| MohammadAG | not being bitchy or anything | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | but as a oper on another server, ignore lists aren't the best way to moderate a channel | 00:00 |
| faenil | djszapi: I finally fixed my raypicking implementation issue! :D | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-11-09 22:38:48] <DocScrutinizer> I face the problem of irc chanops usually mustn't /ignore as otherwise they miss due /bans | 00:00 |
| faenil | but don't know if I have told you about that xD | 00:00 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, methinks that you're on his ignore list as well. | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't figure how that's depressing me | 00:01 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I don't see your problem, so far I only have a single /ignore | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | print_chanlog | grep -v <djszapi> ;# will make you see my problem | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | it makes no sense, it's sometimes funny bit most of the time friggin annoying | 00:03 |
| jabis_ | If I were that helpful at work - I'd have none :O | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I only notice other users feeling pissed about sth I luckily don't have to read - it makes me sad | 00:03 |
| Venemo | hehe | 00:03 |
| ajalkane | I'd never ignore djszapi. One third of the discussions, especially some months back, would have been totally gibberish if you didn't see his lines. | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | anyway | 00:04 |
| faenil | is there any qr reader out on the store? | 00:04 |
| ajalkane | He's masterful at evocing discussion. And he's very good with aegis stuff helping people. | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | anyone ever printed to a POS printer with Qt? | 00:04 |
| javispedro | (changes topic) seems that I was right and all #n950clubbers will be getting an offer they won't be able to refuse regarding some windows phone.. | 00:04 |
| jabis_ | actually what pisses me more than N9 camera issue that wasn't ther prior OTA update - I hate the fact that I've to write a dozen of libs for N9 to support our ERP-system | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, yay, does that mean another device for customs? | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: some of my printers been a real pile of shit ;-P | 00:05 |
| macmaN | javispedro: what are you referring to | 00:05 |
| djszapi | faenil: I have no idea what that is | 00:05 |
| javispedro | macmaN: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/11/08/nokia-lumia-phones-for-developers-targeting-windows-phone | 00:05 |
| faenil | djszapi: ok no problem :) I thought I told you about that at dev days ;) | 00:05 |
| djszapi | faenil: please stop blaming aegis without any prove, like this camera-ui where aegis has nothing to do with the root cause | 00:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer chokes at reading javispedro 's wincrap post | 00:05 | |
| djszapi | this is one thing I am getting tired of. | 00:05 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: hey, maybe it's the nearest thing to a N9 I'm going to see =) | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | nice | 00:06 |
| jabis_ | root cause is enforced by aegis, thus making it a complice in it x) | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | I'll have one, black please | 00:06 |
| djszapi | jabis_: like being technically incorrect ? | 00:06 |
| macmaN | mmmmkay | 00:07 |
| javispedro | I'll have the non-windows edition please | 00:07 |
| faenil | djszapi: I'm not blaming anything, I just told you there were talking about aegis in chat about that camera-ui issue, and sent you the link...you should thank me for letting you check that nothing is wrong, not the opposite... | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | macmaN, thakns | 00:07 |
| merlin1991 | I'd like a black n9 64 gb, exchange one for a windows phone? | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, for disassembling it I won't mind whats the OS it runs X-P | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | I needed someone to remind me of South Park | 00:07 |
| macmaN | MohammadAG: what did i do | 00:07 |
| faenil | everytime I try to be helpful with you, I get refused...but this is a private thing...let's stop it here | 00:07 |
| djszapi | faenil: I should thank for you for coming here for helping you ? :) | 00:07 |
| merlin1991 | macmaN: you granted hime a black lumia | 00:07 |
| djszapi | thanks.. | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | I'd like a black windows phone device | 00:07 |
| faenil | for helping me? I have no problem! | 00:08 |
| macmaN | oh i did huh. damn. | 00:08 |
| * macmaN runs and hides | 00:08 | |
| macmaN | __o.o__ | 00:08 |
| djszapi | faenil: you, as in you guys | 00:08 |
| macmaN | __m_o.o_m__ | 00:08 |
| jabis_ | djszapi, yes - I like that the only thing bitching and inhibiting the use of a proprietary ui _seems_ by logs to come out of the ah so precious aegis enforcement protocols _with_ nokia signed libs & drivers </offtopic> | 00:08 |
| jabis_ | *fed the troll - omg* | 00:09 |
| javispedro | it's not aegis | 00:09 |
| javispedro | as I said it also appears on mine | 00:09 |
| javispedro | and camera "works" | 00:09 |
| javispedro | (as it usually "works" in the n950) | 00:09 |
| faenil | djszapi: I told you about that to let YOU check that everything was alright...I got nothing from this thing, I did that for you...but still, don't worry. | 00:09 |
| faenil | javispedro: sure we all got that ;) | 00:10 |
| djszapi | faenil: for me ? :) | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> If you are currently a Nokia Developer Champion or a Nokia Launchpad member, you are already eligible ... << mmmmk | 00:10 |
| ajalkane | I'm not going to accept any windows phone if I'm expected to do any development on it | 00:11 |
| djszapi | I knew it right before this whole discussion :) I could just skip the coming and help :) | 00:11 |
| ajalkane | If they give it to me without strings attached, I'm willing to give it a spin. But using my free-time to develop for it? Highly unlikely. | 00:11 |
| * javispedro smells lots of interest in qualcomm msm 3d drivers for xorg "soon" | 00:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ajalkane: [2011-11-09 23:07:24] <DocScrutinizer> meh, for disassembling it I won't mind whats the OS it runs X-P | 00:14 |
| ajalkane | If eligible means I can ask for it, I'm not going to. They would have to push that stuff to me for me to consider taking one | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, Wayland FTW | 00:14 |
| * MohammadAG runs | 00:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke MohammadAG | 00:14 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at MohammadAG ... Bâ¢â¢M! | 00:14 | |
| javispedro | hah | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha my desktop is missing that UTF-8 page | 00:15 |
| ajalkane | DocScrutinizer: well yeah, if interested in hardware alone then it's a good deal :). As long as they don't expect to do anything FOR Windows Phone. | 00:15 |
| javispedro | this reminds me of someone who was saying "Worst part about desktop Linux? X11! It's a mess of toolkits, incompatible drag and drop specifications, ... I can't wait for Wayland" on LWN. | 00:15 |
| javispedro | He's going to be surprised to find what Wayland is... | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ajalkane: the NDA or other TLA I had to sign so far never had a mandatory developing clause | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | the same as X11 with controlled FPS? | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | What is wayland - basically a compatibility layer which can talk to X/fb/... ? | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, think X11, a replacement for it | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: MUHAHA ROTFL | 00:17 |
| ajalkane | DocScrutinizer: yeah... But at least the N950 community program was phrased in a way that they expect it to be used to develop stuff for the platform. I wouldn't take a Windows Phone under similar conditions. | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | clearly qualifies for quote of the month | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ajalkane: sure | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | not this one though, it seems | 00:18 |
| jabis | javispedro: the thing is - it _did not happen_ prior the OTA :) and only real clues point to them orcs (orcexec or whatever the 3 distinct temp-files were) that appear only after the gstreamer fails to patch thru to the signal, so whether the camera works (some of the times) or fails prolly is linked with the packages updated | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, they will have a hard time to find 25,000 developers to shove that thing down their throats anyway | 00:18 |
| ajalkane | Then it's good to take it and run with it. I'll keep an eye what the final offering is. I wouldn't mind playing with Windows Phone. | 00:18 |
| javispedro | jabis: it has happened here since day 1 | 00:18 |
| javispedro | jabis: not to mentino it is not an error | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | my new $70 headphones only work good on the iPod | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | for fuck's sake | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | and my laptop | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | or I plug it 3/4 the way in | 00:20 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: did you already buy your iSteveJobs poster? | 00:21 |
| ajalkane | If I want to spin it positively, if I take one of the devices, it will be one less for those who'd actually develop for it. MUAHAHAHA | 00:21 |
| jabis | javispedro: I had nothing in reference to those files, and only gives when the proprietary camera-ui is started - tho the signal is still lost with anything trying to patch to either of the cams | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, I found a Tom Cook one instead | 00:21 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Nook | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | no no no, Tom COOK | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | but that one's cuter | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ajalkane: I can take that device to evalute if it's worth considering an anti vendor port effort | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E. get SHR ported to Lumia | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | mer?? :-o | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | BTW | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | I must admit the iOS audio stack is awesome | 00:24 |
| ajalkane | Nemo on Lumia could be pretty nice | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | not sure about developing for it, but it's awesome for the user | 00:24 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: "for the user"? in what sense? | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | in the sense that everything is integrated | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think he's referring to airplay or what it's called | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | no | 00:26 |
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| MohammadAG | if you start a youtube video it dims the music player | 00:27 |
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| javispedro | Nokia has this too | 00:27 |
| javispedro | I mean, Fremantle and Harmattan. | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | if you get a notification, rather than what Maemo 5 does (play a beep, or if you're not using libplayback, mutes the song), or what Harmattan does, it lowers the player's music, plays the notification sound, and raises the volume | 00:28 |
| javispedro | It's just hidden behind some prolog closed source. | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | also, the "multitasking" bar has media controls | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | those always control the app playing, not just the music app | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | for example, if I'm playing a video in Safari, then the icon is Safari and the play/pause/next/prev buttons are for safari | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolog BLAERGHHH!! | 00:29 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, seems that Apple pays more to their UX designers than Nokia | 00:29 |
| faenil | MohammadAG: I add massive fps reduce while notification is shown :D | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | where? iOS? nope | 00:29 |
| faenil | nope, harmattan :) talked yesterday about that with javis :) | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | Frame drops happen on maemo when a notification comes in, not iOS though | 00:29 |
| faenil | agree | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMjMTJWjCp0 | 00:31 |
| Venemo | well, since da notification is not drawn by the app, of course the fps reduces | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | the controls on the bottom are stock, top ones are the modification's | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, not on iOS | 00:31 |
| javispedro | you mean, yes on iOS | 00:31 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, I understand. | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 00:31 |
| javispedro | the notification is "drawn" by the app on iOS | 00:31 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, that's what I meant | 00:31 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, if you saw the video, the music player icon is replaced by a pandora icon | 00:32 |
| javispedro | you can technically implement such an app if you wanted it | 00:33 |
| javispedro | we rant about pulse a lot, but this is one of the benefits of having a "omniscient" and overfeatured sound daemon | 00:34 |
| javispedro | (I still personally dislike the idea) | 00:34 |
| javispedro | you can e.g. monitor for when streams with a video or music or whatever media role are created and then show the play/pause UI | 00:35 |
| javispedro | and cork/uncork the stream as necessary depending on user action | 00:35 |
| javispedro | "good player apps" should pause themselves when their main stream is corked, gstreamer at least probably does it | 00:35 |
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| javispedro | also the volume thing is not only possible but it is a few line changes on the prolog policy file. you can try this on CE | 00:37 |
| javispedro | if the harmattan one was open... | 00:37 |
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| user_ | so what irc ckients we have for n9? | 00:38 |
| jpnurmi | anyone used TextField from meego qt quick components in pr 1.1? when selecting text, the text outside the selection just disappears.... :( | 00:38 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, basically, I like how it's implemented | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | also push notifications | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | they're the awesomest thing on iOS | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: my libALSAexecHook plugin does that too, without any friggin PA | 00:39 |
| zogg_n9 | MohammadAG: hey ;) | 00:40 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: nope | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | zogg_n9, where'd you get it | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | well not pause on cork | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | implicitly | 00:40 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: ALSA is not nearly as "omniscient", as you already know -- by the time you add the _userspace_ plugins necessary to keep track of this, you end up with another monster | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 00:40 |
| faenil | has anyone tried Mint LDME? based on Debian Testing | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | basically | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | you need to use iOS to understand what's good about it for the user | 00:41 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you are paying a lot of performance penalty on pulseaudio precisely because it's doing stupid stuff like copying buffers, always resampling, changing volume, etc. | 00:41 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: if you are to enable all of this on ALSA, god save us. | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe | 00:41 |
| javispedro | plus, pulse is _already_ doing it, I remember a demo of someone showing background windows getting their streams' volumes lowered | 00:42 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i wonder, has anyone tried to make a maemo 5 chroot environment for harmattan? | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | the main problem of PA though is it's an async design | 00:42 |
| zogg_n9 | MohammadAG: bought it | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, pulse can do it, but on Harmattan it doesn't | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | zogg_n9, I know, where | 00:42 |
| Sazpaimon_ | using that modified harmattan kernel with aegis restrictions lifted | 00:42 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: policy! | 00:42 |
| zogg_n9 | 3600 for 64 | 00:42 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: as I said, it's a few changes on the policy file | 00:42 |
| javispedro | (but I repeat myself: I dislike both features, I prefer the beep) | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | zogg_n9, what part of "Where" don't you get :p | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, boozetime | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 00:43 |
| javispedro | cya DocScrutinizer | 00:43 |
| zogg_n9 | MohammadAG: some israel guys have company in usa with someone representing them here, not that official but with warranty thru them | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | have to meditate about ST-E by looking into a beer | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | zogg_n9, someone I know wants one, where can he reach them? | 00:44 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: In general I say that you should actually _avoid_ looking at iOS for inspiration. Look where it has brought us | 00:44 |
| zogg_n9 | MohammadAG: i can give u their numbers or find them on kombinator | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, sorry, but iOS has some good stuff and some bad stuff | 00:44 |
| * javispedro is one of those who thinks maemo usability peaked with bora... | 00:44 | |
| faenil | javispedro: I still think that iPhone4S is the only device which has fixed 60fps everywhere | 00:44 |
| zogg_n9 | MohammadAG: got hour n950 back¿ | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | no | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | fixed 60fps? | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | is that a challenge? | 00:45 |
| faenil | yes, show me something like that | 00:45 |
| javispedro | my calculator also has a fixed 50Hz everywhere | 00:45 |
| javispedro | so what | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | give me a 4S | 00:45 |
| zogg_n9 | hour = your * | 00:45 |
| faenil | :D | 00:45 |
| faenil | eehehhe :D | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: teach infobot to answer ~IL-custums-suck with that URL of DHL-tracking | 00:46 |
| javispedro | it just _proves_ it is not hackable enough | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | and I'll show you how unfixed it is | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | costums* | 00:46 |
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| MohammadAG | ~Israel-sucks is http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A | 00:46 |
| infobot | okay, MohammadAG | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | ~Israel-sucks | 00:46 |
| infobot | methinks israel-sucks is http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A | 00:46 |
| faenil | MohammadAG: I have tried it for 20 mins... | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | thanks for the idea DocScrutinizer | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 00:46 |
| zogg_n9 | MohammadAG: i didnt get 3 last orders from ebay as well gonna go and fuck the bitches | 00:46 |
| faenil | trying to make it lag | 00:46 |
| faenil | I was there for that purpose, see it lose fps | 00:47 |
| faenil | and I couldn't make it | 00:47 |
| zogg_n9 | oops sorry for lang | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | no worries | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | #harmattan is PG-13 anyways | 00:47 |
| zogg_n9 | bnej zonot =) | 00:47 |
| faenil | MohammadAG: where does 4S lag? please convince me, and you'll make me happy :D | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | faenil, give me a 4S and I'll make it lag | 00:47 |
| zogg_n9 | MohammadAG: tried your music recognizer | 00:47 |
| faenil | tell me how :) | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | I can make any device lag, it's a gift I guess | 00:48 |
| faenil | have you tried 4S, first? Because 4 lags... | 00:48 |
| zogg_n9 | MohammadAG: bullshit me too | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | faenil, I said I can make any device lag | 00:48 |
| javispedro | if it doesn't ever lag, it means you as developer can't get 100% of CPU time. That's the shit. | 00:48 |
| zogg_n9 | faenil: half year use it lags | 00:48 |
| zogg_n9 | even less | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | oh right | 00:48 |
| zogg_n9 | start installing apps and use it heavy | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | the 4S has no jailbreak | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | nope, you're right, I can't make it lag | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | I can make it suffer | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | it probably can't handle three things at the same time | 00:49 |
| zogg_n9 | no jailbreak? | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | start angrybirds, make a call to the device, rape it with messages | 00:49 |
| javispedro | "HP delays WebOS decision" -- I knew it. | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | all 3 should make it lag | 00:49 |
| zogg_n9 | MohammadAG: it has no multitask anyway | 00:49 |
| faenil | MohammadAG: I'm talking about making it lag with official apps, and most common ones | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | iOS multitasks | 00:49 |
| faenil | and menus, submenus, browsers, and stuff | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | but not in the sense where it's actually proper | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | faenil, the N9 doesn't lag either there | 00:50 |
| zogg_n9 | MohammadAG: real one or like in 4? | 00:50 |
| faenil | oh it does indeed | 00:50 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: running angrybirds should have zero impact on performance, because it is killed when inactive | 00:50 |
| faenil | just receive an sms while scrolling | 00:50 |
| faenil | and you see | 00:50 |
| faenil | tac tac tac tac | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | faenil, ok, challenge accepted | 00:50 |
| faenil | 10fps | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | find a way to open a desktop site | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | open panet.co.il | 00:50 |
| faenil | open notification bar while scrolling, tac tac tac, 10fps | 00:50 |
| zogg_n9 | faenil: if it so bad give it to MohammadAG | 00:50 |
| jabis | try to swipe while syncing exchange x) tac tac tac @ 5fps | 00:51 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: my eyes!! | 00:51 |
| faenil | open contacts app, 10fps for the first 5-10 seconds | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | N9 has no notification bar | 00:51 |
| faenil | if not less | 00:51 |
| zogg_n9 | what is this site? | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, your CPU agrees | 00:51 |
| faenil | I mean the top one | 00:51 |
| jabis | tho a lot of improvement on that with 1.1 have to say | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | news site with one heck of a shtity coder | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | I use it as a stress test for my CPU | 00:51 |
| zogg_n9 | lol | 00:51 |
| faenil | noticed :) | 00:52 |
| zogg_n9 | MohammadAG: btw i need help with dbus and c if u played with it | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | C? | 00:52 |
| zogg_n9 | yes | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | You need help with Glib then | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | 1) #maemo, 2) javispedro, not me | 00:52 |
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| faenil | MohammadAG: if you know any device which has no reduced fps anywhere (under normal use, official apps, and stuff) please let me know ;) | 00:53 |
| zogg_n9 | i made some deamon that need to send data to rds thru n900 | 00:53 |
| javispedro | faenil: a dumbphone | 00:53 |
| faenil | javispedro: come on :P | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | so why DBus | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | and why C | 00:53 |
| faenil | javispedro: the fact that it is less hackable says nothing about its features...it's just a different pov | 00:53 |
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| MohammadAG | speaking of high framerates | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | e-ink displays are the shit | 00:54 |
| faenil | :) I've won Kindle at Qt Dev Days XD | 00:54 |
| faenil | it's slow, but you don't have kinetic scrolling there...so you don't really notice how slow it is | 00:54 |
| faenil | it's not bad | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, look how smooth the display is | 00:55 |
| faenil | I honestly don't care about its speed | 00:55 |
| faenil | you only change page with it | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | I know | 00:55 |
| faenil | do you care if it takes 1 seconds to turn pagE? | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | there's scrolling though | 00:55 |
| faenil | I don't :) | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | I saw someone next to me at uni who keeps using it in class | 00:55 |
| faenil | you're talking about the touch version maybe :) | 00:56 |
| faenil | I won the qwerty one, no touch | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | yes, not the fire though | 00:56 |
| javispedro | e-ink rules you idiots | 00:58 |
| faenil | ahahha :D | 00:59 |
| * javispedro hits MohammadAG | 00:59 | |
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| javispedro | does nokia plan to actually sell a single of those lumia things? if they're shipping one to all diehard Nokia fans that would buy a Nokia branded phone even if it came with CP/M preinstall, and the die-hard WP fans already got the Nokia "exclusive" stuff on their Samsungs... | 01:03 |
| javispedro | plus all of those giveaways | 01:04 |
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| TSCHAKeee | javispedro: it really does confuse me | 01:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee | javispedro: exactly what nokia is hoping it will gain by a microsoft alliance | 01:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | javispedro: so far, it really looks like all the advantages go to microsoft. | 01:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | in what is quite possibly the most one sided deal ever. | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Diehard nokia fans - aren't they only shipping to devs? | 01:07 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: "devs" as in anyone smart enough to fill the lp forms.. | 01:08 |
| SpeedEvil | You're not saying that people might fill in the forms fraudulently? | 01:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | That would be bad. | 01:08 |
| javispedro | But I guess it looks quite nice to say that they have "35,000" developers | 01:09 |
| Tronic | I needed to ask for assistance for filling those forms, yet they still sent me a N950. | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE | 01:10 |
| * javispedro notes the irony as I just got one of the touchpads for devs despite my webos contributions being on the "small side" | 01:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | 25.000 | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS | 01:10 |
| faenil | javispedro: where did you get the touchpad? | 01:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | i thought he was honestly going to start throwing barrels at that point | 01:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | ballmer kong | 01:11 |
| javispedro | faenil: hp offer for existing webos devs | 01:11 |
| javispedro | (at the liquidation price, though) | 01:11 |
| * SpeedEvil diddn't want a touchpad. | 01:11 | |
| SpeedEvil | That's why I spent ages clicking round webstores. | 01:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | my heart sank when HP tanked WebOS | 01:12 |
| Scifig | I installed telepathy-mission-control-5-dbg in scratchbox HARMATTAN_X86 target. But I am unable to run the binary. | 01:12 |
| Scifig | /usr/bin/meego-run: line 28: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/telepathy/mission-control-5: cannot execute binary file | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Was the recent announce that they might bring it back? | 01:12 |
| faenil | javispedro: wow, nice ...have to chance to get a second one? :D | 01:12 |
| javispedro | faenil: they're out of stock already | 01:13 |
| faenil | argh | 01:13 |
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| faenil | going to install Mint LMDE now :) | 01:19 |
| faenil | cya later guys :) | 01:19 |
| javispedro | cya faenil | 01:19 |
| faenil | finally switching harmattan dev on linux :) | 01:19 |
| javispedro | ... developers developers developers! | 01:20 |
| faenil | XD I'm waiting for that email :D | 01:20 |
| javispedro | (ballmer is calling you back) | 01:20 |
| faenil | anyway, be back later :D | 01:20 |
| faenil | oh I like WP7, so that won't be a big problem for the big guy :D | 01:20 |
| * faenil runs from javispedro, who was about to hit him xD | 01:21 | |
| * javispedro is too distracted, singing developers developers developers | 01:21 | |
| faenil | bbl | 01:22 |
| faenil | XD | 01:22 |
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| toninikkanen | my armpits are all sweaty from all that developers developers ranting | 02:02 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | i guess ill ask again | 02:13 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i wonder, has anyone tried to make a maemo 5 chroot environment for harmattan? | 02:13 |
| Sazpaimon_ | using that modified harmattan kernel with aegis restrictions lifted | 02:13 |
| Sazpaimon_ | also i cant seem to access my data network anymore | 02:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | could it be related to the sdk connectivity update | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a different ABI | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Floating point stuff will crash | 02:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | special, a chroot should work around that | 02:14 |
| Sazpaimon_ | because its loading a different libc | 02:15 |
| Sazpaimon_ | the maemo 5 libc | 02:15 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i guess ill give it a try | 02:16 |
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| rafael2k | people, how to click an arrow key on N9 terminal | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how's kernel related to chroot? | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah allowing to chroot you need open mode, yes | 02:36 |
| Sazpaimon_ | isnt that kernel posted in the forum basically what allows that | 02:37 |
| Sazpaimon_ | in the "Nokia and Aegis" thread | 02:37 |
| Sazpaimon_ | also does that "write once" thing when you flash remove aegis have any truth to it? | 02:38 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | like, if i flasg my kernel now, will I not be able to get PR1.1, or go back to stock kernel | 02:56 |
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| faenil | back :D | 03:06 |
| faenil | installed Mint LMDE and QtSdk 1.1.4 :D | 03:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | seriously though Id like to know before i flash this kernel if it will leave me with no way back to vanilla harmatan | 03:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | or even upgrade to pr1.1 | 03:07 |
| rafael2k | people, have anyone put in a repo the fremantle gtk compiled for harmattan? | 03:19 |
| Sazpaimon_ | theres a gtk package | 03:20 |
| Sazpaimon_ | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/MartinK:/gtk/ | 03:20 |
| rafael2k | thanks | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: aiui you can flash to clean HARM as long as you have a image file that's not older than most recent version of OS that ever got installed on device | 03:24 |
| Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, so the write-once claim is completely baseless | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | for mere flashing of kernel that might not apply though, as the version of "the image" (which seems to be actually a number of distinct files) is not directly locked to kernel version which seems hasn't changed from latest "image" to most recent OTA update 40-4 | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno what you mean by "write once claim" | 03:26 |
| Sazpaimon_ | nokia has stated that flashing to open mode or meego proper is a one way street | 03:27 |
| Sazpaimon_ | meaning you can't go back | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | also please note that I had disclaimer "as I understand it" in post above - you better ask somebody else to get an binding answer | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, where did Nokia say this? | 03:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also note that for all we know a flag "waranty void" gets permanently set when you flash a custom kernel | 03:29 |
| Sazpaimon_ | my warranty is void anyway | 03:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | or rather, i have no warranty *to* void | 03:30 |
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| rafael2k | great! | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the "one way claim" maybe was meant about there's no way back to secure mode from a rootfs messed with in open mode, which makes kinda sense in that you probably need to flash the rootfs as well, and in that moment you're definitely screwed when you updated to PR1.1 OTA and your image is PR1.0 -> "downgrade not allowed" | 03:35 |
| rafael2k | thanks people | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: lemme put it this way: prior to trying to flash an open mode kernel, you should probably try to reflash device to HARM proper. If that works prior to installing a cutome kernel, then it will most likely work to revert from that custom kernel as well later on | 03:37 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, I dont know if there's a full image for my device | 03:39 |
| Sazpaimon_ | or rather, my device version | 03:39 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I'm using the austrailian version, which I think is 299 | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's exactly the problem though | 03:39 |
| rafael2k | what is the apt line for the martink gtk people? | 03:41 |
| rafael2k | where | 03:41 |
| Sazpaimon_ | rafael2k, just make a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 03:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it should be "deb http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/MartinK:/gtk/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ./" | 03:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, let me check with navifirm before i do anything | 03:46 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | also why cant the device just be flashed with global firmware | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dunno if it can or can't | 03:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if it can't then because your certificates/tokens stored there somewhere in TPM or CAL or cmt don't match the firmware | 03:55 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | there appear to be two different firmware sets for my product code | 04:01 |
| Sazpaimon_ | one is 10.2011.34-1.299.1 and the other is 10.2011.34-1.299.4 | 04:02 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | okay 10.2011.34-1.299.4 is PR1.1 | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure about that? | 04:34 |
| faenil | I installed qtskd on a debian based distro, but it's nowhere in the applications categories... :O | 04:35 |
| Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, yeah | 04:36 |
| Sazpaimon_ | according to www.nokia.com.au/find-products/all-phones/nokia-n9 | 04:36 |
| Sazpaimon_ | or rather http://www.nokia.com.au/support/product-support/device-software-update?n9= | 04:37 |
| Sazpaimon_ | Latest software release for Nokia N9 is 20.2011.40-4 | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/Nokia_N950_PR11_Release_Notes_v39_5_en.txt | 04:39 |
| Sazpaimon_ | well either way, this is the version that I want | 04:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and 39.5 isnt even showing in navifirm | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Changes from Nokia N950 Beta 2 (34-2) to Nokia N950 PR1.1 (39-5) | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... | 04:41 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | like i said, 39-5 isnt even showing in navifirm | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but the current OTA SSU N9 verson is 40-4 (iirc) and *that* is attributed to be _very_ close to N950 39-5 and thus PR1.1, while 34* seems to me is PR1.0 on N9 and called beta1 on N950 | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N9.html?productType=RM-696&releaseID=6324395729&version=10.2011.34.1 | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that'S btw exactly the problem with current OTA SSU, there is no compatible fiasco image to unbrick, as you'll see "downgrade not allowed" when you try to flash with that image of yours on a N9 that has been updated to 40-4 | 04:46 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i dont get this, I havent seen an issue like this with symbian handsets | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | also see /topic, we had exactly same problem with 39-5 for quite some time, thus >> |NEW flasher to "unbrick": http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/ |<< | 04:48 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i also cant even apt-get update on my N9 | 04:48 |
| Sazpaimon_ | W: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/299/./Packages.gz The requested URL returned error: 404 | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get update has bricked n900s in the past. | 04:48 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: apt-get upgrade | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | doh | 04:48 |
| merlin1991 | but update never did | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm tired. | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:49 |
| merlin1991 | that would be really bad :P | 04:49 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yeah and if i run apt-get dist-upgrade it tries to update libarchive1 libcairo2 libgcrypt11 libgpg-error0 libpixman-1-0 libsdl1.2 libtiff4 libxml2 ope-service0 x11vnc and remove mp-harmattan-299-pr | 04:49 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and since it cant even access the downloads.maemo.nokia.com repository, i cant do anything | 04:50 |
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| * DocScrutinizer 'hmmm's on /topic | 04:51 | |
| Sazpaimon_ | also i cant use nokia link to backup my device | 05:05 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it keeps giving me an EDP_FAILED message | 05:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AHA :-S >>Nokia is not providing firmware image files to users, developers or resellers without repair capabilities.<< http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?229963-Nokia-N9-Chinese-flash-files. | 05:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's actually incredible and unrivalled how Nokia repels and alienates developers: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?229963-Nokia-N9-Chinese-flash-files.&s=aac64a90e196d63e41d87578369b7360&p=866740&viewfull=1#post866740 | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | how the F*CK am I supposed to have "repair capabilities" to flash N9 from chinese version to western version and back? | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess they mean nokia care centre. | 05:31 |
| Sazpaimon_ | okay, this image seemed to work fine, i flashed ant it started uo | 05:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | *up | 05:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so you hadn't updated to 40-4 yet | 06:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>MeeGo Harmattan platform-specific APIs focus for Wiki contributor of the month<< Nokia newletter :-D | 06:48 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | what package gets me harmattan's kernel config file | 07:29 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it's not kernel-d is it? | 07:29 |
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| djszapi | Sazpaimon_: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/k/kernel/ -> You can try to install them all | 07:41 |
| djszapi | and see .. There are no more kernel package imo .. | 07:41 |
| djszapi | packages* | 07:41 |
| djszapi | You do not probably even need to install, just unpack, I guess .. | 07:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yeah none of them have the kernel config | 07:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | also i flashed a custom kernel to my N9 and didn't get any warranty void message | 07:53 |
| * Sazpaimon_ shrugs | 07:53 | |
| djszapi | if none of them have the kernel config. It is probably not provided. | 07:54 |
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| djszapi | well, if the warranty void is on the papers coming along with the phone, I would actually just be really happy. | 07:55 |
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| djszapi | is not on the..* | 08:00 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | djszapi, it doesnt matter for me anyway, because i imported my phone | 08:04 |
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| djszapi | huh ? | 08:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i dont have a warranty because i imported my N9 from europe | 08:08 |
| Sazpaimon_ | or rather, australia | 08:08 |
| jonni | isnt the warranty global anyways? | 08:08 |
| Sazpaimon_ | nope | 08:08 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon_: I know, but it does not mean the phone does not have warranty | 08:09 |
| Sazpaimon_ | nokia's warranty is only valid per country, and across the entirety of europe | 08:09 |
| Sazpaimon_ | djszapi, it means i can't send it to nokia usa for repair, and i cant send it to nokia australia either | 08:09 |
| djszapi | you can just well invoke the guarantee where you ordered from imo | 08:09 |
| djszapi | I am not sure what you mean. If I were you, I would just order a from abroad, a.k.a. guarantee works just fine | 08:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | seller warranties are less reliable than manufacturer's warranties | 08:10 |
| djszapi | or tell a friend to send it to me. | 08:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | basically, nokia will not accept a device sourced from another country, nor will nokia send a device to another country for warranty | 08:10 |
| djszapi | they will never really know | 08:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yeah, you would basically need to have a friend in australia who you can trust accept the device, send it to nokia, get it back from them, and send it to you | 08:11 |
| djszapi | I had a business trip in Finland, bought a phone, back to my home country, when it is broken, hand it over them, donew | 08:11 |
| djszapi | done* | 08:11 |
| Sazpaimon_ | what country are you in | 08:11 |
| djszapi | well if you have no friends to trust, that is problematic anyways :) | 08:11 |
| Sazpaimon_ | warranties for devices purchased in europe are applicable through the entire EU | 08:12 |
| Sazpaimon_ | regardless of the country | 08:12 |
| djszapi | also, I am pretty sure there are people interested in contract for 50 EUR | 08:12 |
| djszapi | making this thingie | 08:12 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon_: does not matter where I really come from. It was an example for a typical case how some people got one during a business trip | 08:12 |
| djszapi | tbh, sounds reaaaaally scary without guarantee | 08:13 |
| djszapi | but there are rich people afterwards ;-) | 08:15 |
| djszapi | also, in this special case: it is perfectly the fine operation to now show the warranty void | 08:17 |
| djszapi | not* | 08:17 |
| qronic | who knows where at booting Harmattan checks which app icons should be displayed on the app screen? | 08:17 |
| djszapi | qronic: what would you like to achieve ? | 08:18 |
| qronic | I've edited /usr/share/applications/facebookqml.desktop to not be displayed, but after reboot it shows up again | 08:18 |
| qronic | I've removed X-MeeGo in line OnlyShowIn=X-MeeGo; | 08:18 |
| djszapi | qronic: well, delete it manually and check out the desktop file .. | 08:19 |
| djszapi | that is the first I would do. | 08:19 |
| qronic | em, delete what? | 08:19 |
| djszapi | not the boot analyzes | 08:19 |
| djszapi | well, it is a basic usage, you can delete icons manually out of the ui .. | 08:19 |
| qronic | facebook is a preinstalled app | 08:20 |
| djszapi | no need for serious boot analyzes for such a simple operation supported by the ui workflow ... | 08:20 |
| qronic | it can't be deleted | 08:20 |
| djszapi | yes, of course it can | 08:20 |
| djszapi | ahhh sorry I might be wrong | 08:20 |
| qronic | how then? no cross on the app when I enter delete mode :) | 08:20 |
| djszapi | well, that is the answer for your question | 08:21 |
| djszapi | next customer :) | 08:21 |
| qronic | yeah, it hides fine when I edit that file, but after reboot shows up again | 08:21 |
| qronic | funny, shoud I touch the .dekstop file after reboot - it hides again | 08:21 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so i extracted the maemo rootstrap to my N9 | 08:21 |
| qronic | I guess there's a inotify set on that directory with .desktop files | 08:22 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and made a simple c program that did printf on a floating point number, and it worked fine | 08:22 |
| ieatlint | congrats to all of you in the n950 club who will be getting windows phones from nokia | 08:22 |
| ieatlint | i'm sure you're all excited | 08:22 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: we will get ? | 08:22 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so i think the soft/hardfp thing is not an issue on a chroot as DocScrutinizer told me | 08:23 |
| ieatlint | "If you received a Nokia E7 back in February when we announced our new smartphone strategy, you’ll automatically receive a Windows Phone device. If you are currently a Nokia Developer Champion or a Nokia Launchpad member, you are already eligible, and you will soon receive an e-mail to explain how to get your new Nokia Windows Phone." | 08:23 |
| djszapi | that is E7, not N950 | 08:23 |
| Sazpaimon_ | same thing different OS | 08:23 |
| ieatlint | everyone who got the n950 had to become a launchpad member | 08:23 |
| dm8tbr | it's the 'lunchbag' membership | 08:23 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: I would love to get a WP | 08:24 |
| ieatlint | don't you work for nokia? | 08:24 |
| Sazpaimon_ | however, i can't seem to run apt-get update | 08:24 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: how is it related question ? | 08:24 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it stays stuck at 16% [Working] | 08:24 |
| ieatlint | i guess i just assume it's not too difficult for nokia employees to get access to the lumia phones | 08:25 |
| ieatlint | all the nokians i know are hardcore qt guys who just get very sad and depressed at the topic though | 08:25 |
| djszapi | it might be impossible actually for externals. We did not even get discount for N9s ... | 08:25 |
| ieatlint | ahhh, you're an external, that explains a lot | 08:26 |
| djszapi | nah ... many low-level hackers and hw developers obviously ... | 08:26 |
| ieatlint | i was also one :P | 08:26 |
| ieatlint | and yeah, it took a lot of begging in order to get an n9 for me to keep | 08:26 |
| djszapi | I got one for free in Munich, I was so happy | 08:26 |
| djszapi | but could you please help me with this WP application ? I would love it... | 08:26 |
| ieatlint | yep, quim pulled one from the stack in munich to give me | 08:26 |
| djszapi | so how can I check out this relevant launchpad member ship ? | 08:26 |
| djszapi | and whether the above statement concerns on me ? | 08:27 |
| ieatlint | do you have a launchpad membership? | 08:27 |
| djszapi | that is not really related to Nokia | 08:27 |
| qronic | https://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad.xhtml here probably | 08:27 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: I had this ubuntu launchpad thingy :) | 08:27 |
| ieatlint | yeah, not the same :P | 08:27 |
| djszapi | not sure how to verify ... | 08:27 |
| djszapi | I would love to port Gluon to WP. | 08:28 |
| ieatlint | i got what i quoted in an email from nokia | 08:28 |
| djszapi | so it is either spam here or I did not get one :( | 08:28 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: go here http://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/ | 08:28 |
| ieatlint | try to login as an individual with your nokia developer account credentials | 08:28 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: can you please send the title of the mail they sent out about the launchpad membership registration ? | 08:29 |
| djszapi | oh it is the same account ? | 08:29 |
| ieatlint | "Nokia Developer Newsletter: Lumia phones for Windows Phone developers" | 08:29 |
| ieatlint | yes, same account, but having a nokia developer account does not mean you are a launchpad member | 08:29 |
| ieatlint | but if you try to login, it will tell you that you don't have permissions | 08:29 |
| djszapi | who could get this launch membership thingie ? | 08:30 |
| ieatlint | if you can login, try selecting "support center", then "device distribution" (which is empty for me, but that's where it will be) | 08:30 |
| ieatlint | use hte link qronic posted to apply | 08:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | whoops, forgot to bindmount /dev/ | 08:30 |
| ieatlint | and don't wait for approval, ask a nokia manager to help you -- it's the only way you'll ever get approved | 08:30 |
| djszapi | 08:28 < ieatlint> djszapi: go here http://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/ -> after loading that page, I was already logged in | 08:31 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: there should be a | 08:31 |
| ieatlint | "Go to Nokia Developer Launchpad homepage (for member individuals only) ›" link | 08:31 |
| ieatlint | those who can login to launchpad, enjoy this bit of engrish "WINTER SALE NOW ONGOING. *Promo ends until supplies last. Please note we will not be adding new devices for Discounted Device Program service." | 08:32 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: http://paste.kde.org/144584/ | 08:32 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: yeah, so you need to apply to launchpad | 08:32 |
| djszapi | I /think/ I did it a few months ago actually | 08:33 |
| ieatlint | the link qronic posted has an application link | 08:33 |
| ieatlint | ok, then email a nokian and ask for help | 08:33 |
| ieatlint | they only approve applications when a nokian steps in | 08:33 |
| djszapi | will just go to the line manager in 20 m :p | 08:33 |
| djszapi | "There is an existing membership application already for this program. The applicant will be notified by e-mail once the membership application has been reviewed. " | 08:34 |
| ieatlint | yep, that's how i did it :) | 08:34 |
| djszapi | it was way many months ago ... | 08:34 |
| djszapi | should also ask quim gil :) | 08:35 |
| ieatlint | yeah, he might help you, but don't mention wp7 :P | 08:35 |
| ieatlint | he got me my n9 :) | 08:35 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: quim gave me an N9 in Munich. | 08:35 |
| djszapi | well, it is all about porting my app to Windows. | 08:35 |
| djszapi | I would not like to use it daily. I prefer Android. | 08:35 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i'm just saying wp7 isn't going to be a selling point for quim | 08:36 |
| djszapi | why ? | 08:36 |
| djszapi | it is not about wp7, but making the community happy. He is a community manager after all ;-) | 08:36 |
| ieatlint | he was a huge gnome/gtk guy, then moved to qt, and then was rather crushed by nokia | 08:36 |
| djszapi | and he also supports html5 a lot | 08:37 |
| ieatlint | he was hired as a meego evangelist, and ran a lot of qt and meego meetups where i live | 08:37 |
| djszapi | afaict | 08:37 |
| ieatlint | he's moving to the qt team at nokia still, in about a week | 08:37 |
| djszapi | without relocation, right ? | 08:37 |
| ieatlint | well, he goes from the 3rd floor to the 2nd floor | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | ieatlint: at least he has the opportunity compared to many others who are laid off | 08:37 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: meh :D | 08:38 |
| ieatlint | Stskeeps: not sure what you mean by that | 08:38 |
| ieatlint | yeah, a lot of people got screwed | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | ieatlint: well, as in, many others who didn't manage to find new positions internally | 08:38 |
| ieatlint | myself included... | 08:38 |
| djszapi | Ronan is probably also helpful in this case. | 08:38 |
| djszapi | to redirect to the proper supporter inside Nokia, if any. | 08:38 |
| djszapi | in worst case scenario | 08:38 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but that doesn't mean he's not a victim here | 08:38 |
| ieatlint | he got punched in the stomach instead of the balls... yeah, it's less bad, but it still sucks | 08:39 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: well, qt binding is coming for WP7 | 08:39 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: that's news to me | 08:39 |
| djszapi | so I would not understand to have against that as a Qt enthusiast | 08:39 |
| ieatlint | not heard even a whisper of that | 08:39 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: was mentioned at Munich | 08:39 |
| ieatlint | huh | 08:40 |
| ieatlint | i'll believe it when i see it | 08:40 |
| djszapi | not exactly sure which slot, but I am sure it was from a Nokia guy | 08:40 |
| djszapi | I saw it | 08:40 |
| djszapi | try to grab the slides. | 08:40 |
| djszapi | it was in the room A | 08:40 |
| djszapi | not sure which day, slot. | 08:40 |
| ieatlint | i didn't get to go to munich sadly | 08:40 |
| ieatlint | i'll be at the sf dev days though | 08:40 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: thanks for sharing this information! (WP) | 08:42 |
| ieatlint | yeah, good luck on that then | 08:43 |
| ieatlint | definitely ask a nokia manager for help with launchpad though | 08:43 |
| djszapi | indeed but I am now out-of-the-office at a conference, actually in the bed of the hotel :p | 08:43 |
| djszapi | will make my best tomorrow. | 08:43 |
| ieatlint | heh, yay hotels... am at one myself on-site at a customer :( | 08:44 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: so it is the phone which was disclosed recently, and sort of available ? | 08:44 |
| * ieatlint shrugs | 08:44 | |
| djszapi | and many people had good feedbacks ? | 08:44 |
| ieatlint | it doesn't say | 08:44 |
| ieatlint | although after that part i quoted, there is a picture of the lumia 800, but i dunno | 08:45 |
| ieatlint | could be the 710 | 08:45 |
| djszapi | well, windows is a defacto gaming platform. We should make a research to port Gluon to that. | 08:45 |
| djszapi | to see it is possible at all. | 08:45 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: you are not Nokian, are you | 08:47 |
| ieatlint | nope | 08:47 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: what is my line manager supposed to do ? | 08:50 |
| djszapi | how can he support me; what is the workflow ? | 08:50 |
| ieatlint | let me see if i can dig up the email of one of the launchpad guys | 08:50 |
| ieatlint | the nokians that helped me just called it the "forum nokia launchpad" team, and they emailed them to "expedite my application" | 08:53 |
| ieatlint | the only email address i ever see is forumnokialaunchpad@nokia.com though | 08:53 |
| djszapi | so your manager buddy just called them on the phone, that is, right ? | 08:53 |
| ieatlint | perhaps have them email that and ask them to expedite your application, and include you nokia dev username and your real name | 08:54 |
| ieatlint | nope, email only | 08:54 |
| djszapi | right.. | 08:54 |
| djszapi | meh... | 08:54 |
| djszapi | I think It is not a good idea to send a mail to my line manager | 08:54 |
| ieatlint | FN launchpad is out in finland i think, and i just deal with guys out here in california 90% of the time | 08:54 |
| djszapi | it is more than 10-20 lines with the exact details and steps | 08:54 |
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| djszapi | and managers have tons of mails daily ... | 08:54 |
| djszapi | it will work out only f2f | 08:54 |
| ieatlint | i bet anyone with a nokia.com email address will work | 08:55 |
| ieatlint | if you have an ext-@, it might be good enough yourself | 08:55 |
| djszapi | where can I try ? | 08:55 |
| djszapi | I do not think ext is enough ... | 08:55 |
| djszapi | ext is resource hiring in Nokia | 08:55 |
| djszapi | a.k.a. second citizen | 08:55 |
| ieatlint | well, after they gave out E7s to launchpad members, their applications skyrocketed, and you just needed to get noticed for them to accept it | 08:56 |
| djszapi | not really an individual person with decisions like that. You know it well I guess though :) | 08:56 |
| ieatlint | typically that meant a nokian poking them (they actually sent out an email to applicants in march telling them to poke nokians) | 08:56 |
| djszapi | what do I need to try ? | 08:56 |
| djszapi | or does my manager need to do ? | 08:56 |
| djszapi | just write a mail to the relevant team, or is there just some checkbox somewhere ? | 08:56 |
| ieatlint | don't have a clear answer for you, i'd try sending an email from your ext-@ address to forumnokialaunchpad@nokia.com and politely ask | 08:57 |
| ieatlint | might be enough | 08:57 |
| ieatlint | otherwise find anyone with a nokia email address who will help, can't hurt | 08:58 |
| ieatlint | not asking for anything restricted here | 08:58 |
| ieatlint | quim got people getting n950s approved.. if you know him well enough, he definitely knows who to ask | 08:58 |
| djszapi | I have just written a mail. Let us see their answer | 08:59 |
| djszapi | I asked them to answer a clear workflow, if it is not enough I approve my applicaiton | 08:59 |
| djszapi | application* | 09:00 |
| ieatlint | well, good luck then | 09:00 |
| djszapi | thanks for all of this. | 09:00 |
| ieatlint | np | 09:01 |
| ieatlint | so not a nokian... you work for a certain company starting with the letter D then? :P | 09:01 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: I work for Symbio | 09:13 |
| djszapi | see the presentation of my talks where I introduce myself. | 09:13 |
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| qais | any on have any information regarding vpn for Nokia N9 | 09:55 |
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| qais | Could u please help me find an application for video calling for Nokia N9 | 09:57 |
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| djszapi | qais: skype | 09:57 |
| djszapi | oh sorry, there is no webcam here ;-) | 09:58 |
| qais | Skype Does not support Video Calling | 09:58 |
| djszapi | it does ? | 09:58 |
| djszapi | had many interviews with cam. | 09:58 |
| djszapi | on desktop | 09:58 |
| djszapi | not sure the N9 camera can be reused for that | 09:58 |
| qais | great dude | 09:59 |
| djszapi | need some investigation :) | 09:59 |
| qais | oh | 09:59 |
| djszapi | but it could be a valid use case | 09:59 |
| qais | But N9 have a front camera but there is no video calling support | 10:00 |
| djszapi | that is bad | 10:00 |
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| qais | where can i find a developer, who can give some idea about video calling and VPN | 10:00 |
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| djszapi | for instance skype devs | 10:02 |
| hiemanshu | there is no Skype? I thought there was skype | 10:02 |
| djszapi | I mean huh ? | 10:03 |
| djszapi | nobody said there was no skype available :) | 10:03 |
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| qais | SKYPE IS THE THE VOICE CLARITY ON 3G AND WIFI IS GREAT, BUT DOES NOT HAVE VIDEO CALLING SUPPORT | 10:03 |
| qais | SKYPE IS THERE THE VOICE CLARITY ON 3G AND WIFI IS GREAT, BUT DOES NOT HAVE VIDEO CALLING SUPPORT | 10:04 |
| djszapi | qais: then again, please ask them for instance, why not ... | 10:05 |
| jeremy_laine | hi, does anyone know what region 009 is on n9? the n9 I got at Qt Dev Days seems to use this region | 10:05 |
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| qais | i HAVE CHECKED WITH SKYPE, THY SAY 3ED PARTY APPS WILL SUPPORT VIDEO CALLING | 10:06 |
| hiemanshu | whats the use of a front camera when you cant use it for skype | 10:07 |
| z720 | any idea where to PR1.1 for N9 directly? | 10:07 |
| qronic | nowhere yet | 10:07 |
| Wirta | qais, there seems to be a problem with your caps lock | 10:07 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: same question here | 10:08 |
| djszapi | z720: nowhere yet iirc | 10:08 |
| djszapi | z720: i.e. it is illegally public by some 3rd party software :) | 10:09 |
| z720 | djszapi: tq .. then have hack with N950 release for fun :0 | 10:09 |
| djszapi | have(fun); :) | 10:10 |
| z720 | btw any idea how to connect to co network via LEAP using n9? | 10:12 |
| qais | N9 have lot of hidden option | 10:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qais: WHAT'S UP DUDE? WHY THIS SHOUTING? | 10:14 |
| z720 | qais: ex? | 10:15 |
| qais | Just want to get VPN Activated | 10:15 |
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| djszapi | google video call might be available ... | 10:16 |
| djszapi | not this time yet though | 10:17 |
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| qais | dude i dont want to carry my laptop | 10:17 |
| djszapi | yes, of course | 10:17 |
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| z720 | #n9 | 10:28 |
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| deram | is there a way to limit vibration alert on text messages.. it is ridiculous that it buzzes in my hand still when I can already read the message | 10:37 |
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| dang_ | anyone else having the problem that ssh public keys dont work after the latest meego update in developer mode? | 10:52 |
| merlin1991 | dang_: root login is not permitted anymore | 10:53 |
| merlin1991 | /etc/ssh/sshd_config changed | 10:53 |
| dang_ | oh so the updates just overwrite config files. i didnt expect that | 10:54 |
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| Arkenoi | Is it even remotely possible that the way sowatch handles notification may lead to incorrect handling and tracker database courruption? | 10:56 |
| Arkenoi | then it's all obivious | 10:56 |
| Arkenoi | corrupted database -> failed tracker process -> failed google sync -> battery drain, corrupted address book and clusterf.ck | 10:56 |
| dang_ | merlin1991: any idea how i can change the configuration again? get permission denied editing it from develsh | 10:56 |
| deram | devel-su - | 10:58 |
| dang_ | what is the difference? | 10:58 |
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| deram | devel-su gets you to root user and develsh gets you more bits from aegis, if I recall correctly | 10:59 |
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| dang_ | deram: thank you! | 10:59 |
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| dang_ | hmm looks like i was too fast. was happy editing sshd_conf but it has no effect and init/ssh.conf is not writable. any way to reenable ssh root access? | 11:13 |
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| deram | why you even need that? | 11:18 |
| KRF | i can't fetch from some repository (W: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/009/./Release.gpg Resolving host timed out: downloads.maemo.nokia.com). is that normal? | 11:18 |
| deram | just ssh to user and use devel-sh to gain root | 11:18 |
| KRF | others from the same host work fine | 11:18 |
| dang_ | deram: i tried to copy my .ssh/authorized_keys to /home/user and change the ownerhsip of the file to user, but get a permission denied | 11:19 |
| merlin1991 | dang after editing sshd_conf you have to either sighup sshd or restart the device | 11:19 |
| deram | you need to copy it first to /tmp, give user read permission and then copy it to .ssh as user | 11:20 |
| deram | or just copypaste the contents of that file | 11:20 |
| dang_ | the latter is hard over the phone :D | 11:20 |
| merlin1991 | dang_: isn't authorized_keys worldreadable? | 11:20 |
| deram | .ssh is never world readable | 11:21 |
| merlin1991 | hm for some wicked reason it is on my n9 | 11:21 |
| dang_ | no, i know that | 11:21 |
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| deram | if configured properly, ssh and sshd stop using .ssh if it is world readable | 11:22 |
| dang_ | permission of authorized keys is 600 here, .ssh 700 | 11:22 |
| merlin1991 | deram afaik it only complains if private key is readable, or authorized_keys is writeable | 11:23 |
| deram | merlin1991: depends on ssh build options.. | 11:23 |
| merlin1991 | well authorized_keys on my n9 is rwrr | 11:24 |
| deram | but some distros are not so strict as they should be | 11:24 |
| dang_ | meh and all this in the morning when i want to scp music to the device before going to work | 11:25 |
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| merlin1991 | living up to your nick ;) | 11:26 |
| dang_ | i know i could also do that via usb. but this really annoys me right now | 11:27 |
| deram | you could not have copied those files to your home as root anyway... | 11:28 |
| dang_ | that worked for me | 11:28 |
| dang_ | are you using the "user" account to ssh in? | 11:28 |
| deram | yes | 11:28 |
| dang_ | hmm ok strange | 11:29 |
| jonni | you can just create autorized_keys as user and rock and roll, you just cant change the ownership | 11:29 |
| merlin1991 | deram: you can | 11:29 |
| merlin1991 | push them into MyDocs, that works just fine | 11:29 |
| merlin1991 | /home/user doesn't though | 11:30 |
| deram | ahh.. MyDocs is not protected from root.. ok | 11:30 |
| deram | haven't checked | 11:30 |
| dang_ | if i just create authorized_keys as "user", ssh login via pubkeys dont work for mw | 11:31 |
| dang_ | hmm and now the device isnt reachable anymore via tcp/ip, wtf | 11:32 |
| jonni | lets see I'll test to make authorized_keys as user | 11:32 |
| dang_ | thanks! | 11:32 |
| dang_ | hmm restarting wireless and network connections to the device work again. weird | 11:33 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: http://paste.kde.org/144614/ | 11:33 |
| dang_ | does the sshd log to some place here? | 11:36 |
| qronic | <dang_> you should make passwd -u user as root first AFAIK | 11:36 |
| dang_ | meh i cant even strace it as root | 11:36 |
| dang_ | qronic: oh | 11:36 |
| dang_ | this did the trick! | 11:36 |
| dang_ | didnt think of unlocking. thanks a lot! | 11:37 |
| qronic | np, "ve read it somewhere | 11:37 |
| dang_ | ok thank you guys, now i can leave for work! | 11:40 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | so im able to get some hildon applications starting in this maemo 5 chroot | 11:45 |
| Sazpaimon_ | let me test some more things | 11:45 |
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| Piru | hello | 12:05 |
| Piru | I hacked PR1.1 ssh root login back. details here: http://sintonen.fi/n9_pr1.1_remote_root_ssh_login.txt | 12:05 |
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| jonni | Piru: this is the easiest way devel-su -c "echo root2:SU.odxvRwp3Vs:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh >> /etc/passwd" | 12:11 |
| jonni | that way you just do ssh root2@192.168.2.15 and everything just works | 12:12 |
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| mece | ZogG_N9, seems it worked :) | 12:15 |
| ZogG_N9 | mece \0/ | 12:15 |
| mece | I REALLY want stellarium mobile on harmattan | 12:15 |
| ZogG_N9 | than port iy | 12:16 |
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| ZogG_N9 | btw how i set emails and teeet mentions to popup as notifications? | 12:16 |
| deram | ZogG_N9: nice to see I'm not the only one writing bad on n9 vkbd | 12:16 |
| deram | ;) | 12:16 |
| ZogG_N9 | deram =) | 12:17 |
| deram | swype in terminal is the worst | 12:17 |
| mece | here's source for the custom UI http://stellarium-mobile.org/?page_id=3 | 12:17 |
| ZogG_N9 | its coz im in portrait mode and im russian and dislexic, what is your exuses? | 12:17 |
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| ZogG_N9 | mece than port it | 12:20 |
| deram | I'm just plain bad with touchscreens... | 12:21 |
| ZogG_N9 | irc chatter is really nice to use on phone | 12:21 |
| deram | ZogG_N9: you probably mean "then port it" :) | 12:22 |
| ZogG_N9 | though landscape shoud change the place of side bar | 12:22 |
| ZogG_N9 | like to put it on top or something | 12:22 |
| deram | that toolbar is just too big compared to vkbd buttons | 12:22 |
| Piru | jonni: well mine is 1 echo as well, except that you can keep using user root ;) | 12:22 |
| ZogG_N9 | deram, i mean what i mean, and you understand what you understand | 12:23 |
| deram | need to make own terminal... | 12:23 |
| deram | ZogG_N9: yes | 12:23 |
| Piru | jonni: so no need to adjust your existing scripts etc | 12:23 |
| ZogG_N9 | deram, was talking about chatter not irssi ir terminal | 12:23 |
| deram | ok | 12:23 |
| decibyte | deram: own terminal? | 12:24 |
| ZogG_N9 | btw do we have something like gainroot or something for meego ? | 12:24 |
| Piru | devel-su ? | 12:24 |
| ZogG_N9 | deram port urxvt | 12:24 |
| ZogG_N9 | =) | 12:24 |
| deram | decibyte: I'm thinking patching the meego-terminal application | 12:25 |
| ZogG_N9 | Piru, not the same | 12:25 |
| decibyte | deram: to achieve...? | 12:25 |
| Hq` | there's already http://hqh.unlink.org/harmattan | 12:25 |
| * decibyte was about to point to the same link as Hq` | 12:26 | |
| Piru | ZogG_N9: not the same, but closest I'd say | 12:26 |
| Piru | ZogG_N9: you asked for "something like or something" | 12:27 |
| deram | Hq`: that is nice one, but somehow not as good feel to vkbd as the original | 12:27 |
| deram | don't know exaclty what, but it does not feel right for me | 12:28 |
| deram | I was thinking about making that toolbar of meego-terminal smaller and making the terminal not send resize events when keyboard comes visible, just shift the window so the active line is visible | 12:29 |
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| Hq` | yeah, I wasn't able to make haptic feedback work at least | 12:35 |
| ZogG_N9 | Piru, i use it already but i need to enter pass, i think thats the reason we dont have root access in filebox | 12:35 |
| ZogG_N9 | Hq`, i got terminal would try it | 12:36 |
| decibyte | Hq`: it sure has potential for improvement. but i really like the idea and how it works already. | 12:36 |
| deram | yes, it has very much potential. | 12:36 |
| Hq` | has anyone had success with QFeedbackEffect on the N9 ? | 12:36 |
| ZogG_N9 | i need to start playing with qml | 12:37 |
| Piru | ZogG_N9: well I use ssh remote root access with public keys. quite handy | 12:37 |
| Piru | ZogG_N9: then entering the password can be delegated to ssh-agent | 12:37 |
| ZogG_N9 | but you need to set it so u cant make app with autoroot access | 12:38 |
| Piru | and the pass is for your key, not for root. having to enter your root password all the time just sucks | 12:38 |
| ZogG_N9 | btw i tryed to ssh to myself and pass was wrong | 12:38 |
| Piru | remote root login is disabled by default these days (PR1.1+) | 12:39 |
| ZogG_N9 | btw is prey porting client for meego or we should email them? | 12:39 |
| ZogG_N9 | Piru, i didnt get update | 12:40 |
| ZogG_N9 | btw i have pr 005 should i flash to global 001? | 12:40 |
| ZogG_N9 | lardman, looking forward for your qr code app and btw i think now we can use app installatiin like we wanted in maemo | 12:41 |
| jonni | you should wait for 005 | 12:41 |
| ZogG_N9 | jonni, why! | 12:42 |
| ZogG_N9 | ?* | 12:42 |
| jonni | different regions have different keyboard layouts etc | 12:42 |
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| jonni | so you might end up in funny situations depending on region | 12:43 |
| ZogG_N9 | lardman, it woild be nice to intagrate mime, so it would read what extention and popup with promt like “its an image wanna open” and than it would download and open with img viewer | 12:44 |
| hiemanshu | what happened to Alien Dalvik for meego? | 12:44 |
| ZogG_N9 | jonni, i got mine from usa and i think they got it from australia, as im in israel i installed hebrew manually anyway | 12:44 |
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| ZogG_N9 | i use en as main lang anyway | 12:45 |
| decibyte | is an alpha/beta/whatever version of that qr app available somewhere? | 12:45 |
| mece | hiemanshu, everything that was expected. | 12:46 |
| ZogG_N9 | just interesting whats the differents between prs exept layouts | 12:46 |
| ZogG_N9 | decibyte, the lardmans mbarcode | 12:47 |
| jonni | ZogG_N9: well if your keyboard layout is standard and you dont want any regional customization then 001 should be ok, but I cannot say that officially if you happen to brick your device :) | 12:48 |
| hiemanshu | mece: dead? | 12:48 |
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| jonni | I've flashed all kinds of variants to my phone, but then again I'm able to downgrade back to working one if I brick my dev. | 12:50 |
| decibyte | ZogG_N9: i fail at the internets. can't find it anywhere. do you have a link? | 12:50 |
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| lardman | ZogG: integrate mime how do you mean? | 12:56 |
| lardman | you wouldn't encode an image in a QRcode realistically | 12:56 |
| lardman | but it does currently look at the uri type and handle it accordingly | 12:56 |
| mece | hiemanshu, nothing. it was never announced or anything. Just some bloggers read into it more than what it was. | 12:56 |
| lardman | ZogG: re installation, does harmattan offer a .install file equivalent yet? That would make it easier | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | integrate it with respect to y lardman | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | making one shouldn't be hard | 12:58 |
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| lardman | well we could just call apt directly, but I'd prefer to be able to hand off to something that is designed for the purpose | 12:58 |
| mece | wow these new bots on twitter sure have a lot of followers. I guess there are a lot of them :) | 13:01 |
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| z720 | Piru: ur PR1.1 is OTA ? | 13:22 |
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| ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, hey | 13:43 |
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| jeremy_laine | jonni: I was wondering about the same thing as ZogG_N9, as I am wondering whether pr 009 will get an update (I think it's Germany) | 13:46 |
| ZogG_N9 | it will | 13:46 |
| ZogG_N9 | everyone would get | 13:46 |
| ZogG_N9 | the question was why should i use native and global | 13:47 |
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| jonni | jeremy_laine: 009 is Europe2, and yes every region will get an update. Most likely people are just 1st fixing the bugs that were noticed on 001 deployment, so people wont get so many bricks. | 13:50 |
| jonni | and eventually even navifirm should be able to find 40-4 flash binaries | 13:51 |
| ZogG_N9 | ill wait for ota | 13:52 |
| jabis | jonni, could you be a bit more specific with the navifirm flash? I'm hesitant to try downgrading via the earlier 34-1 image, as the only thing remaining 34-1 seems to be my running kernel | 13:54 |
| jonni | well on CE devices downgrade is blocked, so if your device is runnung 40-4 then flasher will fail to flash 34-1. Only devices with R&D cert can be downgraded. | 13:55 |
| jabis | jonni: or do you have advice how I could restart the device in flashing mode (I see the new kernel in staging, but every reboot goes with USER instead of xFLASH or whatever the flag would need to be) | 13:55 |
| Corsac | well, booting with kernel arg bootmode=update should work | 13:55 |
| Corsac | empashis on /should/ | 13:55 |
| Corsac | I'm not sure how well passing args to the kernel command line works | 13:55 |
| jabis | that's what I'm asking jonni about :) | 13:56 |
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| jabis | I now know that the flashable images are in nokia care, but it's >9000 (5days) queue and I can't do without my work phone that long (and as it's OTA that screwed my phone and not me, I refuse to pay extra for "express" service) | 13:58 |
| merlin1991 | how does one find out the product code of the device? | 13:58 |
| Corsac | what's that queue? | 13:59 |
| jabis | phones in line waiting to be serviced | 13:59 |
| Corsac | oh. | 13:59 |
| jabis | (told to me by one angry updater :D ) | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Pay the extra. | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Claim it back in small claims court. | 14:00 |
| jonni | merlin1991: sysinfoclient -p /device/product-code | 14:00 |
| janpod | same here... OTA screwed my phone | 14:01 |
| * RST38h yawns, sacrifices a hamster to the Tentacled One | 14:02 | |
| jabis | jonni: did you see my question ^ :) | 14:02 |
| merlin1991 | thanks jonni | 14:03 |
| jabis | RST38h: you have plenty of hamsters tharr - you a breeder? | 14:03 |
| Arkenoi | is there a way to perform selective restore other than to do manual unzip (which is not guaranteed to work due to aegis uglyness)? | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG | N950 went back to customs for no reason, yay | 14:04 |
| jonni | jabis: "reboot -u" | 14:04 |
| jabis | jonni, cheers - I'll give it a shot | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | Arkenoi, no, regression from Fremantle | 14:04 |
| jabis | *crossing mah fingers* | 14:05 |
| RST38h | jabis: No, I use the word as an euphemism for "blogger" | 14:06 |
| jabis | nokia logo came up - another reboot, nokia logo came up, please lord not a bootloop x) | 14:06 |
| jabis | *tididindindin* - pin code entered - let's see nao | 14:07 |
| jabis | holy shitstickles - it worked - running kernel updated - nao let's see about the borken camera | 14:08 |
| jonni | ;) | 14:08 |
| jabis | \o/ YAY for CAMERA | 14:08 |
| Corsac | let's try that too | 14:08 |
| Corsac | ha | 14:09 |
| jonni | glad to be able to help | 14:09 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Mexican drug runners torture and decapitate blogger | 14:09 |
| RST38h | The moderator of a Mexican social network has been tortured and ritually murdered by local drug lords (RITUALLY!) | 14:09 |
| jabis | jonni, I wasn't sure about the flag to give, but I was on the right track anyhow :) thanks a bunch man :> | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: Eldar's next | 14:09 |
| jabis | phonetorch also working - and my strobe led-program ^^ let's see about the frontal camera too | 14:10 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: So, who is going to ritually kill poor Eldar? | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: That is discriminatory to those whose sacrificial practices are shooting people in the head. | 14:10 |
| jabis | everything works - nao back to them forums to pass on this no-brainer :) | 14:11 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Given Eldar's previous run-ins with Sony Ericsson, I would expect a katana wound! | 14:11 |
| ZogG_N9 | MohammadAG, so n950 is on your way | 14:11 |
| ZogG_N9 | \0/ | 14:12 |
| janpod | jabis: so all you did to complete the failed PR1.1 update was issue as root command "reboot -u"? | 14:13 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: back to customs? WTF? | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe to the normal customs people not the people that stand round pointing guns at the packages. | 14:15 |
| Piru | damn. my instructions had a bug, missing mkdir -m 0755 -p /var/run/sshd | 14:16 |
| jabis | janpod: correct | 14:16 |
| Piru | well all fixed now ;) | 14:16 |
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| jabis | janpod: we saw the links to the correct kernel in /var/lib/fiasco-flasher/staging/ , and I saw gconfd failing post-inst scripts, thus could reason that the update reboot never took place, and didn't know which argument to pass to reboot for updating, a simple -u flag's for update x) | 14:18 |
| Corsac | jonni: many thanks as well :) | 14:21 |
| janpod | jabis: naw that is really some easy fix. But I can't imagine normal users to do this at all. Nokia should make this update procedure more friendly. | 14:21 |
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| janpod | jabis: do you recommend i run this command via ssh login to N9 or directly on the device's own Terminal? Probably it's all the same. | 14:24 |
| jonni | doesnt matter | 14:24 |
| ZogG_N9 | mece, i see only gtalk and no jabber in accounts | 14:25 |
| janpod | OK then I'm off to try this unfortunate reboot -u ... fingers crossed... | 14:25 |
| jabis | janpod: doesn't matter, only make sure you're root | 14:25 |
| jabis | so develsh or devel-su - | 14:25 |
| janpod | loading.... nokia logo.... | 14:27 |
| janpod | led flashing... | 14:27 |
| janpod | pulsating... | 14:28 |
| jabis | if you still get the wrong version, that means there wasn't a staged kernel in there | 14:29 |
| jabis | which you'll then jhave to stage -> fiasco-flasher-stage /usr/share/osso/kernel-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701.fiasco | 14:29 |
| janpod | About pruduct: now shows correct version PR1.1 (20.2011.40-4_PR_001) ... yupi | 14:29 |
| janpod | YES... camera working again! | 14:30 |
| janpod | jonni, jabis, Corsac ... thank you all. | 14:31 |
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| Corsac | unfortunately, that doesn't fix the fenix/messageserver cpu usage :( | 14:35 |
| Corsac | 1601 1 user R N 77468 7.6 96.8 /usr/bin/messageserver | 14:35 |
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| ZogG_N9 | bye guys ) good day | 14:38 |
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| jabis | Corsac: mine isn't even on top40 of htop on any group by :O | 14:44 |
| * Arkenoi tries to trace down exactly what causes tracker malfunction | 14:47 | |
| Arkenoi | is it google or sowatch | 14:47 |
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| Corsac | jabis: yeah, there's definitely something fishy here (and it doesn't even happen all the time) | 14:50 |
| Corsac | I think it might try to index messages or something like that | 14:51 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders if Corsacs messageserver is sending out a million viagra ads a day. | 14:52 | |
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| Corsac | damn | 14:57 |
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| Arkenoi | strange | 14:59 |
| Arkenoi | restore keeps asking me "switch internet connection on?" and seemingly does nothing until i answer yes | 15:00 |
| Corsac | in any case, I asked it to only keep 200 mails right now, and I can definitely say there are much more of them | 15:00 |
| Arkenoi | and i'd better not to | 15:00 |
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| Corsac | sqlite> select count(*) from 'nmo:Message'; | 15:06 |
| Corsac | 20468 | 15:06 |
| Corsac | *nice* | 15:07 |
| deram | thats wee bit over 200 messages | 15:08 |
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| Corsac | indeed | 15:12 |
| Arkenoi | damn | 15:17 |
| Arkenoi | seems that if i do not allow it to access internet restore just never ends | 15:17 |
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| jonni | and now even navifirm has 40-4 001 available, so you can unbrick your N9 manually with flasher. | 16:00 |
| Corsac | as long as you have windows :) | 16:04 |
| jonni | linux & wine & navifirm | 16:05 |
| jonni | but that should help the people with messageserver load issues | 16:05 |
| Corsac | no way wine will ever touch my laptop | 16:05 |
| jonni | or as some windows users to download .bin for you | 16:05 |
| Corsac | jonni: fwiw, I removed the account and recreated it | 16:05 |
| Corsac | will see if that help | 16:05 |
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| djszapi | Hi! I do not have a production device by hand. Are the devicelock and mfe set by default on PR 1.0 ? | 16:09 |
| jabis | jonni: were you the hasty one that rushed the image out in the open? If so - thanks for that too, now I can feel good about writing test programs and don't need to worry about bricking it permantly anymore :) | 16:10 |
| Corsac | djszapi: not that I know | 16:11 |
| Corsac | djszapi: I didn't configure anything for MFE, but when adding a devicelock it didn't ask me for one | 16:11 |
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| deram | is navifirm firmwares considered official, in case of warranty? | 16:13 |
| djszapi | mfe is not set up mm | 16:13 |
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| djszapi | deram: no, it is completely illegal | 16:14 |
| djszapi | so not just warranty lacking, but legality, too | 16:14 |
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| RST38h | ~lawyers | 16:17 |
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| Arkenoi | sh?t. i finally had to turn google contact sync off. | 16:28 |
| Arkenoi | gave up after 5 restore cycles | 16:28 |
| Arkenoi | nothing suspicious in logs, but tracker goes nuts | 16:28 |
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| djszapi | could someone have a sake to try out touch /var/malf and reboot on PR1.0 for instance ? | 17:11 |
| djszapi | It might cause re-flashing, but I would like to make sure such a minor "issue" causes rebootable MALF automatically. | 17:11 |
| djszapi | if it reboots properly as I expect, rm /var/malf will fix it, so no biggie | 17:12 |
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| djszapi | if not, reflash needed. | 17:12 |
| gri | djszapi: If you give me a 40-4 hint, which version I need to download, I will brick my 1.0 image :) | 17:14 |
| jabis | gri, look at your simtray for model code | 17:15 |
| jabis | (then navifirm discretely to that product code & d/l it for reflashing) | 17:16 |
| djszapi | meh | 17:16 |
| gri | jabis: Thank you, it's from norway :) | 17:17 |
| jabis | gri: you need the precise model code (if you don't have R&D cert) | 17:17 |
| jabis | and that's under your simtray :) | 17:18 |
| jabis | prolly NORTH EUROPE model then :) | 17:18 |
| gri | 059K755 this code? | 17:18 |
| jabis | correct | 17:18 |
| gri | NDT NORWAY CYAN !&GB | 17:18 |
| djszapi | gri: I do remember it booted | 17:18 |
| djszapi | but my colleague says it did not boot after any MALF in PR 1.0 PR 1.1 | 17:19 |
| gri | djszapi: moment, I will try | 17:19 |
| alterego | Has anyone else been accepted in to the Nokia Developer Champion programme this week? | 17:20 |
| gri | djszapi: Does it matter if I touch as root or user (assume user won't work)? | 17:20 |
| djszapi | var is a variable folder | 17:21 |
| djszapi | ideally anybody should be able to write on desktop *nix | 17:21 |
| gri | /home/developer $ touch /var/malf | 17:22 |
| gri | touch: /var/malf: Permission denied | 17:22 |
| gri | ok, must be root then :) | 17:22 |
| djszapi | ls -lda /var please. | 17:22 |
| jabis | I just got my kernel flashed properly - not gonna malf it for the fuck of it :D | 17:22 |
| gri | ~ # ls -lda /var | 17:22 |
| gri | drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Aug 31 06:28 /var | 17:22 |
| djszapi | meh | 17:22 |
| djszapi | that slightly enforces the principles what var was designed for | 17:23 |
| djszapi | violates*, that is | 17:23 |
| djszapi | but at any rate...as root then ;) | 17:23 |
| jabis | djszapi: btw - the answer to my question from last night was a simple a simple " -u " argument in reboot fyi | 17:23 |
| gri | root wrote, turned off phone *waiting* | 17:23 |
| djszapi | jabis: sorry, but what was your question ? | 17:24 |
| gri | djszapi: "Device is malfunctioning" :) | 17:24 |
| djszapi | gri: right, does it continue the boot ? | 17:24 |
| gri | "Unidentified problem (unknown): | 17:24 |
| djszapi | after a few seconds | 17:24 |
| gri | nothing so far | 17:24 |
| jabis | djszapi, what flag do I need to use to get to update mode so that running kernel will be flashed aka camera not working and wrong kernel in /proc/version | 17:24 |
| gri | djszapi: Yep | 17:25 |
| djszapi | I do not recall such a question ... | 17:25 |
| jabis | (after OTA) | 17:25 |
| gri | now it's there again | 17:25 |
| djszapi | gri: again where ? | 17:25 |
| gri | after device is malfunctioning it restarted itself again and booted correctly then | 17:25 |
| djszapi | PR 1.0 and N950 ? | 17:25 |
| gri | pr 1.0 n9 | 17:26 |
| jabis | djszapi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79802 PR 1.1 Camera not working | 17:26 |
| djszapi | jabis: sorry I do not recall such a question really | 17:26 |
| djszapi | all I helped with is the camera-ui thingie | 17:26 |
| djszapi | what was the problem | 17:26 |
| jabis | camera-ui not working after PR 1.1 OTA :) | 17:27 |
| djszapi | yes, and explained why | 17:27 |
| jabis | well, I gave you the correct answer now - it didn't need a reflash, but a reboot -u | 17:28 |
| gri | djszapi: Now it does not respond to the power buttn anymore | 17:28 |
| jabis | for future reference :) | 17:28 |
| djszapi | jabis: roger | 17:28 |
| gri | can't turn off screen or phone :D | 17:28 |
| djszapi | gri: reboot again please | 17:28 |
| djszapi | it should come back .... | 17:28 |
| djszapi | and then rm /var/malf | 17:28 |
| djszapi | or just ssh in this stage ... | 17:29 |
| djszapi | probably will not work without the device lock thingie ... | 17:29 |
| gri | well, reboot is only possible via ssh now :) | 17:29 |
| djszapi | oh my good I have a talk in one hour | 17:29 |
| djszapi | god* | 17:29 |
| djszapi | cu later :) | 17:29 |
| alterego | Woo, my first commit into Qt proper :) | 17:29 |
| djszapi | gri: press the button long | 17:29 |
| alterego | Well, qt-components actually .. | 17:29 |
| djszapi | alterego: shame on you no contributing previously : p :p | 17:30 |
| djszapi | ;) | 17:30 |
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| gri | jabis: Do I need the NORTHEUROPE EMMC? | 17:31 |
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| alterego | djszapi: well, first official by myself, I've give patches through others' ;) | 17:33 |
| jabis_ | oh look - my alpha server is under a ddos | 17:36 |
| djszapi | alterego: I hope I can maintain a qt addon module if they accept it :p | 17:36 |
| djszapi | alterego: good work anyway, was just jokin' :) | 17:36 |
| alterego | Thanks | 17:36 |
| jabis_ | gri, I wouldn't try flashing the eMMC | 17:38 |
| gri | jabis_: Ok, and what flasher to use? | 17:38 |
| jabis_ | ps - don't ping my primary nick as it's under ddos I can't see shit what's happening there | 17:39 |
| jabis_ | gri: as my server is not responding - http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php and take the WinFlasher_3121 | 17:40 |
| jabis_ | that could connect to my N9 - the newer didn't | 17:40 |
| djszapi | gri: the gluon team: | 17:41 |
| djszapi | http://dot.kde.org/sites/dot.kde.org/files/group-photo.jpg | 17:41 |
| djszapi | at least at this sprint :p | 17:41 |
| gri | djszapi: You seem to be the youngest :) | 17:42 |
| gri | (and the only one with a gluon shirt) | 17:42 |
| gri | oh no, one more | 17:43 |
| djszapi | I am the only one with that shirt, but not sure about the age ... | 17:44 |
| Piru | hmm. there's an app with security vulnerability in ovi store. the author doesn't appear to take it seriously. how to proceed? | 17:44 |
| Piru | (lets just say that user credentials are sent in clear text) | 17:45 |
| gri | What program? :) | 17:45 |
| Piru | I'm not going to disclose that here | 17:45 |
| Piru | should I contact ovi store next so that they can pull the app? | 17:46 |
| djszapi | yes, please asap | 17:46 |
| Piru | do they have some procedure for this kind of stuff? any pointers? | 17:46 |
| djszapi | if you suspect it can cause harms. | 17:46 |
| Piru | it for sure can | 17:47 |
| Piru | leaking user credentials.. username & password, to a widely user service | 17:47 |
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| djszapi | Piru: at least you can write to the customer service | 17:47 |
| Piru | (obviously you need to see the network traffic, but that can easily happen with open wireless networks) | 17:47 |
| djszapi | and enlight them about the protected storage what the accounts plugin do | 17:48 |
| djszapi | and tell them to improve their QA process | 17:49 |
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| clbr_n9 | The QA process seems to be a farce, anyway | 17:51 |
| clbr_n9 | Obviously they just try to get the numbers up | 17:52 |
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| gri | jabis_: Seems the flasher won't accept the phone :( | 17:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Piru: Does the service support non-cleartext login? | 17:56 |
| jabis_ | gri: you need to use the WinFlasher3.1.21 | 17:58 |
| gri | flasher 3.12.1 (Oct 6 2011) Harmattan | 17:58 |
| gri | Suitable USB interface (bootloader/phonet) not found, waiting... - and waits forever | 17:59 |
| jabis_ | gri: first power down the N9 then cli to the location of the image and issue the command - then when you get to waiting... plug the phone in unpowered | 17:59 |
| gri | did exactly that twice, nothing happened | 17:59 |
| djszapi | cu guys later :) | 18:00 |
| gri | phone started to show "loading" image | 18:00 |
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| jabis_ | don't touch it :) | 18:00 |
| gri | well, the battery loading image | 18:00 |
| jabis_ | the flasher will only be able to flash in during the boot | 18:00 |
| gri | what I missed before: Windows pops up with "unknown device" and fails downloading drivers | 18:02 |
| gri | and phone boots the ui | 18:02 |
| Piru | SpeedEvil: for some perverted reason it still does | 18:02 |
| Piru | SpeedEvil: all new APIs don't, but the legacy API is still around and kicking.. unfortunately | 18:02 |
| jabis_ | gri: which platform are you on? howbout a virtual machine? | 18:04 |
| Piru | the new APIs use oauth anyway, making the password issue go away | 18:04 |
| jabis_ | gri: you can get a virtual image from the link I gave you earlier, then just use qemu/virtualbox/vmware | 18:07 |
| Piru | I'd show some tcpdump log if it wouldn't instantly reveal what app it is | 18:08 |
| jabis_ | Piru: is it a bundled app? | 18:11 |
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| Piru | jabis_: nope | 18:17 |
| Piru | that'd be really nasty | 18:17 |
| jabis | back with primary - silly DDosers, don't take into account our dataccenter DDos layer x) | 18:18 |
| Piru | I also took a look of the bundled stuff.. mitmed them with sslsniff. everything I looked at worked correctly though (checking certificate validity and refusing to connect via the spoofed cert) | 18:20 |
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| alterego | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1120829 | 18:27 |
| * alterego chuckles | 18:27 | |
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| Piru | SpeedEvil: oops, well slightly misread your question, but yeah the cleartext login is depracated now.. it should all be oauth over ssl in new apps | 18:28 |
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| gri | jabis: I'm on windows 7 | 18:52 |
| rcg | i might see the problem | 18:55 |
| rcg | scnr | 18:55 |
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| BluesLee | how do i import my bookmarks to the default browser on the n9? | 19:02 |
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| mgedmin | BluesLee, the N9 doesn't really have bookmarks per se -- you can have app launchers that open a web page | 19:24 |
| mgedmin | they live as .desktop files in /home/user/.local/share/applications | 19:26 |
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| tomma | is there some reference code for creating accounts plugin? | 19:28 |
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| dm8tbr | https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso has the sources | 19:29 |
| Chaz6 | How can I allow wifi connections in the background, but not 3g? | 19:30 |
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| ieatlint | Chaz6: go look at settings -> internet connection | 19:31 |
| Chaz6 | ieatlint: i did, but if i change it on the wifi page, it changes it for 3g too | 19:31 |
| ieatlint | uh, no? | 19:31 |
| ieatlint | you set each connection to "automatically connect" or not | 19:31 |
| Chaz6 | I want to set "Allow background connections" to wifi only | 19:32 |
| jabis | mgedmin: BluesLee: using Fennec you can sync bookmarks from your desktop browser *hint* | 19:32 |
| Chaz6 | I dont want background connections for 3g | 19:32 |
| jabis | Chaz6: that doesn't work | 19:33 |
| jabis | it's either or | 19:33 |
| Chaz6 | That's what I thought :/ | 19:33 |
| Chaz6 | My N8 would connect automatically to wifi and not 3g | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | Chaz6, Settings -> Mobile network -> allow background connections: off | 19:34 |
| jabis | mgedmin: that'll toggle all internet connections | 19:34 |
| jabis | a known issue I've been told :) | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | eh? | 19:35 |
| jabis | change it and you'll see | 19:35 |
| Chaz6 | Ah good at least it's known so hopefully there will be a fix :) | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | so why are there two separate options then? | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | or is it the same option shown in two places? | 19:35 |
| jabis | it's the same option showing in two screens x) | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | ah! ok | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | then go to Edit connections, find your 3G connection, and uncheck [x] use automatically, maybe | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | downside: when you'll launch a web browser or something, you'll probably need to connect manually | 19:36 |
| jabis | I'd remember there's an inquiry "do you want to connect to a network" at that time | 19:37 |
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| BluesLee | jabis: i know that but i am not sure if i should go for fennec for that reason, opera can import from files | 19:43 |
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| BluesLee | is there community repo for harmattan? a free version of cutetube or should i compile it myself? so many questions ... | 19:47 |
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| BluesLee | categories on the launcher screen would be nice, can i add contacts to that one? | 19:48 |
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| BluesLee | damn, i miss my n900:-) | 19:48 |
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| jabis | BluesLee: there is, wait a sec I'll cat the source list | 19:50 |
| ZogG_N9 | hey, who is using vlc remote and wich one? | 19:51 |
| BluesLee | jabis: this one http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=harmattan? | 19:51 |
| jabis | BluesLee: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ./ | 19:51 |
| jabis | at least | 19:51 |
| BluesLee | jabis: is there a free version of cutetube? | 19:52 |
| jabis | BluesLee: I'm not sure http://my-meego.com/software/index.php | 19:52 |
| jabis | there's plenty of harmattan resources around - too shame it's all bits and pieces here and there | 19:53 |
| jabis | also http://apps.formeego.org/applications/ | 19:53 |
| jabis | but that's more like upcoming resource | 19:54 |
| BluesLee | yes http://n9-apps.com/ | 19:54 |
| BluesLee | and http://apps.formeego.org/basecategories/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/ | 19:54 |
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| jabis | Blues, fennec 10 feels more robust and quick than opera | 19:55 |
| jabis | tho I dislike that it doesn't come as native and is still @aurora stage | 19:56 |
| jabis | native qt I mean | 19:56 |
| jabis | and isn't going to - ever - as stated by the mobile team | 19:56 |
| ZogG_N9 | is there package manager for repos, store wouldnt show them i thknk =) | 19:56 |
| merlin1991 | lmao foreveralone ended up in the repos :D | 19:58 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG_N9: there is | 19:58 |
| ZogG_N9 | in repo? whats the name? | 19:59 |
| jabis | ZogG_N9: it's in apps.formeego I think | 20:00 |
| * merlin1991 couldn't find the name, but someone on tmo wrote abut it in xfades announce thread | 20:00 | |
| macmaN | yo. who has skype ui on n950 | 20:00 |
| macmaN | WHO I ASK | 20:00 |
| macmaN | how long do i have to look at this iconless skype connection | 20:00 |
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| jabis | too bad I'm really too busy - I'm cooking up a skype-able frontal camera shinding (currently testing with desktop Skype, streaming as a webcam) *disclaimer* and no I'm not releasing sources as everything I code is the property of my co-owned company x) | 20:05 |
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| jabis | disclaimer was a poor choice of words - fyi would been better x) | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean skype on n9? | 20:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh | 20:07 |
| macmaN | who | 20:07 |
| SpeedEvil | You mean act as a desktop 'webcam'. | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Isn't there an app like that in the store already? | 20:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | I thought it was gadget-USB, which raised my hopes. | 20:08 |
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| jabis | SpeedEvil: no a straight plugin for skype iface | 20:17 |
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| jabis | I'm now kinda emulating via webcam interface, but I hope to get it undergoing soon | 20:18 |
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| jabis | the ERP client for our sales & logistics is higher priority (boo I tell ya x) | 20:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Gotta do what you gotta do. | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo javispedro | 20:26 |
| javispedro | moo! | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: number of the day: 25,000 | 20:26 |
| javispedro | 25,000 wp7 devices on ebay? | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | on Nokia's giveaway shelf | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ebay... later ;-P | 20:27 |
| javispedro | (i knew -- thus the joke ;P ) | 20:27 |
| javispedro | btw | 20:28 |
| javispedro | for a quick fun, I suggest reading the comments on that blogpost | 20:28 |
| javispedro | (the one in nokia dev blog) | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whining students? | 20:29 |
| javispedro | "I once sent an email to Elop telling him how good his WP7 strategy was! I deserve a free phone!" | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | must be US or India | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | max 18 y o | 20:30 |
| Frye | hehe | 20:30 |
| Frye | Maybe it's just me but for me the live tiles look like broken web portal. | 20:31 |
| javispedro | that was the idea, I guess | 20:31 |
| Frye | If I come to a web page that flashes like that it's instant close for it | 20:31 |
| Frye | There's really nothing to say there if there is room for that kind of mumbo jumbo | 20:31 |
| javispedro | Frye: http://r33b.net/ all glory to flashy websites! | 20:32 |
| Frye | haha | 20:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if "the whore" (err Lumia) also has a tight security framework from xloader up | 20:32 | |
| Frye | Anyway I would still take one free just to play around with it for a few days | 20:33 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you betcha why MS mandates a single SOC vendor | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | will be fun to crack ;-D | 20:33 |
| Frye | hehe | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, we'll be able to check by ourselves soon enough :-) | 20:35 |
| Frye | Anyway I'm not going to buy one myself before the development can be done on mac or linux =) | 20:35 |
| Frye | And most likely not even then ;-) | 20:35 |
| dm8tbr | javispedro: http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/02/st-ericssons-novathor-to-power-nokias-windows-phone-devices-l/ | 20:36 |
| dm8tbr | but rest assured, the STE silly-cone also has crypto and signing all over it... | 20:37 |
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| * dm8tbr has a snowball on his desk | 20:37 | |
| javispedro | never heard of it? | 20:37 |
| rafael2k | people, I could run my "a.out" after compiling a software with gcc | 20:37 |
| dm8tbr | snowball is the EVM/PDK for the NovaThor | 20:37 |
| javispedro | hm, it seems to have a mali | 20:37 |
| rafael2k | why aegis did not stopped me? | 20:37 |
| dm8tbr | javispedro: yes | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | rafael2k: it'll hit you when you want it the least to | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2121148/nokias-phone-lumia-means-prostitute-spanish-slang | 20:38 |
| javispedro | dm8tbr: weird thing, I guess they are able to make Direct3DMobile drivers for other platforms after all | 20:38 |
| rafael2k | Stskeeps: well, but it isn't supposed to only permitt registered binaries to run? | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not on ID::user | 20:40 |
| rafael2k | I was logged as root | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmmmmmm | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | accli -l | 20:41 |
| rafael2k | (<- suffering to get a useable workstation on N950) | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui paegis lets you run binaries that don't need nor will get granted any special permissions | 20:42 |
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| javispedro | it shouldn't | 20:42 |
| rafael2k | accli -l ? | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | rafael2k: so *ssshhhhh* ! ;-P | 20:42 |
| rafael2k | is "-l" the right parameter? | 20:42 |
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| rafael2k | ooops | 20:43 |
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| rafael2k | -I | 20:43 |
| rafael2k | Mode is normal | 20:44 |
| ZogG_N9 | damn i timeouted | 20:44 |
| rafael2k | and there are some credentials | 20:44 |
| ZogG_N9 | so what is package manager name | 20:44 |
| ZogG_N9 | found only on gitorious some projects | 20:45 |
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| clbr | is it possible to change the from-address for an email account? entered the wrong alias when setting it up | 20:47 |
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| rafael2k | DocScrutinizer: Do you have the full toolchain packages correctly installed on the N9(50)? | 20:48 |
| ZogG_N9 | damn i closed app by mistake | 20:48 |
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| clbr | and I could sweat that PR1.0 had an sqlite3 cli tool, but I can't find it anymore in PR1.1 | 20:48 |
| ZogG_N9 | so did i miss an answer? | 20:48 |
| clbr | ~swear | 20:48 |
| infobot | Heck is a place for people who don't believe in gosh, but only in #utah. | 20:48 |
| BluesLee | jabis: for what /etc/skyhost/skypevideocodecs.conf is good if not used? | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | rafael2k: none of that | 20:49 |
| ZogG_N9 | ~clbr | 20:49 |
| ZogG_N9 | ~ping | 20:50 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:50 |
| clbr | ups, does "~" mean something irc-wise? | 20:50 |
| BluesLee | does the n9 kbd provide curso keys? | 20:50 |
| infobot | ~ is the key | 20:50 |
| clbr | whatever, I'd rather prefer to sweat than to sweat in here | 20:51 |
| infobot | ~+help | 20:51 |
| ZogG_N9 | BluesLee, i saw it only on few apps so no | 20:51 |
| clbr | someone played with my keyboard 8-| | 20:52 |
| ZogG_N9 | clbr, liar | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~+help | 20:52 |
| infobot | I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?" | 20:52 |
| infobot | 37 topics: action, addressing, alternation, author, babelfish, banadd, bandel, botmail, chanadd, chandel, chaninfo, chanset, chanunset, chattr, chnick, chpass, contents, convert, cookie, corrections, cpustats, crypt, cycle, dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dict, dns, do, dollar variables, dstats, factinfo, factstats, flags, forget, freshmeat | 20:52 |
| infobot | 39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostadd, hostdel, httpdtype, identify, ignore, ircstats, join, karma, kernel, kick, lart, lc, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lobotomy, lock, main, math, md5, mode, news, news add, news del, news mod, news set, news set expire, nickometer, onjoin, ord, page, part, piglatin, quote, redirection | 20:52 |
| infobot | 32 topics: rename, reply, reverse, rot13, rssfeeds, say, scramble, search, seen, slashdot, spell, status, tell, topic, topic add, topic del, topic mod, topic mv, topic restore, uc, unforget, unlobotomy, unlock, upsidedown, uptime, useradd, userdel, verstats, wantnick, whois, wikipedia, wtf | 20:52 |
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| ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, damn u | 20:53 |
| ZogG_N9 | what for? | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart ZogG_N9 | 20:53 |
| * infobot cuts off ZogG_N9's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper | 20:53 | |
| ZogG_N9 | ~rape DocScrutinizer | 20:53 |
| * infobot takes DocScrutinizer behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 20:53 | |
| clbr | but I guess there's is just no way to change the email sender address except playing with the sqlite-database | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | she does that twice a day, without you telling her | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~attack ZogG_N9 | 20:54 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing ZogG_N9 | 20:54 | |
| ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, where can i find package manager ? | 20:54 |
| ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, im from phone, save my batt | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, N9 bat life seems exceptionally great | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc about packet manager | 20:55 |
| ZogG_N9 | nfc? lol | 20:55 |
| ZogG_N9 | it stand for no f clue or nfc device? | 20:56 |
| ZogG_N9 | ~package manager n9 | 20:57 |
| * infobot puts manager n9 in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently located closet | 20:57 | |
| ZogG_N9 | where i find infobot? | 20:58 |
| ZogG_N9 | where can i find infobot? | 20:59 |
| ZogG_N9 | =( | 20:59 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: (bat life) good news I guess, n950 is for some reason getting worse battery life with each upgrade.. | 20:59 |
| BluesLee | jabis: i guess you are working for bk? | 21:00 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, stop bitching, you have an N950 | 21:01 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: touché | 21:01 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: how's your story? | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, to be continued next week | 21:02 |
| javispedro | well that's a given | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | can you check my shipment status? | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | ~Israel-sucks | 21:03 |
| javispedro | are they even going to update it again? | 21:03 |
| infobot | [israel-sucks] http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | I'm on 2G | 21:03 |
| javispedro | oh, they updated it | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | to Clearance delay? | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | or We're fucking with you | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm | 21:04 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: but did they "find" it? Or they're still searching | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | we're blaming this on Israel | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | what if it's Aegis's fault | 21:04 |
| javispedro | Aegis is a weapon of mass destruction | 21:04 |
| w00t | MohammadAG: did you contact DDP? | 21:05 |
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| MohammadAG | w00t, yes, they contacted DHL yesterday who then contacted Israel | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | knowing Israel, they probably didn't understand the question and deleted the message | 21:07 |
| jesuschrist | hi ppl | 21:08 |
| jesuschrist | sup | 21:08 |
| w00t | MohammadAG: you really need to move :-P | 21:08 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: I guess that if Nokia keeps poking them, they will eventually send some men in black to your home | 21:08 |
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| jesuschrist | anyone with a swizterland phone recived the 1.1 update ? | 21:10 |
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| ZogG_N9 | sup sup sup | 22:12 |
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| jabis | back again | 22:28 |
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| jabis | blues took off | 22:28 |
| Corsac | hmhm, did anyone try to send a calendar event from Harmattan to Fremantle (by mail)? | 22:30 |
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| jonni | jesuschrist: switzerland 1.1 images are in navifirm if you havent got ssu yet. | 22:41 |
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| kimju | what is navifirm? | 22:43 |
| jonni | kimju: 3rd party app which has nice ui to fetch flashing binaries to all nokia phones off from nokia servers | 22:46 |
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| ZogG_N9 | is there way to take screens natively or i need an app for that btw? | 22:51 |
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| jonni | ZogG_N9: atleast on N9 you need to download free app from ovi store, on N950, there might have been 3-key-combination which takes screenshot | 22:52 |
| ZogG_N9 | thanks | 22:53 |
| rantom | Control+Shift+P, I think, for N950 | 22:53 |
| ZogG_N9 | as at n900 | 22:53 |
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| merlin1991 | ZogG_N9: there's also a nifty peace of gst command that you can do over ssh | 22:57 |
| jesuschrist | jonni : i dont want to risk my n9 with navifirm :\ plus navifirm images are 1.1 gb | 23:01 |
| jesuschrist | hey zog | 23:02 |
| jesuschrist | you finally got a n9 | 23:02 |
| jesuschrist | gj | 23:03 |
| jonni | jesuschrist: well navifirm downloads then directly from nokia servers, and nokia care images are 1.1gb also :) | 23:03 |
| jonni | then=them | 23:03 |
| jesuschrist | yep but isnt offical ota upgrade 200 mb ? | 23:03 |
| jonni | ota is only the difference between pr 1.0 and pr1.1, where as those bins are the full sets. | 23:04 |
| jonni | ie if you want to fix a brick you need 1.1gb file | 23:04 |
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| jesuschrist | exactly, i dont want to navifirm ma n9 yo | 23:05 |
| jesuschrist | i can wait, just checking other switz users | 23:05 |
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| jesuschrist | did you recive the new 1.1 jonni ? | 23:05 |
| ZogG_N9 | merlin1991, like apt-get install scrot? =) | 23:06 |
| jonni | and full sets usually work better, since then there are no version conflicts that end users might have installed. | 23:06 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG_N9: like gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot.png | 23:07 |
| jonni | jesuschrist: well I've had 1.1 for some while now since I work for the Nokia, flashing those 1.1gb images happily | 23:07 |
| ZogG_N9 | merlin1991, i didnt find package manager btw only client from formeego and it has 4 apps, would it read from other repos as well? | 23:08 |
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| ajalkane | jonni: do you know, as you work for Nokia, when there will be official images for flashing N9s? We've had them for quite some while for N950, but never so far for N9. | 23:08 |
| ZogG_N9 | jonni, give us insidet info when pr 005 update is comming? | 23:09 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG_N9: I only repeated what I read on the forums, didn't investigate it myself | 23:09 |
| ZogG_N9 | =( | 23:09 |
| jonni | ajalkane: well those navifirm images are downloaded from nokia servers, so they are the official images, and there is already 005 in there | 23:09 |
| ZogG_N9 | jonni, waiting for ota, or ut out too? | 23:10 |
| jonni | but if your asking about ota update, they are load balanced and will happed when they will happen, I dont know the dates | 23:10 |
| ajalkane | jonni: ok, but the navifirm sw works only in Windows. And it feels kinda "stealthy", not official. No plans for One-Click-Flasher like N950 has? | 23:11 |
| jesuschrist | jonni : kill elop, would you ? | 23:12 |
| ZogG_N9 | lol | 23:12 |
| jesuschrist | in a symbolic way ofc :D | 23:12 |
| ajalkane | I'm asking only because my friend bought N9, and I've advised him against activating developer mode until flasher is available since I know at least one instance where the phone entered MALF after activating developer mode. | 23:12 |
| jonni | ajalkane: hard to do one-click flasher since there are so many variants, it would make once-click-flasher to be 60gb size :) | 23:12 |
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| ajalkane | jonni: alright, I understand. So I guess navifirm is what we got and in that light I can safely advise my friend that he can activate developer mode - the N9 is reflashable somehow. Thanks. | 23:14 |
| jonni | ajalkane: navifirm images can fix malf always | 23:14 |
| jesuschrist | so navifirm is officially supported by nokia ? | 23:14 |
| jonni | jesuschrist: navifirm is not supported by nokia, nokia care is using their own internal software, but that is not available for public. Both those softwares fetch the images from same servers though | 23:15 |
| jesuschrist | uh ok | 23:16 |
| jesuschrist | actually developer mode has lot of problems tbh | 23:16 |
| jesuschrist | installing apps from ovi store kills sshd | 23:16 |
| ajalkane | not for me. Installed plenty. Sshd:ing every day. | 23:17 |
| jonni | jesuschrist: all the problems that I know are because of ssu, havent heard any problems on developer-mode on devices with full flash. | 23:17 |
| jesuschrist | ssu stands for ? | 23:17 |
| jonni | ssu=ota | 23:17 |
| jesuschrist | jonni : ive noticed that, sometimes when i install apps from ovi store, sshd stop working... | 23:18 |
| jesuschrist | happened 3 times | 23:18 |
| jesuschrist | since i wouldnt bother to search with the in.built terminal for where the binary was i had to uninstall and reinstall dev mode | 23:19 |
| jonni | shouldnt be releated to each other, some times installing app eats a lot of cpu though so it might be releated to some tcp timeout | 23:19 |
| jesuschrist | jonni : ps aux | grep sshd | 23:19 |
| jesuschrist | nothing there | 23:19 |
| jonni | jesuschrist: oh, I'll check internal bugzilla tomorrow, if someone else has noticed the same.... | 23:20 |
| jonni | and hmmm, pm | 23:21 |
| jesuschrist | another thing jonni since you work for nokia and you are so kind to answer | 23:21 |
| jesuschrist | any idea on where ovi suite will support n9 ? | 23:21 |
| jonni | jesuschrist: afaik never. | 23:23 |
| jesuschrist | wut | 23:23 |
| jesuschrist | really ? | 23:24 |
| jesuschrist | wow! | 23:24 |
| jonni | disclaimer, thats not the official answer of nokia, just me idling here as developer :) | 23:24 |
| jesuschrist | how the fuck should i be able to import sms from my old e70 | 23:24 |
| jesuschrist | arghhhh | 23:25 |
| ZogG_N9 | jonni what have u developed for n9? | 23:25 |
| ajalkane | jesuschrist: did you know that an older version of Ovi Suite works with N9, and if you first install that version and upgrade after, you still have it working with N9? | 23:25 |
| jesuschrist | ajalkane : yeah i know it! but that doesnt work with sms!!!!! | 23:26 |
| jesuschrist | it just sync contacs! | 23:26 |
| ajalkane | jesuschrist: ah... didn't know that. Sorry for your loss :-P | 23:26 |
| ajalkane | I guess you can try putting them into sim-card if it can fit them all :) | 23:26 |
| jesuschrist | tried to import sms in .nbu format and wouldnt work! | 23:26 |
| jesuschrist | ajalkane : tried, small sim... | 23:27 |
| ajalkane | jesuschrist: Here's what's left: Pen + paper + jesuschrist = fun times | 23:27 |
| jesuschrist | :( | 23:28 |
| jesuschrist | i could ask for a bigger sim | 23:29 |
| jesuschrist | hmmm | 23:29 |
| jesuschrist | that would cose me 20 bucks | 23:29 |
| ZogG_N9 | jesuschrist make an app to do it inside n9 | 23:32 |
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| jesuschrist | sounded like a curse, since he quitted | 23:32 |
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| ajalkane | Sounded like blasphemy for sure. Not something you would expect from someone named ZOG. | 23:40 |
| Velmont | Hm. Merging contacts is *extremely slow*. Opening a merged contact for editing sometimes doesn't work, and sometimes pops up after a minute(!). Is it known? Any way to debug? | 23:40 |
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| Velmont | Also, -- bad UX in the merging contacts UI. --- It should not close merging dialog when pressing "Merge" -- it should rather say OK, -- STAY at the same place in the list, and allow you to choose more contacts to merge. | 23:41 |
| jesuschrist | ajalkane : zog should stand for ? | 23:41 |
| ajalkane | Google it | 23:42 |
| Velmont | I've imported my big contact list from gmail (the autofetch feature only got my gtalk contacts (?)), via file, and there's tons of duplicates because N9 already imported the GTalk contacts on its own :-) | 23:42 |
| jesuschrist | did it :8 | 23:42 |
| ajalkane | I dare not say it aloud | 23:42 |
| ajalkane | ZOGgists are often vehement supporters of jesuschrist | 23:43 |
| jesuschrist | i thought zoggist are vehement supporters of palestinian genocide | 23:44 |
| jesuschrist | or maybe i googled the wrong thing | 23:44 |
| ajalkane | You're on the right track, but I think they're mainly on the side of palestinians | 23:45 |
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| jesuschrist | oh right | 23:45 |
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| jesuschrist | ajalkane : how did you import sms ? | 23:50 |
| ajalkane | jesuschrist: I didn't. I have nothing of importance in them. They're just chitter chatter for me, so I didn't have to. | 23:51 |
| jesuschrist | a real man, no emotions | 23:52 |
| jesuschrist | yeaah | 23:52 |
| jesuschrist | :D | 23:52 |
| ajalkane | I'm just a wanna-be geek. Emotions, I've heard, are for girls not geeks I've heard. | 23:53 |
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| jesuschrist | actually girls arent for geeks, ive heard | 23:53 |
| jesuschrist | :D | 23:53 |
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| ajalkane | True. But I'm stuck with my wife, so I have to do with the cards I've been dealt with. | 23:54 |
| jesuschrist | whatever, the inhability for "girls" to import their sms still is a big prob | 23:55 |
| ajalkane | I'm sure there's some geeky shell script the girls can write to import the sms messages :-P | 23:57 |
| ajalkane | Btw. can you export just part of the messages to sim? That way you could import them in suitable amount of messages at a time to N9? | 23:58 |
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| jesuschrist | actually ive exported them in .csv | 23:58 |
| Venemo | good evening everyone :) | 23:59 |
| jesuschrist | i guess a shell script wont be enough, first of all i have no idea in wich format the n9 stores its own sms | 23:59 |
| ajalkane | jesuschrist: then it's only a matter of activating your inner geek and writing a script to import them into N9 | 23:59 |
| ajalkane | N9 probably stores the messages in Tracker. | 23:59 |
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