 17:22 |
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| HtheB | well... | 17:22 |
| HtheB | there was an issue with the screens | 17:22 |
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| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80149 | 17:23 |
| HtheB | that one | 17:23 |
| luke-jr | HtheB: but things actually *work* sanely? :P | 17:23 |
| HtheB | sanely as in? | 17:23 |
| luke-jr | not like the N900, where everything was half-baked and broken | 17:23 |
| Jare_ | no problems in my 64GB N9 though, but i bought it from a private person so i don't think Nokia will contact me personally in case of a recall :P | 17:23 |
| HtheB | luke-jr: no, it's great at the moment for the endusers | 17:24 |
| HtheB | Jare_: I think when you first start up the phone, your phone will sent a sms to Nokia | 17:24 |
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| HtheB | so they HAVE your number :p | 17:25 |
| luke-jr | can't be bypassed on N9? | 17:25 |
| HtheB | dont think so | 17:25 |
| Jare_ | i wouldn't be surprised about that and anyway they know my Nokia Account too... | 17:26 |
| HtheB | didnt try it out though | 17:26 |
| HtheB | Jare_: lol | 17:26 |
| HtheB | I have 1 problem with Harmattan ..... | 17:26 |
| Jare_ | i'm still searching for a simple command line tool to send api messages to the gui. Isn't there any? | 17:27 |
| HtheB | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5202 | 17:27 |
| HtheB | this problem | 17:27 |
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| jonni | Jare_: define api messages? | 17:31 |
| Jare_ | just a simple status message for the user, which would show up for example in the status bar | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | Ah | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | That may be easy to do | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | Do you want it to be persistent? | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | Like show up in the events view | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | Or just show up for some time and disappear automatically | 17:33 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: keyfe hal? | 17:34 |
| Jare_ | MohammadAG: just show up and disappear, it's a status message about openvpn service | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | Heh, good :p | 17:35 |
| HtheB | hamdl. | 17:35 |
| jonni | Jare_: dbus-send can be used for all dbus based api's | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | Jare_: You familiar with C++ | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | MBanner isn't dubs | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | Dbus based | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | MNotification is | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | But that's persistent | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | Anyway you can make your own command line tool | 17:36 |
| Jare_ | kinda, i've coded c mainly, but anyway i'm a bit surprised if theres no such thing done yet | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | You need a simple Qt binary to do this | 17:38 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: is it possible to change the behaviour of the volume buttons? | 17:38 |
| HtheB | regarding this: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5202 | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | The 4 lines of code you'll need https://gitorious.org/qtbook/sociality-mtf/blobs/master/checkinpage.cpp#line88 Jare_ | 17:40 |
| matrixx | Jare_: MohammadAG: there's this: http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch/trees/master/tools/mnotificationtool | 17:40 |
| matrixx | though not sure if it creates only persistent ones | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB: No idea, dont have a device and didnt check when I had it | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | Lemme check | 17:40 |
| HtheB | thnx! | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | Apparently no it can't | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | It doesn't even include mbanner | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB: Just a hint, afaik it's the status menu capturing the keys | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | And afaik that's open source, so you can check if it's possible to hook onto them | 17:43 |
| HtheB | donno where to look at (that is the prob) | 17:44 |
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| HtheB | sometimes things are easy to change (like changing the sensitivity settings) | 17:45 |
| HtheB | but only when you know where the thing is located at | 17:45 |
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| MohammadAG | Hmm, the volume applets are closed | 17:46 |
| HtheB | :/ | 17:47 |
| HtheB | So we can't do anything about this problem at all? :( | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | I can't know till I have a device | 17:54 |
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| HtheB | MohammadAG: How come you dont have one? :O | 17:57 |
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| MohammadAG | I sent mine back to be replaced | 17:57 |
| HtheB | ah | 17:57 |
| HtheB | that explains | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | Replacement is | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | ~Israel-sucks | 17:57 |
| infobot | somebody said israel-sucks was http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A | 17:57 |
| HtheB | lol | 17:57 |
| HtheB | :/ | 17:58 |
| HtheB | whatthe!? | 17:58 |
| HtheB | what the hell is a clearence delay !? | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | Customs | 17:58 |
| HtheB | Clearance delay* | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | And sec | 17:59 |
| HtheB | why so long!? | 17:59 |
| HtheB | =_= | 17:59 |
| HtheB | it's over a month now! | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | Got this email from them http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=RT7Hrdkt | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | That's like a week ago | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | I replied and told them to send the device back | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | So I told Nokia to claim it back | 18:01 |
| HtheB | no reply back whatsoever? | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | So they shipped me another device while they get this one back | 18:02 |
| HtheB | ah | 18:02 |
| HtheB | 950? | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | Shipment picked up just now | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah | 18:02 |
| HtheB | nice | 18:02 |
| HtheB | wish I had a n950 | 18:02 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you got one finally? | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | No | 18:04 |
| hiemanshu | ah picked up from nokia now | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu: Take 2 http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=5314966720%0D%0A | 18:04 |
| HtheB | heh :D | 18:08 |
| HtheB | coincidense? | 18:08 |
| HtheB | it's been picked up just a few minutes ago | 18:08 |
| dm8tbr | Hq`: small bug if yyou change fontsze that gets saved over app restat and breaks e.g. irssi rendering | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB: They just sent it | 18:10 |
| HtheB | :D | 18:10 |
| HtheB | I'm happy for you! | 18:10 |
| HtheB | Why don't they hire you? | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | Why would they | 18:11 |
| HtheB | well... | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | I caused headaches for them :p | 18:11 |
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| HtheB | You're a boss :D | 18:11 |
| HtheB | MAG for president! | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | I hate politics | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | If anything I'd just shut down the white house | 18:12 |
| HtheB | why do people always think about the white house | 18:12 |
| HtheB | when I just say president :D | 18:12 |
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| MohammadAG | Cause it's white and cute | 18:13 |
| HtheB | Turkey also has a president | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 18:13 |
| HtheB | ahhaha | 18:13 |
| HtheB | :D | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohyeah, mohammad for Turkey president | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I see that happen | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | Meanwhile, turkey buys Nokia and fires slop | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | That might be useful | 18:14 |
| HtheB | <3 | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw the Turkish president never got elected by acclamation :-P | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | Elop | 18:14 |
| HtheB | the Turkish prime minister does | 18:15 |
| HtheB | Erdogan <3 | 18:15 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG: well, the shares of Nokia are so low at the moment... | 18:17 |
| HtheB | But then again, I think Microsoft will be the new owner of Nokia (Mobile devision) | 18:18 |
| HtheB | Just like google did with Motorola | 18:18 |
| hiemanshu | interesting in mouse area onDoubleClicked activates with onClicked as well :/ | 18:18 |
| matrixx | X-Fade: ping | 18:26 |
| matrixx | X-Fade: I'm trying to "community QA" some apps in apps.formeego.org, but pressing the community QA buttons gives me 502 Bad Gateway | 18:27 |
| matrixx | *button | 18:27 |
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| merlin1991 | what is the sanest way to have a settings applet in control panel (libduicontrolpanel) and still have notifications about setting changes in your application? | 18:28 |
| merlin1991 | I went for a gconf based settings system for now since in theory it should allow me todo what I just said | 18:29 |
| merlin1991 | but since it's an all qt application I wonder if there is a more qtish way to achieve what I want | 18:29 |
| radiofree | merlin1991: libgq-gconf ;) | 18:31 |
| thp | merlin1991: working on something nice? | 18:31 |
| merlin1991 | radiofree: you don't want to see what I did to libgq-gconf | 18:31 |
| merlin1991 | and gconf isn't exactly the qt way of doing settings :D | 18:32 |
| merlin1991 | thp: yep quassel made a big step forward on the sprint | 18:32 |
| radiofree | its the harmattan way though? | 18:32 |
| merlin1991 | 100% curtesy of Sput though | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | The qt way is this | 18:32 |
| merlin1991 | radiofree: I don't know that, thus I'm askin | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | QSettings + QFileSystemWatcher to monitor changes | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | Theres also someting called don't on Meego | 18:33 |
| merlin1991 | I just spent 2 days chageing the settings backend to gconf | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | dconf | 18:33 |
| thp | merlin1991: cool :) screenshots? | 18:33 |
| merlin1991 | will do some when I got the settings applet done :) | 18:34 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I'm not so sure how QFileSystemWatcher is in terms of efficency | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991: It uses iowatch or whatever its called afaik | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | A Linux kernel thing, doesnt work on virtual files for example | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | let me guess - qfilesystemwatcher never heard of inotify and rather is using a timer to poll every 500mS? | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | ionotify? | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah, inotify | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Qt is sane, the devs are sane | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | Qt mobility on the other hand... | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah yeah, sorry | 18:36 |
| merlin1991 | according to http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Essential_concepts_for_Harmattan_developers_Data_storage.html | 18:37 |
| merlin1991 | I'm stuck with GConf if I do a declarative applet | 18:37 |
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| faenil | MohammadAG: you like to play with dbus, do you know how to get antenna signal strenght? | 18:48 |
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| lardman|lab | faenil: tried a variation of the following?: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_cellular_signal_strength | 18:51 |
| faenil | mmm a variation as in? | 18:53 |
| lardman|lab | see if that one works first of all... | 18:54 |
| faenil | typing :P | 18:54 |
| lardman|lab | also, you should iirc be able to query that component to see what methods it supports, can't remember how mind you | 18:54 |
| faenil | antenna performance :D try with and without aluminium backplate, coz n950 is unusable here | 18:55 |
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| faenil | too weak | 18:55 |
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| faenil | lardman|lab : ServiceUnknown | 19:00 |
| lardman|lab | ok, well it would have been too easy | 19:00 |
| faenil | :D | 19:01 |
| lardman|lab | I wonder whether just recording dbus messages as the signal strength varies would receive the dbus message in question, assuming it is provided by dbus that is | 19:02 |
| faenil | yeah...any shortcut to record? | 19:03 |
| faenil | dbus-monitor? | 19:03 |
| lardman|lab | yeah, though I'm not an expert | 19:04 |
| faenil | ok | 19:04 |
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| frinring | Hi! | 19:11 |
| frinring | just got my first N9 \o/ But: | 19:11 |
| frinring | had it broken after a few minutes, due to first updating the apps, only then updating the whole system to pr 1.1 | 19:12 |
| frinring | any can tell me how to fix this? :/ | 19:12 |
| rm_work | you should be able to reflash the device? | 19:12 |
| rm_work | basically factory reset / wipe | 19:12 |
| rm_work | IE, plug it in with USB and run the flash utility on your computer | 19:13 |
| rm_work | though I don't know about the availability of flash images for the N9 | 19:13 |
| rm_work | the N950 has some available, but... N9 may not | 19:13 |
| nid0 | the images are available fine from navifirm | 19:14 |
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| frinring | nid0: is navifirm some official tool? and what about an official flasher? so far I always read that these things are hacks. and I do not really want to enable dev mode or similar :( | 19:16 |
| jonni | navifirm is 3rd party, but it downloads images from nokia servers. official one is NSU and pc suite. | 19:17 |
| nid0 | navifirm is an unofficial tool, but it just downloads the firmware from nokia | 19:17 |
| frinring | rm_work: yes, no problem for me at work, do that all the time. but this is a non-dev device I do not want to screw :) | 19:17 |
| nid0 | the flasher to flash the firmware is official though | 19:17 |
| frinring | nid0: for the n9? | 19:17 |
| nid0 | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 19:18 |
| nid0 | flasher v 3.12.1 is the n9 flasher | 19:18 |
| rm_work | frinring: well you said you just got it, so i figured you couldn't have too much on it already and a flash wouldn't hurt | 19:18 |
| frinring | rm_work: I am afraid to screw it with regard to guarantee and such stuff | 19:19 |
| rm_work | lol | 19:19 |
| nid0 | reflashing the device doesnt hurt your warranty | 19:19 |
| rm_work | wait did you BUY it? | 19:19 |
| rm_work | officially buy it? | 19:19 |
| frinring | rm_work: yes | 19:19 |
| rm_work | i didn't think they were on sale yet O_o | 19:19 |
| rm_work | when did that happen | 19:19 |
| nid0 | months ago? | 19:19 |
| frinring | N9 | 19:19 |
| rm_work | N9?! | 19:19 |
| rm_work | when? | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes, months ago | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | just not in US :P | 19:20 |
| rm_work | I thought the official product release was December | 19:20 |
| nid0 | months ago, albeit in limited countries | 19:20 |
| rm_work | i mean, it was only a couple of months ago that they even officially said they weren't going to release it in the US/UK | 19:20 |
| rm_work | right? | 19:20 |
| nid0 | but in the usa for example, expansys have had them for a while, and amazon has them through various sellers (but in some cases fulfilling them themselves) | 19:20 |
| rm_work | or did i lose like 3-4 months of time somewhere | 19:20 |
| nid0 | I think so | 19:21 |
| rm_work | wow. | 19:21 |
| nid0 | where are you exactly | 19:21 |
| frinring | nid0: thanks for the link | 19:21 |
| rm_work | i really want to see one in person | 19:22 |
| rm_work | >_> | 19:22 |
| rm_work | though I would not be happy without the keyboard from the N950 anyway :( | 19:23 |
| nid0 | so did I till mine arrived \o/ | 19:23 |
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| nid0 | tbh, im missing the hwkb less than I thought I would. admittedly I got weaned away from hwkb-ness by the n900's hwkb being shite, but swype on the n9 really makes the vkb a lot less problematic | 19:24 |
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| rm_work | I liked the N900's keyboard after a few weeks of getting used to it :P | 19:34 |
| jreznik | rm_work: 1000000 times better than n950 keyboard, I'm not a big fan of vkb but I feel harmattan vkb is fat better than n950 hw one, so I did not use it... but still n9 miss hw keyboard | 19:35 |
| Chaz6 | Weird, I much prefer the n950 keyboard to the n900 :) | 19:36 |
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| jreznik | I was really fast from day one on n900, on n950 I'm faster with vkb :D feels like toy | 19:38 |
| rm_work | lol i got used to n950 keyboard a lot faster than i got used to the n900 keyboard | 19:40 |
| nibbler | rm_work: yeah. 3 rows vs. 4 rows. | 19:41 |
| faenil | lardman|lab : after some research, I guess it's not a dbus api :( | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xterm, less, vkbd: a dream^Hnightmare team | 19:49 |
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| gri | faenil: found something | 20:35 |
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| faenil | gri: oh did you? | 20:36 |
| faenil | I have only a few mins :) | 20:36 |
| gri | faenil: http://pastebin.com/w1zLH7L3 | 20:36 |
| faenil | mmmmm _D | 20:36 |
| gri | Internet.SignalStrength atleast sounds like something you're looking for | 20:36 |
| faenil | but that's wifi's one...isnt it? | 20:37 |
| gri | no idea, could be | 20:37 |
| faenil | internet... | 20:37 |
| gri | I also take a look at the oter files, moment | 20:37 |
| gri | "Cellular.SignalStrength | 20:37 |
| gri | better? :D | 20:37 |
| faenil | definitely :D | 20:38 |
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| gri | so it's about 3 lines of code to get the signal strength | 20:39 |
| faenil | dbus-send? | 20:40 |
| faenil | service and path of that cellular.signalstrenght? | 20:41 |
| gri | no | 20:41 |
| gri | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/showdoc.php?pkn=libcontextsubscriber&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9saWJjb250ZXh0c3Vic2NyaWJlcg%3D%3D | 20:41 |
| gri | like the two lines of the first example code | 20:41 |
| faenil | can't do that with dbus-send --print-reply? | 20:42 |
| gri | I have no idea | 20:42 |
| faenil | can I know the file in which you found that string? :) | 20:43 |
| gri | well, contextkit providers are not dbus services | 20:43 |
| faenil | mmm but there are contextkit dbus messages.. | 20:43 |
| gri | the file was /usr/share/contextkit/providers/com.nokia.csd.CSNet.context | 20:43 |
| faenil | ok thanks... | 20:45 |
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| faenil | need to go now | 20:45 |
| faenil | I'll look into it later or tomorrow, bye people :) thanks gri | 20:45 |
| gri | bye, have fun :) | 20:45 |
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| KRF | are there any plans to release nokia maps suite for harmattan? any insiders? ;) | 20:48 |
| KRF | functionality in nokia drive seems quite limited - doesn't even show ETA. | 20:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | np: BlackBox Recorder - The Art of Driving. | 20:51 |
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| Jare_ | duh, everything works, but my sip service complains about network error when the openvpn tunnel is up. Wtf they have broken in it :/ | 21:10 |
| Jare_ | web browser etc have no problem accessing stuff through the tunnel | 21:11 |
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| Jare_ | hmm, it sends packets out from the tun0 interface, but for some reason those packets have the current public ip address as source address and not the ip of tun0 interface | 21:26 |
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| npm | Does Ovi accept applications implementing a password-protected webserver (i.e the app provides/needs webservice at port 80/444) and does the N9/N950 platform have any limitations preventing such feature? | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | should, shouldn't | 21:45 |
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| * npm wants to add external access to platform notes/transcriptions for http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/ | 21:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | wait, the app *provides* webservice? nah :-/ | 21:46 |
| npm | so i figured the app could put up a web-page and then you could just browse it off your desktop | 21:46 |
| npm | web-page or feed. | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | not at all sure abut policy regarding that | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | port 80 as 444 are "privileged" | 21:46 |
| npm | true | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet you can't do that as user | 21:47 |
| npm | so some over 1000 port then | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, if at all | 21:47 |
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| npm | but then would that be blocked by a firewall? | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, if there is any, it should block such stuff | 21:47 |
| npm | any other apps on harmattan try to do such foolishness? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | sshd ;-D | 21:48 |
| npm | i was thinking of that, but don't ovi store apps require not being in developer mode/ | 21:48 |
| npm | i guess it could be a feature you could enable by being in developer mode | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | just saying it's also a server | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure you could forward ports via ssh | 21:49 |
| npm | not only a server, but secure. All you'd need is... | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | clumsy but should work | 21:49 |
| npm | you took the words right out of my fingermouths | 21:50 |
| npm | sounds like a feature that exceeded most people's level of dorkdrom | 21:50 |
| npm | s/dorkdom | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't there netcat available on HARM (devel tool), so you could easily test, also vis e.g port 8088 or sth | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | or socat | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 21:53 |
| npm | yeap... but the feature starts becoming unappetizing if it requires too much stuff for the end user to setup | 21:53 |
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| npm | whereas point your web browser at your n9's address on your home network is pretty easy | 21:54 |
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| npm | interesting thing is that I got VoiceToGoog running quite nice on my destop, and rejiggered all the external launchers to do useful things on the desktop instead... | 21:55 |
| npm | alternative is to just have a "remote" mode for the desktop version that browses your n9's data | 21:55 |
| npm | and lets you playlist and audio-tour what you captured during the day on your desktop or laptop | 21:56 |
| npm | i was thinking about an "evernote" version but the privacy-violating possibilities are truly zuckerbergian | 21:58 |
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| npm | oh ... see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4859 ... VoiceToGoog 0.2.2 is now available in China (no longer blocked due to YouTube access) | 22:01 |
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| macmaN | Jare_: sup. hows it working so far? sip is the only thing non-functional? | 22:29 |
| Jare_ | sip was nearly the only thing why i was so keen to do those scripts :B | 22:30 |
| Jare_ | but it seems to be working quite nicely, haven't found any clear bugs yet | 22:31 |
| macmaN | ive been thinking about starting a qt openvpn gui project | 22:39 |
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