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| artemma | gri, tried qdbus solution. Works perfectly! Now a trial of never touched (with dev mode) N9 would have confirmed the solution, but I guess dev-mode isn't actually installing anything new | 00:13 |
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| jonni | heres how you see what dev-mode is installing: apt-cache show developer-mode|grep Depends|uniq | 00:19 |
| artemma | trying.. | 00:21 |
| artemma | thanks, jonni , qdbus seems to be not included, so probably it is present in the system from the very beginning | 00:21 |
| artemma | unless it is included as a sub-component into something that dev mode does install | 00:24 |
| artemma | does anybody want to try a new version of daily wallpapers (downloads fresh photos from flickr) | 00:24 |
| artemma | ? | 00:24 |
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| artemma | Does anybody know of any screecasting project for harmattan? Or at least something that could be portable to harmattan? | 00:45 |
| * artemma would like to do screencasts about his apps, but VNCs 10 FPS (or even 5FPS?) is so bad, that it's better to do no video at all | 00:46 | |
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| arcean | artemma: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Capture_movie_directly_from_N9/N950_screen | 00:56 |
| artemma | hmm, interesting | 00:57 |
| artemma | so videos are already possible! | 00:57 |
| * artemma is checking sample video quality | 00:57 | |
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| artemma | well, video is not as smooth as a real experience, but unless you want to show a game, it may be good enough. 15FPS I'd guess | 01:04 |
| artemma | will definitely giv it a try | 01:04 |
| artemma | thanks, arcean! | 01:04 |
| arcean | np ;) | 01:12 |
| artemma | hmm, it can't find gst-launch-0.10 on my device | 01:13 |
| artemma | some package to install from somewhere? | 01:13 |
| arcean | gstreamer-tools | 01:15 |
| arcean | for sure it's in the SDK repo | 01:15 |
| artemma | ok, then I'll google how to install them | 01:17 |
| artemma | apt-get install gstreamer-tools doesn't find them | 01:21 |
| artemma | I guess I need to know some repository address | 01:21 |
| arcean | echo 'deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free' >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/nicks.list | 01:23 |
| arcean | maybe it will work;) | 01:23 |
| artemma | tried, didn't help | 01:25 |
| arcean | also apt-get update didn't help? | 01:25 |
| * MohammadAG grumbles at alterego | 01:26 | |
| * artemma knows real little about apt-get and all the packaging | 01:26 | |
| M4rtinK | any hints how to get rid of the default tool and status bar in PageStackWindow ? | 01:26 |
| artemma | yeah! now apt-get found gstreamer! | 01:26 |
| artemma | arcean: thanks! | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | there are no default tools | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | check the first qml file | 01:27 |
| M4rtinK | completelly ignores showStatusBar : false and showToolBar : false | 01:27 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: you can use just Window | 01:27 |
| arcean | artemma: happy screencasting :D | 01:27 |
| artemma | and add toolbars as you would do for Symbian | 01:27 |
| M4rtinK | artemma: well, I would kinda like to use the windows stacking functionality later | 01:28 |
| M4rtinK | for options, about, etc. | 01:29 |
| artemma | arcean: I am trying the screencasting command line now. I wonder how to stop recording though - just Ctrl-C? | 01:29 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: you can add PageStack yourself jsut like in Symbian | 01:29 |
| arcean | hmm, I think so | 01:29 |
| artemma | M4rtinK I agree though that it's better to try messing with PageStackWindow if you are after hartmattan only | 01:30 |
| M4rtinK | yep, I have zero Symbian experiance and I don't plan supporting it | 01:30 |
| arcean | M4rtinK: what about commonTools.visible = false? | 01:30 |
| arcean | M4rtinK: for me commonTools.visible = false and showToolBar=false do the job | 01:31 |
| M4rtinK | ok, I'll check it out | 01:31 |
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| artemma | arcean, i am scp'ing mjpeg file to desktop already! Will see 70 Megs for 1:30min :) | 01:34 |
| artemma | I wonder how gstreamer figured which FPS to use. Or did it just capture framebuffer as fast as it could? | 01:35 |
| arcean | yeah :) | 01:35 |
| artemma | interesting. | 01:36 |
| arcean | indeed | 01:36 |
| arcean | probably it captures as fast as it can | 01:36 |
| arcean | but I'm not sure for 100% | 01:36 |
| artemma | vlc has problems playing mjpeg - shows random frames | 01:37 |
| artemma | and then rewinds | 01:37 |
| artemma | hmm | 01:37 |
| * artemma needs to find some player for mac | 01:37 | |
| artemma | hmm, vlc is supposed to be able to play it | 01:38 |
| artemma | maybe some not-very-standard format | 01:39 |
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| M4rtinK | artemma: I have added a function that sets commonTools.visible = false and call it once the vie has its source set, but no change | 01:44 |
| M4rtinK | also, the toolbars don't rotate once the window is created | 01:44 |
| artemma | sorry, M4rtinK too late for thinking to me | 01:45 |
| artemma | almost 2am here | 01:45 |
| artemma | next time maybe | 01:45 |
| M4rtinK | oh, ok :) | 01:45 |
| artemma | good luck with solving it | 01:45 |
| M4rtinK | thanks :) | 01:45 |
| artemma | I can tell that my harmattan apps rotate toolbar fine using PageStackWindow, but I never tried hiding toolbar | 01:45 |
| M4rtinK | I'm working on a manga/comic book viewer | 01:50 |
| M4rtinK | and I need to b able to hide the tool and status bars | 01:51 |
| M4rtinK | i can do that by calling showFullScreen() on the main window | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Wacky. | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | 844 1 user R < 51932 5.1 98.4 /usr/bin/mcompositor | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | (with screen blank) | 01:52 |
| M4rtinK | but then I get no bars at all | 01:52 |
| * SpeedEvil reboots. | 01:52 | |
| M4rtinK | and I'd like to be able to use the toolbar when not in "fullscreen" mode to show page number, options button, etc. :) | 01:53 |
| M4rtinK | artemma: BTw, is there some source for your apps somewhere ? :) | 01:54 |
| M4rtinK | a look in the source is worth thousand words :) | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Rebooting fixed. Anyone had jerky video after upgrading OTA? | 02:00 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: I am from closed source camp, but it won't help you anyway as I do not hide toolbar | 02:01 |
| M4rtinK | artemma: ah, ok :) | 02:02 |
| artemma | SpeedEvil: I had jerky everything after 1.1 :) Whole phone became noticeably slower | 02:02 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: I can share bits of my code easily, no probs with that. But untouched it makes no sense to you and for touching - too late | 02:03 |
| artemma | good night everybody | 02:03 |
| M4rtinK | nite :) | 02:06 |
| merlin1991 | hm I tried the n900 -> n9(50) comhist importer (https://gitorious.org/n900-comhist-import/) and it only imported what others wrote, but my sms are still missing :/ | 02:09 |
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| M4rtinK | so, for the record, I have solved the toolbar issue | 02:27 |
| M4rtinK | there are a few things of note | 02:27 |
| M4rtinK | first, you have to call showFullscreen() outside of QML on the main window to get rid of the default tools and status bars | 02:28 |
| M4rtinK | then toggling status bar works as in documentation | 02:28 |
| M4rtinK | but, the tool bar does not show until it is assigned to the given page | 02:29 |
| M4rtinK | toggling it until then does nothing | 02:29 |
| javispedro | me | 02:52 |
| javispedro | meh. | 02:52 |
| javispedro | Deleting and recreating the ICD2 IAP fixed twitter login | 02:52 |
| * javispedro tries to figure why.. | 02:53 | |
| SpeedEvil | My twitter login is still borked. | 02:56 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders flashing. | 02:56 | |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I removed my home connection from the network list, recreated, and it worked | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 02:57 |
| javispedro | the weird thing is that I reflashed like 3 times | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | "" | 02:58 |
| javispedro | (it started failing since my aegis adventure...) | 02:58 |
| javispedro | also it seems that google talk logged in without first failing with wrong password | 02:59 |
| javispedro | something that I would call a miracle since PR1.1 | 02:59 |
| javispedro | sadly, even if I were to backup settings now that they seem to work, there's no guarantee at all a restore would leave the n950 in a working state. | 03:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | So wackily broken. | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, how did you fix GTalk? | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love that it's broken like Maemo 5. | 04:02 |
| javispedro | nah, it's back to the usual behaviour after a reboot :( | 04:02 |
| javispedro | twitter at least works now.. | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, excellent. | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'd figure they'd notice this in testing. | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, really. | 04:02 |
| javispedro | ah, it's a common issue? | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I have it. | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have it. | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | So clearly everybody has it. | 04:03 |
| javispedro | there, common :) | 04:03 |
| javispedro | it happened right after a reflash, so it can't be anything app-related. | 04:04 |
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| ieatlint | what's the icon size for harmattan? | 07:47 |
| hiemanshu | 80x80 | 07:49 |
| hiemanshu | and 64x64 for installer | 07:50 |
| iekku | morning | 07:56 |
| ieatlint | cool, thanks | 07:57 |
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| gri | ~seen pycage | 09:30 |
| infobot | pycage <~mgrimme@178-26-197-61-dynip.superkabel.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 9d 15h 44m 12s ago, saying: 'X-Fade, looking good now. I killed the unnecessary Makefiles'. | 09:30 |
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| qronic | could anybody point me to simple code using QMessage? | 10:36 |
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| gri | qronic: aren't there examples in Qt itself? | 10:52 |
| gri | X-Fade: you here? | 11:01 |
| Dotti | Hi, i just got n950 from nokia. first i plugged in charger and it powered on and booted like normal. then it said there are some updates and i tried to install them but it said it cannot download them or something. i powered off the device and now it is asking for security code :( | 11:07 |
| Dotti | any idea what it might be? | 11:07 |
| artemma | Dotti: congrats with the device! | 11:07 |
| artemma | sorry about everything else | 11:08 |
| artemma | if that is a usual phone security code (that is actually called "security code"), by default it is 12345 | 11:08 |
| artemma | if I remember correctly | 11:08 |
| artemma | though can't figure why it could be asking for it | 11:08 |
| Dotti | it says its incorrect | 11:09 |
| artemma | then don't retry it in case there's limited number of trials | 11:09 |
| artemma | probably it's some different security code then | 11:09 |
| artemma | can't help with it | 11:09 |
| Dotti | ok, thanks anyway | 11:10 |
| decibyte | maybe 1234 or 123456? or something completely different | 11:10 |
| dm8tbr | using the OCF on it might help :) | 11:11 |
| jabis | if you used track&protect app it's the code you gave to that one | 11:12 |
| jabis | Dotti: ^ | 11:13 |
| Dotti | i didnt | 11:14 |
| nibbler | Dotti: which firmware is on the device? | 11:16 |
| Dotti | i think line started with 1.2011 | 11:18 |
| gri | I would assume a new device has beta1 and therefore can't install the ota update | 11:19 |
| Dotti | cant download OCF gives 404 :| | 11:19 |
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| Dotti | ah, now its working | 11:27 |
| Dotti | (download i mean) | 11:27 |
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| djszapi | Hi! Has anybody used the qt3d packages for Harmattan recently ? | 11:29 |
| nibbler | Dotti: be sure to verify the md5sum. better safe than sorry :) | 11:35 |
| Dotti | heh | 11:36 |
| qronic | what should I add into other files and headers to make that code compile: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/9351 ? | 11:37 |
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| gri | qronic: what's your project since you try to add a sms? :) | 11:40 |
| qronic | I want to import sms from a file | 11:41 |
| qronic | anyways for now I want that just to compile, cause I'm new to c++/qt | 11:41 |
| qronic | it's way too different from ole' c | 11:41 |
| gri | Well, you just have to take a look at qt mobility to know what to import | 11:42 |
| gri | You can "steal" from examples: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/serviceactions.html | 11:43 |
| gri | add to .pro: CONFIG += mobility | 11:43 |
| gri | MOBILITY = messaging | 11:43 |
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| gri | add includes to <Qwhateveryourtypeis> | 11:44 |
| gri | and add QTM_USE_NAMESPACE to your file | 11:44 |
| qronic | thanks, gonna look into those examples | 11:46 |
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| thp | Jaffa: what do you think about adding a viewport metatag to mwkn? try it yourself on your n9/n950: http://o.thp.io/tmp/mwkn-viewport.html (compared to http://www.mwkn.net/2011/45/download.html) | 11:57 |
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| Jaffa | thp: Better for portrait, worse for landscape. Interesting tag, though. What else can be done with it? | 12:20 |
| thp | Jaffa: you might try device-width instead of the fixed 400 px | 12:25 |
| thp | Jaffa: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mobile/Viewport_meta_tag | 12:25 |
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| Jaffa | thp: Can you remove the 'user-scalable' and put 'device-width' in mwkn-viewport.html so I can test, please? | 12:44 |
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| thp | Jaffa: done, refresh | 12:47 |
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| macmaN | MohammadAG: your n950 is still MIA? | 12:59 |
| macmaN | i was just thinking of possibility of OMP Harmattan | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG | macmaN, yes | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG | macmaN, highly possible, I wanted to make it anyway | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG | but yeah... | 13:00 |
| macmaN | right. id like something that i can hack some drummer specific features on. | 13:00 |
| macmaN | but i dont want to remake yamp | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG | I thought drummers were hardcore :p | 13:00 |
| macmaN | such a bummer | 13:00 |
| macmaN | wdym hardcore | 13:01 |
| macmaN | ? | 13:02 |
| macmaN | i'd like to overlay a clicktrack on a song for one and then also add ability to slow a song down | 13:03 |
| macmaN | but keep the pitch | 13:03 |
| macmaN | correct | 13:03 |
| macmaN | Tronic: what do you think about this, is the pitch correction part difficult to do? | 13:03 |
| macmaN | Tronic: performous already has this ability yes no? | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | macmaN: use sox! | 13:04 |
| macmaN | single track repeat is also something i need, looked at sigma player last night for it, it'll have to do | 13:04 |
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| macmaN | for the time being | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | sox, the swiss army knife for audio processing on cmdline | 13:05 |
| Tronic | macmaN: Autotuning? Not implemented yet but I have plans for that (just no time to test it). | 13:05 |
| macmaN | DocScrutinizer: hmm, you mean implement the requirement using sox or just use sox without a real GUI | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | #1 | 13:06 |
| macmaN | Tronic: i dont think its named autotuning. or maybe it is. autotuning to me associates with the machine distorted lyrics of rappers. | 13:06 |
| macmaN | :> | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | pitch shifting and tempo shifting is one of sox' easiest disciplines | 13:06 |
| macmaN | DocScrutinizer: ok good tip thanks | 13:07 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: MohammadAG: I'd love to see the entertainment view on Harmattan, for when my N9 is plugged into a hotel room TV | 13:07 |
| macmaN | MohammadAG: i guess i could start looking at building OMP on Harmattan even while your N950 hasnt arrived | 13:07 |
| MohammadAG | macmaN, needs libmafw | 13:07 |
| Tronic | macmaN: Well, it is an application for pitch shifting. Some simple pitch shift/distortion was/is done for Performous IIRC. | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | also it's pure Qt for the UI, will look shitty on the N950 | 13:08 |
| Tronic | macmaN: For guitar whammy bar, that is. | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I'll make an MTF version when/if I get my N950 | 13:08 |
| macmaN | MohammadAG: is that another way of saying "needs a pretty big rewrite"? | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | macmaN, yep | 13:08 |
| macmaN | Tronic: oh "Autotune" is a separate application? | 13:09 |
| hiemanshu | OMP? | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | macmaN: of course on a mp3-decoder you can implement all this way simpler than with brute force mere analog signal processing | 13:09 |
| MohammadAG | Open Media Player | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and with better quality | 13:09 |
| Tronic | macmaN: No, I mean application of a principle, not software application. | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | macmaN: means if you playback mp3 you don't want sox to do the pitch/tempo shifting | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | macmaN: you rather want to "detune" the mp3-decoder | 13:10 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: link | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72156 | 13:11 |
| hiemanshu | hmm, writing it in QML shouldn't be hard | 13:12 |
| MohammadAG | screw QML | 13:13 |
| hiemanshu | naah, QML is nice and easy for UIs | 13:13 |
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| MohammadAG | totally | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 13:13 |
| tomma | what would be easiest way to remove old x11vnc which is installed by dev mode and install my own more recent build? | 13:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer fetches popcorn | 13:14 | |
| MohammadAG | and the player would only take 6s to start | 13:14 |
| merlin1991 | ~lart qml | 13:14 |
| * infobot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down qml's throat until qml puts on 150lbs | 13:14 | |
| hiemanshu | not bad | 13:14 |
| leinir | ouch ;) | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | true, given the MTF version would start in 1-2 | 13:14 |
| merlin1991 | Come on, make it gtk :) | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | that'd be slow too | 13:15 |
| merlin1991 | Not on the n900 ;) | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | it wouldn't be native | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | true, but this is #harmattan | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | so gtfo :P | 13:16 |
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| leinir | stfu n0rb ;) | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | I miss my N950 | 13:16 |
| merlin1991 | Trolling achieved | 13:16 |
| psycho_oreos | +1 | 13:17 |
| merlin1991 | does nokia do anything about it? | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | especially the fact I used to not miss calls cause my device choked | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | I should reflash the N900 tbh | 13:18 |
| psycho_oreos | I actually missed the story on how your N950 died MohammadAG | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | it didn't die, just overheated every once in a while | 13:22 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm ouch, sounds like it had defective shields I suppose | 13:23 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: QML is awesome, use it! | 13:25 |
| * hiemanshu runs | 13:25 | |
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| merlin1991 | hiemanshu: you better run fast | 13:26 |
| psycho_oreos | merlin1991, speaking of trolling ;) http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-11-06.log.html#t2011-11-06T07:19:11 | 13:27 |
| * MohammadAG stuff QML memory usage up hiemanshu's... | 13:28 | |
| hiemanshu | haha | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | stuffs* | 13:28 |
| * hiemanshu watches as MohammadAG dirties his hands with QML and such | 13:28 | |
| MohammadAG | the amount of useful apps on iOS is incredible | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | incredibly small that is | 13:29 |
| psycho_oreos | iSheep | 13:29 |
| merlin1991 | I think hiemanshu counts on the fact that you never can grab all of qmls memorx usage ;) | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, having one is useful | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | I really like Waze, though it stopped working well on my iPod recently | 13:30 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, it can be but iPhones also comes with dirty Apple DRM tricks | 13:30 |
| hiemanshu | merlin1991: naah, just on the fact MohammadAG's hand are smaller than a 13 year old | 13:30 |
| * hiemanshu runs | 13:30 | |
| jreznik | MohammadAG: :D but same happens in nokia store - why the hell all rss feeds has to be one app, or is there possibility to filter it out somehow? it's nonsense run for big numbers just by packaging rss/books/music as standalone app (and I'm not against doing it, I just don't like messing proper apps up in the store) | 13:30 |
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| MohammadAG | jreznik, I pretend Nokias don't have a store | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | I'm comparing the App store to maemo's repos | 13:31 |
| merlin1991 | Community repo and that's it, who needs a fsckd store? | 13:31 |
| psycho_oreos | how unfair ;) | 13:31 |
| merlin1991 | Btwn whats the current status on harmattan community repo? | 13:32 |
| * psycho_oreos watches as a ball of hay rolls past | 13:32 | |
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| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, took some casualties with it | 13:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, which? the repos versus App store? I can imagine apple loyalists brags the superiority of the iPhone whilst they fail to see the things Apple does to them | 13:35 |
| psycho_oreos | ;) | 13:35 |
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| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos the ball caused a net split | 13:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, oh, oh well stuff happens :) | 13:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | I guess they weren't prepared to answer merlin1991 ;) | 13:36 |
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| psycho_oreos | so does N950 have USB hostmode? | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | no | 13:38 |
| psycho_oreos | lol, I hear DocScrutinizer had to give N9 some treatment as to getting that USB hostmode to work | 13:39 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, ping | 13:39 |
| MohammadAG | or anyone else | 13:40 |
| MohammadAG | how do I build a debug version with debugging symbols? | 13:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | qml? *ducks* | 13:40 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: Ya? | 13:41 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: Guten Tag :) | 13:41 |
| frals | for qt adding config+=DEBUG is usualyl enough... | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | holy fuck | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | my fan died while compiling | 13:42 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: What's the source URL? I wonder how close MAFW API is to Grilo (or whatever it got called) | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, source URL of what? | 13:43 |
| psycho_oreos | try blowing the crap out through the vents with a can of compressed air. That probably helps ;) | 13:43 |
| psycho_oreos | if not it might help cooling | 13:44 |
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| djszapi | Hi! Does someone have the spotify application installed ? | 13:45 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, /usr/include/rx/columbus/ColumbusWaypointModel.h:33: error: 'QSqlDatabase' has not been declared | 13:45 |
| alterego | Interwesting ... | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: I am trying to get hostmode to work on HARM, and it doesn't look quite good on feasibility | 13:46 |
| alterego | What are you doing? | 13:46 |
| alterego | Trying to compile it for Harmattan? | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, compiling Columbus's plugins to debug crashes | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: OMP | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG | no, Fremantle | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | djszapi: Yes | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: not because the hw was bad, like it was on N900, but simply because of friggin Paegis | 13:46 |
| djszapi | Jaffa: can you please tell me the credentials it requests ? | 13:47 |
| Jaffa | djszapi: How to check? | 13:47 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, lol shame, Paegis yet in the path again | 13:47 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Interesting, 'apt-cache search mafw' on N950 shows that MAFW may still be being used on Harmattan | 13:47 |
| djszapi | Jaffa: _aegis file in the debian package or /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, qmafw | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: well, custom kernels and Paegis don't go together well | 13:48 |
| djszapi | Jaffa: I can install it without OVI, apparently, so nvm | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: ^^^ (sorry Jaffa ) | 13:48 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ahh yeah I heard of that conf file numerous times. | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | conf file??? | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, basically, qmafw is Qt wrapped mafw that's closed source | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, so I need to rewrite the UI and adapt the Qt classes of OMP | 13:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, oh ffs my bad. I got caught up with the other conversation | 13:54 |
| psycho_oreos | I really thought custom kernels were a way to bypass aegis minus the things that you cannot access once aegis is bypassed/disabled | 13:55 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: For my purposes (entertainment view), that's already QML, correct? | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | also general OT notice about using vacuum cleaners or pressurized air on PC ventilation: it will make your fan spin so fast the generated electricity will fry your electronics that control the fan | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, yes, but the MAFW backend isn't | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | I hate firefox's no-http-in-url thing :/ | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | (I killed the MOSFET in my laptop this exact way :-S ) | 13:58 |
| psycho_oreos | well the fan died :) but then again it wouldn't be wise to constantly blow on the fan either using compressed can of gas. Probably turning the laptop off and disconnecting battery before squirting burst amounts of compressed air might help. | 13:59 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O | 13:59 |
| frals | MohammadAG: uh, doesnt it add http:// when you copy from the urlbar? does for me | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | (since then the fan runs 100% full speed thanks to a small wire ;-D ) | 13:59 |
| psycho_oreos | s/gas/air/ | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | frals, used to, doesn't now | 14:00 |
| psycho_oreos | small wire? | 14:00 |
| psycho_oreos | i.e. you somehow bypassed thermal control? | 14:00 |
| frals | MohammadAG: on nightly or something? | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | shorted it | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG | frals, nope, latest stable release afaik | 14:00 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 14:00 |
| frals | MohammadAG: at least mine whatever-it-is 8.0 something does it on windows | 14:01 |
| frals | seems my nightly here shows http in url bar again | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | frals, 7.0.1 | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, fucking columbus doesn't crash under gdb | 14:01 |
| alterego | Race condition | 14:02 |
| frals | or actually, it was because all tabs i had opened was https ;( | 14:03 |
| frals | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-pincharea.html | 14:03 |
| frals | hmm | 14:03 |
| frals | added http when i pasted | 14:03 |
| frals | Nightly 10.0a1 (2011-10-24) | 14:03 |
| frals | thou... | 14:03 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: http://techdows.com/2011/09/show-http-in-firefox-7-address-bar.html | 14:31 |
| Jaffa | frals: It only does it when you're actually visiting the site. If you copy it without visiting, it doesn't include it. | 14:32 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: So it currently goes to MAFW directly, but that won't work, and needs to go to QMAFW? | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, yes, or forwardport libmafw | 14:33 |
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| Corsac | do people have some answers to bug reports on Harmattan? | 14:40 |
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| alterego | Corsac: what bug in particular? | 14:40 |
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| Corsac | alterego: in general, I reported some bugs since I received my N9 last week and got 0 answer | 14:49 |
| Corsac | so I'm not sure if they are even read, but maybe that's not the correct place to report them | 14:49 |
| Corsac | (or maybe we shouldn't report any bug at all :/) | 14:50 |
| iekku | Corsac, where do you report them? | 14:50 |
| Corsac | developer.nokia.com/bugs | 14:50 |
| iekku | i think it's correct place | 14:51 |
| iekku | and please, file them when you find | 14:51 |
| alterego | Corsac: what bug/s ? | 14:53 |
| alterego | :) | 14:53 |
| Corsac | wait a sec | 14:55 |
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| Corsac | #626 #616 #615 #614 | 14:56 |
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| Corsac | (hmhm, is javispedro somewhere on irc, btw?) | 15:02 |
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| alterego | Corsac: Not convinced 614 is a bug tbh ... | 15:16 |
| alterego | I'd rather it cluttered with RSS than facebook/twitter :P | 15:16 |
| Corsac | well, I don't use facebook/twitter so I can't comment on that | 15:17 |
| Corsac | but I'd really much prefer having multiple rows for each email instead of a condensed view | 15:17 |
| Corsac | and hiding item marked as read would be nice | 15:17 |
| Corsac | though I need to test something | 15:17 |
| Corsac | I didn't select “only show unread item” in the feed app, so maybe selecting that will work for the event screen too | 15:18 |
| Corsac | (though right now I removed all feeds from event screen but the Nokia conversations one is still displayed, don't know why) | 15:18 |
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| alterego | Well, I tried and it doesn't effect anything in 20.2011.40-4 | 15:20 |
| Corsac | ok | 15:20 |
| Corsac | what is that version? | 15:20 |
| Corsac | PR1.1? | 15:20 |
| alterego | That is, reading an item as you document doesn't hide it from the feed. | 15:20 |
| alterego | Don't know :P | 15:21 |
| Corsac | is this a private, internal version? | 15:21 |
| alterego | Yes, sorry. I should have tested with public, just not sure my N950 is going to like me if I roll back. | 15:22 |
| Corsac | well, if PR1.1 is more recent than this one, don't bother :) | 15:23 |
| Corsac | I mean, the to-be PR1.1 | 15:23 |
| Arkenoi | alterego, what changed there? is landscape mode improved? text entry and weird capitalization? | 15:24 |
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| Corsac | (btw is there a way to load a kernel module on N9 right now?) | 15:29 |
| * alterego goes back to work. | 15:30 | |
| MohammadAG | insmod | 15:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: hah, ask Paegis | 15:32 |
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| Corsac | is that a real answer or is it a sarcasm? | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | Corsac, insmod | 15:34 |
| qronic | what about aegis? | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: Corsac: if I could load modules I actually might get hostmode to work | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, then load them | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ehem | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | modhash.py? | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't work anymore on recent firmware? | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | I thought that was unseal.ko | 15:35 |
| Corsac | MohammadAG: well, insmod will return -EPERM, because of Aegis I guess | 15:36 |
| Corsac | well, I tried using devel-su from the developer account | 15:36 |
| Corsac | but it might not be the correct way | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | Corsac, try http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/aegis/modhash.py | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | python modhash.py module.ko | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | under proper develsh | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | well | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | devel-su -> develsh | 15:37 |
| Corsac | thanks | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think develsh in recent FW got neutered | 15:37 |
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| Corsac | hmh, no python by default, that's sad :) | 15:39 |
| Corsac | hmhm, the write doesn't succeed when running it | 15:39 |
| Corsac | (to modlist) | 15:40 |
| Corsac | so I guess I have the neutered develsh | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | python is on the N9/50 by default | 15:43 |
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| Corsac | not on the N9 | 15:45 |
| deram | "-/bin/sh: pyhton: not found" | 15:46 |
| deram | copypaste by hand gone wrong... | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd be *very* careful to mess with N9 on such a critical level - if you cause MALF you're in a pinch regarding what to use to do the suggested reflashing | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or is there *any* *official* procedure for flashing N9 provided by Nokia meanwhile? | 15:48 |
| sandst1 | DocScrutinizer: official=no, working=yes | 15:50 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: I already flashed sucessuly after a MALF due to enabling developer mode | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | so my notion and advice stands - be careful, think twice! | 15:51 |
| Corsac | so I wouldn't say it's safe, but it's possible to play a little | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | sandst1: Corsac: I'm *very* reluctant and I dperecate using a $random_image to flash my N9 - an image where possible branding sneaks in, and no clue about actual changelog / compatibility / state of support | 15:55 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: well, the image come from Nokia servers | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart Nokia for not providing proper OCF plus instructions, to "unbrick N9" | 15:56 |
| * infobot explains, ever so gently, that if Nokia doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help for not providing proper OCF plus instructions, to "unbrick N9" | 15:56 | |
| Corsac | (but yeah, point granted) | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: well, nandtest cmd also comes from Nokia | 15:57 |
| sandst1 | DocScrutinizer: point taken. but anyways, flashed the same image that came with the phone, no problems | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless you could kill your NAND with that tool, in no time | 15:58 |
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| Corsac | btw, does --enable-rd-mode from flasher do anything nowadays? | 16:08 |
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| Corsac | prft, my rebuilt kernel doesn't boot :( | 16:28 |
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| Smtih | how about starting harmattan on n900? | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't, for a nub er of reasons. | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | most of the UI is closed binaries. | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus the UI concept doesn't integrate too nicely with N900 | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | buzzword swipe/multitouch | 16:46 |
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| Corsac | grmbl, I can't make those feeds disappear from event screen | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could argue N900 even has the wrong case for doing swipe | 16:47 |
| Corsac | ha yes, you can long-press and clear everything | 16:47 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: on n800! | 16:47 |
| Smtih | can't run harmattan binaries on n900? why? | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | different hardware | 16:48 |
| alterego | You can under Mer | 16:49 |
| Smtih | CPU or chipset? | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | err what? | 16:49 |
| alterego | But things like fonts, screen estate, etc are different. | 16:49 |
| alterego | And Harmattan UI is quite, erm, rigid with regards to that .. | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | touchpanel is different, bme is different, audio is different, USB is different | 16:50 |
| Smtih | as i know n900 support hardfp. what features mission on n900? | 16:51 |
| Smtih | missing* | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | see ^^^ | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you didn't ask about "starting binaries" like maybe less in xterm, you said "start harmattan on N900" | 16:51 |
| Smtih | As far as I understand it, we can run the n900 binaries on harmattan. That is a problem in the layer between the driver touchpanel (example) and the rest of the system? | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:57 |
| Smtih | or I just don't understand it? | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd basically need to backport swipe-UI to the N900 kernel API, or adapt N900 kernel API to mimic a N9 | 16:59 |
| flux | actually, isn't multitouch relatively little used feature in n9? | 17:00 |
| flux | and swipe-ui, well, how complicated can it be.. :-) | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | then still you got problems like N9 doesn't even have any hw kbd, so how's support for N900 kbd getting integrated? | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | will HARM camera-ui work nicely with the kernel API for the N900 camera? etc etc etc | 17:01 |
| Corsac | well, n950 has a kbd though :) | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | (assuming you won't want to write a kernel driver for N900 camera module that mimics the N9 8Mpicel cam ;-P ) | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | could N900 touchpanel even detect swipes like used on N9? | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly you don't want to even start a comprehensive list of things to hack to make this fly | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | and, as mentioned above, the swipe GUI isn't open, so no way to packport it | 17:04 |
| Smtih | n950 has kbd. ok. I understand. Thanks for the clarification | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | let alone I'd feel nausea on seeing HARM GUI on my N900 | 17:05 |
| Smtih | whereas at the expense of running harmattan binaries on maemo 5? | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | like shell commands? | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably works OOTB | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | though nobody ever tried it yet, I guess. I'm doing the opposite all the time, running N900 cmdline binaries on HARM | 17:08 |
| Smtih | games as example | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | same problem, the API is way too differnet | 17:08 |
| Smtih | i tired, but problem in gcc | 17:08 |
| Smtih | tried* | 17:08 |
| Smtih | possible update gcc to harmattan version? | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | should work | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I really wouldn't recommend it | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | better get a generic binary of the desired version | 17:10 |
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| Smtih | i has try build gcc in scratchbox, but it has too many dependencies | 17:12 |
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| Smtih | http://linuxtesting.org/compatibility/Maemo_5.0_to_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan/arm/abi_compat_report.html This test shows that at a basic level is just incompatible libc.so.6 | 17:18 |
| Smtih | but basically can we run binaries compled for hardfp in softfp system? | 17:19 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: Could I get some assistance for this issue, please ? http://paste.kde.org/143348/ I could manage the broken perl on arch, but I am not facing this. | 17:59 |
| djszapi | now* | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as long as they don't use fp, I think it works, yes | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | see [2011-11-07 16:08:13] <DocScrutinizer> though nobody ever tried it yet, I guess. I'm doing the opposite all the time, running N900 cmdline binaries on HARM | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | this whole hardfp vs softfp thing seems extremely unfortunate. Esp since you could emulate the one by the other, with a rather lean adapter layer. Just using different ABI for same functions is insane | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | LD_PRELOAD emulateHardFPonSFP.so myhardfp-app | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | should workj, no? | 18:45 |
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| Smtih | I didn't know about this | 18:52 |
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| Smtih | What if just take and replace libc.so.6 on n900 with harmattan version? | 18:57 |
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| xranby | "Smtih: but basically can we run binaries compled for hardfp in softfp system?" - no it will not work | 19:01 |
| xranby | the hardfloat abi are not softfp abi compatible | 19:01 |
| xranby | w8.. perhaps you are talking about running softfloat binarys with vfp optimization in combination with other softfloat binarys | 19:02 |
| xranby | then it will work | 19:02 |
| xranby | when people speak of hardfp today then they usually refer to the new arm hardfloat abi http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort | 19:03 |
| Jaffa | Anyone know how to poke sysfs (or similar) to put the AMOLED screen into "power saving" mode? | 19:03 |
| Jaffa | Or is it a case of grepping the kernel? | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: dbus mce | 19:10 |
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| leinir | hmm... not entirely sure how this works - i have two reviews on my app, both five out of five stars... and the average of those ratings, apparently, is four out of five stars ;) | 19:16 |
| ieatlint | you can rate an app without leaving a review | 19:16 |
| ieatlint | it's designed to prevent stupid "reviews" consisting of just a word because the field is required | 19:17 |
| leinir | Aah right | 19:17 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Or poke /sys/class/backlight/display0/device/lpm (it turns out) | 19:22 |
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| djszapi | M4rtinK: pingy | 19:24 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: yep ? :) | 19:25 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: having osc issues, wondering you could assit | 19:26 |
| djszapi | assist*, let me show the bug reporty | 19:26 |
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| M4rtinK | ok :) | 19:26 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23966 | 19:27 |
| M4rtinK | btw, I have just imported that new raptor package frou your repo | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, I think I have seen this before | 19:29 |
| M4rtinK | here it is: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS#Possible_pitfalls | 19:30 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: looks like you don't have enough quemu packages installed | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: backlight of AMOLED, nice ;-P | 19:32 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Going to investigate how "low-power" it is for the darkened view of Bedside | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 19:35 |
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| djszapi | M4rtinK: sounds like a very hackish advice | 19:36 |
| djszapi | it would be nice to have the dependencies clearly | 19:36 |
| djszapi | instead of install everything qemu related. | 19:36 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: could you please show me your qemu installations ? | 19:37 |
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| djszapi | M4rtinK: we have these qemu packages on arch: http://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=qemu | 19:39 |
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| M4rtinK | djszapi: yeah, that bugreport still stands - there are definitely some missing dependencies | 19:42 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I'm author of that advice from the wiki | 19:42 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: nice, let us see figure out the exact deps, and improve the wiki! | 19:43 |
| M4rtinK | ok :) | 19:44 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: I have just installed qemu-launcher and libvirt | 19:45 |
| djszapi | they were not enough yet .. | 19:45 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: can you please show me your qemu installations ? | 19:46 |
| M4rtinK | these packages are available on Ubuntu 11.04 and I have installed all of them: grub-firmware-qemu qemu-keymaps qemu-kvm-extras qemu-kvm-extras-static qemu-launcher qemu-system qemu-user qemu-user-static qemubuilder qemuctl qemulator qemu-common qemu-kvm qemu | 19:46 |
| M4rtinK | some of them clearly might not be needed (that grub one), don't know about the others | 19:47 |
| djszapi | I do not have many of those on arch | 19:47 |
| M4rtinK | that simplifies the search :) | 19:48 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: can you please experiment on a single package on your side by removing one by one ? | 19:48 |
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| M4rtinK | ok :) | 19:48 |
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| djszapi | M4rtinK: you sure that was the reason btw ? missing qemu package ? | 19:49 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: also, it should probably be reported against upstream to fix the dependency thingy | 19:49 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: it was a few months ago, but this fixed it | 19:51 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC :) | 19:51 |
| Corsac | djszapi: btw, unrelated, but is the kernel from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta2/free/k/kernel/ supposed to run on N9? | 19:51 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=qemu&do_Search=Go -> we have these packages in AUR. It is kinda like PA on Ubuntu | 19:52 |
| M4rtinK | I think I asked someone one the IRC about it,l here or on #meego | 19:52 |
| djszapi | or how the community repository thingy is called | 19:52 |
| M4rtinK | COBS ? | 19:52 |
| djszapi | Corsac: I do not understand your question. | 19:52 |
| M4rtinK | probably X-Fade or lbt should be notified once the missing dependency is found | 19:52 |
| Corsac | djszapi: I tried to rebuild a kernel for the N9 using sources found there, and it doesn't boot | 19:53 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: actually, I would say the "osc" tool developers. | 19:53 |
| djszapi | too | 19:53 |
| Corsac | djszapi: the version number matches what I have on my device, but as this source is for N950 I'm not completely sure... | 19:53 |
| M4rtinK | or maybe arch/ubuntu packagers ? | 19:53 |
| E0x_ | what is the file i need to tweak for get the led work properly ? | 19:53 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: not really. | 19:53 |
| djszapi | E0x_: please rephrase this question | 19:54 |
| djszapi | what would you like to achieve ? | 19:54 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: it should warn you distribution independent | 19:54 |
| E0x_ | whic is the file that i need tweak to get the battery led indicator work in the right way ? | 19:54 |
| djszapi | Corsac: I do not see the point of recompiling the kernel, if the binaries are there. | 19:54 |
| E0x_ | which* | 19:54 |
| djszapi | what do you call "right way" ? | 19:55 |
| djszapi | your expectation or manufacture default ? | 19:55 |
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| Corsac | djszapi: well, I do want to mess with the kernel (first by trying to load an unsigned module), so first step was to try to rebuild the exact same kernel and try to boot it | 19:55 |
| E0x_ | not blink while charging and dont get on ( steady ) when if fully charger | 19:55 |
| djszapi | Corsac: well it should work. Hard to say anything without relevant debug information | 19:56 |
| Corsac | wait a sec | 19:56 |
| djszapi | also, I do not have time for kernel debugging right now | 19:56 |
| djszapi | sorry for that | 19:56 |
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| djszapi | E0x_: nothing, should work by default. | 19:57 |
| Corsac | djszapi: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=34551&postcount=136 and 137 | 19:57 |
| E0x_ | djszapi: is not working | 19:57 |
| Corsac | djszapi: ok, any idea who I might try to ping on that? | 19:57 |
| djszapi | Corsac: sorry, but I do not aid for warranty void things | 19:57 |
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| djszapi | Corsac: Stskeeps or others. I would not personally like to lose my warranty in any way. | 19:58 |
| E0x_ | i mean the led is ok ( i saw it on one time ) but don't work as the manual say | 19:58 |
| E0x_ | blink when chargin , and steady when the battery is full | 19:58 |
| djszapi | E0x_: so how about syslog ? | 19:58 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: Please let me know, if you found the needed package by the experimenting. | 20:01 |
| Corsac | djszapi: well, if there's a way to load a kernel module without voiding my warranty I'm all hear, but afaiui the only way right now to switch to open mode (if it exists) is to load a custom kernel | 20:02 |
| djszapi | Corsac: yes, and that is pretty normal. | 20:02 |
| Corsac | (which I'm fine with, it's something a malware shouldn't be able to do | 20:02 |
| djszapi | if anybody can enter the kernel, that is reaaaaaallybad | 20:02 |
| Corsac | agreed | 20:02 |
| djszapi | even mmap is hooked anyways | 20:02 |
| Corsac | but then I'm not sure running in open mode is really supposed to be a warranty-voider operation | 20:03 |
| Corsac | (imho, I mean) | 20:03 |
| djszapi | itis | 20:03 |
| djszapi | and that is also pretty normal | 20:03 |
| Corsac | yeah, I do know that :) | 20:03 |
| djszapi | well, how could Nokia take the responsibility for strange kernel ? | 20:03 |
| Corsac | no, I didn't say running a strange kernel | 20:04 |
| Corsac | I said running in open mode | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: it is a warranty voider operation | 20:04 |
| djszapi | means running a strange kernel | 20:04 |
| djszapi | what Nokia should have done is to accept my and my colleague's completely open mode proposal | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: it's sad but that's the policy it seems | 20:04 |
| Corsac | yeah but what voids the warranty is not the open mode, it's the kernel | 20:04 |
| djszapi | Corsac: open mode means custom kernel | 20:05 |
| Corsac | which is a bit sad :) | 20:05 |
| djszapi | please do not start this discussion again, so cumbersome | 20:05 |
| Corsac | sorry | 20:06 |
| djszapi | I agree. I had a proposal. Management rejected. That is all | 20:06 |
| Corsac | anyway, I'm still interested by the open mode, warranty voider or not | 20:06 |
| djszapi | Corsac: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xFbWDXTqLk | 20:07 |
| djszapi | Mer + Plasma, ask for help from vgrade :) | 20:08 |
| djszapi | #active or #mer I guess. | 20:08 |
| djszapi | this channel is about harmattan as its name says :) | 20:08 |
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| Tronic | djszapi: Ummh, how does Dell or Asus take responsibility for running a strange kernel (e.g. Ubuntu instead of the preinstalled Windows)? | 20:09 |
| Tronic | Hardware needs to be designed so that it cannot be broken by software, and then hardware faults are covered by the warranty. | 20:10 |
| Corsac | djszapi: I'm interested by Harmattan open mode | 20:10 |
| Tronic | Pretty much a moot point, though. I am pretty sure that you could RMA a bricked Nokia device just fine and they would send you a new one, no questions asked. | 20:10 |
| djszapi | Corsac: Harmattan open mode means, it is not Harmattan | 20:11 |
| djszapi | Tronic: Harmattan is not shipped by Ubuntu or anybody else. It is shipped by Nokia, by Nokia rules. | 20:12 |
| djszapi | obey and leave. | 20:12 |
| djszapi | or* | 20:12 |
| Corsac | I think 'and' is ok :) | 20:12 |
| djszapi | :p | 20:12 |
| Corsac | and btw I still think *system* talks about Harmattan/N9 has its place here | 20:13 |
| Corsac | it's not only about apps or swipe :) | 20:13 |
| djszapi | Corsac: again, if you drop the Harmattan kernel, it is not Harmattan. | 20:14 |
| Tronic | djszapi: Well, even Nokia only has *some* control over the local laws (yes, we do have a law dubbed "Lex Nokia" in Finland). The law in most countries makes the manufacturer and the reseller responsible for various problems no matter what they claim. | 20:14 |
| djszapi | Corsac: if you drop the Harmattan kernel, and use Mer and anything else. I would suggest the relevant channel. | 20:14 |
| djszapi | not offense, vgrade and others do not sit here for helping you :) | 20:15 |
| Tronic | djszapi: More precisely, tinkering a device doesn't remove the mandatory requirements of the manufacturer and if the hardware breaks, the manufacturer needs to repair it if the fault was not directly caused by the tinkering. | 20:16 |
| djszapi | Tronic: sorry, but I do not have the sake for this. I accept the rules Nokia dictates or I leave, if not. There are no in-between state. | 20:16 |
| Tronic | There have been cases of people opening gadgets that have those "warranty void if removed" stickers on them, and the manufacturer still being responsible for a component failure. | 20:17 |
| djszapi | be smarter than Nokia lawyers :) :shrugs: | 20:18 |
| Tronic | djszapi: What do you have to do with that? I was talking of consumer rights, not of you. The law is stronger than any corporate agreement or EULA in any case. | 20:18 |
| flux | I'm sort of certain one could 'break' the MMC by having a program write random data to it 24/7 for a few months | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | s/months/hours | 20:19 |
| flux | I guses that's OK, because you're not running a custom kernel | 20:19 |
| djszapi | sorry, but this really goes silly about nonsense things. | 20:19 |
| Corsac | (agreed, sorry for that) | 20:20 |
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| Tronic | The law does not give you right to RMA a device that "won't work" because you messed up the firmware but even that will in practice get handled because the companies won't bother trying to prove that the user broke the device. | 20:20 |
| djszapi | this is exactly a discussion I would not like to spend my time with really. There are more productive technical discussions. | 20:20 |
| Tronic | It is cheaper and better for company reputation to simply replace/reflash the device. | 20:21 |
| djszapi | Corsac: send me your debug information, and I will try to forward it to a harmattan kernel maintainer | 20:21 |
| djszapi | ifI do not forget.. | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | (<Tronic> Hardware needs to be designed so that it cannot be broken by software,) I'm all on same page here, but alas it's not the usual way EE design stuff | 20:21 |
| Corsac | djszapi: the thing is, I don't have any debug information beside the flashing white led :) the kernel just doesn't boot (and in the end it restarts after the watchdog timeout, I guess) | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it's not possible for some chips (e.g. vcore regs) | 20:22 |
| Corsac | djszapi: but I'm all interested for a way to get debug information :) | 20:22 |
| Corsac | and kernel / low level stuff | 20:22 |
| djszapi | you have at least an output where the boot fails I guess | 20:23 |
| Corsac | nop | 20:23 |
| djszapi | if not even that, you just pretty much use a bad workflow of building a custom kernel | 20:23 |
| Corsac | I just ran the dpkg-buildpackage and then flasher -k arch/arm/boot/zImage | 20:23 |
| djszapi | or/and then flash it | 20:23 |
| Corsac | but doing the same thing with javispedro image didn't work either | 20:24 |
| Corsac | (though I can definitely re-do that checking that I do everything correctly, if you think such behavior is weird) | 20:24 |
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| djszapi | Corsac: your request is this (translated): have a documentation section about build the kernel binary manually. | 20:43 |
| djszapi | maybe some troubleshoot/faq entries. | 20:43 |
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| Milhouse | someone ask Jaffa to stop spamming forum.meego.com! :) | 20:49 |
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| Jaffa | Milhouse: ? | 20:49 |
| Milhouse | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4693&page=6 | 20:49 |
| Milhouse | you've got a few duplicate posts in there | 20:49 |
| Jaffa | Eugh. Blame the forum<->email bridge. | 20:50 |
| Milhouse | yeah, assumed it wasn't intentional but something automated had gone awry | 20:50 |
| * Jaffa doesn't know how to stop this. | 20:50 | |
| Jaffa | Milhouse: Reggie's on it | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa nuke the interwebz | 20:59 |
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| gri | Is there a way to let harmattan download a file using tranfer ui without starting the browser and pointing it to that file where I do not need to implement the downloading and TransferUI myself? | 21:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't use email for forums, simple as that ;-D | 21:25 |
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| Arkenoi | hell | 22:03 |
| Arkenoi | guys did you ever see *how* mfe sync works? | 22:03 |
| Milhouse | The email to forum bridge seems to be on a 10 minute cycle, and should keep Reggie busy. I once got caught by something similar, a defect tracking system sending me a status update email every minute for most of the day as it was a bug I'd raised that was the last to be updated - quickest solution was to update the status of someone elses bug. :) | 22:04 |
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| Arkenoi | it fscking drops whole local address book | 22:04 |
| Arkenoi | and then tries to fetch it | 22:04 |
| Arkenoi | if there is a connection problem, or, say, it goes to damn power saving mode | 22:04 |
| Arkenoi | you get half of your phonebook and that's all | 22:05 |
| frals | afaik it only does that if the server asks it to do a refetch of everything | 22:05 |
| Arkenoi | don't know, seems that google does it at least daily | 22:05 |
| Arkenoi | and the phone happily obeys | 22:05 |
| Arkenoi | and there is another thing | 22:05 |
| Arkenoi | every gtalk contact gets unmerged and duped | 22:05 |
| Arkenoi | and if you merge it back it merges on the phone but still duped on google | 22:06 |
| Arkenoi | so i have triples and quadruples now | 22:06 |
| X-Fade | We are getting ready to start testing submitting apps to apps.formeego.org: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=34620#post34620 | 22:06 |
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| vladest | what is replacement for spinbox in qt components? | 22:28 |
| Corsac | hmhm, are the keyboard arrows coming in PR1.1? | 22:28 |
| thp | vladest: vladest you could use a SelectionDialog + a model that has the valid range as data | 22:32 |
| thp | (obviously duplicating the name there was pointless.. ;) | 22:32 |
| vladest | thp thanks | 22:33 |
| Corsac | X-Fade: seems that the transfer for n9client doesn't finish | 22:33 |
| Corsac | don't know wy | 22:33 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: Might be that the cache is still warming. It is getting served from akamai cache. | 22:35 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: Hmm it downloads for me on 3 different machines/ips. | 22:37 |
| Corsac | works now | 22:39 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: Ok, good. | 22:40 |
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| Corsac | X-Fade: it installs two apps, one is “App” the other is “One click...” What is the second? | 23:18 |
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