IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2011-11-09

jabisswype made it worse to type landscape on terminal x)00:00
jabisalso disabled changin the layout via swiping over the vkb00:00
grinice you show both names here00:01
jabisoh and besides - I've rebooted for over 6 times - can't be that00:01
griDid anyone of you update to qtsdk 1.1.4?00:01
ajalkaneThere's already 1.1.4? I just upgraded to 1.1.3!00:02
grisince I have a 34-1 default madde environment00:02
gribut there's also a 39-5 one listed00:02
gribut not installed00:02
gri (mad list output)00:03
grioh noo, forget that00:03
griruntime and target ... are different things :)00:03
faenilI'm trying to update the sdk, but it didn't work, so I stopped it...00:04
faenildon't know if it's worth trying again00:04
grifaenil: I removed mine and reinstalled it even after a successful update00:05
faenilyeah I think I'll do the same...00:05
grifaenil: Did your updater show a kb rate and time remaining?00:05
faenilthe updater is broken...00:05
faeniljust %00:05
griThe 1.1.4 online installer lists time and download rate00:06
griso you should try that one it does not seem to have used that one while updating00:06
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toninikkanenwhat, exactly, is Harmattan doing when, after the battery runs out, you plug it into a charger and restart it, and it takes 30 minutes to boot up again ?00:09
toninikkanenis it charging 29,5 minutes "just in case" and booting 30 seconds, or...00:09
faenilnever happened...00:09
mprdo you actually plug it to a charger or to some usb port which might give very little power for some reason?00:10
toninikkanena charger00:10
toninikkanena genuine nokia charger plugged into the wall00:10
toninikkanenhappens to me every time on N950 (currently running the 39-x whatever version)00:10
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jabisit's the -x whatever -version feature I suppose00:12
toninikkaneni'd say what the x exactly were if the device would stop showing the spinner and let me see the exact version number...00:12
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jabischeck the logs for something failing in startup - a hanging script or a failing app?00:13
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toninikkaneni'll steal a jig from somewhere and see the serial console output... naah, maybe not00:14
jabistrack & protect for example has been the source of many bitchy things for my N9 (come to a crawl and force a reboot when toggling GPS options)00:14
jabisalso froze a few other niners upon first start00:15
MohammadAGunfortunately switching off GPS in options causes the device to hang00:15
toninikkanenhave to check that once it's properly booted up again...00:15
MohammadAGwhenever the libraries ask for GPS00:15
MohammadAGUnlike on iOS where it says Location is disabled00:15
jabisI couldn't get rid of it without removing all apps tho, which sucks, I'm not gonna apt-get install every other package in the blabal-harmattan-pr package just to rid one x)00:16
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jabisMohammadAG: purely installing(not actually installing but first launch which forces you to set up the accounts) that app froze a batch of fresh N9's, slowly became unresponsive up to the time where the user had to hard-restart the phone, and that's BAD behavior of a bundled app :)00:19
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jabisalso people were confused that the phone is asking a security code no one had set.. which meant the code that one used with t&p, but didn't call it with the same name (no security codes anywhere) in the application00:22
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mgedminin qml, how do you ask for your app to be inverted (i.e. white on black, rather than the default black on grey)?00:32
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faenilsdk updater keeps saying it can't extract components.7z because something is blocking it from doing so...00:41
faenilwhat can I do?00:41
faenilthere's nothing in processes which could prevent that...00:41
mgedminare you out of disk space?00:42
mgedminI'm out of ideas00:42
mgedminsdk updater EATS ALL MY RAM and fails to update anything00:42
faenilsame here...00:42
mgedminI've two copies of the meego stuff in my qt creator somehow00:42
mgedminI think I'll download the new one and reinstall00:42
* mgedmin is trying to mock up a QML interface for Brogue00:42
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* gri is running 1.1.4 sdk and qtcreator 2.4.0 beta and fairly happy :)00:44
faenilbecause gri reinstalled everything :P00:44
griyep, now I only have one .deb left which has to be manually installed into madde00:44
grilibcommhistory-dev is still only available from scratchbox and has to be copied from there00:45
grigood night faenil00:49
faenilgood night gri :)00:49
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* javispedro might have got a touchpad after all00:50
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faenila touchpad?00:52
faenildamn sdk updater...00:52
faenilretry -> error....ignore -> same error....00:53
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mgedminhaha icon-m-toolbar-cancle.png01:14
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DocScrutinizer~larrt crappy cheap chinese fans01:25
DocScrutinizer~lart crappy cheap chinese fans01:25
* infobot shoots crappy cheap chinese fans in his sleep01:25
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you've seen I suffered exactly your bad fate01:26
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jabisso when can we expect a fix for teh camera? x)02:09
jabiscamera[pid]: Camera pipeline error: "Internal GStreamer error..." camerabingeneral::gst_camera_add_element(): QCameraCameraBin::linking capsfilter6 failed...02:10
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stroughtonsmithis the N9 PR1.1 update not pushed OTA yet? I haven't seen it on my device02:49
stroughtonsmithor are news sites just reporting on it for the hell of it? :P02:49
chpwnhm, my N9's headphone jack doesn't seem to work at all02:51
chpwnmusic still plays out of the speakers even with headphones in02:51
stroughtonsmithchpwn: doesn't work with iPhone headset02:51
chpwnI tried Palm headphones too.02:51
chpwnI guess those don't work?02:52
stroughtonsmithwhat about the N9 ones? do they work?02:52
* chpwn tries the N9 headphones02:52
chpwnoh, wait, i can't02:52
chpwnN9 headphones are in another room and there's a cat sitting on me02:52
chpwnwell, later02:52
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jabisstroughtonsmith: it's a cascading update, region at a time03:05
stroughtonsmithjabis: ah, gotcha. Region of phone purchase or region of use?03:06
jabisphone purchase *afaik*03:06
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Sazpaimon_holy shit is PR 1.1 out for N9?05:44
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Sazpaimon_damn i saw software update and thought it was pr1.105:44
Sazpaimon_it was just sdk-connectivity-tool05:44
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specialSazpaimon_: PR 1.1 is out for N906:03
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Sazpaimon_special, weird06:10
Sazpaimon_i never got the update06:10
specialaccording to that, it's a staggered deployment06:13
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jonniSazpaimon_: N9 PR1.1 the update is 1st deployed to Europe PR 001 (started yesterday), Europe2 PR 009 should start later today, and other regions & variants are starting in days to come...07:36
jonniso depending on your region or variant you might need to wait a few days before it hits you.07:39
KypeliWill the N950 also be updated this time?07:48
qronichttps://qa*****:*****  The requested URL returned error: 40407:49
qronicwhere I can get so gcc installs?07:49
hiemanshuKypeli: the N950 is on PR1.1 for some time now07:58
KypeliYes, I know. But that doesn't mean there couldn't be updates to that release too07:58
hiemanshuif there in an update, we'll get it07:58
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Corsachmhm, interesting, the shutdown button now reboots08:42
Corsachmhm, no, just one time08:43
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Corsachmhm, and do people have small red light in the front camera too?08:49
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Corsacwhat would be a good place to add various information about N9/Harmattan? Forum is a bit too messy, so a wiki page would be nice, but I ponder or maemo.org08:55
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Arkenoimy tracker-store is definitely crazy. i wonder if there is a way to fix it without backup, reflash and restore09:14
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Chaz6I have two numbers for a contact, how do I know which number their text message came from?09:34
Chaz6It would be nice to be able to archive old numbers in a contact so I still have them for my text message archive09:37
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mecealoha Harmattanites10:08
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Fryebah, gof started crashing periodically. =)10:35
FryeOtherwise I like the pr1.1 ;-)10:36
FryeShame I don't have enough time to play around with qml stuff atm.10:36
meceFrye, I made a "utility" for simple on device qml coding. Binary that runs ~/qml/main.qml open gl accelerated. You can modify the qml files on device using, for example, khteditor.10:39
meceFrye, wait ok perhaps not as much fun without the keyboard..10:40
meceAnyway, it's convenient when you have a lot of kids like me, and don't have time to sit at the computer. I can code on the can etc :)10:40
meceanyway, if you (or anybody) wants it, here's a deb blob:
tommaor you can mount home using sshfs and modify those files with creator10:42
mecetomma, yeah, that is actually a really good idea. Much faster testing stuff that way.10:43
mecetomma, I'm pretty happy with just using the desktop qmlviewer tho. Unless I'm doing something with qtquick components.10:43
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Arkenoiany ideas how to diagnose tracker-store problem?10:45
Fryemece sounds interesting10:46
FryeI may need to get myself a bt keyboard...10:46
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meceFrye, btw if you want to install deb blobs directly from gitorious you need to add application/debian-package=installui.desktop to /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache10:49
meceFrye, for some reason it gives that mimetype, and installui only supports application/x-debian-package by default. You should also add application/debian-package to MineType= in /usr/share/applications/installui.desktop for things to work properly.10:51
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artemma-n9test message from mobile11:00
hiemanshuartemma-n9: what app?11:02
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* artemma on the call11:03
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Arkenoiseems that tracker-store bug is somehow related to MfE11:09
Arkenoihow could it be possible?11:09
Arkenoibut tracker goes nuts exactly after mfe sync11:09
Arkenoiand mfe sync won't finish if i won't shoot the tracker process11:09
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Stskeepstracker indexes email and sacrifices small furry animas11:09
abArkenoi, mfe syncs up its metadata into tracker11:09
Arkenoiab: and appears that it does not like it.. i wonder if i can do anything with it..11:10
abArkenoi, you can use proper channel to communicate with mfe developers on tmo11:10
abArkenoi, they are responsive. Or you can go to gimpnet and talk to tracker developers, they are responsive as well.11:11
Arkenoiab: i wonder if there is something i can do right now to fix it11:19
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artemmahiemanshu: IRC cient for N9 is called communi11:22
hiemanshuartemma: with proper themeing?11:22
artemmapretty cool, especially for a first version11:22
* artemma never cared about theming11:22
artemmalooks nice to me, that I did notice :)11:23
hiemanshuartemma: as in not the ugly qt look correct? got a link?11:23
artemmahiemanshu: it's not official (yet), but I've heard a beta link could be found around!/jpnurmi ;)11:24
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MohammadAGoh cool11:30
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augustl"apt-get update" errors with a 404 for, hmm11:40
augustl..on a N9, that's probably relevant ;)11:41
augustlanyone know why, and if there's a fix?11:41
decibyteaugustl: not that it helps you, but i think it's a 403, not 40411:43
decibyteit's probably about permissions on the file on the server11:43
augustlnope, the error message from apt-get update is 40411:43
decibytewell, open it in your browser and you'll get a 40311:44
augustlW: Failed to fetch The requested URL returned error: 40411:44
augustlE: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.11:45
MohammadAGdecibyte, that's cause apt uses auth11:45
MohammadAGso it's a 404, not a 40311:45
decibyteahh, i see11:45
augustlindeed, apt-get probably doesn't perform an identical request to what our browsers do11:45
decibyteMohammadAG: why is it protected behind auth?11:45
MohammadAGso you don't browse it with your browser :P11:45
MohammadAGit's been like that since Maemo 5 afaik11:45
decibytebut why?11:46
decibytejust curious...11:46
augustlaww, apt-det dist-upgrade doesn't do anything :)11:47
augustlhoping to force start the OTA upgrade ;)11:47
sandst1augustl: you don't want to do that :)11:47
augustlbut, but, but11:47
Kaadlajkdist-upgrade or upgrade will break your device11:48
MohammadAGKaadlajk, upgrade works fine11:48
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augustldist-upgrade didn't break my device either ;)11:50
augustla whole lot of nothing happened11:50
vdvhi all11:50
X-Fadeaugustl: Where does your device come from?11:51
X-Fadeaugustl: Which region is that?11:52
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augustlX-Fade: norway11:52
augustlX-Fade: I have a feeling I have a sort of unique-ish device though. I got mine from a Nokia Concept Store, unlocked. They only got a few phones, and they got them "directly from the factories", whatever that might actually mean11:52
X-Fadeaugustl: Ok, you will probably see that warning go away soonish.11:52
augustlanyways, I compared the version number for my device with the "official" N9 edition and it's different11:53
X-Fadeaugustl: Yeah, I don't think they are sold officially yet :)11:53
X-Fadeaugustl: And that might be the reason.11:53
decibytei suspect it to be kinda random who gets the update when. a friend and i has bought form the same operator. i got the update yesterday. he still hasn't.11:54
vdvi'm a bit confused, didn't nokia cancel meego support? harmattan is a meego 1.2 from nokia, right? what's the difference between meego comunity edition and harmattan?11:54
TSCHAKeeevdv: Harmattan is very much Maemo11:55
qronic<decibyte>: on nokia site there's a message that europe1 N9's got the update, and europe2 N9's wil get it today/tomorrow11:55
TSCHAKeeevdv: when MeeGo was announced, Harmattan was already in the advanced stages of development11:56
decibyteqronic: e1 and e2? what's the difference?11:56
TSCHAKeeevdv: rather than re-tool the entire stack from the bottom up to conform to the agreed upon MeeGo Core, they left their existing core, and put MeeGo libraries on top or applications.11:56
TSCHAKeeevdv: so while they can run the same applications, they are very different underneath.11:57
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qronicdecibyte: I don't know11:57
vdvTSCHAKeee, so, harmattan is successor of fremantle?11:58
TSCHAKeeevdv: correct.11:58
vdvand do nokia support it now?11:58
TSCHAKeeevdv: Nokia has agreed to support it for the next three years.11:58
decibyteqronic: well... i find it that n9's from the same operator in the same country doesn't get the update at the same time. but i don't care. i got it :)11:59
vdvbut they don't want harmattan or meego in the future?11:59
decibyte*i find it to be odd that...11:59
TSCHAKeeevdv: Nokia has, for now, stated that they will be supporting Windows Phone on their high end models for future endeavours. Maemo has basically been kicked back downstairs into R&D/skunkworks. The next iteration (Meltemi) is being refocused against smaller devices to replace Series 40.12:01
vdvTSCHAKeee, and meego is declined too?12:02
TSCHAKeeeMeeGo is now purely a community effort, which has basically become Mer 2.012:02
vdvand pure meego was never shipped with any nokia device officially?12:02
TSCHAKeeeno, man.. you could figure this out if you spent any time looking around.12:03
TSCHAKeeei swear, the public have memories like goldfish.12:03
vdvTSCHAKeee, ok, thanks a lot12:04
vdvwas just confused with all that stuff12:04
vdvbut upgrading fremantle to harmattan on my n900 doesn't make sense, right?12:05
decibytevdv, it _is_ quite a mess, i think. no wonder some gets confused.12:05
TSCHAKeeevdv: you can't.12:05
vdvisn't it for armel devices?12:06
* TSCHAKeee resists the urge to thwap vdv on the back of the head12:06
vdvno port to n900?12:06
decibytehaha :)12:06
TSCHAKeeeyou can't get the source code to all of Harmattan12:06
TSCHAKeeeyou couldn't build your own12:06
vdvi hate nokia :)12:06
TSCHAKeeewhy is it so fucking hard12:07
TSCHAKeeefor people to understan12:07
TSCHAKeeethat MeeGo was basically a vendor building block?12:07
TSCHAKeeevendors take it, modify it for their devices, release their devices12:07
deramafaik, harmattan is called meego just because it fits the early products window that has lower compliance requirements, and there was agreement that this year one device must be made availlable.12:07
TSCHAKeee(as in, also correct)12:08
vdvmeego comunity version is hopeless :(12:09
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TSCHAKeeepeople just don't understand12:09
vdvso have to live with maemo512:09
TSCHAKeeecommunity development is evolutonary12:09
TSCHAKeeethere is no guiding hand12:10
TSCHAKeeeand people come, people go12:10
TSCHAKeeeso large things that are spread across more people12:10
Hei_Kuhello there.12:10
TSCHAKeeetake longer to build.12:10
* TSCHAKeee is tired of explaining this shit over and over12:10
Hei_KuI have a cmake project that I want to port to harmattan. What is the recommended way to go? Scratchbox, QtSDK?12:11
vdvHei_Ku, QtSDK is simpler12:11
vdvat least for me12:11
decibyteTSCHAKeee: blog about it to have somewhere to point to :)12:11
Hei_KuI opened the cmake project in QtCreator, but I don't see a Harmattan target as I see with a qmake project12:12
Hei_KuHow can I tell it to build for Harmattan?12:12
vdvah, that's cmake...12:13
SputHei_Ku: Madde "just works" with cmake12:13
Sputthough I'm not sure how well that can be integrated in Creator12:13
vdvi would just create pro files12:14
Hei_KuSput: ok, I'll try that12:14
vdvand switch to qmake12:14
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Hei_Kuvdv: it's not much an option when you have a big project working on other platforms12:14
SputHei_Ku: I tried building Quassel (the desktop version) for the N950 just for fun, and it was pretty easy with madde, no build system fiddlery required12:14
Sputvdv: qmake is also not an option for any project that is slightly larger than hello world :P12:15
Hei_KuSput: I'm trying to build KMyMoney, so I hope it's not that hard to at least get going with the build12:15
Hei_Kumy thoughts exactly about qmake :P12:15
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vdvmaybe :)12:16
SputHei_Ku: yeah, been a while that I worked with the Madde stuff, but afair it was really just running "madde cmake" instead of just "cmake"12:16
Sputor something along those lines.12:16
Sputusing the toolchain and sysroot the QtSDK installed, of course12:16
Corsaccan someone on N9/PR1.1 do a uname -a?12:18
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TSCHAKeeeSput: howso? I'm building VERY large projects with qmake and QtSDK12:19
TSCHAKeeeSput: perhaps it's a discretionary choice?12:19
SputTSCHAKeee: well, as long as you don't have external dependencies...12:20
TSCHAKeeealso, good god12:20
Hei_KuI've had problems with it when you have complicated dependencies12:20
Sputthings like "finding a library" are nigh impossible with qmake12:20
TSCHAKeeeyes, it's harder with external deps12:20
Sputespecially in a crossplatform way.12:20
TSCHAKeeebut we've made it work.12:20
TSCHAKeeebut anyway,12:20
TSCHAKeeewould you just blindly port something like kmymoney12:21
SputI do love the QtSDK and working with it day in day out, but I really wish they'd support cmake more properly12:21
TSCHAKeeeinstead of, you know, actually making something that conforms nicely to the phone?12:21
Hei_KuTSCHAKeee: who says I'm going to do it blindly12:21
Hei_Kufor once, I cannot port the interface12:21
deramCorsac: Linux RM696 #1 PREEMPT Tue Oct 25 14:39:04 EEST 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux12:21
Hei_Kuso I won't be able to do it blindly anyway12:21
Hei_Kubut the backend engine is a good one, so I can use it to provide a limited KMM interface on the phone. to register stuff on the go12:22
Corsacderam: hmhm ok, thanks12:23
Corsachmhm, even weirder, kernel-modules has correctly been upgraded but fortunately the previous modules weren't removed12:25
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qronichmm, why fopen("/sys/kernel/security/validator/enabled", "r" )  gets a SIGSEGV? aegis again?12:33
Corsacbtw, does anyone know how to check what kernel is in flash?12:37
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mecehmpf. youtube html5 version doesn't seem to work properly in grob. The page said it supported everything it threw at it, and it looks good, everything works except for the actual video.12:56
jonniCorsac: uname -r12:57
meceoo youtube html5 works in firefox on N950 ::):):)12:57
meceseems it drops about 99% of the frames tho. sound is good.12:58
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meceI think the problem is that no h.264 support in firefox.13:01
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Venemohm, new Qt SDK update is messed up13:16
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Corsacjonni: not like that13:27
CorsacI'd like to check the content of the flash (maybe not the right term though, but where the kernel image is stored)13:28
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griVenemo: what is messed up?13:31
jonniCorsac: ah content of onenand device, I dont think that we have public api for that13:32
Venemogri, well they say that now there's only one Harmattan target instead of two. but actually there is a "Harmattan Platform API" in the Experimental section and a "Harmattan Target" in the development tools section.13:33
griVenemo: I think you can ignore the experimental thing as they said on labs.trolltech.com13:33
Venemogri, I ignored it but why don't they remove it from there then?13:34
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griVenemo: No idea, maybe there's no way to rename a package in their packaging system? So they would have to provide an empty "experimental harmattan api" to actually remove it? Only a pointless guess, of course13:35
Corsacjonni: ok13:35
Corsacjonni: any idea how to check why the (new) kernel is not correctly flashed to onenand?13:35
jonniCorsac: but if I remember right its /dev/mtd3, but you have to figure out yourself how to mount it :)13:35
Venemogri, if that's true, then they'll need to fire the guy who's responsible for that crap.13:35
faenilmorning people :)13:36
Venemohey faenil :)13:36
griVenemo: Well, I just removed the complete sdk and installed it to make sure it works :)13:36
Venemogri, I'm doing the same13:36
grifaenil: morning? I'm finished with university today :)13:36
Venemogri, where do you live?13:36
faenilgri: I've already been to uni13:36
griVenemo: Germany13:36
Venemogri, well, you're in the same time zone as me, it seems13:37
faenil9-11, other lectures at 14-1613:37
faenilsorry 16-1813:37
faenilnot that I just woke up :D13:37
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gri8-11:20 was my schedule today :)13:37
faenillucky :)13:37
faenilI had 8 hours today13:37
faenilbut luckily enough, I'll skip 4 because of burocratic reasons :D13:38
Venemomuhaha, I have only one lesson at uni today, 16:15-17:4513:39
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faenillucky people :P13:40
MohammadAGI skipped two lessons today13:40
MohammadAGwas two tired13:40
VenemoMohammadAG, you're the best :)13:40
MohammadAGsee? :P13:40
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Corsachmhm, the flashing is supposed to be done at next reboot13:41
Arkenoihow can i reset tracker database?13:41
MohammadAGtracker-processes -r13:41
faenilstill, I have no pr1.1 update yet :P13:41
DocScrutinizer~nuke t-online13:41
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at t-online ... B☢☢M!13:41
faenilgri: got yours?13:41
MohammadAGthat deletes contacts on the N95013:41
grifaenil: No13:41
MohammadAGfaenil, oh stfu13:41
MohammadAGJUST STFU13:41
DocScrutinizerbastards messing with my DSL13:41
MohammadAGat least you have a device13:41
griMohammadAG: Yours is still lost?13:42
DocScrutinizercan't eat that friggin device13:42
MohammadAGgri, something like that13:42
DocScrutinizerDSL outage kills my next job before I even got it13:42
griMohammadAG: So you got any information why they delay it?13:43
faenilMohammadAG, still couldn't get ur n950 back?13:44
griMohammadAG: Nokia also doesn't get any information since they sent it?13:44
nid0n950 fan in customs deciding they wanted it, probably13:44
faenilomg...can't believe that MohammadAG13:44
* gri will only enter isreal with an old phone from now :)13:45
MohammadAGgri, nope13:46
griSo there's nothing you can do?! Wtf?13:46
ArkenoiMohammadAG, where is tracker-processes binary?13:48
Corsacplease messageserver/fenix, show me my mail instead of using my cpu!13:48
MohammadAGgri, pretty much13:48
MohammadAGspent two weeks on the phone, didn't get far from where I was, so yeah13:48
VenemoMohammadAG, did it take them so long last time?13:50
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: toldya you got no contract with DHL or not even Nokia, so *you* basically can't legally claim rights on that device. Nokia/DHL can OTOH13:52
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faenilMohammadAG: why don't you go there and get it by yourself? is it far?13:53
DocScrutinizertechnically ATM it's still DHL who are responsible for the parcel13:53
DocScrutinizerfaenil: because he can either get arrested or shot, but not claim that package from customs13:54
faenillol Doc13:54
TSCHAKeeehe's not kidding.13:55
DocScrutinizernot so much :-/13:55
TSCHAKeeeso not kidding.13:55
TSCHAKeeewas the device flagged as a security risk?13:55
DocScrutinizerwho knows13:55
DocScrutinizerif it was, you know you are as well if you dare to ask13:56
TSCHAKeeeIsrael is funny like that... anything they don't even remotely recognize disappears.13:56
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hiemanshuIndia is funny like that... anything they remotely want for themselves, disappears :P13:57
DocScrutinizerI hope they recognize MohammadAG ;-D13:57
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* DocScrutinizer is just amazed it obviously took mossad from "Wednesday, October 12, 2011" til "Thursday, October 27, 2011" to do some proper RE of the N950 HW14:00
DocScrutinizerbastards shall at least publish the schematics :-P14:00
TSCHAKeeewell there is one thing to say about israeli security, they have some damned thorough engineers...14:02
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griisrael passport control questioned my brother for 3 hours the last time and he was not even disassembled :D14:05
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, jewish holidays14:06
* merlin1991 wonders why his n9 won't get pr 1.114:06
grimerlin1991: same here, like the blog says "wait a few days"14:07
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: AAH14:07
faenilsame here merlin199114:07
DocScrutinizergri: LOL14:07
merlin1991gri: where's the blog?14:08
merlin1991also I'm hoping for a flasher image this time :D14:08
DocScrutinizerI'll happily wait a few weeks until they finally publish some official 1.1 image to unbrick14:08
Corsacespecially since 1.1 doesn't seem that stable14:08
faenilDoc: wise choice14:09
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faenilunistalling qtsdk, downloading new installer14:10
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faenilqtsdk can't even uninstall itself...errors, can't find uninstalling .bat file...14:11
* DocScrutinizer nukes FSCKNG
DocScrutinizerwithout all standard cookie policies you never log in twice there14:12
DocScrutinizeron other bacges they send cookies expiring 1969-10-30 14:00 (!), probably here they send a session-expired cookie that never ever expires14:13
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: on other pages they send cookies expiring 1969-10-30 14:00 (!), probably here they send a session-expired cookie that never ever expires14:14
Corsacso nice14:14
DocScrutinizeror Nokia sso knew I'd have left a bitter comment there on that site  - about "nice way to brick your device" "thank you Nokia for not shipping an image to reflash!!"14:16
Venemofaenil, just ignore that crap14:17
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Corsachmhm, it seems that fenix doesn't care about message limit in PR1.114:27
Corsacbecause it shows indexing on very old messages, it seems14:27
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Arkenoitracker-control reports process as idle14:54
Arkenoiwhile it eats all cpu14:54
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Arkenoiseems that i cannot import vcf with multiple contact cards?15:18
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Arkenoi"excellent" side-effect of reseting tracker database: killing all my contacts and messages15:32
griwell, they are stored in tracker :)15:34
Stskeepssend a patch15:37
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djszapiCorsac: SDK mode is needed for windows connection15:39
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djszapis&c and sdk mode work on linux, also on mac with some configuration.15:40
djszapinot too consistent naming and management of this, but that is the reason.15:41
* RST38h moos15:41
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Corsacdjszapi: oh, thanks15:47
mgedminOTA update of N9 seems to have worked fine15:47
fluxworked fine for me as well, although I made the precautionary measure of rebooting the device before the update :)15:49
mgedminmessageserver eating 100% CPU again15:50
mgedminseriously, what's with that?15:50
Corsacmgedmin: same here15:51
Corsacmgedmin: it seems that it tries to index *all* mails on my inbox15:51
Corsacand not only the last 50015:51
Corsactrying to set the message limit to 100 leads to not receiving new mail or something like that15:51
Corsac(still investigating, not sure)15:51
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mgedminis there a bug I could metoo, or something?15:52
Corsacwell, I didnt yet report anything, considering they are not read15:52
Corsacbut if I'm not the only one, I'll make a report (or confirm one) so people are aware they're not alone15:53
* mgedmin reboots and watches top like an eagle15:55
mgedminloadavg: 3.93 \o/15:55
fralsthe tmo thread got logging instructions15:55
mgedminfun to see all those -prestart processes coming up one by one15:55
fralsif you attach a log with relevant information about this i can poke the appropriate person15:55
mgedminno messageserver so far15:55
fralssince i can see his room from here ;(15:55
mgedminclearly what we need is a portal gun15:56
mgedminah, there's messageserver15:57
mgedmindividing up the cpu with smartsearch, both niced15:57
* mgedmin goes to googe for the vaguely-described TMO thread15:57
decibytemgedmin: please link when you find it :)15:58
mgedminoh fun, I open Accounts, I tap any one of them, nothing happens...16:00
mgedminall the menus appear to be broken?!16:01
mgedminsettings -> device -> battery ... battery ... battery I said ... nothing :(16:02
mgedminit worked before I rebooted16:02
jabisI'm really frustrated with the camera issue :/16:03
mgedminah, the update destroyed my ~/.profile, nice.16:03
jabisabout the only thing besides devving I use is teh damn camera and nao is bork'd ;<16:05
mgedminis it just me, or did terminal suddenly start autocapitalizing in PR 1.1?16:05
jabisautocorrect on swype and it autocapitalizes for me - also swype ain't good for them terminal commands x)16:05
jabisswiping from side to side doesn't seem to work well when using swype as input - it almost everytime just blabbers out a word instead of changing the vkb16:06
mgedminkillall -9 messageserver -> all the accounts/settings pages now show up16:07
TSCHAKeeehow do you enable swype?16:07
mgedminhow on earth were they blocked on messageserver?16:07
TSCHAKeee(and is it on the N950?)16:07
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jabisTSCHA, I'm using N9, no idea whether swype packages are avail for 95016:09
* mgedmin turns off email checking schedule for both accounts, and also turns off google calendar sync for good measure16:09
jabisTSCHAKeee: Settings -> Time and Language -> Text Input (should have Swype & it's options in there, if you have the packages)16:11
javispedrohelo gentlemen.16:11
mgedminapparently it was the wrong TMO thread, since there was nothing about enabling logging in the one I found16:11
jabismgedmin: also check the Settings -> Time...-> Text Input -> Auto-capitalization16:12
jabisjavispedro: sup almost-same-named-guru :)16:12
mgedminjabis, no such thing16:14
mgedminactive input method, installed input methods, swype, error correction, insert with space key -- those are all the options there are16:14
mgedminyou know, if they removed that option, it could explain things16:15
jabisjavispedro: also, what do you reckon, about the kernel not flashing properly with niner, uname -r showing still after the update16:15
javispedrowell, I'm sure Nokia will like such reports..16:15
mgedminjabis, I see here16:17
mgedminbut I also unplugged the charger and power-kicked mine twice16:17
jabiseverything (except the camera) seems updated but then again - camera fail = the same error as with 95016:17
javispedrowhat's wrong with the n950?16:18
* javispedro never OTAs either way, so not that I'm ever going to experience that16:19
faeniljavispedro: after using N9 and n950...I can say n9 is superior...16:19
javispedrooh, I was not thinking _that_ question...16:19
jabisjavis, I meant that I get the same error as with N950 in the bugtracker16:19
mgedminlooks like messageserver is no longer bugging me, yay16:20
MohammadAGSo they opened up the package and found an N950, a cable and a quick start guide16:20
MohammadAGit's also a Nokia16:20
javispedrofaenil: plus, you can remove my hw kb from my cold dead tired fingers16:21
MohammadAGgotta love israeli security16:21
javispedroMohammadAG: and a weapon of mass destruction16:21
jabiscan one forcily update the PR1.1 again as apt thinks there's nothing to update/upgrade to - tho kernel has wrong version ;/16:22
* mgedmin checks for app updates -- size of required additional download: 666,6 MB16:22
MohammadAGjavispedro, they found Mohammad on the box, so that's there16:22
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javispedroouch, forgot the ? ;P16:22
jabisif Mohammad will not come to the mountain, mountain will giddyup to Mohammad16:22
jabisso watch your six'o'clock Mohammad ;D16:22
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: so is there progress on the n950 front?16:22
faeniljavispedro: :P16:23
MohammadAGyes, only after Nokia emailed them  though16:23
javispedroMohammadAG: thank the gods Nokia emailed, because in who-can-move-slowest competition.... I wouldn't know where to place my bets!16:24
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Corsacjavispedro: what does dpkg -l mp-harmattan-001-pr returns?16:27
Corsacjavispedro: not you, jabis16:27
Corsacjabis: -^16:27
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MohammadAGjavispedro, the guy who sent me the device was out on holiday16:28
mgedminobvious in retrospect: you can't deploy an app with Qt Creator while you're installing software updates in the background16:31
jabisCorsac: mp-harmattan-0 20.2011.40-4, but only after apt-get --reinstall install of it16:31
mgedmin##@$^ aegis and its "every binary must be in a deb" requirement #$@%@!16:32
jabisCorsac: at first boot my locales were fried and the dialer-pads threw up all over the place with qtn_comm_label-stuff16:33
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javispedromgedmin: Venemo found that seemingly you can run arbitrary binarys as the "developer" user if I understood it correctly16:33
jabis(and as nothing else worked, neither did ScreenShot) would've made a nice bug report attachment16:33
Venemojavispedro, yes, in developer mode, since 39-516:33
mgedminhmm, lemmetest16:33
SpeedEvilI have - on my latest one, ..16:34
SpeedEvilyeah that16:34
faenilit seems like only people with pr_001 got the update ( I have 009)16:34
mgedminoh, cool, shell scripts now work!16:34
Corsacjabis: note that I do have the update but don't have the correct running kernel either16:34
jabisstaggered/cascaded update16:34
jabisyou'll just have to be patient faenil16:34
faenilyeah :(16:34
jabisfaenil, also it'll bork your cameras, so dunno if it's worth it x)16:35
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jabis( _can_ bork your camera's)16:35
fralsit wont physically bork your camera...16:35
jabisyeh just aegis(?) preventing the use of some lib16:36
jabisdoing its stuff16:36
fralsdoubt its aegis fault16:36
fralsi guess some step in the update process just fails and its left in a weird state since the version string is not updated in About when that happens afaiu16:37
mgedmincorrection: there's no autocapitalization in xterm16:37
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jabisfrals: Nov  9 16:37:53 (2011) kernel: [52518.421081] Aegis: cannot measure file orcexec.6dkFi5 (process: camera-ui)16:38
jabisso the end result (camera not working) is most definately an aegis fault generated from improper packaging I'd suppose16:39
mgedminthe orcs took over!16:40
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janpodHi all. I'm having problems serious problems with camera after PR1.1 update. Any help available?16:44
jabisno resolution as of yet, janpod, welcome to the club16:45
jabisI was just discussing this x)16:45
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janpodjabis: Thanks. This sucks really bad. Bad software rollout I suppose.16:47
alteregoWhat problem with the camera?16:47
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jabisalterego: N9 PR1.1 borks camera on many occasions16:47
jabisalterego: same problem as with N950 in the bug tracker16:47
alteregoIt's working fine for me ..16:47
janpodCamera UI doesn't start... it says (notiifcation) The camera is not responding. Try again or restart the device if the problem continues.16:48
jabis Nov  9 16:37:53 (2011) kernel: [52518.421081] Aegis: cannot measure file orcexec.6dkFi5 (process: camera-ui)16:48
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* decibyte was just about to say the same as alterego16:48
jabisalterego: decibyte ^16:48
alteregoSo it's not too reproducable then.16:49
Corsacwell, it seems that a lot of people indeed reproduced it :)16:49
alteregoI count two so far :P16:49
janpodNov  9 15:06:26 (2011) camera[1819]: Setting camera pipeline to running state failed.16:49
jabishave you looked at them maemo/meego-boards lately - and the bugtracker16:49
jabisNov  9 16:37:42 (2011) camera[2362]: Camera pipeline error:  "Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem.  Please file a bug at" , "camerabingeneral.c(61): gst_camerabin_add_element (): /GstCameraBin:QCameraCameraBin: linking capsfilter3 failed" , 716:49
jabisNov  9 16:37:43 (2011) applifed[966]: Application '' released from prestarted state, count=116:49
alteregoAnd not reproducable if they can't do it every time :P16:49
jabisI can do it every time - not a single camera application works16:50
mgedminjabis, camera works for me, and I also see "Aegis: cannot measure file orcexec.iPbhQV (process: camera-ui)" in my dmesg (3 times)16:50
fralsalterego: its more than two ;)16:50
alteregoOh well :)16:50
Fryecamera works fine for me too16:50
alteregoI guess I should be thankful it's not the case with mine ;)16:50
FryeSo well that my DSLR is staying in it's bag =)16:50
janpodMe too. I also noticed that PhoneTorch doesn't work after update to PR1.116:50
jabisyup phonetorch is borken too16:51
FryeSo far only issue is with gof2 crashing all the time. And with that I can live ;-)16:51
alteregoSounds like firmware might be screwed16:51
alteregoHave you tried reflashing?16:51
jabisreflashing with what - no navifirm16:51
jabisrelease of the PR1.116:51
Fryebtw how did you upgrade the devices if the camera is working, could it be something with that?16:51
FryeI used ota update16:51
janpodOTA Wifi16:52
Fryewont explain then16:52
CorsacNov  9 15:51:56 (2011) cellular: csd[655]: simatk_report_event_notification:460 Building and sending ATK_REPORT_EVENT_NTF -message16:52
decibytecamera, flash, phonetorch -- all working for me16:52
Corsacthat looks weird too16:52
CorsacI have a lot of them :/16:52
jabisOTA WiFi, it borked a lot of stuff in first boot, like locales and dialer ui16:52
janpodyes but how do we repeat update. Regular linux disto allows for easy update16:53
jabis(since there is no image for the 40-4 firmware I'm stuck - as you can't flash a prior image)16:53
mgedmin"applifed[1011]: Amount of free memory dropped below threshold, re-prestart disabled" -> applifed keeps spamming this to syslog every second16:54
janpodwell that's just nice :(16:54
jabisand apt-get --reinstall (all of the packages regarding harmattan-pr, nokia components and so on) didn't do jackshit16:54
Corsacjabis: did you actually try to downflash?16:54
jabisCorsac: with one phone yes - and it resulted in bootloop16:55
jabis(it wasn't my own - as I was against even trying)16:55
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jabisI guess I could do it as my kernel version is the same as prior update, tho I believe it would be even messier16:56
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janpodtha's what I faoud as well Kernel version stays the same only PR1.1 on product page updates16:57
jabisso at least I suspect the kernel wasn't properly flashed -> modules somewhat incompatible16:57
jabisand yes - I did as with 950 and reset the phone BEFORE OTA'ing16:58
jabisso a mint out of stock N9 got phucked by the PR1.1 ;)16:59
Corsacjanpod: product page?16:59
jabisCorsac, settings -> about product16:59
Corsacyeah ok17:00
janpodproduct page says PR1.1 (10.2011.34-1_PR_001) it shold be 20.2011.40 something.17:00
Corsacyeah but it's unrelated to the kernel, imho17:00
jabisVersion 1.1 ( 10.2011.34-1_PR_001 )17:00
Corsacbut I'd be interested by dpkg -l kernel and uname -a17:00
jabis kernel                                        2.6.32-20113701.10+0m617:01
janpoduname -a: Linux RM696 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 19 21:10:50 EEST 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux17:01
faenilcan you add Harmattan target in Experimental submenu in QtSdk?17:01
jabisLinux RM696 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 19 21:10:50 EEST 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux17:01
faenilI can't, it says there's a missing dependency (QEmu) ....but QEmu is already installed17:01
Corsacjabis, janpod: thanks, could you add that information to ?17:02
janpoddpkg -l kernel: kernel         2.6.32-2011370 Flashable Linux kernel17:02
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jabisCorsac, in addition to that - the gconfd2 hooks failed to fire for me, so I had to reinstall the harmattan-pr package before the UI got usable :)17:08
decibytemine says something newer than janpod and jabis17:08
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jabisyes - the kernel version17:09
jabis(in use kernel version) that is17:09
jabisI see the packages are there but the flashing somehow didn't take place/went fuxors17:09
Corsacyeah, but some people have the correct running kernels too17:10
jabis(this why I usually wait for images instead of OTA but I wanted swype & audio controls so bad -.- )17:10
jabis*wonders whether apt-get install--reinstall kernel would trigger the fiasco again*17:12
mgedminI wish the pdf reader remembered which page I had open last time17:13
faenilmmm I start my app from pc (deploy it on the n9)17:13
faenilwhen it rusn17:13
faenilnothing happens on the n917:13
faenilbut on the console it's stuck at Found v1.4 driver, enabling brokenTexSubImage17:13
mgedminfaenil, any qml errors on the console?17:14
faenilany idea of what's wrong?17:14
mgedminalthough that usually shows up as a blank black screen on the n917:14
faenilUsing the meego graphics system Found SGX/MBX driver, enabling FullClearOnEveryFrame  Found v1.4 driver, enabling brokenTexSubImage17:14
faenilthis is all17:14
faenilnothing shows17:14
Corsacjabis: I manually tried that, it didn't work17:14
Corsacjabis: the fiasco stuff is in kernel-flasher package, but it just schedules the flash for the next reboot17:15
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faeniltrying removing and adding harmattan target back17:16
Corsacha but that might be because getbootstate is always a “User requested reboot”17:17
Corsacand not a FLASH reboot17:17
faenildoesn't work...17:17
faenilI'm pissed17:17
Corsacnote that I'm not sure what is broken by not upgrading the kernel17:17
Corsac(and since sources aren't available, we can't guess)17:18
faenilhope it's not because I don't have pr1.1.17:19
jabisI'm pissed because I do have SEMI-pr1.1 x)17:20
Corsacwhat do you mean?17:20
faenileven the icon is not shown in menu...17:20
faenilonly green icon, no qt icon17:20
mgedminI've that too!17:22
mgedminthe app I'm mocking up shows up in the app menu as a plain green icon, and doesn't start when clicked17:22
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mgedminbut when I do a deploy from the qt creator, it starts up fine17:23
mgedminah! the desktop file is wrong17:24
faenilI've let it recreate...removed and added harmattan again17:24
mgedminI named my project 'brogue-qml', qt creator removed the '-' in some places, but forgot to remove it from the .desktop file17:24
faenilit seems correct heer17:25
mgedmindevel-su, vi -> app menu instantly changed the icon to the right one17:25
mgedminand it works now17:25
faenilExec=invoker --single-instance --type=e /opt/3DCrossword/bin/3DCrossword17:25
mgedminthank you for solving my problem :)17:25
mgedminfaenil, try ls /opt --> perhaps qt creator lowercased the name?17:25
faenilit's correct17:27
mgedminoh, duh, I'm an idiot -- of course it's correct, you saw the app start up (all those Meego graphics system messages)17:28
faenilyes but nothing showed on n917:28
faenilnot even in multitasking view17:28
faenilhow's that possible17:30
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Corsacarg, nokia bugzilla doesn't send mail when a bug I reported is updated17:31
faenildammit :(17:32
faenilany idea people?17:34
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jabisCorsac: too bad there isn't the /usr/bin/flash-and-reboot as with N900 -.-17:39
mgedminfaenil, can you share your code somewhere? pastebin the qml files, e.g.?17:41
faenilit's not that..17:42
faenilit always worked on n95017:42
mgedminoh, interesting17:42
faenilthere were some 3dcrossword (DC not capital)17:43
faenilin control and rules files17:43
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jabiswonder whether fiasco-flasher -f -k image would do the trick *hmm*17:44
faenilI changed them to 3DCrossword, and now it says package contains illegal character D17:44
faenilwhat's wrong with the capital D?17:45
faenilpackage name can't have capital letters?17:46
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Venemojoppu, ping17:47
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Corsacjabis: read /etc/init/flash-check.conf18:07
Corsacjabis: but I'm reluctant to do that in a full booted harmattan18:07
Corsacjabis: a solution would be to force a restart in FLASH mode but I don't know how to do that18:07
Hq`faenil: that's true, see
faenilok...I'm trying to convert everything...but it doesn't still installs to 3DCrossword...18:08
faenilwhen can I change the installation path18:08
faenilI have converted the name in all project files18:08
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jabisCorsac: ye I came across that one too, wonder what carries the flag over the reboot -.-18:10
faenil'3dcrossword': incorrect package name18:11
jabisCorsac: cat /etc/init.d/minireboot18:13
jabisCorsac, so one needs to write a /tmp/.BOOT_MODE with the correct flag that's carried to /sbin/reboot -d 0 -f $mode18:14
jabissetting it incorrectly would prolly brick the phone x)18:15
faenil3dcrossword incorrect package name...why why why!!!18:16
faenilthis is really annoying...18:20
decibytenot that i know anything, but are digits allowed as the first character of the package name?18:20
decibytei guess they are18:21
faenilso do i18:21
decibyteat least in ubuntu, also based on debian18:21
toninikkanendo you have a package named "9wm" or similar available, easy way to check if starting with a digit is allowed :)18:22
faenilit reports no error about name, as it did with 3DCrossword18:22
faenilInstalling package to sysroot ... '3dcrossword': incorrect package name18:23
faenilThis package name is used for your application in the Ovi Store. Make sure that the package name: starts with an alphanumeric character.18:24
grifaenil: What are you doing? Packaging is not that hard :D18:25
faenilwhy the hell isn't it working!18:25
faenilit did with n950!18:26
griwell, you can also try: remove qtc_packaging and the .pro.user file18:26
griand open the project again with qtcreator - it will regenerate qtc_packaging18:27
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faenil_damn connection18:27
grigrr :D18:27
faenil_gri: rewrite if you wrote anything please18:27
gri<gri> well, you can also try: remove qtc_packaging and the .pro.user file18:27
gri<gri> and open the project again with qtcreator - it will regenerate qtc_packaging18:27
faenil_I get disconnected and no notice...-.-18:27
faenil_I have already done that 3 times18:27
faenil_even the icon is not recognized, the green icon is shown, not the qt one18:28
griwell, pastebin your .desktop file then please18:28
faenil_not much there...18:28
faenil_xwindow-icon is probably the issue for the icon...but why shouldn't it start18:30
faenil_and report 3dcrossword: incorrect package name18:30
faenil_while trying to install to sysroot18:30
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griare your files correctly deployed?18:30
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faenil_it says Successfully uploaded package file18:31
faenil_Package created. Installing package to sysroot ... '3dcrossword': incorrect package name  Preparing SFTP connection... Starting upload... Successfully uploaded package file. Installing package to device...18:31
grihmm ok no idea when I can't try this here :)18:32
grican you start your program with ssh?18:32
grivia invoker?18:32
faenil_./3dcrossword doesn't work18:34
faenil_I mean18:34
faenil_the console gets stuck on18:34
faenil_driver 1.4 loaded18:34
faenil_something like that18:34
faenil_I'm on win atm18:35
grisometimes this is mysterious - like my application also only crashes on a certain d-bus call when it's started via invoker, without invoker it works well18:35
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gribtw. you should consider using --type=d again, since e is this one:
faenil_just tried, no change18:39
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faenil_deleted all .o and stuff18:45
faenil_still same thing18:45
faenil_I hate this...18:45
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griI hope you use some versioning system18:45
griand have backups :)18:46
faenil_it's not that...I changed nothing...18:48
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faenil_the bin file which is deployed on the device is 300kb18:54
faenil_the one in 3dcrossword main folder is 2.2mb18:54
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tommafaenil_, it is stripped of debug symbos18:55
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faenil_main thing is, why doesn't it start ... -.-18:57
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faenil_I think I should try an example app on the n919:10
faenil_this is getting weirder and weirder19:10
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Sazpaimon_jonni, thanks for the heads up19:16
Sazpaimon_(belated, I know)19:17
Sazpaimon_I believe my N9 is of the australian variant19:17
Sazpaimon_are all N9's imported from expansys australian?19:17
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tommafaenil_, maybe you could paste log from deploying and running application from terminal?19:21
faenil_running app from terminal stops at19:21
faenil_Found v1.4 driver, enabling brokenTexSubImage19:21
faenil_but the application is open19:21
faenil_just nothing shows in multitasking nor on screen19:21
jabisCorsac: ping me if you find a resolution - I'm off to get goodies & beer :)19:21
faenil_it works perfectly on Desktop...19:22
tommafaenil_, but what does it say before that?19:23
tommaforexample if it cant find your qml or something19:23
faenil_Using the meego graphics system Found SGX/MBX driver, enabling FullClearOnEveryFrame  Found v1.4 driver, enabling brokenTexSubImage19:23
faenil_that's all it says19:23
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Sazpaimon_I would kill for a proper remote desktop program19:24
tommahmm... are you creating declarative view? because thats what it will tell you next?19:24
Sazpaimon_either vnc or RDP via rdesktop/freerdp19:24
Sazpaimon_with VKB support19:24
Sazpaimon_so people not in the #N950Fanclub can play19:25
Sazpaimon_i already easily ported rdesktop over, but its useless on an N9 without vkb19:25
tommadeveloper-mode installs x11vnc19:25
tommabut didn't work well with n950 and it is some old legacy version19:26
faenil_tomma: the same code works on desktop19:26
Sazpaimon_x11vnc is a vnc SERVER19:26
faenil_(where I test it)19:26
Sazpaimon_i mean a remote desktop client19:26
Sazpaimon_so i can RDP into a windows machine ala rdesktop for N90019:26
trxrdesktop can be compiled for harmattan without modifications i believe19:26
trxbut no vkb, and Ctrl+key doesn't work19:26
Sazpaimon_thats what I said19:27
Sazpaimon_i already have rdesktop compiled for harmattan, but its usless19:27
Sazpaimon_i cant do anything19:27
tommaSazpaimon_, i can try to compile one for you... but i am not sure how to handle vkb with it19:27
trxi missed that, sorry19:28
faenil_tomma: and I have QDeclarativeItem which I use in qml, which is created (qWarning in the constructor is called) but the paint() is never called19:28
Sazpaimon_what the N9 needs is a program like symrdp19:28
trxyeah, pretty much useless19:28
Sazpaimon_symrdp is an RDP client designed for symbian touch phones19:28
Sazpaimon_the company seems defunct now19:28
Sazpaimon_but there are demo videos of how it works on youtube19:28
Sazpaimon_ here is a good one19:29
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Sazpaimon_it has its own vkb designed to emulate a standard PC keyboard19:30
faenil_could it be that qt 4.8 handles QDeclarativeItems in a different way?19:30
faenil_that could explain why it starts on desktop and doesn't on n919:30
Sazpaimon_and controls on the top for menu, show keyboard, and toggle mouse button19:30
Sazpaimon_and when the rdp window is too large, it has scroll bars19:30
faenil_oh but I don't have pr1.1 so it should be using 4.7.419:30
Sazpaimon_i assume none of this can be done using native harmattan components, so they would have to be done prety much exactly how symrdp works19:31
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Sazpaimon_(scrolling, customizing the vkb beyond T9 and qwerty)19:31
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Sazpaimon_anyway yeah it'd be a bit of a task for someone better versed in qml than I am to write a frontend for rdesktop19:32
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Sazpaimon_or perferably freerdp, which is an enhanced fork of rdesktop19:32
Sazpaimon_like I said though, it'd be a huge asset to anyone that uses the N9 seriously like me19:33
Corsacjabis: seems that the bootstate is taken from the bootmode in /proc/cmdline, so maybe setting the bootarg to bootmode=update might trigger the update19:33
Sazpaimon_and one less reason for me to carry around my N900 and waste battery life wifi tethering19:33
Corsacbut I wouldn't mess with that :/19:33
Sazpaimon_anyway, I've rambled on too much on this matter19:34
Sazpaimon_but thats one app ive been killing for19:34
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Sazpaimon_well, that and a picodrive port, but that'll come in due time19:34
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faenil_I'm really getting angry about this19:37
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Stskeepsmoo wazd20:38
jonniCorsac: with what command did you check your kernel version?20:39
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jabisjonni: dpkg -l kernel , cat /proc/version , uname -r20:49
javispedro"... as we've "just said no to NAT" in this phase of our IPv6 transition."20:49
X-FadeDoes anybody have an idea what to up in the desktop file to not let an application show up in the icon list?20:49
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infobotX-Fade meant: Does anybody have an idea what to put in the desktop file to not let an application show up in the icon list?20:49
Chaz6Too bad you have to enable developer mode for ipv6 :/20:50
javispedroChaz6: what's wrong with devmode? the phone be useless without devmode to me...20:51
Chaz6It should be supported out of the box20:51
javispedroheh, good point.20:51
javispedroX-Fade: I think you can put something like NotShowIn=X-Meego; or ShowOnlyIn=X-NotMeego;20:52
jabisCorsac: I'm not as daring either20:52
jonniX-Fade:   rm desktopfile      :)20:52
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javispedrojonni: desktopfiles have other purposes, e.g. mimetypes20:53
X-Fadejavispedro: Hmm yeah, I already have that in there.20:53
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javispedroX-Fade: I am quite sure NotShowIn works, I've used it a few times20:53
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X-Fadejavispedro: Maybe I have a typo then :)20:54
X-FadeThey show up as green icons now.20:54
jabisCorsac: minireboot does just that, it reads the flag (if it's set) from the .BOOT_MODE file in tmp, so the danger is that after flashing the kernel, it'll issue a reboot - and the file would still be there == bootloop everflasher x)20:54
javispedroX-Fade: grep /usr/share/applications/* for NotShowIn, there are a few examples I see20:54
Corsacjonni: uname -a / cat /proc/version20:55
jabisCorsac: so basically a .BOOT_MODE consisting of "update" should do the trick20:56
X-Fadejavispedro: I have exactly that.20:56
jabisI wish I had more guts x)20:56
javispedroX-Fade: :S20:57
* javispedro ponders21:00
javispedroX-Fade: if you long tap on the launcher, does it appear with the X icon?21:00
X-Fadejavispedro: No, that is the strange part :)21:01
javispedroif it was appearing with such an icon I'd have said to look into the installer-extra subdir in /usr/share/applications :P21:03
X-FadeLet me get another device to test it out. Maybe it is a bug in my particular version of firmware.21:03
javispedroor a lack of reboot or some garbage remaining from a previous installation21:03
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jonniX-Fade: NoDisplay should also be supported keyword "NoDisplay means "this application exists, but don't display it in the menus". This can be useful to e.g. associate this application with MIME types, so that it gets launched from a file manager (or other apps), without having a menu entry for it (there are tons of good reasons for this, including e.g. the netscape -remote, or kfmclient openURL kind of stuff). "21:11
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faenilhas anyone tried plasmaactive image on n95021:18
deramfor the delete X to appear when longtapping, I'd guess that the homescreen must know which package installed that desktop file, as it does proper uninstall21:18
X-Fadejonni: Thanks, will check it out.21:21
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tommahmm... did they broke something with new toolchain? seems like MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN is not defined... or was it supposed to be?21:46
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tommaah... nevermind...21:52
mgedminum, how do I take screenshots on the N9 again?21:53
jabismgedmin: install screenshot from ovi21:56
merlin1991no need for screenshot21:56
jabistoo bad I can't test because my cameras are borkd x)21:57
mgedminoh, come ON! "To disconnect from an automatically used network, you have to change the network to a manually used network."21:59
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mgedminmerlin1991, there's no gst-launch-0.10 on the N9 in PR 1.1, do I need to apt-get install something?22:00
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mgedminidea: netview + screenshot the vnc client22:02
BluesLeei have a problem here, i cant import contacts via bt from n900 to n9, it says "transfer failed"22:02
mgedmincrap, doesn't fit on my screen22:02
merlin1991mgedmin: gst-tools22:04
merlin1991should be in the sdk repo22:05
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: I see two suspicious tokens in there, %F (is this meant to work?) and the ";" at end of line, which may or may not mess the parser up22:05
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: non-visible chars, like spaces at end of line, non-printing chars, and msdos-linefeeds are another thing to check22:07
mgedminmerlin1991, thanks!22:08
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BluesLeeokay, got it, bt was on but also flight modus22:09
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Corsacis there a way to select some terms in a message or a mail and paste them to maps?22:11
DocScrutinizerok, the ";" seems common on all *.desktop22:12
* npm realizes my old tuner card has RCA ins that record N900/N950 video/audio22:12
* npm watches n950 through mplayer22:12
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mgedminwaaah my sshfs is stuck22:16
DocScrutinizervnc hardwired ;-D22:16
mgedmincan't unmount, can't mount anything on top, can't ls parent directory - - processes just hang22:16
DocScrutinizernot unknown22:16
deramtry kill the ssh22:17
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deramthat has helped me on my desktop some times22:17
DocScrutinizerI heard you *could* even remount22:17
blade_runnersomeone is having problem using ResourcePolicy::AudioResource together with pulse?22:17
mgedminderam, thank you forever!22:18
mgedminI owe you $beer22:18
blade_runnerbasically it acquires the resource but do not emit any sound after that22:18
DocScrutinizermgedmin:  -o reconnect              reconnect to server22:19
mgedminDocScrutinizer, I never figured out how to make *that* work22:19
DocScrutinizerdunno if it could help you out22:19
mgedminmy newest mockup:
mgedminBrogue for N922:19
mgedminwould be nice if somebody made it real :)22:19
npm<merlin1991> mgedmin: -->  there's no gst-launch-0.10 on the N9 in PR 1.1 --> I believe i had to install gst-launch but i can't remember22:19
merlin1991npm I think you have to install gst-tools22:21
npmyeah that's it22:21
npmavail but not there by default22:22
npmbtw, i sped up capture a bit by writing to remote filesystem22:22
npmgst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc ! videorate ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! multipartmux ! fdsink fd=1 | ssh npm@usb0 "cat > /media/gnulem-npm/Documents/screenlapse.mjpeg"22:22
npmwrites the file over USB ethernet via SSH pipe to SDK host computer, which then writes file over ethernet to my desktop22:23
npmmeans no need to write files locally22:23
npmon handset22:23
merlin1991I noticed that the very first screenshot takes some time, but then it's faster22:25
deramyou'd get faster startup with using raw tcp stream instead of ssh, but that needs commands to be run on both device and desktop22:27
merlin1991npm: btw thanks for that forum post, saved me some trouble when trying to take a screenshot of the vkbd on the n900 (how does one press ctrl+shift+p without using the keyboard) :D22:27
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crevetorWhat's going on with the cobs ?22:33
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MohammadAGjavispedro, got my memo?22:43
npmmerlin1991: yeah i pretty much do everything over ssh via a terminal running on my desktop22:43
npmso i wouldn't mind having an n9 so much :-)22:43
javispedroMohammadAG: got a pm :)22:44
javispedro(you, I mean.)22:44
npmbtw, i got some requests for to be able to send the audio message via sms/mail in addition to the transcribed text22:45
npmand that's what i wanted too22:45
npmbut how does one ask the mailer to include an attachment?22:46
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npmmailto: does a lot but not that22:46
npm( )22:47
npmseems to work better22:48
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tommaany of you have problems accessing git repo in
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npmthe internet is down?22:54
* npm wonders if there's a mailer/sms interface via dbus ala: qdbus /callhistory \
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npmholy crap that worked22:56
npmjoys of dbus22:56
npm~ $  qdbus /callhistory \
npmis specific command that worked22:57
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mjahm now that there is a PageStackWindow for symbian, is it still impossible to include those components that are actually required within one qml-file (i.e. symbian components on symbian, harmattan components on harmattan)?22:59
npmcan someone remind how i can lookup all the names associated w/ 'org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Client.Messaging'''  'org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Client.Messaging'22:59
mjaI have two qml-files that are identical besides the components section22:59
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* javispedro is going to london this weekend23:00
javispedroany place I could get to see a live N9?23:00
djszapifaenil: so what is this aegis swearing again ?23:00
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faenildjszapi: wait I'll give you a link to the log where they were talking about it ;)23:01
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_Aranel_Nokia N9 PR1.1 bricked and I can't flash via Navifirm, "Downgrade disallowed". What should I do now?23:02
mgedmincontact Nokia Care?23:02
faenildjszapi: Nov  9 16:37:53 (2011) kernel: [52518.421081] Aegis: cannot measure file orcexec.6dkFi5 (process: camera-ui)23:02
MohammadAG_Aranel_, wait till they give us a flasher23:02
MohammadAGthis kinda sucks23:02
MohammadAGthey should have an image ready23:02
javispedrofaenil: that happens on my n950 too, and it is usually harmless.23:02
_Aranel_no rescue mode, or revert  back to factory or something? really? that really sucks :|23:03
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faeniljavispedro: I'm just reporting something people said on chat today, because 2 people couldn't get camera to start after updating to pr1.123:03
javispedrothat's probably because of the kernel issue23:03
_Aranel_mgedmin: Nokia wouldnt Care since it's not released in Turkey yet.23:03
javispedroI know that the camera v4l interface changed between pr1.0 and pr1.123:04
* djszapi is really happy about the Gluon talk feedbacks23:04
javispedroI am not sure it is incompatible.... but it changed...23:04
faenilanyway, here's the link djszapi, if you want to give it a look, but don't get mad at me :D23:04
faenildjszapi: I'm glad that they appreciated it :D23:04
djszapifaenil: I will not ruin my phanatastic day with few trolls ;)23:04
faenildjszapi: what was it about? gluon in general?23:04
djszapiGaming Freedom23:04
faenildjszapi: good choice ;)23:05
faenilas in what? :)23:05
djszapias in Gaming Freedom :)23:05
djszapiKnut Yrwin was the chair thingie23:05
djszapibut he did not start break dancing :)23:05
* djszapi is wearing his lovely Gluon T-Shirt :p23:06
faenilwhat's in ur glass dude? :D23:07
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djszapiHello Laszlo! Can you upload your real photo here ? This photo would be shown in presentations agenda on big screen and such pictures are not acceptable Thank, X :D23:08
faenilahah :D23:08
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lbtApparently Pixmania in UK are selling the N923:13
* npm reads up on
jabis_goddamnit - DC under a ddos again23:13
ajalkaneI've heard Pixmania is quite unreliable.23:14
ajalkaneI mean, if there's a problem with the order or the device you get, they can be a nuisance to deal with.23:14
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faenildjszapi: oh what a nice boy on that photo :D23:17
nid0fwiw i've only dealt with pixmania for one product which broke in its first year and they were pretty good at sorting the rma and getting it sent off to the manu for repair23:18
djszapithe camera ui thingie is known fact. Has nothing to do with aegis though in terms of the issue location23:18
ajalkaneWho knows, maybe they're better today. In Finland there was some years ago quite much bad publicity of Pixmania.23:19
ajalkaneI've ordered a digicam from them many years ago and had no problems.23:19
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nid0its not pixmania selling the n9's in the uk anyway tho, but some 3rd party seller they have23:20
nid0and its expensive, prolly better to stick to expansys :p23:20
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nid0wish id ordered mine from there :<23:21
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ajalkaneWish I had money to order/buy mine from anywhere :-P23:22
tommaany of you have problems accessing your git repositories in
djszapiaegis ? :)23:24
jabis_djszapi, nice that the same regression got onboard with N9 PR1.1 then23:24
jabis_"a known thingie" - thanks for sharing it to my retail device x)23:25
ajalkanelol... DJ's joking about aegis problems. Good that all the complaining is not anymore getting on your nerves.23:26
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djszapijabis_ think you are ringing the wrong bells...I am not responsible for that stuff in any way23:26
jabis_just amuzed about your reaction ;)23:26
jabis_not pinpointing -.-23:26
rafael2kpeople, what are you using for msn? any status of pidgin port?23:27
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ajalkaneI haven't used MSN for something like 10 years. But when I used it, Jabber routers worked well for it23:27
jabis_the thing is - I did not have camera issues on PR 1.0, whilst 1.1 update borked my camera, AND it was a known issue on 950 - that's what's actually bugging me23:28
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ajalkaneRzR has gotten MSN working with those Jabber thingies.23:28
ajalkaneI have no problems with 1.1 on N95023:28
ajalkaneWith camera that is23:28
jabis_(and aegis didn't bitch about the camera-ui got no bitchings about aegis and orcs invading23:28
augustlwhy does ubuntu have superior font rendering to gnome 3? :S23:29
petteriso the camera problem was that kernel was not flashed due to a some app (using the camera) behaving badly23:29
rafael2kso no native msn app for harmattan yet?23:29
augustlwrong channel ><23:29
ajalkanerafael2k: no23:29
jabis_petteri, vanilla N9 - resetted before attempting OTA23:29
djszapijabis_: while keep complaining, you could probably just re-flash anyway23:29
petteriwas it the flashlight?23:30
rafael2k<- need to compile N900 pidgin23:30
jabis_djszapi: with what? there is no image -.-23:30
ajalkaneis this why flashlight was removed from Nokia Store?23:30
djszapijabis_: there indeed is23:30
jabis_djszapi: 34-1 there is - not 40-423:30
faenildjszapi: where is it :D I still have no pr1.123:31
faenilI think you can't downgrade..23:31
jabis_I'm talking about N923:31
ajalkaneFlashlight was a nice app. But Phonetorch is just as good, so doesn't matter. It was just peculiar as it just vanished from store.23:31
jabis_OTA update that fucked the phone23:31
jabis_not 950 (which had the same problem)23:31
petterihopefully the camera problem will get sorted out. Ours (mine and girlfriends) N9s upgraded nicely23:32
djszapijabis_: could you please read the first result on google ?23:32
djszapipretty well-discussed thread really ..23:32
Venemogood evening guys :)23:33
djszapiVenemo: p/23:33
Venemodjszapi, o723:34
jabis_djszapi: if you were pretty involved with that you'd see I've already contributed on that thread and YOU CAN'T FLASH YOUR N9 WITH A PRIOR FW :)23:34
jabis_pretty well-discussed but not resolved :)23:35
djszapiI do not really see your problem23:36
jabis_and no - the answer with one carrying the same symptoms resulted in a bootloop, and another which the flasher refused to flash because the kernel was newer - so two distinct different failed OTA's with exactly the same symptoms23:37
djszapiyou got all the answers and even relevant thread.23:37
jabis_all the answers - mind to elaborate?23:37
djszapiwhat makes you still complain ?23:37
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faenildjszapi: you say "reflash" but he can't reflash, because you can't downgrade, that's the problem he's talking about :)23:38
djszapifaenil: nobody said to downgrade, do not misinterpret me please23:38
jabis_a) my camera doesn't work and b) you haven't answered to any of them questions by saying "hey google - pretty discussed topic" :)23:38
* djszapi does not really understand why people cannot read ...23:38
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jabis_djszapi: you did - "re-flash" - with what - there is no image - there is - no there isn't23:38
DocScrutinizerI face the problem of irc chanops usually mustn't /ignore as otherwise they miss due /bans23:38
faenildjszapi: there's no 40-4 image out, so the only way to reflash is to downgrade, do you agree? :)23:38
djszapijabis_: *shurgs* I said you can reflash anyway (implying whenever there an image is, as I *did* say it is a know bug)23:39
infobotrumour has it, djs is
jabis_djszapi: hand me over the 40-4 image and I'll be happy to reflash23:39
djszapiseriously cumbersome discussion23:39
DocScrutinizer~wiki troll23:40
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{About|the mythical beings|other uses|Troll (disambiguation)}} {{pp-semi-indef|small=yes}}{{pp-move-indef}} ]] A 'troll' is a supernatural being in Scandinavian folklore and mythology. In origin, the term "troll" was a generally negative synonym for a "jötunn" (plural "jötnar") being in Norse mythology. In later Scandinavian folklore, trolls became beings in their own right, typically23:40
djszapijabis_: ok sure hold on ....23:40
faenildjszapi: if you don't have 40-4 image you can't reflash, stop :)23:40
djszapiyes you can, when it is available23:40
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, lol :)23:40
djszapisince I *DID* say it isa  known bug23:40
djszapiseriously implying people working on it23:41
faenilyes I understand that you said it is a known bug :)23:41
faenilso you're saying to wait for the image right?23:41
djszapiyes of course ... pretty clear.23:41
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faenilok, good, I think this was not clear to other people :)23:41
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javispedroyou all shut up now, you're interrupting my minesweeper game.23:41
javispedro( ;P )23:41
DocScrutinizer/mode #harmattan +q *23:42
faenilhey I've been deopped XD23:42
djszapifaenil: I do not even understand what you thought after saying it is a known bug, and the image is not available.23:42
DocScrutinizermissed your 5 min23:42
djszapithat is why I did not understand the issue ...23:42
djszapiall needed patience ...23:42
jabis_"what's all this ruccuss - what's the trouble I keep hearing - it's a known thingy - what can you do about it - reflash - with what - there is no spoon..."23:43
jabis_thanks for the convo anyways ;)23:43
djszapijabis_: I will not help next time23:43
djszapiI am tired of this23:43
faenildjszapi: reread conversation, you were not clear about having to wait for the image...we all misunderstood :) but it's ok ;) don't get mad if you and other people misunderstood eachother ;)23:44
jabis_djszapi: to be precise - I haven't received any help from you prior, and based on this discussion, haven't had now, so please thank GOD don't help me in the future if that's your input on a _known thingie_23:44
DocScrutinizer§1 djszapi always states correct things   §2 if $1 doesn't apply, we fix the chanlogs23:45
ajalkaneI can understand N9 users confusion. I think there has been no reflashable images officially available even for PR1.0, not to mention PR1.1. We N950 users are blessed in that way.23:45
djszapiI even said what caused it ...23:45
djszapiwhat is wrong with people not reading ?23:46
faenildjszapi: I won't answer again, don't want to feed the fire ;)23:46
jabis_21:38 < faenil> djszapi: you say "reflash" but he can't reflash, because you can't downgrade, that's the problem he's talking about :)23:46
DocScrutinizerajalkane: for PR1.0 there are, tho not "official"23:46
djszapijabis_: you are seriously tiresome23:46
djszapisee above: "broken exif/exempi data being inserted. ..."23:46
ajalkaneDocScrutinizer: yeah, that's why I said officially. Navifirm is not something most people, especially those without Windows ;), will use23:47
djszapiyou got all the answers really23:47
djszapiand you are offensing the person who helped..23:47
DocScrutinizerthough there's MrCrab23:47
jabis_how did you help tharr?23:47
ajalkanedjszapi: I'm half the time not sure if you're trolling on purpose or if there is a genuine language barrier here. You said "23:29 < djszapi> jabis_: while keep complaining, you could probably just  re-flash anyway23:47
ajalkanewhich implies jabis could just now re-flash instead of complaining.23:48
djszapiajalkane: It was cleared what I meant to say.23:48
djszapiplease do not start it all over again23:48
DocScrutinizerok, I'm absolutely temped now to kickban23:48
djszapijabis_: you did get the reason why it is a known broken matter...23:48
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djszapiseriously, what is not clear ? Told it more times.23:49
jabis_djszapi: it was NOT clear anyway, dude23:49
jabis_djszapi: "stop bitching and reflash" - that's offensive23:49
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djszapiI am not getting why you argue23:49
faenildjszapi: so please accept you were not clear at the beginning :) you said reflash instead of complaining ;) come on guys, let's stop it here, we all understood that we have to wait for the image, and that this is a known bug lots of people are seriously working on ;) peace! :D23:49
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djszapiyou have all the answers needed23:49
merlin1991fsckd, where's my n923:49
faeniland to all: djszapi is a great person in real life, just he's pissed off when he's on this channel :)23:50
DocScrutinizernot my problem23:50
djszapifaenil: I do not need body guards :D23:50
javispedroreminds me of what would happen if lennart were to enter this channel =)23:51
* javispedro hides23:51
jabis_what "answers" your answer was to reflash - without anything to do it with - is that the answer? or google yourself to the death? or point me to a forum I'm already contributing and wondering? WHAT was the actual _answer_? :)23:51
djszapi23:49 < djszapi> you have all the answers needed23:51
faenildjszapi: I did not expect you to be as I saw in real life, you are always angry when u're here, and you answer in hard ways most of the times :P23:51
Venemowhy are you guys still keep arguing?23:52
djszapino idea...23:52
merlin1991javispedro: lennart in here, dunno, the climate might be better than lennert over in #maemo23:52
faenilVenemo: exactly :)23:52
MohammadAGbecause I don't have my N950 yet23:52
arcean_Venemo: +123:52
DocScrutinizerand I'm going to act in hard way soon, on moderating this chan23:52
javispedrobecause I hit a mine23:52
javispedrostupid minesweeper23:52
faenilminesweeper on n950 javis?23:52
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, you suck at moderating23:52
ajalkanedjszapi: As far as I can see, it took some 10 minutes for other people to clear what you meant to say. All I saw you was saying "re-flash instead of complaining".23:52
MohammadAGgimme +o and I'll /mkick23:53
MohammadAGthat'll teach you all!23:53
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: indeed, must relate to my ignore list23:53
javispedrofaenil: no23:53
MohammadAGespecially you ChanServ, I'm onto you23:53
javispedrothought this reminds me I need to clone the old PalmOS minesweeper23:53
faeniljavispedro: ehhe :)23:53
merlin1991hm update popped up here23:53
* merlin1991 is scared23:54
MohammadAGI'm thinking of powering a restaurant POS with Qt23:54
djszapiajalkane: 10 minutes for understanding something ? :D Spent years with guys debugging their stuff and understand :D23:54
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ajalkanedjszapi: but its okay too if you didn't know there's no official re-flasher for N9. But I don't understand why you get all mad about it?23:54
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javispedrois everyone OP on this channel or what?23:54
djszapijavispedro: :D:D23:55
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merlin1991I'm not23:55
merlin1991hint hint ;)23:55
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ajalkanedjszapi: it can take a whole year to understand something sufficiently complex, let alone some instructions without internal coherence ;)23:55
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arcean_merlin1991: haha23:55
javispedroenough, let's try this minesweeping thing again23:55
faenildjszapi: come on please stop it, you were not clear, do not keep saying we did not understand, ok? let's stop it here guys, please! ;)23:56
djszapiajalkane: you did not get, so you made clarification. I clarified it23:56
djszapiI do not understand the problem23:56
MohammadAGnow me me me23:56
djszapiasked for  clarification23:56
MohammadAGno +o for me?23:56
* MohammadAG cries23:56
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faeniluse it MohammadAG23:56
jabis_I'd like to feed my inner troll a bit more23:56
MohammadAGnow I can do what I always wanted to do23:57
faenilrun run run!!23:57
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merlin1991MohammadAG: pfff autorejoin23:57
ajalkanedjszapi: I have no problem. I enjoy almost every line you write here, honestly. I was just interested to see if you're trolling on purpose or on accident.23:57
MohammadAGkick merlin1991, he bitches a lot23:57
djszapiajalkane: I was helping saying the technical reasons from the ground up23:58
jabis_but instead I'll have a beer and see whether the "known thingie" gets resolved fast enough me not ending our company N9 parades over it ^^23:58
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ajalkanedjszapi: that was helpful, indeed.23:58
DocScrutinizerdang, I missed sth helpful due to my ignore list? shit!23:59

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