IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2011-11-21

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kgutteridgehi I have a Symbian app I am trying to upgrade for Harmatten using QML, i've moved it to a page stack window and now all the C++ contexts are inaccessible, setting like so  viewer->rootContext()->setContextProperty("myAccelerometer", &myAccelerometer); , unfortunately now all my references to myAccelerometer are unavailable when testing on the actual device00:04
kgutteridgeI assume its something to do with the harmattan booster, as works on the simulator and desktop00:06
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kgutteridgeanswering own question
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gabriel9any good tut about qt quick?01:47
gabriel9and n901:47
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djszapircg1: is there a tutorial about the qml modification workflow by presenting it on a simple example ?01:58
rcg1i think that's it02:01
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M4rtinKdjszapi: I just use rsync02:57
M4rtinKI log to the device and run a script, that rsyncs the code from my workstation, deleting any local changes and then runs the application02:58
M4rtinKits quite fast and I see the stdout of my application in the terminal window :)02:59
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SpeedEvilI have mislaid my n950. It's got ssh, but no cell signal, so I can't ring it. How do I make it play a wav.05:54
SpeedEvilah - aplay05:55
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dm8tbrFFS yeah! finally figured out that python crap for my liveview. Now if I can get proof of concept by connectin that to my N950...07:45
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djszapidm8tbr: :)08:29
dm8tbrthere is one thin where the liveview firmware is a bit dumb, it just connects to the first available rfcomm on the device, so let's hope I can bind to one that shows up early enough08:31
dm8tbrbecause if I can't figure that out it's probably game over08:31
Corsacwhat's liveview?08:39
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dm8tbrbt connected display/feedback object08:41
dm8tbraka smart watch08:41
* dm8tbr wants to hook it up to javispedro's sowatch08:41
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npmum someone add more power to publish.ovi.com10:31
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AndrioidDoes anyone know if it's possible to get replies/dms from Twitter as notifications on the home screen? If not, I'm considering how I can access the Twitter data to implement it myself11:35
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AndrioidIs the PR 1.1 code available somewhere?12:31
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petterianything especial you are looking for?12:33
AndrioidThe Twitter application the Nokia N9 ships with12:34
petterii think the default nokia applications are not opensource12:35
AndrioidI want to find the data store for the Twitter feed and implement push notifications, having the source code would make that easier12:36
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AndrioidThis is the only thing I dislike about my new phone, not knowing when I get replies and dm's on Twitter :)12:36
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petterihere are some of the repos nokia is using: , but as I said, I think the twitter app is not opensource12:37
Andrioidok, thanks12:38
Andrioidshame, can't find it... maybe I can just access the cache files instead - oh well12:41
petterirunning "find .|grep -i twitter" at the home directory show some twitter database files12:42
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Andrioidafaikt, only cache and mobile twitter local storage (from the browser)13:00
Andrioidputting it on ice, should be focusing on my report anyways... thanks petteri13:01
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lardmanhmm, Windows OCF can't find device either13:05
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* dm8tbr does a little dance13:07
dm8tbrLiveView working with proof of concept code on N95013:08
lardmanwhat's LiveView?13:08
dm8tbrnow I'll need to slowly work my way into SOWatch13:08
* lardman waits for Linux OCF to download for his last attempt using an Ubuntu machine13:09
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lardmanah right, thought I'd heard of that13:10
* dm8tbr is all 'WOOOOOO STRIKE FINALLLLLY' right now :D13:11
dm8tbrtook me long enough to figure this out13:11
lardmandm8tbr: is there a page explaining the underlying hw & sw anywhere?13:11
* Arkenoi cannot get rid of strange impression that harmattan is "step back" from frematnle, from "just old good linux with nice mobile UI" to "some creepy embedded stuff where nothing works as expected" like Android13:11
dm8tbrlet me get you that13:11
Andrioidspecification tab is blank on Sony's page, what a surprise :P13:11
lardmandm8tbr: thanks13:11
Arkenoichanges are subtle but the result is still like that13:12
dm8tbrthat's the code I just quickly tried on my N95013:13
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petteriso next we need some nice liveview client on the linux desktop, eh :)13:14
Andrioidstill not clear on what LiveView is, it's a watch with a screen and bluetooth?13:15
lardmandm8tbr: cool, thanks13:17
* Arkenoi has a watch with screen and bluetooth, but no one managed to build Nucleus based firmwares so far so it is just a useless toy13:17
lardmanAndrioid: agreed, cool to hack, but does it have a use?13:17
Arkenoii think there should be some kind of linux for mediatek, but again, no one built a working firmware13:17
Andrioidlardman: it seems like notification window for people that are too lazy to look at their phone - and to change songs. I was hoping for something like a pulse meter and acceleratometer13:19
lardmannot sure the sales pitch of a phone remote control really has much use13:19
AndrioidIt's 2011, if i'm going to keep a huge gadget on my rist, I'd like it to do stuff too :)13:19
lardmanif it were a watch that would be more interesting13:19
lardmanyeah sure13:19
Andrioiddm8tbr: not to belittle your work, hacking on new gadgets is always cool :)13:20
lardmandoes it actually come with a wrist strap?13:21
ArkenoiAndrioid, btw mediatek one has gsm module in it as well!13:21
AndrioidDick Tracy, calling base, Dick Tracy calling base!13:22
dm8tbrAndrioid: I think it does have some raison d'etre actually. wrist attached object is way easier to accesss and way less intrusive than getting out your phone13:24
lardmanyay! OCF found phone on my netbook13:25
Andrioidtrue, and I would love a wrist gadget that could serve a window to the Internet, a phone and a heart-rate meter. Honestly, I'm having problems finding pockets for the things I carry around already :)13:25
lardmanif it were small and fashionable enough to look like a watch, but with the ability for remote devices to talk to it, that would be useful13:26
AndrioidJust saying, a wrist-gadget like this would have to be able to replace my phone for everything except browsing13:26
lardmaneven without accelerometer and heart-rate, etc13:26
Andrioidlardman: sure, not everybody needs that - make it a pro version13:27
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Arkenoimetawatch is nice, though being amazingly "low-tech"13:29
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lardmanArkenoi: yep, that's what I was thinking of13:30
AndrioidThis looks quite cool:
lardmanouch @ price13:30
ArkenoiAndrioid, this one gave me impression of too "multimedia-focused"13:30
Arkenoidon't really need all that fancy things13:31
Andrioidyeah, the good news it that these watches are incoming - we might have to wait a few years for them to get it right :)13:31
Arkenoi(having highres well-backlit transreflective screen would be nice though)13:31
* Arkenoi wants a decent HMD as well13:32
Arkenoiunfortunately for 25 years of development it did never actually hit the consumer market13:32
Andrioidthat analog metawatch looks "classy" and fulfills some geeky needs as well13:33
Arkenoi"video glasses for movies" do not count13:33
Arkenoianalog screen is too small, i bought digital13:33
Andrioidtoo geeky imo, not the display - just the blocky design13:34
Arkenoiwell, i used to wear cect w600, and even casio wqv series before, (not to mention old LED watches, including binary and Twelve 5-9 series) so nothing is "too geeky" after that :-))13:36
AndrioidDownsides of having a girlfriend - she wants to have a say in what I wear in public. So I have to pick the gadgets carefully :)13:36
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AndrioidUsed to have a Casio Calculator Watch, loved that thing. Since it broke I haven't really carried once since13:37
* Arkenoi just does not care. So I can happily bring my umbrella with katana handle and stuff like that to work and no one will object :-)13:38
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* lardman has seen sword-sticks but never a sword umbrella13:46
lardmanwhere did the rest of it go?13:50
lardmanthe sharp bit ;)13:50
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djszapiaheinecke: -> I added more documentation14:14
djszapiaheinecke: can we ask the help of the kde doc team for formatting and other issue ? Like this,
aheineckedjszapi: cool, i would put your packaging example as a main menu point, and improve the formatting a bit14:16
djszapiI requested a KDE Harmattan repository from kde-sysadmins on Saturday iirc.14:16
aheineckeformatting mostly on my part the debian repos in one line are broken ^^14:16
djszapilet us see what they answer. I think bcooksley supported the idea, at least.14:17
djszapiThey host the KDE Windows packages, too. That is also sort of special sharing14:17
djszapitheir only restriction is to avoid the "me too" environment.14:17
aheineckeyes i can imagine "why not kde-debian then" etc,.. :)14:18
djszapiyeah, so they support it in individual cases, only.14:18
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djszapiaheinecke: it would be nice to if you can at some point build my kdelibs package for localizing the performance issue14:20
djszapior I can also download your version actually.14:20
lardmanIs it usual to get a "can't set groups" error when doing devel-su on the latest harmattan image?14:20
djszapimy friend got the same14:20
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lardmanhmm, can't seem to ssh into localhost as root either, doesn't accept the password14:26
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lardmanyeah just read that14:27
lardmanso is there a way of getting root now?14:27
djszapiaheinecke: we could probably later add some screenshot, or already running applications, like this:
djszapilardman: why would you like to become a root ?14:27
lardmanso I can install some packages14:27
djszapiyou can install packages as developer14:28
lardmanI can't devel-su14:28
djszapidevel-su would not really mean developer user14:28
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djszapiyou have these credentials in develsh14:28
djszapitry to install package from develsh14:28
djszapiyou are a developer, not root14:29
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djszapiand normal user should not really install things from cli, just by using pkgmgr14:29
lardmanhmm, I'll certainly try running dpkg from develsh, hang on a tick14:29
djszapiI do not know whether it works.14:30
djszapiThat is what I would try out.14:30
djszapisince that sounds logical.14:30
lardmanno, it doesn't14:30
lardmanrequires superuser privilege14:31
lardmandeveloper mode on this device has been nothing but trouble I've got to say, but at least this time it actually succeeded in installing the developer mode packages14:31
jonnilardman: if you get cant set groups on devel-su then your ota update has failed14:32
lardmanjonni: I had to use the OCF as the OTA wouldn't work14:32
djszapilardman: sounds like a bug in the develsh workflow14:33
djszapilardman: I think your develsh is completely broken14:33
djszapican you paste the "accli -I" output ?14:33
lardmanthat's running inside develsh14:35
jonnidevelsh aegis has <deny><credential match="UID::*" /><credential match="GID::*" /></deny> so its a fature by default, you need to run binary that uses setguid to gain root14:36
djszapilooks good. The patience at the weekend had a broken develsh too14:36
djszapilardman: I will ask this internally, because I would expect from a developer you can do that.14:36
lardmanthanks djszapi14:36
djszapishould be no need for root.14:36
djszapilardman: so it is a fresh firmware, btw ?14:38
jonnilardman: after you manage to get yourself as root you can fix develsh by apt-get --reinstall install develsh14:38
djszapiI mean fresh update.14:38
lardmandjszapi: fresh then restored my backup14:38
djszapilardman: have you tried it with a fresh before doing anything ?14:38
djszapidid the update go fine ?14:39
lardmanupdate worked fine, though that has also been a pita - didn't work on my OpenSUSE laptop nor my Windows box, finally worked on my Ubuntu netbook14:39
djszapijonni: what do you mean by fix develsh ?14:39
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* Arkenoi often wishes i could run fremantle on n950, despite broken google sync14:39
lardmanI could do it again, but as it takes an age I'd like to avoid if possible14:39
djszapiyep, understandable.14:40
jonnidjszapi: reinstalling develsh fixes it (if ota or backup restore has messed up the credentials)14:40
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djszapijonni: fixes what ?14:40
djszapithe set group issue ?14:40
jonnidjszapi: I've had few devices with that cant set goup error14:40
lardmanhow can the backup affect permissions on that binary?14:41
djszapilardman: well, it is a general debug approach to confine the environment :)14:41
lardmanI didn't do any package re-installation that it offered14:41
djszapiI do nto think you need to look for an answer there yet14:41
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djszapilardman: what is this OTA update ?14:53
djszapiI was aware of the ssu update only.14:53
lardmanwell not OTA as such, updates provided by the package managewr14:53
lardmanyeah, wrong terminology on my part14:53
lardmanSo I've been unable to update via SSU14:54
djszapiwhy not14:54
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djszapicannot it be the problem that failure broke devel-su ?14:54
lardmanIt sits there for a long while and tells me the installation was interrupted iirc14:54
lardmanno, because I just used the OCF to update as I was hoping to see whether QCamera rotation has been implemented in the update14:55
djszapiso after the ssu failure, you grabbed a new fresh firmware, and then OCF (btw, what is this OCD ?)14:55
lardmanSo I did OCF, had to disable then re-enable developer mode, it downloaded the 2.5Mb package and installed it without (apparent) problems14:55
lardmanOCD - obsessive compulsive re-flashing N950 disorder?14:56
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djszapiwhat is OCF ?14:57
djszapiwhat is the difference between OCF and OTA ?14:57
lardmanThe issue with the broken update and broken developer mode (i.e. not being willing to complete) seemed to be related to corrupted package downloads, and without root there was no way to purge the package cache14:58
lardmanOCF is one click flasher14:58
lardmanisn't that what it's called?14:58
djszapiahhh that one...14:58
djszapiI do not know the abbreviations I use 1-2 times in my life14:58
djszapisorry for that14:58
lardmans/OTA/SSU in my previous sentances14:58
djszapiis there PR 1.1 iamge available, or you flashed the PR 1.0 ?14:58
lardmanI flashed
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lardmanIn any case I wonder if you could ask whoever wrote the package manager to purge the cache of any packages that failed to install, as that seems to be the root of my previous problems15:02
lardmanno clue what the problem is now15:02
* lardman wonders about a trip to Nemo-land as he's going to have to try reflashing again anyway15:02
djszapithe package manager author is not on the board ;-)15:03
lardman-of directors?15:03
djszapiof the Harmattan team15:03
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jonniapt-cache clean    (but unfortunately you need to be root to run that command)15:05
djszapiactually, devel-su should go away15:06
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macmaN"should go away" = will be replaced by something better?15:15
djszapi"should go" is an opinion on my side. We will not replace anything in this phrase of the product development15:16
macmaNbut in your mind, why should it go15:20
djszapibecause it does not make sense to have a separate tool15:24
lardman|labjonni: exactly, but once you're stuck in the situation where the developer packages won't install, there's nothing you can do15:25
lardman|labI did purge the cache for the update, but it didn't seem to do anything useful, perhaps my network connection at home wasn't good enough to get the entire update package *shrug*15:26
jonnilardman|lab: actually you can still fix the situation, I've done it few time, it requires a bit of tweaking though:15:27
* lardman|lab sharpens his pencil ready to take notes15:27
jonnilardman|lab: I did following, Section: user/hidden if package is in that section you can use pkgmgr in commandline as user to install it, what I did is just mage aegis.file  with <credential match="*" /> and then binary which just uses setuid(0) and opens shell, as developer origin has cap setuid that works15:31
jonniand when your root you can just do apt-get --reinstall install busybox-devel-su to fix the problem15:32
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lardman|labok, sounds like a plan15:32
lardman|labwill take a look this evening when I get home15:32
lardman|labthanks even :)15:32
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mike7b4_atworkHi what version of Maliit is used in Harmattan ?15:33
djszapidepends on the firmware version I guess, but 0.80.8.harmattan1+0m7 here.15:40
mike7b4_atworkdjszapi, PR1.1 I guess? (Still waiting for PR1.1 :-(15:41
djszapiI have not used PR 1.1 like for months15:48
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djszapircg1: I do not like this sshfs workflow15:53
djszapiimo, it is too bloated for a non-qt-creator user15:53
djszapiand it actually is even a bit outdated, since root ssh does not work anymore, anyways15:54
rcg1djszapi: ic15:54
rcg1well my workflow aint that sophisticated as well :)15:54
rcg1its more like coding in qtsdk using either desktop qml stuff or emulator and only try very few times on device15:55
mike7b4_atworkdjszapi, well we endusers are alot after in versionnumbers then ;) (personally I sick of waiting for PR1.1 :-/ seems my PR1.0 is using old name of libmeegoim*15:55
djszapircg1: well, gluon builds for 20 minutes in sb.15:58
djszapieven if I use some "fakeroot ./debian/rules binary" magic, it is still more than needed.15:58
djszapiyes, it works for miniature projects.15:58
djszapiM4rtinK: can you show your device side script for syncing up ?16:00
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M4rtinKdjszapi: well, I can as well wiki it :)16:05
rcg1djszapi: heh ic ;)16:06
djszapiM4rtinK: yes, if you can do it right away...Otherwise please post the command16:06
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M4rtinKI have modified the scripts to be more general purpose16:23
djszapiwhy not "scp" instead of "rsync" ?16:24
djszapilike a dedicated qml folder by using "scp -r" ?16:24
M4rtinKfeel free to fix any errors and make improvements :)16:24
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M4rtinKrsync only transfers what changed16:25
djszapiimo one "scp" command is enough16:25
M4rtinKand I use this for syncing modRana, which has about 1-2 MB including various icons, etc.16:25
djszapiyou design icons ?16:26
M4rtinKand the sync is almost instant + I have the exact same files as on my workstation :)16:26
djszapiand you need to test it on the device ?16:26
M4rtinKfor the MAemo version16:26
djszapisorry, but that makes no sense16:26
dm8tbrrsync is not scp, those are very very different tools16:27
djszapiindeed, and the scp is the good tool for a qml folder imo.16:27
gridjszapi: did the accounts thing yourself?16:27
djszapisnowpong: do you have a plus ticket for me ? :p (Android Seminar) Would like to follow your talk :)16:28
M4rtinKwell, for small projects scp might be enough16:29
djszapiit is not about project size16:30
djszapiit is about testing qmlS16:30
djszapiimo, rsync is an overkill for that16:30
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M4rtinKwell, it very efficiant when doing incremental testing :)16:30
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M4rtinKbut the efficiency might not manifest for typical small projects though16:31
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Jare_all right, i've managed to get rid of the aegis errors, but i'm getting nothing in syslog when those if-up and if-down scripts should run16:47
djszapiM4rtinK: in gluon: 98-99% logic 1-2% qml16:49
M4rtinKdjszapi: in modRana 100% Python logic 0% QML (currently, should change in the future) :)16:51
M4rtinKin my manga/comic book viewer, it might be about 80% / 20%16:52
M4rtinKand as I can run Python files without packaging them, its quite handy :)16:52
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djszapiM4rtinK: it is not about the executables..16:57
M4rtinKdjszapi: Well, I mostly also edit the backend a lot its useful in my case :)16:59
djszapiwell, the gluon backend has been quite reliable for a while17:00
djszapiit is really just about porting the Ui17:00
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macmaNJare_: hi there. ok so network script triggering not solved huh :<17:05
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Jare_yup, i've now tried something simple like: Still nothing in syslog and the program is definitely not started. Works great if you run it manually from the shell though...17:08
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djszapircg1: do you pass the qml file explicitely with a command line option or how ?17:21
rcg1djszapi: i have the main qml file hardcoded in my void main(..){} and then reference all the other qml stuff only from within qml17:22
djszapircg1: what is the difference between that and the production usage (resource file) apart from the encapsulation, so the qml code-wise ?17:24
gridjszapi: Using resources has one disadvantage17:24
rcg1afaik there is no difference17:24
griimport "/usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/meego/UIConstants.js" as UIConstants << can't be used when the qml doing this is inside a resource file17:25
djszapircg1: so I just reference to component names from the main.qml file and then later as well in embedded qml files, right ?17:25
rcg1djszapi: that's what i did17:26
rcg1but i think gri has also a valid point there.. though i must admit i never used that ;)17:26
grircg1: If you want to use system font sizes, colors or margins I found no other way than doing that17:27
rcg1gri: ah, ic.. didn't know that yet.. sounds pretty useful :)17:29
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djszapircg1: so all I need is to comment the qml file entries out in my resource file and done ?17:36
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spenapgri, that import works for me when using the "file://" scheme17:42
spenapso it would be import "file:///usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/meego/UIConstants.js" as UIConstants17:42
grispenap: Ah ok I did not try that17:42
spenapanyway, from now on, I'm more into manually copying the properties I'm using :-/17:43
griit would me much better if it worked without the absolute path ..17:43
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rm_workGeneralAntilles: so why should I buy a metawatch? :P17:45
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hiemanshuhow do you use the dark theme in QML (like the one in music/gallery app)18:04
hiemanshuyeah, how?18:05
djszapitheme.inverted = true;18:06
hiemanshuah thanks18:06
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spenaphiemanshu, you'll need to set it onComponent.Completed {18:08
spenapnot written that way :)18:08
hiemanshuyou mean Component.onCompleted :P18:08
spenapyes :D18:08
hiemanshuyeah I found that when it didn't work the first time :P18:09
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djszapircg1: so this is where you hard core the absolute path ? setSource( QUrl( "qrc:/main.qml" ) );18:50
GeneralAntillesrm_work, yes, yes, yes. Emphatically yes!18:51
rm_workI said "why" :P18:51
GeneralAntillesBecause it's awesome?18:52
GeneralAntillesBecause you can have your phone on silent all the time18:52
GeneralAntillesYou can check your messages from your wrist18:52
GeneralAntillesDon't need to take it out to see who's calling.18:52
rm_workso you have it working with N950?18:52
GeneralAntillesPlus you can do all sorts of interesting little applications.18:52
rm_workcan check SMS from it?18:52
GeneralAntillesjavispedro got it working18:52
GeneralAntillesIn the three weeks it took me to get mine after he get his, he put together sowatch.18:52
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* DocScrutinizer moos at GeneralAntilles18:53
* GeneralAntilles waves.18:53
GeneralAntillesrm_work, you can do whatever you want.18:53
GeneralAntillesrm_work, almost all of the logic runs on the phone18:53
rm_worki mean, it works tho? already can check SMS from the watch?18:53
GeneralAntillesand you can put together what Javier has coined as "watchlets" in QML.18:53
GeneralAntillesIt gives notifications when things are incoming18:54
rm_workyeah i remember you guys talking about it... you got it set up where you can literally just directly control the framebuffer to shove stuff to it from the phone?18:54
GeneralAntillesThere's also a history watchlet javispedro put together which kind of works.18:54
GeneralAntillesShould be straightforward to make it work well.18:54
GeneralAntillesYeah, that's basically how the watch works.18:54
GeneralAntillesThe idle/watch screen is built by the watch18:55
GeneralAntillesanything else is shoved from the phone.18:55
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dm8tbrrm_work: the alternative is live-view or also inpulse. I got the liveview working today with PoC code19:03
rm_worki mean, is that how it works with Android too?19:03
rm_workor that's just the way we chose to do it, to get QML support19:03
rm_workhow dows liveview work?19:03
dm8tbrliveview has the downside of the display being off unless triggered19:03
rm_worktriggered physically?19:04
dm8tbrbut it has oled, which is nice19:04
dm8tbryes, or by remote notification (including also vibra)19:04
dm8tbrI'm toying with it. seems like you can do some menu structure and push plain text notifications like text/im/email/rss/foo19:05
rm_workdm8tbr: the alternative to what? that method of pushing data to the screen? or an alternative to Metawatch? lol19:05
dm8tbralternative to the MW19:05
dm8tbrthere are even more19:05
dm8tbrthere's also some motorola thing19:05
dm8tbrand that italian android-on-your-wrist thing19:06
rm_workliveview looks much cheaper19:06
dm8tbryarp, paid 60eur and got it delivered next day :)19:06
dm8tbrwas nice as MW wasn't shipping for another 3 months19:06
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rm_worki'm very tempted by this, if only because it is SOOOO much cheaper19:08
dm8tbrso far I mostly used it as a watch, as I couldn't figure out the python code that someone wrote19:08
rm_workand honestly i'd only ever consider it a toy anyway19:08
dm8tbrbut today I had a breakthrough over breakfast: got it working from my laptop19:08
rm_workah nice19:08
rm_workand it's controlled by python code?19:08
dm8tbrand in a free minute at work: bading! got it working with my n95019:08
rm_workit's on sale for 25LB19:08
dm8tbrI'm going to shove the logic into SOwatch19:08
dm8tbrif I can figure out how to wake up the watch and show a notification, that's my first goal. call notify.19:09
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rm_workhow does it hold a charge?19:13
dm8tbrwhen I use it without connecting it to a device surprisingly well. never paid attention, but probably about a week19:14
dm8tbrif you go berserk and play with it all day, less then a day I'd guess :)19:14
dm8tbralso if you use vibra a lot it will eat your battery19:15
rm_worklol k19:16
rm_workthe display is nice19:16
rm_workhow about the size/weight?19:16
dm8tbrnext to nothing :)19:17
hiemanshu20 lines of code to get clicking in Image to zoom in/out, wonder why they didn't add that feature to the Component iteself19:17
dm8tbrit's a bit thicker than the average watch though19:17
rm_workwell i don't wear a watch19:18
rm_workbut this looks interesting19:18
rm_workGeneralAntilles: he may have won with his *striking* argument: "it only costs $50 instead of $200"19:18
rm_workwhat does the metawatch do, that this one doesn't?19:18
rm_workanything? >_>19:18
rm_workthe inpulse is $15019:19
rm_workwhat does IT have19:19
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rm_workdm8tbr / GeneralAntilles: both of these look a lot better than the metawatch, if only because the screen is in color >_>19:20
dm8tbrrm_work: well that's the tradeoff19:20
rm_workwhat is19:20
dm8tbrrm_work: either you go monochrome lcd or you have to trigger the display manually and get full colour oled19:21
rm_worki mean, is that the only difference?19:21
rm_workoh, is the metawatch "always-on"?19:21
dm8tbroh and you can't easily run your own code on the liveview. you're fixed to the original framework.19:21
dm8tbryes, it's some new technology LCD with very low power consumption19:22
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dm8tbrI didn't particularly like the silver/white colour though19:22
dm8tbrbtw: the analogue metawatch also uses oled, two matrices, monochrome19:23
rm_workdm8tbr: so you have to use the SDK... but i thought the SDK was for android? but you got code working from N950 today?19:24
dm8tbrrm_work: forget the android SDK :)19:24
rm_work<dm8tbr> oh and you can't easily run your own code on the liveview. you're fixed to the original framework.19:24
dm8tbrrm_work: still the firmware expects a certain menu structure etc and offers certain option that you _can_ use19:24
rm_workI'd like to see some sample code?19:25
rm_workif you have some19:25
dm8tbryes, just a sec19:25
rm_workand a picture of what it does on the watch maybe? or screenshot19:25
SpeedEvildm8tbr: LCD, not oled19:25
dm8tbrSpeedEvil: the _analogue_ uses OLED19:26
SpeedEvilignore me19:26
dm8tbrrm_work: way ahead of you. preparing for a short clip of what the python code does19:26
rm_workwell, let me know19:27
GeneralAntillesrm_work, color means shit battery19:27
GeneralAntillesIt also means the screen isn't always on19:27
GeneralAntilleswhich is really a must-have19:27
GeneralAntillesfor a watch19:27
dm8tbrworks well enough for me. it's a tradeoff, yes19:28
SpeedEvilIt only needs to be on when it's pointed within 45 degrees of the eyes - say.19:28
GeneralAntillesHow water-proof is the LiveView?19:29
GeneralAntillesrm_work, the MetaWatch guys are all about open source19:29
GeneralAntillesand there's actually a future with this platform.19:30
SpeedEvilOpensource != future.19:30
SpeedEvilIt has to be a functional widespread platform.19:30
GeneralAntillesWell, they've actually got plans to expand their platform.19:30
SpeedEvilFor values of widespread that may vary.19:31
SpeedEvilSee arduino.19:31
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snowpongAnyone seen leakage in their apps when closing/opening softwareinputpanel a lot of times? I see that here, and it seems to be related to resizing (caused by SIP)20:01
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dm8tbrrm_work: -- I'll wrap the videos later today in a blog post or something.20:07
dm8tbr005 shows the liveview, while 001 shows it alongside the debug output of the python script20:08
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Jare_macmaN: victory! Now those ifup/ifdown scripts execute correctly. So just some scripting left to do :)20:23
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djszapiSput merlin1991 what was the name of the place where we were on Saturday evening ?20:26
Sputdjszapi: B-Lage20:27
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djszapiI hope I can get the dot story published soonish20:28
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strannik1Hey guys and gals20:39
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* lardman|home flashed N950 image again, enabled dev mode and can now use devel-su20:50
lardman|homenow time to try restoring a backup so I can actually call people20:50
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faenilhey people :)21:05
rm_workdm8tbr: the googlecode link didn't seem to have any... code21:11
rm_workdm8tbr: ah nm it just took an hour to actually load21:11
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rm_workdm8tbr: wait why does it look monochrome? >_>21:29
grisometimes I hate qml :(21:30
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strannik1Everybody in the house say whoop whoop21:31
strannik1Nokia engineers are morons!! Has anyone seen the nokia e6?!21:31
rm_worki have always had quite a lot of respect for the hardware engineers, and a bit for the software engineers given what they're facing and their available resources.... their MANAGEMENT is fscked tho21:32
rm_workthen again i have not seen the e6 :P21:32
deramsometimes I hate the way UI code must be written "Button* button=new Button();container.append(button)...", th qml seems improvement..21:32
strannik1They got rid of the left and right soft buttons on the e6!!!!! So many symbian apps need those buttons21:33
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rm_workerr, i thought they got rid of the "symbian" :P21:33
gristrannik1: Try to bend the phone left and right, if it does not work ask for warranty :P21:33
strannik1I was looking to get the phone because i reallllly like the e71 and e72 .. But now they got rid of the most important buttons .. Wtf21:34
rm_workleft and right?21:34
rm_workit looks as if there's a center D-pad21:34
rm_workit would have left and right, no?21:35
strannik1No wonder everyone hates symbian .. Its the best os in my opinion for phones with small screens imho21:35
rm_workor do you mean "locationally" left and right, not functionally21:35
strannik1Rm_work: you know the left and right button to access menu and another option21:35
strannik1Right under the display21:35
rm_workrm_work: no, don't know those :/21:35
rm_workI have had: N800, N810, N900, N95021:36
rm_workbefore that, i had motorola dumbphones21:36
strannik1The left softkey is for the menu21:37
strannik1The right softkey is for camera or anything else you assign it to21:37
strannik1There is also a dedicated menu button on all symbian phones21:37
strannik1But apps use the left key as the menu button21:37
strannik1Because the dedicated key always puts you into the symbian menu21:38
strannik1(in app menu) is the left softkey21:38
strannik1Now that button is gone21:38
strannik1I am typing from my e72 .. And on this irc client if i press the left softkey it brings up things like copy url21:39
dm8tbrrm_work: because the default images are not very colourful and I had to screw with the exposure to have the display even remotely visible ;)21:39
strannik1Settings , logging , commands etc are all on the left softkey... Now if you try to run this irc client on the e6 half of the functionallity will be gone21:40
strannik1I really wonder if symbian is being run by morons21:40
rm_workdm8tbr: loooool21:40
rm_workwell THAT is something worth noting21:40
rm_workso really, i may as well not have a color screen if i want to be able to read it? :P21:40
dm8tbrrm_work: the display colours are actually pretty OLED typical: crisp21:41
dm8tbrrm_work: it was too bright for the cam, I set the exposure to -221:41
rm_workjust the camera had problems21:41
rm_workk lol21:41
dm8tbrwithout the tweaks there were just white blobs21:42
rm_workso the problem is a sucky camera, not a sucky LCD screen21:42
rm_workkk :P21:42
rm_workdm8tbr: yeah without context i'm not sure what's going on, will look forward to a blog post or something21:43
rm_workthe integration with the N950's SMS system is what worries me21:43
rm_worknot sure how easy it is to get SMS data21:43
rm_workmaybe it is super simple, i don't know21:43
dm8tbrrm_work: probably not at all if you go by capabilities21:44
dm8tbrbut let's see21:44
rm_workprobably not at all = probably not easy?21:44
dm8tbrI hear windows phone is even worse. you can programmatically send a message, but can not receive the answer :)21:44
rm_workwell it seems like that could be a security concern21:45
rm_workthen again, BOTH are21:45
rm_workbut surveilance seems like the biggest concern21:45
lardman|homeso I read that one can't ssh in as root, how can one ssh in? As user? If so what's the password?21:45
dm8tbrpremium numbers and that21:45
rm_workthey don't want to let it be possible to install something and have it snoop all your texts21:45
dm8tbrlardman|home: whatever you feed to passwd?21:45
rm_worklardman|home: I ssh as root...21:45
rm_worklardman|home: what device are we talking about?21:46
rm_workI ssh as root....21:46
lardman|homelatest sw release doesn't allow that apparently21:46
rm_worki haven't updated21:46
rm_worki'm still on stock FW21:46
* DocScrutinizer neither, CBA21:46
rm_workhow much better does the OS feel now?21:46
rm_workare the random little glitches gone mostly?21:47
DocScrutinizerglitches like "you can ssh in as root, OMFG!" ?21:47
faenilis there any way to check antenna signal power on N950/n9?21:47
lardman|homehmm, well I've had to flash it twice with the one click flasher as the first time I couldn't get root, so I've only just done the second one21:47
faenilI'd like to compare them, removing the backplate of the n95021:48
lardman|homeI see it has a twitter app, signal strength is possibly better21:48
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lardman|homehmm, so I set user's password with passwd, but connection won't work still21:49
DocScrutinizerrm_work: or the glitch that there's been a working dmesg? yes all those got fixed ;-D21:49
lardman|homePermission denied to be exact21:50
lardman|homeback to the bad old days of needing to use mass storage mode to copy test code across21:50
deramssh is only allowed from networks considered local21:51
deramlike etc21:51
lardman|homehow is that consideration evaluated?21:51
lardman|home192.168.2.X ?21:51
lardman|homewon't work21:51
deramsee sshd config in /etc/ssh/..21:52
derambut hmm.. if you are in "local" net, then it might not be this..21:52
* DocScrutinizer wonders if you may edit /etc/ssh/*21:52
lardman|homeI can now do that I think, at least I can become root this time though21:53
M4rtinKMALFun ? :)21:53
deramso you set the "user" accounts password.. you sure you tried to ssh with user@DEVICE_IP?21:54
lardman|homederam: yes21:54
deramyou might put some verbosity (like -vvv if using linux ssh) to the ssh client you are using, to see what it is complaining21:55
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deramthat is strange..22:04
rm_workuser is a strange account tho22:08
rm_worki thought it was "not recommended" to set a password on it22:08
lardman|homeno idea, I was just trying to login somehow22:09
faenilany idea to get antenna signal power?22:11
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lardman|homedbus call probably, no idea what mind you22:12
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rm_worklardman|home: /etc/ssh/sshd_config contains a like "PermitRootLogin" on my config22:15
faenilI want to know if the aluminium is seriously weakening the signal22:15
rm_work*contains a line22:15
rm_workit is set to "Yes"22:15
rm_workand then "AllowUsers" is a list of what ranges can connect22:16
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rm_worklike "*@"22:16
lardman|homethanks rm_work22:17
rm_worklardman|home: well i am also interested in whether or not you can fix it :P22:17
rm_worklardman|home: so keep me informed if you manage22:17
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lardman|homehmm, I don;t see anything like PermitRootLogin22:25
lardman|homein fact very little is uncommented in my config22:25
lardman|homeother than: Host *22:25
lardman|homeah, and a couple of others22:31
lardman|homewill add PermitRootLogin yes and reboot and see what we get22:31
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* RST38h moos at lardman22:42
lardman|homehey RST38h, how are you? :)22:46
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jonnilardman|home: in PR1.1 root login is not allowed, you can bypass this by doing: devel-su -c "echo root2:SU.odxvRwp3Vs:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh >> /etc/passwd"       that way you just do ssh root2@   and everything just works, or you can follow following url
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lardman|homejonni: thanks22:57
jonnibut there is a reason that its disabled, device is much more secure against outside attacks if you only use the changing password of developer user and devel-su to gain root. or upload authorized_keys to root change password to some random one, (and use root2 to login)22:58
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lardman|homeI can't login as user though22:58
lardman|homeah developer22:58
jonniyes because use doesnt have passwd set :)22:58
lardman|homewell actually it does as I set it22:58
* lardman|home wonders where libmagick10++ has gone to23:01
rafael2kpeople, have anyone managed to put libhildon in a repo?23:03
lardman|homeyeah, I can't apt-get install that either23:05
lardman|homethough I could on the last beta23:05
jonnilardman|home: apt-get install libmagick1023:07
lardman|homegot that, I need the C++ parts though23:07
lardman|homewhich I assume were in the ++ lib23:08
lardman|homejonni: so should I be able to login as developer@ip ?23:08
jonnilardman|home: yes, if you have opened the SDK connection application, it will show the passwd23:10
lardman|homeah, great, thanks23:11
jonniand yes seems that that package is no longer in public repo, although you can still get the package from here I think:
lardman|homeyeah was going to install directly23:13
lardman|homejust trying to remove the dep really, but new code doesn't work, so need to work out why the outputs differ23:13
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lardman|homehmm, no wget, what can one use?23:15
jonniapt-get install wget23:15
lardman|homehmm, just realised & tried that, thanks :)23:15
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rm_worklardman|home: i think you may have edited the wrong file?23:25
rm_worklardman|home: that sounds like an accurate description of what is in my ssh_config23:26
rm_workyou want sshd_config23:26
rm_worknote the D23:26
lardman|homeah, doh23:26
macmaNJare_: how how!23:27
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macmaNJare_: going to sleep hopefully youll find a moment to write it down on fmo, thanks for figuring it out!23:34
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