IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2011-11-01

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jesuschristso pc suite00:13
jesuschrista bit of the sms00:13
jesuschristnot all00:13
jesuschristand then it stucks00:13
jesuschristany other way to import sms on a n9?00:13
grisomeone did want to write a program for that but I don't remember who00:14
richmoore2mine imported via the bluetooth thing i mentioned before, i really don't know why yours won't00:14
jesuschristthe bluetooth00:14
jesuschristjust imports contacts!00:14
jesuschristnot sms!00:14
richmoore2i know, you said before. but the fact all my sms messages are on my n9 says that on mine at least, you are incorrect00:15
jesuschristhow the heck did you do that :D00:16
jesuschristwas an e50?00:16
richmoore2i have messages going back to 2009 so i'm damn sure i didn't do it by hand :-)00:17
richmoore2it was from an n8 to the n900:17
jesuschristmaybe its because im trying to import for a diff model00:17
richmoore2could be, yeah00:18
jesuschristhmm theres a way to import sms to gmail anyhow...00:19
jabisyet again my LG GT 400 gave them sms' without an effort just via clicking sync and enabling bt, so can't think why any "newer" older models wouldn't hand over the list to N9 ^^00:19
jesuschristwell mine its freaking old00:20
richmoore2jabis: yeah, everything except the calendar has gone smoothly for me00:21
jesuschristpc suite did import some of the sms00:21
jesuschristthe failed00:21
gridamn, I just tried syncing the n950 and n9 ... now all contacts are duplicated on both phones :P00:22
jesuschristlol gri00:22
richmoore2gri: i just finished deduping my n8 after trying another time to persuade my calendar to move00:22
richmoore2gri: i share your pain00:23
jabisgri, always before syncing - export your contacts x)00:23
griwell, they were synced to ovi before00:23
grisince the n9 doesn't even have a sim card in and had all contacts from the start00:24
jabisI mean a file backup - not any sync x)00:24
griI thought it would be so intelligent to recognize that both phones are synced with ovi :P00:24
richmoore2can i sync the n9 calendar from ovi?00:24
jabisyou thought wrong x)00:24
jabisif even the charset is off - it's a different contact x)00:25
jesuschristive the nbu from the old nokia00:26
jesuschristwith the sms inside00:26
jesuschristcan i convert/import it somewhere00:26
jesuschristthen import it in n9 ?00:27
jabisI spent 3 hours sorting my contacts from facebook, old phone and 2 sims - just to do it all over again when I enabled sync with google, and MfE X)00:27
grijabis: If I sync one phone with ovi now, will the contacts also be duplicated there? :)00:27
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jabisI'd suppose depends on the phone x)00:28
jabisand the contacts in it00:28
griwell, both harmattan with equal contacts00:29
jabisshould go properly - if the language(codepage) is the same00:30
jabisif not - you'll have tripled your contacts x)00:30
griI could also delete all contacts and sync back from ovi - if that doesn't delete them from there for some reason00:30
jabisif you have device priority over sync options- it'll erase the matching ones X)00:31
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gridisabling ovi sync, deleting the nokia account, removing all contacts, adding nokia account again -> all contacts are back and are not duplicated :)00:36
jesuschristplease developers00:37
jesuschristdo something for the sms issue :p00:37
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jesuschristanyone alive?02:53
jesuschristdo you have a n9 clit ?02:54
jesuschristclit ?02:54
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Clintjesuschrist: n95002:57
SpeedEvilI was considering one for my n950.02:57
jesuschristhow much space has the n950 ?02:58
SpeedEvilYou can't buy a n95002:59
jesuschristi dont care02:59
jesuschristi dont want a n95002:59
jesuschristim interested in the n9 partitions02:59
jesuschristwant to check if the n950 is the same02:59
jesuschristnice joystick anyway03:00
SpeedEvilcat /proc/partitions  major minor  #blocks  name03:01
SpeedEvil  7        0       8192 loop0 179        0   15523840 mmcblk0 179        1    9231872 mmcblk0p1  179        2    4194304 mmcblk0p2 179        3    2097152 mmcblk0p3 254        0     262144 ramzswap0 253        0       7164 dm-003:01
jesuschristso the n950 has 16 gb ?03:02
SpeedEvilThis one does.03:03
jesuschristare there other variants?03:04
SpeedEvilI have no idea.03:06
SpeedEvilIn principle, there could be.03:06
SpeedEvilGiven there was likely one initial batch - I suspect the chances of many 64Gs are small03:06
jesuschristthe 16gb model has in fact writeable and usable 8.8 gb03:07
DocScrutinizeryeah :-/03:07
jesuschristi guess 90% of the usare are nokia maps03:08
jesuschristof uzbekistan thundra i bet03:09
SpeedEvil / has 2.5G free, /home has 2.5G free03:10
DocScrutinizermount|grep aegisfs03:10
jesuschristmeaning SpeedEvil ?03:11
SpeedEvilThere is 5G free on the non-user-accessible filesystems03:11
jesuschristi see03:12
SpeedEvilPart of this is an artifact of the way it's dealt with.03:12
jesuschristusable for apps i guess03:12
SpeedEvilIn order to be able to plug into a PC, it has to be a completely seperate drive.03:12
SpeedEvilWhich means you can't really share space with the main filesystem.03:12
jesuschristwhy so much space left out?03:13
DocScrutinizerfor QML apps X-D03:16
SpeedEvilBecause if / or /home runs out of space, bad things happen.03:16
DocScrutinizerand - you know - there's no more dmesg and so the system *needs* syslog, and you can't rm /var/log/syslog ;-P03:17
jesuschristcool, 2 gb log03:18
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       4763318 Nov  1 02:03 /var/log/syslog03:18
jesuschrist4 mega03:18
jesuschristin ?03:18
jesuschrist2 weeks?03:18
DocScrutinizer-rw-r-----    1 root     adm        8041595 Aug 13 14:35 /var/log/syslog.old03:18
DocScrutinizeryeeha! it has logrotate03:19
jesuschristit wont rotate forever anyway03:19
jesuschristi bet i will keep max a month03:19
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# head -n 1 /var/log/syslog03:20
DocScrutinizerAug 13 14:36:04 (none) syslogd 1.5.0#5maemo3.12+0m6: restart.03:20
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jesuschristand the old one?03:21
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# head -n 1 /var/log/syslog.old03:21
DocScrutinizerJul  9 17:12:42 (none) syslogd 1.5.0#5maemo3.12+0m6: restart.03:21
jesuschristwell this huge03:22
jesuschristthings are gonna be fixed03:22
jesuschristwith 1.1 for sure03:22
jesuschristwhat firmware are you running03:22
jesuschristanyway i cant log to ovi store either03:25
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djszapiMorning! Any Mac users having Qt installed ?05:54
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ieatlintdjszapi: yes06:02
ieatlintactually, rephrase that, I have the qt sdk installed, but the libs aren't in my libdir06:02
djszapiieatlint: Could you please help me with trying just to build our project ?06:02
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djszapiWe tried it a while ago, but we do not have Mac developer continously, just Windows and Linux :p06:03
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djszapiI was fixing build issues when I could borrow Mac machines.06:03
ieatlinti wouldn't call myself a mac developer, i use a linux laptop as my primary, and a macbook air for portability06:03
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npmheh... this one worked unexpectedly, after the fourth randon edit t the pipeline: aegis-exec -a "GRP::video" -a "GRP::pulse-access" gst-launch-0.10 -v  ximagesrc ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! multipartmux ! filesink location=screenlapse.mjpeg07:04
npmbut how do i add sound07:04
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* npm attempting to make video of
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npmvery strange first time I scp ... screenlapse.mjpeg                                                              1% 6608KB   1.7MB/s - stalled -^CKilled by signal 2.08:12
npmsecond time screenlapse.mjpeg                                                             49%  201MB   6.7MB/s   00:31 ETA08:12
npmmeegolem-134-~> scp user@usb0:screenlapse.mjpeg /media/gnulem-npm/appup/voicetogoog_0.1.0.mjpeg08:12
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xsachahey guys, i'm having trouble running an app that I ported using Qt09:02
xsachait complains "Failed to connect to remote themedaemon. Retrying in one second." over and over09:03
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xsachaoh cause i was trying to run as root09:07
xsachabut when i run through app launcher, nothing happens at all09:07
xsachano errors, no window09:14
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xsacha"Using the meego graphics system"  then nothing..09:15
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npmxsacha: yesteday i saw meego-terminal option:    [-local-theme] Force usage of local theme processing instead of remote theme daemon09:38
Hq`are you sure you are calling show() for your window?09:42
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xsachaHq`: definitely calling, the app is definitely running, i can use qDebug() << "Test" and it is printed09:55
xsachano window ever appears09:55
xsachait's a QML app and i set the source qml file with: view.setSource(QString("qrc:/qml/app/main.qml"));09:55
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mecexsacha, paste the main.cpp09:59
mecealso, is main.qml in the qrc file?09:59
mecexsacha, here's one that I know works: I have view.showFullscreen(); instead of
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xsachamece: the same app works on windows, symbian and playbook10:26
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xsachamece: (with platform defines removed):
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xarcassxsacha: is there a working playbook port of the Qt?10:39
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xsachathere was a port a while made, unofficial. but now RIM has ported one themselves, officially10:40
xsachawhile back*10:40
xarcassxsacha: where should I look to find it?10:40
xarcassxsacha: thanks10:40
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xsachaRIM ported heaps of libraries such as SDL, Box2D, Bullet, Cocos2D, GamePlay, and OS games like DosBox, Wesnoth. There's also engines like phonegap, unreal engine, unity3d and such10:42
xsachastill can't get why my game doesn't work on harmattan :(10:43
xarcassxsacha: Could you please tell me whether there are any problems with debug and deployment?10:43
xsachaxarcass: of.. Playbook?10:43
xarcassxsacha: yes, i've never used it, though I wish I had. I'm considering buying one10:44
xsachawell they're cheap now. you can whim me or talk in #playbook-dev10:44
xarcassxsacha: price is not an issue for me, suitability for app development - that's what I am interested in10:45
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mecexsacha, so where does the thing crash?10:50
xsachait doesn't crash10:51
mecexsacha, black screen?10:51
xsachano errors, still running10:51
xsachascreen doesn't change10:51
xsachano window appears for my ap10:52
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xsachai have got other apps working so definitely something unique to my app10:54
mecexsacha, I'd guess the problem lies in qmlapplicationviewer.10:54
meceis there some special magic in there or could you try just using QtDeclarativeView instead?10:55
xsachait's just the ordinary generic cod10:55
mecexsacha, I've never used that. I just put QDeclarativeView instead10:56
xsachait set that up for me when i made the symbian version10:56
mecexsacha, try something like this:
meceooh nice. Never saw that you get the diff in pastie. cool :D10:59
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xsachayeah first thing i clicked on :)11:00
mecefor some reason the orientation gets locked in landscape if you don't use qt quick components btw.11:00
deramisn't it then the way your computer works too.. all applications are locked to landscape if no special portrait logic is in use?11:03
xsachanot on symbian11:04
xsachait rotates your application using clunky Avkon windowing methods. So I override it and rotate it my own way (which is instant)11:04
deramok. but harmattan is closer to desktop linux than symbian, And I can see there is no full X11 display rotaton in use..11:05
xsachamece: i found the issue with the app. it turns out the main qml elements had no width and height11:05
mecexsacha, good11:05
xsachamece: this wasn't working: object->setProperty("screenWidth", view.width());11:05
xsachaso i hardcoded width and height and it gets an error this time11:06
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xsachaqrc:/qml/rq/main.qml:14:5: Cannot override FINAL property11:06
mecexsacha, setResizeMode(QDeclarativeView::SizeRootObjectToView);11:07
mecexsacha, that error sounds like javascript error11:08
xsachayeah it is11:08
meceok :)11:08
mecewell then you've made it into qml land at least :)11:08
mecexsacha, what game is it?11:09
xsachawhere's the setResizeMode go? :11:09
mecethe view11:09
meceerm I've got to check that tho. I think it was like that.11:09
mecexsacha, yeah, tharr she blows:
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xsachastill got some weird number for width/height.. i'll keep debugging11:11
mecexsacha, to make things really work properly for different platforms I suggest making a special qml main for each, and import the actual app into that.11:13
xsacha:\ hope that isn't required. it's working well so far11:13
meceok :)11:13
xsachamost the app is in C++. just a few elements in qml11:14
meceoh ok then.11:14
xsachai was considering making a special qml for playbook (because of its bezel) but don't think harmattan will need11:14
mecewhat's playbook again?11:15
meceah ok.11:18
mecethat runs qt stuff?11:18
deramhmm... close application by swiping down uses application orientation, not device orientation..11:20
deramfeels odd when trying to close landscape locked application holding device portrait11:20
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xsachai know :P11:23
xsachamece: yes11:23
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dm8tbrderam: what I have developed as a habit: only swipe away from the right or the bottom.11:29
meceI really want swipe manager to work again11:31
mecemiss it so much11:31
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xsachamy n9 just got two software updates: openssh-server, openssh-client11:48
xsachagrr now i cant install stuff because software updater appeared .. dpkg status locked11:50
deramdm8tbr: that swipe to kill is disablable in config, but I think it is good way to exit application11:50
deramthough, it should be the device up to down, not the applications11:50
dm8tbrderam: I use swipe to close a lot, that comment was for swipe _away_11:51
dm8tbrxsacha: close the dialogue, wait a few minutes, works again11:51
xsachaany way to speed up that last part?11:51
deramdm8tbr: ok..11:51
xsachalike deleting the lock file in debian11:52
matrixxxsacha: that will speed up :P11:52
xsachathat worked11:52
dm8tbrrm -rf / #that speeds up things too11:53
xsachamece: still no window. i'm using code you pastebinned (QApplicationViewer) and hardcoded width/height11:53
xarcassxsacha: pkill pkg-mgr always works for me11:53
deramdm8tbr: do you know, which interface did the swipemanager use to set those actions earlier? is that api/config file usable still?11:54
dm8tbrno idea11:55
mecexsacha, damne11:56
mecexsacha, whatever could it be? no error messages regarding not finding qml files or some stuff?11:57
Kaadlajkpkgmgr install-file -f something.deb, might also work11:57
KaadlajkI just usually do, killall pkgmgrd11:57
meceKaadlajk, me also11:57
xsachaapt-get update works too11:57
xsachamece: nope, definitely finds and runs the qml file because i get an error if i do something bad there11:58
xsachaqDebug()'s stop working after the line: view.setSource(..) though11:59
xsachaview.height() and view.width() is correctly 854, 480. it's just that code never ran11:59
xsachaquite annoying. i'm going to have to do this the other way. going to start with a working app and then add my code to it12:08
mecexsacha, what is the root object?12:08
mecewhat type12:08
xsachaan Item12:08
xsachait works on all other platforms so i don't see how it could be an issue with the qml12:08
mecehow very weird.12:09
xsachagoing to just switch qml files with my NFC app and then add the C++ code and see if it works12:09
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xsachamece: the qml app is definitely running by the way. i set up a timer and have it giving me info about the app (which is changing!)12:10
mecexsacha, try just putting a rectangle in the qml with some text in it12:10
xsachajust no window appears12:10
meceso weird12:11
mecedid you set width: 854; height: 480; in the main.qml file?12:11
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xsachadoes meego have Haptics?12:13
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leinirxsacha: meego's a bit broad, but harmattan does, yes :)12:26
xsachabingo! i removed haptics effect and i can SEE!12:26
xsachaimport 1.1 ??12:27
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MohammadAGxsacha, you're not the first person to say QtFeedback broke their code12:52
MohammadAGI tnink the C++ code works fine, I think12:52
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faenilgoor morning everyone :)12:57
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xsachahow to do haptics in qml on n9 then?13:34
leinirwell, create some simple wrapper class for the haptics yourself, and then expose that to your qml engine :)13:35
xsachathat sucks13:39
leinirWell, if you can create a self-contained test case showing the bug in the feedback stuff, post that to the bugtracker and it'll get fixed :)13:43
xsachais there an easy way to check if the qml code is running on meego harmattan?13:43
xsachaor i should pass MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN in some variable?13:44
xsachahmm, harmattan doesn't have QOrientationSensor either?13:44
xsachahmm everything working. now just need to disable swiping13:53
leinirNicely :)13:54
leinirWhat're you working on? :)13:54
leinir(since you want to disable swiping, i'm guessing a game)13:54
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rafael2kpeople, any anwser by nokia on why the sdk is stuck on beta2?14:30
SpeedEvilBecause there aren't enough people working on it, as meego is a dead-end product.14:31
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rafael2kwow, fm radio for N950!!!14:42
rafael2kfmrx_0.1.3 !14:43
* Arkenoi wonders if transmitter will work as well14:51
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deramcould that FM radio work on N9 also?14:52
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clbrderam: works nicely14:56
rafael2khere in the N950, no audio14:58
rafael2kany glue?14:58
clbrrafael2k: reboot, or try again14:58
rafael2kI installed the  \(\)fmrx_0.1.3_armel.deb14:59
rafael2kclbr: lets see14:59
xsacharafael2k: well, obvious things to check: do you have antenna (something in headphone jack) plugged in?15:00
rafael2kis there a "power on" button?15:00
xsachahave you tried rebooting phone (i have never needed this but some people say this is required)15:00
rafael2kno audio here15:00
rafael2kxsacha: headphone plugged15:01
clbri'm using (thomas perls gui)15:01
SpeedEvilAre you in an underground bunker with no FM reception?15:01
clbryou might have to toogle the on/off switch15:01
xsachaand lastly: are you sure the frequency you're using (eg. fmrx -f 106.9) exists15:01
DocScrutinizerArkenoi: very low chances for FMTX15:02
rafael2kclbr: any .deb?15:02
rafael2kclbr: where is the on/off switch in the gui?15:03
xsachafmtx won't work on n950 at all (it doesn't have the chip at all)15:03
rafael2keven without headphones!!!15:03
rafael2k: )))))15:03
Arkenoiiirc it was said it is single rx/tx chip15:03
xsachan9 has rx/tx chip15:03
xsachan950 has the non-tx variation15:04
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DocScrutinizerxsacha: it HAS the chip15:04
xsachanon-l version15:04
DocScrutinizerooh ? really?15:04
rafael2kgood reception15:04
rafael2kno RDS available via gui yet15:04
xsacharafael2k: strange. thought that'd be easiest part to pass from console to gui :P15:05
rafael2kthanks a lot people15:05
rafael2kxsacha: eheheh, I think I'll install the cli15:06
DocScrutinizerI didn't know the 1371 had to FMTX15:06
DocScrutinizerxsacha: citation needed15:06
xsachacheck the manufacturer.. and it's a 127315:06
DocScrutinizererr 1271/3 yeah15:07
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DocScrutinizerxsacha: >>FM TX: When FM is transmitting. FM (AFE) PM is entirely on. >> [ SPRAB95 WiLink 6.0-based (1271/3) Module Solution Overview <<  --  I'd like to get pointers to better datasheets, it seems there's pretty scarce documentation publicly available15:16
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xsachayou can ask manufacturer for datasheets :)15:19
SpeedEvilWho will then ignore you.15:20
xsachai've had good experiences (and bad) before15:20
DocScrutinizerI *might* do that, but tbh I'm doing that only when I'm extremely interested in the chip *and* the device15:22
DocScrutinizerotherwise my whole day was just filled with signing NDA agreements etc15:23
DocScrutinizerxsacha: so if you say you know from better datasheets than I have that 1271 has no FMTX I tend to accept it for a fact15:24
xsachan9 has, n950 doesn't ;)15:24
xsachabut it's probably a lost cause on both15:25
DocScrutinizerof course a citation of the datasheet passage saying so, plus TI's internal datasheet number was a nice move ;-D15:25
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DocScrutinizerI'd think quoting a singe sentence is OK, even on thos "NDA" datasheets15:26
DocScrutinizeryesyes, we all know about N9 having 1273 while N950 has 1271, and we also heard about the missing antenna several times15:27
xsacha1271 has FM transmit too..15:27
xsachabut there's two versions15:28
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DocScrutinizermany thanks for shedding some light on that15:30
xsachaDocScrutinizer: "Both solutions support ... FM transmit and receive."15:30
jesuschristguys anyone could help with the ovi store issue?15:30
DocScrutinizerxsacha: well, that'S what I recalled and why I wondered what you're talking about15:31
leinirjesuschrist: which one's that, then?15:31
jesuschristleinir : the one who prevents users to login on the ovi store and nokia account15:32
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xsachawell last i heard people were resetting their device to get that working15:39
xsachamy device came with a nokia account already on it. so i'm assuming it's a known bug15:40
jesuschristtried resetting 4 times today15:40
jesuschristnothing changed15:40
jesuschristyour device already had a nokia account on it ?15:42
jesuschristuh ?15:42
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DocScrutinizerHAH, R&D device I assume15:46
leinirIt's kind of clever - if you've got your nokia account set up to some phone number, and move the sim into a new phone, it'll pick up your username that way :) felt a bit big brother when it happened to me, but it /is/ clever :)15:48
DocScrutinizermy suspicion still is there's a cookie or whatever that gets stored up and spoils the sh*t forever. My suggestion: create the account via web browser from your PC, reflash the device, do *NOT* allow it to go online until you have set up the account credentials. - mere handwaving except it worked for me that way15:48
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jesuschristi did exactly that doc15:49
jesuschristcreated my account online15:49
jesuschristyou mean15:49
jesuschristfirst yyou set credentials15:49
jesuschristthen you set up internet connection ?15:49
jesuschristi may try15:49
jesuschristlast resetting15:50
jesuschristwaiting for a fucking fix15:50
jesuschrist(seems a huge issue anyway)15:50
DocScrutinizermight as well be related to server load, and thus appear to be mere random15:50
jesuschristno wait doc15:50
jesuschristyou cant save15:50
jesuschristnokia account15:51
jesuschristlogin and pass15:51
jesuschristthe page clean the data15:51
jesuschristwhen you exit the app15:51
jesuschristunless you succesfully login i bet15:51
DocScrutinizeranybody really interested might want to snoop the wlan traffic15:52
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jesuschristits cleary a software issue imo15:52
jesuschristnot network related15:52
DocScrutinizerto tell whether (and what) wrong data gets sent by HARM, or wrong answer comes from Nokia15:53
DocScrutinizerand as that's all HTTPS I bet, you won't succed on this approach ;-D15:53
jesuschristbtw even findinf whats the problem15:54
jesuschriststill cant fix it15:54
jesuschristim just trying to find a work around15:54
jesuschristcant understand why hard resetting for me doesnt work15:54
DocScrutinizerhard to find a workaround with no clue what'S the problem15:54
jesuschristsyslog has the answer!!!1111!!!15:57
DocScrutinizer???? :-o16:00
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jesuschristhmm whats the ssh pass?16:01
DocScrutinizerthough... heard B2 doesn't allow root login via ssh any more16:02
jesuschristi sshed in yesterday16:02
jesuschristand now it says access denied16:02
jesuschristhow so ?16:04
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jesuschristany idea?16:04
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jesuschristi read on the forum ppl succed on reflashing n916:04
jesuschristi may give it a try16:04
jesuschristits driving me crazy16:04
VelmontOh? How so? With Nemo?16:07
jesuschristi have no clue16:07
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xsachaflash video doesn't appear either16:17
xsachaonly videos!16:17
xsachawrong channel16:18
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cityLights~seen MohammadAG16:21
infobotmohammadag is currently on #maemo (21h 43m 26s) #harmattan (21h 43m 26s) #meego (21h 43m 26s). Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 3h 22m 5s, last said: 'morning'.16:21
nibblersomehow the pictures and ringtones get fewer and fewer with every release :( after OTA-updating to 39-5 i still had that bookshelf&headphones wallpaper, using the OCF image made it disappear.16:24
nibbleron the bright side... i was able to sync it again with ovi suite.16:24
jesuschriston nice16:25
jesuschristyou synced the ovi with n950?16:25
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xsachayou have to use an older version of suite (not latest one)16:30
DocScrutinizersync to ovi works to some degree (not for calendar for example)16:30
xsachato get your first sync done..16:30
xsachaand then you can use any version after that16:31
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CepiPerezhey guys16:49
CepiPerezI get a ssh update today16:49
CepiPerezdoes somebody knows what's new?16:50
deimosno root access with that update :)16:50
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faenilthat was already like that in latest update16:51
jesuschristan update for n950 cepi ?16:53
arceanjesuschrist: updated openssh packages16:54
jesuschristfor n950 ?16:54
jesuschristbecause i suddendly cant access ssh on my n916:55
arceanand you're trying to log in as root?16:56
sandst1jesuschrist: ssh user@ and devel-sh/devel-su/develsh/whatever the name was should do the job16:56
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jesuschristim trying to log in as root16:59
Venemo_N950hey guys16:59
jesuschristwhats the pass for the username:user16:59
Venemo_N950could someone tell me how can I hack that Sym key combo thing so that I can enter accented letters on my N950?17:00
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nibblerjesuschrist: yup. works with
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jesuschristthis means finally i will be able to sync my sms17:14
jesuschristfrom my old nokia17:14
matrixxjesuschrist: passwd is same than for root17:15
jesuschristill try17:15
jesuschriststrange because yesterday i was able17:15
jesuschristto ssh with root17:15
matrixxalso possible to login as developer if the sdk connection is on17:15
jesuschristbefore i hard resetted the device 10 times because17:15
jesuschristof the ovi store issue17:16
matrixxfor me it broke in 1.1 update17:16
jesuschristany idea on the 1.1 for us n9 owners ?17:16
berndhsfor me ovi store broke in the last firmware update, so did twitter, SIP is working17:16
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matrixxI can't login in gtalk17:17
matrixxafter 1.117:17
matrixxI think I'll put now some of my votes for the gtalk issue17:17
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mecehey does Qt.quit() no longer work in qtquick on harmattan?17:19
berndhsmece: still works in my code17:19
nibblerjesuschrist: the special thing is just that you don't have to re-pair it with ovi-suite after doing a re-flash. just restart ovi suite and sync again. done/done.17:23
nibblerjesuschrist: if you try to pair it again it tells you that the device is not supported.17:23
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jesuschristim more concerned on how to transfer sms17:27
jesuschristif ovi suite begin to support n917:27
jesuschristits great new17:27
jesuschriststill cant access17:32
jesuschristeven with user17:32
jesuschristhmm i see17:33
jesuschristi have permitrootlogin no17:33
jesuschristin sshd_config17:33
jesuschristi wonder how did i connect yesterday...17:33
jesuschriston the terminal there are no arrows on the virtual key ?17:36
jesuschristfirst thing : go nano, fuck vi :d17:37
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jesuschristhow to scroll17:38
jesuschristarrows guys ?17:38
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Milhousejesuschrist: arrows toolbar (switch toolbar in the menu) or if you're on the swype keyboard, swipe from the Swype key to the language key - you'll get a new menu layout with arrows.17:39
jesuschristuh thanks Milhouse17:40
jesuschristthey made the nano package in my language17:41
jesuschristhmm how to restart openssh ?17:42
jesuschristno script for it in init.d17:42
CepiPerezlast time I tried to edit ssh configs17:47
CepiPerezI bricked my phone17:47
jesuschristwell i already did it17:48
jesuschristnow ill disable and renable dev mode17:48
jesuschristchecking if this reload the config17:48
jesuschristyeah works17:50
jesuschristand no brick :p17:50
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nibblerjesuschrist: the only thing i need ovi suite for is contacts.17:51
nibblercan't sync them with anything proper.17:51
nibblerfor calendar there's caldav. works like a charm with davical.17:52
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jesuschristany idea on how to transfer sms nibbler?17:52
nibblersms is a one-way-street apparently :(17:52
nibblerjust device -> ovi suite.17:52
jesuschristi have 2 years sms on my old phone :817:53
nibblerovi suite allows export as csv but i had problems importing the csv anywhere because the delimiter is "," which occasionally happens to be content of messages.17:53
jesuschristyep i exported the csv17:53
jesuschristyou could also export sms in .nbu format17:53
nibblerovi suite uses sqlite internally, so i just grabbed that one and put it on the shelf...17:53
jesuschristbut i have no idea how to use .nbu17:53
nibblerwhat's nbu?17:53
nibblerok :)17:53
jesuschristits the format ovi suite and pc suite uses for backups17:54
jesuschristthers a nbu converter online wich converts nbu to outlook and such17:54
jesuschristbut then ? lol17:54
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nibbleryeah... no :-)17:55
jesuschristwell just have to wait till new firmware upgrades come i guess17:55
nibbleri wish there was contacts syncing to anything other than google or ovi17:55
jesuschristhope it wont be too much17:55
jesuschristanyway upgrading repositories on n917:56
jesuschristnot working17:56
jesuschristwith all the repo links17:56
nibbleri don't want to give all 1260 contacts (minus ~15% duplicates created when syncing my E7/E72/E52) to any of them.17:56
jesuschristoh i dont pretty much care17:57
jesuschrist1260 its a big number anyway17:57
nibblerthe oldest ones were created on my Siemens S25 :)17:57
jesuschristi have 60 contacts lol :D17:57
* jesuschrist feels like stallman17:58
nibbleri ocasionally check at least the mobile numbers in there for validity by doing certain SS7/MAP requests. but that just removes a few, every time i do that. (bi-yearly)17:59
jesuschristi wish there was a sip dialer18:00
jesuschristcan you run java18:01
jesuschristapps ?18:01
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Corsacnibbler: on n950 there was a syncml bluetooth chan18:06
Corsacnibbler: so it might be possible to sync with syncevolution for example18:06
jesuschristRM696-34-1_PR_009:/# apt-cache search jvm18:06
Corsacnibbler: I intend to try that when I get a N918:06
jesuschristno java ? :(18:06
Corsac(as I don't really want to give my contacts/calendar to anyone else either)18:06
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jesuschristanyone working on a jvm for n9 here ?!?!?18:13
* leinir steals some of jesuschrist's copious punctuation and runs away with it "Bwuahahaha!" ;)18:15
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jesuschristgive my punctuation back18:17
nibblerCorsac: hmm! that could be a way.18:19
nibblerjesuschrist: you can switch to sip in the regular call screen. just numbers for input though.18:19
nibblerCorsac: i went through all the pain to get funambol up and running just to sync all my stuff privately. now with N950 i have linux on my phone but farther away from that than ever before :)18:21
nibblerone could however try to use the exchange sync stuff.... hmmm.18:21
nibblerhappy happy joy. a new todo-item :)18:21
Corsacwell, with active sync you still need a third party server18:21
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jesuschristnibbler : by sip dialer i mean a ptsn number wich let you make sip calls without having internet connection18:22
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jesuschristnibbler :
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DocScrutinizer( just numbers for input though) poor design. Seems in contacts you can add arbitrary SIP contact URLs though18:46
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jesuschristthe real depressing thing is no jvm :(18:50
griyeah, it's really hard filling all that ram without java18:52
jesuschristgot many java apps18:53
jesuschristill try installing the java me for embedded devices18:53
jesuschristanyway meego uses 850 mb of ram without having any application open18:59
Stskeepsfree -m is more accurate19:01
Stskeepsa lot of it is cached19:01
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SpeedEvilAlso - RSS is a lie.19:19
nibblerjesuschrist: hmmm. for that i use freeswitch.19:23
nibblerjesuschrist: but i got a freeswitch install anyway so it was just adding another number for that and three lines into the dialplan19:24
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jesuschristtried to install20:01
jesuschristthe java se20:01
jesuschristin th en920:01
jesuschristsays "operation not permitted"20:01
jesuschristwhile i try to run the binary20:01
jesuschristany idea?20:01
jesuschristok now works20:03
jesuschristRM696-34-1_PR_009:~# java -jar BetamaxSMS.jar20:11
jesuschristFailed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from20:11
jesuschristuh ?20:11
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grijesuschrist: Don't try a betamax client20:25
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jesuschristgri :?20:31
jesuschristi need a way to send sms from my phone20:32
jesuschristthrough sip20:32
jesuschristif you have better ideas20:32
jesuschristim here20:32
jesuschristthose jars work on e70 :\20:32
ZogGthru sip?20:35
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grijesuschrist: In a week you will be able to test the web2sms harmattan port which has betamax as provider plugin20:36
jesuschristwho is the dev ?20:36
jesuschriststill would be nice be able to run java on our phones20:37
grijesuschrist: me20:38
Stskeepsiekku: bad flashbacks?20:38
jesuschristi luv u20:39
jesuschristcould you also make a dialer or something similar gri ? you know lowcaller ?20:40
ZogGMohammadAG, ping20:43
iekkuStskeeps, yes :D20:45
grijesuschrist: No, that's something different20:49
jesuschristi know20:53
jesuschristbut could you make something like that ?20:53
griNo idea20:58
rafael2kpeople, do you think it's possible to port the hildon userland to run in harmattan w/ aegis disabled?20:59
griDon't they just use a sip server which you can configure on your n9 anyway?20:59
Stskeepsrafael2k: why would you want to..20:59
rafael2kaegis disabled?20:59
rafael2k; )20:59
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jesuschristyep gri21:10
jesuschristthe dialer is useful21:11
jesuschristwhen you dont have internet connection21:11
jesuschristor lets say you dont have data on your connection plan21:11
jesuschristbetamax has an app for it21:11
jesuschristguys just letting you know21:22
jesuschristsame ways to use java21:22
jesuschriston n90021:22
jesuschristwork on n921:22
ieatlintfuck yeah, java21:41
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jesuschristmicroemu works21:51
jesuschristjava me21:51
jesuschristi think it works, but i dont know how to make it work :P21:51
jesuschristwould be helpful because microemu isnt designed for a virtual keyboard21:51
jesuschristn950 users should have no problems21:51
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ZogGhow can i use usb connection to share network with n9?22:33
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ZogGnevermind, my friend figured it out =)22:33
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npmZogG: 'sudo modprobe fuse ; sshfs user@n950:/ /mnt/n950-user'22:58
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npmuser@usb0:/            4128448   1142420   2776316  30% /media/n950-user23:02
npmwhere usb0.usb023:03
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ZogGnpm ifusb0 up before right?23:14
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ZogGVenemo sup maaan23:18
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Venemohey ZogG, what's up? :)23:26
ZogGthink of the ways of getting n923:26
VenemoI'm hacking multitouch stuff for my app23:27
ZogGwhat app?23:28
VenemoPuzzle Master23:28
Venemowhat else? :)23:28
ZogGas my n900 went broken23:29
ZogGi stopped following maemo chan tmo and my app developing =)23:29
Venemowell, I don't develop it for the N900 anymore either.23:29
ZogGmy usb got off =\23:30
ZogGyou got n950 right?23:30
ZogGi even requested, but i don't think i would get it, if they would get to my name, but i was too far in the list =\23:31
Venemoget an N9 :P23:31
ZogGtoo costy, as there no official sales here23:32
Venemosorry :(23:32
ZogGthere are*23:32
ZogGit's motre than 1000$ for 16gb  =)23:32
ZogGso i'm with iphone for now23:33
Venemoyeah, it's more than 1000$ here too.23:34
Venemoand pretty much everywhere.23:34
ZogGnot for 16gb23:34
Venemoyes, for 16GB23:34
ZogGall over internet it's 700 for 16gb23:34
Venemowell, haven't checked23:35
VenemoN950 is superior, so why bother?23:35
ZogGdon't make me wanna kill you =)23:37
ZogGVenemo GIVE IT ME23:38
npmZogG: re "usb0 up before" ... yes, handset is in SDK mode so usb networking enabled23:38
VenemoZogG :)23:38
ZogGVenemo i would buy n950 with n9 screen =)23:38
VenemoZogG, N950 screen is bigger23:38
ZogGbut quality and amoled23:39
VenemoN950 screen is da best LCD eva.23:39
npmn950 might be more fragile judging from people talking about cracked screens23:39
ZogGi like the thought of screen showing only watch and using battery only for that =)23:39
VenemoN950's weak point is the screen yes. it scratches way too easily23:41
Venemoor maybe it was just the fault of my previous one.23:42
Venemothe new one doesn't have any scratches yet on its screen, but the painting has began to come off on the side.......23:42
ZogGVenemo, it's unfair23:43
ZogGyou already got second one and i none23:43
VenemoZogG, well, the first one became faulty23:52
VenemoZogG, so I sent it back...23:52

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