IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2011-11-19

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TroyIs anybody aware of an easy way to get pango and cairo development libraries into scratchbox?00:19
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mgedminusually the best way to get such things is apt-get install them from the SDK repo00:35
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macmaNoh yeah. was wondering today, maybe there's some hack out there that let you save outgoing mails into another folder, not Sent00:57
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Sazpaimon__i just noticed the N9 doesnt run in 24 bit color mode01:14
Sazpaimon__and if I force X11 to 24 bit color, it gets really buggy01:14
Sazpaimon__well then so much for getting lightspark to work right01:15
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mgedminthat leaves gnash and swfdec01:20
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TroyThe pango and cairo development packages do not seem to be in the SDK repo, hence the question01:31
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M4rtinKTroy: I have a Cairo package in my OBS repo:
M4rtinKlooks like it should provide some -dev packages01:54
Jare_is it possible to make the terminal app accessible when i'm not in developer mode?01:55
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mgedminJare_, I think so, all you need to do is find the .deb and install it02:16
mgedminare there any downsides to having developer mode enabled?  I'm not aware of any02:16
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Jare_so no downsides except ssh access allowed in wlan?02:39
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Jare_obviously the next question will be: how do i temporarily disable the ssh access in developer mode?02:39
mgedminJare_, if you've got PR1.1 firmware, you can't ssh in02:40
mgedminPermitRootLogin is disabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and 'user' and 'developer' don't have a password by default02:40
Jare_yes, i have it and i still can ssh in as "user"02:40
mgedminthe only way to ssh in is if you explicitly allow it (by running the SDK Connectivity Tool to set a random 'developer' password, or by running 'passwd' manually to set the user password)02:40
Jare_well i configured a password for user..02:40
mgedminah, if you want to disable that, passwd -l user02:41
mgedminI think you can also individually uninstall any of those packages (like openssh-server) that devmode installs by default02:41
mgedminhm, no, those are extra dev packages I was thinking about...02:42
mgedmin(in security -> developer mode)02:42
Jare_that doesn't disable ssh bots though, so those might generate unnecessary network traffic02:43
mgedminalthough you can uninstall them via manage applications02:43
DocScrutinizer51etc/init.d/sshd stop ?03:03
DocScrutinizer51or dimply   stop sshd03:03
Jare_i made a bit more permanent change by modifying the listening address to localhost :)03:21
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djszapianybody having experience thingie with non-resource-file-embedded qml file modifications for ui testing on the device ?12:16
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djszapiX-Fade is there a way to trigger a pkg rebuild ?12:33
djszapisay, it succeeded previously, but I would like to re-trigger it for some reasons.12:33
Stskeepsosc rebuild12:35
djszapiI was not precise enough. I would like to do it on the remote server, and from web ui first, if possible.12:35
Stskeepsi don't think there's a button for the rebuild in web ui anymore, i think12:36
Stskeepsosc rebuild will do it on remote server12:36
djszapiinteresting, so osc rebuild works with the remote server, but osc build not ?12:37
Stskeepsosc build makes a local build12:37
Stskeepsosc rebuild asks the server to rebuild12:37
djszapiokay, thanks.12:37
lardman|homeWhat's the best way to use painter.drawImage() or similar to draw from a QImage onto a QDeclarativeItem(), but without altering the aspect ratio of the image?12:38
lardman|homemorning all too :)12:38
lardman|homeDo I manually need to work out what part of the image I need to use to match the aspect ratio of the drawing area, or have I missed a flag that will do this for me automagically?12:39
lardman|homeah, I can specify the target rectangle, I'll try that12:40
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matrixxany idea what am I missing in desktop file when my app icon shows correctly on homescreen, but has the default qt icon in app manager?15:31
matrixxor hmm, could it use the svg version, which I didn't replace with my icon, cause I only have png15:32
matrixxcrap, that must be it, nvm15:33
matrixxI kinda thought the svg isn't used for anything, but apparently was wrong15:39
djszapimatrixx: :D15:51
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RzRnokia comes to my city next week to spread the wp7 desease , what should be done ?16:39
javispedroE X T E R M I N A T E !16:40
svuorelaRzR: sign up and receive a wp7 phone.16:47
MohammadAGhow? where?16:48
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RzRsvuorela: no sure I'll get one and if i do would it boot a linux kernel ?16:54
RzRMohammadAG: in france they're touring in a couple of cities16:54
MohammadAGI want a Lumia16:57
javispedrojust thought they should call the equivalent of Siri for the Lumia "Lumi"16:57
MohammadAGbtw, will the Lumia use Ovi Suite, or ActiveSync?16:58
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svuorelaRzR: nah. just to take a seat from someone else :p <evilgrin>16:58
MohammadAGOr ActiveOvi16:58
javispedroMohammadAG: ovi.NET16:58
RzRbtw is that device close enough to n9 to support harmattan ? assuming there is no restricted bootloader17:02
Stskeepsit's qualcomm chipset17:02
RzR“We are working very hard with our Developer & Platform Evangelism team to get developers trained,” said Brandon. Microsoft expects to have just over 1,000 related developer events during the 12 months ending June 2012, and these events are both in person and streamed, and will reach all major geographies.17:03
RzRStskeeps: yes I knew that , not supporting Armv7 binaries ?17:04
StskeepsRzR: that isn't the problem, the problem is GLES17:04
ZogG_laptopanyone willing to test something?17:05
RzRStskeeps: should not be an issue to boot the kernel and get a remote shell :)17:05
StskeepsRzR: probably not, but if you want anything useful with it..17:06
RzRthat would be better than a full wp7 platform17:06
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: ping17:07
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: do you have a minute and linux near you?17:08
MohammadAGI suppose17:08
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: download and just do make, put test.png picture in any folder and run from it bin/n9imgur17:09
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: oh it has jansson dependies =)17:10
djszapiStskeeps: that is indeed a really heavy problem ...17:10
ZogG_laptopif it would return you link my next step is gui and than aouth for n917:10
Stskeepsdjszapi: which, GLES?17:11
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djszapiStskeeps: yes...17:11
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: would you mind?17:12
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BluesLeeSwype via simpleirc on N9, hehe17:15
MohammadAGwhy C?17:15
djszapiStskeeps: qt or not, without opengl support ....17:15
djszapithat is more serious than qt for many cases ...17:15
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: coz i like c17:15
MohammadAGbut it's not N9 specific17:16
MohammadAGno Makefile?17:16
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: don't mind code it's messy right now as it passed a lot of tests and i need to clean it up17:16
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: there is make file17:16
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ZogG_laptopmaybe it's old17:16
djszapiZogG_laptop: what is wrong about C ?17:16
ZogG_laptopwait me to sync17:17
djszapiZogG_laptop: what is the question about C ?17:17
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: nothing wrong i like it17:17
MohammadAGonly /src/upload.c and README17:17
djszapiZogG_laptop: please tell your question...17:17
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: now?17:18
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Arkenoijavispedro: here?17:20
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Arkenoijavispedro: i am now almost sure there is something wrong with the way sowatch handles notifications in quite dangerous way. i restored from backup and disabled google sync to rule out possible coincidence17:22
Arkenoiso there is some possibility that as a result of sowatch interaction tracker database gets corrupted which leads to a massive clusterfuck17:23
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i just asked MohammadAG to test my small app, that would be imgur plugin in future17:23
ZogG_laptopfor n917:23
javispedroArkenoi: sowatch does not even _touch_ tracker17:24
djszapihow is it related to C ?17:24
Arkenoilike, tracker-store consumes all available cpu causing battery drain and messaging does not work properly17:24
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: it's written in C17:24
djszapidoes it matter for testing ?17:24
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: no, he asked why i used C to code it17:24
Arkenoihmm, tried this twice with same result: no sowatch -- everything fine, enable sowatch -- tracker goes nuts17:24
djszapitrivial answer, you like C ;-)O17:24
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i said that too =)17:25
Arkenoithere must be some indirect way it is affected17:25
javispedroArkenoi: on the manifest I request ReadAccess for tracker because I wanted to initially get the albumart from it. But I'm not doing it, so you can remove it from the manifest and it'll still work. And of course no writeaccess.17:25
djszapiZogG_laptop: what sort of app is this ?17:25
djszapiZogG_laptop: gtk or something else ?17:25
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: for now it just upload test.png to imgur and return url, in future it would return all urls, date, title and so on17:25
Arkenoijavispedro: i guess it is not tracker itself then, must be something with notifications which causes something else inside phone to drive tracker mad17:25
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: console for now17:26
djszapican you push console utils into OVI ?17:26
Arkenoithe result is pretty reproducible17:26
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: irssi is there17:26
djszapiZogG_laptop: does it have desktop file ?17:27
Arkenoijavispedro: on my phone at least. don't know what else can i do to diagnose it further17:27
Arkenoimaybe my slightly malfunctioning metawatch unit is the hidden factor17:27
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: irssi does17:27
MohammadAGjavispedro, ping17:27
javispedroArkenoi: that shouldn't happen either.17:27
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: so?17:27
javispedroMohammadAG: pang!17:27
Arkenoibut it does :-(17:28
djszapiZogG_laptop: it shows up a shell for clicking on the icon ?17:28
Arkenoitried twice!17:28
javispedroArkenoi: what I meant is, what steps you follow that trigger whatever happens?17:28
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: it opens terminal with irssi17:28
djszapiI am not sure it is the weakness of OVI, or planned to allow it.17:28
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: it installs terminal as well17:29
Arkenoijavispedro: just that: pair with metawatch, see notifications on the watch screen. after a while -- several hours or up to two days a first symptom occurs: an IM notification that is shown on the watch and on the standby screen on the phone gets missing from the conversation app17:29
Arkenoiand tracker-store starts draining battery and cpu cycles while maintenance utility shows it is "idle"17:30
Arkenoithen you may reboot17:30
Arkenoiif you are lucky, after reboot notification reappears and everything works17:30
Arkenoiif you are not, corrupted state persistes and everything goes, as i said, clusterfucked17:31
javispedrowhat do you do in between?17:31
javispedroI mean, during the "hours / two days"17:32
Arkenoijust nothing, using my phone as usual -- a few incoming IM (up to hundred per hour), a few SMS..17:32
Arkenoino playing with internals and guts for sure17:32
Arkenoiat least definitely nothing that can screw it up17:33
Arkenoias at least once i specially avoided touching anything17:33
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: ping =\17:35
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djszapiZogG_laptop: so are you a C programmer ?17:36
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: not really ,learning17:37
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djszapiVenemo_N950: o/17:51
Venemo_N950hey djszapi, how're you? :)17:52
ZogG_laptopVenemo_N950: hey17:53
Venemo_N950hey ZogG_laptop17:54
ZogG_laptopVenemo_N950: you forgot to build ircchatter and uplod to apps.formeego17:54
Venemo_N950ZogG, i have no computer with me17:54
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Venemo_N950and the N950 can't do that job17:55
ZogG_laptopVenemo_N950: =(17:56
Venemo_N950sorry :(17:57
ZogG_laptopand expect that sup?17:58
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Arkenoijavispedro: so no idea what can i try next?17:58
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javispedroArkenoi: Thinking how can I send myself hundreds of messages per hour..17:59
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Arkenoijavispedro: easy: enable jabber and use some service that can send you notifications via IM. for me it was juick.com18:00
Arkenoiit does not seem to be related to amount of traffic, though -- at least once there were just a ~10-15 messages per hour18:01
javispedroIf it's not related to traffic I have no idea then18:01
javispedroI get around 30 messages per day18:02
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ZogG_laptopVenemo_N950: asked what else? how are you => sup?18:17
ZogG_laptopsup=what is up18:17
Venemo_N950ZogG, oh, I'm fine thanks :) I'm happy it's weekend again18:18
Venemo_N950ZogG_laptop, and you?18:18
ZogG_laptoptomorrow i go for a week of reserve army =)18:19
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javispedroArkenoi: I just fail to see how it can be connected to Tracker18:35
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javispedroArkenoi: I just sent myself some 100 notifications using some jabber resource trickery and not a single issue18:35
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javispedroArkenoi: maybe you could run dbus-monitor the next time it happens?18:35
javispedrocommhistoryd is the only one that is connected to the notification daemon and tracker, but the protocol is absurdly simple18:36
Arkenoiwill try18:37
Venemo_N950why don't you guys port dbus-explorer?18:37
javispedroVenemo_N950: qdbus works reasonably18:38
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tarantismhi javispedro, I can't get my pulseaudio module to load on N9. Before I break it with a hacked kernel, is there a way to be sure it's Aegis causing the problem? pulseaudio reports "file not found".18:45
SpeedEvilIIRC something pops up in syslog18:46
SpeedEvilCheck that18:46
javispedroif it says file not found you can be practically sure it's not aegis ;)18:46
tarantismthat's good. I'll check.18:46
javispedroon my n950 at least module loading has not been disabled yet18:46
SpeedEvilthat too18:46
SpeedEvilyou mean pulseaudio modules?18:47
ZogG_laptopVenemo_N950: i'm going to start making GUI for my app, i would need your help =)18:47
javispedroSpeedEvil: yep, pulse18:47
Venemo_N950ZogG_laptop, I'm busy with learning physics for my monday exam, but ask and we'll try to answer18:48
tarantismhmm. nothing in syslog. I can load so it looks like it's something in my module!18:48
javispedrotarantism: what are you doing either way? just place the module in /usr/lib/pulse-*/modules and pactl load-module ?18:48
javispedrotarantism: maybe extraneous extra dependencies18:48
javispedrostrace the PA process18:49
tarantismhow do I do that?18:49
javispedro(or ldd, etc.)18:49
javispedrostrace -p 54818:49
javispedroreplace 548 with your PulseAudio's PID18:49
tarantismI get "Operation not permitted" with strace as developer or root ...18:53
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javispedrotry develsh18:54
javispedroas root preferably18:54
javispedro(THAT is aegis you're now seeing, btw)18:54
tarantismI like this phone.18:54
tarantismdevelsh doesn't help. I'm going to play with ldd18:55
tarantismahh - ligdbm18:58
tarantismgot it. Thanks javispedro.19:00
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ZogG_laptopso again harmattan sdk vs qt sdk19:10
ZogG_laptopcoz developer page says harmattan sdk19:11
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faenilevening people :)22:09
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matrixxto have themes support in harmattan, it's now possible to review ThemeChanger since there's now one custom theme23:44
matrixxwaiting for Community QA :)23:44
* matrixx ends shameless promotion23:44
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