IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2011-11-14

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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: mhm, looking over the fence sometimes helps decide what's cruft and what's the good stuff:
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DocScrutinizerit also seems the eMMC VANILLA image isn't known on that level of support01:13
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DocScrutinizeranyway visit and frown about the link ICP 05048969  there X-P01:27
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gabriel9anyone like CoB
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merlin1991did anyone upgrade his platformsdk from beta2 to beta3?03:20
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gabriel9no update has come to my device03:30
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z720beta3 PR1.3?03:51
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jonniz720: beta3 = pr1.1 for N95007:38
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qronicdamn, my phone just ran into MALF state10:53
qronicis that possible to boot it into console andremove the file causing MALF?10:54
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jonniqronic: if you have serial console jig for your n950, then yes, otherwise no11:22
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lardman|homemorning all11:22
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qronicjonni, what about using flasher and booting it into n950 kernel like here:
qronicwill I be able to rm -rf that file causing MALF?11:23
qronicexact command: sudo flasher --load -k vmlinuz- -n initrd.img-rescue- --boot11:23
lardman|homeanother QML question: if I create a QML graphical object (a C++ class with the appropriate wrapper) in C++ and directly insert the object into the QML context via the setContextProperty() call, how do I set properties of said object (e.g. anchors)?11:24
jonniqronic: ah yes, if nemo is able to mount the filesystem then you are able to fix malf11:24
jonniqronic: I havent tried nemo though11:25
lardman|homehmm, I guess I can use AnchorChanges {} and PropertyChanges {}11:25
lardman|homeunfortunately that requires me to generate a state change once the page loads, not the end of the world, but is there an easier way?11:26
lardman|homehmm, /me wonders if he can use a state with "" as the name to get the changes to be implemented automatically11:28
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jonnijust use setProperty() to qobject11:34
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lardman|homejonni: it would be nice to do all of the layout in qml if pos11:38
lardman|homeso yeah I could remove the PropertyChanges bit, thanks11:38
lardman|homedoes this work: states [ state { name: "", blah } ] to alter the default settings or do I need to generate an explicit state?11:39
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qronicwho knows how can I delete a file from /tmp when booting with rescue kernel?11:47
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qronicand /tmp is empty, though the MALFing file is in there11:48
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jonniqronic: malf file is not in tmp11:49
qronicIt shows on MALF screen /mylib.so11:49
qronicbut it was placed into /tmp11:50
qronicfor sure11:50
qronicand find /mnt/rootfs-ofn9 -name returns nothing11:50
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qronicas expected, since I've placed it into /tmp11:50
jonniqronic:  malf file is always at /var/malf and I'm 100% sure about it, since I've fixed tons of malf's from serial console11:51
qronicjonni, cat /var/malf shows: SECURITY telinit /mylib.so11:52
Arkenoiserial console?11:53
jonniqronic: and if you rm /var/malf, then phone boots up again, but if you have conflicting refhashlist, then it will create malf file again11:53
qronicjonni, ok, will try now, though I didn't mess with куарфырдшые11:53
Arkenoiwhat is it attached to?11:53
qronicwith refhashlist11:53
qronicArkenoi, usb with rescue kernel booted via flasher11:53
jonniArkenoi: serial console pins which are under the n950 battery.11:53
jonniqronic: if refhashlist is at valid state then rm /var/malf should fix it just fine11:54
Arkenoijonni: are they similar to other nokia phones?11:55
jonniArkenoi: I have no idea11:55
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qronicjonni, it did boot!11:56
qronicthank you! gotta remember that /var/malf filename for future MALF states11:57
dm8tbrqronic: care to add it to the meego wiki how to fix a malf? :)11:58
jonnioh btw that only fixes the most common malf states, ie if you happen to mess up really system critical bins, then the malf can only be fixed by reflashing.11:58
qronicit's not a fix :) it's more of  a "try to boot another time, maybe MALF is gone"11:58
qronicdm8tbr, where's the wiki url?12:01
dm8tbr - maybe not to the page itself, but create another page under N950/foo and link to it from there12:02
dm8tbr sounds like a good place to add such a link12:02
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Corsacjonni: do you know if there's a way to receive a mail when info is added to a bug on developer.n.c?12:05
jonniCorsac: no idea, I dont really use that site at all12:11
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Corsacjonni: ha, ok12:30
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diggyhi all12:31
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qronicdm8tbr, I've created a draft page12:47
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* lardman comes to the conclusion that he really does need to make a serial cable to debug his kernel module oops13:09
lardmanwrong channel, not very harmattan related13:10
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diggycan I get some help updating to 39-5?14:28
hiemanshujust ask14:31
diggytried updating from beta1 OTA and bricked14:31
diggynow trying to update from laptop and I get:14:31
diggyError claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy14:31
diggyopenSUSE 11.414:31
hiemanshurun this is another terminal 'while true; do modprobe -r cdc_phonet; done' as root, and run the update again14:32
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infobothiemanshu meant: run thin is another terminal 'while true; do modprobe -r cdc_phonet; done' as root, and run the update again14:32
hiemanshuand Ctrl-C it once the flashing is done14:32
Arkenoiblacklist it14:33
E0x_i just put cdc_phonet and phonet in blacklist14:33
hiemanshuor that14:33
diggyI've done sudo modprobe -r cdc_phonet on the same terminal before updating14:33
Arkenoiotherwise it will be reloaded between two flashing stages and you get bricked14:33
diggythanks Arkenoi, will try now14:33
diggyand report back14:34
diggynow, when connecting I get: ERROR: Unable to enumerate USB buses!14:38
hiemanshuredo it14:38
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*** andre__ has joined #harmattan14:39 my tracker database is screwed again14:41
Arkenoiand i am afraid it is definitely sowatch to blame :-(14:42
sandst1Arkenoi: screwed as in..?14:45
RST38hsandst1: screwed as in fucked up.14:45
petterwthere seems to be a bug in the screen brightness logic in standby mode on n914:48
petterwit gets brighter when showing only the clock14:48
petterwin powersaving14:48
petterwopposite of the behavior in non-powersaving14:48
SpeedEvilDoes the clock move around the screen?14:48
sandst1RST38h: woo, thanks.14:49
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Arkenoisandst1, tracker-store eating cpu and draining battery, forever, no new messages appear in conversations, etc14:50
petterwhmm, can't reproduce it when i entered power saving mode manually14:50
petterwbut it shows up when i have automatic power saving at 20% battery14:50
sandst1Arkenoi: i guess you previously performed a hard-reset when all the contacts disappeared..?14:50
Arkenoisandst1, yes, i restored from backup and disabled google sync just to be sure it is not causing any problems. i waited a few days and then enabled sowatch again and the same day i got similar problems14:52
sandst1Arkenoi: ok. have you tried --soft-reset? That does the same as hard-reset but it should restore the contents of tracker store after the processes have restarted14:54
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Arkenoihmm, seems that it helps14:57
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diggyflashing update: got flash started stops with bb5 errors15:07
diggyI guess I'll have to try instructions from
diggybut how do I get the images out of the bin?15:07
Arkenoisandst1, actually no, it did not. after reboot all my contacts and messages disappeared15:09
Arkenoijust like after hard reset15:09
sandst1Arkenoi: damnn.15:12
hiemanshudiggy: well if you get something like bb5_rdc_cert_read_failed something, it wont work for you with opensuse 11.4, try windows or an older distro15:13
sandst1Arkenoi: how long did you wait after soft-reset before rebooting?15:14
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Arkenoia few minutes. and there was no tracker-store process indexing as one may expect if it was empty just while performing reindex15:16
hiemanshudiggy: see
diggyhiemanshu: yeap I'm on that15:16
sandst1Arkenoi: ok15:17
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sandst1Arkenoi: out of curiosity, running soft-reset here too :P15:18
E0x_nokia bh-505 headset are great !15:20
vadimq_hi, is there a list of the software available for the N9?15:25
vadimq_cool, thanks :-) Also, is it very difficult to port N900 packages to it?15:27
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djszapiX-Fade: do you have an idea about this soprano build issue ?
djszapiX-Fade: raptor is mentioned in the dependencies. Yet, if you check out the cmake stage, it does not mention that as found. Wonder why ..15:29
djszapiwe have a Harmattan KDE sprint this weekend, and it should work. It seems to be a blocker so far for no sane reasons. :(15:30
djszapiit even installs raptor, the dependency in the beginning, if you check out ..15:31
X-Fadedjszapi: let me check.15:31
djszapithanks really ..15:32
djszapiM4rtinK: could you please make a local soprano build whether it works for you ?15:33
djszapicould not still get a static qemu :(15:33
M4rtinKM4rtinK: OK, I'll give it a try :)15:33
Arkenoisandst1, ..and? :-)15:33
M4rtinKdjszapi: BTW, what about an Ubuntu VM as a workaround ? :)15:34
djszapiM4rtinK: static qemu is probably much easier to set up than that.15:34
djszapicould not really find the time, nor documentation how to do that.15:34
djszapi./configure --static what I tried.15:35
djszapidid not really work out15:35
X-Fadedjszapi: I don't see it actually doing a check for raptor?15:35
djszapiX-Fade: you see it well15:36
djszapiI was also wondering about that ... Actually that is the problem I guess ..15:36
X-Fadedjszapi: Is there perhaps an --enable-raptor switch or something like that?15:36
djszapiworks in sb15:37
djszapiwith the current switches15:37
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djszapioption(SOPRANO_DISABLE_RAPTOR_PARSER "Disable compilation of Raptor parser plugin")15:37
djszapioption(SOPRANO_DISABLE_RAPTOR_SERIALIZER "Disable compilation of Raptor RDF serializer plugin")15:37
X-Fadedjszapi: You can check in SB what check it does to determine raptor is there.15:37
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sandst1Arkenoi: not much success :P Just wondering that is Tracker really losing all the stuff or is there just something that isn't repopulated15:38
djszapiX-Fade and that is off by default15:38
X-Fadedjszapi: Strange thing is that you see it doing checks for CLucene for instance.15:38
X-FadeBut not raptor.15:38
djszapiindeed strange..15:38
X-Fadedjszapi: It might be that include dirs are different or something like that.15:40
X-Fadedjszapi: Check the code of configure where it mentions raptor.15:41
djszapiI did check. Posted you above ;-)15:41
X-Fadedjszapi: No, I mean the source.15:41
djszapiif that option is off, it tries to use find_package15:41
djszapiyes, that is what I meant to say15:41
matrixxX-Fade: I have now my themechanger project compiled for harmattan in COBS @ home:matrixx:themechanger. I also added icon and screenshots according to publishing instructions. What I need to do now to get it in :)15:41
djszapiX-Fade: interestingly enough, it does not check rasqal either15:42
X-Fadedjszapi: and it doesn't give an error either.15:42
matrixxX-Fade: thanks15:43
X-Fadematrixx: Let me know if that works for you :)15:43
djszapiX-Fade:   find_package(Raptor 2.0.4)15:43
djszapi  find_package(Redland)15:43
djszapithey are in the same pack.15:43
djszapiboth or none should work.15:43
djszapiand redland works in the log ..15:43
X-Fadedjszapi: Check the code for find_package15:44
X-Fadedjszapi: Also the install script is broken in that package15:44
X-Fadedjszapi: As it should not try to install it if it isn't a build target.15:44
X-FadeBut that is a minor issue :)15:45
djszapiI wish we would be there, at the install part ..15:45
djszapihave zero clue here.15:45
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matrixxX-Fade: "Unable to submit to MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Testing15:45
X-Fadematrixx: Congrats, you found my first typo :)15:46
X-Fadematrixx: Should be MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing15:46
X-Fadematrixx: fixing wiki page.15:46
matrixxam I the first one who copy pasted it? :D15:46
X-Fadematrixx: done15:47
matrixxok, that worked :)15:47
X-Fadematrixx: Let's see what happens.15:47
matrixxyeah :)15:51
djszapiX-Fade well no clue ... apparently the same can be said about the software author ..15:55
X-Fadedjszapi: My guess is that it is probably a path issue15:56
sandst1Arkenoi: well. turns out, in n9, tracker has no journal. Sooo, hard-reset == soft-reset in harmattan...15:57
X-FadeBut again, it should show something at least.15:57
djszapiX-Fade what path issue ?15:57
X-Fadedjszapi: Maybe searches in wrong path?15:58
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djszapiX-Fade: where ?15:58
X-Fadedjszapi: You tell me15:58
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M4rtinKdjszapi: the local build is finally started to do something after getting all the necessary dependencies15:58
djszapiX-Fade: the FindRaptor.cmake module looks for raptor.h15:58
djszapiit is present on my system15:59
M4rtinKbtw, any chance of getting rid of the "No AEGIS_HASH_FDS environment" messages in the near future ? makes working with logs quite a pain15:59
djszapibloeee Sebastian uses pkg config ...15:59
djszapiM4rtinK: well, I proposed a solution to X-Fade on bugzilla ...15:59
djszapibug must be seen :)15:59
X-Fadedjszapi: I can setup a second harmattan target one of these days where we can play with the project config of the project in OBS.16:00
X-Fadedjszapi: Then we can try to get rid of the aegis messages without breaking the current setup.16:01
djszapiwhat do you mean ?16:01
djszapioh testing ... of course.16:01
X-FadeI had the aegis stuff enabled before, but it broke dpkg badly.16:01
X-FadeSo I must have done something wrong ;)16:01
djszapiyes, I think I wrote what..16:02
M4rtinKX-Fade: good to know - might be also useful for finding the root cause of all those inconsistent build failures (libgtk, etc.)16:02
* djszapi dislikes pkg-config from A to Z :)16:02
X-FadeM4rtinK: Yeah, I just need an extra set of hands.16:02
M4rtinKyeah, tell me about it :D16:02
djszapiX-Fade: well, the publishing thingie is more important ...16:03
djszapilet us not catch up with the down-time meego page ...16:03
X-Fadedjszapi: The packages I test with all publish fine?16:04
djszapisorry ?16:04
djszapiyou know, the thingie we discussed :)16:04
X-Fadedjszapi: Do you still see publishing issues then?16:04
djszapiI am not sure you had half a day for that16:04
djszapiif you fixed that, probably okay ..16:04
X-FadeMight be, probably had half a night somewhere.16:05
matrixxX-Fade: do you know how long does it approximately takes to the package arrive to staging?16:06
X-Fadematrixx: It just finished a trial build.16:06
X-Fadematrixx: Now it will so some additional checks and after that move it to Testing. (Where it will build again)16:06
matrixxX-Fade: nice, can I follow its progress somewhere?16:07
X-Fadematrixx: You will receive mails at certain poits.16:07
X-Fadematrixx: It just got accepted into Testing.16:08
matrixxX-Fade: ok, nice to know, I'm soon going to leave to MobileMonday meeting, after that I can remotely follow by email :)16:08
diggyhiemanshu I got it working, thanks for the help!16:09
X-Fadematrixx: And if you did not receive any email, ping me too :)16:09
matrixxX-Fade: ok :)16:09
djszapiX-Fade I have no idea how to proceed with this soprano issue ..16:11
X-Fadedjszapi: Let's see if what Martin's local build does?16:11
X-Fadedjszapi: If the build fails, he can just cd into the build root and see it more clearly.16:12
djszapiX-Fade would not really help anything to me knowing the results though16:12
X-Fadedjszapi: only if he doesn't speak to you :)16:13
djszapiwe will see ..16:13
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djszapiis there a page about building static qemu ?16:14
djszapiI have just read pages with tons of problems around that, like mailing list ..16:14
Stskeepsdjszapi: sec16:14
Stskeepsline 5316:14
djszapiI tried to use this arch build by adding the --static keyword few weeks ago: But it also had some obscure issues16:15
vladesthi all16:16
vladestwhere is to get skype for n950?16:16
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Tronicvladest: Me want to know, too.16:17
vladesti see16:17
djszapito avoid the misunderstanding: N950 is a developer device16:17
djszapiit is not meant to be for personal usage.16:17
djszapiStskeeps: do I need to add something special for x86 build ?16:20
matrixxX-Fade: yey it's there :)16:20
matrixxX-Fade: though no single email notification came16:20
X-Fadematrixx: Now do you have themes too? :)16:20
X-Fadematrixx: Ok, need to look at that.16:21
Stskeepsdjszapi: no, unless your gcc doesn't generate 64-bit by standard16:21
matrixxX-Fade: no, I'm not graphically skilled16:21
matrixxX-Fade: I'm depending on joppu to create some :)16:21
X-Fadematrixx: I wonder how to test it otherwise :)16:21
djszapiStskeeps: heh, it already stops in the first place at the downloading, because of the proxy :)16:22
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djszapiwill fix that, and try.16:22
djszapiif it succeeds, it would be nice to share with other arch users.16:22
djszapiStskeeps: is it a long time to build static qemu ?16:23
Stskeepsdjszapi: 10 mins or so16:23
Stskeepsinstall nss-devel, i think16:26
matrixxX-Fade: you can create test theme following these instructions:
matrixxI used gimp script-fu to run all blanco items through a color filter and copied that as a test theme16:26
matrixxbut can't publish it since blanco is not open16:27
djszapiStskeeps: I have everything installed about that16:27
matrixx*blanco icons16:27
X-Fadematrixx: Yeah, that is a problem.16:27
Stskeepsdjszapi: and the development packages?16:27
Stskeeps / headers16:27
djszapiStskeeps: arch uses monolythic packages (ie.: no -dev -data and so on)16:28
Stskeepsdjszapi: ok16:28
Stskeepsdjszapi: find somewhere i guess16:28
djszapipacman -Qo /usr/lib/libsmime3.so16:29
djszapi/usr/lib/ is owned by nss 3.12.11-316:29
X-Fadematrixx: Found the cause of you not getting the email, will be fixed for you next package submit :)16:30
Stskeepsdjszapi: ah..16:30
Stskeepsdjszapi: you need the static .a's16:30
djszapiso build all the deps manually with static flags ?16:31
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Stskeepsthink nss should be enough16:32
djszapiso any sample for building nss manually for static usage ? :)16:32
vladestdjszapi: can you explain connection between "developer device", "not for personal use" and "skype"?16:32
djszapivladest: skype is not needed for development, but for personal usage.16:34
djszapiit is a plus already there are available ui account plugins.16:34
djszapithe skype is even worse story since that requires licenses and all those stuff.16:35
Stskeepsdjszapi: no sorry, not sure how it works for arch16:35
djszapiStskeeps: what would be the location and name of the relevant static library ?16:36
Stskeepsdjszapi: /usr/lib/libsmime3.a i think16:36
djszapiok, so that is not there :/16:36
M4rtinKdjszapi: well, on the other hand I would say a development device should be quite close to the consumer device16:37
M4rtinKto test how your app interacts with all the other components, etc.16:38
X-FadeM4rtinK: Probably licensed for N9 only.16:38
M4rtinKif it fits the look and feel of other apps and stuff16:38
djszapiM4rtinK: you have the remote device for that test stage16:38
djszapithat is also a plus after all16:38
M4rtinKoh of course - almost forgot about that :)16:39
djszapiand the components /are/ there.16:39
djszapiM4rtinK: btw, is it really that long to build soprano ? :)16:41
vladestdjszapi: this is the only explanation of absence skype on n950?16:42
djszapiyes, of course.16:42
M4rtinKfirst I got a 400 error, then it got stuck at downloading packages, then it complained that there is not enogh disk space16:42
djszapimeh.. :)16:42
djszapiStskeeps: that libsmime.a is not there on ubuntu, debian, opensuse either.16:43
M4rtinKlast time I got an error that looked like being caused by corrupted buildroot16:43
M4rtinKso right now trying with --clean16:43
Stskeepsdjszapi: long story short: you need static versions of the libraries you link to in order to get a static binary16:43
djszapiunfortunately, I do not have the time to build all the deps manually and figure them out how they build properly in static mode :/16:45
djszapibut thanks anyway.16:45
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djszapiM4rtinK: so this local "osc" is not a dream either :)16:46
M4rtinKstill faster than the remote one :)16:47
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djszapiM4rtinK: do you have this /usr/lib/libsmime.a ?16:50
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djszapiM4rtinK: could you manage it after all ?17:45
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M4rtinKjust got back18:03
djszapiM4rtinK: I am thinking of just installing deb packages on arch: )18:03
djszapito get static qemu18:03
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M4rtinKgood luck :)18:06
djszapiM4rtinK: so did it build ?18:07
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djszapiM4rtinK: could you send me the link of that debian/ubuntu package ?18:09
M4rtinKdjszapi: dying witht the same error as in the online build ( )18:11
djszapiM4rtinK: could you please follow X-Fade's instruction ?18:11
M4rtinKdjszapi: thit is the package:
M4rtinKwhich instructions ?18:13
djszapiM4rtinK: cd into the root and check around18:15
djszapi"If the build fails, he can just cd into the build root and see it more clearly."18:16
M4rtinKhmm, it has been a while since I did this18:17
M4rtinKneed to find the commands for this first :)18:17
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M4rtinKdjszapi: BTW, my soprano version is about 3 weeks old, did you update it since then ?18:18
djszapiM4rtinK: those ubuntu qemu packages are rather old18:18
M4rtinKI'm not really sure that the automatic update propagation in OBS actually works18:19
djszapiM4rtinK: no, it has not really been built for that bunch of weeks :)18:19
M4rtinKha, ok18:19
M4rtinKwell, this is the same package I'm using18:19
M4rtinKas I'm still running the Ubuntu Natty release from April this year18:20
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djszapiM4rtinK: I have basically the same issue with "osc build" like without the qemu static build18:25
djszapiit is not the culsprit imho18:25
Piruwoah. just noticed that GIMP chokes with N9 photos18:27
Pirueats 100% cpu trying to load them18:28
djszapiM4rtinK: and I did install the qemu-user-static package from the page you linked.18:28
M4rtinKdjszapi: but is it actually using those files ?18:29
djszapino real clue18:29
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M4rtinKmight not be listed in PATH, etc.18:29
djszapiactually, I even deleted my old qemu installations, so cannot really be file clash.18:30
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djszapiM4rtinK: well, you can try to build it manually and see in that chroot ...18:36
M4rtinKdjszapi: looks like I found the commands:
M4rtinKany idea where is the default OSC chroot located ?18:39
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nibbleris there any documentation for the inner workings of the harmattan calendar? where contents are put and in which format?18:42
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grinibbler: I guess tracker backend like most things in harmattan19:15
DocScrutinizernow I hope they don't abuse tracker as a generic db now19:18
DocScrutinizertracker is a terribly abused concept already, even without storing calendar appointments to it19:19
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grithey store emails, contacts and messages to tracker19:21
griso I assume they also use it for calendar19:21
fralsnibbler: its based on kcal19:22
DocScrutinizerI'd like to point to /home/user/.calendar/db19:22
fralsnibbler: source for kcalcoren and mkcal should be on gitorious afaik19:22
grithen I might be wrong, yay :)19:22
DocScrutinizerand yeah :-\   /home/user/.contacts/tracker19:23
DocScrutinizerseems while virtually everybody agreed on tracker got to die, on fremantle, they nevertheless extended its usage on HARM19:25
DocScrutinizerturning tracker from a spotlight/kerry-beagle backend to a generic alternative filesystem&general-purpose-database just feels so terribly wrong, I can't say...19:26
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DocScrutinizera general rule that a lot of qualified devels agreed upon was that no app should stop working just on uninstalling tracker all together. Except of course the original tracker query frontend which quite obviously can't work without the backend. But for all other apps tracker should and must be mere optional convenience thing and primary storage concept still based on classic filesystem with pathnames and all. Apple tried to go this "let'19:31
DocScrutinizers forget about directories" path and as we all know more or less failed on it19:31
SpeedEvilIn some ways apples other attempt - resource forks - seems sane.19:32
SpeedEvilIt's even not - too - hard to extend to unix-like - you just make the resource fork a negative offset.19:33
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djszapiM4rtinK: no clue, ask X-Fade please.19:42
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M4rtinKX-Fade: where is the default OSC local build root ? :)19:46
M4rtinKthe one you get after running "osc build MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard  armv7el" inside the local working copy of a package19:47
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djszapi~seen wazd19:51
infobotwazd <> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 25d 20h 10m 20s ago, saying: 'Milhouse: easter egg for geeks? :)'.19:51
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jabisBluesLee: how did it go with the feed-thingy :)19:54
djszapiM4rtinK: did you get my pm ?19:58
BluesLeejabis: it works, i.e. you can display some text on the event screen using a local rss feed20:03
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BluesLeejabis: i think its limited to 5 lines, maybe i will use it for displaying some "static" data, todos, notes etc20:05
BluesLeejabis: if you are interested i can post a thread on tmo but i think there are better ways using the event api ( i guess there is one)20:06
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strannik1Anyone know where i can apply for the n95020:19
strannik1I applied one earlier ,, but i know figured out i applied for the commercial dev kit20:19
strannik1Not the community edition20:19
DocScrutinizertoo late20:21
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DocScrutinizerthere's been an initial batch of 250 devices, later came a 50 batch on top of that - and I guess that's been it20:27
strannik1My english is terrible today20:28
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strannik1DocScrutinizer: i know its over. But apparently nokia has a lot of n950s just sitting collecting dust20:29
strannik1Ofcourse it could just be a rumour20:29
DocScrutinizerthat's mostly unclear - what's however pretty clear: today you got a way better chance to get a N950 via commercial program rather than community program20:29
strannik1Hmm well I do want to start a business and one of the things i want to do is a phone app ;)20:30
strannik1Or do you think thats not good enough? Haha20:31
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DocScrutinizerI think you should start your business, register with as corporate member, and then ask for a device there. No way to get one via community program20:32
DocScrutinizerunless Quim would pop up on twitter or FMC with "hey people, I have another NNN devices to give away here!"20:33
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DocScrutinizernote that also launchpad individual doesn't offer devices - usually. you need the corporate account20:37
jabis forgot this whole convo - goddamn fever20:39
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Velmont << Barnes & Noble Exposes Microsoft's "Trivial" Patents and Strategy Against Android ~pj Updated --- Many parts Nokia in there as well.21:03
strannik1DocScrutinizer: yea well looks like a good motivator to start my business21:04
strannik1I want to start a business anyway21:04
strannik1But ,, its hard getting motivation .. Haha maybe i can see the n950 as one of the motivators21:04
strannik1When i release my app it will be a geo specific app. Not saying anymore :)21:05
strannik1It is actually quite cool how most countries in europe now offer a program where you can start a company with 0 money21:06
strannik1But you have to pay back whenever you accumalate money21:06
M4rtinKX-Fade: ping21:08
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ZogG_laptopgot update, apps for meego o_O21:10
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ZogG_laptoplardman|home: \o/21:21
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: ping21:21
strannik1X fade pong21:21
lardman|homehey ZogG_laptop21:21
ZogG_laptopstrannik1: ne shuti21:21
ZogG_laptoplardman|home: sup sup sup21:21
lardman|homeam just doing some mBarcode coding, getting scanning re-integrated21:22
ZogG_laptopfor n9? yummy21:22
lardman|homen950, but should work on either21:23
lardman|homeand indeed the N900 I imagine, must get that toolchain setup again21:23
ZogG_laptoplardman|home: if you need n9 testers to anycode you know where to find me21:24
ZogG_laptopbtw do you have tweeter?21:25
lardman|homewill ping you once I have this sorted, hopefully next day or two, depending on baby interruptions (which really take a toll on concentration!)21:25
lardman|homeno, what's tweeter?21:25
lardman|homeah yeah I do, but don't use it much :)21:26
ZogG_laptopit's a pitty21:26
ZogG_laptoppm me your nickname os i can add you anyway21:26
lardman|homemy recent tweets would not be that exciting for the general populace - she smiled, she giggled, nappy change, etc. ;)21:27
ZogG_laptopgirl ah?21:27
lardman|homesimon_pickering I think, but not altogether sure, will have to see what I get auto-logged into when I head back to work21:27
lardman|homeyeah pics on facebook:
lardman|homeno idea whether that's available to view mind you21:28
lardman|home might work21:30
ZogG_laptoplardman|home: is it me or she is fingering me21:32
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lardman|homelol, that sounds rather dodgy21:32
lardman|homegiving someone the finger, i.e swearing, is not the same thing....21:33
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infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
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nibblerfrals: obvious location :-) thanks.21:49
nibblersqlite... me gusta. how convenient.21:49
ZogG_laptopfrals: is there any official harmattan bugtracker?21:50
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Sazpaimonld: ../arm/Release/bin/lightspark: hidden symbol `__sync_sub_and_fetch_4' in /usr/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.4.1/libgcc.a(linux-atomic.o) is referenced by DSO21:58
Sazpaimongod what the hell21:58
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lbt Any artistic types need an open-hardware colorimeter?
SpeedEvilIf you point a colorimieter at a person, you get heartrate and respiration rate.22:49
SpeedEvil(after a couple of FFTs)22:49
SpeedEvilWorks over video.22:49
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: the evil scrutinizer :-D22:54
SpeedEvilIt would be a cool phone app22:54
DocScrutinizerfriend showed me Layar, on anna22:55
DocScrutinizercool shit22:55
DocScrutinizer(no sybian phone here, so no idea about that stuff)22:55
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strannik1You get a persons heartrate? How does that work? It measures the breathing....?22:56
SpeedEvilstrannik1: The colour changes with the pulse.22:56
DocScrutinizerno, the red "shift" in face22:56
SpeedEvilOf the skin.22:56
strannik1What if its a black person haha22:56
DocScrutinizerfor each heartbeat you get a red spike22:57
SpeedEvilStill happens, though less measurable.22:57
DocScrutinizerstrannik1: doesn't matter22:57
strannik1Haha , i read posts where facedetection software in cameras couldnt pick up chinese people22:58
strannik1Thats quite a cool app22:58
DocScrutinizerhaha I heard chinese people think all westerners got long nose22:58
strannik1A bit scary though, could be used in poker or as some sort of lie detector22:58
DocScrutinizerthat's what it IS used for22:59
strannik1I am googling it now22:59
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DocScrutinizerI bet SpeedEvil has some cool URL links for you23:01
DocScrutinizerI mustn't share my links or I would have to kill you ;-P23:03
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DocScrutinizerhonestly you got no idea of what's really going on in this field of science23:03
strannik1Haha yea there is so much info on this23:05
strannik1But its hard to find the facial recognition and heart beat stuff23:05
SpeedEvilWe present a simple, low-cost method for measuring multiple  physiological parameters using a basic webcam. By applying independent  component analysis on the color channels in video recordings, we  extracted the blood volume pulse from the facial regions. Heart rate  (HR), respiratory rate, and HR variability (HRV, an index for cardiac  autonomic activity) were subsequently quantified and compared to  corresponding measurements using Food and Dru23:06
DocScrutinizermass spectrometers size of half a sugar cube in each building's wase water pipe, not really science fiction. They already calculate the *true* turnaround of cocaine in London from alayzing Rhames water...23:06
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: It's more in the rhine IIRC23:06
strannik1Oh wow , that is crazy23:07
DocScrutinizermass spectrometers size of half a sugar cube in each building's waste water pipe, not really science fiction. They already calculate the *true* turnaround of cocaine in London from analyzing Thames water...23:07
strannik111 tons of pure cocaine a yeaar sounds a bit excessive23:08
SpeedEvilThat's not each.23:09
strannik1Going to build a massive coke filter and put it in the rivers.... Profit :)23:10
DocScrutinizerI bet synthesizing in CERN is cheaper23:10
strannik1Yea i know .. Its the whole population who live near the river23:10
strannik1Are you all chemists haha23:11
strannik1Ahh ,, ok the nuclear orginization23:11
nix-cyrusgeophysics :)23:11
strannik1Ahh ok ,, cern - hadron collider .. Now it makes sense23:12
DocScrutinizerwell, maybe not really as on the current energy costs, E=MC^2 will make synthesized coke from CERN friggin expensive23:12
strannik1But is it possible?23:12
DocScrutinizersure, "no problem"23:12
DocScrutinizerconverting mercury to gold is extremely simple23:13
DocScrutinizersynthesizing cocaine is a bit more demanding, but theoretically feasible23:13
strannik1Just attach a nuclear power station to it.. And maybe the costs will be lower than the income23:13
strannik1Converting mercury to gold??? Ok you lost me23:14
DocScrutinizertrivial pursuit knowledge23:14
strannik1Changing the particles of mercury or quick silver leads to a unbalanced / or instable equation as far as i know23:14
DocScrutinizershoot neutron/proton/whatever shit at mercury and it converts to gold23:15
strannik1But only for a split second?23:15
strannik1Because it will be unstable?23:15
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DocScrutinizerIleave this up to the interested reader to find out about it, as an exercise23:16
strannik1If its the case i am getting a neutron/proton/some shit gun :323:16
nix-cyruswith the speed more than light-speed?)23:16
strannik1I dont think they got it right with the recent neutrino project23:18
strannik1Apparently they go faster than the speed of light23:18
strannik1But there must be an error somewhere in their calculations23:19
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nix-cyrusI heard about error with time via GPS23:20
Sazpaimonld: ../arm/Release/bin/lightspark: hidden symbol `__sync_sub_and_fetch_4' in /usr/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.4.1/libgcc.a(linux-atomic.o) is referenced by DSO23:21
Sazpaimoncan anyone help determine what this error means23:21
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: who is working on apps for meego except X-Fade?23:22
DocScrutinizerZogG_laptop: the dark force command23:23
DocScrutinizererr, sorry -  could you rephrase the question please?23:24
strannik1Hmm apparently if you make gold in a nuclear reactor the result will be radio active gold23:25
DocScrutinizerdang, what an epic fail! radioactive gold, and I thought it was a smart idea to synthesize it on less than 100,000 bucks per gram23:27
mgedmincall it an anti-theft measure23:27
mgedmintake out loans backed by your hoard of gold23:27
DocScrutinizerprolly your Thames cocaine will stink like shit, but then it only costs a tenth of that gold23:28
strannik1You have to wear a protective suit to get it exchanged for money23:28
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: it would make more sence if i'll say "apps for meego" app23:28
DocScrutinizerno idea23:28
ZogG_laptopmgedmin: oh, you here, i wanted to ask you something23:29
strannik1Radioactive gold vs shit smelling cocaine is a hard one haha23:29
ZogG_laptopstrannik1: it reminds me of story with king who turned anything he touched in gold23:29
nix-cyrusit is from greeks mith)23:30
strannik1ZogG_laptop: true yea23:31
ZogG_laptopanit was funny to see it in god of wars game23:32
ZogG_laptopdamn sitting here in front of laptop, openned new main.c to write some code and got black out =)23:32
strannik1Apparently some prototype nuclear reactor in russia in 71 had a protective steel coat in the core. After they fired up the reactor it turned the steel into gold ... I need to get myself on of em reactors :)23:33
DocScrutinizerking midas23:33
* mgedmin is waiting for ZogG_laptop's question23:33
ZogG_laptopused too much visualstudio not to remember things =)23:33
ZogG_laptopstrannik1: rumors are so rumors23:34
ZogG_laptopmgedmin: oh sorry man23:34
strannik1Oh and it says that after time it decays back into lead23:34
strannik1Oh he used lead ,, not steel .. My bad23:34
DocScrutinizermgedmin: ZogG_laptop has a record to highlight users for nuttin23:34
ZogG_laptopmgedmin: i was wondering if you can add something to bot23:34
mgedminbot? which bot?23:35
ZogG_laptopor what's it name?23:35
mgedminyes, that's the bot23:35
nix-cyrusstrannik1: 71? not 86?23:35
ZogG_laptopmgedmin: did i pass first question right? yeah \o/23:35
ZogG_laptopmgedmin: i thought it would be useful to have command like ~wtf, if used bot would PM you 15-25 last sentences that were said on chan23:36
DocScrutinizermgedmin: he wants bot to answer with "/msg $user <last ten lines of chan log>" on a inquiry like "pocbot: backscroll"23:37
ZogG_laptopso if you got timeouted or you just logged in you can catch up to the conversation23:37
mgedminwell, povbot is supybot; if you can find a plugin, I can probably maybe turn it on23:37
mgedminother than that, check out channel logs :)23:37
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: hey... hey... i can handle myself23:37
mgedmintip: the HTML is cron-generated every 5 minutes, but if you drop the .html suffix, you'll get an up-to-date plain text log23:37
DocScrutinizerchan logs was wjat I suggested ;-P23:38
mgedminpersonally, I use an irc bouncer (znc) for precisely the reason you outlined23:38
DocScrutinizermgedmin: wow, didn't know that23:38
ZogG_laptopyeah but sometimes they are too long to find and scroll23:38
ZogG_laptopchange tag in awesome and so on23:38
mgedminpressing <end> doesn't take long23:38
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mgedminunless you're on a slooooooow internet connection23:38
DocScrutinizermgedmin: I offerede to him to use my ZNC, he didn't even answer ;-)23:38
mgedminit's less convenient than your ~wtf, and even more less convenient than ZNC23:39
ZogG_laptopmgedmin: btw if i ue bouncer and timeouted it would resync conversation right?23:39
ZogG_laptopmgedmin: it ould be helpfull when you are from phone23:39
ZogG_laptopn9 e.g.23:39
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: i want !! i want!! gimmie one23:40
mgedminI'm never sure if I see everything, or if there's a chance some messages are lost before znc notices I timed out...23:40
Chaz6Anyone heard any more about the problem with PR1.123:40
mgedminthere's a setting where znc will give you the last N lines of conversation even if you've already seen them; then nothing is lost23:40
ZogG_laptopChaz6: what problem?23:41
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ZogG_laptopexpect i don't know if it's new email setting i made or battery really ends faster than in 1.023:41
Chaz6I heard there is an issue with it which is why it has been delayed on the sku's it hasnt been released for yet23:41
ZogG_laptopmgedmin: if i just connect would show them as well ?23:42
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: so i'll order one kilo of ZNC if your offer is still in power23:42
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mgedminyes, znc is useful when you log in in the middle of an interesting conversation23:43
ZogG_laptopdamnit, 3 languages is too much when window can't remember the last one i used23:43
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strannik1Oh an irc bot ...23:48
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mgedmina bouncer, rather23:49
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DocScrutinizerit's a bouncer aka proxy, no bot23:49
nix-cyrusZogG_laptop: 4to za bouncer?23:50
DocScrutinizerZogG: nah, sorry. That offer been a one day thing23:50
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DocScrutinizerI offered, you ignored it, done23:51
ZogG_laptopnix-cyrus: it's like when you go offline you are still online here23:53
ZogG_laptopin simple words23:53
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ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: i didn't see it, as i without it and timeouted =\23:53
ZogG_laptopgabriel9: just ask23:53
ZogG_laptopgabriel9: and no23:53
gabriel9what to ask :D23:54
strannik1Nigt night .. Too tired23:54
strannik1Off to sleep23:54
gabriel9good night23:54
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ZogG_laptopgabriel9: to flash or nnot23:55
gabriel9do you have something against me? Please sorry if i was pain in the ass, but i did not sleap for days, coding 10 days without free day and i buy a phone which does not work(spent whole my paychek)  so if you can understand me just a little  a bit :)23:57
gabriel9please forgive * this coffe is gone kill me23:57
ZogG_laptopgabriel9: i was joking23:57
ZogG_laptopand i can understand you, it cost me more than i can eford23:57
ZogG_laptophow do you spell it23:58
gabriel9and no i will not flash :D denmark will get the updates just alittle later23:58
ZogG_laptopand don't falsh, btw how does it doesn't work?23:58
ZogG_laptopwhat was you coding btw?23:59
ZogG_laptopnothing except something for meego is accepted btw23:59
gabriel9:D Zend Framework23:59
gabriel9but also for meego :)23:59

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