| artemma | djszapi: subdir in /var/tmp created under user can be modified by developer, but not by root | 00:00 |
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| djszapi | obviously, but we are not speaking about that | 00:00 |
| djszapi | artemma: yes, of course, but do not confuse others pls. | 00:00 |
| djszapi | you asked for a writable location | 00:00 |
| djszapi | /var/tmp /is/ a writable location | 00:00 |
| djszapi | ofc developer can develop things, root cannot. That is the design after all on /purpose/. | 00:00 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: I don't think so. I can only pass command line to alarmd. If I can set user from that command line, I'll do that | 00:00 |
| djszapi | but you have the place to write in any case. | 00:00 |
| wook | :D | 00:00 |
| artemma | djszapi: thanks, indeed | 00:00 |
| * djszapi does not really still see the issue | 00:01 | |
| artemma | djszapi: how can you not see the issue, really? I wanted to save a file and I was not able to do so. That was the issue | 00:01 |
| artemma | now trying solutions and workarounds | 00:01 |
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| djszapi | /var/tmp works as I said from the minute first | 00:02 |
| djszapi | you said not, it /should/. | 00:02 |
| artemma | djszapi: well, I was failing to understand you | 00:02 |
| djszapi | still saying what in the first minute. No issue | 00:02 |
| artemma | thanks for the patience | 00:02 |
| wook | artemma, what are you working on? :) | 00:02 |
| artemma | wook, changes wallpaper every day/hour/week | 00:03 |
| artemma | to fresh one from flickr | 00:03 |
| wook | aha, but why do you need that path? | 00:03 |
| artemma | it is working perfectly on my device for over a week, but customers somehow have problems :) | 00:03 |
| djszapi | also, it is not true root cannot write into user folders. | 00:03 |
| djszapi | it /can/ write if the others bit is writable. | 00:04 |
| wook | artemma, mind if i try it? :) | 00:04 |
| artemma | wook: most of the time the code is run by the system. So file access rights and pemissions can clash | 00:04 |
| djszapi | it really is basic linux thingie :) | 00:04 |
| artemma | wook, sure you can. It was even published in ovi store until 10 min ago :) | 00:04 |
| wook | what's name, artemma? :) | 00:04 |
| artemma | but only after I fix this issue | 00:04 |
| artemma | wook, doesn't matter as it's removed for now | 00:05 |
| artemma | Daily wallpaper it was | 00:05 |
| wook | aha :) ok :) | 00:05 |
| wook | hope will see it soon ;) | 00:05 |
| deram | now I'm scared... things in ovi shop can mess up filesystem that bad... | 00:05 |
| wook | deram, dpkg, apt-get...can fix it i think | 00:06 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 00:06 |
| jabis | what did I miss? | 00:06 |
| wook | not much, jabis :) | 00:06 |
| deram | if that /.local... stuff was really sticky folders etc.. | 00:06 |
| artemma | deram: well, my problem is that they cannot messup with the file system, so don't be that scared :) | 00:06 |
| wook | hahahaha, artemma :D | 00:07 |
| jabis | so one cannot rm -rf /* for the fuck of it x) | 00:07 |
| wook | artemma, are you only changing wallpaper on lockscreen or? | 00:07 |
| deram | yep.. will just think before install even in ovi.. not a problem... | 00:07 |
| jabis | pardon my french - I really need to start paying attention to my language x) | 00:08 |
| wook | hahahahaha jabis :D | 00:08 |
| Venemo | alterego, ping | 00:08 |
| artemma | hmm, setuid doesn't seem to be present in the system | 00:08 |
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| artemma | DocScrutinizer: were you talking about command line utility setuid or some C function setuid? | 00:08 |
| jabis | artemma: http://linux.die.net/man/2/setuid | 00:12 |
| artemma | thanks, jabis, reading about these bits now | 00:13 |
| artemma | hmm, I figured that in PR1.1 my app isn't run as root in fact | 00:13 |
| jabis | glibc has a wrapper for it | 00:13 |
| artemma | I did see it under root | 00:13 |
| artemma | but now I see that it's run under nobody | 00:13 |
| artemma | why is this nobody guy? | 00:14 |
| artemma | I mean who is this nobody guy | 00:14 |
| jabis | nobody is an unprivileged user | 00:14 |
| artemma | and I guess this nobody guy really cannot write to anywhere | 00:15 |
| jabis | it's used for anonymous file-system access | 00:16 |
| jabis | mainly for daemons that is | 00:16 |
| artemma | hmm, so a simple chmod should make my app always start under user regardless of who tries it | 00:16 |
| * wook is away | 00:17 | |
| jabis | chmod changes file user permissions | 00:18 |
| artemma | Qt Creator installs my app so that it's main binary is registered under root.. Is it different when installing from ovi store? | 00:18 |
| artemma | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 94952 Nov 3 00:03 flickrwallpapersapp | 00:19 |
| * artemma is going to try chmod u+s | 00:19 | |
| Arkenoi | jabis: cannot install bedisde -- aegis sucks | 00:19 |
| artemma | can't see and setuid in ls -l | 00:20 |
| artemma | can't see setuid via ls -l | 00:20 |
| artemma | maybe console user doesn't have permission to change this bit | 00:20 |
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| jabis | Arkenoi: ? devel-su - dpkg -i bedside*.deb | 00:21 |
| artemma | I wonder if I could set setuid bit during deployment somehow | 00:21 |
| jabis | artemma, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-2.3/creator-developing-maemo.html check the last paragraph (testing with user data | 00:22 |
| artemma | oh, numeric chmod worked | 00:22 |
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| jabis | Arkenoi: of course those two commands on different lines ^^ | 00:23 |
| Arkenoi | jabis: denied mce::TKLockControl -- origina com.nokia.maemo/ovi does not allow it | 00:23 |
| artemma | I managed to set setuid, still alaem daemon is running my binary as nobody | 00:23 |
| artemma | jabis: yeah, I am using console under different users | 00:24 |
| Arkenoi | ah, seems that is was installed anyways | 00:26 |
| Arkenoi | but no desktop icon | 00:26 |
| Arkenoi | just the binary | 00:26 |
| wook | guys, see you later | 00:27 |
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| jabis | would need the sources to get rid of them mce token calls | 00:28 |
| jabis | Arkenoi: you could try to force the installation (not a good practise) so you get the desktop file in place | 00:29 |
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| artemma | hooray! | 00:34 |
| artemma | I solved it! | 00:34 |
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| artemma | Well, workarounded :) | 00:34 |
| artemma | wook, you still want to give it a try? | 00:35 |
| artemma | oups, he left already | 00:35 |
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| Sazpaimon | so my mom called me and told me she got an N9 | 01:28 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont even remember telling her about it | 01:28 |
| Sazpaimon | let alone how she managed to get one | 01:28 |
| Sazpaimon | its the 16GB version though | 01:29 |
| Sazpaimon | how fast do they fill up | 01:29 |
| Sazpaimon | and if 16 is too little, how would I best exchange it for a 64GB one | 01:30 |
| * special thinks 16 is plenty | 01:30 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | 16 is not 16 | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | 4 is / 4 is /home 8 is MyDocs | 01:33 |
| Sazpaimon | Im at 22GB on my N900 mydocs | 01:34 |
| Sazpaimon | used | 01:34 |
| Sazpaimon | but thats all dev stuff | 01:34 |
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| Sazpaimon | i also have 19 gigs of xbox 360 games on it | 01:35 |
| Sazpaimon | I think its la noire | 01:37 |
| Sazpaimon | and part of duke nuke forever | 01:37 |
| Sazpaimon | so i guess if i dont use my phone as a seedbox I should be ok | 01:39 |
| Sazpaimon | ill look into an exchange once 64G models become more plentiful | 01:40 |
| Sazpaimon | and thus less expensive | 01:40 |
| special | only reason I would buy 64 is if I can't get white in 16gb :p | 01:40 |
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| Sazpaimon | so the N9 browser, it has no plugin support at all right? | 01:45 |
| Sazpaimon | nevermind flash, just plugins in general | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if it technically has plugin support. If users or devs can add plugins is another question. | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It should be possible to install your own browser. | 01:49 |
| Sazpaimon | i was thinking of trying to port lightspark | 01:55 |
| Sazpaimon | it failed on the N900 because the screen only supports 16 bit colors while lightspark is made for 24 bit colors | 01:56 |
| Sazpaimon | the N9 theoretically has 24 bit support, albeit buggy | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 01:57 |
| Sazpaimon | what happens when you do about:plugins in the browser | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | blank page | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | As does about:\ | 01:59 |
| Sazpaimon | hm | 02:00 |
| Sazpaimon | i thing about:config is mozilla-centriv | 02:01 |
| Sazpaimon | *centric | 02:01 |
| Sazpaimon | even opera mobile has an about:plugins | 02:02 |
| Sazpaimon | and that for sure has no plugin support | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | settings->applications->web is almost blank | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Browser doesn't seem to expose anything on the commandline | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | cmdline? HAH, not even fremantle notes was able to take the file to edit as a cmdline parameter | 02:10 |
| Sazpaimon | im pretty sure tombile gave me the wrong microsim | 02:11 |
| Sazpaimon | because I can use it just fine on my n900 | 02:12 |
| Sazpaimon | iirc the n9 uses a different type of microsim than the cut regular sim | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think there *are* any different types of mycrosim | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | micro SIM* | 02:15 |
| Sazpaimon | ive seen microsims that have smaller contacts than regular sims | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | The exact size isn't important | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | the specified landing points of the 6 (?) contacts is specified. | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Nothing else | 02:18 |
| Sazpaimon | okay | 02:21 |
| Sazpaimon | im pretty surprised how well a microsim fits in an n900 | 02:21 |
| Sazpaimon | worked on my first try | 02:21 |
| Sazpaimon | fit pretty snuggly and not moving around | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a microsim in mine. | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I took a slightly different approach. | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I cut it out of the card it shipped in with a chisel. | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | So it's the same shape as a normal SIM. | 02:22 |
| Sazpaimon | hah | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | It's on an 'IPAD' plan. | 02:22 |
| Sazpaimon | ell thats not really needed, it fits just fine as is | 02:22 |
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| Sazpaimon | all this phone needs now is sleeping sreen | 04:35 |
| Sazpaimon | from the symbian dudes | 04:35 |
| Sazpaimon | so like | 04:46 |
| Sazpaimon | i cant find the setting to enable swype | 04:46 |
| special | Sazpaimon: n950? | 04:50 |
| special | Sazpaimon: time and language -> text input, enable it and set it as the active input method. | 04:51 |
| Sazpaimon | nope, N9 | 04:52 |
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| Sazpaimon | austrailian version, I think | 04:52 |
| Sazpaimon | from what im reading swype isnt in my firmware version, gotta wait for PR1.1 | 04:52 |
| special | yeah. | 04:52 |
| dymaxion | Hi there. wow lots of people here :-) Got my N9 and liking it so far. | 04:52 |
| Sazpaimon | why isnt openssh-server in init.d | 05:04 |
| Sazpaimon | no matter, I got ssh working with root login now | 05:05 |
| Sazpaimon | okay, where do I get bash from | 05:11 |
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| Sazpaimon | because i cant seem to find it in the official repo | 05:20 |
| Sazpaimon | also | 05:21 |
| Sazpaimon | W: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/299/./Packages.gz The requested URL returned error: 404 | 05:21 |
| Sazpaimon | managed to just install it from a deb | 05:29 |
| Sazpaimon | anyway, this rdesktop port is pretty useless on an N9 | 05:29 |
| Sazpaimon | no keyboard | 05:29 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders when n9 people will outnumber n950 | 06:16 | |
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| Sazpaimon | i would have an n950 if nokia responded to my developer signup request | 06:21 |
| Sazpaimon | i had a legitimate reason to own an N9 | 06:21 |
| Sazpaimon | *n950 | 06:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are regrettably many n950s that aren't being used productively. | 06:34 |
| psycho_oreos | and there's no way nokia will hand them out ever again | 06:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I kinda suspect there are a couple of K sitting in a warehouse. | 06:36 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 06:36 |
| psycho_oreos | yup, it'll never be handed out. I bet nokia offices still has those by the boxfuls. Never bothered to even worry about it and let the device sit there | 06:37 |
| psycho_oreos | there's loads and loads of maemo owners out there who would love to have just one N950, but nokia is as useful as Uncle Scrooge | 06:39 |
| iekku | morning | 06:42 |
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| Sazpaimon | the remaining N950s are probably pre-selected to be replacements | 06:59 |
| Sazpaimon | oh ffs | 07:00 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia still uses scratchbox for N9 development | 07:00 |
| Sazpaimon | gotta get the bootstrap then | 07:00 |
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| npm | wow, i have few remaining days, if any, to decide what to do w/ my n900's under-warranty cracked display, which i should attempt to replace | 07:14 |
| npm | any suggestions | 07:14 |
| npm | i didn't want to deal w/ it because it's running all the stuff i want, in my bedroom, and the cracked display still lets me put music on at night and tell it to play for 60 m | 07:15 |
| psycho_oreos | pre-selected for replacements? then when will MohammadAG get his replacement N950 that was lost because of the customs/courier? | 07:16 |
| npm | plus i gotta use it soon to sync my n950.... maybe i should just keep it... | 07:16 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: ofc he should | 07:16 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: I am assuming there are enough replacements for the 300 to get them replaced about 4 times | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | does anyone have their ssh connection suddenly stop working on an N9 | 07:16 |
| npm | and it beeps handily whenever someone skypes or gmails or chats or ...'s me | 07:16 |
| npm | whattodowhattodo...guess i'll add some features to http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/ | 07:17 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, and until MohammadAG says he has received his replacement N950 I'm willing to remain skeptic that the N950 sitting somewhere in boxes doing nothing other than looking pretty is just a tell tale sign that nokia will never want to hand those out | 07:18 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: well, yeah, I wouldn't mind paying a little for another N950 though, testing two different things on different phones is always a nice thing | 07:19 |
| npm | what i'd really like is an n950 build like a panasonic toughbook | 07:19 |
| npm | even if somewhat larger | 07:19 |
| psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, yet the irony is that there's plenty of us out there who would be happy to get our hands on one N950, even if we had to pay for it | 07:19 |
| npm | my giant sunglasses case and hair-tie is not so stylish, plus the backpack i ususally end up carrying around for the sunglasses case :-) | 07:20 |
| npm | which holds the n950 | 07:20 |
| npm | but hey if they got warehouses of replacements, maybe i shouldn't treat it like i was a religious relic.... | 07:21 |
| psycho_oreos | on the contrary should you lose/damage that N950 you may not be able to get a replacement which will bring you to the same level as MohammadAG | 07:22 |
| npm | yeah, thus the large "serengeti" case | 07:24 |
| npm | actually it's not a religous relic as much as a rare pet... the last of the meegekans | 07:25 |
| hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: sadly yeah, wish Nokia would just give them to deserving devs | 07:33 |
| hiemanshu | also whats with default Qt Creator template now having qmlapplicationviewer for Harmattan | 07:34 |
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| Sazpaimon | how do I get git on the harmattan sdk | 07:47 |
| Sazpaimon | i cant seem to find it in the default repositories | 07:47 |
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| djszapi | SpeedEvil: As I know - it is not possible to flash anything on the device if it is locked - without full data erase. (if it is not so - it is a regression in PR1.2) | 08:30 |
| djszapi | When 'clear device' option will be used for the flasher - device lock will be removed + user data will be removed also. | 08:30 |
| djszapi | I have just tried and it did not work, so please do not say false things. | 08:31 |
| djszapi | so strongly. | 08:31 |
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| dm8tbr | hm he left | 08:38 |
| dm8tbr | I wonder if device lock prevents this: flasher --load -k vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader -n initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n950 --boot | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | it does | 08:38 |
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| dm8tbr | ok, thanks | 08:38 |
| dm8tbr | that would make dual-booting for me quite cumbersome as I have to use device lock due to MfE | 08:39 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 08:42 |
| Sazpaimon | harmattan could use a http://maemo.org/packages/ variant | 08:45 |
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| Sazpaimon | i cant even browse the sdk repository directory | 09:03 |
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| RST38bis | Well. Moo. | 09:48 |
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| RST38h | good moorning | 09:52 |
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| Sazpaimon | has anyone build ffmpeg for harmattan? | 10:02 |
| Sazpaimon | its a dependency for lightspark and I want to know if there's a deb for libavcodec anywhere before i go out of my way to build ffmpeg | 10:02 |
| xarcass | Sazpaimon: there was a guy maybe a month ago, who has successfully built ffmpeg, but I cannot remember his nick. Begins with 'r', but I'm not sure | 10:05 |
| xarcass | Sazpaimon: found it in channel logs: "rm_worknpm: ah, got it! need to test it out, but looks like ffmpeg finally compiled" | 10:07 |
| Sazpaimon | no deb handy though | 10:08 |
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| dm8tbr | now if he had used COBS... | 10:08 |
| Sazpaimon | guess Ill do it myself | 10:09 |
| Sazpaimon | with its umpteen dependencies | 10:09 |
| hiemanshu | Sazpaimon: check rzr's repo | 10:09 |
| Sazpaimon | i did | 10:09 |
| Sazpaimon | no libav* in there | 10:10 |
| hiemanshu | ah ok | 10:10 |
| hiemanshu | use the debian package and compile it for harmattan | 10:10 |
| Sazpaimon | thats what I'm doing | 10:10 |
| xarcass | Sazpaimon: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=ffmpeg&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 10:10 |
| Sazpaimon | the squeeze-backports package specifically | 10:10 |
| Sazpaimon | xarcass, build status: excluded | 10:10 |
| xarcass | Sazpaimon: oops | 10:11 |
| hiemanshu | xarcass: thats not for harmattan sadly, it has a .spec and not .dsc :P | 10:11 |
| xarcass | sorry, haven't noticed that. excuse my ignorance | 10:11 |
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| Sazpaimon | oh god none of these codecs exist in harmattan | 10:12 |
| Sazpaimon | anywhere | 10:12 |
| Sazpaimon | I'll need to compile xvid, x264, theora, rtmp | 10:12 |
| hiemanshu | haha | 10:12 |
| Sazpaimon | what a hassle | 10:13 |
| Sazpaimon | there isnt even libmp3lame-dev | 10:13 |
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| mece | Sazpaimon, we need the official(ish) community repo for these things. | 10:14 |
| sandst1 | Sazpaimon: all of those have got possible patent problems, which makes it quite natural that they're not included by default | 10:14 |
| sandst1 | or at least most | 10:14 |
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| RST38h | mece: sheeplauncher.net ? | 10:16 |
| mece | RST38h, what the... what? | 10:17 |
| RST38h | mece: a repository | 10:17 |
| mece | oh. yes. well was thinking about formeego.com | 10:18 |
| Sazpaimon | does the harmattan fennec port support standard netscape plugins | 10:18 |
| Sazpaimon | ie. in /home/user/.mozilla/plugin | 10:18 |
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| hiemanshu | Sazpaimon: http://sheeplauncher.net/debs/ | 10:28 |
| hiemanshu | Sazpaimon: thats were I saw the libav stuff | 10:28 |
| Sazpaimon | are these built for maemo 5 or 6? | 10:30 |
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| Sazpaimon | looks like harmattan, okay | 10:32 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: Do you have an idea for the publish issue about raptor2 I reported on the bugzilla ? | 10:57 |
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| * artemma received "notice of potential Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) infringements with regards to the content you have submitted".. I just allow users to see flickr photos in the app, I don't sell the photos. Aren't all flickr browsers doing the same? | 10:58 | |
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| matrixx | does other flickr browsers allow to save the images on device, or just browse? | 11:00 |
| matrixx | though it shouldn't matter, aren't the images allowed to be used in non-commercial purposes anyway | 11:01 |
| artemma | matrixx: there are different ones. There are automated wallpaper setters for Windows for example | 11:01 |
| artemma | matrixx: no most of images are never allowed to use for free, but it shouldn't matter as I am not publishing them | 11:01 |
| matrixx | of course if some other app does it, it's not a proof that they are allowed to do it either :) | 11:02 |
| artemma | well, I am still hoping for clarification. In the worst case I'll have to switch to some crappy free for commerial use group :) | 11:02 |
| decibyte | artemma: i think they may be right if you start selling your app. | 11:02 |
| artemma | BTW, if you like, you can beta-test the fixed version | 11:02 |
| artemma | works by now | 11:02 |
| artemma | decibyte: selling the app is different from selling the photo | 11:02 |
| artemma | actually price of app shouldn't matter at all (mine is free, but there should be no difference) | 11:03 |
| matrixx | artemma: great, I can't right now, but after 18PM I can | 11:03 |
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| decibyte | artemma: well... _I_ agree, but I'm sure their lawyers will convince the court that you are selling access to the photos. | 11:03 |
| decibyte | artemma: i actually thought about it yesterday, that you might be doing something they don't like. | 11:04 |
| artemma | well, I am trying to browse flickr faqs and terms and google, pretty difficult stuff to me | 11:04 |
| artemma | decibyte: there are other flickr browsers in ovi store | 11:04 |
| artemma | plenty of them | 11:04 |
| artemma | maybe it was just some buyer clicking on "report" link | 11:04 |
| artemma | need to clarify it in the app description maybe | 11:05 |
| djszapi | artemma: you always say what other apps do, but do you ever consider if other apps do things good ? | 11:05 |
| decibyte | artemma: but! if you make sure to only serve public domain photos or those licenced with a cc licence allowing redistribution, you will be okay. | 11:05 |
| artemma | djszapi: yeah, I tried thinking it over with the power available to my mind | 11:05 |
| decibyte | artemma: flickr may have also sent ingfringement notices to other app developers. | 11:06 |
| artemma | matrixx: here's a link if you'd like to give it a try - http://bit.ly/w1yl5B | 11:06 |
| matrixx | I'll save it in my backlog, I'm not at my own puter right now | 11:06 |
| artemma | decibyte: I don't think users should be prevented from searching for copyrighted images. Maybe I should not do that by default though | 11:07 |
| decibyte | artemma: unfortunately it's not about what _you_ think, but what _they_ think | 11:07 |
| artemma | again, I think even searching for copyrighted stuff doesn't break anything, but at least user will have a chance to read the copyright warning before seeing the copyrighted pics | 11:07 |
| decibyte | again, you're in a grey area if you start charging money for delivering the images. | 11:09 |
| artemma | app is going to stay free at least until I see if there's enough interest | 11:10 |
| artemma | well, until Christmas I promised to keep it free for sure | 11:10 |
| decibyte | but i'm a bit surprised that a web savvy company like flickr(/yahoo) is this rigid when it comes to this. | 11:10 |
| artemma | I don't think yahoo itself posted the notice :) | 11:10 |
| decibyte | who sent it? | 11:10 |
| artemma | that's what I am trying to figure out now | 11:11 |
| artemma | that was just email from ovi store suport | 11:11 |
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| decibyte | oh | 11:11 |
| decibyte | maybe it's the ovi staff preempting a possible lawsuit. just trying to clear their back. | 11:12 |
| artemma | maybe | 11:12 |
| artemma | well, some flickr apps are in the ovi store, I don't mind complying with ovi regulations een if they are more strict than what law actually requires. I just need to know the limits | 11:13 |
| decibyte | there's so much stupidity and fear in the copyright field. and too many companies with too much money to spend og too expensive lawyers. | 11:13 |
| decibyte | very sad if this kills your great idea | 11:14 |
| decibyte | maybe you could do your homework, contact flickr and ask if it's okay what you're doing--even if you're planning to sell the app. if they're okay with it, then tell it to the ovi people. | 11:15 |
| RST38h | artemma: sheeplauncher.net then | 11:16 |
| artemma | i don't think flickr clearly replies to this kind of requests - they protect themselves as well. And if they do answer, these answer got to be online somewhere - I am searching fro it | 11:17 |
| decibyte | okay | 11:17 |
| artemma | RST38h: ? | 11:17 |
| decibyte | good luck, anyways :) | 11:17 |
| RST38h | artemma: Contact rm_you here, ask him to upload your stuff to his repo | 11:18 |
| RST38h | artemma: So that it is available for all Harmattan users. | 11:18 |
| artemma | RST38h: I want to bring app to all the ovi users | 11:18 |
| artemma | there's too small amount of N9 owners to limit app even more, only to guys who know about repos | 11:19 |
| RST38h | artemma: Ovi evidently disagrees with you | 11:19 |
| RST38h | artemma: But I am sure you can submit a bunch of "apps" wrapping liveinternet.ru URLs to Ovi and these will pass all checks :) | 11:20 |
| ZogG | RST38h, privet, sup? | 11:21 |
| artemma | ZogG: you forgot "matryoshka" and "vodka" :) | 11:23 |
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| ZogG | artemma i NEVER forget those things | 11:24 |
| matrixx | I have a t-shirt which says, vodka - connecting people :] | 11:25 |
| RST38h | ZogG: The usual shit | 11:25 |
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| ZogG | RST38h got n9 or just n950? | 11:26 |
| RST38h | artemma: file under Apps/Psychedelic if Ovi has such a category (and it really should) | 11:26 |
| RST38h | ZogG: N950 | 11:26 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Got all of my stuff ported to it, except for SlideRule. | 11:26 |
| artemma | matrixx: it does connect people. At least until a certain amount of it :) | 11:26 |
| RST38h | Even managed to push all the apps into Ovi Store | 11:26 |
| matrixx | artemma: yeah :) | 11:27 |
| ZogG | RST38h cool | 11:27 |
| ZogG | thinking of getting n9 | 11:27 |
| splyysh | is possible to use the maps the ovi maps app has downloaded in your own app? | 11:28 |
| RST38h | ZogG: By all means, the system, however doomed it is, is mightly cool | 11:28 |
| RST38h | splyysh: Yes, see QML map api | 11:29 |
| ZogG | RST38h that's the problem, the price for doomed system is too high =) | 11:29 |
| RST38h | I think there is also an MTF widget for displaying these maps | 11:29 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Well, mentally replace it with an Android phone and consider if you are going to be using the same phone in 2 years | 11:30 |
| RST38h | ZogG: And how it is going to be different from not using N9 in 2 years | 11:30 |
| ZogG | i have iphone for now as i had it in box (wanted to sell) and n900 got usb out =( | 11:30 |
| ZogG | RST38h the main question is always the apps | 11:31 |
| ZogG | like whatsapp and so on | 11:31 |
| * gri does not know anyone who uses whatsapp | 11:31 | |
| matrixx | what's whatsapp? | 11:31 |
| gri | a service which uses the push notifications for messaging | 11:31 |
| ZogG | matrixx is cool messenger based on jabber | 11:32 |
| matrixx | ok :) | 11:32 |
| gri | or that | 11:32 |
| gri | something in between :) | 11:32 |
| ZogG | matrixx but you can't replace it with jabber client =( | 11:32 |
| matrixx | ok :/ | 11:33 |
| RST38h | ZogG: You are going to have sufficient amount of apps | 11:33 |
| gri | you can read a lot of rss feeds :P | 11:34 |
| spenap | :D | 11:34 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Not shitloads of them, like on Android, but Android shitloads smell | 11:34 |
| ZogG | i know | 11:34 |
| ZogG | but you know there are always few very good apps noone can port as they are closed source | 11:34 |
| RST38h | Ovi QA is laying eggs this morning! | 11:35 |
| matrixx | I'm already overwhelmed about the number of the apps in ovi store for N9 | 11:36 |
| matrixx | didn't expect that many | 11:36 |
| deram | ZogG: the closed source ones are probably the ones that will be rewritten fastest, if there is something usefull in that app... | 11:37 |
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| gri | if they don't use a proprietary webservice ... | 11:38 |
| ZogG | deram i don't think so, as it lways depends on developer, who would consider that meego phones doesn't worth it | 11:38 |
| ZogG | don't | 11:38 |
| deram | nothing makes opensource dev code faster than knowing there is needed application he can't have | 11:38 |
| deram | but yes.. if it uses proprietary webservice, then it is a problem | 11:39 |
| deram | ZogG: it does not have to be the author of the original program... | 11:39 |
| splyysh | RST38h, I have seen the documentation but cant find a way to use the maps offline | 11:39 |
| splyysh | or switch to night mode like on the maps app on n9 | 11:39 |
| ZogG | derm but not all services provide API =) | 11:40 |
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| gri | ZogG: Sometimes they provide an api if you ask them and tell them your plans even if they don't offer it publicly | 11:40 |
| deram | ZogG: that is true.. but if there is a need, there is a way... even if it means writing new webservice just for that... | 11:41 |
| artemma | Is it really so that there is no ready-made component for selectors (click to open a selection dialog) - http://www.developer.nokia.com/Resources/Library/Symbian_Design_Guidelines/selectors.html | 11:42 |
| artemma | so that kind of button/selector needs to be coded manually | 11:42 |
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| mece | rzr repo works on N9 as well as N950, right? | 11:52 |
| RST38h | no reason why not | 11:54 |
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| flux | there is actually a reason | 11:56 |
| flux | n950 has pr1.1, right? | 11:56 |
| flux | or something different in anyway. because I tried installing rsync from rzr repos, failed due to dependencies. | 11:56 |
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| flux | but if someone manages to do it, I'll be happy to hear from them :) | 11:57 |
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| RST38h | Yeah, N950 has got a few things N9 has not | 11:59 |
| RST38h | But it is going to be the same story with ovi Store | 11:59 |
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| aheinecke | flux i've installed quite a lot from rzr repo on the n9 you probably need the harmattan sdk repo additionaly this is not default on the n9 | 12:48 |
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| flux | aheinecke, ah, that may be it | 13:05 |
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| Corsac | grmbl, tried to enable developer mode and http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4663 same thing happened to me | 13:18 |
| Kaadlajk | Corsac: does it still boot after that? | 13:21 |
| Corsac | no | 13:23 |
| Kaadlajk | oh the post says reboot loop | 13:23 |
| Corsac | yeah, reboot loop then the message about device malfunctioning | 13:23 |
| Corsac | and advising to flash | 13:23 |
| Corsac | (but I don't know where to find the relevant firmware image) | 13:24 |
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| Corsac | any idea where to find them? | 13:34 |
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| Wirta | interesting, when I build a deb package with Qt it only includes changelog & copyright data, nothing else. | 13:39 |
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| tomma | Wirta, maybe you should install executable and .desktop file also? | 13:50 |
| Corsac | wow | 13:57 |
| Corsac | http://mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N9.html?productType=RM-696&releaseID=6324395729&version=10.2011.34.1 | 13:57 |
| deram | is there some big reason why cyan and black N9 have different firmware? | 14:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd imagine release dates | 14:01 |
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| Corsac | woot, seems the device's back | 14:07 |
| Corsac | funny, n9 asks for pin before security lock | 14:07 |
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| Corsac | while n900 asked it after | 14:07 |
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| deram | Corsac: E71 asked pin first devlock second | 14:08 |
| deram | and that has been the trend for ages.. | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: deram: obviously reasonable, as 911 calls from PIN dialog are way more logical than from devlock code query | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and ensuring 911 - even without SIM inserted - is an important and mandatory part of GSM specs for all devices to comply/support | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is quite irrelevant in the UK. | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | here (D) as well | 14:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually that changed just recently, been like 911_always for like since birth of GSM, and they tear it down some 2 years ago | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | allegedly due to excessive abuse, but my suspicions are quite different, buzzword automotive madatory automated 911 | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | carriers won't provide the 911 function for free to all car manufs | 14:38 |
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| toninikkanen | 911 is some american thing, doesn't gsm specify 112 | 14:43 |
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| deram | I think gsm specify local emergency number, and all phones seem to react to 911, 112, 000, etc.. | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | toninikkanen: actually GSM specifies a number of ways to define local emergency numbers, 911 and 112 being hardcoded though | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | or what deram said :-D | 14:50 |
| toninikkanen | 911 must be a new thing, it wasn't there in 2001 when I last messed with GSM technology ;) maybe to accommodate for europeans who watch too many american police tv series | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | 911 is USA | 14:51 |
| toninikkanen | that's what i'm saying | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe in 2001 the devices you messed with weren't sold in USA | 14:52 |
| toninikkanen | if you remember the old days when landlines were still used by someone, 112 wa the european emergency number, 911 was USA, also many countries had their totally own numbers. GSM specified that wherever you are, 112 will work | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup | 14:52 |
| toninikkanen | yeah who knows, was there any GSM in USA in 2001... it never got too popular there | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 14:52 |
| toninikkanen | two great things about GSM were a) separation of subscription and the actual phone device and b) standardizing the emergency call number | 14:53 |
| toninikkanen | of course operators are working hard to break part a) everywhere | 14:53 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: well, as long as you can dial from the lock code screen, GSM reqs are fitted | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | err yes. And? | 14:54 |
| Tronic | toninikkanen: If only EU had chosen 911 instead of 112... | 14:54 |
| Tronic | Apparently 112 is too easy to pocket-dial. | 14:55 |
| toninikkanen | yeah it is | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | is that invalidating my statement >> 911 calls from PIN dialog are way more logical than from devlock code query << ? | 14:55 |
| toninikkanen | there's a certain number of pocket-dial calls emergency centers get every year | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | no reason anyway to abolish SIM-free 911-calls | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | as usually you will have a SIM in your phone anyway | 14:57 |
| Tronic | In Finland about 30 % of the 112 calls are not actual emergency calls, and the majority of those are pocket-dialing. | 14:57 |
| Tronic | That means about 1 million unneccessary calls each year. | 14:57 |
| toninikkanen | with touch screen phones I think pocket dial calls are less likely to happen | 14:58 |
| deram | Tronic: and that should not be a problem for emergencycallcenter to handle these unnecessary ones, or it would mean denial of service when somethin really happens | 14:58 |
| toninikkanen | one thing that I think was fixed was, that in older GSM systems if you dialled the emergency number, all other calls in that cell were dropped to ensure your call goes through | 14:59 |
| toninikkanen | that got abused by some people I think :) | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | Tronic: So about half of all people in Finland call 112 at least once a year? | 14:59 |
| Tronic | deram: I guess it'll take quite a bit of operators' time to determine if they should hang up or keep listening. | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | That is quite a lot. | 15:00 |
| deram | toninikkanen: that probably still works at least in gsm cells.. | 15:00 |
| toninikkanen | i don't trust that number, what's the total number of emergency calls for finland per year? | 15:00 |
| Tronic | toninikkanen: 3 million. | 15:00 |
| Tronic | toninikkanen: http://www.112.fi/index.php?pageName=lehdistotiedotteet&ID=158 | 15:00 |
| deram | but not all other calls, just one | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | rejecting calls is simple. It's the emergency call centers' obligation to react to so called "roechelanrufe" (somebody calling 911 and then not able to speak) that will drive them mad with pocket dialing | 15:00 |
| toninikkanen | incredible amount | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | I see only one explanation..... mid summer :) | 15:01 |
| toninikkanen | yes I see, it's correlation.. emergency calls cause midsumemr to happen, or what was that ice cream theory thing... | 15:01 |
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| deram | 112 is still better number than 000... | 15:03 |
| Arkenoi | what is the official fbreader home now? | 15:03 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: well, in n900 I disagree. I agree about n9 because the keyboard is by default alphabetic and not numeric, no idea why | 15:03 |
| Corsac | (well, fremantle lock code was numeric only, while the harmattan one is alphanum) | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: (fremantle numeric) not entirely sure about that | 15:04 |
| deram | Corsac: on N9, if device lock is on and phone is on, pin ok etc, there is a button for emergency call on screen... | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think even GSM spec theoretically allows to set alfanum oin codes, via function calls | 15:04 |
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| deram | I'm pretty sure the pin code in sim is numeric only, yet it can handle total of 8 digits | 15:06 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: I do have a lock code right now, and it's numeric only | 15:07 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: but lock code is completely unrelated to GSM, isn't it? | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:08 |
| deram | lock code is phone specific code | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I don't see why you couldn't define a "foobar" lockcode on fremantle, using the proper dbus msgs | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course that would be funny to unlock | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 15:08 |
| Corsac | :)) | 15:08 |
| Corsac | hmhm, interesting, you can chose a smiley theme for messages | 15:09 |
| Corsac | is there a “none” one already available? | 15:09 |
| deram | Corsac: I have been thinking the same thing | 15:09 |
| deram | and, what is sent when a smiley is selected from that menu... sms does not support smileys... | 15:10 |
| matrixx | haha, if there's not "none" one yet, one could do a theme which would look like ascii smileys :D | 15:10 |
| deram | , meant smileys in icon form.. | 15:10 |
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| matrixx | I guess there are turned into their ascii equivalent | 15:11 |
| deram | matrixx: probably yes... but it is not so easy to guess whati the other party gets when selecting from icons.. | 15:12 |
| matrixx | my device has lost all the smileys, I can see only "blank document" icon in place of any icon :( | 15:12 |
| matrixx | *smiley | 15:12 |
| deram | you lucky one | 15:12 |
| Corsac | deram: if you type ':)' in an sms it's automagically tranformed in the corresponding image | 15:12 |
| matrixx | not so lucky, I can't smell sarcasm/sadness/etc from other people's messages | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | You can turn off smileys. | 15:13 |
| matrixx | without seeing the smileys | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | on fremantle you can | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | matrixx: you know the official sarcasm emoticon? :-o ¡ | 15:14 |
| deram | matrixx: it does not whow the original characters? | 15:14 |
| deram | that sucks | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | <matrixx> my device has lost all the smileys, I can see only "blank document" icon | 15:15 |
| matrixx | hehe, no, but in some context I use ;( or >:] or some other nice one :) | 15:15 |
| matrixx | I think I'll try to turn the icons off | 15:15 |
| matrixx | I can see the ascii instead | 15:15 |
| deram | I thought he meant in that smiley menu... not inside the message | 15:15 |
| matrixx | yeah it's inside message | 15:16 |
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| deram | is there setting to turn those off? | 15:17 |
| deram | I can't find. | 15:17 |
| matrixx | I can't find such either | 15:17 |
| matrixx | SpeedEvil: where's such setting? | 15:17 |
| deram | there is only "Emoticon theme" which does only show one theme, "Default" | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | matrixx: Oops - I was talking about n900, sorry - mischan | 15:18 |
| matrixx | ah, np :) | 15:19 |
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| decibyte | is there a way to manage sms from a terminal? i'm too lazy to reach out for the phone if i can ssh into it instead. | 15:34 |
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| gri | decibyte: no but should not be complicated to create a commandline client for that | 15:40 |
| decibyte | gri: cool. is it telepathy all the way? | 15:40 |
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| gri | decibyte: more easy is using libcommhistory | 15:41 |
| gri | it already has QAbstractItemModel implementations for groups and conversations | 15:41 |
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| decibyte | gri: okay. i don't know anything about all that, but maybe it's a good project for learning. | 15:42 |
| decibyte | i usually refuse to anything not python :) | 15:42 |
| gri | well, I refuse to anything python :P | 15:44 |
| decibyte | haha | 15:44 |
| faenil | gri: +1 :D | 15:44 |
| decibyte | i guess +alot in here | 15:45 |
| decibyte | oh man. there's so many things i want to do with my phone, but so little time :( | 15:46 |
| jabis | same here | 15:48 |
| faenil | same here :( | 15:49 |
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| deram | I remember thinking about the same about so much I'd like to do in my phone, but I refused to code symbian... | 15:50 |
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| * jykae announces: MPoker available in Nokia Store | 15:54 | |
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| matrixx | jykae: congrats | 15:57 |
| jykae | matrixx: thanks :) | 15:58 |
| gri | faenil: can't you get a second sim card? | 15:59 |
| faenil | 10€ | 15:59 |
| gri | so you have 10 € vs. possibly destroying your sim? | 15:59 |
| faenil | yes | 16:00 |
| faenil | or no | 16:00 |
| faenil | I have 10€ vs 0 or 10 | 16:00 |
| gri | I had to pay 30 € for a multi sim :D | 16:00 |
| faenil | multi? | 16:00 |
| gri | one number, two sim cards | 16:00 |
| faenil | oh | 16:01 |
| faenil | well let's start this surgery op | 16:01 |
| gri | good luck | 16:01 |
| faenil | xD | 16:03 |
| gri | faenil: you have some photos to share from devdays? | 16:05 |
| faenil | yup, haven't seen them myself yet | 16:06 |
| faenil | too busy lately | 16:06 |
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| faenil | gri: no simcard detected... | 16:31 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is there an equivalent to the N900 power button menu (where you had the “secure device”, “switch off!” etc. items)? | 16:39 |
| Corsac | (in N9, not sure about N950) | 16:39 |
| Corsac | and an equivalent to the slider button, too | 16:39 |
| flux | as far as I know, there isn't. but I haven't tried enabling the lock code, so I don't know if you can then somehow put it into the lock mode.. | 16:40 |
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| Corsac | so what's the correct way to reboot or shutdown the phone? | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | hold the button | 16:52 |
| faenil | hold | 16:53 |
| faenil | 8secs | 16:53 |
| Corsac | yeah but that's a hard shutdown, isn't it? | 16:53 |
| Hq` | yes... for normal shutdown 3 (or something) seconds is enough | 16:54 |
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| macmaN | has anyone here tried to play an mp3 or another audio thing that is no indexed in the library | 17:00 |
| macmaN | afaict, media player simply wont play it | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall using 'easyexplorer' | 17:00 |
| macmaN | im browsing with File Manager | 17:01 |
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| macmaN | if the filename is the same as something that exists in the library, media player will open the one that exists in the library | 17:01 |
| macmaN | but if its some new filename, nothing happens | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:02 |
| macmaN | there's a bunch of drumless tracks i dont want cluttering the library but the system seems too impotent for that | 17:03 |
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| snowpong | anyone using QtSDK on Windows and developing for Harmattan these days? I still switch between Win7 and Ubuntu when doing Qt dev for either Symbian or the N9, and was just wondering if Win support had improved... | 18:14 |
| toninikkanen | hmmmm maybe you could use Linux as the host OS and setup the windows toolchain in a virtual machine, and then setup remote compiler to use the server in the virtual machine, and argh | 18:17 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, just received an sms from my operator saying that my mobile (n9) can't receive MMS | 18:30 |
| X-Fade | Send out an mms and they will flag your device as capable. | 18:31 |
| toninikkanen | good scheme for making extra money, everyone has to send at least one mms :) | 18:32 |
| Corsac | aha :) | 18:33 |
| matrixx | snowpong: I'm using win for both | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: Or request settings, which you don't use. | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: Usually that turns it on too. | 18:35 |
| matrixx | I'm still a bit lost if my app needs extra dependencies, handling that in scratchbox is just so much easier than with madde | 18:35 |
| jabis | wasn't python accessed from /usr/bin/env python - too long time since py scriptlets | 18:39 |
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| jabis | (writing a python pexpect script using rsync for automagically sending my backups to server when I do a MyMoves "B"-gesture) | 18:42 |
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| jabis | urgh - the aegis - already forgot that | 18:44 |
| Corsac | X-Fade: request settings? | 18:45 |
| jabis | uhm /usr/bin/aegis-exec -s -u user -l '/usr/bin/meego-terminal -e /usr/bin/python -i /home/user/MyDocs/testscript.py' should work no? | 18:52 |
| jabis | uh oh my bad - wrong hashbang | 18:53 |
| jabis | no wonder geez -.- | 18:54 |
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| leinir | hmm... rlinfanti, anybody know who that is, or whether they've released the harmattan package they seem to be building? https://github.com/rlinfati/latitudeupdater :) | 19:00 |
| leinir | rlinfati even | 19:00 |
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| Corsac | http://my-meego.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=66&faq=4 ? | 19:10 |
| leinir | Aah, just found it on apps.formeego.org :) http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Location%20&%20Navigation/Latitudeupdater/ | 19:11 |
| Corsac | oh, formeego.org is usable? | 19:12 |
| leinir | Looks to be :) | 19:13 |
| Corsac | hmhm, how are we supposed to use it? | 19:15 |
| Corsac | will there be some kind of “Store” application? | 19:15 |
| leinir | that'd be kind of nice, yes | 19:17 |
| leinir | i'm guessing (without knowing) that it's backend supports OCS, though... | 19:18 |
| ZogG | gonna buy n9 64 gb any advices before? | 19:18 |
| leinir | Not really - just make sure you have a microsim handy :) | 19:20 |
| Corsac | X-Fade: ping? | 19:20 |
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| ZogG | leinirmicrosim handy? | 19:22 |
| * npm wonders if a location based "occupy wallstreet" app/aggregator would be against ovi store rules | 19:23 | |
| leinir | ZogG: since it doesn't take a normal mini-sim, you need a microsim for the n9 :) | 19:23 |
| ZogG | leinir, i have onei made myself from regular one with scissors =) and i can go to operator and change to new one with no problem =) | 19:23 |
| leinir | npm: it wouldn't, why'd that be against the rules? :) | 19:23 |
| leinir | ZogG: Aah, that should work fine then :) | 19:23 |
| ZogG | leinir, oh, it's something other than iphones? | 19:23 |
| npm | i dunno, have you seen their rules? | 19:23 |
| leinir | ZogG: other than that, can't think of anything you should really be aware of :) | 19:23 |
| leinir | npm: i've got an app on there, they're pretty straight forward :) | 19:23 |
| npm | it's like if someone got nekkid by accident it could be pornography | 19:24 |
| ZogG | leinir, but wait does iphone use mini sim or microsim? | 19:24 |
| leinir | That's social media, not something you have put into the app :) | 19:24 |
| leinir | ZogG: the iphone uses a microsim, minisim's the normal one - they're just called that, i haven't seen one that actually uses a sim since... oh, mid nineties? ;) | 19:24 |
| npm | like if you searched for http://www.codepink.org/ in said hoped for occupy app | 19:25 |
| ZogG | so how does sim looks like? | 19:25 |
| leinir | ZogG: full credit card size ;) | 19:25 |
| ZogG | leinir oh smart card | 19:25 |
| ZogG | leinir, btw i have smartcard reader, can i hack into sims? or it's encrypted or what ever? | 19:26 |
| leinir | don't actually know, i'm afraid :) | 19:26 |
| ZogG | =\ | 19:27 |
| ZogG | always wanted to try to copy stuff from simcard as they do in operator salons | 19:28 |
| dm8tbr | you can read the sim card content after authenticating with a pin | 19:28 |
| dm8tbr | a standard smart card reader and simple application are enough | 19:29 |
| ZogG | found one =) | 19:29 |
| ZogG | leinir, dm8tbr http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim/ | 19:29 |
| ZogG | mono =( | 19:31 |
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| djszapi | wonder why the nfs game requests Location global token. | 19:32 |
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| jabis | is the correct place for the backups ~/MyDocs/.backups/* ? | 19:43 |
| trx | not if you want to backup ~/MyDocs/ :) | 19:44 |
| trx | otherwise i assume so | 19:44 |
| jabis | I meant the builtin backup-tool | 19:45 |
| trx | no idea | 19:45 |
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| jabis | my niner is at the office so it'd be cool if someone could check :) | 19:46 |
| jabis | (left it there by accident and QEMU is dead slow ;< ) | 19:46 |
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| dm8tbr | jabis: yes | 20:21 |
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| jabis | dm8tbr: thanks | 20:42 |
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| merlin1991 | according to http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=34136&postcount=30 there are n9 firmware images somewhere, but where? | 20:46 |
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| jabis | merlin1991: navifirm - look at your simtray for the correct model | 21:07 |
| jabis | merlin1991: just picking a random image will brick your phone | 21:07 |
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| jabis | merlin1991: also there is only the 34-1 on hand, the PR1.1 hasn't come out yet | 21:08 |
| merlin1991 | may I ask wtf navifirm is? | 21:10 |
| jabis | google is your friend | 21:10 |
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| dm8tbr | jabis: AFAIU n950 pr1.1 _is_ more or less equivalent to n9 pr1.0. I might be wrong ofc. | 21:12 |
| jabis | dm8tbr: true dat - kernel version seems to be the same and so on :) | 21:14 |
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| merlin1991 | am I assuming correctly, that the firmway image isn't avaiaible through official channels? (navifirm looks a bit unofficial to me :D) | 21:17 |
| merlin1991 | s/firmway/firmware/ | 21:17 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: am I assuming correctly, that the firmware image isn't avaiaible through official channels? (navifirm looks a bit unofficial to me :D) | 21:17 |
| jabis | production external, nokia care and some other servers are listed there - and no it's by no means "official channel" - since no official one click flashers have been made available even for PR1.0 | 21:19 |
| jabis | (on n9 that is) | 21:20 |
| merlin1991 | I hope we'll got one with the announced 1.1 | 21:21 |
| merlin1991 | I got a feeling I'm about to brick my n9 really soon | 21:21 |
| jabis | lol | 21:22 |
| jabis | why is that? X) | 21:22 |
| npm | don't brick your n9, my friend, pass it to me.... | 21:23 |
| * npm sings | 21:23 | |
| jabis | I could use another too | 21:23 |
| jabis | just for testing purposes (since no N950) | 21:23 |
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| merlin1991 | jabis: because I tend to test things that brick devices | 21:39 |
| jabis | an expensive toy you've got there just for testing X) | 21:45 |
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| merlin1991 | I think I flashed my n900 about 20 times | 21:48 |
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| merlin1991 | the first time because the initial firmware had an inbuilt brick feature, that bricked the device after about 20 sw reboots | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | heh heh | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that was a good one | 21:49 |
| merlin1991 | I got my n900, inserted sim, ran off to university and 2 hrs later I couldn't use it anymore because it already had crashed too often | 21:50 |
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| Sazpaimon | does the harmattan fennec port support standard netscape plugins | 21:52 |
| Sazpaimon | ie. in /home/user/.mozilla/plugin | 21:52 |
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| Sazpaimon | also does the N9 have any support for openvg? | 22:01 |
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| Stskeeps | think openvg's installed | 22:02 |
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| Sazpaimon | ls: cannot access /usr/include/VG: No such file or directory | 22:02 |
| Sazpaimon | thats in the SDK | 22:02 |
| Arkenoi | leinir: i've seen two latitude updaters but no decent way to see friends on the map :-( | 22:04 |
| Sazpaimon | cant find any openvg package in the SDK | 22:05 |
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| Sazpaimon | Stskeeps, can you point me in the direction as to where the openvg libraries are? | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | Sazpaimon: /usr/lib/ i would think | 22:35 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont see anything | 22:35 |
| Sazpaimon | nor do I see the include files | 22:35 |
| Sazpaimon | anywehere | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | hm | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | might not be a supported api | 22:35 |
| Sazpaimon | there should be a /usr/include/VG | 22:35 |
| Sazpaimon | but there is not | 22:35 |
| Sazpaimon | the gpu is supposed to support openvg, isnt it? | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 22:36 |
| Sazpaimon | okay wait, i see /usr/lib/libOpenVG.so | 22:36 |
| Sazpaimon | but there are no include files | 22:36 |
| Sazpaimon | so I can't compile anything for it | 22:36 |
| Sazpaimon | what the hell | 22:37 |
| Sazpaimon | Stskeeps, i think maemo 5 had the same issue iirc | 22:40 |
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| Sazpaimon | it has the libraries available, but no headers to actually make use of them | 22:40 |
| Venemo_webchat | hey guys | 22:43 |
| Venemo_webchat | ~seen javispedro | 22:43 |
| Venemo_webchat | hey djszapi :) | 22:43 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 21h 37m 48s ago, saying: 'nah nah nah nah..'. | 22:43 |
| jabis | yay - my beloved co-worker brought my niner ^^ now I can test the pyrsync-script I wrote :) | 22:45 |
| jabis | yeah - it worxors \o/ | 22:47 |
| Sazpaimon | ended up downloading the openvg header files from, khronos manually | 22:47 |
| Sazpaimon | no idea if that will work | 22:47 |
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| Venemo_webchat | DocScrutinizer: ping | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_webchat: pong | 22:56 |
| Venemo_webchat | DocScrutinizer: just asking you about this because you're a regular on this channel. | 22:57 |
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| Venemo_webchat | is there a known way to run arbitrary binaries on 39-5? | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, probably user still can do this? | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | not root though | 22:59 |
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| Venemo_webchat | ok, how can da user do this? | 23:03 |
| jabis | /full/path/to/binary ? :) | 23:05 |
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| Venemo_webchat | jabis: that gives "operation not permitted" afaik | 23:08 |
| Venemo_webchat | or has this behaviour changed since last time I checked? | 23:10 |
| jabis | I'm not using 950 I can't say for certain x) | 23:11 |
| jabis | dunno how much differences there are - perhaps an aegis-exec then? | 23:13 |
| Venemo_webchat | jabis: how does aegis-exec work? | 23:13 |
| jabis | I use it to invoke python scripts via meego-terminal | 23:13 |
| Venemo_webchat | mhmm | 23:14 |
| jabis | /usr/bin/aegis-exec -s -u user -l '/usr/bin/meego-terminal' | 23:14 |
| Venemo_webchat | well I want to run my stuff from Qt Creator without packaging them | 23:14 |
| Venemo_webchat | packaging takes 10× long than compiling, so it's futile | 23:14 |
| merlin1991 | Venemo_webchat: I've been able to run a qt application on the n9 by simply running it (it didn't need any aegis tokens though) | 23:15 |
| Venemo_webchat | merlin1991: mine doesn't either | 23:16 |
| Venemo_webchat | so what, relaxed exec no longer needed? | 23:16 |
| Venemo_webchat | that's neat! | 23:16 |
| merlin1991 | hm my software version is 10.2011.34-1_PR_001 | 23:17 |
| jabis | 39-5 is for 950 - there is no other firmware for N9 | 23:18 |
| merlin1991 | ah k | 23:18 |
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| Venemo_webchat | hmm | 23:19 |
| Venemo_webchat | fuck no. still getting "operation not permitted" | 23:20 |
| Venemo_webchat | merlin1991, jabis: both aegis-exec and just running the binary gives "operation not permitted" | 23:25 |
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| Venemo_webchat | I can't debug my fucking app this way | 23:27 |
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