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| Venemo_webchat | hello djszapi | 00:05 |
| Venemo_webchat | how're you doing? :) | 00:05 |
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| djszapi | Venemo_webchat: I am fine, thanks. How about you ? | 00:09 |
| Venemo_webchat | fine. struggling with a stupid bug with Qt resources. | 00:09 |
| Venemo_webchat | I have a file embedded into a qrc file, and it used to work fine. | 00:10 |
| Venemo_webchat | now I just get file not found when I try to open it | 00:10 |
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| Sazpaimon | uh okay so | 00:30 |
| Sazpaimon | I built a package in scratchbox for my N9, now I'm trying to install it | 00:31 |
| Sazpaimon | error setting permissions of `./usr/lib/gnash': Operation not permitted | 00:31 |
| Sazpaimon | what do I need to do here | 00:31 |
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| djszapi | fix your issue | 00:32 |
| djszapi | you are doing things you are not allowed, so either get the right permissions or do not do those. | 00:32 |
| Sazpaimon | I'm installing as root | 00:33 |
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| Sazpaimon | i dont know how aegis works, though, Im assuming its related to that | 00:33 |
| djszapi | your assume is right | 00:34 |
| djszapi | does not matter how you install | 00:34 |
| djszapi | show your debian folder please. | 00:34 |
| djszapi | and the /full/ output of the installation and syslog as well for sure. | 00:34 |
| Sazpaimon | i think I see, I didnt build the debs with fakeroot, so they're using the scratchbox username | 00:35 |
| djszapi | well ... installing packages of course need fakeroot | 00:36 |
| Sazpaimon | i mean building the debs itself | 00:37 |
| djszapi | it is general thingie, nothing to do with aegis | 00:37 |
| Sazpaimon | creating the .deb file | 00:37 |
| djszapi | yes, you did it wrong | 00:37 |
| djszapi | 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' is what you should use. | 00:37 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah, i re-rean builddeb, with fakeroot and its fine now | 00:38 |
| Sazpaimon | its not usually a problem but of course the N9 root isn't really root so it cant do anything with files from another user | 00:38 |
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| djszapi | it is a general problem seriously, nothing to do with Harmattan | 00:39 |
| djszapi | and installation is an entirely distinct stage to packaging. Do not mix them up ;) | 00:40 |
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| tobb_ | are there any firmwares for the n9? I've bricked mine | 00:46 |
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| djszapi | tobb_: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4728 | 00:51 |
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| djszapi | tobb_: Also, http://www.stochasticgeometry.ie/2011/10/20/unbricking-n9/ | 01:09 |
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| M4rtinK | djszapi: I see you pinged me recently :) | 01:26 |
| tobb_ | djszapi: thanks | 01:27 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: yeah, but not actual anymore. | 01:33 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: ah, ok :) BTW, looks like that soprano build fails in my projects | 01:38 |
| M4rtinK | but with other error message than in yours :) | 01:39 |
| M4rtinK | and it should not be caused by older binaries as the recent OBS upgrade caused complete rebuild of all projects | 01:39 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: update raptor2 in your repo, too | 01:40 |
| M4rtinK | ok | 01:50 |
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| Robot101 | can harmattan not sync to either google contacts or a syncml server? | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf is wrong with my du? http://paste.debian.net/142515/ | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | "smart" handling of hardlinks? | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: hi! | 02:15 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: ahoy | 02:16 |
| Robot101 | my N9 arrived today | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 02:16 |
| Robot101 | seems I need to attack my simcard with scissors | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | waiting for mine | 02:16 |
| Robot101 | but first I need to get my contacts onto it | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah microSIM is a real problem | 02:16 |
| Robot101 | well, I need to sync my contacts - I moved my contacts into google contacts so I could sync my Pre 3, because that was basically the only thing that it supported | 02:17 |
| Robot101 | and I had SyncEco with my old Mobical account talking to Google on the backend | 02:17 |
| Robot101 | *SyncEvo | 02:17 |
| Robot101 | which kinda worked, except when it didn't | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | N9 should sync to OVI, for contacts at least | 02:17 |
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| Robot101 | yes, but nothing else I have is synced to ovi, so that doesn't help? | 02:19 |
| tobb_ | bah ovi store maintenance just when I flashed my n9 :) | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: hmm yeah, if you got no N950 then I wouldn't see how to upload your contacts | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | also I feel like just mentioning/quoting it once again: >>Do NOT use any microSIM with adaptor to miniSIM in your slot-in SIM holder of N9!<< | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | also I feel like just mentioning/quoting it once again: >>Do NOT use any microSIM with adaptor to miniSIM in your slot-in SIM holder of N950!<< [/quote N950 manual] | 02:29 |
| Robot101 | well, no risk of that. I didn't get an N950. :) | 02:30 |
| jabis | microsim's a bitch - I had to sign a new contract with ym service provider just to get a microSIM, now I'm married for two years at least again x) | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably applies to all sorts of slot-in SIM holders | 02:31 |
| jabis | +with them | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but the N9 only takes a microsim - there's nothing smaller I could use an adaptor with | 02:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | scratch my first erroneous post | 02:32 |
| jabis | nice way to cash in - eventho the phones came directly from Nokia, still had to find a vendor that ships microsims x) | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, yeah, sure for N9 you won't find any adaptor to fit in | 02:33 |
| jabis | o'well - I guess it's "progress" - now I'm sure to lose my sim at some point - so tiny x) | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought of $RANDOM other phones you might want to use that microSIM with though they have miniSIM | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | jabis: comparing it to a miniSIM you'll notice it's kinda easy to DIY a microSIM from any miniSIM | 02:35 |
| jabis | blech - can't get python to compile for pythonqt - missing lib after another - goddamn piece of crap microsoft build tools | 02:35 |
| jabis | I'd do all this crap on debian, but my wife managed to "update" our second laptop to a non-bootable state x) | 02:36 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia drive doesnt do TTS? what the hell? | 02:36 |
| Robot101 | ohh | 02:37 |
| Robot101 | mail for exchange :) | 02:37 |
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| Robot101 | can sync calendar and contacts for google | 02:37 |
| Robot101 | yay | 02:37 |
| jabis | I was just gonna say that to you, Robot, only I had some trouble with MfE with google | 02:38 |
| jabis | Robot, 2 out of 5 niners we got managed the sync properly | 02:39 |
| jabis | s/the/to/ | 02:39 |
| infobot | jabis meant: Robot, 2 out of 5 niners we got managed to sync properly | 02:39 |
| Robot101 | fingers crossed | 02:40 |
| jabis | QtCreator crash + visual studio crash, now is that a sign to stop coding for today -.- | 02:40 |
| jabis | also when you're done with the initial sync - set it to device priority - otherwise you might have a sudden loss of the contacts you add in your phone when the next sync appears x) | 02:42 |
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| jabis | kk - I'm off to bed, devtools crashed and now photoshop ain't responding - gotta love M$-platform | 02:44 |
| Robot101 | what does device priority mean? | 02:44 |
| jabis | Robot101: from the sync options - it means the additions/deletions you make from N9 have priority over the stuff you edit from web | 02:45 |
| jabis | thus if you remove a contact from web it won't necessarily delete it from your phone | 02:46 |
| jabis | the same with calendar aso... | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | that's not how sync is supposed to work | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | otoh when you delete all contacts on phone, they will get removed from google as well ;-P | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | conflict resolution is about a conflict | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | if I delete a contact on the phone it's supposed to delete it on the server, if I create it on the phone it should create it on the server | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | and vice versa | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | it's not based soley on comparing local with remote - it's based on changes since the last compare | 02:48 |
| Robot101 | unless for some reason that data is lost or invalid, then it will do a compare-from-scratch | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, there's probably import, export, and sync. Sync ideally is timestamp based | 02:48 |
| Robot101 | is this sync implementation known broken such that I need to change this setting as a workaround? I shouldn't need to | 02:49 |
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| jabis | I got reports from our company staff, that some people lost a chunk of their contacts when the server had priority, and had to reimport the google account from their outlooks | 02:52 |
| jabis | (outlook sync didn't work -> export from outlook to google & sync N9 with google) | 02:53 |
| jabis | man I'm waiting for that PR1.1 - these issues are quite frustrating :/ | 02:56 |
| jabis | but bbl - time for a few hourZZzzzZzz, nini guise | 03:01 |
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| Sazpaimon | is there any way to temporarily sigh individual binaries? | 03:14 |
| Sazpaimon | i replaced a library file of a package i made with a debug version for testing, and naturally it wont run now | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | sigh? | 03:22 |
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| pawky | hello everyone, I just f---ed up the root password on my N9. Does anyone have a suggestion how to restore/reset the /etc/passwd file? | 05:06 |
| pawky | I tried a hard reset and soft reset but that didn't do it.. | 05:07 |
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| merlin1991 | pawky: how did you fsck your root password, also do you by any chance still have a root shell somehow? | 05:27 |
| merlin1991 | or maybe did you deploy ssh keys so you can ssh in as root? | 05:27 |
| pawky | nope.. | 05:43 |
| pawky | no root shell :-( | 05:44 |
| pawky | what I actually did, was.. change root password using passwd carefully writing down the original encrypted one.. | 05:45 |
| pawky | but, when restoring it i only wrote in the original odxvRwp3Vs instead of !SU.odxvRwp3Vs .... | 05:46 |
| pawky | i guess the password has to few characters to be used by the OS, and trying some password cracking doesn't work as its to few characters.. | 05:46 |
| pawky | thus if anyone knows how to crack what odxvRwp3Vs might be for a password that would do the trick.. | 05:48 |
| pawky | Will reflashing the unit be the only option you think? | 05:49 |
| hiemanshu | Morning | 05:51 |
| pawky | I wish I did some more precautions before changing the passwd file hen and forth, but nope.. | 05:54 |
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| pawky | thus if anyone could figure out what the new password odxvRwp3Vs could actually be, I would be a happy man being able to restore the N9 unit :-) | 06:01 |
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| Sazpaimon | is there a port of picodrive for harmattan yet | 06:18 |
| Sazpaimon | emumaster is great but Id love some sega genesis action | 06:18 |
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| Sazpaimon | man i would kill for someone to make a remote desktop client for harmattan | 06:57 |
| Sazpaimon | there's an rdesktop port, but its useless on an N9 without any vkb support | 06:57 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe something that works like symrdp on symbian would be nice | 06:57 |
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| razvanpetru | so what's new in PR 1.1 for those of us that are stuck in 1.0 with N9? | 10:25 |
| decibyte | razvanpetru: that's an interesting question. asking the interwebs instead gave me an answer very quickly :) | 10:28 |
| razvanpetru | I fail at asking the interwebs! | 10:29 |
| decibyte | oh! i feel sorry for you, then. | 10:29 |
| artemma | comeon, irc is faster than google | 10:30 |
| artemma | and more fun definitely :) | 10:30 |
| decibyte | razvanpetru: it says something here: http://nokia.djsmobiles.com/2011/10/nokia-n950-firmware-updated-pr-11.html | 10:30 |
| decibyte | artemma: i totally agree. human interaction is always more fun :) | 10:30 |
| artemma | though on this particular channel, there may be more people with N950 than with N9 and firmware is a little different | 10:31 |
| razvanpetru | found something here... my problem was that I was looking for PR 1.1 N9 :) | 10:31 |
| razvanpetru | thanks decibyte | 10:32 |
| decibyte | razvanpetru: you are welcome :) i cant wait to get the update for my n9. | 10:32 |
| artemma | e.g. for N9 PR 1.1 good skype support is promised, for N950 you have to use a hack to enable it and you don't get skype integrated to phonebook | 10:32 |
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| artemma | one of the primary positive things to me was Swype keyboard in N950 (though language switch in it could be implemented better) | 10:33 |
| artemma | one of the primary negative things is that everything feels a little slower | 10:33 |
| razvanpetru | artemma: skype works in n9 with 1.0, mostly | 10:34 |
| artemma | oh, I discovered skype in 1.1 only :) | 10:34 |
| razvanpetru | I was able to use it at devdays to make calls and chat :) | 10:34 |
| decibyte | i'm looking forward to music player controls on lock screen | 10:34 |
| artemma | well, you need a hack for enabling skype on N950, I tried this hack on 1.1 only | 10:35 |
| razvanpetru | me, I hope they fix this strange bug that shows the wrong number on screen when receiving calls in rare instances - that one's embarassing | 10:35 |
| artemma | not into mobile music listening, can't tell about it Ж) | 10:35 |
| razvanpetru | also, better browser | 10:35 |
| razvanpetru | the rendering engine might be great, but the app is almost unusable | 10:35 |
| artemma | have heard that music players on lock screen work well, but only if you keep MPlayer app running | 10:35 |
| artemma | didn't notice much changes in the browser | 10:36 |
| razvanpetru | I was thinking of creating a WebView wrapper that fixes some missing features, but I don't think WebView is flexibile enough | 10:36 |
| artemma | missing features? | 10:36 |
| artemma | I am really missing only bookmarks | 10:36 |
| razvanpetru | bookmarks! | 10:36 |
| razvanpetru | turning on/off javascript or images | 10:36 |
| razvanpetru | find in page, text selection, copy/paste | 10:36 |
| artemma | reflowing text would be nice, but I can live without it - landscape is wide enough | 10:36 |
| artemma | oh, copy-paste would be useful too | 10:37 |
| razvanpetru | yeah, that's like selling a car without seats :| | 10:37 |
| artemma | well, last time i was missing copy-paste in browser was a week ago | 10:37 |
| artemma | so it's not super-frequently needed | 10:38 |
| artemma | but when you need it, you do need it :) | 10:38 |
| razvanpetru | I think they should improve it OS-wide | 10:38 |
| razvanpetru | just copy what ios is doing, that works :D | 10:38 |
| razvanpetru | or opera mini, that also works, though not as good | 10:38 |
| artemma | indeed, copy-paste isn't even available everywhere | 10:38 |
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| decibyte | i hope the crappy facebook app get's an update soon too. it is build of almost pure uselesseness. not that i use it that much. i prefer the website. but it's a bit embarassing how poor it is, i think. | 10:40 |
| razvanpetru | you should try nokia social if you think this one's bad :)) | 10:41 |
| decibyte | haha | 10:41 |
| razvanpetru | why is opera not porting mini/mobile to n9, it's already on meego... and meego is sortof dead | 10:43 |
| artemma | I am running Opera Mobile on N950 | 10:44 |
| artemma | there is somebody's package on interwebs if you happen to use them this time :) | 10:44 |
| artemma | it's not super-good though. So I guess they are not releasing it, because it's not polished yet (already?) | 10:44 |
| razvanpetru | they can release it as alpha :P | 10:46 |
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| sandst1 | artemma: that'd be my package. but yeah, since it's just a repackaged MeeGo opera, it's not that optimal | 10:46 |
| artemma | well, this is exactly what you can find on interwebs | 10:46 |
| artemma | yeah, indeed, I think I've heard about this package from sandst1! | 10:47 |
| razvanpetru | heard about it also | 10:47 |
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| decibyte | is mozilla working on a n9 firefox? not that i was very impressed by the n900 firefox. | 10:50 |
| artemma | somebody told so | 10:51 |
| decibyte | and yes, i just did the same as razvanpetru: didn't bother to ask the interwebs. | 10:52 |
| decibyte | artemma: cool | 10:52 |
| artemma | decibyte: for you it's unforgivable after ashamign razvanpetru for it :D | 10:52 |
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| decibyte | hehe. i wasn't ashaming him. it was more like... an advice :) | 10:53 |
| artemma | yeah, ashaming by advice is the most easy form of trolling :) | 10:53 |
| razvanpetru | yes, I feel ashamed now... | 10:53 |
| artemma | Does anybody know a quick way for changing "Main QML file" for QML Viewer when started from Qt Creator? | 10:54 |
| decibyte | sorry, raz | 10:54 |
| razvanpetru | it's okay dec :) | 10:54 |
| * artemma is thinking about creating a macros. 95% of time I have to cycle between some 2-3 files only | 10:54 | |
| deram | if webkit is usable enough, but you dislike the default browser, it is not actually so big job to write your own browser.. | 10:56 |
| razvanpetru | deram, pinch-zoom is very hard to do right on webview | 10:57 |
| razvanpetru | and it has the same big issues with text selection & copy-paste, but I will still research this idea | 10:57 |
| razvanpetru | when I'm at 99% probably opera and firefox will launch :P | 10:57 |
| Hq` | you can already have firefox on the n9 | 10:58 |
| decibyte | Hq`: link, please? | 10:59 |
| Hq` | http://www.my-meego.com/downloads/search.php?name=Firefox%20%28Fennec%29 | 11:00 |
| decibyte | thanks | 11:01 |
| matrixx | artemma: are you able to install your application with dpkg from device terminal? | 11:01 |
| matrixx | artemma: I tried, but didn't have permission either as developer or with develsh | 11:01 |
| artemma | no idea, you can install it by sending deb file via bluetooth | 11:01 |
| artemma | just make sure you allow installation from untrusted sources | 11:02 |
| artemma | somewhere in Settings | 11:02 |
| matrixx | I have that enabled | 11:02 |
| matrixx | but still :/ | 11:02 |
| decibyte | Hq`: it doesn't look like something mozilla made, though | 11:02 |
| matrixx | I don't have any bluetoot device to send it from | 11:02 |
| artemma | I tried it via bluetooth yesterday - worked | 11:02 |
| artemma | worked for jpnurmi as well | 11:02 |
| matrixx | ok :) | 11:03 |
| matrixx | didn't know there was automatic install from bluetooth :) | 11:03 |
| matrixx | that's kinda cool | 11:03 |
| dymaxion | is there any way of tricking gmail website to think that the handset is a android phone so that I can get the advanced mobile interface on my N9 ? | 11:03 |
| Hq` | decibyte: no, but it seems to work | 11:04 |
| deram | dymaxion: is there no direct url to that interface? | 11:05 |
| decibyte | Hq`: i guess. except my phone browser opens the .deb as plain text :/ | 11:05 |
| deram | it is just plain evil to hide advanced interfaces behind some predefined useragent strings... | 11:05 |
| artemma | dymaxion: somebody has an app that does just that | 11:06 |
| artemma | mentioned on meegoexperts | 11:06 |
| artemma | I wasn't able to try, because they guy has wrong mime type on his web site and N9 browser downloads deb file as text :) | 11:06 |
| artemma | I was too lazy to try it via desktop | 11:07 |
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| razvanpetru | why is code completion completely broken for the harmattan target? | 11:09 |
| dymaxion | deram, artemma I dunno I keep ending up on the simple html mobile site... I can't seem to find anything... MobWebMail for Symbina is the closest | 11:16 |
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| artemma | http://www.crochik.com/gapp/ | 11:16 |
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| artemma | About 1-2 days ago very strange thing started with my N950. I have to login to Google (that I use for chat only, no calendar no mail) like 10 times a day and many times login doesn't work | 11:18 |
| dymaxion | Thanks artemma. | 11:18 |
| artemma | anybody experienced the same? | 11:18 |
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| artemma | or did they just tighten the MailForExchange limits (on desktop if you check mail every 15 min, Google locks your account, but I didn't see that happening with mobile yet and I didn't know it could influence chat) | 11:19 |
| dymaxion | anyone know if there's any difference in efficiency between using the "google" account type for syncing mail, presumably polling imap, vs mfE ? does mfe support push? or just same polling? The only difference I can see if that the standard imap type you can keep requesting emails back further than 3 weeks, but the max sync window for mfE is 3 weeks... not sure about battery efficiency though... | 11:20 |
| dymaxion | and I've not experience any such login isues with google as you desribed. | 11:20 |
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| artemma | there is a disadvantage - gogole account doesn't sync calendar :) | 11:20 |
| artemma | mail for exchange does | 11:20 |
| dymaxion | yes so I have setup both accounts and trying to compare to see if any major differences in the way it syncs... | 11:21 |
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| djszapi | ~seen wazd | 11:21 |
| artemma | and I think google account doesn't sync contacts (if you use google for contacts) | 11:21 |
| infobot | wazd <~wazd@broadband-95-84-185-178.nationalcablenetworks.ru> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 15d 11h 40m 24s ago, saying: 'Milhouse: easter egg for geeks? :)'. | 11:21 |
| dymaxion | was thinkig keeping mfe for syncing contacts, caldev for calendar, and google(or mfe) for mail | 11:22 |
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| dymaxion | mfe I understand doesnm't support multiple calendar sync.... (i think!) | 11:22 |
| pyhimys | Is there a list of things that n9 developer-mode does? | 11:22 |
| artemma | dymaxion: I use two MFE accounts: one for google (private stuff), one for company server (work stuff). Works well. | 11:23 |
| dymaxion | shame it doesn't support server side search. | 11:25 |
| djszapi | pyhimys: have you checked the security guide ? | 11:26 |
| dymaxion | artemma, then on top you have another google account for chat?... it's so convoluted just to get everything syncd! :-) I don't mind just feel for other non-geeks who want something simple... | 11:27 |
| artemma | yep, it is exactly my combination | 11:28 |
| artemma | worked totally fine until two days ago when it started asking for google password every 10 mins | 11:28 |
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| kirma | anyone else having awful trouble with 3G connectivity on N9? | 11:30 |
| kirma | my phone seems to drop off the network basically daily and if I attempt to disconnect and reconnect, it hands on reconnecting | 11:31 |
| djszapi | works for me. | 11:32 |
| kirma | I use google chat, mail and stuff on background, and wifi hotspot occassionally | 11:33 |
| kirma | I have a feeling there's a small glitch in the network and then the modem goes to some magical state, but I have nothing to prove this | 11:34 |
| dymaxion | kirma, i've had issues today where it kept prompting me to select mobile network for data connectivity, or wifi... | 11:36 |
| dymaxion | I would have expected it to auto connect to saved wifi, else mobile network | 11:37 |
| dymaxion | reception was not an issue at the time. | 11:37 |
| djszapi | kirma: make sure it is a harmattan question (ie.: try with other phone..) | 11:38 |
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| dymaxion | artemma, one thing I noticed with gmail vs mfe, with emails that have an ICS attachment, the gmail account shows a small calendar icon in the summary list, however mfe doesn't... | 11:43 |
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| japplo | hello, how can I disable the harmattan menu bar if I build keepassx ? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9887743/20111029153536.png | 12:17 |
| gri | djszapi: there is no way an application could "apt-get install" another package, right? | 12:17 |
| gri | japplo: Do it in qml? | 12:17 |
| djszapi | gri: why not ? | 12:18 |
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| japplo | gri: I tried it without success. Do you have a template? | 12:18 |
| gri | djszapi: I thought aegis forbids this? | 12:19 |
| djszapi | why wouldn't ? | 12:19 |
| djszapi | why did you think aegis forbids this ? | 12:19 |
| gri | japplo: Qt Creator -> New QtQuick Application -> Harmattan | 12:19 |
| gri | djszapi: I mean an user application | 12:19 |
| gri | djszapi: can it change the user and install packages? | 12:19 |
| djszapi | well, root uid has been available from the beginning | 12:20 |
| djszapi | and it probably requires root, and nothing more. | 12:20 |
| djszapi | Hence, I do not see why aegis would forbid this. | 12:20 |
| gri | Ok, another question | 12:21 |
| gri | since I don't want to install packages without asking the user | 12:21 |
| gri | can the package ui be used to install a package from repositories instead of a local file? (yes I could try but phone is not here) | 12:21 |
| gri | japplo: If you need it more detailed, I can also tell you more than some menu items :) | 12:23 |
| djszapi | gri: actually even setuid is avialable. | 12:23 |
| djszapi | available* | 12:23 |
| djszapi | and that probably helps to matrixx as well ^ | 12:24 |
| djszapi | about rebooting :p | 12:24 |
| japplo | gri: thank you, I've added this http://paste.pocoo.org/show/502721/ to the folder \qml | 12:24 |
| gri | japplo: Well, it won't work that way | 12:26 |
| japplo | gri: yes but why? | 12:26 |
| gri | you can't define initialPage twice | 12:26 |
| gri | if you want a splash screen, use the invoker and give em a .png file | 12:27 |
| gri | you can't reuse your QWidget gui | 12:27 |
| matrixx | djszapi: I sent the app to ovi qa without the reboot functionality, now it just asks user to reboot :) | 12:27 |
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| djszapi | matrixx: yeah, I know. I just thought I could mention if we tried to solve it that hard :) | 12:28 |
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| djszapi | for future knowledge :p | 12:28 |
| matrixx | djszapi: yeah, thanks, I might need that for some other app ;) | 12:28 |
| matrixx | indeed :) | 12:28 |
| gri | matrixx: what kind of application? | 12:28 |
| matrixx | themechanger | 12:28 |
| japplo | gri: is it also necessary to something to the .pro file? | 12:28 |
| matrixx | it's still processed by ovi qa, waiting the results eagerly :| | 12:29 |
| gri | japplo: You need to do your ui in qml and remove all QWidget code (atleast from the ui part) | 12:29 |
| djszapi | gri: why couldn't you ? :) | 12:30 |
| gri | djszapi: what? | 12:30 |
| djszapi | gri: you seem to ask questions without any reasons why it could not work ;) | 12:31 |
| gri | djszapi: I just ask before trying it myself for hours | 12:31 |
| japplo | gri: is this the fastest way to disable the menu bar? | 12:31 |
| gri | japplo: In harmattan gehen die alten QWidget ui elemente einfach nicht mehr, du musst alles in qml machen. Also alle dialoge, eingaben etc. Dort hast du auch die möglichkeit, die menüleiste und statusleiste zu steuern wie es dir spaß macht | 12:33 |
| djszapi | I learnt german so I understand it ;) | 12:34 |
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| djszapi | gri: okay, I do not see any reasons why it could not work. | 12:34 |
| gri | djszapi: Ok, thank you :) Knowing it's possible is more motivating than endless trying | 12:35 |
| japplo | japplo: ok danke gri, nur hört sich das ziemlich aufwendig an. Ich will eigentlich nur die Leiste ausblenden. | 12:36 |
| japplo | gri: | 12:36 |
| gri | japplo: Yes, an effort but you ui now looks ugly on harmattan while all other programs can go portrait, have different controls, fonts and animations | 12:37 |
| gri | your ui* | 12:37 |
| gri | (just to stay in english) :) | 12:37 |
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| japplo | gri: I know, but for the first attempt I prefer a faster way | 12:38 |
| djszapi | gri: actually, I have just tried out and it worked fine | 12:41 |
| djszapi | you need to use the install_file option and done. Oh yeah, one limitation is to use "user" in the Section field, but that is all about and then works oob. | 12:41 |
| djszapi | it will even appear in the package manager screen for removal from the Ui automatically. | 12:42 |
| djszapi | does not really matter where the package itself comes from what origin, does not even need to be an OVI source. The pkgmgr does not have such a selection. Note: do not mix it up with the pkgmgr daemon. | 12:42 |
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| hiemanshu | hey djszapi | 12:46 |
| djszapi | 'lo | 12:47 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: you were talking about components for android right | 12:48 |
| djszapi | not right. | 12:49 |
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| wook | hello folks, anyone knows anything about "themes" support for harmattan? | 12:52 |
| hiemanshu | I remember someone cant recall whom | 12:52 |
| djszapi | probably nobody since there are no android components. | 12:52 |
| djszapi | just discussed with the developers in Munich last week at the Qt Dev Days. | 12:53 |
| hiemanshu | I see | 12:53 |
| djszapi | I even asked for confirmation, but got no answers: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/necessitas-devel/2011-October/000627.html | 12:54 |
| djszapi | http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/necessitas-devel/2011-September/000434.html -> funky, I mistyped the word "Android" lol :) | 12:55 |
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| hiemanshu | djszapi: hah they deserved it :P | 12:55 |
| djszapi | actually snowpong can tell more | 12:55 |
| djszapi | he had a presentation there with percentages about the different modules how much was done in certain parts. | 12:56 |
| djszapi | http://cutehacks.com/2011/10/28/devdays2011/ | 12:57 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: longer presentation below, 32th page. | 12:58 |
| djszapi | we should probably start .. packaging KDE for android. | 13:01 |
| djszapi | lbt X-Fade is it possible to Android target to the c-obs ? | 13:03 |
| djszapi | or get some service for android package building ? | 13:04 |
| lbt | highly unlikely | 13:07 |
| lbt | not unless there's an upstream OBS target we can use | 13:08 |
| lbt | Try #obs | 13:08 |
| lbt | also I doubt it's in the spirit of MeeGo so you'd need permission from someone like Dawn before we enabled it | 13:08 |
| djszapi | It is not a problem, if it is not meego. | 13:09 |
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| mece | can you modify .desktop items on device without malfing? | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe | 13:58 |
| djszapi | depends | 13:59 |
| mece | how would I know? | 13:59 |
| djszapi | try it out ? | 13:59 |
| mece | well I do not want to malf | 13:59 |
| Kaadlajk | I can try | 13:59 |
| djszapi | then edit a custom desktop file ? | 13:59 |
| djszapi | but ofc you can re-edit | 13:59 |
| djszapi | so it is gonna be a bootable malf | 14:00 |
| mece | mhm | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | for your convenience I'll repeat: may-I-edit () { grep `basename $1` /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" || echo "edit if you feel venturous"; } | 14:00 |
| xmlich02 | http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/11/china-nokia-n9-pr1-2-update-30-2011-44-5_pr/ | 14:00 |
| djszapi | so not a biggie really ... | 14:00 |
| mece | ok thanks | 14:00 |
| djszapi | mece: I am pretty sure you can modify it as root | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~may-I-edit is <reply>may-I-edit () { grep `basename $1` /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" || echo "edit if you feel venturous"; } | 14:02 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 14:02 |
| djszapi | they are not integrity protected. | 14:02 |
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| pawky | has anybody unbricked their N9 64GB with success? | 14:05 |
| Corsac | yes | 14:06 |
| djszapi | yep, many | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | how? | 14:06 |
| pawky | :-) | 14:06 |
| Corsac | depending on how you bricked it, though | 14:06 |
| Corsac | I reflashed it | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | with what? | 14:06 |
| pawky | well.. i actually need to replace the /etc/passwd file | 14:06 |
| Corsac | wait a sec | 14:06 |
| pawky | i f---ed up the root password.. | 14:06 |
| pawky | my only hope to reclaim it seems to be by flashing the unit.. | 14:07 |
| deram | pawky: how did you break it? | 14:07 |
| deram | the root passwd.. | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | with passwd maybe? | 14:08 |
| Corsac | http://mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N9.html?productType=RM-696&releaseID=6324395729&version=10.2011.34.1 | 14:08 |
| pawky | well.. yeah...if I was root... ;-) | 14:08 |
| djszapi | deram: he forget it for instance | 14:08 |
| djszapi | that is already a break enough | 14:08 |
| djszapi | forgets* | 14:08 |
| pawky | Thanks Corsac, thats what I was wondering about.. | 14:08 |
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| pawky | so.. its simply using the flash softy, and chose the swedish firmware for 65GB then, right? | 14:09 |
| djszapi | pawky: http://www.stochasticgeometry.ie/2011/10/20/unbricking-n9/ | 14:09 |
| pawky | (64) | 14:09 |
| Corsac | pawky: mandatory warning: the website doesn't completely looks legit, but the links point to nokia.com servers so I guess the files are OK | 14:09 |
| djszapi | Corsac seems to be the unbrick master :) | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: I dunno how recent paegis etc works, but can't you use develsh /devel-su to become root without entering password? | 14:10 |
| Corsac | pawky: but make your own decision :) | 14:10 |
| djszapi | faenil o/ | 14:10 |
| faenil | hey djszapi :) | 14:10 |
| pawky | thanks djszapi, thats the one i am looking upon, and just wanted to confirm the firmware :-) | 14:10 |
| pawky | DocScrutiniser, nope.. | 14:10 |
| pawky | i was experimenting... and changed the rootpassword writing down the original encrypted one.. then when noticing things didn't get anybetter I put back the old one.. but (yeah laugh) forgot a god part of it.. | 14:11 |
| Corsac | note that you might be interested by http://mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N9.html?productType=RM-696&releaseID=6324395729&version=30.2011.44-5&variantID=6400374054 too | 14:11 |
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| pawky | i missed out the !SU. in the original password.. :-( | 14:12 |
| Corsac | wait, no, the link are the sames | 14:12 |
| pawky | so.. now devel-su wont work.. | 14:12 |
| npm | My first Nokia app published on first attempt: please try it out: http://store.nokia.com/content/195998 ( see http://http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/ for details) | 14:12 |
| pawky | yeah Corsac, thats the one i am going to try... | 14:12 |
| pawky | just need to install Debian to use the flash softy.. no RPM of it anywhere right? | 14:13 |
| npm | thanks to all of you for the help/advice in getting published on first attempt at validation... | 14:13 |
| gri | Corsac: is this official? | 14:13 |
| faenil | gri: that should be the chinese fw | 14:14 |
| Corsac | gri: depend on what “this” is, I guess | 14:14 |
| faenil | oup, not, this is austria :D | 14:14 |
| gri | Corsac: "this" = 44-5 firmware | 14:15 |
| Corsac | gri: the links are not for 44-5 in fact | 14:15 |
| gri | ah ok | 14:15 |
| gri | just read the headline | 14:15 |
| faenil | me too, xD | 14:15 |
| Corsac | yeah, I tried to be smart and trick the website, but I failed :) | 14:16 |
| faenil | xD | 14:16 |
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| djszapi | well, there are no limitations in China blolz :)) | 14:16 |
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| mece | Corsac, too bad heh those productType and version strings are just in the headline | 14:22 |
| mece | I found next weeks firmware for RM-999 | 14:22 |
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| hiemanshu | ugh, I have qmlRegisterType<Bash>("zitat", 1, 0, "bash");, but when I do import zitat, it doesn't work, what could be wrong | 14:24 |
| Corsac | mece: :) | 14:24 |
| Corsac | mece: I'm not too sure what parameter is relevant, maybe only versionid or something | 14:24 |
| mece | perhaps | 14:25 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders wtf is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/ anyway - and what's the "official" frontend, and why there's this friggin link to chinese website on there | 14:26 | |
| faenil | thta's nokia's server for firmwares | 14:27 |
| mece | ok, seems the desktop files are not in the refhashlist so it should be ok then? DocScrutinizer | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: as it seems not even the dir those .desktop are in is in refhashlist, I think it's afe to edit | 14:28 |
| djszapi | mece: it is not refhashlist related only .. | 14:28 |
| mece | djszapi, ok. so no way to know for sure? | 14:28 |
| djszapi | well it is pretty easy | 14:29 |
| djszapi | if you break the system, you broke, malf. | 14:29 |
| djszapi | why would a desktop file break it ? | 14:29 |
| mece | makes sense | 14:29 |
| djszapi | I mean you change the icon ? What would happen ? Max red icon | 14:30 |
| djszapi | change the name ? Name would change. | 14:30 |
| mece | djszapi, mime-types | 14:30 |
| djszapi | well, you have been asking it more than easier to try it out :) | 14:30 |
| djszapi | but I am 95% sure it does not break into unrebootable malf. | 14:31 |
| mece | djszapi, I tried, didn't break. | 14:32 |
| djszapi | someone could ask how to protect it against defense ... well provide a token for yourself. | 14:33 |
| mece | \o/ worked :D | 14:35 |
| djszapi | yes of course, there is no reason against that | 14:36 |
| mece | I meant that the thing I was trying to do worked. | 14:36 |
| pawky | when flashing an N9, should one use --cold-flash ? | 14:38 |
| djszapi | pawky: normally nope | 14:39 |
| djszapi | in drastic cases, yes. | 14:39 |
| pawky | so... just -f then? | 14:39 |
| pawky | whats the difference? | 14:39 |
| pawky | putting some boot stuf in as well? | 14:39 |
| djszapi | just ./flasher -F image -F emmc_image -f -R | 14:39 |
| jabis | what're the -f and -R args (haven't an flasher at the office) | 14:41 |
| djszapi | pawky: it does not boot anything on the device | 14:41 |
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| djszapi | jabis: -f flashes the image, -R reboots the device for flashing, /very/ convenient ... | 14:42 |
| djszapi | after flashing* | 14:42 |
| djszapi | razvanpetru: unfortunately, I missed your talk at the Qt Dev Days | 14:42 |
| jabis | coolio | 14:43 |
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| jabis | second or third time my niner complains it can't suck enough power thru different laptops o.O | 14:45 |
| jabis | ain't a USB3.0 port enough to draw power when your computer is hooked to wall outlet -.- | 14:46 |
| jabis | *an | 14:46 |
| jabis | (no running apps when this appears) | 14:46 |
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| jabis | or do I simply have crappy USB-ports everywhere | 14:47 |
| faenil | happens the same here | 14:50 |
| faenil | but could be the wifi | 14:50 |
| faenil | try disabling it | 14:50 |
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| pawky | i feel like such a lamer, but if flasher doesn't recognize on what port the unit is on (though exists when checking lsusb) is it all about using -U and if so like -U "002:0421:0518" ? | 14:51 |
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| djszapi | pawky: do you try on Windows ? | 14:53 |
| djszapi | is your battery okay ? | 14:53 |
| djszapi | did you follow the general flasher instructions ? | 14:54 |
| rafael2k | people, do you think the N900 webbrowser/flash plugin could be copied and run with accell on N950? | 14:54 |
| pawky | well.. I i am still at part 3 on http://www.stochasticgeometry.ie/2011/10/20/unbricking-n9/ ... | 14:55 |
| pawky | nope... Debian :-) | 14:55 |
| pawky | djszapi (freshly installed an all :-) ) | 14:56 |
| djszapi | did you remove the phonet modules, if they are loaded ? | 14:56 |
| * djszapi thinks we should write a flasher issue FAQ | 14:56 | |
| pawky | :-) | 14:57 |
| pawky | djszapi, there are no phonet modules loaded as far as i can se with lsmod.. | 14:58 |
| djszapi | no clue then | 14:58 |
| pawky | djszapi, is there any FAQ anywhere? | 14:59 |
| djszapi | I guess you took a look at the checksum, too ? | 14:59 |
| djszapi | no idea, but would be nice to have one instead of repeating the same troubleshoot steps all the time here :) | 14:59 |
| pawky | djszapi, the problem is at the moment, flasher will not find the unit, probably as its on bus2... | 14:59 |
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| pawky | djszapi, the only one i found is that stochastic.. stuff.. | 15:00 |
| pawky | djszapi, should the phone be connected in SDK mode maybe? | 15:00 |
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| djszapi | pawky: you do not have connection while flashing .. | 15:01 |
| pawky | djszapi.. well.. i connected the phone, i can see it using lsusb, but when trying flasher it cannot find the phone, so i am trying to figure out the syntax for -U to specifically specify the USB device | 15:02 |
| Corsac | for info, unlocking angry birds level just requires 3 nfc ids, it doesn't need a *phone* for the 2nd row | 15:02 |
| jreznik | Corsac: or passport :) | 15:04 |
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| Corsac | yes | 15:05 |
| Corsac | I used my passeport and two access badges :) | 15:05 |
| Corsac | X-Fade: btw, is app.formeego.org usable right now? | 15:06 |
| pawky | flasher just tells me "Specified USB device not found", but I can see it with 'lsusb' | 15:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pawky: you connect the phone in switched-off state | 15:07 |
| pawky | hmmm.. :-) | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and you possibly want to get rid of any *phonet kernel modules and blaclist them | 15:09 |
| pawky | but, when starting to flash, it complains for NOT finding the phonet modules ??? | 15:10 |
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| pawky | so.. flasher now waits.... | 15:10 |
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| pawky | so, what does flasher want then so it doesnt end up in this wait state? some other module? | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | when flasher waits, you connect the phone | 15:13 |
| djszapi | pawky: honestly, try it out on Windows. | 15:13 |
| djszapi | that seemed to be the most stable due to the feedbacks. | 15:13 |
| pawky | djszapi: ok.. ok.. but that will mean even more stupid questions from my side... ;-) | 15:15 |
| djszapi | learning things are never silly :) | 15:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pawky: start flasher, wait for "waiting", plug in *powered-down* device | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | pawky: other sequence won't work | 15:19 |
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| pawky | DocScruitinizer: hell yeah, it does things! :-) | 15:21 |
| jabis | "it does things" - what did you expect? x) | 15:22 |
| pawky | ~"like a virgin, flash for the very first time, like a viiirgiiin... " | 15:22 |
| jabis | hopefully you flashed the correct version (if it was an N9) x) | 15:22 |
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| pawky | well.. we will soon find out wont we... | 15:23 |
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| jabis | I'll need to touch stuff with my niner today, but I can't seem to find any other tags than my passport x) | 15:24 |
| jabis | so 90's equipment @my house | 15:24 |
| jabis | did you brick it - did you, did you, did you?!? :D | 15:25 |
| hiemanshu | jabis: for Angrybirds? | 15:25 |
| jabis | hiemanshu: yeh | 15:26 |
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| hiemanshu | jabis: use foreveralone | 15:26 |
| jabis | and I don't want to use the emulator - it's much more fun hunting tags x) | 15:26 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 15:26 |
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| pawky | by the way, am I the only one thats having my N9 reboot like 10 times a day when using it? | 15:26 |
| toninikkanen | wel certainly there are lots of people who don't experience that problem.. :) | 15:27 |
| jabis | that sounds serious a problem | 15:27 |
| pawky | well.. thats a stock N9 | 15:27 |
| pawky | reboots when surfing, hangs when looking upon pictures... hangs.. well a bit now and then when | 15:28 |
| pawky | doing stuff.. | 15:28 |
| jabis | I dunno which tool would properly expose what your issue actually is | 15:28 |
| Hq` | HW fault possibly... | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | pawky: send it for warranty | 15:28 |
| Hq` | if reflashing doesn't help, return it | 15:28 |
| pawky | Stskeeps right, after just flasing it? | 15:28 |
| pawky | I think i just voided the warranty while flashing, or didn't I? | 15:29 |
| jabis | reflashing the original firmware shouldn't void the warranty | 15:29 |
| pawky | i thoguht its just a bit of an early release.. | 15:29 |
| pawky | so.. your N9, seldom reboots? | 15:30 |
| jabis | I've had to reboot it once - when track&protect initially froze it | 15:30 |
| pawky | how good of an idea is "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" actually? | 15:31 |
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| jabis | I won't upgrade as long as I have any devel-stuff in the sources lists | 15:32 |
| mece | it shouldn't reboot at all. | 15:32 |
| jabis | uptime 4 days (ran out of battery) | 15:33 |
| mece | jabis, yeah that's annoying. I hade 12 days yesterday then battery died on me :/ | 15:33 |
| jabis | load-averages quite high (0.50, 0.21, 0.30) mostly the phone is idle | 15:33 |
| jabis | mece, I shouldn't've pushed it tho - but wanted to see how long I can manage with 3G locked & wi-fi and a few calls & texts | 15:35 |
| mece | jabis, why so high? Ive got 0.00, 0.06, 0.23 | 15:35 |
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| mece | jabis, I just forgot mine in the other room when it was running out | 15:35 |
| jabis | kswapd0 and IM-uiserver eating a lot | 15:36 |
| pawky | "I am saved, I am saved!", reflashing restored my /etc/passwd Thanks guys/girls :-) | 15:37 |
| mece | :) | 15:37 |
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| mece | hmm a script that pushes mime types from a list to mimeinfo.cache unless that mimetype is already in there would be cool. Would allow you to download all kinds of files then. | 15:38 |
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| hiemanshu | pawky: there is a flasher for N9? | 15:40 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: same flasher .. | 15:40 |
| pawky | hiemanshu: well... | 15:40 |
| pawky | hiemanshu: there is a linux flasher to flash the N9 yes | 15:41 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: same flasher? | 15:41 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: indeed, I use the same. | 15:41 |
| hiemanshu | I see | 15:41 |
| sandst1 | it's the same but it has to be extracted from the OCF | 15:41 |
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| razvanpetru | uh, wrong channel again | 15:44 |
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| mece | hey if you read an nfc tag, can you look at the raw data somehow? | 15:55 |
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| jabis | nfcinfo from labs, mece | 15:56 |
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| mece | jabis thanks! | 15:58 |
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| Corsac | labs? | 15:59 |
| jabis | nokia labs | 16:00 |
| jabis | or nokia _beta_ labs to be precise x) | 16:00 |
| Corsac | hmhm, how do we add that to the sources.list or something? | 16:02 |
| pawky | are n900 softwares runnable on an N9? | 16:03 |
| hiemanshu | you'll have to recompile, and they will look ugly | 16:03 |
| toninikkanen | and depends, if they're hildon apps they will need hildon | 16:04 |
| toninikkanen | qt apps should work with recompile but look ugly | 16:04 |
| jabis | whoopsie - it wasn't in labs - it's in projects.developer.nokia.info | 16:04 |
| jabis | https://projects.developer.nokia.com/nfcinfo | 16:04 |
| jabis | s/info/com | 16:04 |
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| Corsac | it fails to read my passport ;( | 16:13 |
| Corsac | well, it reads fine but it cant read NDEF message | 16:13 |
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| pawky | have I got it right there is actually no way to choose your default E-mail account when it comes to e-mail, or default phone numbers when it comes to contacts in the N9? | 16:18 |
| deram | you can order them, but I haven't found any other way... | 16:19 |
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| deram | Corsac: probably your passport is refusing to transmit anything prior to authentication | 16:21 |
| Corsac | good point | 16:21 |
| Corsac | (which is actually nice of it) | 16:21 |
| jabis | the same with public transportation passes | 16:22 |
| jabis | tho one could write an app that sniffs and decodes the transactions between devices to decipher the auth x) | 16:23 |
| Corsac | actually my transport pass (Navigo) doesn't seem to react to NFC | 16:23 |
| nibbler | Corsac: probably mifare ultralight or similar. | 16:24 |
| deram | not all rf-smatcard is NFC | 16:24 |
| jabis | yeh | 16:24 |
| jabis | it would be cool to load up my transpass via N9 :P | 16:25 |
| Corsac | well, Navigo uses Calypso standard, which is NFC afact | 16:25 |
| Corsac | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigo_pass | 16:25 |
| jabis | tho I remember seeing the specs of our system, it's quite heavily ciphered | 16:26 |
| Corsac | http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passe_Navigo is more detailed, but more french to | 16:26 |
| jabis | our "Matkakortti" uses DESfire | 16:27 |
| jabis | "use once"-cards are MIFARE Ultralight | 16:28 |
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| jabis | 48bit 3DES or 128bit AES depending on the age of the card | 16:29 |
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| deram | somebody got the bluetooth keyboard working: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/11/connect-bluetooth-keyboard-n9/ | 16:31 |
| jabis | there's already a topic in maemotalk I'd recall | 16:32 |
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| deram | jabis: ok.. I have to start following that also... I just recall this issue was thought here last week.. | 16:33 |
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| Corsac | btw, is there a way to install harmattan sdk somewhere else than /scratchbox? | 16:40 |
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| * Arkenoi still cannot see any reason why nfc was castrated out on n950 -- how does nokia expect people to develop nfc apps? | 16:44 | |
| Robot101 | Arkenoi: at a guess, expense/timing of certifying another device | 16:46 |
| Arkenoi | is it necessary to get certification for developer devices? | 16:47 |
| Arkenoi | i doubt that | 16:47 |
| jonni | Corsac: by making ln -s directory to somewhere else before installing, or if you just want to compile for N9 and dont want to use scratchbox then just install latest Qt SDK | 16:47 |
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| Arkenoi | they could just leave it there | 16:48 |
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| Arkenoi | inofficially | 16:48 |
| neal | Arkenoi: fcc certification is necessary | 16:48 |
| Arkenoi | neal: i think it is generic non-interference only, no need to certify it as kosher nfc | 16:48 |
| neal | Arkenoi: Every firmware release needs to be checked by the fcc | 16:49 |
| Arkenoi | pretty stupid | 16:49 |
| Arkenoi | why doesn't fcc need to check os on my computer? on my wireless router? whatever? | 16:50 |
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| Arkenoi | or do i violate fcc rules once i install software ap or ddwrt? | 16:50 |
| neal | there's a different between installing something and distributing it | 16:50 |
| Arkenoi | you may sell usb nfc reader without any software at all | 16:51 |
| neal | nevertheless, if you start sending on at&t's frequency's, you can expect a visit from the fcc | 16:51 |
| Arkenoi | and any software for it separately | 16:51 |
| Arkenoi | a | 16:51 |
| Arkenoi | and fcc won't complain | 16:51 |
| Arkenoi | why is the phone different? | 16:51 |
| nibbler | Arkenoi: because you don't sell your computer in large volumes on the open market as it's just one thing. | 16:52 |
| Arkenoi | nibbler: those who do get just generic non-interference certification | 16:52 |
| Arkenoi | and no one pokes his nose into firmware and software | 16:52 |
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| Arkenoi | also how do you distinguish one from another? | 16:53 |
| nibbler | Arkenoi: 802.11* hardware needs to be fcc approved too. | 16:53 |
| nibbler | Arkenoi: it's the main reason why there is no open-source firmware for e.g. atheros. | 16:53 |
| Arkenoi | nibbler: hardware, yes. software, no | 16:53 |
| Arkenoi | damn, you may legally buy all-software radio and do whatever you want | 16:54 |
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| Arkenoi | and it would be stupid to prevent one from doing that | 16:54 |
| nibbler | Arkenoi: i'm not arguing for the fcc - especially as i'm not affected at all by what they are doing :-) just explaining. | 16:54 |
| Venemo | hey guys | 16:55 |
| Arkenoi | nibbler: i am pretty sure a good lawyer can make all that non-issue. thousands of small and big companies do manufacture and distribute development kits of any kind and fcc never complained about any of those | 16:56 |
| Arkenoi | cannot understand why can that *suddenly* become a problem | 16:56 |
| Arkenoi | i guess someone is overreacting. i remember nokia 9000 with 48-bit DES | 16:56 |
| nibbler | at least those times are over luckily - we won the crypto war. | 16:57 |
| Arkenoi | though it was *never* manufactured in US and even *never* sold in US so there was simply no way for it to be subject of US export restrictions | 16:57 |
| Arkenoi | but still some asshole decided it would be "safer" to castrate SSL there! | 16:58 |
| Arkenoi | (i wish he got his ass kicked later) | 16:58 |
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| Arkenoi | nibbler: about open firmware -- i wish chinese comrades would not give a flying fsck to those concerns, but there is different problem -- in a country where everyone steals^Wcopies, they are over-jealous about any "intellectual property" so open firmwares are simillary rare there :-( | 17:01 |
| Arkenoi | that sucks | 17:01 |
| Arkenoi | fsck fcc, fsck gsm association, itu and ip morons | 17:01 |
| nibbler | Arkenoi: when dealing with people from .cn i often have the general problem that they seemingly just don't care about software licensing at all. | 17:02 |
| nibbler | so in the end they even end up voilating gpl just due to carelessness. | 17:02 |
| nibbler | but i guess that's a discussion that is entirely off-topic here :-) | 17:03 |
| Arkenoi | nibbler: yes. would be not so harmful if they cared about QA at least, but they do not either | 17:03 |
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| nibbler | haha :) true. | 17:03 |
| Arkenoi | so most chinese things are broken and no one knows how to fix it :) | 17:03 |
| nibbler | indeed | 17:04 |
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| gri | NOOOO I am so stupid | 17:23 |
| gri | searching an error for one hour ... and I always looked at the wrong file :/ | 17:23 |
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| djszapi | Does anybody have spotify installed ? | 17:28 |
| djszapi | can someone please give me the relevant /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf entry ? | 17:28 |
| jonni | managed to install myself über develsh with all the credentials, makes developing a bit easier. # accli -I |wc -> 216 219 4933 | 17:29 |
| Venemo | jonni, N9 or N950? | 17:29 |
| jonni | Venemo: N9 | 17:29 |
| djszapi | Venemo: o/ | 17:30 |
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| Venemo | hey djszapi :) | 17:30 |
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| flux | jonni, does 'dmesg' work for you as well? | 17:31 |
| jonni | flux: yes it does | 17:31 |
| djszapi | security hole ? | 17:31 |
| Venemo | jonni, if it has a remote chance of working on da N950, please tell us how you did it | 17:31 |
| jonni | Venemo: I have the same thing running on N950 too ;) | 17:32 |
| flux | perhaps just requesting the credentials works? | 17:32 |
| Venemo | jonni, I'm interested in running '/usr/sbin/aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec' - does that work? | 17:32 |
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| Venemo | jonni, if it does, please tell me how you hacked it. | 17:34 |
| djszapi | I would really love to not speak about security holes, at least not in public .. | 17:34 |
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| Venemo | djszapi, you're right | 17:35 |
| pawky | well it depends... | 17:35 |
| flux | well, even with the capabilities, you still need to sign each and every binary in the system, right?-) | 17:35 |
| djszapi | it might save you one command, but potential danger for the Harmattan users. | 17:35 |
| pawky | security by osbcurity is no way to go... | 17:35 |
| djszapi | pawky: please do not start it again. Was discussed gazillion times on this channel | 17:36 |
| jonni | Venemo: yep it works, but Im not posting possible holes in public. Actually there is multiple ways to to do it. One is the hole thingie, and second way is just to boot once to custom kernel and then reboot back to stock kernel. | 17:37 |
| Arkenoi | haha | 17:38 |
| djszapi | once you reboot custom kernel, warranty void | 17:38 |
| Arkenoi | potential danger for harmattan users | 17:38 |
| Venemo | jonni, I've pinged you in private. | 17:38 |
| djszapi | you would probably like to think that twice ... | 17:38 |
| flux | btw, where does it say that custom kernel voids warranty? | 17:38 |
| djszapi | the screen ? | 17:39 |
| djszapi | for instance .. | 17:39 |
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| jonni | but that warning goes away when you boot back to stock kernel | 17:40 |
| flux | oh, so there's a warning when you boot a custom kernel? | 17:40 |
| flux | the device's online documentation doesn't seem to mention it | 17:40 |
| djszapi | jonni: so what .. ? | 17:40 |
| djszapi | the screen clearly states goodbye warranty.. | 17:40 |
| djszapi | flux: yes, of course. | 17:40 |
| * Stskeeps agrees with djszapi - warranty is void when you flash custom | 17:41 | |
| djszapi | jonni: actually, I am happy it does not spam me all the time | 17:41 |
| flux | isn't it a bit too late at that point, of is there a way to stop at that point? | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | flux: there's like a few warnings before that. | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | in the flasher binary, etc.. | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | eula, and so n.. | 17:41 |
| jonni | djszapi: yep screen says, but afaik that state is not stored permanently anywhere... :) | 17:41 |
| djszapi | jonni: it is ? | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | jonni: it is possible to detect | 17:42 |
| flux | funny how the device search finds nothing with 'eula' | 17:42 |
| flux | so, my flasher says: "WARNING: This tool is intended for professional use only. Using it may result in permanently damaging your device or losing the warranty." | 17:46 |
| flux | so is there a more stricter version of that statement, indicating that a custom kernel will without doubt void the warranty? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | i think that's a fairly sane warning that it might cause you trouble | 17:47 |
| flux | I can easily understand that the writing a new bootloader might not the best idea | 17:48 |
| jonni | but if your not even flashing custom, just booting into it without flashing :)... ohwell anyways who needs warranty | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flux: when flasher is used in OCF with a proper image bundled, I guess that warning will >/dev/nul | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | the more strict warning displays on device after flashing non-signed kernel to it | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonni: so what when you boot to loaded kernel instead of flashing it? it may still cause hw damage - or was your intention to say this might trick the warranty-void issue? | 18:03 |
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| pawky | Am I the only one getting "Can't install, unresolved error" frequently when trying to install from OVI stores? I need to reboot to make it work again... | 18:18 |
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| qt-dsa | hello everybody, can somebody, tell me if nokia n9 supports mkv with xvid and mp3 ? are the subtitles srt supported ? | 18:47 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, does the harmattan toolchain use hardfloat? | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 18:55 |
| razvanpetru | pawky: also get that quite frequently | 18:56 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: and do you know if n950 and n9 share the same kernel? (I got the sources from harmattan-dev but there's no rm696_defconfig, so just in case) | 18:58 |
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| Corsac | and that means I need to find a hf toolchain, since I'd like to not use scratchbox if possible :/ | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: AFAIK | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | kernel doesn't have to be hf though | 19:00 |
| Corsac | won't cause issues with modules? | 19:01 |
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| e33 | hi guys | 19:02 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Hackers mistake French rugby site for German stock exchange | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: french and german, who can tell the difference.. | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:02 |
| Venemo | achipa, ping | 19:02 |
| RST38h | STskeeps: And the membership base of both sites consists of the same pathological gamblers | 19:03 |
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| pawky | Am I the only one who's N9 reboots after every 10-20 actions on it? djszapi said it could be a hardware failiure, would anone else agree upon it? | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Flash it. | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | If not, it's likely to be hardware | 19:23 |
| andre__ | and what does the syslog say, for reboot reasons? | 19:23 |
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| pawky | SpeedEvil: did that 2 hours ago, still the same.. | 19:24 |
| pawky | andre__ i'll check.. | 19:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Then I'd tend to agree it's a hardware fault. | 19:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless it's some software bug due to a configuration issue that only hits you. | 19:26 |
| pawky | LOL, yeah it usually hits only me... | 19:26 |
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| Corsac | pawky: Handtec batch? | 19:34 |
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| pawky | ? | 19:35 |
| pawky | Corsac: what do you mean? | 19:36 |
| pawky | It's bought from a store. | 19:36 |
| Corsac | pawky: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=79576 | 19:38 |
| Corsac | uh, why on earth is it an ITT url? | 19:39 |
| Corsac | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79576 works too anyway :) | 19:39 |
| pawky | oh.. mine is bought in Sweden, Dustin | 19:39 |
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| dabukalam | aegis sucks | 19:46 |
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| Corsac | arch/arm/boot/zImage: data | 19:47 |
| Corsac | that doesn't look very good | 19:47 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h: here? | 19:51 |
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| RST38h | Hmm...how could it happen??? | 19:54 |
| pawky | ehh... whats the trick login into the N9 using ssh? | 19:54 |
| RST38h | Anyway, I am here now | 19:54 |
| pawky | I have enabled root login in sshd_config | 19:55 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h: how to set up OPDS libraries in fbreader? on harmattan there are no setting responsible for that and even nothing i could find in config files | 19:55 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Harmattan FBreader appears to be a completely rewritten version | 19:56 |
| Corsac | pawky: why not ssh-ing as developer and using devel-su? | 19:56 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: So, I think the answer is "you cannot" | 19:56 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: But you can catch the author here and ask! | 19:56 |
| Arkenoi | and who is the author? (and what is proper repository for fbreader)? i downloaded it from some thir-party site | 19:58 |
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| pawky | Corsac: doesn't work either.. | 19:59 |
| pawky | neither user nor developer works.. | 19:59 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: http://fbreader.org/meego/ | 19:59 |
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| dang__ | does anyone know why the n9 email client is only using the email address in From: and not the actual name? is it possible to change this? | 20:00 |
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| Corsac | pawky: for developer you need to setup a pasword first | 20:01 |
| Corsac | password* | 20:01 |
| Corsac | pawky: use the terminal on the device, use devel-su then passwd developer | 20:01 |
| Corsac | pawky: note that you can also use the “sdk connection” via usb | 20:02 |
| pawky | Corsac: did it.. still not working.. | 20:02 |
| Corsac | note sure if there's a documentation somewhere for that | 20:02 |
| pawky | Corsac, and I am connecting through USB | 20:03 |
| Corsac | ha | 20:03 |
| Corsac | then you need to use the developer account and the random generated password | 20:03 |
| Corsac | launch SDK connection application | 20:03 |
| Corsac | then select usb | 20:03 |
| pawky | Corsac: duh?.. | 20:03 |
| Corsac | and it'll tell you the password | 20:03 |
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| pawky | Corsac: on the phone? | 20:04 |
| Corsac | yes | 20:04 |
| Corsac | (grmbl, why does the sdk installer assume there'll be that much place in /tmp) | 20:04 |
| pawky | Corsac: even though I changed the developer password manually? | 20:04 |
| Corsac | yes | 20:04 |
| pawky | Corsac: and thats a command line softy? | 20:06 |
| Corsac | what? | 20:06 |
| Corsac | no | 20:06 |
| pawky | Corsac.. ohh.. aahhh yeah.. | 20:06 |
| pawky | Corsac: thank you again :-) | 20:08 |
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| Corsac | you're welcome :) | 20:09 |
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| pawky | ok... looking at syslog at best whilst making the unit crash, I can see "cannot connec to X server :0 .. .bla bla.. "error reading r&d mode flag"... yada... "xsession/mthemedaemon is unrecoverable, rebooting" | 20:18 |
| pawky | and all i did was trying to install something from OVI... | 20:19 |
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| pawky | could "i2c_write: Remote I/O error" be pointing towards it being a hardware issue? | 20:23 |
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| Venemo | joppu, ping | 20:35 |
| Venemo | ~seen wazd | 20:35 |
| Venemo | ~seen TheBootroo | 20:35 |
| infobot | wazd <~wazd@broadband-95-84-185-178.nationalcablenetworks.ru> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 15d 20h 54m 27s ago, saying: 'Milhouse: easter egg for geeks? :)'. | 20:36 |
| infobot | thebootroo <58b60b72@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.182.11.114> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 42d 28m 8s ago, saying: '(we already a'. | 20:36 |
| joppu | Venemo: pong | 20:39 |
| Venemo | joppu, do you remember when I asked you to make an icon for Puzzle master? | 20:41 |
| Venemo | joppu, I told you that it wasn't urgent, but now I could use an icon for the app :) | 20:42 |
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| joppu | lemme see... | 20:43 |
| Venemo | joppu, thankyouthankyouthankyou :) | 20:45 |
| Venemo | joppu, the original icon was this, but I don't think it would fit into Harmattan. https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/blobs/master/data/puzzle-master.png | 20:52 |
| joppu | Venemo: http://i.imgur.com/Cx48K.png | 20:59 |
| joppu | something along these lines? | 21:00 |
| Venemo | joppu, you're a genious :) | 21:00 |
| Sazpaimon | jesus, i cant even run strace on my device? | 21:00 |
| Venemo | joppu, I'm not sure about the color, but it looks nice anyway :) | 21:03 |
| joppu | i can change the color to your liking a bit later | 21:04 |
| joppu | started watching a movie atm | 21:04 |
| Venemo | ok | 21:07 |
| Venemo | I think the color will be fine :) | 21:07 |
| Venemo | thank you for making it :) | 21:07 |
| Sazpaimon | https://gitorious.org/mff/mff has anyone tried this to import messages from the N900 to the N9? | 21:12 |
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| achipa | Venemo: pong | 21:53 |
| Venemo | achipa, well, I've already solved the problem I pinged you about :) | 21:54 |
| * achipa impersonates Bender: another job well done ! | 21:54 | |
| Venemo | achipa, but in fact, I could use your opinion about something | 21:55 |
| achipa | ooh, opinions, I'm good with those | 21:55 |
| Venemo | achipa, do you have a Harmattan device handy? | 21:55 |
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| achipa | I'll pretend I didn't hear that :) | 21:56 |
| Venemo | achipa, here is crude, but operational version of my app: sources.venemo.net/harmattan/puzzle-master_0.0.1_armel.deb | 21:57 |
| Venemo | achipa, should I disable swipe for it? | 21:57 |
| Venemo | achipa, if yes, what means should I provide for reenabling it? | 21:57 |
| Venemo | achipa, sorry, stupid new firefox didn't copy the http:// :( | 21:58 |
| Venemo | achipa, here's the URL: http://sources.venemo.net/harmattan/ | 21:58 |
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| Venemo | meh. | 21:59 |
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| Venemo | hey achipa :P | 22:03 |
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| achipa | bam | 22:03 |
| achipa | my qt sdk updater blew up | 22:03 |
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| achipa | in a very nasty manner | 22:04 |
| achipa | let's do it again ! | 22:04 |
| Venemo | achipa, did you manage to install the .deb to your N9(50)? | 22:04 |
| achipa | can you post the link again (the updater killed the whole desktop) | 22:06 |
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| achipa | okay, not funny, bugreport time | 22:12 |
| achipa | Venemo: and sorry... again :) | 22:12 |
| Venemo | achipa, no problem :) | 22:13 |
| Venemo | achipa, http://sources.venemo.net/harmattan/puzzle-master_0.0.1_armel.deb | 22:13 |
| Venemo | joppu, could you please make me a higher-res version of that icon? | 22:15 |
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| joppu | Venemo: sure, in an hour | 22:17 |
| Venemo | joppu, ok, thanks :) | 22:17 |
| Venemo | joppu, I'm thinking 256×256 or higher | 22:18 |
| Venemo | achipa, obviously it's not much yet, but the question is, in your opinion, should I disable swipe for this kind of app? | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it sane to reduce the vertical playing field? | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I note that swipe has bugs. | 22:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I've 'swiped out' of gof2. | 22:27 |
| SpeedEvil | When what I did was press the screen in discrete presses on the top and bottom. | 22:27 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil, not really. the puzzle pieces are too small to be conveniently multitouched even in the current size. | 22:27 |
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| Kleggas | Hi. Has anyone had problems where root password suddenly changes on N9? Its not changed back to default "rootme" and its not the one it has been since I bought it... I can not suddenly ssh into my device | 22:42 |
| Kleggas | devel-su still works, but not ssh in as root | 22:42 |
| jonni | root login is disabled by default if you dont have r&d cert, you need to ssh in with developer-user, or hack around sshd_config to enable root login on ssh | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yeah, fast touches at opposize sides of screen work well for a swipe action substitute | 22:44 |
| Kleggas | is that with some update? Can not remember I updated anything today... been using root until earlier today (perhaps I enabled it through some website when I bought the phone, but root has been working) | 22:44 |
| jonni | Kleggas: that came with update yes | 22:45 |
| Kleggas | phew, I started thinking lots of weird things (like someone being in my device and changing password for root) :p | 22:46 |
| Venemo | hm | 22:48 |
| Venemo | do I see it right that the N950 can only handle 6 touch points? | 22:48 |
| joppu | Venemo: http://i.imgur.com/46VJD.png | 22:54 |
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| arcean | Venemo: yes, you're right | 22:54 |
| djszapi | 19:23 < pawky> Am I the only one who's N9 reboots after every 10-20 actions on it? djszapi said it could be a hardware failiure, would anone else agree upon it? -> huh ? | 22:54 |
| djszapi | never said .. | 22:54 |
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| Venemo | arcean, thx :) | 22:54 |
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| Venemo | joppu, wow, thank you :) | 22:54 |
| Venemo | joppu, you rock | 22:55 |
| Venemo | joppu, can I add your name to the about dialog? like this: "Icon designed by Johannes Siipola" | 22:56 |
| joppu | surely | 22:56 |
| djszapi | Venemo: http://tinyurl.com/28o8l7s | 22:56 |
| djszapi | you rule :) | 22:56 |
| Venemo | djszapi, :) | 22:56 |
| Venemo | djszapi, "You rock" is actually the text that's displayed in Puzzle Master when you win :) | 22:57 |
| djszapi | =) | 22:58 |
| Venemo | well, not exactly there yet on the new QML version. | 22:59 |
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| Venemo | achipa, can I ask you something else? | 23:02 |
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| hayt | How can I remove the StarHub carrier branding (standby screen, boot splash, apps) from my N9? Will the PR 1.1 install get rid of that? | 23:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Wacky. | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Branded n9s. | 23:34 |
| Venemo | hayt, maybe reflash with an official image? | 23:36 |
| hayt | Venemo: That's what I was wondering about PR 1.1. Will that be a reflash, or is it just software updates? | 23:38 |
| Venemo | hayt, I think you can either reflash or do an OTA update. | 23:39 |
| Venemo | hayt, well, 1.1 is not there yet for the N9 AFAIK | 23:39 |
| hayt | Right, supposed to be released soon from what I understand. | 23:40 |
| Venemo | yeah | 23:40 |
| Venemo | I think | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing a branded N9 with an unbranded genuine image may fail | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | remember? certs | 23:42 |
| Venemo | OMFG | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I hope not. | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | That would be sad. | 23:44 |
| hayt | Shoot, I was hoping there'd be an easy way. Nothing against StarHub but I don't want their logo everywhere. | 23:44 |
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