| ZogG_laptop | me and pal nix-cyrus got big plans and no knowledge | 00:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | like we keep saying "one day, just one day" | 00:00 |
| gabriel9 | Zend Framework or Qt? | 00:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | i prefer C or maybe c++ and than to learn how to wrap it to qt gui | 00:00 |
| gabriel9 | Qt and Qt Quick are easy | 00:01 |
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| gabriel9 | take it easy you will learn | 00:01 |
| nix-cyrus | gabriel9: Zend? if is for php? | 00:01 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 00:01 |
| gabriel9 | big framework | 00:01 |
| nix-cyrus | yeah.. I saw it | 00:01 |
| gabriel9 | but it is great | 00:02 |
| gabriel9 | i was writing my own framework | 00:02 |
| gabriel9 | but one man to do that is olmost imposible | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | he just used it or coded soething for it or small part of it | 00:03 |
| nix-cyrus | gabriel9: js-coders can do that :) | 00:03 |
| gabriel9 | i also code in JS | 00:03 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 00:03 |
| nix-cyrus | :D | 00:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i don't code =( | 00:04 |
| gabriel9 | and today i hate it, 5h i spend to change something really stupid :/ | 00:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | it was just4fun or work/order? | 00:04 |
| gabriel9 | work | 00:04 |
| nix-cyrus | js doesn't have code analyzer? | 00:05 |
| gabriel9 | i don't know | 00:06 |
| gabriel9 | i'm happy with debuger :) | 00:06 |
| gabriel9 | i see i have developer folder in /home | 00:07 |
| gabriel9 | can i delete that? | 00:07 |
| nix-cyrus | gabriel9: for what? I think there are files for developer mode | 00:07 |
| gabriel9 | it have all duplicated files from my user dir and it just take space | 00:07 |
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| nix-cyrus | btw anybody here who using workflowy.com? | 00:08 |
| gabriel9 | nop, i will check it | 00:10 |
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| gabriel9 | i use Jira | 00:10 |
| gabriel9 | well my company | 00:10 |
| gabriel9 | and i try to use Wave with some of my friends developers | 00:11 |
| gabriel9 | it had nice start but it is too slow and buggy | 00:11 |
| nix-cyrus | gabriel9: wave too heavy | 00:11 |
| gabriel9 | and also that, well for me is not a problem 8GB of ram | 00:14 |
| gabriel9 | but still slow | 00:14 |
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| V13 | ehlo.. what's the indication that n950 is bricked? Does it stay forever at the 'nokia' logo ? | 00:20 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: turn off developer mode | 00:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | as i understand if you want to use n9 with qt sdk to check your apps you need another user with other permissions | 00:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i might be wrong | 00:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | V13: there is no defination, bricked is just broken+stuck - and that can happen in many ways | 00:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | so you an try to flash, to than again no backup =\ | 00:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~bricked | 00:26 |
| infobot | [bricked] a misnomer, when referring to a webos device, unless you have damaged hardware. | 00:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~brick | 00:26 |
| infobot | Send email to mailto:bootldr@handhelds.org with details if you believe that you have bricked your ipaq | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | V13: If you upgraded, it takes ages the firt time to boot | 00:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | that bot is sitting at many channels and believe me there thing they teached him you DON'T want to know | 00:27 |
| gabriel9 | ZogG i done some strange thing: SDK connection does not work when i Activate it. | 00:28 |
| gabriel9 | It does only work when i start Developer mode and restart my device | 00:28 |
| gabriel9 | also, when i login in normal mode(without developer mode ON) and then start Developer mode i can' see SDK Connection | 00:29 |
| gabriel9 | icon | 00:29 |
| gabriel9 | after i turn it off and then On i can see Icon but i cant deploy project or key to the device | 00:30 |
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| V13 | speedevil: really, so I shouldn't reflash it ? | 00:30 |
| V13 | speedevil it's there for more than 10 minutes | 00:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: simply reinstall it | 00:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | with all dependies | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | V13^wait another 20 min, then rebott. If that still fails, reflash | 00:31 |
| V13 | speedevil after finishing ugprading, it rebooted and it stayed there. Bad thing is that I did a hard reboot already | 00:31 |
| V13 | DocScrutinizer: K ... that's what I'll do | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Leave it plugged in for a while | 00:31 |
| V13 | DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil: ok.. since you two may know about this: is there a way to detect hildon-desktop's orientation on latest csu? I have drlaunch that needs to detect when orientation of screen changes and act acordingly | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | No idea, sorry. | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | V13: I seem to recall it locked up for me as well, locking screen and then unlocking it fixed that | 00:33 |
| V13 | i mean the desktop's orientation. not the device's | 00:33 |
| V13 | docs: it's waaaaay before that. it didn't even show the ripples yet. | 00:33 |
| nix-cyrus | is there any data for satellite detection preinstalled on n9? | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Satellite detection? | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, what's hapening when you press power button for a short moment? | 00:34 |
| V13 | nothing with up to 5 secs | 00:34 |
| V13 | with 10 seconds it powers off | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 00:35 |
| V13 | reflashing :) | 00:36 |
| V13 | but still, the hildon-desktop's orientation thing puzzles me. | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest a full reflash.. at least now that you have force-shutdown it | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp if it won't boot up now | 00:36 |
| V13 | it's reflashinh | 00:36 |
| nix-cyrus | SpeedEvil: yea.. for geolocation. When I just bought n9 it workds fine.. but then I have some bugs and make clear function.. it erases all preinstalled data(music,gallery,maps).. after that geolocation in maps doesn't work... it is try to find but can't do it | 00:37 |
| V13 | (note: with hildon-desktop I refer to maemo's hildon-desktop) | 00:37 |
| nix-cyrus | actually it can... but it taking so much time.. with preinstalled it can find my location in 10-20 minutes.. now it can't find me even after hour of working in background | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nix-cyrus: insert a SIM | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | connect to internet | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure you have plain view to sky and don't move the divice until it got a fix | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and use "location test gui" app to power up and watch GPS | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | err - n9? does that have location-test? | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | as maps etc are known to occasionally switch down GPS receiver after 60s without notifying you, so obviously it will take forever to get a fix then | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry scratch ALL that, wrong chan | 00:47 |
| V13 | how long does the reflash's erasing takes? | 00:49 |
| V13 | it's already 13 minutes in 'erasing' | 00:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer frowns at $>mount -> aegisfs on /home/user/.positioningd/private type fuse.aegisfs | 00:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | will take another 5 to 10 | 00:50 |
| V13 | aeg | 00:50 |
| V13 | arg | 00:50 |
| V13 | thans a lot | 00:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or it hangs :-P | 00:50 |
| V13 | xmm | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing takes less than an hour ;-.D | 00:51 |
| V13 | "tomorrow weather may include sun, fog, rain, snow and fishes dropping from the sky" | 00:51 |
| V13 | :P | 00:51 |
| V13 | wtf... it just finished :) | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 00:51 |
| V13 | (the erasing) | 00:51 |
| V13 | xm.. i wander whether it will erase user data also | 00:52 |
| V13 | wonder | 00:52 |
| V13 | yeap... it seems... | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably it will | 00:52 |
| V13 | if mmc is that :) | 00:52 |
| nix-cyrus | DocScrutinizer ok thnx try it today | 00:53 |
| V13 | yeay... ripples :) | 00:53 |
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| V13 | lets customize it one more time :) | 00:54 |
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| nix-cyrus | gn and bb all | 00:55 |
| V13 | hmm.. angry birds by default | 00:55 |
| V13 | i like that :) | 00:55 |
| V13 | on a development phone :) | 00:55 |
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| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-pagestack.html?tab=1 -> Is there way to disable the left side, not just move it to as minimal size as possible ? | 00:58 |
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| arcean | V13: could you join #maemo-ssu channel regarding h-d screen orientation problem? | 01:03 |
| V13 | of course! | 01:04 |
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| gabriel9 | just a little info for you guys: I saw folder developer in my /home dir and it have all files/folders from my user dir. I delete it and i delete all data from user with that action | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | ... I saw my data, deleted it, and then my data was deleted? | 02:34 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: known :) | 02:35 |
| gabriel9 | i saw it in developer folder | 02:36 |
| gabriel9 | i was thinking i am a user | 02:36 |
| gabriel9 | data should stay in user | 02:36 |
| djszapi | well, I disagree | 02:38 |
| djszapi | developer is the user with developer credentials. | 02:38 |
| gabriel9 | i know that too now :D | 02:38 |
| merlin1991 | gabriel9: the MyDocs "folder" in developer is actually a symlink to /home/user/MyDocs | 02:39 |
| djszapi | the user /did/ choose to be a developer | 02:39 |
| gabriel9 | :/ | 02:39 |
| gabriel9 | ok | 02:39 |
| gabriel9 | now i know :) | 02:39 |
| gabriel9 | well good night to you all | 02:39 |
| djszapi | it is not a bug, but feature | 02:40 |
| gabriel9 | 4h of sleap and then to work again | 02:40 |
| gabriel9 | yea i see now | 02:40 |
| gabriel9 | it is a good feature | 02:40 |
| djszapi | sleep well | 02:40 |
| gabriel9 | thaks | 02:40 |
| gabriel9 | you too | 02:40 |
| merlin1991 | hm the n9 is too small, whenever I look for it I miss it on my desk | 02:40 |
| djszapi | meh :D | 02:41 |
| merlin1991 | it's like some thinish black thingy lying on another big black thingy | 02:41 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 02:41 |
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| djszapi | you should have a more vivid version, like pink ;) | 02:41 |
| merlin1991 | or get new glasses, dunno :P | 02:42 |
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| macmaN | sup alls | 06:12 |
| macmaN | anyone figured out a way to connect to wifi faster than having to go through status, internet, choose connection hoopla? maemo had some shortcuts developed | 06:13 |
| macmaN | for single press connections | 06:13 |
| macmaN | some slider switch on lock screen would be nice | 06:13 |
| macmaN | but was it announced that us lowlife outsider devs wont be able to play with the lock screen on harmattan? | 06:14 |
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| dm8tbr | macmaN: press status bar, connect | 07:46 |
| z720 | i manager to connect via wpa_supplicant but the wireless icon not showing connected | 07:47 |
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| macmaN | dm8tbr: from locked screen that is about 5 steps to get connected. unacceptable methinks. | 07:47 |
| macmaN | imagine a double tap and "connect" slider. | 07:48 |
| macmaN | i think i could roll with that | 07:48 |
| macmaN | dm8tbr: its even more steps when you have an app running that hides status bar | 07:48 |
| macmaN | i.e. music player which runs 24/7 for me | 07:48 |
| dm8tbr | macmaN: I really fail to see the difference in steps between N900 and N9... Press power, slide, press status bar, press network connection. _exactly_ the same | 07:49 |
| macmaN | dm8tbr: yeah, for builtin. you could download an app that let you create connection shortcuts. | 07:50 |
| macmaN | i had my main wifi and 3g connection icons on n900 home screen, very convenvient. | 07:51 |
| dm8tbr | macmaN: well then try and write one, could be well possible on harmattan too | 07:51 |
| macmaN | yep. which is the second question, i remember seeing a writing on fmo that lock screen was off limits. | 07:52 |
| macmaN | 04:37 Texrat 17 Got my #Qt book! http://t.co/atzLwVBz <amazon.com/gp/product/143…> -- now trying to port @bobduffy's AltMegaRace to @Nokia #N9 http://t.co/Z7z73Ooi <appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/article/…> | 07:52 |
| dm8tbr | yes, you can not modify the lock screen. you have been talking about the _home_ screen so far. you are a bit inconsistent... | 07:52 |
| macmaN | n900 icons were on home screen. nobody came up with a lock screen implementation yet. my first instinct is that this could be lock screen material. | 07:53 |
| macmaN | or... possibly gesture material | 07:54 |
| dm8tbr | there is MyMoves | 07:54 |
| macmaN | are gestures recognized with locked screen | 07:54 |
| macmaN | btw i havent understood yet what exactly does the "stand by screen" switch do in device->display. | 07:55 |
| macmaN | i should look at girls n9 i screen | 07:56 |
| dm8tbr | if you have a N950 - nothing | 07:56 |
| macmaN | ok read the i screen. it is the low power amoled clock + icons? | 07:58 |
| dm8tbr | btw: mymoves does work through the lock screen, but you still need to unlock the screen after your gesture yourself | 07:58 |
| dm8tbr | also I'm not sure how to open the connections screen/application with mymoves. You might need to poke sandst1 and ask if that's possible. | 07:59 |
| macmaN | thanks for chatting with me about this, not sure when i wouldve thought of gestures otherwise | 08:04 |
| macmaN | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?229473-Bouncing-event-animation-on-N9-lock-screen | 08:05 |
| macmaN | aha ok youre already mentioned here :) thats the thread i remembered | 08:05 |
| macmaN | dm8tbr: is the thread talking about the same thing im trying to do here? i want to implement some control on top of lock screen like Music is able to. no bouncy event animation needed. | 08:08 |
| macmaN | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/how-do-i/#..._get_started.3F is a pretty good page | 08:13 |
| dm8tbr | I would expect the lock-screen to be off-limits, but who knows... | 08:14 |
| macmaN | ill post on wdnc | 08:18 |
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| gabriel9 | morning | 08:54 |
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| macmaN | thats me | 09:25 |
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| razvanpetru | does anyone have notes from Girish's QML presentation @ devdays? | 10:45 |
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| djszapi | so if anybody willing to help KDE with votes: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/10/10/help-kde-e-v-secure-funding-for-a-sprint-with-just-a-few-clicks/ :) | 11:03 |
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| macmaN | Tronic: sup dawg | 11:25 |
| macmaN | Tronic: did you thp's tweet re http://t.co/TfpJgOzm | 11:26 |
| macmaN | see* | 11:26 |
| macmaN | Tronic: made me want to check if you have part of performous that runs on harmattan yet | 11:27 |
| macmaN | any part* | 11:27 |
| Tronic | macmaN: I have pitch detection and scoring working there but rather than continuing with this partial re-implementation approach I've done mostly for testing, I'd like to have the actual Performous project compiled on MeeGo. | 11:30 |
| Tronic | Unfortunately on that I've been entirely stalled as I don't really know where to begin. | 11:30 |
| Tronic | If you have any tips, I'd like to do something about that the next weekend. | 11:30 |
| Tronic | And no, I don't follow Twitter. | 11:31 |
| matrixx | can someone give an obs pointer, how to prevent rebuild on harmattan target when modifying files that concern only meego build? | 11:31 |
| matrixx | read: spec file | 11:32 |
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| Tronic | I guess that scratchbox is the only way to go with attempting to compile Performous. For now I've been working with Qt Creator instead. | 11:32 |
| X-Fade | matrixx: You can't really. | 11:32 |
| matrixx | X-Fade: oh :/ | 11:32 |
| Tronic | The biggest problem is how to get the libraries installed and packaged properly for Store. | 11:33 |
| X-Fade | matrixx: It is probably best to create a subproject and expermiment there. | 11:33 |
| Tronic | (or for a .deb, even) | 11:33 |
| X-Fade | matrixx: And then move to your own 'stable' project when you are done. | 11:33 |
| matrixx | X-Fade: ok thanks, I'll do that for the themechanger, I'm building it for Nemo :) | 11:33 |
| Tronic | My reimplementation approach gets around that problem by only using the MeeGo API libs. | 11:34 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Arzr -> That is what is happening in the rzr project, separated projects, and only the relevant is re-triggered for build. | 11:34 |
| Tronic | While taking from Performous whatever I can. | 11:34 |
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| djszapi | aheinecke: ping | 11:34 |
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| djszapi | does one know the osc check out command for the community obs by off-hand ? | 11:37 |
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| X-Fade | osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com co home:yourproject | 11:38 |
| djszapi | not even target ? :o | 11:38 |
| poutsi | anybody have any bright ideas as to why a particular qt quick app would cause the harmattan music player to pause, and disable restarting playback until that other app has quit? | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Depends on what you want :) | 11:39 |
| poutsi | the app requests GRP::video and GRP::pulse-access and has one Audio QML element, but taking those out doesn't seem to affect it | 11:39 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: you can also add package name | 11:39 |
| djszapi | GRP::video for music player, sorry ? | 11:40 |
| poutsi | djszapi, it's not a music player | 11:40 |
| poutsi | it just causes the platform music player to pause when it starts | 11:40 |
| djszapi | so you have a video player which would desperately like to access raw /dev/video* device instead of using a high-level API ? | 11:41 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: I could get an ubuntu server for osc testing, and there is static qemu there :) | 11:41 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Hehe cool, let's see if you can reproduce the issue there. | 11:42 |
| djszapi | I hope I do not need Ui | 11:42 |
| poutsi | djszapi, multimediakit video seems to want that for getting stuff from the camera | 11:42 |
| djszapi | for testing builds.. | 11:42 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: since it is just an ssh console access | 11:42 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: nah, not needed. | 11:42 |
| djszapi | poutsi: you do not really need that. That is the responsibility of the multimediakit ... | 11:42 |
| djszapi | poutsi: same with the pulse-access... | 11:42 |
| poutsi | djszapi, if I take GRP::video out -> no picture from QCamera | 11:43 |
| poutsi | anyway | 11:43 |
| poutsi | that doesn't affect the platform music player pausing at all | 11:43 |
| poutsi | which is the real problem I have | 11:43 |
| djszapi | it is a real problem to ask for credentials you should not | 11:43 |
| djszapi | such applications should be rejected by the OVI process. | 11:44 |
| poutsi | I should clarify, it's *not* a video player either | 11:44 |
| poutsi | anyway, anybody have any clues as to why this would pause the platform player? | 11:44 |
| Tronic | macmaN: So, what was in the tweet? | 11:45 |
| macmaN | djszapi: you wouldnt happen to know about this http://goo.gl/iidTA | 11:45 |
| macmaN | Tronic: i pasted url didnt i? | 11:46 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: http://paste.kde.org/146312/ -> same with osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com co home:MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 11:46 |
| macmaN | Tronic: scratchbox install is probably a good idea indeed. re qtcreator, you simply dont know right now how to import the performous project into qt creator so it would stay intact? | 11:47 |
| djszapi | macmaN: what is the purpose of that feature ? | 11:48 |
| djszapi | double click or the button on the side works just fine | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Checkout != build | 11:49 |
| macmaN | djszapi: that just undims the screen, im talking about being able to put some control for whatever on undimmed lock screen. like music player does. | 11:49 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: I know :) | 11:49 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: so you should co home:rzr:harmattan or something like that. | 11:49 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Not the build architecture. | 11:49 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com co home:rzr:harmattan | 11:49 |
| djszapi | I used that in the paste. | 11:49 |
| djszapi | as a first try, but some password issue apparently. I opened up the ~/.oscrc on my working desktop system | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: No keyring. | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | try adding --no-keyring | 11:51 |
| djszapi | macmaN: could you please make me a screenshot about what you would like to achieve ? | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | macmaN: That needs a different aegis crendential. | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | macmaN: To display things on the lock screen. | 11:52 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: the order of the options matter in osc mmm | 11:52 |
| djszapi | --no-keyring did not work at the end, just in the beginning | 11:53 |
| macmaN | djszapi: play music on phone, lock screen while music play, unlock undim screen - music player has put back-pause-forward controls on lock screen | 11:53 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade I do not think it requires any special credentials | 11:53 |
| macmaN | X-Fade: uh, different means... "impossible to acquire" or different from what :> | 11:54 |
| djszapi | X-Fade check out /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf for the music player. | 11:54 |
| poutsi | djszapi, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Harmattan_APIs_that_require_credentials.html?tab=3&q=aegis&sp=all says that QtMobility Multimedia needs those two GRP tokens, however I'm curious about what you meant when you mentioned raw device access? | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: ScreenLockEventPublish probably | 11:54 |
| Tronic | macmaN: A Youtube video, yes. I was wondering if there was something more in the tweet. | 11:55 |
| macmaN | Tronic: ah, no. that was it. | 11:55 |
| djszapi | X-Fade interesting, the call-ui uses that only, not even the music player which even works according to the description above | 11:55 |
| djszapi | and that is not requestable from OVI after all. | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Was just guessing :) | 11:56 |
| Tronic | macmaN: re Qt Creator, I don't know how to install Harmattan versions of Boost & other libs on it. | 11:56 |
| aheinecke | djszapi: pong | 11:56 |
| djszapi | X-Fade meh the check out failed: http://paste.kde.org/146324/ | 11:56 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: could you please help me with this soprano isuse ? :) | 11:56 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: we are now in a pretty bad shape for the sprint on Friday yet :) | 11:56 |
| djszapi | soprano breaks -> kdelibs breaks -> runtime breaks -> kdeedu breaks and so on :) | 11:57 |
| macmaN | Tronic: ah hmm, good point | 11:57 |
| macmaN | Tronic: so mostly dependency questions to start huh | 11:57 |
| macmaN | Tronic: before we even get to performous itself | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: try to only checkout what you actually need? | 11:57 |
| djszapi | poutsi: you are not QtMobility Multimedia... | 11:57 |
| Tronic | macmaN: Overall, it seems easier to reimplement as there it is simply a matter of effort. However, actually compiling Performous would have huge benefits as then a lot of graphical gimmicks are already implemented. | 11:57 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: that is a workaround. However if I see a problem, I would like to understand ;-) | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: I think a disconnect or so. | 11:58 |
| Tronic | ... but when recompiling, there are too many unknown and undocumented variables to the equation. | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: It got an empty response. | 11:58 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: again meego.org ? :) | 11:58 |
| djszapi | or com or whatever ;-) | 11:58 |
| djszapi | downsite.com :) | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: just try again? | 11:58 |
| Tronic | It's a similar problem as porting to Windows was the first time. | 11:59 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: http://paste.kde.org/146330/ | 11:59 |
| djszapi | poutsi: I told you what raw device access means ;-) | 11:59 |
| djszapi | what is not clear about that ? | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: keyring :) | 11:59 |
| djszapi | meh.. | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | Read you must :) | 12:00 |
| djszapi | the problem is that I am not sure corkscrew could work for scp behind the Nokia proxy :) | 12:00 |
| djszapi | ssh worked...but scp does not apparently have such an option | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Just tunnel out then? | 12:00 |
| djszapi | in ssh config ? | 12:01 |
| djszapi | I think that was my first try last year, but did not work for a reason. | 12:01 |
| aheinecke | djszapi: i'll have to try it in my scratchbox the find stuff in soprano is really not verbose at all :/ I think the VERSION_VAR (missing: REQUIRED_VARS) come from find raptor | 12:01 |
| poutsi | djszapi, the fact remains, that if I take out GRP::video and the app doesn't get a picture from QCamera | 12:01 |
| poutsi | s/ and/,/ | 12:01 |
| infobot | poutsi meant: djszapi, the fact remains, that if I take out GRP::video, the app doesn't get a picture from QCamera | 12:01 |
| djszapi | poutsi: try to figure out the problem. You should not request those caps after all | 12:01 |
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| djszapi | if you really use the mmk perfectly. | 12:01 |
| andymkay | hello gentlemen | 12:02 |
| veli | djszapi: scp works with corkscrew from nokia. | 12:02 |
| poutsi | well, my reading of the harmattan security guide is quite different, but nevermind | 12:02 |
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| djszapi | veli: that is what I use for ssh: http://paste.kde.org/146336/ | 12:03 |
| djszapi | poutsi: you either read it wrong, or the description is bad we did. | 12:03 |
| djszapi | poutsi: please link it. | 12:03 |
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| poutsi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Harmattan_APIs_that_require_credentials.html?tab=3&q=aegis&sp=all | 12:03 |
| poutsi | This section lists all Harmattan APIs and Qt Declarative modules that require security credentials. | 12:03 |
| poutsi | then, with "QtMobility Multimedia" it lists GRP::pulse-access and GRP::video | 12:04 |
| djszapi | poutsi: yes, so ? | 12:04 |
| djszapi | it is not bad description, you read it wrong | 12:04 |
| poutsi | surely this documentation is not meant for whoever implemented Qt Mobility? | 12:04 |
| djszapi | QtMobility Multimedia requests those caps | 12:04 |
| veli | djszapi: "ProxyCommand /usr/bin/corkscrew 192.168.220.5 8080 %h %p" | 12:04 |
| djszapi | check out /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf | 12:04 |
| djszapi | poutsi: you do not need to re-request those again | 12:04 |
| djszapi | QtMobility Multimedia does the boilerplate thing for you. | 12:05 |
| veli | but at least at some point nokia proxy did not let you to connect to port 22.. So on remote server you need to have sshd running in different port... | 12:05 |
| djszapi | veli: that is not an scp command :) | 12:05 |
| djszapi | as for ssh, -o manages that. | 12:05 |
| veli | djszapi: that is from my .ssh/config and works.. | 12:06 |
| djszapi | veli: I would like to have an alias, not bloat my ssh config | 12:06 |
| djszapi | I use this laptop at home, too ... | 12:06 |
| djszapi | and things like that would break things at home ... | 12:07 |
| djszapi | Hence, I prefer aliases... | 12:07 |
| veli | djszapi: no it won't if you put alias to your .ssh/config | 12:07 |
| veli | but suit your self... | 12:07 |
| djszapi | well, projects.kde.org tunneling in ssh config does break the kde repository intervention at home | 12:07 |
| djszapi | and I always need to do manual overhead when I arrive home. | 12:08 |
| veli | djszapi: Host my_host_from_nokia\n\tHostname 1.2.3.4\n\tProxyCommand /usr/bin/corkscrew 192.168.220.5 8080 %h %p | 12:08 |
| djszapi | and there is no simple way of switching ssh config profiles automatically (there is no simple logic for that) | 12:08 |
| veli | then: scp file.txt user@my_host_from_nokia: | 12:09 |
| razvanpetru | is harmattan code completion working for anyone? for me it's always been broken even with a freshly installed sdk | 12:09 |
| djszapi | veli: are you on the internal channel ? | 12:09 |
| razvanpetru | programming like 1995... | 12:09 |
| veli | djszapi: no. | 12:09 |
| djszapi | anyway, I need alias. | 12:09 |
| razvanpetru | code completion can't even find the Qt headers... | 12:09 |
| veli | but /msg works here too. | 12:09 |
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| poutsi | djszapi, looking at restok.conf I'm again a bit confused. It lists many binary packages like camera-ui that request e.g. GRP::pulse-access. Now by your explanation this means that camera-ui does not use Qt to access the camera, but instead uses raw device access, right? Because if it used Qt, it wouldn't need those caps? | 12:12 |
| poutsi | s/pulse-access/video/ | 12:12 |
| infobot | poutsi meant: djszapi, looking at restok.conf I'm again a bit confused. It lists many binary packages like camera-ui that request e.g. GRP::video. Now by your explanation this means that camera-ui does not use Qt to access the camera, but instead uses raw device access... | 12:12 |
| veli | djszapi: anyhow, -o should take the same format. Wonder what weird ssh client you are using. | 12:12 |
| djszapi | poutsi: well, pulse-access is not for raw access... | 12:13 |
| djszapi | I have never said... | 12:13 |
| djszapi | that is for video... | 12:13 |
| poutsi | note the correction | 12:13 |
| djszapi | poutsi: also, note that, many system applications do not really use the sec fw well | 12:13 |
| djszapi | even if we shouted at them in time | 12:13 |
| djszapi | veli: weird ssh client :D :D | 12:14 |
| djszapi | it is called "openssh" | 12:14 |
| andymkay | I'm looking at the list of firmwares for 20.2011.40.4 from Nokia "Production External" via NaviFirm Plus. However there is nothing for my code (Sweden). Anyone know of another repository of firmwares, or do I just have to wait for Nokia? | 12:14 |
| veli | djszapi: that is what I have. | 12:14 |
| veli | djszapi: so the proxycommand I had for you should work.. | 12:14 |
| djszapi | andymkay: NaviFirm is completely illegal | 12:14 |
| macmaN | X-Fade: Package: music-suite doesnt seem to be requesting any credentials that affect lock screen. so djszapi seems to be right about it not being some special operation. | 12:14 |
| veli | djszapi: that was kind a the point of "weird ssh client" comment. | 12:15 |
| poutsi | anyway, getting sidetracked in a big way | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | macmaN: Hmm interesting. | 12:16 |
| djszapi | veli: does not really work with scp ... | 12:16 |
| djszapi | is there a public site I can upload my pub ssh key and using wget on the server side ? | 12:16 |
| djszapi | some free file sharing stuff :D | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: paste? | 12:17 |
| djszapi | X-Fade good point ;) | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: It is text, you know :) | 12:17 |
| djszapi | yup :) | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | Or write it on a paper and type it all in :D | 12:17 |
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| veli | djszapi: just tried it. Works like a charm. | 12:18 |
| djszapi | veli: I can paste my output in a few minutes | 12:19 |
| veli | djszapi: OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-4ubuntu5 | 12:19 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: id_rsa.pub right ? Did, still the same issue | 12:19 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: do I need to check out the whole repository again without the --no-keyring ? | 12:19 |
| djszapi | do I also need this authorized_keys ? | 12:20 |
| veli | djszapi: seems to work to port 22 too nowadays. Tried two different target hosts. Works perfectly. | 12:20 |
| djszapi | veli: it even worked one and half a year ago :D | 12:20 |
| veli | djszapi: did you even try with my proxycommand line? | 12:21 |
| veli | djszapi: haven't had the need to try. | 12:21 |
| andymkay | djszapi: Could you elaborate on NaviFirm being illegal? As I understand it is legal firmwares directly from Nokia. | 12:21 |
| djszapi | andymkay: because they publish images before Nokia does that ? | 12:22 |
| djszapi | and if Nokia publishes it, why not use that ? | 12:22 |
| djszapi | veli: http://paste.kde.org/146348/ | 12:23 |
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| veli | djszapi: -o needs to be firs after ssh: ssh -o "" from to | 12:25 |
| djszapi | nope | 12:25 |
| djszapi | that is not true | 12:25 |
| djszapi | it always worked at the end for ssh actually. | 12:26 |
| djszapi | for scp, it seems to be true though | 12:26 |
| andymkay | djszapi: Ok, I didn't know that. I thought it was just a tool that connected to a public nokia service. | 12:27 |
| veli | x) not true but true! | 12:27 |
| djszapi | veli, it is not true for ssh that you said. | 12:27 |
| macmaN | Tronic: would http://goo.gl/XZ89V suggest that boost in theory is buildable for harmattan | 12:27 |
| djszapi | it is true for scp, you did not say ;0 | 12:27 |
| deram | "man scp" shows the correct order of options and arguments | 12:27 |
| djszapi | veli: thanks for such a hint though | 12:28 |
| Tronic | macmaN: I would find it very strange if it wasn't. | 12:28 |
| macmaN | Tronic: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=27796 | 12:28 |
| Tronic | macmaN: Well, Aegis could pose a problem of course, but I doubt even that being an issue here. | 12:28 |
| djszapi | deram: already fixed ;) | 12:28 |
| deram | djszapi: yep.. just read... | 12:29 |
| Tronic | macmaN: Most of Boost is simply standard C++, anyway. The rest is standard POSIX APIs, and GCC has been well tested with Boost, obviously. | 12:29 |
| macmaN | Tronic: that fmo thread actually has the package built on cobs, thats excellent. i should look at the rest of the performous deps. | 12:29 |
| veli | djszapi: yeah, that was a typo. you don't have from and to with ssh too.. | 12:29 |
| Tronic | macmaN: Some of the other libraries might prove to be more problematic, SDL + GLEW in particular. | 12:30 |
| Arkenoi | more WONTFIX'es from nokia | 12:30 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: same after copying the whole ~/.ssh/ folder to the server :/ http://paste.kde.org/146354/ | 12:30 |
| Tronic | macmaN: Almost certainly requires some OpenGL rewriting. | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: osc doesn't use ssh? | 12:31 |
| Tronic | I won't have time to work on that until the weekend, though :/ | 12:31 |
| djszapi | osc: then what keyring ? :o | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: This is just because on your desktop you used gnome keyring to store the key and that is recorded in that .oscrc file. | 12:31 |
| djszapi | the server does not have oscrc | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | .oscrc, it is a file in your home. | 12:32 |
| djszapi | that is created without the keyring, if I use the --no-keyring. As we previously saw, soprano check out was not still possible. :/ | 12:32 |
| macmaN | Tronic: thats fine, just trying to get some mindshare until then :> | 12:32 |
| djszapi | so what is wrong about the workflow ? | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Don't run it as root. | 12:33 |
| djszapi | I did not | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: I see sudo :) | 12:33 |
| djszapi | poutsi: GRP::pulse-access -> Access to the Pulseaudio daemon. Note that the user "user" is already in this group, so this is only relevant when running processes under some other user account. | 12:33 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: in the first link too ? | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Live in the now :) | 12:34 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: that is boring :p | 12:34 |
| X-Fade | hmm with an f even. | 12:34 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: http://paste.kde.org/146360/ | 12:34 |
| djszapi | ls -lda /home/lpapp/.oscrc | 12:35 |
| djszapi | -rw------- 1 root root 4933 2011-11-15 02:34 /home/lpapp/.oscrc | 12:35 |
| djszapi | meh | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: You have messed up permissions :) | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: This is just basic linux stuff, really :) | 12:35 |
| poutsi | djszapi, alright, thanks, so I shouldn't need it then even if I have my Audio QML element? | 12:35 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: actually, same error: http://paste.kde.org/146366/ | 12:35 |
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| X-Fade | djszapi: --no-keyring | 12:36 |
| djszapi | poutsi: if your program does not run as user, and does not use some high-level interface which already requests those.. | 12:36 |
| poutsi | ok | 12:36 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: can I configure it properly to avoid the --no-keyring every single time ? | 12:37 |
| djszapi | probably an alias, but osc configuration in the oscrc would be better. | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: I think so, by editing .oscrc. But ask on the opensuse-buildservice channel about that if needed. | 12:37 |
| djszapi | because I need it before each single osc operation, even build, commit and the like | 12:38 |
| poutsi | now we're getting somewhere.. after removing all traces of multimedia, playback doesn't pause any more | 12:39 |
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| poutsi | let's get incremental | 12:39 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade how to build this build package ? http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/xUbuntu_11.04/build_2011.10.10.orig.tar.gz The README does not mention anything useful | 12:45 |
| djszapi | I do not even have "build" package available on this ubuntu | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: it is a perl script iirc. | 12:46 |
| djszapi | just make install ? | 12:46 |
| djszapi | yeah, it seems so ... probably should be mentioned in the README .. | 12:47 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/xUbuntu_11.04/all/build_2011.10.10-1_all.deb | 12:47 |
| X-Fade | Why don't you just use the deb? :) | 12:47 |
| djszapi | did not see.. | 12:47 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: http://paste.kde.org/146372/ | 12:48 |
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| X-Fade | djszapi: No idea? Bug in osc? Or something missing in .oscrc? | 12:50 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: no real clue ;-) | 12:51 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: is it expected to spend 10-15 minutes here without any progressbar or even more ? http://paste.kde.org/146378/ | 13:02 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: ok, worked after another 15 minutes. Is there an option for telling osc to execute only the steps until the real "make", build stage ? | 13:16 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: No, but ctrl-c works. | 13:17 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: for sure if I can pay attention.. btw this "No AEGIS_HASH_FDS environment" spam is really annoying | 13:18 |
| djszapi | can I test the fix on my local PC at least ? | 13:18 |
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| X-Fade | djszapi: You can play with the project conf yes. | 13:19 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: where is that ? | 13:19 |
| macmaN | sidenote: harmattan doesn't have any builtin vpn capability? | 13:20 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: look around in /var/tmp/osbuild-packagecache/* | 13:21 |
| djszapi | macmaN: imho, it does have, but not thorough | 13:21 |
| macmaN | djszapi: wdym? apt-cache search vpn gives empty | 13:22 |
| dm8tbr | there is support for tun/tap, the question is which caps you'd need and if you could get them if you'd go and port openvpn | 13:22 |
| djszapi | macmaN: you can run vpn imho without too much expectation | 13:23 |
| djszapi | someone needs to package, but not builtin packaged, no | 13:23 |
| djszapi | but it has builtin capabilities for the operation | 13:23 |
| macmaN | djszapi: right thats what i wanted to confirm. yeah dm8tbr tun/tap i know. so actual operational capability is still undone. | 13:25 |
| macmaN | i will try hacking on openvpn for a bit now | 13:26 |
| macmaN | see what happens | 13:26 |
| djszapi | macmaN: actually all you need to do is to check out the available credentials in develsh ... | 13:27 |
| djszapi | and then /usr/include/linux/capability.h is yoru friend for description. | 13:27 |
| djszapi | and then you can immediately see what "builtin capabilities" you have. | 13:27 |
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| poutsi | heh, just created a new qt quick app with qtc wizard, added mobility and multimedia, added "QCamera *cam = new QCamera(); cam->start();" to main.cpp and got the same behaviour | 14:04 |
| poutsi | that's pretty funny | 14:04 |
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| djszapi | poutsi: send me the project and the package pls ... | 14:05 |
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| poutsi | alright, sec | 14:05 |
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| petteri | new harmattan bugzilla seem to have wrong authors on the cloned bugs | 14:13 |
| Corsac | new harmattan bugzilla? | 14:14 |
| petteri | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2011/11/15/nokia-n9-now-has-a-bugzilla-of-its-own | 14:15 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: use_keyring = 0 in the general section :) | 14:21 |
| djszapi | poutsi: reproducing steps pls.. | 14:25 |
| poutsi | created a bug for the playback issue: https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-1953 | 14:25 |
| poutsi | ...with steps | 14:26 |
| djszapi | okay, I do not bother then | 14:27 |
| Corsac | nice certificate... | 14:29 |
| poutsi | aw crud. now I don't know if I should've opened in harmattan-bugs instead | 14:31 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: where do you configure to use dpkg ? | 14:32 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: because if you use aegis-install as it is actually run on the phone, the spam line is going away. | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Yes, but it diverts dpkg-real or so and then things started to break. Last time I tested at least. | 14:40 |
| djszapi | without using the dpkg wrapper, imho the whole system is broken | 14:40 |
| djszapi | since it lacks basic information, credentials, capabilities, hash entries and many other things which are needed in the target environment. | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, look at the project config. | 14:41 |
| djszapi | where is that ? | 14:41 |
| djszapi | X-Fade ^ | 14:43 |
| X-Fade | checking where those files get cached locally. | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: check .osc/_buildconfig-Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard-armv7el | 14:47 |
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| X-Fade | djszapi: In dir where you run the build. | 14:47 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: ls: cannot access .osc/_buildconfig-Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard-armv7el: No such file or directory | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: look a bit around in your dir. | 14:48 |
| djszapi | _buildconfig-MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard-armv7el | 14:48 |
| djszapi | maybe that one | 14:48 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: ahh I see yoru stuff there: #Preinstall: libaegis-certman0 aegis-install libaegis-crypto1 aegis-crypto-tools | 14:50 |
| djszapi | #Runscripts: aegis-install | 14:50 |
| djszapi | your* :) | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Yeah, that is where the fun started :) | 14:51 |
| djszapi | well, let me figure out with my colleague ... | 14:51 |
| djszapi | or in worst case scenarios, with my colleagues | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | That would be great. | 14:51 |
| djszapi | well, those lines did not eliminate the spam though | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | They do, once it gets installed. | 14:52 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: sorry, but that file is auto-generated ... | 14:53 |
| djszapi | so even if I modify it, it gets those uncommented again for the next run .. | 14:54 |
| djszapi | commented* | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | Yeah that is a problem. I wonder how to circumvent that. | 14:54 |
| djszapi | well, where is the global config ? | 14:54 |
| djszapi | on the c-obs server ? | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | If you change that, builds break for everybody. | 14:55 |
| djszapi | except that if there is a test service | 14:55 |
| djszapi | which should be anyway for any testings. | 14:55 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, that needs to be setup still. | 14:56 |
| RST38h | AEGIS! AEGIS! | 14:56 |
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| djszapi | so anybody interested in 3d audio qt library based on top of openal and Qt ? | 15:10 |
| djszapi | it is meant mostly for games. | 15:10 |
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| macmaN | show me a compelling use cae | 15:14 |
| macmaN | case* | 15:14 |
| djszapi | gluon audio, qt3d | 15:14 |
| djszapi | game enabler | 15:15 |
| macmaN | i mean an example that you could experience it with | 15:15 |
| macmaN | i have no idea right now what the result will feel like | 15:15 |
| macmaN | in my ears, i guess | 15:15 |
| djszapi | play a gluon a game :) | 15:15 |
| djszapi | a gluon game* :) | 15:15 |
| macmaN | http://gluon.gamingfreedom.org/ this? | 15:16 |
| djszapi | http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/OpenAL%20Wiki/Games.aspx -> here you can find "a few" games using openal :) | 15:16 |
| macmaN | hmmm, its like i heard somebody talking about in one of the helsinki meego meetups | 15:17 |
| djszapi | probably me :) | 15:18 |
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| RST38h | djszapi: is it going to be a Windows library? | 15:19 |
| macmaN | djszapi: ok it was possibly you that i was walking out of the amsterdami oluthuone then :> im the 2m+ .ee guy | 15:25 |
| djszapi | mmm, that was not me then ... | 15:26 |
| djszapi | I was there only after the qt meetup.. | 15:26 |
| macmaN | yes, it was qt meetup! | 15:27 |
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| macmaN | but lot of the same guys anyhow | 15:28 |
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| djszapi | macmaN: http://www.meetup.com/QtEverywhere/Helsinki-FI/263801/ ? | 15:29 |
| macmaN | yep lol im dissing maxinetti wifi there in the comments | 15:30 |
| djszapi | macmaN: you missed the qt meetup last Friday ? :) | 15:31 |
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| macmaN | well im in tallinn right now | 15:34 |
| baptx | hello, can someone help fix /home/user/.signon folder? (Twitter/Facebook clients dead) | 15:34 |
| macmaN | but in the process of finding some interesting linux job in .fi | 15:34 |
| macmaN | for which i havent seached for yet | 15:35 |
| macmaN | Elleo: you around? | 15:37 |
| macmaN | what happened to repo.pub.meego.com | 15:37 |
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| djszapi | nothing, works oob | 15:37 |
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| macmaN | oh. youre right | 15:37 |
| macmaN | duh nm, i confused with sheerwater for filemanager's pre-store source | 15:38 |
| macmaN | djszapi: how much would you hate some annoyingly newb questions right now | 15:38 |
| macmaN | such as how do i check available credentials of develsh | 15:39 |
| djszapi | accli -I | 15:39 |
| baptx | Someone knows how to delete my corrupted .signon folder (aegis) | 15:40 |
| baptx | ? | 15:40 |
| djszapi | sorry, but what aegis ? | 15:40 |
| djszapi | it is a simple linux deletion operation ... | 15:41 |
| baptx | I found the same problem here http://ibot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/20111111.html.gz | 15:41 |
| djszapi | use the channel log in topic and proper permalinks to the relevant post(s) | 15:41 |
| baptx | We can't delete /home/user/.signon with with rm -f | 15:41 |
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| macmaN | oo, interesting cap list | 15:42 |
| djszapi | baptx: could do without any issues | 15:42 |
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| baptx | 06:17.33jonniCorsac: if your device asks for account passwords everytime, then your OTA updated corrupted /home/user/.signon, fixable by rm -rf /home/user/.signon and recreating accounts | 15:43 |
| baptx | 06:23.04jonniCorsac: as root, rm `apscli -s signon-private:Se -lu` | 15:43 |
| djszapi | I do not understand the problem ... | 15:44 |
| Corsac | baptx: that command won't return anything though | 15:44 |
| djszapi | owned by user | 15:44 |
| djszapi | user can remove it. | 15:44 |
| baptx | Sorry but I'm searching why I cannot with Twitter client | 15:45 |
| Elleo | macmaN: yep? | 15:45 |
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| baptx | *cannot connect | 15:45 |
| baptx | it seems .signon folder is corrupted and I cannot delete it... | 15:46 |
| macmaN | Elleo: no nm :> your repo works fine | 15:46 |
| macmaN | Elleo: im about to try to execute openvpn | 15:46 |
| macmaN | well, apt-get install it first | 15:46 |
| macmaN | on pr1.1 | 15:46 |
| Corsac | note that removing .signon without deleting accounts leads to surprising results | 15:48 |
| Corsac | the accounts are still there, but it asks me to sign in to "" | 15:48 |
| djszapi | that is not a surprise actually :) | 15:48 |
| djszapi | if you remove the signon :) | 15:48 |
| macmaN | djszapi: accli -b /usr/bin/openvpn is the eventual goal? | 15:48 |
| Corsac | well, it's a surprise that the accounts are still there :) | 15:48 |
| Corsac | djszapi: should I first remove the accounts? | 15:49 |
| baptx | hello corsac, the problem has just started when I've deleted my twitter account! | 15:49 |
| djszapi | macmaN: what is your goal ? | 15:49 |
| macmaN | (requires tcb) means adding the harmattan sdk repo i guess | 15:49 |
| macmaN | djszapi: find out what caps openvpn requires | 15:49 |
| baptx | I'm on PR1.0 and want to find a fix before updating | 15:50 |
| djszapi | macmaN: study the openvpn source code | 15:50 |
| djszapi | or use binary scanners like OVI does. The Linux kernel is a good reference for that, and systemtap | 15:50 |
| macmaN | hmmm | 15:50 |
| macmaN | accli --help shows | 15:51 |
| macmaN | -b <filename> to show or test the credentials of a binary (requires tcb) | 15:51 |
| macmaN | that sounds exactly like what i want | 15:51 |
| djszapi | that does sound exactly what you never want | 15:51 |
| macmaN | :) | 15:52 |
| macmaN | oh the confusionz | 15:52 |
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| macmaN | oh, tcb is some uber token | 15:55 |
| macmaN | i thought it was some external util | 15:55 |
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| Elleo | macmaN: good luck :) | 15:57 |
| djszapi | can someone give the output of this command please ? dpkg -l system-softwares | 15:58 |
| djszapi | dpkg -l system-services* | 15:58 |
| djszapi | dpkg -s system-services | grep Version -> or just this one | 15:59 |
| macmaN | # dpkg -s system-services | grep Version | 15:59 |
| macmaN | Version: 0.235+0m6 | 15:59 |
| djszapi | X-Fade ^ | 15:59 |
| Corsac | djszapi: so, any idea> | 16:00 |
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| Corsac | X-Fade: btw, in Apps For Meego app, could there be an “All” category? | 16:00 |
| djszapi | Corsac: any idea for what ? | 16:00 |
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| X-Fade | Corsac: You didn't run update today, now did you? | 16:01 |
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| Corsac | X-Fade: hmhm, at least it didn't (yet) warn me | 16:01 |
| Corsac | there was an upgrade yesterday night though | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: do a manual update then, I pushed a new version this morning. | 16:01 |
| Corsac | djszapi: about what is the correct procedure (besides removing .signon folder) to bring back normal behavior (correctly remembering the accounts passwords) | 16:02 |
| djszapi | no clue since I have never had such an issue | 16:02 |
| Corsac | ha | 16:02 |
| Corsac | interesting, the recreated .signon folder is 777 while the original one was 771 | 16:05 |
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| Corsac | X-Fade: I upgraded Apps4Meego, and there's still no “All” category that I can see | 16:41 |
| djszapi | fiferboy o/ | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: 0.9.5 has all. | 16:42 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: Hi | 16:42 |
| Corsac | hmhm, when you told me to upgrade, only 0.9.4 was available :) | 16:42 |
| * Corsac re-upgrades | 16:43 | |
| djszapi | fiferboy: long time no seen you :) | 16:44 |
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| fiferboy | djszapi: Yeah, real life got in the way :/ | 16:45 |
| fiferboy | In a good way, though | 16:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:47 |
| Corsac | X-Fade: thanks, works fine :) | 16:54 |
| nid0 | I had a new icon randomly appear in my apps list last night/this morning, its a white downarrow with a horizontal line under it, has no text description, does nothing, and cant be directly deleted - any clues what it might be? | 16:55 |
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| Ech_ | Hi | 17:11 |
| Ech_ | I'm trying to get .log to html setup using the irclog2html.py thats used here. | 17:12 |
| Ech_ | Anyone familiar with it able to help me out? | 17:13 |
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| Piru | http://sintonen.fi/pics/n9a.jpg :P | 17:27 |
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| gri | Piru: This looks infected, reflash it :) | 17:31 |
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| Piru | http://sintonen.fi/pics/n9.jpg all better now, well sort of ;) | 17:34 |
| decibyte | haha! yikes. | 17:35 |
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| Ech_ | Figured it out.. Had to use the full path :-P | 17:38 |
| Ech_ | Have fun with the Nokia's :) | 17:39 |
| Ech_ | See ya | 17:39 |
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| Arkenoi | any metawatch users here? | 17:40 |
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| deram | Piru: which api are you using to get those? | 17:41 |
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| Arkenoi | hmm, seems that my phone does not play flac anymore -- could i miss some sotware package? which one? | 17:47 |
| Arkenoi | it used to play with generic media player | 17:48 |
| Arkenoi | i did restore form earlier backup then so something might be missing | 17:48 |
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| Arkenoi | hmm, libflac8 seems to be present, but it does not play nor does it index | 17:55 |
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| rm_work | hey, anyone here speak french? | 18:01 |
| nix-cyrus | no parle france, pardon :) that's all I know | 18:02 |
| rm_work | lol | 18:03 |
| Corsac | rm_work: same :) | 18:04 |
| cos^ | vin rouge s'il vous plaît | 18:04 |
| rm_work | :) | 18:06 |
| rm_work | Corsac helped me out :) | 18:06 |
| rm_work | thanks | 18:06 |
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| pinheiro | </html>' | 18:16 |
| pinheiro | aegis-loader: Failed loading policy for 'timetogo::/opt/TimeToGo/bin/TimeToGo' | 18:16 |
| pinheiro | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process | 18:16 |
| pinheiro | aegis-installing timetogo (from '') | 18:16 |
| pinheiro | Package timetogo: denied 'mce::TKLockControl' -- origin '' does not allow it | 18:16 |
| pinheiro | Package timetogo: denied 'mce::TKLockControl' for '/opt/TimeToGo/bin/TimeToGo' -- origin '' does not allow it | 18:16 |
| pinheiro | aegis-loader: Failed loading policy for 'timetogo::/opt/TimeT | 18:16 |
| pinheiro | sory for spam but | 18:16 |
| pinheiro | any idea? | 18:16 |
| frals | pkill pkgmgrd to get rid of "status database area is locked by another process" usually works for me | 18:18 |
| pinheiro | thanks | 18:18 |
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| Piru | deram: just using http://n9-apps.com/lpmcustomizer | 18:50 |
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| shreya | Hi my N950 is stuck at the Nokia screen after update.... | 18:55 |
| shreya | why?What to do? | 18:56 |
| shreya | please help | 19:00 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: meh, my wp application was declined because I did not provide enough information :) | 19:05 |
| RST38h | Samsung's Bada outshipped WinPho 7 in Q3. Android ahead of all; Symbian ahead of Apple. | 19:05 |
| Corsac | we all know Maemo6 was way above everything | 19:06 |
| Corsac | wait. | 19:06 |
| RST38h | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/15/samsung_bada_outshipped_microsoft_windows_phone_in_q3/ | 19:06 |
| RST38h | (watch the Android share and weep) | 19:06 |
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| nix-cyrus | Maemo in Others?) | 19:09 |
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| RST38h | Maemo in Void. | 19:09 |
| ieatlint | notice the comment on that page though, "CEO Tim Cook's company will take a staggering 66 per cent of the profit made by the world smartphone industry in 2011." ... even android is weeping at that | 19:10 |
| ieatlint | although i wonder if that accounts for google's advertising income | 19:11 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: if you want a phone that badly, just watch for wp events hosted by nokia... they'll end up handing phones out at some of those i bet | 19:11 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: I do not really care :) | 19:12 |
| ieatlint | yeah, it's just going to be anticlimactic | 19:13 |
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| ieatlint | i'm tired of the MS reps, who have this annoying charisma and seem thoroughly convinced they've invented a masterpiece | 19:13 |
| ieatlint | i just see poor explanations, restrictive dev environment (worse than aegis :P), and a distracting UI filled with blinking/shifting "tiles" | 19:15 |
| djszapi | as I said: worse or not, windows is a gaming platform. We do not have too much other choice than trying to investigate. | 19:17 |
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| gabriel9 | hai | 19:37 |
| djszapi | X-Fade pingy :) | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | so, Nokia's claiming the N950 back and are sending me another one tomorrow | 19:47 |
| djszapi | same issue locally about soprano .. | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: hahah. :/ | 19:47 |
| RST38h | The DOJ will tell Congress that it wants to make it a prosecutable offense to violate a site's terms of service. You know, that thing no one ever reads, but we all agree too. | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | why? lemme paste that | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: insane. | 19:48 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: ??? | 19:48 |
| E0x_ | MohammadAG: why they are doing that ? | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | sec, lemme paste the bit Israel sent me | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bvrkuGNA | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Does the phone actually have a licence? | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I remember it was approved in the US. | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | so I forwarded that to Nokia and he replied to DHL Finland requesting the device back | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | he told me they'll send me another device tomorrow | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: bwahahaha incredible | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | hopefully since there are no holidays till 26/12, this one will arrive soon | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | As in Friday/Sunday | 19:50 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: ahhahahahaha | 19:51 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Maybe it is easier to ship to Palestine instead? =) | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, hmm, didn't think of that | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | jordan | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG | but I think walking to Finland's faster | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, they'll "lose" it and you'll find it in some store for 10k | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin easy to ship, impossible to get to final destination | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG | that's how Jordan works anyway | 19:52 |
| RST38h | sounds familiar | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG | well no, Israel has its reasons | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: nah, what you know is more alike IL customs | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG | they made up FCC-like stuff | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG | the whole delay was so they could code the website | 19:52 |
| Sput | MohammadAG: so the second device will make it through, they hope? | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 19:53 |
| RST38h | Doc: "Losing" stuff is very characteristic of the Russian Post | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | Sput, I'm sure it will | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | and I must say, they're slow, http://www.moc.gov.il/8-he/MOC.aspx | 19:53 |
| RST38h | Doc: As to customs, DHL isn't even delivering to .RU any more | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | seriously, that's bad coding for a month | 19:53 |
| Sput | MohammadAG: how come? does the second device have a proper license? | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | Sput, no, but there's no holiday where the device could get lost | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | I already got one N950, and returned it | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ooh, so now they stopped completely? | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | also according to the list there's someone else in Israel who got an N950 | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | so clearly it was admitted in twice | 19:54 |
| Sput | oook | 19:54 |
| RST38h | Doc: No point to, given that customs usually require 70-100% of the item price in fees | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | but this time there was a jewish 2 week holiday between the time it reached Israel and the time it was supposed to reach me | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ep | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | so it got lost in sorting somehow and ended up in the IL FCC | 19:54 |
| djszapi | so any cmake and pkg-config superlord here ? | 19:54 |
| RST38h | Doc: EMS is the only sane way nowadays | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, weird | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | I was taxed 200% once | 19:55 |
| RST38h | Doc: they have got preferential treatment | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | and apparently 17% of something that has a price of 0 is not 0 | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever is EMS | 19:55 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: they tried that with me as well once, I told them to send the item back, I do not care | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | as in, 17% of 0 != 0 | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | remind me why I'm going to uni here again | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | extremely mean smuggling? | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, I refused to pay | 19:55 |
| ieatlint | well.. this morning i've learnt that even if n950 is off, if an alarm is set, it will turn on to sound it, and then immediately turn off again once the alarm is stopped | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | the item was with me | 19:56 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: because nobody else is admitting you? =) | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, well no, because I actually didn't apply anywhere :p | 19:56 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: because you love the country, the people, and the culture? 8) | 19:56 |
| Sput | ieatlint: many phones do that, but apparently the Lumia fails at that | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | I only applied to the technion, biggest gamble in my llife | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | life | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, I also love the security and fast shipping services | 19:56 |
| Sput | or, Windows Phone | 19:56 |
| RST38h | Doc: Nah, just another private postal service | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | Lumia FTW | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | when are we getting it? | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: that's how it's supposed to work | 19:57 |
| MohammadAG | that way I can tell customs to swap my N950 for it | 19:57 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: You can still transfer to somewhere | 19:57 |
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| MohammadAG | imagine if some Nokia pissed off engineer rigged all Lumias | 19:57 |
| MohammadAG | and they'll all exploded at some point | 19:57 |
| Sput | nah, different teams | 19:57 |
| MohammadAG | and he'll laugh and laugh and laugh | 19:57 |
| Sput | the guys with reason to be pissed are probably not working in the Lumia teams :) | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sput: hookes don't wake you, they lift your purse and watch and sneak out | 19:58 |
| Sput | I've seen some people using that phone, I wasn't impressed | 19:58 |
| Sput | the hardware is worse than the N9's | 19:58 |
| Sput | and the UI looks like a clusterfuck | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | hookers* | 19:58 |
| Sput | combined with a car accident | 19:58 |
| Sput | I do envy them for the camera button though. | 19:59 |
| ieatlint | yeah, well, now i know i need to turn off alarms before i change phones | 19:59 |
| Sput | no idea how they could leave that out on the N9xx | 19:59 |
| Sput | ieatlint: same thing happened when I retired my C7 :) | 19:59 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: won't be too many lumias to make a difference | 19:59 |
| Sput | I was like, wtf | 19:59 |
| djszapi | btw, speaking of C7... | 19:59 |
| djszapi | got one at the qt dev days...Has anybody actually tried bella on that ? | 19:59 |
| Sput | that's the official symbian that came OTA? | 20:00 |
| Sput | if so, I did | 20:00 |
| djszapi | I had Anna on it | 20:00 |
| Sput | hmm | 20:00 |
| Sput | I keep confusing all those codenames | 20:00 |
| Sput | I know there was a major update a couple months ago | 20:00 |
| Sput | which, surprisingly, went well and didn't kill any of my data (try that on MeeGo!) | 20:01 |
| ieatlint | i've tried bella on an n8, but only anna on a c7 | 20:01 |
| djszapi | everybody was liking Bella so far as I heard. | 20:02 |
| djszapi | that is why I motivated enough to try it out | 20:02 |
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| Sput | do you get that officially for the C7? | 20:03 |
| ieatlint | bella is slow on the n8.. | 20:03 |
| ieatlint | i have a 701 here too, which comes with bella, and i can say it's an improvement over anna, but still symbian, heh | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if Nokia will ever get the N950 in customs | 20:06 |
| npm | speaking of symbian, i've got some requests to port http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/ to symbian and someone working on it.... how does one go about getting a 701 for devel/porting from Nokia? | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | or if it'll stay there forever | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | npm, I'd try contacting ddp.program at nokia dot com | 20:06 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: you are a rassist :) | 20:07 |
| djszapi | not liking symbian, wp, ehhh :) | 20:07 |
| npm | have others gotten new "anna" phones for devel on here? | 20:07 |
| ieatlint | hating is what i do best | 20:07 |
| Sput | well, the newer symbians weren't that bad, but I wouldn't switch back from MeeGo and Swipe :) | 20:07 |
| npm | MohammadAG: thanks | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | use Google maps and it'll be perfect btw | 20:08 |
| npm | i wouldn't mind having a 701 to avoid wear and tear from having n950 be my daily phone | 20:08 |
| ieatlint | the 701 is nice | 20:08 |
| ieatlint | camera sucks, but it has nfc | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | I'm using a Galaxy SII right now | 20:09 |
| ieatlint | really not a bad phone, but yeah.. me no like symbian | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | I must say the screen is the awesomest one I've ever seen in my life | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | the battery life is awesome | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | the OS sucks | 20:09 |
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| npm | MohammadAG: on the 701? | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | no, the galaxy SII | 20:09 |
| npm | oh. sorry missed that line | 20:10 |
| ieatlint | the 701 has many of the same features via nfc that the n9 does, but i haven't seen them advertised as much | 20:10 |
| ieatlint | like sharing pictures via nfc/bluetooth | 20:10 |
| ieatlint | or vcards | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, yeah, not advertising them makes the N9 looks better | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | same as Apple not including Siri on the iPhone 4 | 20:11 |
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| MohammadAG | it can run on the 3GS, but having an exclusive feature pushes salew | 20:11 |
| ieatlint | not the same when the feature is there on the 701 | 20:11 |
| npm | i got a question about NFC... is there a way of easily printing your own. so that you could create different "contexts" like "being in the office" "being in car" "being in kitchen" etc | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | the Galaxy SII is the slowest I've seen a phone charge | 20:11 |
| ieatlint | npm: you mean have a tag that you scan and it changes your profile? | 20:12 |
| npm | because GPS doesn't work inside a building, and I'm looking for ability to identify where you are: http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/#Future | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | You know N is really N? | 20:12 |
| npm | ieatlint: basically. i'm thinking of "geolocating inside buildings" | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | As in under 5cm? | 20:12 |
| ieatlint | yeah | 20:12 |
| npm | yeah, you'd have to "touch" | 20:12 |
| npm | maybe like you'd have a keyless entry using it | 20:13 |
| npm | and that would also signal to your device that you were in that room | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | IR-qcodes on the ceiling. | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | qr | 20:13 |
| ieatlint | npm: you can very easily create a custom tag type, and register your application to handle them, so that when tagged, the phone starts your app | 20:13 |
| RST38h | Variety reports that David Yates, who directed the last four Harry Potter films, is teaming up with the BBC to turn its iconic sci-fi TV series Doctor Who into a Hollywood franchise. | 20:13 |
| ieatlint | and read/writing tags via qt-mobility is very easy | 20:13 |
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| ieatlint | tapping your phone on a tag every time you enter a room sounds like some sort of OCD fit | 20:15 |
| ieatlint | make sure you count the number of tiles too | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: http://xkcd.com/633/ | 20:16 |
| npm | ieatlint: re: scan and it changes your profile? -- closer to giving you easy access to all the things you said and did previously at that location (e.g. phone numbers, web searches, etc) kinda like a location-basedhttp://zeitgeist-project.com/ for handsets | 20:16 |
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| npm | http://zeitgeist-project.com/ | 20:16 |
| djszapi | zeitgeist :o | 20:16 |
| rzr | hi kernels hackers | 20:17 |
| djszapi | rzr hi open source warrior ! | 20:17 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: sad. | 20:17 |
| rzr | are there usables nfs.ko for our babies | 20:17 |
| RST38h | Moo CepiPerez | 20:17 |
| RST38h | rzr: you really want nfs there? | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | npm: there's a PoC of "geolocating" in buildings based on special WLAN APs only | 20:18 |
| CepiPerez | hello | 20:18 |
| RST38h | thought about it real well? | 20:18 |
| rzr | djszapi: did test Da PlaZmoid oN da TaBleet | 20:18 |
| RST38h | considered what happens when your device loses connectivity for 5-10 minutes? | 20:18 |
| Sput | I found it ironic that the tags Nokia distributed at DevDays everywhere weren't supported by the N9s they gave away | 20:18 |
| Sput | my C7 actually opened a link, the N9 just said "oh, there's a tag" and did nothing | 20:18 |
| rzr | RST38h: yes I plan to use a nfs chroot ... but it's a bit overkill | 20:19 |
| gabriel9 | for seome reason i can't deploy public key with qt creator to my N9 | 20:19 |
| ieatlint | Sput: yeah, the latest firmware update does handle it | 20:19 |
| gri | Sput: You have to update to 1.1 | 20:19 |
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| RST38h | rzr: ok, consider yourself warned | 20:19 |
| ieatlint | you needed to be running >34-1 | 20:19 |
| npm | DocScrutinizer: that's a good point, but that would work better in an office. it wouldn't work in my home (e.g. kitchen and office) all work on same router. | 20:19 |
| Sput | at least I could activate the extra Angry Bird levels, but alas I lost them in a firmware upgrade | 20:19 |
| djszapi | why N9 instead of N10 in the first place ? :D | 20:19 |
| gabriel9 | all params are ok, but it says Connection refused | 20:19 |
| Sput | gri: yeah, but that wasn't out at DevDays :) | 20:19 |
| Sput | you actually got three tags in the N9 package that didn't do anything | 20:20 |
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| gri | Sput: On some signs on dev days there was a subtitle "n9 firmware update for proper nfc support is coming soon" | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | npm: you need a minimum of 3 APs no mtter what | 20:20 |
| Sput | gri: ah, didn't notice | 20:20 |
| djszapi | rzr: so you are now mr. plasma tablet ? :) | 20:20 |
| npm | <RST38h> -- how about NFS over USB networking? I'm digging using fuse-sshfs over USB network between meego netbook and n950 | 20:21 |
| ieatlint | i really don't know why it took them so long to get ndef tags working on the public release of the n9 | 20:21 |
| npm | seems to transfer stuff pretty fast, even w/ extra encryption in SSH | 20:21 |
| * npm wants fuse-sshfs for harmattan | 20:22 | |
| ieatlint | and they never got most of the qt-mobility nfc features working on the n9, and never will | 20:22 |
| rzr | djszapi: well its a good start but i can not say it will replace gnome-shell | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | npm: and honestly I think is probably cheaper to use tin foil backed wallpapers and a separate standard AP for each room rather than "print" your own NFC tags and whatnot | 20:22 |
| npm | ieatlint: interesting... so to do future NFC stuff, i should get a 701 anyways then and not an n9 | 20:22 |
| djszapi | rzr: gnome3 and unity are way better than PA, tm | 20:22 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: /var/tmp/build-root/usr/include/raptor2/raptor.h -> it is there :o | 20:22 |
| rzr | npm: is there fuse for harmattan ? | 20:22 |
| djszapi | there is | 20:23 |
| djszapi | aegisfs is fuse fs based | 20:23 |
| ieatlint | npm: symbian handles nfc much better than the n9, but depending on what you want to do, the n9 is sufficient | 20:23 |
| djszapi | I fixed actually many issues in upstream fuse | 20:23 |
| djszapi | while working on aegisfs | 20:23 |
| rzr | good i will dig into that too | 20:23 |
| npm | cool. one of these days will need to try | 20:23 |
| djszapi | fuse had really serious vulnerabilities. | 20:23 |
| ieatlint | the way the n9 handles nfc is weird | 20:23 |
| rzr | npm: i did try to build sshfs | 20:24 |
| npm | ieatlint: thanks for the info on nfs... DocScrutinizer ... thanks for the perspective on pricing nfc tag pring... | 20:24 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: /var/tmp/build-root/usr/lib/libraptor2.so -> even, this is there. | 20:24 |
| npm | it's not something i expect to do until after 1.0 is out, but want to get familiar (and i'm not since i have no devices for it) | 20:24 |
| ieatlint | when you read a tag, a blue bar pops down at the top of the screen with an nfc logo, right? | 20:24 |
| ieatlint | well, no way to turn that off | 20:24 |
| ieatlint | and any application-level read/write operations start when that blue bar goes away | 20:25 |
| npm | ieatlint: nfs/sshfs | 20:25 |
| npm | s/ | 20:25 |
| ieatlint | so he user inherently thinks that the operation finished, but instead it just began | 20:25 |
| npm | ah, so a few issues to work out anyways | 20:25 |
| ieatlint | and they got lazy on error reporting, so you can only get a generic failure message | 20:25 |
| ieatlint | trying to write content too big for a given tag? generic failure. tag removed before operation completed? generic failure. unknown tag type? generic failure. trying to write data to a locked tag? generic failure, etc | 20:26 |
| ieatlint | impossible to tell the user what went wrong | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: settings->"confirm connection and transmission" ? | 20:26 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: that's for things like confirming pairing with bluetooth via nfc | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfi | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I got not even a NFC tag here to test anything with that | 20:27 |
| djszapi | what is up pabs3 ? | 20:27 |
| ieatlint | if that setting is turned off, your phone won't prompt you before sharing a photo via nfc, or connecting to an "nfc enabled" bluetooth headset | 20:28 |
| gabriel9 | anyone? | 20:28 |
| gabriel9 | oh man even goolge is not helping | 20:28 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: why not scp ? | 20:28 |
| gabriel9 | scp? | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 20:28 |
| gabriel9 | what in the seven suns is that? | 20:28 |
| ieatlint | it's an illicit drug | 20:28 |
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| ieatlint | and they're using peer pressure, run | 20:28 |
| djszapi | scp ~/.ssh/id_rda.pub root@192.168.2.15:/home/user/.ssh/ | 20:29 |
| djszapi | or whatever your precise arguments are. | 20:29 |
| gabriel9 | i presume that i need to enter that command in my N9? | 20:30 |
| djszapi | on the host.. | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | which command? | 20:30 |
| gabriel9 | windows 7 | 20:30 |
| djszapi | use putty | 20:30 |
| djszapi | and similar services. | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh THAT command, yeah | 20:31 |
| gabriel9 | i have putty | 20:31 |
| djszapi | either that or fix your qtcreator. | 20:32 |
| gabriel9 | and with putty i get connection refused | 20:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | hey | 20:34 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: are you in developer mode ? | 20:34 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 20:34 |
| gabriel9 | something is wrong with my device | 20:34 |
| gabriel9 | .( | 20:34 |
| djszapi | has it ever worked ? | 20:34 |
| ieatlint | are you connected via usb? | 20:34 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 20:34 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: SDK mode ? | 20:34 |
| gabriel9 | it has worked | 20:34 |
| gabriel9 | sdk mode | 20:34 |
| djszapi | do you have the password ? | 20:34 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 20:35 |
| ieatlint | and did you set the usb ethernet interface on your host computer? | 20:35 |
| djszapi | ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 up on the host ? | 20:35 |
| djszapi | or something like that on windows.. | 20:35 |
| ieatlint | win7, there is no ifconfig | 20:35 |
| gabriel9 | it worked as i know | 20:35 |
| gri | gabriel9: You have to set the ip address to static on the computer's usb network adapter | 20:35 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: ipconfig /all or something like that | 20:35 |
| Mek | and sdk mode should have dhcp server on the phone, so no need for the ifconfig to explicitly set ip address | 20:35 |
| gri | dhcp on the phone never worked for me | 20:36 |
| djszapi | I always had to set it up actually | 20:36 |
| ieatlint | never tried it here | 20:36 |
| gabriel9 | it worked as i know | 20:36 |
| ieatlint | i normally just connect via wifi | 20:36 |
| ieatlint | easier | 20:36 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: you can also set it up in the graphical interface I guess | 20:36 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: except on the airplane | 20:36 |
| ieatlint | true, i used usb there | 20:37 |
| gabriel9 | i set it up manually | 20:37 |
| gabriel9 | it is all set on Win | 20:37 |
| gabriel9 | i can ping the device | 20:37 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: you do ont use root right ? | 20:38 |
| gabriel9 | but it refuses connection | 20:38 |
| djszapi | you try developer right ? | 20:38 |
| djszapi | root was declined after the ssu update thingie.. | 20:38 |
| gabriel9 | i started developer mode | 20:38 |
| djszapi | that is not enough ... | 20:38 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but you wouldn't get connection refused for root | 20:38 |
| djszapi | try this: ssh developer@192.168.2.15 | 20:38 |
| ieatlint | you'd get an auth error | 20:38 |
| djszapi | incorrect | 20:38 |
| djszapi | the connection is refused for root as is | 20:39 |
| ieatlint | but you need to connect in order for it to know the user name is root | 20:39 |
| djszapi | that is the idea, if the practice is different, that is probably a bug. | 20:39 |
| ieatlint | it'll just give you an auth error, same as though you mistyped a password | 20:40 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: at any rate, try with "developer". | 20:40 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: that is an implementation bug | 20:40 |
| gabriel9 | i added developer in putty for username | 20:40 |
| gri | Using username "root". | 20:40 |
| gri | Server refused our key | 20:40 |
| gabriel9 | and coonection timed up | 20:40 |
| gri | is my putty output here | 20:40 |
| gri | so it asks for password even on root | 20:40 |
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| ieatlint | djszapi: uh, it's not | 20:40 |
| djszapi | that is actually a very serious bug | 20:40 |
| ieatlint | it's how ssh works | 20:40 |
| djszapi | I need to investigate tomorow | 20:41 |
| djszapi | root should be refused per se | 20:41 |
| gri | no | 20:41 |
| djszapi | should not ask any authentication | 20:41 |
| ieatlint | you need to connect in order to start the login operation, which is when you give the username root | 20:41 |
| gri | since ssh should not tell you which user exists and which not | 20:41 |
| ieatlint | gri is correct | 20:41 |
| djszapi | no, it is quite incorrect | 20:41 |
| ieatlint | it should act identically for root as it should for the user "fsdgjdkslfj" | 20:41 |
| djszapi | root should not be asked for authentication | 20:41 |
| djszapi | it should be dropped | 20:41 |
| djszapi | if authentication is asked, that is a serious bug | 20:42 |
| ieatlint | it's not a bug, nor is it a security risk | 20:42 |
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| gri | Using username "helloworld". | 20:42 |
| gri | Server refused our key | 20:42 |
| djszapi | 20:40 < gri> so it asks for password even on root | 20:42 |
| ieatlint | it never tries to authenticate the root password or checks a key.. | 20:42 |
| djszapi | it is a /huge/ bug | 20:42 |
| gri | no | 20:42 |
| djszapi | very /huge/ | 20:42 |
| djszapi | if it asks for root password | 20:42 |
| gri | it does ask but not check the password | 20:42 |
| gri | it denies at every time | 20:43 |
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| djszapi | so it does not ask ... | 20:43 |
| gri | like it does with "helloworld" | 20:43 |
| djszapi | and works as we designed. | 20:43 |
| gabriel9 | guys | 20:43 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 20:43 |
| gri | it asks for password | 20:43 |
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| gri | like on every other non-existant user | 20:43 |
| gri | since ssh should not tell you which user you are allowed to use | 20:43 |
| djszapi | yes of course it should | 20:43 |
| ieatlint | gabriel9: you can't deny geeks their pedantic discussions | 20:43 |
| djszapi | that is the damn configuration you fill in. | 20:43 |
| djszapi | where you tell it explicitely to ssh | 20:44 |
| ieatlint | we each know we're right, and damnit, we need to PROVE IT | 20:44 |
| gabriel9 | i hate admins | 20:44 |
| gabriel9 | and networks | 20:44 |
| gabriel9 | let me just code | 20:44 |
| ieatlint | i'm not an admin | 20:44 |
| djszapi | you are a code monkey ? :) | 20:44 |
| gabriel9 | on my job there is always some problems wit network ssh persmisions | 20:45 |
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| ieatlint | i have the best job right now, i get paid to press enter, wait an hour for a build to complete, see what was fixed, spend 10min making changes and repeat | 20:45 |
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| gri | ieatlint: In my old company a complete rebuild took 6 hours due to bad library architecture :D coffee time all day | 20:46 |
| nix-cyrus | gabriel9: rsa-keys should resolve all problems) | 20:46 |
| gabriel9 | nice job | 20:46 |
| djszapi | nix-cyrus: without being able to log in ? | 20:46 |
| gabriel9 | i code like a monkey | 20:46 |
| ieatlint | gri: yeah, they're supposed to install a device that will allow me to watch movies today | 20:46 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lLRBiEBRAc | 20:46 |
| ieatlint | (no, really) | 20:46 |
| ieatlint | should help :P | 20:47 |
| nix-cyrus | djszapi: why? | 20:47 |
| djszapi | nix-cyrus: because you need to log in before you get that ... | 20:47 |
| ieatlint | nix-cyrus: root login isn't allow, regardless of authentication type | 20:47 |
| ieatlint | so rsa keys won't help | 20:47 |
| ieatlint | the "developer" user account is what is required | 20:47 |
| djszapi | nix-cyrus: unless you download it explicitely from somewhere. | 20:47 |
| djszapi | or edit manually lol | 20:48 |
| djszapi | but even that, the networking should work anyways | 20:48 |
| gabriel9 | oh man do i need to read book to login on my device :D | 20:48 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: no, just check the steps we already said | 20:48 |
| ieatlint | gabriel9: knowing how the networking side works is generally a good idea too :P | 20:48 |
| djszapi | some of them did not pass at your place. | 20:48 |
| gabriel9 | i don't have time | 20:49 |
| gabriel9 | i constantly learn something new | 20:49 |
| gabriel9 | research department | 20:49 |
| gabriel9 | and i hae girlfriend | 20:49 |
| * gri wishes to have the same ... today we learned "what is a state machine?" at university :/ | 20:49 | |
| ieatlint | my girlfriend is a sysadmin, she can explain ssh to you if you'd like | 20:49 |
| ieatlint | :P | 20:50 |
| gabriel9 | sure | 20:50 |
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| djszapi | gabriel9: also, try wi-fi if ssh is really that desperate lol | 20:50 |
| ieatlint | she's probably too busy scapegoating someone else for server downtime actually | 20:50 |
| gabriel9 | my router is tosted | 20:50 |
| djszapi | what server, meego.com ? :D | 20:50 |
| djszapi | that is a synonym for downtime :D | 20:51 |
| ieatlint | nah, a social networking one that is also known for downtime (not twitter) | 20:51 |
| gri | youpo...? | 20:52 |
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| KRF | errm, does a "nokia lumina" (not the 'n') exist or do *several* newspapers mis-spell the phone's name? | 20:53 |
| KRF | note the 'n' even | 20:54 |
| ieatlint | misspell methinks | 20:54 |
| gabriel9 | jesus christ it works affter i turned on developer mode | 20:55 |
| gabriel9 | restart my device | 20:55 |
| gabriel9 | and then turn it off | 20:55 |
| gabriel9 | and then turn it off | 20:55 |
| ieatlint | the phone has to be facing north for it to work | 20:55 |
| gabriel9 | great, i should go and run two circles around my building to work | 20:55 |
| KRF | a search for 'nokia "lumina"' on google gives me a huge number of hits | 20:56 |
| ieatlint | it's a feature designed to make you more location aware | 20:56 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: well, you messed up your network previously | 20:56 |
| djszapi | and instead of fixing that, reboot helped. | 20:56 |
| djszapi | no wonder here. | 20:56 |
| djszapi | happens with me, too. | 20:56 |
| ieatlint | did you try turning it off and on again? | 20:56 |
| djszapi | I sometimes even need to reboot the host.. | 20:57 |
| djszapi | Though, I had the impression you started from a clean paper ;) | 20:57 |
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| gabriel9 | but when i turn off developer mode and restart my device and then turn on developer mode again i can't connect | 20:57 |
| gabriel9 | like i need to login like developer | 20:57 |
| djszapi | yes, of course | 20:57 |
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| ieatlint | you cannot connect as root | 20:58 |
| ieatlint | and for application development, you shouldn't anyway | 20:58 |
| gabriel9 | so i am root on my phone? | 20:58 |
| djszapi | no | 20:58 |
| gabriel9 | when i just use it | 20:58 |
| ieatlint | no, you're "user" on your phone | 20:58 |
| djszapi | you are a developer | 20:58 |
| djszapi | Hence, developer uesr | 20:59 |
| ieatlint | you should develop with the user account "developer" | 20:59 |
| djszapi | when you do not developer, you are a user | 20:59 |
| djszapi | develop* | 20:59 |
| djszapi | simple enough :) | 20:59 |
| gabriel9 | but i can install apps | 20:59 |
| ieatlint | you can access root via "devel-su" run by either user or developer | 20:59 |
| gri | well, for some parts it's better to use the "user" user for development :) | 21:00 |
| gabriel9 | when i'm user | 21:00 |
| gri | no you can't | 21:00 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: yes, of course you can | 21:00 |
| gri | you start a process which runs as root | 21:00 |
| djszapi | from the ui | 21:00 |
| djszapi | but the pkgmgrd does the magic for you there. | 21:00 |
| djszapi | since it has the proper ability for that | 21:00 |
| gabriel9 | so i need to restart my device every time when i want to develop | 21:00 |
| djszapi | meh, not ... | 21:01 |
| gri | o_O | 21:01 |
| gabriel9 | O_o | 21:01 |
| nix-cyrus | O_O | 21:02 |
| ieatlint | gabriel9: you're doing something wrong, but i don't have a clear explanation of what it is | 21:02 |
| gri | gabriel9: For development, you add your "developer" user account data to QtCreator. When clicking "run on device", QtCreator creates a packages, connects to the phone, deploys the package, installs it as root and runs it as "developer" again | 21:02 |
| ieatlint | you shouldn't need to reboot at all | 21:02 |
| nix-cyrus | btw is there PyCreator for PySide?) | 21:03 |
| gabriel9 | but i need to revboot | 21:03 |
| gri | no | 21:03 |
| nix-cyrus | *QtCreator | 21:03 |
| djszapi | QtCreator sucks for Python | 21:03 |
| djszapi | use kdevelop for python | 21:03 |
| gri | It would be pretty annoying to reboot everytime you click "run on device" | 21:03 |
| djszapi | they have a great amount of support for that... | 21:03 |
| gabriel9 | well i can deploy now | 21:04 |
| gabriel9 | without restart | 21:04 |
| djszapi | pebkac ;-) | 21:04 |
| gabriel9 | but when i reboot without developer mode turned on i must turn it on reboot and then develop | 21:04 |
| * ieatlint nods | 21:04 | |
| ieatlint | why are you toggling developer mode? | 21:05 |
| * gri never turned it off | 21:05 | |
| ieatlint | yeah, i just leave it on... | 21:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: just flash the device =D | 21:05 |
| gabriel9 | lol and if i destroy something i will die | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | i never developed anything for n9 yet and even i have it on | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: you can always sell yourself for parts =) | 21:06 |
| nix-cyrus | me too vahe it on always) | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | kidney | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | IT IS ON!! F... YEAH \o? | 21:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | \o/* | 21:07 |
| * djszapi dislikes pkg-config | 21:07 | |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: why is that? | 21:07 |
| ieatlint | pkg-config has been good to me | 21:07 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: try to debug it ... | 21:08 |
| djszapi | am having serious pains about it ... | 21:08 |
| ieatlint | debug it? | 21:08 |
| djszapi | yes of course | 21:08 |
| djszapi | when a version is not found in your build system | 21:08 |
| ieatlint | it just gives the location of headers and libs | 21:09 |
| ieatlint | there isn't that much to it | 21:09 |
| djszapi | what else can you do ? Let me know ;) | 21:09 |
| ieatlint | i can pretend to work pretty well | 21:09 |
| djszapi | who invented pkg-config was not really sober | 21:09 |
| ieatlint | few unix devs are | 21:09 |
| djszapi | pkg-config has nothing to do with only unix | 21:11 |
| nix-cyrus | confused it with bsd's pkgsrc :D | 21:11 |
| djszapi | xD | 21:11 |
| gabriel9 | why this is not ArchLinux | 21:12 |
| gabriel9 | i put CD inside and reinstall | 21:12 |
| gabriel9 | set up my system | 21:12 |
| gabriel9 | and good to go | 21:12 |
| djszapi | archlinux ftw :) | 21:12 |
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| * ieatlint is on gentoo | 21:13 | |
| djszapi | though, it is sad they do not have static qemu | 21:13 |
| nix-cyrus | +1 to archers :) | 21:13 |
| gabriel9 | i'm not big noob | 21:13 |
| gabriel9 | what is navifirm= | 21:13 |
| gabriel9 | ? | 21:13 |
| djszapi | full of illegal stuff | 21:14 |
| ieatlint | a utility that accesses nokia's servers to download firmware images | 21:14 |
| gabriel9 | so i can download my image? | 21:14 |
| djszapi | your image ? | 21:14 |
| ieatlint | theoretically | 21:14 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 21:15 |
| djszapi | can you show us your firmware ? :) | 21:15 |
| ieatlint | but you'll void your warranty, and technically violate copyright | 21:15 |
| gabriel9 | i have device which i messed up | 21:15 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 21:15 |
| gabriel9 | so what now? | 21:15 |
| gri | gabriel9: You can also try using the Nokia Software Updater | 21:15 |
| ieatlint | (although it may not be detectable by nokia, i don't know :) | 21:15 |
| gabriel9 | i tried to use it | 21:15 |
| gabriel9 | and nothing | 21:15 |
| gabriel9 | they sey update will come in couple of weaks | 21:16 |
| gri | what exactly is "and nothing"? | 21:16 |
| gabriel9 | no updates | 21:16 |
| gabriel9 | nothing | 21:16 |
| gabriel9 | everyone is talking about updates | 21:17 |
| gabriel9 | but i can't see them | 21:17 |
| ieatlint | yeah, 40-4 is out now | 21:17 |
| gri | how old is your nsu version? is it up to date? | 21:17 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: out of curiosity, are you on a later version? :) | 21:17 |
| gabriel9 | 3.0.560 | 21:17 |
| ieatlint | i've only seen as far as 40-4, but week 40 was quite a while ago | 21:18 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: yes, always the daily image of course | 21:18 |
| gri | gabriel9: This is the newest | 21:18 |
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| ieatlint | good to hear they're still working on it then | 21:18 |
| gabriel9 | yea i know | 21:18 |
| gri | gabriel9: For mine it worked and http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/device-software-update also states that 40-4 is online | 21:19 |
| gabriel9 | i see it | 21:19 |
| gabriel9 | on this website | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | djszapi, they still release daily images? | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | nice | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | what if Nokia sends me a non-CE device by mistake :) | 21:20 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines MohammadAG receiving a win-CE device. | 21:20 | |
| ieatlint | hahaha | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | I already have a WinCE device | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | and a WM5.0 device | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | flashed to a custom (probably illegal) 6.5 ROM | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | slow as fuck though, 64MBs of RAM :P | 21:21 |
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| gabriel9 | http://www.nokia.dk/produktsupport/produktsupport/n9 | 21:21 |
| Arkenoi | is there 40-4 for n950? | 21:22 |
| gabriel9 | on denmark website there is no update | 21:22 |
| gri | Arkenoi: 39-5 should be about the same | 21:22 |
| * Arkenoi tries to catch javispedro online | 21:22 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | incredible how all those nokia sites as e.g the URL above instantly kill my konqueror with a segfault | 21:23 |
| gabriel9 | chrome also died | 21:23 |
| gabriel9 | flash player | 21:23 |
| gabriel9 | is problem | 21:24 |
| djszapi | so who said pkg-config is easy-peasy cakewalk ? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsckng flash on a service site | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks Nokia! | 21:25 |
| gri | my firefox does not complain anything here :) | 21:25 |
| gabriel9 | DocScrutinizer don't suffer your browser | 21:25 |
| gabriel9 | it says on the site that there is no update | 21:25 |
| gabriel9 | for N9 | 21:25 |
| gabriel9 | i hate that region shit | 21:26 |
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| BluesLee | hello | 21:27 |
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| BluesLee | is it safe to remove apps which are installed by default, for instance user guide, calculator etc? | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes. | 21:28 |
| BluesLee | is it safe just to rename the desktop files to a.desktop.backup? | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I pulled 'modest' in pr1.0 of the n900, as it saved a reasonable amount of RAM. | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get remove modest on more recent releases won't work. | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect that may cause issues with aegis. | 21:29 |
| gri | BluesLee: Should be safe | 21:30 |
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| BluesLee | i also think that this guy called aegis does not like that:-) | 21:31 |
| BluesLee | he must be very mighty, hehe | 21:31 |
| gri | aegis does not care about renaming .desktop files | 21:31 |
| gri | it would prevent you from starting renamed binaries | 21:32 |
| djszapi | BluesLee: ubuntu does like if you break the whole system from the ground up ? | 21:32 |
| BluesLee | gri: i checked that but what happens if the complete package is updated? | 21:32 |
| djszapi | or basically any distributions ? | 21:32 |
| gri | BluesLee: Then the file is restored | 21:32 |
| gri | and your renamed one remains forever until you delete it manually | 21:33 |
| BluesLee | djszapi: its a matter of organizing the launcher screen, as long as we do not have folders/categories people like me will do that | 21:33 |
| djszapi | and actually, it is sytem-services which puts you into MALF state anyway... | 21:33 |
| BluesLee | gri: thanx | 21:33 |
| djszapi | so you are confusing many things here. | 21:34 |
| djszapi | I would seriously doubt a missing calculator would break the system | 21:34 |
| npm | so it seems like the best way to hack an n9 to figure out a way to replace a desktop file. then when the user clicks an expected icon, unexpected program runs? | 21:34 |
| npm | that, plus aegis not looking at qml files seems potentially dangerous (from security perspective) | 21:35 |
| djszapi | npm sorry ?? | 21:36 |
| djszapi | how could that be dangerous ? | 21:36 |
| djszapi | all that a qml can invoke are indeed checked. | 21:37 |
| npm | someone rewrites the launcher top qmltube.desktop to invoke Controller.deleteFile on some file that sholdnh't be deleted | 21:37 |
| djszapi | qml is not a system command or script per se. | 21:37 |
| npm | it is once you have C code interfaced to it | 21:37 |
| djszapi | controler.deleteFile should not be there. | 21:37 |
| npm | which inevitably you will | 21:37 |
| djszapi | and that is done anyway | 21:37 |
| npm | how else can you delete a file? | 21:37 |
| BluesLee | can someone explain what aegis does exactly? | 21:37 |
| djszapi | BluesLee: rtfm | 21:37 |
| djszapi | npm: you cannot delete a file if it does not make snse | 21:38 |
| djszapi | sense* | 21:38 |
| BluesLee | djszapi: is the fm pdf installed on my n9? | 21:38 |
| npm | RTSL: http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube/controller.cpp | 21:38 |
| djszapi | and it is decided way more lower-level than any qmlS | 21:38 |
| * djszapi sees no danger in qml files... | 21:38 | |
| npm | if you don't like it complain to Stuart Howarth | 21:38 |
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| npm | pure javascript is not dangerous | 21:38 |
| npm | but just like JNI in android, you have to start making external calls | 21:38 |
| npm | and those are potentially dangerous and unchecked | 21:39 |
| djszapi | BluesLee: read the SDK please. | 21:39 |
| djszapi | npm: I think you are now mixing up things | 21:39 |
| npm | plus, one could easily slip in a modification to the code | 21:39 |
| djszapi | npm does not have direct access to things...it is a very high level file ... | 21:39 |
| djszapi | qml* | 21:39 |
| npm | qml doesn't but C++ does | 21:40 |
| djszapi | it accesses to lower-level stuff, which /must/ be defended | 21:40 |
| npm | and you talk to C++ in a qml program that does anything of significance | 21:40 |
| djszapi | not qmlS... | 21:40 |
| npm | well i'm just talking about what i've seen and used | 21:40 |
| djszapi | C++ will be defended | 21:40 |
| djszapi | qml does require no special treatments. | 21:40 |
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| npm | how can you defend against a call that will perhaps run a network DOS? | 21:41 |
| djszapi | I do not even understand the question tbh :) | 21:41 |
| npm | which would be indistinguishable from one that isn't other than perhaps some parameters or frequency of issuance | 21:41 |
| djszapi | well, I can just repeat myself | 21:42 |
| djszapi | if low-level is defended, high-level can vomit blood... cannot really still attack. | 21:42 |
| npm | so how does it prevent calls to Controller.deleteFile() ?? | 21:42 |
| djszapi | by policies and ovi QA obviously. | 21:43 |
| djszapi | it is not any different to any other case. | 21:43 |
| npm | but that's the point. the QML will work fine at ovi qa. | 21:43 |
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| djszapi | sorry, but do not mix up the things | 21:43 |
| djszapi | you were speaking about aegis | 21:43 |
| npm | and then if i figure out a way to get a differnt program to alter some QML... it's no longer safe. and it was never seen by QA | 21:43 |
| djszapi | ovi QA is a vastly rather different process | 21:43 |
| npm | yes. aegis doesn't keep signatures of QML | 21:43 |
| djszapi | also, you cannot delete stuff you do not have capability to | 21:44 |
| npm | if it did, then apps would be safe | 21:44 |
| djszapi | and that is completely irrelevant to QML | 21:44 |
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| djszapi | the low-level stuff must be defended against that | 21:44 |
| npm | it's not irrelevant to real world programs that use qml | 21:44 |
| djszapi | as I said many times, already ... | 21:44 |
| djszapi | I think you do not see the forest from the tree. | 21:45 |
| npm | repeating yourself doesn't make you right | 21:45 |
| BluesLee | hehe | 21:45 |
| djszapi | we cannot really defend against every high-level format which is the point of a simple interpreter anyway | 21:45 |
| djszapi | what should be defended is the underlying operation | 21:45 |
| npm | right. so you sign the QML files. sign the desktop files. end of story | 21:45 |
| djszapi | there is an application with certain purposes, it needs to have those credentials, nothing more, period | 21:46 |
| npm | that way what QA validates is what is known to be running on your handset | 21:46 |
| djszapi | even if you change the qml file to your superlord cracker stuff, it will never own those cracker capabilities. | 21:46 |
| npm | i'm sure there's a file Controller.deleteFile() could hit and cause you trouble :-) | 21:47 |
| djszapi | so your superlord cracker ability went nowhere anyway | 21:47 |
| djszapi | 21:45 < npm> right. so you sign the QML files. sign the desktop files. end of story -> not really no | 21:47 |
| djszapi | we have an own format in Gluon which took me like few days to code the interpreter for | 21:47 |
| djszapi | it is really not the way of going. This is a really bad approach imho | 21:47 |
| djszapi | since it is just impossible to do this way | 21:48 |
| BluesLee | someone wrote that its not possible to run a simple script or dmesg | 21:49 |
| djszapi | you do want to have certain files customizable, but how to decide ? There is no rationale for that. All the ways that can come into the picture is defending the underlying operation, and that is done -> no vulnerability | 21:49 |
| BluesLee | seems to work well | 21:49 |
| djszapi | if you think you have this superlord cracker use case, why not provide to me ? | 21:49 |
| BluesLee | is there are a list what works and what not? | 21:50 |
| Sput | last time I tried, dmesg worked fine on the N9 | 21:50 |
| BluesLee | i can also run scripts | 21:50 |
| djszapi | the point is that, there is no need for dmesg | 21:50 |
| djszapi | but of course it was not possible in the past | 21:50 |
| djszapi | when we discussed, so please do not troll | 21:50 |
| npm | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/components/signed-scripts.html | 21:50 |
| Sput | djszapi: it's possible again though? | 21:50 |
| npm | ^^^ one solution | 21:50 |
| djszapi | Sput: we implement those things, we decide about those :) | 21:51 |
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| V13 | ehlo. is git available for n950 ? | 21:51 |
| djszapi | npm: sounds really funny :) | 21:51 |
| djszapi | my interpreter was written in few days as I said. | 21:51 |
| Sput | yeah, it's just that I remember the discussion back in the N950 days, when PR 1.1 came out, and I was actually surprised that it worked on the N9 post-update :) | 21:51 |
| djszapi | how could we prepare for that at all :D :D | 21:51 |
| djszapi | V13: yes | 21:51 |
| V13 | :) | 21:51 |
| V13 | where? :-) | 21:51 |
| * V13 still newbie in n950 | 21:52 | |
| nix-cyrus | V13: at github.com in browser :) | 21:53 |
| djszapi | npm: solution for mozzila since they only use js :D :D | 21:53 |
| djszapi | congrats... | 21:53 |
| djszapi | completely different theory than Harmattan | 21:53 |
| V13 | nix-cyrus ? as source ? | 21:53 |
| djszapi | anyway, I described, why that does not make sense and why the current system is designed well, but do feel free to prove me wrong in mail with workhorses... | 21:54 |
| BluesLee | Sput: honestly, i dont know the history, but i avoided writing scripts for one whole week, and now i learn that it is no issue | 21:54 |
| djszapi | might be an implementation bug, but not design afaict | 21:54 |
| djszapi | V13 community repository | 21:54 |
| djszapi | V13 nix-cyrus was joking | 21:55 |
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| djszapi | M4rtinK o/ | 21:55 |
| V13 | oh :) | 21:55 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=git&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 21:55 |
| djszapi | Sput: people just tend to know better the happenings than the developers doing the happenings :) | 21:56 |
| V13 | ok.. just to make sure. the community repository is an actual repository for apt or just debs to download ? | 21:56 |
| djszapi | both are possible. | 21:56 |
| V13 | never mind... found it :) | 21:56 |
| V13 | thanks :) | 21:56 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: ? :) | 21:56 |
| BluesLee | which community repo? | 21:56 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: I have a working local osc on my ubuntu server :) | 21:57 |
| djszapi | BluesLee: meh... | 21:57 |
| djszapi | landing page pls ... | 21:57 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: congratulations ! :) | 21:57 |
| Sput | djszapi: well you had a ton of arguments why allowing dmesg would be bad, so I'm curious why it changed again :) or maybe I have a slightly nonstandard device, who knows | 21:57 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: same issue for soprano | 21:57 |
| npm | there's ways of securing, but it's not a "few days" project http://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/ndss/10/pdf/21.pdf | 21:57 |
| djszapi | Sput: I said it in the past | 21:57 |
| BluesLee | djszapi: come one, please | 21:57 |
| djszapi | even on the forum actually | 21:57 |
| npm | also since qml can grab code from "the net" ... another problem that requires some qml signing | 21:57 |
| djszapi | Sput: we need to investigate about upstream credentials | 21:58 |
| djszapi | Sput: since this operation was depending on that, and not us anyways | 21:58 |
| V13 | the wiki text for adding the repo is by far the worst method to create a text file... | 21:58 |
| djszapi | and as it seemed, it did make no sense | 21:58 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: any issues with KDE password wallet ? its for some reason preventing me from using osc with a remote ssh connection | 21:58 |
| Sput | djszapi: I see :) | 21:58 |
| djszapi | V13: echo 'deb http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ./' >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/nicks.list | 21:58 |
| V13 | yeah i know :) | 21:58 |
| djszapi | Sput: I said the same about the relaxed stuff basically | 21:59 |
| mgedmin | that URL should be taken out and shot | 21:59 |
| mgedmin | good luck typing it up with the VKB | 21:59 |
| V13 | but that .. setup env vars and use tee is ... well... original :) | 21:59 |
| djszapi | sorry ? | 21:59 |
| djszapi | Sput: people just tend to argue instead of listening :) | 21:59 |
| Sput | djszapi: is relaxed mode possible again? I haven't had much time to play with the device lately | 21:59 |
| V13 | here: http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=harmattan#setup_repo_on_device | 21:59 |
| djszapi | sometimes I wonder they would like to know better the happenings than the people who actually writes the history :) | 22:00 |
| djszapi | V13 you do not need that wiki | 22:00 |
| V13 | I do not need that wiki | 22:00 |
| V13 | move along | 22:00 |
| BluesLee | that repo okay ... | 22:01 |
| V13 | :P | 22:01 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: not really | 22:01 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: btw, I tried to debug the cmake file with this pkg-config... | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: must be caused by my weird setup | 22:01 |
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| djszapi | M4rtinK: here is the relevant thread: http://www.cmake.org/pipermail/cmake/2011-November/047505.html | 22:02 |
| djszapi | let us see what cmake developers say | 22:02 |
| djszapi | I am pretty sure the FindRaptor.cmake module is somehow broken on qemu | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | looks like qemu is not emulating hard enough :) | 22:03 |
| djszapi | imho, it is a pkg-config relevant bug | 22:04 |
| djszapi | pkg-config always just causes issues | 22:04 |
| djszapi | npm: so can I get a use case, please | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | could it be caused by this non standard forced parallel build ? | 22:05 |
| djszapi | nope | 22:05 |
| djszapi | I tried to chroot into the build root, and run the cmake manually | 22:05 |
| djszapi | so it is not even actually the build stage. | 22:06 |
| djszapi | it is the build file generation stage only. | 22:06 |
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| M4rtinK | djszapi: sounds like it might be caused by the parallel execution | 22:36 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC the build scripts are run in parallel and there might be some race conditions | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | like a script that should be run after a first one finishes being run at the same time as the first one | 22:37 |
| djszapi | except that, there is no buildscript running | 22:38 |
| M4rtinK | well then - no idea :) | 22:38 |
| djszapi | me neither.. | 22:38 |
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| M4rtinK | just in case, I fixed a GTK build once (still won't build in other repositories though) by adding .NOTPARALLEL: on the very end on the rules file | 22:43 |
| djszapi | yes. you said it more times in the past. ;-) | 22:46 |
| M4rtinK | okok :D | 22:49 |
| rzr | M4rtinK: hi , didnt u ask me to merge those packages too ? | 22:49 |
| M4rtinK | rzr: which ones ? | 22:53 |
| M4rtinK | gtk-frematle ? | 22:54 |
| baptx | Nokia N9 twitter problem solved http://myn9.blogspot.com/2011/11/how-to-make-twitter-work-on-your-n9.html http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4701&highlight=twitter Thanks @jonni for the links ;) | 22:54 |
| Arkenoi | still no way to link twitter accounts to address book contacts | 22:56 |
| nix-cyrus | and only one twitter account available | 22:57 |
| nix-cyrus | and the bug with cyrillic font when using it with picture uploader<_< | 22:57 |
| Chaz6 | I would like to be able to archive peoples old phone numbers for my sms history | 22:58 |
| Chaz6 | Rather than simply replacing them | 22:58 |
| Chaz6 | Cause the old messages then no longer have a name | 22:58 |
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| rzr | M4rtinK: i think yes , u tell me | 23:03 |
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| M4rtinK | rzr: no problem with importing them | 23:06 |
| M4rtinK | but for some reason the package does not build in your repository | 23:06 |
| M4rtinK | the funny thing is it builds in one of my projects but does not in another :) | 23:07 |
| rzr | this looks a bit unreliable | 23:10 |
| rzr | maybe should i just copy your built one | 23:11 |
| rzr | but this is like dancing on eggs | 23:11 |
| rzr | once gtk is ok let's build gnome3 :) | 23:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: ping | 23:14 |
| rzr | pong ZogG | 23:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: are there plans and opportunities to port repo to apps.formeego.org ? | 23:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 23:20 |
| rzr | it does not depends only on me | 23:21 |
| rzr | i need some help for that | 23:21 |
| rzr | if anyone did upload any app to a.fm.o , i am listening | 23:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: there are 2 progs for client and it shows i think 4 on site | 23:26 |
| rzr | i'll try again to upload rsync | 23:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: it's OBS i can try to help, but i think authors should do it and not us, as copyrights, maintaining and so on | 23:27 |
| thp | idea! | 23:27 |
| thp | sed -i -e "s@^Icon=.*@Icon=/usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/icons/icon-l-calendar-`date +%d`.png@" /usr/share/applicatio | 23:27 |
| thp | ns/calendar.desktop | 23:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | thp: what does it do? | 23:27 |
| thp | it makes the calendar icon in the app grid show today's date | 23:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | thp: btw is that you was also twiking psmove for linux? | 23:28 |
| thp | ZogG_laptop: if you mean psmoveapi, then yes | 23:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | thp: it's one time thing? i mean just after i run it it shows but doesn't update? | 23:28 |
| thp | yes, you would have to run it daily | 23:28 |
| thp | and i just noticed you can skip the path and the ".png" and it still works | 23:29 |
| thp | so, is there something equivalent to cron on harmattan? | 23:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | thp: cron would help =) | 23:31 |
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| thp | hmm, there is /etc/cron.daily/ - does anybody know if scripts in there get executed? | 23:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | thp: add mail check to daily and check if it added there and how =) | 23:36 |
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| thp | nah, i'm pretty sure the built in apps use a different mechanism | 23:37 |
| artemma | there is no cron daemon in harmattan | 23:38 |
| artemma | not sure who would run these scripts | 23:38 |
| artemma | I know two ways for scheduling stuff in harmattan | 23:38 |
| artemma | syncfw and alarmd | 23:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | but why would me have cron dir with no cron? | 23:39 |
| thp | artemma: is alarmd still in there? | 23:39 |
| artemma | thp, runs my app in 1.1 just fine :) | 23:40 |
| artemma | though I fail to do proper rescheduling sometimes, but thats another story.. | 23:40 |
| thp | artemma: links to docs/example code? | 23:40 |
| artemma | it's easily googlable | 23:41 |
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| artemma | search for simpleclient | 23:41 |
| artemma | well, example is meegoexample style so you won't be able to compile it :) | 23:41 |
| artemma | but code is extractable | 23:41 |
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| artemma | or search for some of these: Maemo::Timed::Event | 23:42 |
| artemma | Maemo::Timed::Event::Action | 23:42 |
| artemma | Maemo::Timed::Interface | 23:42 |
| artemma | I don't want to share my full code and pieces are too complex for sharing | 23:42 |
| artemma | can answer questions though | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | artemma: what is the program if it's not a secret? | 23:45 |
| artemma | daily wallpaper - fetches cool wallpapers to your lockscreen from flickr | 23:45 |
| artemma | http://store.ovi.com/content/214273 | 23:45 |
| artemma | has some rescheduling problems in case of poor connection for now :D | 23:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | artemma: is it me or screen is on side? | 23:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | and free for 2011 means the next version would be paid one? | 23:50 |
| artemma | ZogG_laptop: that was actually supposed to be a very cool feature :) | 23:51 |
| artemma | Worked a lot on clever rotating and cutting | 23:51 |
| thp | nah, don't really want to spend the rest of this evening digging through the api docs :/ | 23:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | thp: leave it for tomorrow | 23:51 |
| artemma | and now many people tell that they don't want even cool landscape pics if they are rotated | 23:51 |
| artemma | So canceling rotation will probably first real feature update, after fixing these rescheduling bugs | 23:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | artemma: but the lockscreen is not rotated right? | 23:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | artemma: and would it be paid at some point? | 23:52 |
| artemma | ZogG_laptop: if wallpaper is landscapish (90% of good wallpapers are), then I display it rotated - it looks good if you position N9 in landscape | 23:53 |
| artemma | ZogG_laptop: my plan is to keep it free until the end of the year at the very least | 23:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok, than that's the reason you don't share code | 23:53 |
| artemma | then I want to leave it free for people who already downloaded if it is easy to do with ovi store (i think it is) | 23:54 |
| artemma | ZogG_laptop: nope, that's the reason for not sharing full code | 23:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh got it | 23:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah that's what i said | 23:54 |
| artemma | examples for scheduler are just ugly.. well as the scheduler interface | 23:54 |
| nix-cyrus | ZogG_laptop: he doesn't want to share code?? where is my phone number of RMS... | 23:54 |
| artemma | I am totally fine with sharing snippets | 23:55 |
| artemma | ZogG_laptop: to me it's the other way around, I can't see the reason for sharing full app code :) | 23:55 |
| artemma | as for biz model, if an app is going to be popular, I am thinking about trying subscription model via in-app purchasing. Something like 30 days for free, then x cents a month | 23:57 |
| artemma | except for the people who downloaded app when it was still fully free | 23:58 |
| artemma | that should force and encourage me for high quality updates | 23:58 |
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