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| gabriel9 | i want my updates | 00:20 |
| gabriel9 | can i install nano on N) | 00:21 |
| gabriel9 | N9 | 00:21 |
| nix-cyrus | gabriel9: yes you can | 00:23 |
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| gabriel9 | nice | 00:23 |
| gabriel9 | i tried to create simple app | 00:26 |
| gabriel9 | and for now i just created icon, which is nice and textarea | 00:26 |
| ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, | 00:29 |
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| mgedmin | vim is better than nano ;) | 00:59 |
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| Tronic | Magnetized needle ja butterflies! | 01:04 |
| Tronic | s/ja/and/ | 01:05 |
| infobot | Tronic meant: Magnetized needle and butterflies! | 01:05 |
| nix-cyrus | mgedmin: vim is nice.. but why there is no emacs for N9? :) | 01:06 |
| ajalkane | Emacs is an OS. N9's OS is Harmattan. | 01:07 |
| Tronic | I was trying to skip all of that. | 01:08 |
| nix-cyrus | ajalkane: so.. dual boot :D | 01:11 |
| ajalkane | nix-cyrus: yeah, dual-booting should be possible since PR1.1 so we're all set for Emacs :) | 01:12 |
| nix-cyrus | :) | 01:12 |
| ZogG_N9 | i downloaded vim, not working, though without hw kbrd vim wouldnt be tge same | 01:14 |
| ZogG_N9 | nix-cyrus, btw get screenshotmee, nice app | 01:14 |
| nix-cyrus | ZogG_N9: vi is default app | 01:15 |
| ZogG_N9 | nix-cyrus, ok i have few ideas for small apps | 01:15 |
| nix-cyrus | ZogG_N9: I think we should make twit-hashtag to share nice apps for N9 | 01:16 |
| ZogG_N9 | nix-cyrus, we need to start learning, tomorrow ill have free time | 01:16 |
| ZogG_N9 | nix-cyrus, n9yummy? | 01:16 |
| nix-cyrus | ZogG_N9: it sound nice) | 01:17 |
| nix-cyrus | app-name: {small description} {url to app} #n9yummy | 01:17 |
| ZogG_N9 | my twit is closed anyway | 01:21 |
| nix-cyrus | hm.. yeah it's the problem. | 01:23 |
| nix-cyrus | I hope new repository with full N9-apps will make soon | 01:24 |
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| tomma | how easy it is to update in apps.formeego.org? | 01:26 |
| tomma | update app in | 01:27 |
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| tomma | aaa... it uses obs | 01:33 |
| mgedmin | ZoG_N9, which vim did you download? | 01:33 |
| mgedmin | I've working vim on my n9, works fine with the vkb | 01:33 |
| mgedmin | the builtin vi is a piece of ... busybox | 01:33 |
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| ZogG_N9 | mgedmin, link me | 01:40 |
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| mgedmin | ZogG_N9, http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/harmattan/user/binary-armel/vim_7.3.260-1_armel.deb | 01:41 |
| ZogG_N9 | mgedmin, maybe u can upload it to apps.formeego ? | 01:41 |
| mgedmin | are there easy to read step-by-step instructions? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N9: | 01:45 |
| ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, had few question, but only one left | 01:45 |
| nix-cyrus | mgedmin: thnx. I'll check it out tomorrow) | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | where to get a 600g angus filet steak at night 1h | 01:46 |
| ZogG_N9 | there is command for bots to pm you 20 last sentences if you timeouted | 01:46 |
| mgedmin | there's this OBS repository for community packages (that I don't know how to use either), and I think someone has already uploaded vim there | 01:46 |
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| mgedmin | this is why I was inquiring about the not-working vim you said you downloaded from somewhere | 01:47 |
| ZogG_N9 | mgedmin, nope, they are on rzr repo maybe and would be ported later | 01:47 |
| jpnurmi | using the meego qml components, is it possible to force the software input panel to stay open even if i click outside a TextField element? | 01:47 |
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| ZogG_N9 | for now it has 4 apps only | 01:48 |
| mgedmin | rzr repo is what I had in mind; I'd forgotten the name | 01:48 |
| ZogG_N9 | damn with music control on lockscreen there is no time | 01:51 |
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| z720 | anybody hv PR1.1 kernel source 2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701? | 05:28 |
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| Tronic | Anyone up for another politics discussion? | 08:20 |
| Tronic | In Finland we have a rather ... interesting form of social security where the state will inspect your economy and then pay you what they think is required for living. | 08:21 |
| Tronic | By inspecting your economy I mean that they will inspect everything transaction on your bank accounts. If your mom wire transfers you 25 €, you will get 25 € less from the state. | 08:25 |
| Tronic | -thing | 08:25 |
| Tronic | Strangely enough, people don't consider this a privacy issue. What I am wondering is whether such systems are the norm elsewhere as well. | 08:25 |
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| Tronic | Just to be clear, the tax office already collects and shares to social security information about the annual income of a person but apparently such level of detail is not considered sufficient (e.g. that wire transfer from your mom would not show up). | 08:41 |
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| dm8tbr | Tronic: please consider #politics or some other place, ktx. | 09:22 |
| Tronic | dm8tbr: Nah, not that interested. We just had a good discussion here some other night. | 09:22 |
| dm8tbr | please, don't. even if there is no other activity on the channel, going completely off-topic is not appreciated. | 09:23 |
| Tronic | Ok. | 09:25 |
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| keitsi | has anyone compiled BFS for harmattan? does it do any good? | 09:47 |
| keitsi | or maybe it already has and I don't know :) | 09:47 |
| ieatlint | bfs? | 09:48 |
| keitsi | brain fuck scheduler | 09:49 |
| keitsi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Fuck_Scheduler | 09:49 |
| ieatlint | interesting... am unfamiliar with that | 09:50 |
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| keitsi | the default CFS one sucks in some situations... too complicated and process switching takes much time. | 09:51 |
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| keitsi | it's weird that it's not in the kernel only because of political issues. | 09:53 |
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| ieatlint | i sadly don't have the time these days for niche things :( | 09:59 |
| keitsi | me neither, that's why I'm here instead of compiling it myself :D | 10:00 |
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| keitsi | the random little stalls when multitasking might be improved a bit with BFS. anyone want to try it? | 10:07 |
| dm8tbr | keitsi: this might make sense to try with Nemo on the N9(50) if at all | 10:08 |
| Arkenoi | Is there a tool for mass vcard import? | 10:19 |
| Arkenoi | from single file? | 10:20 |
| keitsi | dm8tbr, yeah, I have an N9 | 10:22 |
| dm8tbr | nemo discussion is in #nemomobile | 10:23 |
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| ZogG_N9 | trying swype, notbad thing | 12:00 |
| ZogG_N9 | though have to get used to it | 12:00 |
| ZogG_N9 | but it adds it a extra language and it sucks | 12:01 |
| ZogG_N9 | wanna see how it works in portrait mode, not bad I would say | 12:02 |
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| qronic | <ZogG_N9> you can edit swype languages list if you want | 12:19 |
| * leinir wonders why some people insist on making message directions look like quotes ;) | 12:20 | |
| hiemanshu | leinir: exactly :P | 12:21 |
| ZogG_N9 | it's not people | 12:26 |
| ZogG_N9 | it's client | 12:27 |
| keitsi | some people who write irc clients? | 12:27 |
| leinir | Which clients do that by default? | 12:27 |
| ZogG_N9 | and they wonder why people use quotes like mentions | 12:28 |
| ZogG_N9 | qronic, what client u have? | 12:28 |
| qronic | xchat | 12:28 |
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| keitsi | I have xchat too, it didn't have that by default. maybe I have a different xchat variant. | 12:30 |
| leinir | haven't encountered any xchat versions with that as the default, yeah | 12:31 |
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| kkito | hello | 12:37 |
| nid0 | random question, is there any way to add a contact to the apps list on the n9 as it can do with urls? | 12:39 |
| kkito | I've just bought a n9 from singapore, but is not brand free :(, it is singtel branded. Do you know if singtel branded n9 are sim free? | 12:39 |
| leinir | can they be locked at all? | 12:40 |
| leinir | nid0: that'd be kind of useful, yeah :) | 12:41 |
| nid0 | it just occurred to me last night that it seems really quite long-winded to actually call someone, rather than 2 presses a-la n900 with a contact on the desktop.. | 12:42 |
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| qronic | you can make several favorite contacts, they'll be on top of contact list, easy to reach | 12:48 |
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| gri | cool, after updating the n9 to 1.1, my wifi does not work anymore :) | 12:52 |
| ZogG_N9 | qronic, no way, i have x-chat, how do u enter name? select +middle click? | 12:53 |
| qronic | yeah | 12:53 |
| ZogG_N9 | qronic, just start typing first letters of name and use tab to complete | 12:53 |
| qronic | didn't know it, thanks | 12:53 |
| ZogG_N9 | gri, try camera | 12:54 |
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| ZogG_N9 | gri does it work? read about kernel flashing problems | 12:54 |
| ZogG_N9 | jonni, ping | 12:54 |
| gri | ZogG_N9: after a reboot it worked | 12:55 |
| gri | but I wonder why the nokia software updater left all my accounts etc. - I was expecting it to wipe the whole phone | 12:56 |
| leinir | did you flash it or did you OTA update? | 12:57 |
| gri | flash with NSU | 12:57 |
| gri | ota was not available for me | 12:58 |
| leinir | hmm... i guess the word "updater" as opposed to "flasher" is the main hint ;) | 12:58 |
| gri | on symbian phones the same program delete the whole device and restored settings afterwards | 12:59 |
| gri | the n950 felt faster after the update, whereas the n9 seems to be slower now (but I might give it 20 minutes to restore all caches) | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | reboot also, after. | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | It seems to be in a wierd state. | 13:01 |
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| Sput | gri: the flasher for MeeGo has the option to erase your userdata (sometimes it's required), but by default it won't touch it | 13:05 |
| Sput | not sure if the update to PR 1.1 is fine without erasing it | 13:06 |
| Sput | I know the N950 didn't like going from beta1 to beta2 | 13:07 |
| gri | the phone just did reboot itself without a notice when enabling developer mode - is this normal? | 13:07 |
| dm8tbr | yes | 13:08 |
| dm8tbr | needed to enable some things | 13:08 |
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| KRF | Sput: uhm, did you get the update OTA already? | 13:13 |
| KRF | and hey ;) | 13:13 |
| Sput | KRF: no, I didn't | 13:13 |
| Sput | and I don't intend to wait :P | 13:13 |
| KRF | Sput: that means? going to flash it? | 13:14 |
| Sput | yep | 13:14 |
| Sput | hoping it isn't a bad decision | 13:14 |
| ZogG_N9 | sput, there is easier way | 13:15 |
| KRF | okay, go ahead. tell me when you've bricked your phone | 13:15 |
| Sput | ZogG_N9: how so? | 13:15 |
| ZogG_N9 | just update using pc suite | 13:15 |
| Sput | KRF: I hope people at $orkplace would be able to unbrick if the worst happens :> | 13:15 |
| KRF | Sput: heh | 13:15 |
| ZogG_N9 | that actually uses nokiasoftwareupdater | 13:16 |
| Sput | this "flashing station" should be able to fix everything | 13:16 |
| Sput | ZogG_N9: no windows. | 13:16 |
| KRF | ZogG_N9: oh, that works? regardless of region? | 13:16 |
| ZogG_N9 | yeah | 13:16 |
| KRF | nice | 13:16 |
| * KRF boots teh windows | 13:16 | |
| KRF | :p | 13:16 |
| ZogG_N9 | i updated like that | 13:16 |
| Sput | also, does the N9 actually work with PC Suite? because Ovi Suite refuses to use it | 13:16 |
| Sput | even though it works fine for the N950 | 13:16 |
| ZogG_N9 | it said update fail on prigram after reboot but it did full update | 13:17 |
| ZogG_N9 | works perfect with new pr1.1 | 13:17 |
| Sput | PC Suite is the "old" tool? | 13:17 |
| ZogG_N9 | it works and u even see sms | 13:17 |
| ZogG_N9 | but u cant sync =) | 13:17 |
| Sput | it's really weird, I have an old installation of Ovi Suite that works fine for the N950 but tells me it doesn't support the N9 | 13:18 |
| Sput | a new installation on another computer also won't accept the N950 | 13:18 |
| Sput | so I guess it's some flag that was set in newer installations | 13:18 |
| ZogG_N9 | btw ovi works too, u need to sync with old ovi that worked and than to update ovi | 13:18 |
| Sput | yeah | 13:18 |
| Sput | I really wonder why they disabled that | 13:18 |
| Sput | must be polticial reasons | 13:18 |
| ZogG_N9 | btw while connecting phone it asked to sync music with ovi and opened it fir a second and i saw music but it closed itself in few seconds =) | 13:19 |
| ZogG_N9 | anyone tried nokialink? | 13:20 |
| ZogG_N9 | its for data only =( | 13:20 |
| ZogG_N9 | but its oficially for n9 | 13:20 |
| ZogG_N9 | dont get why to use several tools and why no port for linux if they use qt | 13:21 |
| KRF | yes, that's a pity | 13:23 |
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| KRF | ZogG_N9: nokia pc suite tells me i should use "ovi suite" | 13:27 |
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| ZogG | KRF used it yesterday | 13:53 |
| ZogG | installed ovi and than it didn't work | 13:53 |
| ZogG | installed pc suite | 13:53 |
| KRF | ZogG_N9: anyway, using the NSU now. dl'ing right now | 13:53 |
| ZogG | KRF, you can straight dowenload nokia software updater btw | 13:53 |
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| ZogG | Venemo_webchat hey webchater =) | 13:54 |
| Venemo_webchat | hey ZogG | 13:54 |
| Venemo_webchat | I don't have a sensible IRC client on my netbook, thus the webchat | 13:54 |
| jabis | wassup | 13:54 |
| ZogG | Venemo_webchat, what netbook? what os? | 13:54 |
| Venemo_webchat | Ideapad S10-3t + Meego 1.2 | 13:55 |
| ZogG | btw where we send bugs about harmattan? meego site? | 13:55 |
| ZogG | Venemo_webchat install irc-chatter | 13:55 |
| Venemo_webchat | ZogG: irc chatter wouldn't work here. no qt-components | 13:56 |
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| ZogG | Venemo_webchat install them | 13:56 |
| ZogG | Venemo_webchat, btw can you build latest one for me please? | 13:56 |
| ZogG | Venemo_webchat, and would you mind to try to upload it to apps.formeego till new one is out? | 13:57 |
| Venemo_webchat | ZogG: no scratchbox on this machine, but I'll try building the new one for you | 13:57 |
| ZogG | Venemo_webchat, and one more question, new one, are you working with communi developer? coz i saw there is another irc client for n9 | 13:57 |
| Venemo_webchat | yes. | 13:58 |
| Venemo_webchat | hiemanshu and myself decided to join efforts with that guy | 13:58 |
| ZogG | good, but i liked your UI | 13:58 |
| Sput | hmm, I assume it is to be expected after a firmware upgrade that tracker-store consumes all of the CPU? is that going to fix itself if one waits long enough? | 13:58 |
| ZogG | though as i said about landscape mode, better to leave channels list on top | 13:58 |
| ZogG | Venemo_webchat, as well as if you can add NickServ and ChanServ to send PMs to main server window and not open new tab | 13:59 |
| Venemo_webchat | ZogG: if I put channel list on top for landscape, the number of visible messages is too low | 14:00 |
| ZogG | Venemo_webchat but its useless on side =( | 14:01 |
| ZogG | Venemo_webchat, i have an idea =) | 14:01 |
| ZogG | Venemo_webchat, on landscape put main menu on side and channels on top | 14:01 |
| ZogG | actually it means just changing vkb and chat itself to landscape and all other to leave in a place | 14:02 |
| Venemo_webchat | ZogG: what main menu? | 14:03 |
| ZogG | Venemo_webchat the one on bottom | 14:04 |
| Venemo_webchat | that is not a menu | 14:04 |
| Venemo_webchat | it's a toolbar and it can't be put elsewhere | 14:04 |
| ZogG | why not? | 14:04 |
| ZogG | meego api | 14:04 |
| ZogG | ? | 14:04 |
| Venemo_webchat | that's how it works | 14:06 |
| ZogG | =\ | 14:09 |
| Sput | oh yeah, tracker is done tracking, now the phone feels fast again \o/ | 14:10 |
| Sput | I was getting worried there. | 14:10 |
| Venemo_webchat | :D | 14:10 |
| leinir | Sput: would be useful to get information that that's going on somewhere... android gives you that info in the drawer, for example :) | 14:11 |
| hiemanshu | bleh android | 14:12 |
| Sput | leinir: it's called "log in with ssh and check top" | 14:14 |
| Sput | could've even done that with the terminal, I think | 14:14 |
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| leinir | Sput: i meant "get information" in the meaning "be given information", not in the meaning "having to go dig into parts of the system only the geekiest of the geeky will know about" ;) | 14:15 |
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| Sput | hehe | 14:17 |
| Sput | true that | 14:17 |
| leinir | It can be done very quietly, a notification on the events view, for example, which when activated takes you to a more informative dialogue, or disappears when it's completed | 14:19 |
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| rzr | Venemo_webchat: hi u own a s10-3t too ? | 14:34 |
| rzr | i am looking for s103t owners who have win7 on it too | 14:35 |
| Chaz6 | rzr: yeah i dual boot win7 and meego | 14:36 |
| rzr | I wanted to restore win7 to compare acpi support but i lost it | 14:38 |
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| Venemo_webchat | rzr: I erased Win7 from it the day I bought it | 14:43 |
| Venemo_webchat | rzr: it was so sluggish and slow that I just couldn't stand it. | 14:45 |
| mzanetti | has anyone some experience with zeroconf and Harmattan? I'd like to detect a zeroconf server in an app but none of the common known ways seem to be available oh Harmattan | 14:50 |
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| ZogG | rzr hey | 14:50 |
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| ZogG | Venemo_webchat i left win7 for school on my new laptop | 14:51 |
| ZogG | Venemo_webchat btw what is the weight? | 14:51 |
| ZogG | rzr, pingy pingy | 14:54 |
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| ZogG_N9 | i added repo with list in repos dir but aptget update doesnt care =( | 15:15 |
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| BluesLee | any way to simulate ctrl+a? i want to cut/paste bookmarks in fennec ... | 15:25 |
| ZogG | BluesLee noirmal paste doesn't work? | 15:31 |
| BluesLee | i want to select all bookmarks from one folder and move them one folder up | 15:32 |
| ZogG | maybe you can do it with terminal | 15:33 |
| BluesLee | ZogG: how to do that? | 15:33 |
| ZogG | i bet it somewhere in ~user/.configs or ~user/.fennec or mozilla | 15:33 |
| ZogG | btw when someone is calling it shows number only till i swipe and than it shows name =( | 15:34 |
| ZogG | BluesLee, let me boost my filebox =) | 15:34 |
| dm8tbr | ZogG: enabled data privacy for lockscreen? | 15:35 |
| BluesLee | ZogG: ZogGi dont think so otherwise mozilla would have implemented a simple html import option to fennec | 15:35 |
| ZogG | dm8tbr oh, didn't know about that | 15:35 |
| dm8tbr | BluesLee: i'd guess fennec uses sqlite | 15:36 |
| dm8tbr | BluesLee: the preferred option is to use 'sync' on both desktop and phone browsers | 15:37 |
| BluesLee | dm8tbr: any way to import bookmarks to the default browser? | 15:37 |
| ZogG | BluesLee have no idea | 15:37 |
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| BluesLee | dm8tbr: i idid that ... but all bookmarks are now in a folder called "desktop bookmarks" | 15:38 |
| dm8tbr | groB? it doesn't have bookmarks as such | 15:38 |
| dm8tbr | BluesLee: go to #mobile on irc.mozilla.org | 15:39 |
| BluesLee | dm8tbr: and there are two add. folders, two clicks too much | 15:39 |
| dm8tbr | BluesLee: might be configurable, dunno. ask the fennec ppl | 15:39 |
| ZogG | BluesLee cat /home/YOUR_USERNAME/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/bookmarks.html | 15:40 |
| BluesLee | ZogG: thanks for searching, will check it | 15:40 |
| dm8tbr | firefox doesn't use bookmarks.html since 3.x | 15:40 |
| dm8tbr | it's places.sqlite | 15:40 |
| ZogG | hhh i bet i have it from first install than | 15:41 |
| * npm have long wished for a 3rd party bookmark editor for firefox because firefox's bookmarks are so crappy to edit | 15:41 | |
| npm | s/have/has | 15:41 |
| ZogG | npm post bug to fennec/firefox bugtracker | 15:42 |
| dm8tbr | npm: sqlite explorer gives you raw access :) | 15:42 |
| npm | it's been crappy for years, not sure why anything would change. | 15:42 |
| npm | hmmm. sqlite explorer sounds like a good idea | 15:42 |
| dm8tbr | for everything else go to amo | 15:42 |
| dm8tbr | addons.mozilla.org | 15:42 |
| npm | it's true i haven't tried addons for bookmark editing | 15:43 |
| BluesLee | are there addons for that? | 15:44 |
| ZogG | dm8tbr it's a bug with hide private info | 15:46 |
| ZogG | dm8tbr, when i turn it onn i do see name of person but have no sms/from whom, when i turn it off i see sms but not calling person | 15:46 |
| ZogG | trigerring on off fixed that | 15:48 |
| BluesLee | dm8tbr: okay, i.e. i will uses fennecs bookmarks sqlite db, copy to desktop, use sqlite explorer to manipulate it, and put it back? | 15:50 |
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| ZogG | BluesLee backup on computer one, copy from phone, restart firefox, edit copy back to phone | 15:56 |
| ZogG | 4squick is better than official foursquare app =) | 15:57 |
| ZogG | but it;s not free =\ | 15:57 |
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| * dm8tbr was happy to pay that 1€ for 4squick pro | 16:17 | |
| MohammadAG | it's not? | 16:18 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, they have 2 versions now | 16:24 |
| ZogG | free is lite and you can't add friend with it even | 16:24 |
| ZogG | hmm turned google talk(it was set offline anyway) and than email notifications are working =) | 16:25 |
| ZogG | btw is there way to get notifications of facebook and twit mentions(not talking about feed) | 16:25 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, would you advice harmattan SDK or qt sdk? | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | depends what you're doing | 16:30 |
| ZogG | ? | 16:31 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, i would start with small apps without gui, than GUI apps, as well i want to port few apps | 16:31 |
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| cyrus_N9 | ZogG, hey whats up? | 16:55 |
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| npm | Re: ZogG --"hmm turned google talk(it was set offline anyway) and than email notifications are working =)" -- does this only apply to chat/email or also to video or audio chat? | 17:34 |
| npm | for example to use google+'s "group teleconferencing" features (which are very cool) it seems to require the googletalk browser plugin | 17:35 |
| npm | is there a harmattan alternative? | 17:35 |
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| ZogG_N9 | hmm | 19:29 |
| ZogG_N9 | silentce | 19:29 |
| mgedmin | on the which sdk question? | 19:29 |
| mgedmin | qt creator is great for new c++ apps that use qml | 19:29 |
| gabriel9 | hi | 19:29 |
| mgedmin | for everything else use scratchbox aka harmattan sdk | 19:30 |
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| ZogG_N9 | mgedmin, thanks, forgot about it | 19:31 |
| gabriel9 | scratchbox? | 19:31 |
| ZogG_N9 | the question | 19:32 |
| ZogG_N9 | =) | 19:32 |
| gabriel9 | what is scratchbox? :D | 19:32 |
| gabriel9 | there is so many thing i don't know | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | a chroot-like environment for maemo/harmattan development | 19:36 |
| gabriel9 | ok, first need to chrot is like sandbox | 19:38 |
| gabriel9 | i meant chrot is like sandbox | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | in a sense | 19:38 |
| gabriel9 | so i use this chrot on my N9 | 19:39 |
| gabriel9 | to run my home brew apps | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | not in the "protect the system from harmful apps" sense (because it's trivial to break out of a chroot), but in the "cheap virtualization" sense | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | no, you use scratchbox on your regular Linux PC to develop applications for the N9 | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | it's an alternative to the Qt Creator | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | more low-level, so it allows more, but is harder to use | 19:40 |
| gabriel9 | oh that make sense now | 19:40 |
| gabriel9 | i'm using win for now, my graphic card is exploding on linux... | 19:40 |
| gabriel9 | mgedmin: can you see harmattan qt quick elements in design window in qt creator? | 19:41 |
| gabriel9 | i'm not afraid of code, but declarative language like html needs to bre previewed | 19:42 |
| gabriel9 | qtml is like html and json mutatuon :D | 19:43 |
| ZogG_N9 | gabriel9, exploding on linux? | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | I don't think the qt designer supports that... | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | you can use the Qt Simulator for previewing | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | it works most of the time | 19:43 |
| gabriel9 | yea it starts overheating every time | 19:43 |
| ZogG_N9 | what card? | 19:44 |
| gabriel9 | Saphire 6950 | 19:44 |
| mgedmin | only two problems with Qt Simulator in 1.1.3 SDK: no landscape support, and default font size is misleading | 19:44 |
| mgedmin | for real preview use the one-click deploy to your N9 that Qt Creator provides (it's awesome) | 19:44 |
| gabriel9 | mgedmin i would not use simulator | 19:44 |
| gabriel9 | one-click deploy | 19:44 |
| gabriel9 | i can't see it | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | there ought to be a tutorial or a screencast somewhere... | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | first you associate your N9 with the Qt Creator (run SDK Connectivity Tool on the N9, go to Preferences in Qt Creator and add a device) | 19:46 |
| gabriel9 | i do that, i can deploy apps | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | then you change the project settings so that your Harmattan Run target deploys to your device | 19:47 |
| gabriel9 | when i press run | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | then the big green > arrow in the sidebar deploys and runs | 19:47 |
| gabriel9 | oh, i was thinking there is a button one-click deploy :D | 19:47 |
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| gabriel9 | I just drank some bad milk | 19:50 |
| gabriel9 | i hope i will be ok | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Another name for bad milk is yogurt. | 19:51 |
| gabriel9 | this was mutating into yogurt | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | I think you need a very specific bacterial culture to get yogurt | 19:52 |
| gabriel9 | yea i think so too | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | random fridge microorganisms might not qualify | 19:52 |
| gabriel9 | anyone been to Qt developer days? | 19:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Don't listen to mgedmin! He's one of the Soulless Minions of Orthodoxy! | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Yogurt deserves to be free! | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | why don't you just let your beloved yogurt rule the world then? | 19:56 |
| gabriel9 | it would rule better then our politisians | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | then at least your rulers will have culture | 19:57 |
| * mgedmin wonders if anyone else has read this: http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/10/02/when-the-yogurt-took-over-a-short-story/ | 19:57 | |
| gabriel9 | not me | 19:57 |
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| gabriel9 | mgedmin: great read | 20:09 |
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| gabriel9 | mgedmin: check this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1789083/ | 20:10 |
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| mgedmin | and :echo $HOME? | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | oops, wrong channel | 20:12 |
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| gabriel9 | in my Documents i see file without name | 21:05 |
| gabriel9 | 6,821 years old | 21:05 |
| gabriel9 | which i can't erease or open | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | i think the aliens are talking to you from the past | 21:09 |
| gabriel9 | maybe | 21:12 |
| dm8tbr | so that's where they sent that old prototype... | 21:13 |
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| ZogG_N9 | screenshot please | 21:19 |
| ZogG_N9 | have to see it | 21:19 |
| gabriel9 | how to make sreenshot? | 21:20 |
| ZogG_N9 | n9? | 21:20 |
| gabriel9 | y | 21:20 |
| ZogG_N9 | than get screenshotmee from ovi | 21:21 |
| ZogG_N9 | open it and than go to up and close light sensor | 21:21 |
| gabriel9 | i try to download nokia suite and it says file not found | 21:22 |
| gabriel9 | my wireless router is broken so i don't have web on the phone | 21:23 |
| gabriel9 | is it possible to connect N9 to web via nokia suite? | 21:24 |
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| gabriel9 | wtf, this device can't be used with nokia suite | 21:42 |
| ieatlint | uh, yes it can | 21:43 |
| gabriel9 | please can you explain how? | 21:44 |
| ieatlint | make sure you select "sync and connect" for the usb connection | 21:44 |
| ieatlint | mass storage device and sdk mode will not work | 21:44 |
| gabriel9 | i do it | 21:46 |
| gabriel9 | it is the same | 21:46 |
| gabriel9 | suite version is 3.2.100 | 21:46 |
| gabriel9 | which is yours | 21:46 |
| ieatlint | i don't use it, have it on a vm on another computer | 21:47 |
| gabriel9 | ZogG_N9 ping | 21:47 |
| gabriel9 | what to do now | 21:48 |
| ieatlint | you might want to try #n9 for help | 21:49 |
| ieatlint | it appears a quick google search does however show that i'm wrong - nokia/ovi suite doesn't support it as of october.. i'm confusing it with another nokia software package | 21:49 |
| gabriel9 | :( | 21:52 |
| gabriel9 | i think ZogG says that he is used Pc suite with n9 | 21:55 |
| toninikkanen | maybe you mean NokiaLink | 21:56 |
| gabriel9 | [20:25:24]<ZogG> a have a quick question, after update (used pc suite) i do restore and all i see the list of apps i restore maually one by one, anyway to do restore all? | 21:58 |
| gabriel9 | last night he postet this | 21:58 |
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| ajalkane | gabriel9: You need to use specific version of Nokia Suite, only one of the earlier versions worked with N9. | 22:01 |
| ajalkane | If you install that earlier version, sync with that, then you can upgrade to later versions and it continues to work. | 22:02 |
| ajalkane | This is what I've read in the forums, I haven't used it myself as I'm hardly in Windows. | 22:02 |
| gabriel9 | all day i google about it | 22:04 |
| gabriel9 | and nothing | 22:04 |
| ajalkane | gabriel: see maemo forums | 22:04 |
| gabriel9 | oh well maybe when updates come they will fix some issues | 22:04 |
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| ajalkane | gabriel9: Nokia Suite won't be working with N9. That's been said. So using the "hack" is your way forward if you want to use that. | 22:05 |
| gabriel9 | no i wont to do that | 22:05 |
| gabriel9 | i dont have time | 22:05 |
| gabriel9 | thanks anyway for help | 22:06 |
| ajalkane | gabriel9: sensible. As I always say, "fuck that Nokia Suite" | 22:06 |
| gabriel9 | fuck it | 22:06 |
| gabriel9 | when i buy new router i wiill not nead it | 22:06 |
| gabriel9 | just to erease this file 6000 years old | 22:06 |
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| ajalkane | you can't erase it from command-line? | 22:07 |
| gabriel9 | i can't see it in terminal | 22:07 |
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| gabriel9 | but i see it in documents app | 22:07 |
| ajalkane | but really you should send it to Nokia Museum first before annihilating the artifact. | 22:07 |
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| gabriel9 | where does this document app search for docs? | 22:08 |
| ajalkane | gabriel9: oh ok... so it's something in the tracker database | 22:08 |
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| gabriel9 | oh yes where is it? | 22:08 |
| Sazpaimon | is NDT 16GB BLACK the global black variant? | 22:08 |
| gabriel9 | 64 black | 22:08 |
| gabriel9 | sorry | 22:08 |
| Sazpaimon | and what is NDT 64GB ROW BLACK | 22:08 |
| Sazpaimon | what is ROW | 22:08 |
| gabriel9 | i was thinking that ajalkane ask me | 22:08 |
| ajalkane | gabriel9: I do not know enough about tracker, but you can try for example tracker-search cmdline application | 22:09 |
| gabriel9 | i'm just reading about it | 22:11 |
| gabriel9 | it is hard to find file withut name :D | 22:13 |
| ZogG | gabriel9 i got ovi suite it send me to nokia suite downloaded it worked like charm | 22:13 |
| ZogG | it used nokiasoftwareupdater - try to download it straight | 22:13 |
| gabriel9 | i have nokiasoftwareupdater | 22:15 |
| gabriel9 | it recognize n9 | 22:16 |
| gabriel9 | but i cant go on thw web with him | 22:16 |
| jabis | wot | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | gabriel9: Rest Of World? | 22:17 |
| gabriel9 | ? | 22:18 |
| gabriel9 | oh man i'm gone get crazy | 22:18 |
| gabriel9 | i miss my deadline, and now i can't solve simple problems with my phone | 22:18 |
| ieatlint | if your intent is to get the phone online, nokia/ovi suite wouldn't help you | 22:18 |
| ajalkane | Nokia Suite is, frankly speaking, totally crap in getting you on-line. | 22:19 |
| ieatlint | it should be possible to do it via sdk mode with the usb ethernet interface... | 22:20 |
| gabriel9 | lets try that :D | 22:20 |
| ieatlint | good luck then :) | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | On linu at least, it just works like any other modem | 22:20 |
| gabriel9 | to many OS and problems :D | 22:21 |
| ieatlint | yeah, and theoretically it'd work on windows with internet connection sharing | 22:21 |
| ieatlint | but you kinda need to understand how it works if you want to try it | 22:21 |
| gabriel9 | i will wait for new router | 22:22 |
| gabriel9 | ok, and how to delete file which does not exist :D | 22:22 |
| ieatlint | you sure it's not picking up a random file? | 22:23 |
| ieatlint | i've not used the document viewer much, and not had any issues with it | 22:23 |
| gabriel9 | after i installed all from developer mode tab this showed up | 22:24 |
| ieatlint | you installed every item in the developer mode tag? | 22:25 |
| gabriel9 | the file is withut name and size, when i try to erease it it just hangs, when i try to open it it say file does not exist | 22:25 |
| ieatlint | why? | 22:25 |
| gabriel9 | i wish to see what are they | 22:25 |
| ieatlint | yeah, gdb is a real blast | 22:26 |
| gabriel9 | if i reset device will it erease all stuff which i done | 22:26 |
| gabriel9 | i don't have any data... | 22:26 |
| ieatlint | it should, yes | 22:27 |
| gabriel9 | great | 22:27 |
| ieatlint | i still don't think an image has been released yet, sadly | 22:27 |
| ajalkane | I got kind of an impression no image will be released. | 22:28 |
| ajalkane | We'll be dependend on Navifirm for the images. | 22:28 |
| ajalkane | But reset device should erace the tracker database as far as I know | 22:29 |
| ajalkane | * erase | 22:29 |
| ajalkane | Someone tell me to not take another beer. | 22:29 |
| gabriel9 | take the bear | 22:29 |
| ajalkane | Too late. | 22:29 |
| ieatlint | i was under the impression the navifirm images weren't current | 22:29 |
| ieatlint | and as such, won't flash | 22:29 |
| gabriel9 | i need a bear | 22:29 |
| ajalkane | ieatlint: Ok... maybe. I have no idea. Still waiting for my N9. | 22:30 |
| ieatlint | there are plenty of bears here | 22:30 |
| ieatlint | just go hit up a bear bar | 22:30 |
| gabriel9 | one bear and one vodka please | 22:30 |
| ieatlint | ajalkane: the waiting game sucks.. beer helps | 22:30 |
| ieatlint | vodka and beer? ... no, whiskey and beer go much better | 22:31 |
| gabriel9 | didn't try that | 22:31 |
| gabriel9 | you should try rakija and bear | 22:31 |
| ajalkane | yeah I just opened a beer. I'm weak like that. | 22:31 |
| ieatlint | i'm not really into bears... | 22:32 |
| ajalkane | Drinking bears sucks royally. But I like eating them. | 22:32 |
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| ieatlint | see, this is far more entertaining to me, because this is what i've been talking about with bear bars and all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_(gay_culture) | 22:33 |
| ajalkane | ieatlint: Lol... live and learn. I'm obviously not enough up-to-date with the happenings in the gay community. | 22:34 |
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| ajalkane | And for the record, I no longer wish to even eat bear. | 22:34 |
| ieatlint | haha | 22:35 |
| gabriel9 | clear device or restore settings? | 22:35 |
| ajalkane | gabriel9: I haven't tried either one of them ever. But I have the impression "restore settings" is less radical, so maybe try that first, and if it didn't help then clear device. | 22:36 |
| gabriel9 | ok | 22:37 |
| gabriel9 | what is this link with some naked big dudes and bear? | 22:37 |
| ajalkane | Just read it, lest you want to make a fool out of yourself like I did above. | 22:38 |
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| gabriel9 | big gay people | 22:42 |
| gabriel9 | i lived with my gay roommate on collague and still i don't understand that parades | 22:42 |
| ajalkane | I'm feeling like cracking a Beavis & Butthead joke on the word "gay", in honor of the new episodes. But I resist. | 22:43 |
| gabriel9 | i did not see that one | 22:43 |
| ajalkane | Me neither. I'll probably buy the DVD when/if it's out. | 22:43 |
| gabriel9 | I heard that south park have exelent episode about gay | 22:44 |
| gabriel9 | people | 22:44 |
| ajalkane | Yeah. They have excellent episodes about all kinds of people. That's good about south park, they don't have issue about making fun of anyone. | 22:44 |
| gabriel9 | and sorry for my bad eng, i don't have much practice to write it except coding | 22:44 |
| gabriel9 | south park is great | 22:45 |
| ajalkane | Most of us are coders, so coder english is perfectly understandable here :) | 22:45 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 22:45 |
| gabriel9 | what do you think will N9 create "ecosystem"? | 22:46 |
| gabriel9 | the phone is doing great in number of sales, even my colegues which are iPhone Droid users are impressed with n9 | 22:47 |
| ajalkane | It's not about N9 creating an "ecosystem". That's a bullshit word in my opinion. It's about if MS Phones sell enough to continue this stragery or not. | 22:47 |
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| gabriel9 | damn true about that boolshit word | 22:47 |
| gabriel9 | if the product is good, and people are buying it the developers will start coding | 22:48 |
| ajalkane | exactly. | 22:48 |
| ajalkane | But what the Elop has sold to Nokia is that ecosystem is more than that. And in a sense it is. | 22:48 |
| gabriel9 | i'm sory but i don't understand that :/ | 22:49 |
| ajalkane | It's about not only phone, but like gaming, cloud etc. And Elop has sold it to Nokia that they can't keep up with all of that, they need MS or someone to get the vertical integration | 22:49 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 22:50 |
| gabriel9 | i agree | 22:50 |
| ajalkane | For example MS brings Xbox live (to phones also), Cloud storage, enterprise connection etc. | 22:50 |
| gabriel9 | and it also bring monopoly lies and FUD | 22:51 |
| ajalkane | But while I can understand the basic reasons, I think it's all just smokescreen. It's really early days still, the vertical integration is still years away before it settles. | 22:51 |
| mgedmin | because no self-respecting consumer would buy something that didn't have vendor lock-in </sarcasm> | 22:51 |
| ajalkane | Ah yes, exactly. It's basically the lock-in mentality. | 22:51 |
| ajalkane | But it was sold to Nokia with a smokescreen. Using their desperation in dwindling Symbian sales and their own failed attempts at various "ecosystem" services. | 22:52 |
| ajalkane | IMO it's all bullshit. But I can't see a reversal in course, unless Nokia's WP phones sell really badly and N9 sells really well. | 22:53 |
| ajalkane | If either one of those conditions doesn't happen, they will continue in this course. | 22:54 |
| gabriel9 | if nokia n9 have same market like windows they would sold more | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Or unless a crazed lone gunman... | 22:54 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 22:54 |
| ajalkane | :) Wouldn't wish that to Elop. I like the chubby! | 22:54 |
| gabriel9 | and it is all bullshit like you said | 22:54 |
| gabriel9 | i would like to torture him | 22:55 |
| gabriel9 | just a little a bit | 22:55 |
| ajalkane | gabriel9: yeah I agree N9 would have done much better than WP phones given same chances. | 22:55 |
| ajalkane | And anyway, even with unequal chances, I won't rule it out N9 will do better than Nokia's WP phones. | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It wasnt' Elop. | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Elop diddn't just randomly turn up at nokia. | 22:56 |
| ajalkane | I agree it was board of directors | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | And bedazzle them. | 22:56 |
| ieatlint | also, the team that made the n9 is already moved within the company or left it... even if nokia wanted to continue with more harmattan phones, it would be difficult | 22:57 |
| gabriel9 | ok, now we can only build killer apps and do some marketing to help n9 | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | The rot started shortly after n900 launch, when the ovi store wasn't working, only worked for a short time, then people got discoraged from using it, then it stoped working. | 22:57 |
| ajalkane | We can only enjoy what we have, and hope for the best. I'm sure I'll be happy with this plafrom for at least a couple of years. Who knows what the mobile landscape looks like after that. | 22:58 |
| gabriel9 | yes you are right | 22:58 |
| gabriel9 | but we can still code :) | 22:58 |
| gabriel9 | and maybe they create some more n9 | 22:59 |
| ajalkane | yeah, code we can. Code we must :). | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I plan on winning the lottery, and launching my own open handset. | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It shall run slackware! | 22:59 |
| ajalkane | I gave up on lottery. Fuckers raised to costs. | 22:59 |
| ieatlint | slackware.. bah | 22:59 |
| ieatlint | make a handset that runs BeOS | 23:00 |
| ajalkane | Ubuntu's mobile plans seem ridiculous | 23:00 |
| ajalkane | Ah, BeOS. Now that would be kickass. | 23:00 |
| ajalkane | Except BeOS's UI framework kind of sucked with its' lack of proper UI layouts. But the OS otherwise was great. | 23:02 |
| ieatlint | how about hurd then, with x/motif for the gui | 23:05 |
| ieatlint | it'll be awesome | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | OpenSolaris anyone? | 23:06 |
| ajalkane | Now Hurd would be great. Nevemore would RMS have to do the "GNU/Linux" thing. It would just be "Hurd". I bet he wouldn't mind that GNU was not prepended there everytime. | 23:07 |
| ajalkane | mgedmin: in this channel, we hate Oracle (ti's a rule), so Solaris can't get thumbs up at the moment. | 23:07 |
| mgedmin | of course it's a rule, I mean, who doesn't hate Oracle? | 23:08 |
| ajalkane | Dunno. It still baffles me there's so many people not hating MS. | 23:09 |
| ieatlint | MS isn't really evil these days | 23:15 |
| ieatlint | they switched places with apple | 23:15 |
| ajalkane | As long as Ballmer is there, they're evil to the bone | 23:15 |
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| ieatlint | and then bill gates gave billions to charity and is the modern day rockefeller | 23:15 |
| ajalkane | They're just hiding in the shadow of Apple-evil, waiting for their chance. | 23:15 |
| ieatlint | no, that's google | 23:15 |
| ieatlint | :) | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | What licence is hurd? | 23:16 |
| ieatlint | gpl i'm sure | 23:16 |
| ieatlint | it's gnu afterall | 23:16 |
| ajalkane | Bill's such a joker. He loves doing that kind of stuff, only to do some ridiculously villaneous move afterwards. Gotta admit I love that man. | 23:16 |
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| vandenoever | just reading from the QAudioInput gives 13% cpu pulseaudio activity | 23:23 |
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| ieatlint | ouch | 23:23 |
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| vandenoever | this is when sampling at 48000hz, at 8000hz it uses 25% | 23:25 |
| ieatlint | that makes less sense | 23:25 |
| vandenoever | yes, but it's true, at 11025 hz it's 275 | 23:26 |
| vandenoever | eh 27% | 23:26 |
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| vandenoever | i'm doing audio analysis, the double fft is actually using way less cpu than pulseaudio | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 23:27 |
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| vandenoever | where's a good place to report a bug for that? | 23:28 |
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| mgedmin | pulseaudio probably resamples its real input rate to your requested 8kHz | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | it's supposed to allow multiple apps simultaneous access to a sink/source, and it can't do that if it lets each app tweak sampling parameters randomly | 23:37 |
| mgedmin | this is just a guess, but it would explain why you get higher CPU usage | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I imagine it resamples inputs to all possible output samplerates, and then simply uses the desired one. | 23:38 |
| mgedmin | why would it do unnecessary work all the time? | 23:38 |
| gabriel9 | i get rid of 6000 years old file | 23:40 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: It's pulseaudio. | 23:41 |
| vandenoever | mgedmin: yes, for this reason i tried several settings, but all have at least 10% cpu for pulseaudio | 23:41 |
| vandenoever | i wonder if it uses that amount when doing a phone call | 23:41 |
| * vandenoever goes to try | 23:41 | |
| SpeedEvil | Also. | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't forget that cpu% can be highly misleading. | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | It does not properly take into account varying cock speed. | 23:42 |
| ZogG | right the cock speed | 23:42 |
| ZogG | just kiding =) | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | sigh | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | clock peed | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh | 23:43 |
| ZogG | lol | 23:43 |
| * SpeedEvil goes to vacuum his keyboard. | 23:43 | |
| vandenoever | yes, during phonecall pulseaudio uses about 38% cpu! | 23:43 |
| ZogG | clock speed <-- copy-paste that =) | 23:43 |
| bindi | the cock peed | 23:43 |
| bindi | am I doing this right | 23:44 |
| ieatlint | yes, it's supposed to be the part that pees | 23:44 |
| deram | lala | 23:44 |
| ZogG | now we go - compiling chromium | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart polypaudio | 23:44 |
| * infobot farts in polypaudio's general direction | 23:44 | |
| ZogG | don't like it either | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | quick UI intuition test: | 23:45 |
| ZogG | sometimes for a few seconds after DocScrutinizer says things i think he is human, but... meh we know he is abot | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | you touch the screen with two fingers, keep one in place, move the other one away from the first | 23:45 |
| ZogG | mgedmin, shoot | 23:45 |
| vandenoever | but this is truly amazing, such high % for just pumping some audio | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | the page zooms in -- should the spot under your stationary finger stay in place, or should it move? | 23:46 |
| deram | sorry. showed terminal use in bar... swype sucks in terminal | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | PA eating *huge* amounts of CPU cycles for basically nothing at mixer, all the time - a known notorious problem of PA since ever | 23:46 |
| ZogG | like in the song "pump it up" | 23:46 |
| ZogG | mgedmin depends for what | 23:47 |
| ZogG | don't like scrolling like that | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | but allegedly PA performs SO MUCH BETTER than alsa dmix | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHA | 23:47 |
| ZogG | true | 23:47 |
| ZogG | but instead of pulseaudion they should just fork alsa | 23:47 |
| ZogG | instead of putting something on something on something | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | this is not scrolling, this is zooming | 23:48 |
| vandenoever | maybe/probably with the right pulseaudio magic it could be fixed | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | say you've got a PDF file with a column of text | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | how should you resize it so that the column fits your screen best? | 23:48 |
| ZogG | mgedmin normal zoom like everywhere is fine | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I don't think zooming is working proportionally and directly | 23:49 |
| ZogG | anyway night | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | yeah, it's not physical manipulation, but a "gesture" | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I rather guess the initial distance of the 2 touchpoints of pinching is irrelevant | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, put like this it doesn't sound as weird as my stuff did | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just a gesture simulating what you usually do with your ^+/^- kbd shortcuts | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | or sth like that | 23:51 |
| mgedmin | I once read an insightful post about that | 23:51 |
| mgedmin | wish I could find it | 23:51 |
| mgedmin | main idea, which I will convey imperfectly, was that only some gestures work well in UI: those that mimic the natural world object manipulation | 23:52 |
| mgedmin | if you add too much latency, or invent weird things, the illusion breaks | 23:52 |
| mgedmin | (weird things like "four finger drag" etc.) | 23:53 |
| mgedmin | when I scroll very slowly on the N9 I get the impression that the page moves a tiny bit less than my finger | 23:53 |
| * mgedmin rambles on to disconnected topics | 23:54 | |
| mgedmin | I hate the rotation lag | 23:54 |
| mgedmin | when I showed my N9 to Android-using friends, they actually laughed at it | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 23:55 |
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