| jabis | swype made it worse to type landscape on terminal x) | 00:00 |
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| jabis | also disabled changin the layout via swiping over the vkb | 00:00 |
| gri | nice you show both names here | 00:01 |
| jabis | oh and besides - I've rebooted for over 6 times - can't be that | 00:01 |
| gri | Did anyone of you update to qtsdk 1.1.4? | 00:01 |
| ajalkane | There's already 1.1.4? I just upgraded to 1.1.3! | 00:02 |
| gri | since I have a 34-1 default madde environment | 00:02 |
| gri | but there's also a 39-5 one listed | 00:02 |
| gri | but not installed | 00:02 |
| gri | http://pastebin.com/ndQKYru3 (mad list output) | 00:03 |
| gri | oh noo, forget that | 00:03 |
| gri | runtime and target ... are different things :) | 00:03 |
| faenil | I'm trying to update the sdk, but it didn't work, so I stopped it... | 00:04 |
| faenil | don't know if it's worth trying again | 00:04 |
| gri | faenil: I removed mine and reinstalled it even after a successful update | 00:05 |
| faenil | yeah I think I'll do the same... | 00:05 |
| gri | faenil: Did your updater show a kb rate and time remaining? | 00:05 |
| faenil | the updater is broken... | 00:05 |
| faenil | nope | 00:05 |
| faenil | just % | 00:05 |
| gri | The 1.1.4 online installer lists time and download rate | 00:06 |
| gri | so you should try that one it does not seem to have used that one while updating | 00:06 |
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| toninikkanen | what, exactly, is Harmattan doing when, after the battery runs out, you plug it into a charger and restart it, and it takes 30 minutes to boot up again ? | 00:09 |
| toninikkanen | is it charging 29,5 minutes "just in case" and booting 30 seconds, or... | 00:09 |
| faenil | never happened... | 00:09 |
| mpr | do you actually plug it to a charger or to some usb port which might give very little power for some reason? | 00:10 |
| toninikkanen | a charger | 00:10 |
| toninikkanen | a genuine nokia charger plugged into the wall | 00:10 |
| toninikkanen | happens to me every time on N950 (currently running the 39-x whatever version) | 00:10 |
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| jabis | it's the -x whatever -version feature I suppose | 00:12 |
| toninikkanen | i'd say what the x exactly were if the device would stop showing the spinner and let me see the exact version number... | 00:12 |
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| jabis | check the logs for something failing in startup - a hanging script or a failing app? | 00:13 |
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| toninikkanen | i'll steal a jig from somewhere and see the serial console output... naah, maybe not | 00:14 |
| jabis | track & protect for example has been the source of many bitchy things for my N9 (come to a crawl and force a reboot when toggling GPS options) | 00:14 |
| jabis | also froze a few other niners upon first start | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | unfortunately switching off GPS in options causes the device to hang | 00:15 |
| toninikkanen | have to check that once it's properly booted up again... | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | whenever the libraries ask for GPS | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | Unlike on iOS where it says Location is disabled | 00:15 |
| jabis | I couldn't get rid of it without removing all apps tho, which sucks, I'm not gonna apt-get install every other package in the blabal-harmattan-pr package just to rid one x) | 00:16 |
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| jabis | MohammadAG: purely installing(not actually installing but first launch which forces you to set up the accounts) that app froze a batch of fresh N9's, slowly became unresponsive up to the time where the user had to hard-restart the phone, and that's BAD behavior of a bundled app :) | 00:19 |
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| jabis | also people were confused that the phone is asking a security code no one had set.. which meant the code that one used with t&p, but didn't call it with the same name (no security codes anywhere) in the application | 00:22 |
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| mgedmin | in qml, how do you ask for your app to be inverted (i.e. white on black, rather than the default black on grey)? | 00:32 |
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| arcean | mgedmin: http://pastebin.com/4mPSDGbs | 00:34 |
| henkie | 00:35 | |
| mgedmin | thanks! | 00:36 |
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| faenil | sdk updater keeps saying it can't extract components.7z because something is blocking it from doing so... | 00:41 |
| faenil | what can I do? | 00:41 |
| faenil | there's nothing in processes which could prevent that... | 00:41 |
| mgedmin | are you out of disk space? | 00:42 |
| mgedmin | I'm out of ideas | 00:42 |
| faenil | nope | 00:42 |
| mgedmin | sdk updater EATS ALL MY RAM and fails to update anything | 00:42 |
| faenil | same here... | 00:42 |
| mgedmin | I've two copies of the meego stuff in my qt creator somehow | 00:42 |
| faenil | 40%cpu.. | 00:42 |
| mgedmin | I think I'll download the new one and reinstall | 00:42 |
| * mgedmin is trying to mock up a QML interface for Brogue | 00:42 | |
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| * gri is running 1.1.4 sdk and qtcreator 2.4.0 beta and fairly happy :) | 00:44 | |
| faenil | because gri reinstalled everything :P | 00:44 |
| gri | yep, now I only have one .deb left which has to be manually installed into madde | 00:44 |
| gri | libcommhistory-dev is still only available from scratchbox and has to be copied from there | 00:45 |
| gri | good night faenil | 00:49 |
| faenil | good night gri :) | 00:49 |
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| javispedro | omg | 00:50 |
| * javispedro might have got a touchpad after all | 00:50 | |
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| faenil | a touchpad? | 00:52 |
| faenil | damn sdk updater... | 00:52 |
| faenil | retry -> error....ignore -> same error.... | 00:53 |
| faenil | -.- | 00:53 |
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| mgedmin | haha icon-m-toolbar-cancle.png | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~larrt crappy cheap chinese fans | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart crappy cheap chinese fans | 01:25 |
| * infobot shoots crappy cheap chinese fans in his sleep | 01:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you've seen I suffered exactly your bad fate | 01:26 |
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| jabis | so when can we expect a fix for teh camera? x) | 02:09 |
| jabis | camera[pid]: Camera pipeline error: "Internal GStreamer error..." camerabingeneral::gst_camera_add_element(): QCameraCameraBin::linking capsfilter6 failed... | 02:10 |
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| stroughtonsmith | is the N9 PR1.1 update not pushed OTA yet? I haven't seen it on my device | 02:49 |
| stroughtonsmith | or are news sites just reporting on it for the hell of it? :P | 02:49 |
| chpwn | hm, my N9's headphone jack doesn't seem to work at all | 02:51 |
| chpwn | music still plays out of the speakers even with headphones in | 02:51 |
| stroughtonsmith | chpwn: doesn't work with iPhone headset | 02:51 |
| chpwn | I tried Palm headphones too. | 02:51 |
| chpwn | I guess those don't work? | 02:52 |
| stroughtonsmith | what about the N9 ones? do they work? | 02:52 |
| * chpwn tries the N9 headphones | 02:52 | |
| stroughtonsmith | lol | 02:52 |
| chpwn | oh, wait, i can't | 02:52 |
| chpwn | N9 headphones are in another room and there's a cat sitting on me | 02:52 |
| chpwn | ugh | 02:52 |
| chpwn | well, later | 02:52 |
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| jabis | stroughtonsmith: it's a cascading update, region at a time | 03:05 |
| stroughtonsmith | jabis: ah, gotcha. Region of phone purchase or region of use? | 03:06 |
| jabis | phone purchase *afaik* | 03:06 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | holy shit is PR 1.1 out for N9? | 05:44 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | aw | 05:44 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | damn i saw software update and thought it was pr1.1 | 05:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it was just sdk-connectivity-tool | 05:44 |
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| special | Sazpaimon_: PR 1.1 is out for N9 | 06:03 |
| special | Sazpaimon_: http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/08/nokia-n9-swipes-fresh-goodies-with-pr1-1-update-nfc-and-swype-i/ | 06:03 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | special, weird | 06:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i never got the update | 06:10 |
| special | according to that, it's a staggered deployment | 06:13 |
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| jonni | Sazpaimon_: N9 PR1.1 the update is 1st deployed to Europe PR 001 (started yesterday), Europe2 PR 009 should start later today, and other regions & variants are starting in days to come... | 07:36 |
| jonni | so depending on your region or variant you might need to wait a few days before it hits you. | 07:39 |
| Kypeli | Will the N950 also be updated this time? | 07:48 |
| qronic | https://qa*****:*****2UGuP@downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/apps/./libgmp3c2_2%3a4.3.2+dfsg-1+maemo5+0m6_armel.deb The requested URL returned error: 404 | 07:49 |
| qronic | where I can get so gcc installs? | 07:49 |
| hiemanshu | Kypeli: the N950 is on PR1.1 for some time now | 07:58 |
| Kypeli | Yes, I know. But that doesn't mean there couldn't be updates to that release too | 07:58 |
| hiemanshu | if there in an update, we'll get it | 07:58 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, interesting, the shutdown button now reboots | 08:42 |
| Corsac | hmhm, no, just one time | 08:43 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, and do people have small red light in the front camera too? | 08:49 |
| qronic | yes | 08:51 |
| Corsac | ok | 08:52 |
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| Corsac | what would be a good place to add various information about N9/Harmattan? Forum is a bit too messy, so a wiki page would be nice, but I ponder meego.com or maemo.org | 08:55 |
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| Arkenoi | my tracker-store is definitely crazy. i wonder if there is a way to fix it without backup, reflash and restore | 09:14 |
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| Chaz6 | I have two numbers for a contact, how do I know which number their text message came from? | 09:34 |
| Chaz6 | It would be nice to be able to archive old numbers in a contact so I still have them for my text message archive | 09:37 |
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| mece | aloha Harmattanites | 10:08 |
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| Frye | bah, gof started crashing periodically. =) | 10:35 |
| Frye | Otherwise I like the pr1.1 ;-) | 10:36 |
| Frye | Shame I don't have enough time to play around with qml stuff atm. | 10:36 |
| mece | Frye, I made a "utility" for simple on device qml coding. Binary that runs ~/qml/main.qml open gl accelerated. You can modify the qml files on device using, for example, khteditor. | 10:39 |
| mece | Frye, wait ok perhaps not as much fun without the keyboard.. | 10:40 |
| Frye | hehe | 10:40 |
| mece | Anyway, it's convenient when you have a lot of kids like me, and don't have time to sit at the computer. I can code on the can etc :) | 10:40 |
| mece | anyway, if you (or anybody) wants it, here's a deb blob: https://gitorious.org/runqml/runqml/blobs/master/runqml_0.0.3_armel.deb | 10:42 |
| tomma | or you can mount home using sshfs and modify those files with creator | 10:42 |
| mece | tomma, yeah, that is actually a really good idea. Much faster testing stuff that way. | 10:43 |
| mece | tomma, I'm pretty happy with just using the desktop qmlviewer tho. Unless I'm doing something with qtquick components. | 10:43 |
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| Arkenoi | any ideas how to diagnose tracker-store problem? | 10:45 |
| Frye | mece sounds interesting | 10:46 |
| Frye | I may need to get myself a bt keyboard... | 10:46 |
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| mece | Frye, btw if you want to install deb blobs directly from gitorious you need to add application/debian-package=installui.desktop to /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache | 10:49 |
| mece | Frye, for some reason it gives that mimetype, and installui only supports application/x-debian-package by default. You should also add application/debian-package to MineType= in /usr/share/applications/installui.desktop for things to work properly. | 10:51 |
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| artemma-n9 | test message from mobile | 11:00 |
| hiemanshu | artemma-n9: what app? | 11:02 |
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| * artemma on the call | 11:03 | |
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| Arkenoi | incredible | 11:08 |
| Arkenoi | seems that tracker-store bug is somehow related to MfE | 11:09 |
| Arkenoi | how could it be possible? | 11:09 |
| Arkenoi | but tracker goes nuts exactly after mfe sync | 11:09 |
| Arkenoi | and mfe sync won't finish if i won't shoot the tracker process | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | tracker indexes email and sacrifices small furry animas | 11:09 |
| ab | Arkenoi, mfe syncs up its metadata into tracker | 11:09 |
| Arkenoi | ab: and appears that it does not like it.. i wonder if i can do anything with it.. | 11:10 |
| ab | Arkenoi, you can use proper channel to communicate with mfe developers on tmo | 11:10 |
| ab | Arkenoi, they are responsive. Or you can go to gimpnet and talk to tracker developers, they are responsive as well. | 11:11 |
| Arkenoi | ab: i wonder if there is something i can do right now to fix it | 11:19 |
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| artemma | hiemanshu: IRC cient for N9 is called communi | 11:22 |
| hiemanshu | artemma: with proper themeing? | 11:22 |
| artemma | pretty cool, especially for a first version | 11:22 |
| artemma | theming? | 11:22 |
| * artemma never cared about theming | 11:22 | |
| artemma | looks nice to me, that I did notice :) | 11:23 |
| hiemanshu | artemma: as in not the ugly qt look correct? got a link? | 11:23 |
| artemma | hiemanshu: it's not official (yet), but I've heard a beta link could be found around https://twitter.com/#!/jpnurmi ;) | 11:24 |
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| hiemanshu | interesting | 11:26 |
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| MohammadAG | oh cool | 11:30 |
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| augustl | "apt-get update" errors with a 404 for https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/009/Packages.gz, hmm | 11:40 |
| augustl | ..on a N9, that's probably relevant ;) | 11:41 |
| augustl | anyone know why, and if there's a fix? | 11:41 |
| decibyte | augustl: not that it helps you, but i think it's a 403, not 404 | 11:43 |
| decibyte | it's probably about permissions on the file on the server | 11:43 |
| augustl | nope, the error message from apt-get update is 404 | 11:43 |
| decibyte | well, open it in your browser and you'll get a 403 | 11:44 |
| augustl | yes | 11:44 |
| augustl | W: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/009/./Packages.gz The requested URL returned error: 404 | 11:44 |
| augustl | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG | decibyte, that's cause apt uses auth | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG | so it's a 404, not a 403 | 11:45 |
| decibyte | ahh, i see | 11:45 |
| augustl | indeed, apt-get probably doesn't perform an identical request to what our browsers do | 11:45 |
| decibyte | MohammadAG: why is it protected behind auth? | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG | so you don't browse it with your browser :P | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG | it's been like that since Maemo 5 afaik | 11:45 |
| decibyte | but why? | 11:46 |
| decibyte | just curious... | 11:46 |
| augustl | aww, apt-det dist-upgrade doesn't do anything :) | 11:47 |
| augustl | hoping to force start the OTA upgrade ;) | 11:47 |
| sandst1 | augustl: you don't want to do that :) | 11:47 |
| augustl | but, but, but | 11:47 |
| Kaadlajk | dist-upgrade or upgrade will break your device | 11:48 |
| augustl | neat.. | 11:48 |
| MohammadAG | Kaadlajk, upgrade works fine | 11:48 |
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| augustl | dist-upgrade didn't break my device either ;) | 11:50 |
| augustl | a whole lot of nothing happened | 11:50 |
| vdv | hi all | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | augustl: Where does your device come from? | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | augustl: Which region is that? | 11:52 |
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| augustl | X-Fade: norway | 11:52 |
| augustl | X-Fade: I have a feeling I have a sort of unique-ish device though. I got mine from a Nokia Concept Store, unlocked. They only got a few phones, and they got them "directly from the factories", whatever that might actually mean | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | augustl: Ok, you will probably see that warning go away soonish. | 11:52 |
| augustl | anyways, I compared the version number for my device with the "official" N9 edition and it's different | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | augustl: Yeah, I don't think they are sold officially yet :) | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | augustl: And that might be the reason. | 11:53 |
| decibyte | i suspect it to be kinda random who gets the update when. a friend and i has bought form the same operator. i got the update yesterday. he still hasn't. | 11:54 |
| vdv | i'm a bit confused, didn't nokia cancel meego support? harmattan is a meego 1.2 from nokia, right? what's the difference between meego comunity edition and harmattan? | 11:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | vdv: Harmattan is very much Maemo | 11:55 |
| qronic | <decibyte>: on nokia site there's a message that europe1 N9's got the update, and europe2 N9's wil get it today/tomorrow | 11:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | vdv: when MeeGo was announced, Harmattan was already in the advanced stages of development | 11:56 |
| decibyte | qronic: e1 and e2? what's the difference? | 11:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | vdv: rather than re-tool the entire stack from the bottom up to conform to the agreed upon MeeGo Core, they left their existing core, and put MeeGo libraries on top or applications. | 11:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | vdv: so while they can run the same applications, they are very different underneath. | 11:57 |
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| qronic | decibyte: I don't know | 11:57 |
| vdv | TSCHAKeee, so, harmattan is successor of fremantle? | 11:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | vdv: correct. | 11:58 |
| vdv | and do nokia support it now? | 11:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | vdv: Nokia has agreed to support it for the next three years. | 11:58 |
| decibyte | qronic: well... i find it that n9's from the same operator in the same country doesn't get the update at the same time. but i don't care. i got it :) | 11:59 |
| vdv | but they don't want harmattan or meego in the future? | 11:59 |
| qronic | :) | 11:59 |
| decibyte | *i find it to be odd that... | 11:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | vdv: Nokia has, for now, stated that they will be supporting Windows Phone on their high end models for future endeavours. Maemo has basically been kicked back downstairs into R&D/skunkworks. The next iteration (Meltemi) is being refocused against smaller devices to replace Series 40. | 12:01 |
| vdv | TSCHAKeee, and meego is declined too? | 12:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | MeeGo is now purely a community effort, which has basically become Mer 2.0 | 12:02 |
| vdv | and pure meego was never shipped with any nokia device officially? | 12:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | no, man.. you could figure this out if you spent any time looking around. | 12:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | i swear, the public have memories like goldfish. | 12:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh. | 12:03 |
| vdv | TSCHAKeee, ok, thanks a lot | 12:04 |
| vdv | was just confused with all that stuff | 12:04 |
| vdv | but upgrading fremantle to harmattan on my n900 doesn't make sense, right? | 12:05 |
| decibyte | vdv, it _is_ quite a mess, i think. no wonder some gets confused. | 12:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | vdv: you can't. | 12:05 |
| vdv | isn't it for armel devices? | 12:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh. | 12:06 |
| * TSCHAKeee resists the urge to thwap vdv on the back of the head | 12:06 | |
| vdv | no port to n900? | 12:06 |
| decibyte | haha :) | 12:06 |
| vdv | )) | 12:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | PROPRIETARY, BRO... | 12:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | you can't get the source code to all of Harmattan | 12:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | you couldn't build your own | 12:06 |
| vdv | i hate nokia :) | 12:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | why is it so fucking hard | 12:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | for people to understan | 12:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | that MeeGo was basically a vendor building block? | 12:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | vendors take it, modify it for their devices, release their devices | 12:07 |
| deram | afaik, harmattan is called meego just because it fits the early products window that has lower compliance requirements, and there was agreement that this year one device must be made availlable. | 12:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | correct. | 12:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | (as in, also correct) | 12:08 |
| vdv | meego comunity version is hopeless :( | 12:09 |
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| TSCHAKeee | people just don't understand | 12:09 |
| vdv | so have to live with maemo5 | 12:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | community development is evolutonary | 12:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | there is no guiding hand | 12:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | and people come, people go | 12:10 |
| vdv | right | 12:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | so large things that are spread across more people | 12:10 |
| Hei_Ku | hello there. | 12:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | take longer to build. | 12:10 |
| * TSCHAKeee is tired of explaining this shit over and over | 12:10 | |
| vdv | :) | 12:10 |
| Hei_Ku | I have a cmake project that I want to port to harmattan. What is the recommended way to go? Scratchbox, QtSDK? | 12:11 |
| vdv | Hei_Ku, QtSDK is simpler | 12:11 |
| vdv | at least for me | 12:11 |
| decibyte | TSCHAKeee: blog about it to have somewhere to point to :) | 12:11 |
| Hei_Ku | I opened the cmake project in QtCreator, but I don't see a Harmattan target as I see with a qmake project | 12:12 |
| Hei_Ku | How can I tell it to build for Harmattan? | 12:12 |
| vdv | ah, that's cmake... | 12:13 |
| Hei_Ku | right | 12:13 |
| Sput | Hei_Ku: Madde "just works" with cmake | 12:13 |
| Sput | though I'm not sure how well that can be integrated in Creator | 12:13 |
| vdv | i would just create pro files | 12:14 |
| Hei_Ku | Sput: ok, I'll try that | 12:14 |
| vdv | and switch to qmake | 12:14 |
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| Hei_Ku | vdv: it's not much an option when you have a big project working on other platforms | 12:14 |
| Sput | Hei_Ku: I tried building Quassel (the desktop version) for the N950 just for fun, and it was pretty easy with madde, no build system fiddlery required | 12:14 |
| Sput | vdv: qmake is also not an option for any project that is slightly larger than hello world :P | 12:15 |
| Hei_Ku | Sput: I'm trying to build KMyMoney, so I hope it's not that hard to at least get going with the build | 12:15 |
| Hei_Ku | my thoughts exactly about qmake :P | 12:15 |
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| vdv | maybe :) | 12:16 |
| Sput | Hei_Ku: yeah, been a while that I worked with the Madde stuff, but afair it was really just running "madde cmake" instead of just "cmake" | 12:16 |
| Sput | or something along those lines. | 12:16 |
| Sput | using the toolchain and sysroot the QtSDK installed, of course | 12:16 |
| Corsac | can someone on N9/PR1.1 do a uname -a? | 12:18 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Sput: howso? I'm building VERY large projects with qmake and QtSDK | 12:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | Sput: perhaps it's a discretionary choice? | 12:19 |
| Sput | TSCHAKeee: well, as long as you don't have external dependencies... | 12:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | also, good god | 12:20 |
| Hei_Ku | I've had problems with it when you have complicated dependencies | 12:20 |
| Sput | things like "finding a library" are nigh impossible with qmake | 12:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes, it's harder with external deps | 12:20 |
| Sput | especially in a crossplatform way. | 12:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | but we've made it work. | 12:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | but anyway, | 12:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | WHY | 12:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | _WHY_ | 12:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | would you just blindly port something like kmymoney | 12:21 |
| Sput | I do love the QtSDK and working with it day in day out, but I really wish they'd support cmake more properly | 12:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | instead of, you know, actually making something that conforms nicely to the phone? | 12:21 |
| Hei_Ku | TSCHAKeee: who says I'm going to do it blindly | 12:21 |
| Hei_Ku | for once, I cannot port the interface | 12:21 |
| deram | Corsac: Linux RM696 2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 #1 PREEMPT Tue Oct 25 14:39:04 EEST 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux | 12:21 |
| Hei_Ku | so I won't be able to do it blindly anyway | 12:21 |
| Hei_Ku | but the backend engine is a good one, so I can use it to provide a limited KMM interface on the phone. to register stuff on the go | 12:22 |
| Corsac | deram: hmhm ok, thanks | 12:23 |
| Corsac | hmhm, even weirder, kernel-modules has correctly been upgraded but fortunately the previous modules weren't removed | 12:25 |
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| qronic | hmm, why fopen("/sys/kernel/security/validator/enabled", "r" ) gets a SIGSEGV? aegis again? | 12:33 |
| Corsac | btw, does anyone know how to check what kernel is in flash? | 12:37 |
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| mece | hmpf. youtube html5 version doesn't seem to work properly in grob. The page said it supported everything it threw at it, and it looks good, everything works except for the actual video. | 12:56 |
| jonni | Corsac: uname -r | 12:57 |
| mece | oo youtube html5 works in firefox on N950 ::):):) | 12:57 |
| mece | seems it drops about 99% of the frames tho. sound is good. | 12:58 |
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| mece | I think the problem is that no h.264 support in firefox. | 13:01 |
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| Venemo | hm, new Qt SDK update is messed up | 13:16 |
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| Corsac | jonni: not like that | 13:27 |
| Corsac | I'd like to check the content of the flash (maybe not the right term though, but where the kernel image is stored) | 13:28 |
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| gri | Venemo: what is messed up? | 13:31 |
| jonni | Corsac: ah content of onenand device, I dont think that we have public api for that | 13:32 |
| Venemo | gri, well they say that now there's only one Harmattan target instead of two. but actually there is a "Harmattan Platform API" in the Experimental section and a "Harmattan Target" in the development tools section. | 13:33 |
| gri | Venemo: I think you can ignore the experimental thing as they said on labs.trolltech.com | 13:33 |
| Venemo | gri, I ignored it but why don't they remove it from there then? | 13:34 |
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| gri | Venemo: No idea, maybe there's no way to rename a package in their packaging system? So they would have to provide an empty "experimental harmattan api" to actually remove it? Only a pointless guess, of course | 13:35 |
| Corsac | jonni: ok | 13:35 |
| Corsac | jonni: any idea how to check why the (new) kernel is not correctly flashed to onenand? | 13:35 |
| jonni | Corsac: but if I remember right its /dev/mtd3, but you have to figure out yourself how to mount it :) | 13:35 |
| Venemo | gri, if that's true, then they'll need to fire the guy who's responsible for that crap. | 13:35 |
| faenil | morning people :) | 13:36 |
| Venemo | hey faenil :) | 13:36 |
| gri | Venemo: Well, I just removed the complete sdk and installed it to make sure it works :) | 13:36 |
| Venemo | gri, I'm doing the same | 13:36 |
| gri | faenil: morning? I'm finished with university today :) | 13:36 |
| Venemo | gri, where do you live? | 13:36 |
| faenil | gri: I've already been to uni | 13:36 |
| gri | Venemo: Germany | 13:36 |
| Venemo | gri, well, you're in the same time zone as me, it seems | 13:37 |
| faenil | 9-11, other lectures at 14-16 | 13:37 |
| faenil | sorry 16-18 | 13:37 |
| faenil | not that I just woke up :D | 13:37 |
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| gri | 8-11:20 was my schedule today :) | 13:37 |
| faenil | lucky :) | 13:37 |
| faenil | I had 8 hours today | 13:37 |
| faenil | but luckily enough, I'll skip 4 because of burocratic reasons :D | 13:38 |
| Venemo | muhaha, I have only one lesson at uni today, 16:15-17:45 | 13:39 |
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| faenil | lucky people :P | 13:40 |
| MohammadAG | I skipped two lessons today | 13:40 |
| MohammadAG | was two tired | 13:40 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, you're the best :) | 13:40 |
| faenil | xD | 13:40 |
| MohammadAG | too* | 13:40 |
| MohammadAG | see? :P | 13:40 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, the flashing is supposed to be done at next reboot | 13:41 |
| faenil | haahah | 13:41 |
| Arkenoi | how can i reset tracker database? | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | tracker-processes -r | 13:41 |
| faenil | still, I have no pr1.1 update yet :P | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke t-online | 13:41 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at t-online ... Bâ¢â¢M! | 13:41 | |
| faenil | gri: got yours? | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | that deletes contacts on the N950 | 13:41 |
| gri | faenil: No | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | faenil, oh stfu | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | JUST STFU | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | bastards messing with my DSL | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | at least you have a device | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 13:41 |
| gri | MohammadAG: Yours is still lost? | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't eat that friggin device | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | gri, something like that | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | DSL outage kills my next job before I even got it | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | what? | 13:43 |
| gri | MohammadAG: So you got any information why they delay it? | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 13:43 |
| faenil | MohammadAG, still couldn't get ur n950 back? | 13:44 |
| gri | MohammadAG: Nokia also doesn't get any information since they sent it? | 13:44 |
| nid0 | n950 fan in customs deciding they wanted it, probably | 13:44 |
| faenil | omg...can't believe that MohammadAG | 13:44 |
| * gri will only enter isreal with an old phone from now :) | 13:45 | |
| MohammadAG | gri, nope | 13:46 |
| gri | So there's nothing you can do?! Wtf? | 13:46 |
| Arkenoi | MohammadAG, where is tracker-processes binary? | 13:48 |
| Corsac | please messageserver/fenix, show me my mail instead of using my cpu! | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | gri, pretty much | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | spent two weeks on the phone, didn't get far from where I was, so yeah | 13:48 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, did it take them so long last time? | 13:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: toldya you got no contract with DHL or not even Nokia, so *you* basically can't legally claim rights on that device. Nokia/DHL can OTOH | 13:52 |
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| faenil | MohammadAG: why don't you go there and get it by yourself? is it far? | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | technically ATM it's still DHL who are responsible for the parcel | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil: because he can either get arrested or shot, but not claim that package from customs | 13:54 |
| faenil | lol Doc | 13:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | he's not kidding. | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | not so much :-/ | 13:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | so not kidding. | 13:55 |
| faenil | :O | 13:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | was the device flagged as a security risk? | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | who knows | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it was, you know you are as well if you dare to ask | 13:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | Israel is funny like that... anything they don't even remotely recognize disappears. | 13:56 |
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| hiemanshu | India is funny like that... anything they remotely want for themselves, disappears :P | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hope they recognize MohammadAG ;-D | 13:57 |
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| * DocScrutinizer is just amazed it obviously took mossad from "Wednesday, October 12, 2011" til "Thursday, October 27, 2011" to do some proper RE of the N950 HW | 14:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | bastards shall at least publish the schematics :-P | 14:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | well there is one thing to say about israeli security, they have some damned thorough engineers... | 14:02 |
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| gri | israel passport control questioned my brother for 3 hours the last time and he was not even disassembled :D | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, jewish holidays | 14:06 |
| * merlin1991 wonders why his n9 won't get pr 1.1 | 14:06 | |
| gri | merlin1991: same here, like the blog says "wait a few days" | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: AAH | 14:07 |
| faenil | same here merlin1991 | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | gri: LOL | 14:07 |
| merlin1991 | gri: where's the blog? | 14:08 |
| merlin1991 | also I'm hoping for a flasher image this time :D | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll happily wait a few weeks until they finally publish some official 1.1 image to unbrick | 14:08 |
| gri | merlin1991: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2011/11/08/n9-over-the-air-software-update-rollout-started | 14:08 |
| Corsac | especially since 1.1 doesn't seem that stable | 14:08 |
| faenil | Doc: wise choice | 14:09 |
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| faenil | unistalling qtsdk, downloading new installer | 14:10 |
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| faenil | qtsdk can't even uninstall itself...errors, can't find uninstalling .bat file... | 14:11 |
| faenil | WTF... | 14:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer nukes FSCKNG sso.devel.nokia.com | 14:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | without all standard cookie policies you never log in twice there | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | on other bacges they send cookies expiring 1969-10-30 14:00 (!), probably here they send a session-expired cookie that never ever expires | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/bacges/pages/ | 14:14 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: on other pages they send cookies expiring 1969-10-30 14:00 (!), probably here they send a session-expired cookie that never ever expires | 14:14 |
| Corsac | so nice | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | or Nokia sso knew I'd have left a bitter comment there on that site http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2011/11/08/n9-over-the-air-software-update-rollout-started - about "nice way to brick your device" "thank you Nokia for not shipping an image to reflash!!" | 14:16 |
| Venemo | xD | 14:17 |
| Venemo | faenil, just ignore that crap | 14:17 |
| faenil | did... | 14:17 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, it seems that fenix doesn't care about message limit in PR1.1 | 14:27 |
| Corsac | because it shows indexing on very old messages, it seems | 14:27 |
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| Arkenoi | hmm | 14:54 |
| Arkenoi | tracker-control reports process as idle | 14:54 |
| Arkenoi | while it eats all cpu | 14:54 |
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| Arkenoi | seems that i cannot import vcf with multiple contact cards? | 15:18 |
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| Arkenoi | "excellent" side-effect of reseting tracker database: killing all my contacts and messages | 15:32 |
| gri | well, they are stored in tracker :) | 15:34 |
| Arkenoi | :-) | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | send a patch | 15:37 |
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| djszapi | Corsac: SDK mode is needed for windows connection | 15:39 |
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| djszapi | s&c and sdk mode work on linux, also on mac with some configuration. | 15:40 |
| djszapi | not too consistent naming and management of this, but that is the reason. | 15:41 |
| * RST38h moos | 15:41 | |
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| Corsac | djszapi: oh, thanks | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | OTA update of N9 seems to have worked fine | 15:47 |
| flux | worked fine for me as well, although I made the precautionary measure of rebooting the device before the update :) | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | messageserver eating 100% CPU again | 15:50 |
| mgedmin | seriously, what's with that? | 15:50 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: same here | 15:51 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: it seems that it tries to index *all* mails on my inbox | 15:51 |
| Corsac | and not only the last 500 | 15:51 |
| Corsac | trying to set the message limit to 100 leads to not receiving new mail or something like that | 15:51 |
| Corsac | (still investigating, not sure) | 15:51 |
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| mgedmin | is there a bug I could metoo, or something? | 15:52 |
| Corsac | well, I didnt yet report anything, considering they are not read | 15:52 |
| Corsac | but if I'm not the only one, I'll make a report (or confirm one) so people are aware they're not alone | 15:53 |
| * mgedmin reboots and watches top like an eagle | 15:55 | |
| mgedmin | loadavg: 3.93 \o/ | 15:55 |
| frals | the tmo thread got logging instructions | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | fun to see all those -prestart processes coming up one by one | 15:55 |
| frals | if you attach a log with relevant information about this i can poke the appropriate person | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | no messageserver so far | 15:55 |
| frals | since i can see his room from here ;( | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | clearly what we need is a portal gun | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | ah, there's messageserver | 15:57 |
| mgedmin | dividing up the cpu with smartsearch, both niced | 15:57 |
| * mgedmin goes to googe for the vaguely-described TMO thread | 15:57 | |
| decibyte | mgedmin: please link when you find it :) | 15:58 |
| mgedmin | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79675 | 15:58 |
| mgedmin | oh fun, I open Accounts, I tap any one of them, nothing happens... | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | all the menus appear to be broken?! | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | settings -> device -> battery ... battery ... battery I said ... nothing :( | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | it worked before I rebooted | 16:02 |
| jabis | I'm really frustrated with the camera issue :/ | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | ah, the update destroyed my ~/.profile, nice. | 16:03 |
| jabis | about the only thing besides devving I use is teh damn camera and nao is bork'd ;< | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | is it just me, or did terminal suddenly start autocapitalizing in PR 1.1? | 16:05 |
| jabis | autocorrect on swype and it autocapitalizes for me - also swype ain't good for them terminal commands x) | 16:05 |
| jabis | swiping from side to side doesn't seem to work well when using swype as input - it almost everytime just blabbers out a word instead of changing the vkb | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | killall -9 messageserver -> all the accounts/settings pages now show up | 16:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | how do you enable swype? | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | how on earth were they blocked on messageserver? | 16:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | (and is it on the N950?) | 16:07 |
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| jabis | TSCHA, I'm using N9, no idea whether swype packages are avail for 950 | 16:09 |
| * mgedmin turns off email checking schedule for both accounts, and also turns off google calendar sync for good measure | 16:09 | |
| jabis | TSCHAKeee: Settings -> Time and Language -> Text Input (should have Swype & it's options in there, if you have the packages) | 16:11 |
| javispedro | helo gentlemen. | 16:11 |
| mgedmin | apparently it was the wrong TMO thread, since there was nothing about enabling logging in the one I found | 16:11 |
| jabis | mgedmin: also check the Settings -> Time...-> Text Input -> Auto-capitalization | 16:12 |
| jabis | javispedro: sup almost-same-named-guru :) | 16:12 |
| javispedro | :P | 16:13 |
| mgedmin | jabis, no such thing | 16:14 |
| mgedmin | active input method, installed input methods, swype, error correction, insert with space key -- those are all the options there are | 16:14 |
| mgedmin | you know, if they removed that option, it could explain things | 16:15 |
| jabis | javispedro: also, what do you reckon, about the kernel not flashing properly with niner, uname -r showing 2.6.32.39-dfl161-20112910 still after the update | 16:15 |
| javispedro | well, I'm sure Nokia will like such reports.. | 16:15 |
| mgedmin | jabis, I see 2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 here | 16:17 |
| mgedmin | but I also unplugged the charger and power-kicked mine twice | 16:17 |
| jabis | everything (except the camera) seems updated but then again - camera fail = the same error as with 950 | 16:17 |
| javispedro | what's wrong with the n950? | 16:18 |
| * javispedro never OTAs either way, so not that I'm ever going to experience that | 16:19 | |
| faenil | javispedro: after using N9 and n950...I can say n9 is superior... | 16:19 |
| javispedro | oh, I was not thinking _that_ question... | 16:19 |
| faenil | :D | 16:19 |
| jabis | javis, I meant that I get the same error as with N950 in the bugtracker | 16:19 |
| mgedmin | looks like messageserver is no longer bugging me, yay | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | So they opened up the package and found an N950, a cable and a quick start guide | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | it's also a Nokia | 16:20 |
| javispedro | faenil: plus, you can remove my hw kb from my cold dead tired fingers | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | gotta love israeli security | 16:21 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: and a weapon of mass destruction | 16:21 |
| jabis | can one forcily update the PR1.1 again as apt thinks there's nothing to update/upgrade to - tho kernel has wrong version ;/ | 16:22 |
| * mgedmin checks for app updates -- size of required additional download: 666,6 MB | 16:22 | |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, they found Mohammad on the box, so that's there | 16:22 |
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| javispedro | ouch, forgot the ? ;P | 16:22 |
| jabis | if Mohammad will not come to the mountain, mountain will giddyup to Mohammad | 16:22 |
| jabis | so watch your six'o'clock Mohammad ;D | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: so is there progress on the n950 front? | 16:22 |
| faenil | javispedro: :P | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | yes, only after Nokia emailed them though | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Insane. | 16:23 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: thank the gods Nokia emailed, because in who-can-move-slowest competition.... I wouldn't know where to place my bets! | 16:24 |
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| Corsac | javispedro: what does dpkg -l mp-harmattan-001-pr returns? | 16:27 |
| Corsac | rah | 16:27 |
| Corsac | javispedro: not you, jabis | 16:27 |
| Corsac | jabis: -^ | 16:27 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, the guy who sent me the device was out on holiday | 16:28 |
| mgedmin | obvious in retrospect: you can't deploy an app with Qt Creator while you're installing software updates in the background | 16:31 |
| jabis | Corsac: mp-harmattan-0 20.2011.40-4, but only after apt-get --reinstall install of it | 16:31 |
| mgedmin | ##@$^ aegis and its "every binary must be in a deb" requirement #$@%@! | 16:32 |
| jabis | Corsac: at first boot my locales were fried and the dialer-pads threw up all over the place with qtn_comm_label-stuff | 16:33 |
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| javispedro | mgedmin: Venemo found that seemingly you can run arbitrary binarys as the "developer" user if I understood it correctly | 16:33 |
| jabis | (and as nothing else worked, neither did ScreenShot) would've made a nice bug report attachment | 16:33 |
| javispedro | *binaries | 16:33 |
| Venemo | javispedro, yes, in developer mode, since 39-5 | 16:33 |
| mgedmin | hmm, lemmetest | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I have - on my latest one, .. | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah that | 16:34 |
| faenil | it seems like only people with pr_001 got the update ( I have 009) | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | oh, cool, shell scripts now work! | 16:34 |
| Corsac | jabis: note that I do have the update but don't have the correct running kernel either | 16:34 |
| jabis | staggered/cascaded update | 16:34 |
| jabis | you'll just have to be patient faenil | 16:34 |
| faenil | yeah :( | 16:34 |
| jabis | faenil, also it'll bork your cameras, so dunno if it's worth it x) | 16:35 |
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| faenil | ?? | 16:35 |
| jabis | ( _can_ bork your camera's) | 16:35 |
| frals | it wont physically bork your camera... | 16:35 |
| jabis | yeh just aegis(?) preventing the use of some lib | 16:36 |
| jabis | doing its stuff | 16:36 |
| frals | doubt its aegis fault | 16:36 |
| frals | i guess some step in the update process just fails and its left in a weird state since the version string is not updated in About when that happens afaiu | 16:37 |
| mgedmin | correction: there's no autocapitalization in xterm | 16:37 |
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| jabis | frals: Nov 9 16:37:53 (2011) kernel: [52518.421081] Aegis: cannot measure file orcexec.6dkFi5 (process: camera-ui) | 16:38 |
| jabis | so the end result (camera not working) is most definately an aegis fault generated from improper packaging I'd suppose | 16:39 |
| Venemo | lol | 16:40 |
| mgedmin | the orcs took over! | 16:40 |
| Venemo | :D | 16:41 |
| jabis | x) | 16:41 |
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| janpod | Hi all. I'm having problems serious problems with camera after PR1.1 update. Any help available? | 16:44 |
| jabis | no resolution as of yet, janpod, welcome to the club | 16:45 |
| jabis | I was just discussing this x) | 16:45 |
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| janpod | jabis: Thanks. This sucks really bad. Bad software rollout I suppose. | 16:47 |
| alterego | What problem with the camera? | 16:47 |
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| jabis | alterego: N9 PR1.1 borks camera on many occasions | 16:47 |
| alterego | How? | 16:47 |
| jabis | alterego: same problem as with N950 in the bug tracker | 16:47 |
| alterego | It's working fine for me .. | 16:47 |
| janpod | Camera UI doesn't start... it says (notiifcation) The camera is not responding. Try again or restart the device if the problem continues. | 16:48 |
| jabis | Nov 9 16:37:53 (2011) kernel: [52518.421081] Aegis: cannot measure file orcexec.6dkFi5 (process: camera-ui) | 16:48 |
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| * decibyte was just about to say the same as alterego | 16:48 | |
| jabis | alterego: decibyte ^ | 16:48 |
| alterego | So it's not too reproducable then. | 16:49 |
| Corsac | well, it seems that a lot of people indeed reproduced it :) | 16:49 |
| alterego | I count two so far :P | 16:49 |
| janpod | Nov 9 15:06:26 (2011) camera[1819]: Setting camera pipeline to running state failed. | 16:49 |
| jabis | have you looked at them maemo/meego-boards lately - and the bugtracker | 16:49 |
| jabis | Nov 9 16:37:42 (2011) camera[2362]: Camera pipeline error: "Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem. Please file a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GStreamer." , "camerabingeneral.c(61): gst_camerabin_add_element (): /GstCameraBin:QCameraCameraBin: linking capsfilter3 failed" , 7 | 16:49 |
| jabis | Nov 9 16:37:43 (2011) applifed[966]: Application 'com.nokia.maemo.CameraService' released from prestarted state, count=1 | 16:49 |
| alterego | And not reproducable if they can't do it every time :P | 16:49 |
| jabis | I can do it every time - not a single camera application works | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | jabis, camera works for me, and I also see "Aegis: cannot measure file orcexec.iPbhQV (process: camera-ui)" in my dmesg (3 times) | 16:50 |
| frals | alterego: its more than two ;) | 16:50 |
| alterego | Oh well :) | 16:50 |
| Frye | camera works fine for me too | 16:50 |
| alterego | I guess I should be thankful it's not the case with mine ;) | 16:50 |
| Frye | So well that my DSLR is staying in it's bag =) | 16:50 |
| janpod | Me too. I also noticed that PhoneTorch doesn't work after update to PR1.1 | 16:50 |
| jabis | yup phonetorch is borken too | 16:51 |
| Frye | So far only issue is with gof2 crashing all the time. And with that I can live ;-) | 16:51 |
| alterego | Sounds like firmware might be screwed | 16:51 |
| alterego | Have you tried reflashing? | 16:51 |
| jabis | reflashing with what - no navifirm | 16:51 |
| jabis | release of the PR1.1 | 16:51 |
| Frye | btw how did you upgrade the devices if the camera is working, could it be something with that? | 16:51 |
| Frye | I used ota update | 16:51 |
| jabis | OTA | 16:52 |
| Frye | ok | 16:52 |
| janpod | OTA Wifi | 16:52 |
| Frye | wont explain then | 16:52 |
| Corsac | Nov 9 15:51:56 (2011) cellular: csd[655]: com.nokia.csd.simatk: simatk_report_event_notification:460 Building and sending ATK_REPORT_EVENT_NTF -message | 16:52 |
| decibyte | camera, flash, phonetorch -- all working for me | 16:52 |
| Corsac | that looks weird too | 16:52 |
| Corsac | I have a lot of them :/ | 16:52 |
| jabis | OTA WiFi, it borked a lot of stuff in first boot, like locales and dialer ui | 16:52 |
| janpod | yes but how do we repeat update. Regular linux disto allows for easy update | 16:53 |
| jabis | (since there is no image for the 40-4 firmware I'm stuck - as you can't flash a prior image) | 16:53 |
| mgedmin | "applifed[1011]: Amount of free memory dropped below threshold, re-prestart disabled" -> applifed keeps spamming this to syslog every second | 16:54 |
| janpod | well that's just nice :( | 16:54 |
| jabis | and apt-get --reinstall (all of the packages regarding harmattan-pr, nokia components and so on) didn't do jackshit | 16:54 |
| Corsac | jabis: did you actually try to downflash? | 16:54 |
| jabis | Corsac: with one phone yes - and it resulted in bootloop | 16:55 |
| jabis | (it wasn't my own - as I was against even trying) | 16:55 |
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| jabis | I guess I could do it as my kernel version is the same as prior update, tho I believe it would be even messier | 16:56 |
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| janpod | tha's what I faoud as well Kernel version stays the same only PR1.1 on product page updates | 16:57 |
| jabis | so at least I suspect the kernel wasn't properly flashed -> modules somewhat incompatible | 16:57 |
| jabis | and yes - I did as with 950 and reset the phone BEFORE OTA'ing | 16:58 |
| jabis | so a mint out of stock N9 got phucked by the PR1.1 ;) | 16:59 |
| Corsac | janpod: product page? | 16:59 |
| jabis | Corsac, settings -> about product | 16:59 |
| Corsac | yeah ok | 17:00 |
| janpod | product page says PR1.1 (10.2011.34-1_PR_001) it shold be 20.2011.40 something. | 17:00 |
| Corsac | yeah but it's unrelated to the kernel, imho | 17:00 |
| jabis | Version 1.1 ( 10.2011.34-1_PR_001 ) | 17:00 |
| janpod | Yes | 17:00 |
| Corsac | but I'd be interested by dpkg -l kernel and uname -a | 17:00 |
| jabis | kernel 2.6.32-20113701.10+0m6 | 17:01 |
| janpod | uname -a: Linux RM696 2.6.32.39-dfl61-20112910 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 19 21:10:50 EEST 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux | 17:01 |
| faenil | can you add Harmattan target in Experimental submenu in QtSdk? | 17:01 |
| jabis | Linux RM696 2.6.32.39-dfl61-20112910 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 19 21:10:50 EEST 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux | 17:01 |
| faenil | I can't, it says there's a missing dependency (QEmu) ....but QEmu is already installed | 17:01 |
| Corsac | jabis, janpod: thanks, could you add that information to http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=34719 ? | 17:02 |
| jabis | sure | 17:02 |
| janpod | dpkg -l kernel: kernel 2.6.32-2011370 Flashable Linux kernel | 17:02 |
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| jabis | posted | 17:07 |
| jabis | Corsac, in addition to that - the gconfd2 hooks failed to fire for me, so I had to reinstall the harmattan-pr package before the UI got usable :) | 17:08 |
| decibyte | mine says something newer than janpod and jabis | 17:08 |
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| jabis | yes - the kernel version | 17:09 |
| jabis | (in use kernel version) that is | 17:09 |
| jabis | I see the packages are there but the flashing somehow didn't take place/went fuxors | 17:09 |
| Corsac | yeah, but some people have the correct running kernels too | 17:10 |
| jabis | (this why I usually wait for images instead of OTA but I wanted swype & audio controls so bad -.- ) | 17:10 |
| jabis | *wonders whether apt-get install--reinstall kernel would trigger the fiasco again* | 17:12 |
| mgedmin | I wish the pdf reader remembered which page I had open last time | 17:13 |
| faenil | mmm I start my app from pc (deploy it on the n9) | 17:13 |
| faenil | when it rusn | 17:13 |
| faenil | runs | 17:13 |
| faenil | nothing happens on the n9 | 17:13 |
| faenil | but on the console it's stuck at Found v1.4 driver, enabling brokenTexSubImage | 17:13 |
| mgedmin | faenil, any qml errors on the console? | 17:14 |
| faenil | any idea of what's wrong? | 17:14 |
| faenil | nope | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | although that usually shows up as a blank black screen on the n9 | 17:14 |
| faenil | Using the meego graphics system Found SGX/MBX driver, enabling FullClearOnEveryFrame Found v1.4 driver, enabling brokenTexSubImage | 17:14 |
| faenil | this is all | 17:14 |
| faenil | nothing shows | 17:14 |
| Corsac | jabis: I manually tried that, it didn't work | 17:14 |
| Corsac | jabis: the fiasco stuff is in kernel-flasher package, but it just schedules the flash for the next reboot | 17:15 |
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| faenil | trying removing and adding harmattan target back | 17:16 |
| Corsac | ha but that might be because getbootstate is always a “User requested reboot” | 17:17 |
| Corsac | and not a FLASH reboot | 17:17 |
| faenil | doesn't work... | 17:17 |
| faenil | I'm pissed | 17:17 |
| Corsac | note that I'm not sure what is broken by not upgrading the kernel | 17:17 |
| Corsac | (and since sources aren't available, we can't guess) | 17:18 |
| faenil | hope it's not because I don't have pr1.1. | 17:19 |
| jabis | I'm pissed because I do have SEMI-pr1.1 x) | 17:20 |
| Corsac | what do you mean? | 17:20 |
| faenil | even the icon is not shown in menu... | 17:20 |
| faenil | only green icon, no qt icon | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | I've that too! | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | the app I'm mocking up shows up in the app menu as a plain green icon, and doesn't start when clicked | 17:22 |
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| faenil | -.- | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | but when I do a deploy from the qt creator, it starts up fine | 17:23 |
| faenil | wonderful | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | ah! the desktop file is wrong | 17:24 |
| faenil | I've let it recreate...removed and added harmattan again | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | I named my project 'brogue-qml', qt creator removed the '-' in some places, but forgot to remove it from the .desktop file | 17:24 |
| faenil | it seems correct heer | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | devel-su, vi -> app menu instantly changed the icon to the right one | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | and it works now | 17:25 |
| faenil | Exec=invoker --single-instance --type=e /opt/3DCrossword/bin/3DCrossword | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | thank you for solving my problem :) | 17:25 |
| faenil | lol | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | faenil, try ls /opt --> perhaps qt creator lowercased the name? | 17:25 |
| faenil | it's correct | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | oh, duh, I'm an idiot -- of course it's correct, you saw the app start up (all those Meego graphics system messages) | 17:28 |
| faenil | yes but nothing showed on n9 | 17:28 |
| faenil | not even in multitasking view | 17:28 |
| faenil | how's that possible | 17:30 |
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| Corsac | arg, nokia bugzilla doesn't send mail when a bug I reported is updated | 17:31 |
| faenil | dammit :( | 17:32 |
| faenil | any idea people? | 17:34 |
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| jabis | Corsac: too bad there isn't the /usr/bin/flash-and-reboot as with N900 -.- | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | faenil, can you share your code somewhere? pastebin the qml files, e.g.? | 17:41 |
| faenil | it's not that.. | 17:42 |
| faenil | it always worked on n950 | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | oh, interesting | 17:42 |
| faenil | there were some 3dcrossword (DC not capital) | 17:43 |
| faenil | in control and rules files | 17:43 |
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| jabis | wonder whether fiasco-flasher -f -k image would do the trick *hmm* | 17:44 |
| faenil | I changed them to 3DCrossword, and now it says package contains illegal character D | 17:44 |
| faenil | what's wrong with the capital D? | 17:45 |
| faenil | package name can't have capital letters? | 17:46 |
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| Venemo | joppu, ping | 17:47 |
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| Corsac | jabis: read /etc/init/flash-check.conf | 18:07 |
| Corsac | jabis: but I'm reluctant to do that in a full booted harmattan | 18:07 |
| Corsac | jabis: a solution would be to force a restart in FLASH mode but I don't know how to do that | 18:07 |
| Hq` | faenil: that's true, see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Source | 18:07 |
| faenil | ok...I'm trying to convert everything...but it doesn't work...it still installs to 3DCrossword... | 18:08 |
| faenil | when can I change the installation path | 18:08 |
| faenil | I have converted the name in all project files | 18:08 |
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| jabis | Corsac: ye I came across that one too, wonder what carries the flag over the reboot -.- | 18:10 |
| faenil | '3dcrossword': incorrect package name | 18:11 |
| jabis | Corsac: cat /etc/init.d/minireboot | 18:13 |
| jabis | Corsac, so one needs to write a /tmp/.BOOT_MODE with the correct flag that's carried to /sbin/reboot -d 0 -f $mode | 18:14 |
| jabis | setting it incorrectly would prolly brick the phone x) | 18:15 |
| faenil | whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy | 18:16 |
| faenil | 3dcrossword incorrect package name...why why why!!! | 18:16 |
| faenil | this is really annoying... | 18:20 |
| decibyte | not that i know anything, but are digits allowed as the first character of the package name? | 18:20 |
| decibyte | i guess they are | 18:21 |
| faenil | so do i | 18:21 |
| decibyte | at least in ubuntu, also based on debian | 18:21 |
| toninikkanen | do you have a package named "9wm" or similar available, easy way to check if starting with a digit is allowed :) | 18:22 |
| faenil | it reports no error about name, as it did with 3DCrossword | 18:22 |
| faenil | Installing package to sysroot ... '3dcrossword': incorrect package name | 18:23 |
| faenil | This package name is used for your application in the Ovi Store. Make sure that the package name: starts with an alphanumeric character. | 18:24 |
| gri | faenil: What are you doing? Packaging is not that hard :D | 18:25 |
| faenil | exactly!!! | 18:25 |
| faenil | why the hell isn't it working! | 18:25 |
| faenil | it did with n950! | 18:26 |
| gri | well, you can also try: remove qtc_packaging and the .pro.user file | 18:26 |
| gri | and open the project again with qtcreator - it will regenerate qtc_packaging | 18:27 |
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| faenil_ | damn connection | 18:27 |
| gri | grr :D | 18:27 |
| faenil_ | gri: rewrite if you wrote anything please | 18:27 |
| gri | <gri> well, you can also try: remove qtc_packaging and the .pro.user file | 18:27 |
| gri | <gri> and open the project again with qtcreator - it will regenerate qtc_packaging | 18:27 |
| faenil_ | I get disconnected and no notice...-.- | 18:27 |
| faenil_ | I have already done that 3 times | 18:27 |
| faenil_ | even the icon is not recognized, the green icon is shown, not the qt one | 18:28 |
| gri | well, pastebin your .desktop file then please | 18:28 |
| faenil_ | not much there... | 18:28 |
| faenil_ | w8 | 18:28 |
| faenil_ | http://pastebin.com/XuYZFxwu | 18:29 |
| faenil_ | xwindow-icon is probably the issue for the icon...but why shouldn't it start | 18:30 |
| faenil_ | and report 3dcrossword: incorrect package name | 18:30 |
| faenil_ | while trying to install to sysroot | 18:30 |
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| gri | are your files correctly deployed? | 18:30 |
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| faenil_ | it says Successfully uploaded package file | 18:31 |
| faenil_ | Package created. Installing package to sysroot ... '3dcrossword': incorrect package name Preparing SFTP connection... Starting upload... Successfully uploaded package file. Installing package to device... | 18:31 |
| gri | hmm ok no idea when I can't try this here :) | 18:32 |
| gri | can you start your program with ssh? | 18:32 |
| gri | via invoker? | 18:32 |
| faenil_ | ./3dcrossword doesn't work | 18:34 |
| faenil_ | I mean | 18:34 |
| faenil_ | the console gets stuck on | 18:34 |
| faenil_ | driver 1.4 loaded | 18:34 |
| faenil_ | something like that | 18:34 |
| gri | hmm | 18:35 |
| faenil_ | I'm on win atm | 18:35 |
| gri | sometimes this is mysterious - like my application also only crashes on a certain d-bus call when it's started via invoker, without invoker it works well | 18:35 |
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| gri | btw. you should consider using --type=d again, since e is this one: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/eboost.html?tab=3&q=applauncherd&sp=all | 18:37 |
| faenil_ | ... | 18:37 |
| faenil_ | just tried, no change | 18:39 |
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| faenil_ | deleted all .o and stuff | 18:45 |
| faenil_ | still same thing | 18:45 |
| faenil_ | I hate this... | 18:45 |
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| gri | I hope you use some versioning system | 18:45 |
| gri | and have backups :) | 18:46 |
| faenil_ | it's not that...I changed nothing... | 18:48 |
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| faenil_ | the bin file which is deployed on the device is 300kb | 18:54 |
| faenil_ | the one in 3dcrossword main folder is 2.2mb | 18:54 |
| faenil_ | -.- | 18:55 |
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| tomma | faenil_, it is stripped of debug symbos | 18:55 |
| tomma | symbols* | 18:55 |
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| faenil_ | ok... | 18:56 |
| faenil_ | main thing is, why doesn't it start ... -.- | 18:57 |
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| faenil_ | I think I should try an example app on the n9 | 19:10 |
| faenil_ | this is getting weirder and weirder | 19:10 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | jonni, thanks for the heads up | 19:16 |
| Sazpaimon_ | (belated, I know) | 19:17 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I believe my N9 is of the australian variant | 19:17 |
| Sazpaimon_ | are all N9's imported from expansys australian? | 19:17 |
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| tomma | faenil_, maybe you could paste log from deploying and running application from terminal? | 19:21 |
| faenil_ | running app from terminal stops at | 19:21 |
| faenil_ | Found v1.4 driver, enabling brokenTexSubImage | 19:21 |
| faenil_ | but the application is open | 19:21 |
| faenil_ | just nothing shows in multitasking nor on screen | 19:21 |
| jabis | Corsac: ping me if you find a resolution - I'm off to get goodies & beer :) | 19:21 |
| faenil_ | it works perfectly on Desktop... | 19:22 |
| tomma | faenil_, but what does it say before that? | 19:23 |
| tomma | forexample if it cant find your qml or something | 19:23 |
| faenil_ | Using the meego graphics system Found SGX/MBX driver, enabling FullClearOnEveryFrame Found v1.4 driver, enabling brokenTexSubImage | 19:23 |
| faenil_ | that's all it says | 19:23 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | I would kill for a proper remote desktop program | 19:24 |
| tomma | hmm... are you creating declarative view? because thats what it will tell you next? | 19:24 |
| Sazpaimon_ | either vnc or RDP via rdesktop/freerdp | 19:24 |
| Sazpaimon_ | with VKB support | 19:24 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so people not in the #N950Fanclub can play | 19:25 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i already easily ported rdesktop over, but its useless on an N9 without vkb | 19:25 |
| tomma | developer-mode installs x11vnc | 19:25 |
| tomma | but didn't work well with n950 and it is some old legacy version | 19:26 |
| faenil_ | tomma: the same code works on desktop | 19:26 |
| Sazpaimon_ | x11vnc is a vnc SERVER | 19:26 |
| faenil_ | (where I test it) | 19:26 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i mean a remote desktop client | 19:26 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so i can RDP into a windows machine ala rdesktop for N900 | 19:26 |
| trx | rdesktop can be compiled for harmattan without modifications i believe | 19:26 |
| trx | but no vkb, and Ctrl+key doesn't work | 19:26 |
| Sazpaimon_ | thats what I said | 19:27 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i already have rdesktop compiled for harmattan, but its usless | 19:27 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i cant do anything | 19:27 |
| tomma | Sazpaimon_, i can try to compile one for you... but i am not sure how to handle vkb with it | 19:27 |
| trx | i missed that, sorry | 19:28 |
| faenil_ | tomma: and I have QDeclarativeItem which I use in qml, which is created (qWarning in the constructor is called) but the paint() is never called | 19:28 |
| Sazpaimon_ | what the N9 needs is a program like symrdp | 19:28 |
| trx | yeah, pretty much useless | 19:28 |
| Sazpaimon_ | symrdp is an RDP client designed for symbian touch phones | 19:28 |
| Sazpaimon_ | the company seems defunct now | 19:28 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but there are demo videos of how it works on youtube | 19:28 |
| Sazpaimon_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaoHgxx6_VU here is a good one | 19:29 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | it has its own vkb designed to emulate a standard PC keyboard | 19:30 |
| faenil_ | could it be that qt 4.8 handles QDeclarativeItems in a different way? | 19:30 |
| faenil_ | that could explain why it starts on desktop and doesn't on n9 | 19:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and controls on the top for menu, show keyboard, and toggle mouse button | 19:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and when the rdp window is too large, it has scroll bars | 19:30 |
| faenil_ | oh but I don't have pr1.1 so it should be using 4.7.4 | 19:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i assume none of this can be done using native harmattan components, so they would have to be done prety much exactly how symrdp works | 19:31 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | (scrolling, customizing the vkb beyond T9 and qwerty) | 19:31 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | anyway yeah it'd be a bit of a task for someone better versed in qml than I am to write a frontend for rdesktop | 19:32 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | or perferably freerdp, which is an enhanced fork of rdesktop | 19:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | like I said though, it'd be a huge asset to anyone that uses the N9 seriously like me | 19:33 |
| Corsac | jabis: seems that the bootstate is taken from the bootmode in /proc/cmdline, so maybe setting the bootarg to bootmode=update might trigger the update | 19:33 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and one less reason for me to carry around my N900 and waste battery life wifi tethering | 19:33 |
| Corsac | but I wouldn't mess with that :/ | 19:33 |
| Sazpaimon_ | anyway, I've rambled on too much on this matter | 19:34 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but thats one app ive been killing for | 19:34 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | well, that and a picodrive port, but that'll come in due time | 19:34 |
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| faenil_ | I'm really getting angry about this | 19:37 |
| faenil_ | . | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | moo wazd | 20:38 |
| jonni | Corsac: with what command did you check your kernel version? | 20:39 |
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| javispedro | wow | 20:49 |
| javispedro | http://blog.comcast.com/2011/11/ipv6-deployment.html | 20:49 |
| jabis | jonni: dpkg -l kernel , cat /proc/version , uname -r | 20:49 |
| javispedro | "... as we've "just said no to NAT" in this phase of our IPv6 transition." | 20:49 |
| X-Fade | Does anybody have an idea what to up in the desktop file to not let an application show up in the icon list? | 20:49 |
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| * javispedro remove hat | 20:49 | |
| X-Fade | s/up/put/ | 20:49 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: Does anybody have an idea what to put in the desktop file to not let an application show up in the icon list? | 20:49 |
| Chaz6 | Too bad you have to enable developer mode for ipv6 :/ | 20:50 |
| javispedro | Chaz6: what's wrong with devmode? the phone be useless without devmode to me... | 20:51 |
| Chaz6 | It should be supported out of the box | 20:51 |
| javispedro | heh, good point. | 20:51 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: I think you can put something like NotShowIn=X-Meego; or ShowOnlyIn=X-NotMeego; | 20:52 |
| javispedro | err | 20:52 |
| javispedro | s/ShowOnlyIn/OnlyShowIn/ | 20:52 |
| jabis | Corsac: I'm not as daring either | 20:52 |
| jonni | X-Fade: rm desktopfile :) | 20:52 |
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| javispedro | jonni: desktopfiles have other purposes, e.g. mimetypes | 20:53 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Hmm yeah, I already have that in there. | 20:53 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade: I am quite sure NotShowIn works, I've used it a few times | 20:53 |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: Maybe I have a typo then :) | 20:54 |
| X-Fade | They show up as green icons now. | 20:54 |
| jabis | Corsac: minireboot does just that, it reads the flag (if it's set) from the .BOOT_MODE file in tmp, so the danger is that after flashing the kernel, it'll issue a reboot - and the file would still be there == bootloop everflasher x) | 20:54 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: grep /usr/share/applications/* for NotShowIn, there are a few examples I see | 20:54 |
| Corsac | jonni: uname -a / cat /proc/version | 20:55 |
| jabis | Corsac: so basically a .BOOT_MODE consisting of "update" should do the trick | 20:56 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: I have exactly that. | 20:56 |
| jabis | I wish I had more guts x) | 20:56 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: :S | 20:57 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: http://pastie.org/2837675 | 20:58 |
| * javispedro ponders | 21:00 | |
| javispedro | X-Fade: if you long tap on the launcher, does it appear with the X icon? | 21:00 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: No, that is the strange part :) | 21:01 |
| javispedro | if it was appearing with such an icon I'd have said to look into the installer-extra subdir in /usr/share/applications :P | 21:03 |
| X-Fade | Let me get another device to test it out. Maybe it is a bug in my particular version of firmware. | 21:03 |
| javispedro | or a lack of reboot or some garbage remaining from a previous installation | 21:03 |
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| jonni | X-Fade: NoDisplay should also be supported keyword "NoDisplay means "this application exists, but don't display it in the menus". This can be useful to e.g. associate this application with MIME types, so that it gets launched from a file manager (or other apps), without having a menu entry for it (there are tons of good reasons for this, including e.g. the netscape -remote, or kfmclient openURL kind of stuff). " | 21:11 |
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| faenil | has anyone tried plasmaactive image on n950 | 21:18 |
| faenil | ? | 21:18 |
| deram | for the delete X to appear when longtapping, I'd guess that the homescreen must know which package installed that desktop file, as it does proper uninstall | 21:18 |
| X-Fade | jonni: Thanks, will check it out. | 21:21 |
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| tomma | hmm... did they broke something with new toolchain? seems like MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN is not defined... or was it supposed to be? | 21:46 |
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| tomma | ah... nevermind... | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | um, how do I take screenshots on the N9 again? | 21:53 |
| jabis | mgedmin: install screenshot from ovi | 21:56 |
| merlin1991 | mgedmin: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4833 | 21:56 |
| merlin1991 | no need for screenshot | 21:56 |
| jabis | too bad I can't test because my cameras are borkd x) | 21:57 |
| mgedmin | oh, come ON! "To disconnect from an automatically used network, you have to change the network to a manually used network." | 21:59 |
| mgedmin | seriously? | 21:59 |
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| mgedmin | merlin1991, there's no gst-launch-0.10 on the N9 in PR 1.1, do I need to apt-get install something? | 22:00 |
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| mgedmin | idea: netview + screenshot the vnc client | 22:02 |
| BluesLee | i have a problem here, i cant import contacts via bt from n900 to n9, it says "transfer failed" | 22:02 |
| mgedmin | crap, doesn't fit on my screen | 22:02 |
| merlin1991 | mgedmin: gst-tools | 22:04 |
| merlin1991 | should be in the sdk repo | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I see two suspicious tokens in there, %F (is this meant to work?) and the ";" at end of line, which may or may not mess the parser up | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: non-visible chars, like spaces at end of line, non-printing chars, and msdos-linefeeds are another thing to check | 22:07 |
| mgedmin | merlin1991, thanks! | 22:08 |
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| BluesLee | okay, got it, bt was on but also flight modus | 22:09 |
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| Corsac | is there a way to select some terms in a message or a mail and paste them to maps? | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, the ";" seems common on all *.desktop | 22:12 |
| * npm realizes my old http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-500 tuner card has RCA ins that record N900/N950 video/audio | 22:12 | |
| * npm watches n950 through mplayer | 22:12 | |
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| mgedmin | waaah my sshfs is stuck | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | vnc hardwired ;-D | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | can't unmount, can't mount anything on top, can't ls parent directory - - processes just hang | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | not unknown | 22:16 |
| deram | try kill the ssh | 22:17 |
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| deram | that has helped me on my desktop some times | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard you *could* even remount | 22:17 |
| blade_runner | someone is having problem using ResourcePolicy::AudioResource together with pulse? | 22:17 |
| mgedmin | deram, thank you forever! | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | I owe you $beer | 22:18 |
| blade_runner | basically it acquires the resource but do not emit any sound after that | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: -o reconnect reconnect to server | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, I never figured out how to make *that* work | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno if it could help you out | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | my newest mockup: http://i.imgur.com/Ee4rL.png | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | Brogue for N9 | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | would be nice if somebody made it real :) | 22:19 |
| npm | <merlin1991> mgedmin: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4833 --> there's no gst-launch-0.10 on the N9 in PR 1.1 --> I believe i had to install gst-launch but i can't remember | 22:19 |
| merlin1991 | npm I think you have to install gst-tools | 22:21 |
| npm | yeah that's it | 22:21 |
| npm | avail but not there by default | 22:22 |
| npm | btw, i sped up capture a bit by writing to remote filesystem | 22:22 |
| npm | gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc ! videorate ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! multipartmux ! fdsink fd=1 | ssh npm@usb0 "cat > /media/gnulem-npm/Documents/screenlapse.mjpeg" | 22:22 |
| npm | writes the file over USB ethernet via SSH pipe to SDK host computer, which then writes file over ethernet to my desktop | 22:23 |
| npm | means no need to write files locally | 22:23 |
| npm | on handset | 22:23 |
| merlin1991 | I noticed that the very first screenshot takes some time, but then it's faster | 22:25 |
| deram | you'd get faster startup with using raw tcp stream instead of ssh, but that needs commands to be run on both device and desktop | 22:27 |
| merlin1991 | npm: btw thanks for that forum post, saved me some trouble when trying to take a screenshot of the vkbd on the n900 (how does one press ctrl+shift+p without using the keyboard) :D | 22:27 |
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| crevetor | What's going on with the cobs ? | 22:33 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, got my memo? | 22:43 |
| npm | merlin1991: yeah i pretty much do everything over ssh via a terminal running on my desktop | 22:43 |
| npm | so i wouldn't mind having an n9 so much :-) | 22:43 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: got a pm :) | 22:44 |
| javispedro | (you, I mean.) | 22:44 |
| npm | btw, i got some requests for http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/ to be able to send the audio message via sms/mail in addition to the transcribed text | 22:45 |
| npm | and that's what i wanted too | 22:45 |
| npm | but how does one ask the mailer to include an attachment? | 22:46 |
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| npm | mailto: does a lot but not that | 22:46 |
| npm | ( http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Best_practices_for_application_development_Launching_another_application_from_your_application.html ) | 22:47 |
| npm | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Launching_another_application_from_your_application.html?tab=3&q=Launching%20another%20application&sp=all | 22:48 |
| npm | seems to work better | 22:48 |
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| tomma | any of you have problems accessing git repo in projects.developer.nokia.com? | 22:53 |
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| npm | the internet is down? | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 22:55 |
| * npm wonders if there's a mailer/sms interface via dbus ala: qdbus com.nokia.telephony.callhistory /callhistory \ com.nokia.telephony.callhistory.dialer | 22:55 | |
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| npm | holy crap that worked | 22:56 |
| npm | joys of dbus | 22:56 |
| npm | ~ $ qdbus com.nokia.telephony.callhistory /callhistory \com.nokia.telephony.callhistory.dialer | 22:57 |
| npm | is specific command that worked | 22:57 |
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| mja | hm now that there is a PageStackWindow for symbian, is it still impossible to include those components that are actually required within one qml-file (i.e. symbian components on symbian, harmattan components on harmattan)? | 22:59 |
| npm | can someone remind how i can lookup all the names associated w/ 'org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Client.Messaging''com.nokia.messaging-ui' 'org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Client.Messaging' | 22:59 |
| mja | I have two qml-files that are identical besides the components section | 22:59 |
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| * javispedro is going to london this weekend | 23:00 | |
| javispedro | any place I could get to see a live N9? | 23:00 |
| djszapi | faenil: so what is this aegis swearing again ? | 23:00 |
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| faenil | djszapi: wait I'll give you a link to the log where they were talking about it ;) | 23:01 |
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| _Aranel_ | Nokia N9 PR1.1 bricked and I can't flash via Navifirm, "Downgrade disallowed". What should I do now? | 23:02 |
| mgedmin | contact Nokia Care? | 23:02 |
| faenil | djszapi: Nov 9 16:37:53 (2011) kernel: [52518.421081] Aegis: cannot measure file orcexec.6dkFi5 (process: camera-ui) | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | _Aranel_, wait till they give us a flasher | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | this kinda sucks | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | they should have an image ready | 23:02 |
| javispedro | faenil: that happens on my n950 too, and it is usually harmless. | 23:02 |
| _Aranel_ | no rescue mode, or revert back to factory or something? really? that really sucks :| | 23:03 |
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| faenil | javispedro: I'm just reporting something people said on chat today, because 2 people couldn't get camera to start after updating to pr1.1 | 23:03 |
| javispedro | that's probably because of the kernel issue | 23:03 |
| faenil | ;) | 23:03 |
| _Aranel_ | mgedmin: Nokia wouldnt Care since it's not released in Turkey yet. | 23:03 |
| javispedro | I know that the camera v4l interface changed between pr1.0 and pr1.1 | 23:04 |
| * djszapi is really happy about the Gluon talk feedbacks | 23:04 | |
| javispedro | I am not sure it is incompatible.... but it changed... | 23:04 |
| faenil | anyway, here's the link djszapi, if you want to give it a look, but don't get mad at me :D | 23:04 |
| faenil | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-11-09.log.html#t2011-11-09T16:38:26 | 23:04 |
| faenil | djszapi: I'm glad that they appreciated it :D | 23:04 |
| djszapi | faenil: I will not ruin my phanatastic day with few trolls ;) | 23:04 |
| faenil | djszapi: what was it about? gluon in general? | 23:04 |
| djszapi | Gaming Freedom | 23:04 |
| faenil | djszapi: good choice ;) | 23:05 |
| faenil | as in what? :) | 23:05 |
| djszapi | as in Gaming Freedom :) | 23:05 |
| djszapi | Knut Yrwin was the chair thingie | 23:05 |
| djszapi | but he did not start break dancing :) | 23:05 |
| * djszapi is wearing his lovely Gluon T-Shirt :p | 23:06 | |
| faenil | ahaha | 23:06 |
| faenil | what's in ur glass dude? :D | 23:07 |
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| djszapi | Hello Laszlo! Can you upload your real photo here http://posters.fruct.org/index.php?title=Gaming_Freedom ? This photo would be shown in presentations agenda on big screen and such pictures are not acceptable Thank, X :D | 23:08 |
| faenil | ahah :D | 23:08 |
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| djszapi | replaced. | 23:11 |
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| lbt | Apparently Pixmania in UK are selling the N9 | 23:13 |
| * npm reads up on http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/qmessageservice.html#compose | 23:13 | |
| jabis_ | goddamnit - DC under a ddos again | 23:13 |
| ajalkane | I've heard Pixmania is quite unreliable. | 23:14 |
| ajalkane | I mean, if there's a problem with the order or the device you get, they can be a nuisance to deal with. | 23:14 |
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| faenil | djszapi: oh what a nice boy on that photo :D | 23:17 |
| nid0 | fwiw i've only dealt with pixmania for one product which broke in its first year and they were pretty good at sorting the rma and getting it sent off to the manu for repair | 23:18 |
| djszapi | the camera ui thingie is known fact. Has nothing to do with aegis though in terms of the issue location | 23:18 |
| ajalkane | Who knows, maybe they're better today. In Finland there was some years ago quite much bad publicity of Pixmania. | 23:19 |
| ajalkane | I've ordered a digicam from them many years ago and had no problems. | 23:19 |
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| nid0 | its not pixmania selling the n9's in the uk anyway tho, but some 3rd party seller they have | 23:20 |
| nid0 | and its expensive, prolly better to stick to expansys :p | 23:20 |
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| nid0 | wish id ordered mine from there :< | 23:21 |
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| ajalkane | Wish I had money to order/buy mine from anywhere :-P | 23:22 |
| tomma | any of you have problems accessing your git repositories in projects.developer.nokia.com | 23:23 |
| djszapi | aegis ? :) | 23:24 |
| jabis_ | djszapi, nice that the same regression got onboard with N9 PR1.1 then | 23:24 |
| jabis_ | "a known thingie" - thanks for sharing it to my retail device x) | 23:25 |
| ajalkane | lol... DJ's joking about aegis problems. Good that all the complaining is not anymore getting on your nerves. | 23:26 |
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| djszapi | jabis_ think you are ringing the wrong bells...I am not responsible for that stuff in any way | 23:26 |
| jabis_ | just amuzed about your reaction ;) | 23:26 |
| jabis_ | not pinpointing -.- | 23:26 |
| rafael2k | people, what are you using for msn? any status of pidgin port? | 23:27 |
| djszapi | hiro | 23:27 |
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| ajalkane | I haven't used MSN for something like 10 years. But when I used it, Jabber routers worked well for it | 23:27 |
| jabis_ | the thing is - I did not have camera issues on PR 1.0, whilst 1.1 update borked my camera, AND it was a known issue on 950 - that's what's actually bugging me | 23:28 |
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| ajalkane | RzR has gotten MSN working with those Jabber thingies. | 23:28 |
| ajalkane | I have no problems with 1.1 on N950 | 23:28 |
| ajalkane | With camera that is | 23:28 |
| jabis_ | (and aegis didn't bitch about the camera-ui got no bitchings about aegis and orcs invading | 23:28 |
| augustl | why does ubuntu have superior font rendering to gnome 3? :S | 23:29 |
| petteri | so the camera problem was that kernel was not flashed due to a some app (using the camera) behaving badly | 23:29 |
| rafael2k | so no native msn app for harmattan yet? | 23:29 |
| augustl | wrong channel >< | 23:29 |
| ajalkane | rafael2k: no | 23:29 |
| jabis_ | petteri, vanilla N9 - resetted before attempting OTA | 23:29 |
| djszapi | jabis_: while keep complaining, you could probably just re-flash anyway | 23:29 |
| petteri | was it the flashlight? | 23:30 |
| rafael2k | <- need to compile N900 pidgin | 23:30 |
| jabis_ | djszapi: with what? there is no image -.- | 23:30 |
| ajalkane | is this why flashlight was removed from Nokia Store? | 23:30 |
| djszapi | jabis_: there indeed is | 23:30 |
| jabis_ | djszapi: 34-1 there is - not 40-4 | 23:30 |
| faenil | djszapi: where is it :D I still have no pr1.1 | 23:31 |
| faenil | I think you can't downgrade.. | 23:31 |
| jabis_ | I'm talking about N9 | 23:31 |
| ajalkane | Flashlight was a nice app. But Phonetorch is just as good, so doesn't matter. It was just peculiar as it just vanished from store. | 23:31 |
| jabis_ | OTA update that fucked the phone | 23:31 |
| jabis_ | not 950 (which had the same problem) | 23:31 |
| petteri | hopefully the camera problem will get sorted out. Ours (mine and girlfriends) N9s upgraded nicely | 23:32 |
| djszapi | jabis_: could you please read the first result on google ? | 23:32 |
| djszapi | pretty well-discussed thread really .. | 23:32 |
| djszapi | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79802 | 23:33 |
| Venemo | good evening guys :) | 23:33 |
| djszapi | Venemo: p/ | 23:33 |
| djszapi | o/ | 23:34 |
| Venemo | djszapi, o7 | 23:34 |
| jabis_ | djszapi: if you were pretty involved with that you'd see I've already contributed on that thread and YOU CAN'T FLASH YOUR N9 WITH A PRIOR FW :) | 23:34 |
| jabis_ | pretty well-discussed but not resolved :) | 23:35 |
| djszapi | I do not really see your problem | 23:36 |
| jabis_ | and no - the answer with one carrying the same symptoms resulted in a bootloop, and another which the flasher refused to flash because the kernel was newer - so two distinct different failed OTA's with exactly the same symptoms | 23:37 |
| djszapi | you got all the answers and even relevant thread. | 23:37 |
| jabis_ | all the answers - mind to elaborate? | 23:37 |
| djszapi | what makes you still complain ? | 23:37 |
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| jesuschrist | hi | 23:38 |
| faenil | djszapi: you say "reflash" but he can't reflash, because you can't downgrade, that's the problem he's talking about :) | 23:38 |
| djszapi | faenil: nobody said to downgrade, do not misinterpret me please | 23:38 |
| jabis_ | a) my camera doesn't work and b) you haven't answered to any of them questions by saying "hey google - pretty discussed topic" :) | 23:38 |
| * djszapi does not really understand why people cannot read ... | 23:38 | |
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| jabis_ | djszapi: you did - "re-flash" - with what - there is no image - there is - no there isn't | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I face the problem of irc chanops usually mustn't /ignore as otherwise they miss due /bans | 23:38 |
| faenil | djszapi: there's no 40-4 image out, so the only way to reflash is to downgrade, do you agree? :) | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 23:38 |
| djszapi | jabis_: *shurgs* I said you can reflash anyway (implying whenever there an image is, as I *did* say it is a know bug) | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~djs | 23:39 |
| infobot | rumour has it, djs is http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/english/conversation-flowchart.jpg | 23:39 |
| jabis_ | djszapi: hand me over the 40-4 image and I'll be happy to reflash | 23:39 |
| djszapi | seriously cumbersome discussion | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki troll | 23:40 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{About|the mythical beings|other uses|Troll (disambiguation)}} {{pp-semi-indef|small=yes}}{{pp-move-indef}} ]] A 'troll' is a supernatural being in Scandinavian folklore and mythology. In origin, the term "troll" was a generally negative synonym for a "jötunn" (plural "jötnar") being in Norse mythology. In later Scandinavian folklore, trolls became beings in their own right, typically | 23:40 |
| djszapi | jabis_: ok sure hold on .... | 23:40 |
| faenil | djszapi: if you don't have 40-4 image you can't reflash, stop :) | 23:40 |
| djszapi | yes you can, when it is available | 23:40 |
| ajalkane | lol | 23:40 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, lol :) | 23:40 |
| djszapi | since I *DID* say it isa known bug | 23:40 |
| djszapi | seriously implying people working on it | 23:41 |
| faenil | yes I understand that you said it is a known bug :) | 23:41 |
| faenil | so you're saying to wait for the image right? | 23:41 |
| djszapi | yes of course ... pretty clear. | 23:41 |
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| faenil | ok, good, I think this was not clear to other people :) | 23:41 |
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| javispedro | you all shut up now, you're interrupting my minesweeper game. | 23:41 |
| javispedro | ( ;P ) | 23:41 |
| faenil | ahahaha | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | /mode #harmattan +q * | 23:42 |
| faenil | hey I've been deopped XD | 23:42 |
| djszapi | faenil: I do not even understand what you thought after saying it is a known bug, and the image is not available. | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | missed your 5 min | 23:42 |
| djszapi | that is why I did not understand the issue ... | 23:42 |
| djszapi | all needed patience ... | 23:42 |
| jabis_ | "what's all this ruccuss - what's the trouble I keep hearing - it's a known thingy - what can you do about it - reflash - with what - there is no spoon..." | 23:43 |
| jabis_ | thanks for the convo anyways ;) | 23:43 |
| djszapi | jabis_: I will not help next time | 23:43 |
| djszapi | I am tired of this | 23:43 |
| faenil | djszapi: reread conversation, you were not clear about having to wait for the image...we all misunderstood :) but it's ok ;) don't get mad if you and other people misunderstood eachother ;) | 23:44 |
| jabis_ | djszapi: to be precise - I haven't received any help from you prior, and based on this discussion, haven't had now, so please thank GOD don't help me in the future if that's your input on a _known thingie_ | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | §1 djszapi always states correct things §2 if $1 doesn't apply, we fix the chanlogs | 23:45 |
| ajalkane | I can understand N9 users confusion. I think there has been no reflashable images officially available even for PR1.0, not to mention PR1.1. We N950 users are blessed in that way. | 23:45 |
| djszapi | I even said what caused it ... | 23:45 |
| djszapi | what is wrong with people not reading ? | 23:46 |
| faenil | djszapi: I won't answer again, don't want to feed the fire ;) | 23:46 |
| jabis_ | 21:38 < faenil> djszapi: you say "reflash" but he can't reflash, because you can't downgrade, that's the problem he's talking about :) | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ajalkane: for PR1.0 there are, tho not "official" | 23:46 |
| djszapi | jabis_: you are seriously tiresome | 23:46 |
| djszapi | see above: "broken exif/exempi data being inserted. ..." | 23:46 |
| ajalkane | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's why I said officially. Navifirm is not something most people, especially those without Windows ;), will use | 23:47 |
| djszapi | you got all the answers really | 23:47 |
| djszapi | and you are offensing the person who helped.. | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | though there's MrCrab | 23:47 |
| jabis_ | how did you help tharr? | 23:47 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: I'm half the time not sure if you're trolling on purpose or if there is a genuine language barrier here. You said "23:29 < djszapi> jabis_: while keep complaining, you could probably just re-flash anyway | 23:47 |
| ajalkane | which implies jabis could just now re-flash instead of complaining. | 23:48 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: It was cleared what I meant to say. | 23:48 |
| djszapi | please do not start it all over again | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, I'm absolutely temped now to kickban | 23:48 |
| djszapi | jabis_: you did get the reason why it is a known broken matter... | 23:48 |
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| djszapi | seriously, what is not clear ? Told it more times. | 23:49 |
| jabis_ | djszapi: it was NOT clear anyway, dude | 23:49 |
| jabis_ | djszapi: "stop bitching and reflash" - that's offensive | 23:49 |
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| djszapi | I am not getting why you argue | 23:49 |
| faenil | djszapi: so please accept you were not clear at the beginning :) you said reflash instead of complaining ;) come on guys, let's stop it here, we all understood that we have to wait for the image, and that this is a known bug lots of people are seriously working on ;) peace! :D | 23:49 |
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| djszapi | you have all the answers needed | 23:49 |
| merlin1991 | fsckd, where's my n9 | 23:49 |
| faenil | and to all: djszapi is a great person in real life, just he's pissed off when he's on this channel :) | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | not my problem | 23:50 |
| djszapi | faenil: I do not need body guards :D | 23:50 |
| javispedro | hah | 23:50 |
| javispedro | reminds me of what would happen if lennart were to enter this channel =) | 23:51 |
| * javispedro hides | 23:51 | |
| jabis_ | what "answers" your answer was to reflash - without anything to do it with - is that the answer? or google yourself to the death? or point me to a forum I'm already contributing and wondering? WHAT was the actual _answer_? :) | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | 23:51 |
| djszapi | 23:49 < djszapi> you have all the answers needed | 23:51 |
| faenil | djszapi: I did not expect you to be as I saw in real life, you are always angry when u're here, and you answer in hard ways most of the times :P | 23:51 |
| Venemo | why are you guys still keep arguing? | 23:52 |
| djszapi | no idea... | 23:52 |
| merlin1991 | javispedro: lennart in here, dunno, the climate might be better than lennert over in #maemo | 23:52 |
| faenil | Venemo: exactly :) | 23:52 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | because I don't have my N950 yet | 23:52 |
| arcean_ | Venemo: +1 | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm going to act in hard way soon, on moderating this chan | 23:52 |
| javispedro | because I hit a mine | 23:52 |
| javispedro | stupid minesweeper | 23:52 |
| faenil | ahahah | 23:52 |
| arcean_ | lol | 23:52 |
| faenil | minesweeper on n950 javis? | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you suck at moderating | 23:52 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: As far as I can see, it took some 10 minutes for other people to clear what you meant to say. All I saw you was saying "re-flash instead of complaining". | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | gimme +o and I'll /mkick | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | that'll teach you all! | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: indeed, must relate to my ignore list | 23:53 |
| javispedro | faenil: no | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | especially you ChanServ, I'm onto you | 23:53 |
| javispedro | thought this reminds me I need to clone the old PalmOS minesweeper | 23:53 |
| faenil | javispedro: ehhe :) | 23:53 |
| merlin1991 | hm update popped up here | 23:53 |
| * merlin1991 is scared | 23:54 | |
| MohammadAG | I'm thinking of powering a restaurant POS with Qt | 23:54 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: 10 minutes for understanding something ? :D Spent years with guys debugging their stuff and understand :D | 23:54 |
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| ajalkane | djszapi: but its okay too if you didn't know there's no official re-flasher for N9. But I don't understand why you get all mad about it? | 23:54 |
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| javispedro | is everyone OP on this channel or what? | 23:54 |
| djszapi | javispedro: :D:D | 23:55 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o javispedro | 23:55 | |
| merlin1991 | I'm not | 23:55 |
| merlin1991 | hint hint ;) | 23:55 |
| javispedro | /mkick | 23:55 |
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| ajalkane | djszapi: it can take a whole year to understand something sufficiently complex, let alone some instructions without internal coherence ;) | 23:55 |
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| arcean_ | merlin1991: haha | 23:55 |
| javispedro | enough, let's try this minesweeping thing again | 23:55 |
| faenil | djszapi: come on please stop it, you were not clear, do not keep saying we did not understand, ok? let's stop it here guys, please! ;) | 23:56 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: you did not get, so you made clarification. I clarified it | 23:56 |
| djszapi | I do not understand the problem | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | now me me me | 23:56 |
| djszapi | asked for clarification | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | no +o for me? | 23:56 |
| * MohammadAG cries | 23:56 | |
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| faenil | ahahah | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | muhahahah | 23:56 |
| faenil | use it MohammadAG | 23:56 |
| jabis_ | I'd like to feed my inner troll a bit more | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | now I can do what I always wanted to do | 23:57 |
| faenil | run run run!! | 23:57 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: pfff autorejoin | 23:57 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: I have no problem. I enjoy almost every line you write here, honestly. I was just interested to see if you're trolling on purpose or on accident. | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | kick merlin1991, he bitches a lot | 23:57 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: I was helping saying the technical reasons from the ground up | 23:58 |
| jabis_ | but instead I'll have a beer and see whether the "known thingie" gets resolved fast enough me not ending our company N9 parades over it ^^ | 23:58 |
| faenil | ahahaahh | 23:58 |
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| ajalkane | djszapi: that was helpful, indeed. | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, I missed sth helpful due to my ignore list? shit! | 23:59 |
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