| clbr | pcfe: it has a led blinking when connected, but it stopped after while (keeps blinking with other paired devices until it goes to sleep) | 00:00 |
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| pcfe | clbr: thanks, that confirms what I think. | 00:00 |
| pcfe | first to see if any hidd or similar is on the thing | 00:01 |
| deram | on my N9 I got my bt-keyboard paired, but no text input and keyboard light kept blinking as in trying to connect | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw kudos to Nokia designers for finally implementing genuine naming in language selectors - like "english" "deutsch" rather than "english" "german" | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not that this was any new to maemo, but I've seen too many OS/devices where you're lost when some funny person sets your device language to chinese or thai | 00:07 |
| deram | my old 1611 had that implemented way back then.. it even spelled some of those in cyrillic font... | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course you still face the problem to navigate thru the chinese menus to the lang picker | 00:08 |
| deram | that used to be quite usual prank... basically everyone had to memorize the key sequence to change back to english | 00:08 |
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| clbr | what was the workaround for "installation interrupted" messages when activating developer mode? | 00:19 |
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| npm | DocScrutinizer: is said nicely named language selector available as a QML component? | 00:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Whoever post-processed h0pbeat's picture made him look about 55. <_< | 01:03 |
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| T_UNIX | is the nfc file sharing done via nfc itself or is an ad-hoc network created using it? | 01:44 |
| javispedro | not ad-hoc, but a PAN | 01:44 |
| javispedro | using BT | 01:44 |
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| T_UNIX | javispedro: which BT version? | 01:47 |
| javispedro | dunno | 01:48 |
| javispedro | probably negotiated | 01:48 |
| T_UNIX | javispedro: I mean with respect to max. transfer rates/bandwidth | 01:50 |
| javispedro | I keep what I said :) | 01:51 |
| javispedro | if you would like to know the max BT version supported by the N9, it's 4.0 | 01:52 |
| T_UNIX | javispedro: so it should do the wifi thing if the both devices support it | 01:53 |
| javispedro | I do not think that's the case. | 01:53 |
| T_UNIX | as according to 3.0+HS, which is included in 4.0 | 01:54 |
| javispedro | I do not think 4.0 mandates HS | 01:54 |
| javispedro | plus, like if it was possible. | 01:55 |
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| T_UNIX | javispedro: I'm not very familiar with bluetooth. | 01:56 |
| T_UNIX | wikipedia says 4.0 includes high speed | 01:56 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: what is the BT chip for the N9? | 01:58 |
| javispedro | (if you have it around, otherwise, I'll try to look it up) | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I added it to the hw page | 01:59 |
| T_UNIX | javispedro: http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/High-Speed.aspx <- says so as well | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the wlan chip afaik | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | the radio chip | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 01:59 |
| javispedro | yes, but it's a different variant from the n950 | 01:59 |
| javispedro | aiui at least. | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, the one is end digit 1, the other 2 or sth - N9 knows 5GHz | 02:00 |
| javispedro | ah, not 4 | 02:00 |
| T_UNIX | is there a chance to borrow devices for a research contest? | 02:00 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: funnily enough, none of the wl127x family claims BT 4.0 | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka 802.11a | 02:01 |
| T_UNIX | or are all devices of nokia's supply already loaned? | 02:02 |
| T_UNIX | DocScrutinizer: does the high speed link work? | 02:02 |
| T_UNIX | DocScrutinizer: javispedro which timezone do you live in? | 02:03 |
| javispedro | ~UGT | 02:03 |
| infobot | ugt is probably Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 02:03 |
| javispedro | ;P | 02:03 |
| T_UNIX | XD | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | high speed link? no idea | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even a N9 here to test anything | 02:04 |
| T_UNIX | if Nokia claims it's bt 4.0 compliant, it should, shouldn't it? | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 02:04 |
| T_UNIX | no Nokia engineer around? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'm more like envy about your climate zone :-) | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | nokia engineers? HAH | 02:06 |
| T_UNIX | DocScrutinizer: I'm new to this channel, give me some time ;-) | 02:06 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the good and the bad thing about my climate is that yesterday was _the first day it has ever rained_ since I got the N950. | 02:06 |
| javispedro | therefore, it was the first day I realized how much does capacitive suck under the rain. | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | west coast? | 02:07 |
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| javispedro | technically east.. | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | weather forecast yesterday looked like levante with *lots* of rain, for the southwest | 02:08 |
| javispedro | I've said yesterday but I meant monday =) | 02:09 |
| javispedro | and I got to see the thunderstorm icon on my metawatch too | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, we're in sync wrt that | 02:09 |
| javispedro | sadly, it was rather useless. | 02:10 |
| javispedro | once I was completely wet then the icon changed to thunderstorm | 02:10 |
| javispedro | pre that it was "cloudy" | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 02:10 |
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| javispedro | T_UNIX: so, the BT chip doesn't say anything about 4.0, so forget about 4.0, it's 2.1 | 02:12 |
| javispedro | either way, reading that bt.org page, I did not realize the differences between 2.1 and 4.0 were that minor | 02:13 |
| javispedro | it probably means one could implement 4.0 via sw patch | 02:13 |
| javispedro | that includes the n950 too... | 02:13 |
| T_UNIX | javispedro: yes. That's actually what my team was about to do for a contest | 02:13 |
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| T_UNIX | but we need NFC and WiFi capable devices with an open system on it | 02:14 |
| T_UNIX | that's why I asked for Nokia contact information | 02:15 |
| * javispedro is rather unfound of stuff that uses the Wi-Fi radio | 02:15 | |
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| T_UNIX | javispedro: what's the issue for you? | 02:16 |
| T_UNIX | performance? | 02:16 |
| javispedro | I remember that experiment with manets that Nokia did a few years ago, where they conveniently forgot that I usually want my Wi-Fi antenna receiving emails, not searching for potential nearby love partners or whatever | 02:16 |
| T_UNIX | XD omg! | 02:16 |
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| javispedro | hm | 02:17 |
| javispedro | Nokia did ask for 4.0 certification (N9 only), so maybe they do plan to add 4.0 in a future update.. | 02:18 |
| T_UNIX | would be nice to see them integrating it with connman | 02:19 |
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| javispedro | no connman in harmattan | 02:19 |
| T_UNIX | ah okay, didn't know that | 02:20 |
| T_UNIX | what does harmattan use for radio configuration? | 02:24 |
| javispedro | a propietary daemon called icd2 | 02:24 |
| javispedro | from the good ol maemo | 02:25 |
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| T_UNIX | sad | 02:26 |
| T_UNIX | I mean the 'proprierity' fact | 02:27 |
| T_UNIX | does it do a good job? | 02:27 |
| javispedro | some might argue it's better than connman | 02:28 |
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| * javispedro knees on the corridor and shouts to the heavens "AEGIS, WHY???????" | 02:29 | |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc-Zi_-8mhU | 02:30 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: we can use that video in future ocasions when someone asks "whats the point of killing_aegis/usb_host/..." | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | watching | 02:31 |
| javispedro | nokia itself promoting something that the aegis security policy blocks on the N9, totally not ironic. | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, do you have a .deb of the latest sowatchd? | 02:32 |
| javispedro | a moment | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: WUT, that's been promoted by Nokia? | 02:34 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: see the uploader, NokiaConversations is the official nokia PR blog | 02:34 |
| javispedro | actually, didn't see this yet | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll ask for them paying royalties for using h-e-n | 02:34 |
| javispedro | http://conversations.nokia.com/ | 02:34 |
| * SpeedEvil posted that as a response. | 02:34 | |
| javispedro | ^^ hit conversations.nokia.com link, that's where video comes from | 02:35 |
| javispedro | (put your googles though, the site hurts a bit) | 02:35 |
| * javispedro adds that link to "Activities blocked by ..." | 02:36 | |
| javispedro | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy number 8 ;) | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | good | 02:37 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: http://depot.javispedro.com/metawatch/sowatch/sowatch_0.2.1_armel.deb | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're the best! | 02:37 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: still debugging why the UI start/stop buttons seem to be a noop on PR1.1.. probably need a restart :P | 02:38 |
| javispedro | (after install I mean... or manual invocation of the daemon via /opt/sowatch/bin/sowatchd ) | 02:38 |
| javispedro | (yes, I optified it in case I ever submit it to Ovi) | 02:38 |
| javispedro | did they really needed to add the crappy WP7 tiles to nokia conversations too? Not that I followed it much, but now I'm going to follow it even less... | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's gotta be clear that Nokia is a Microsoft subsidiary. | 02:43 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: updated this with the weather stuff: https://gitorious.org/sowatch/pages/Home | 02:48 |
| javispedro | still didn't do much of the stuff I've promised.... but weather using accuweather should be working now. | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can it pick up other watchlets or are they hardcoded | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | (too lazy to look at source) | 02:50 |
| javispedro | as for the idle screen, they are hardcoded | 02:50 |
| javispedro | the other ones aren't. but there aren't alternative ones, so... | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weather SHOULD be working? | 02:52 |
| javispedro | update the config file though | 02:52 |
| javispedro | previous version showed "No data!" and a generic cloudy icon iirc, | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, so does the .deb you just gave me right now. | 02:53 |
| javispedro | the new version will only show "No data" (no !) if either harmaccu is not in the config file, OR accuweather is gone wrong for some reason (easily recognizable beacuse the events view widget will also be broken) | 02:54 |
| javispedro | if it still shows the "!", kill it, it's the old one | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops, installed the wrong .deb | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Backup backed that up | 02:55 |
| javispedro | backup also backs the sowatchd.conf file, thankfully :) | 02:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's boring | 02:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'course I've been playing Forza 4 all week. | 02:58 |
| javispedro | I've had no VGA card for nearly two weeks. At this point, I'm starting to find Solitaire extremely fun again. | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Nethack. | 02:59 |
| javispedro | maybe a good time to pick it up | 02:59 |
| javispedro | oh, now I get what GoF means. | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, updated. | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now I've got an empty space where the weather should be. | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | You mentioned something about the config file? | 03:01 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: yep, https://gitorious.org/sowatch/pages/Home, | 03:02 |
| javispedro | err. https://gitorious.org/sowatch/pages/Home | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, I see. | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, head cold. :P | 03:03 |
| javispedro | sadly, I have to go | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ta! | 03:05 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:21 |
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| Frye | Hmm, is there a tweak for the pulseaudio running after making a phone call. | 09:43 |
| Frye | somehow the pulseaudios is stuck and eats up 45% cpu al the time after using the dialpad | 09:44 |
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| Dotti | Frye: disable 3g | 09:54 |
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| Frye | Dotti, thanks | 09:55 |
| Frye | I bet it's been known for ages and hopefully fixed in pr1.1 =) | 09:55 |
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| Milhouse | Is anyone able to make or receive *CALLS* with GoogleTalk in N950/PR1.1? And how do you remove or edit a google talk field in Contacts - seems impossible, and adding an invalid GoogleTalk services to a contact seems to cause the Contacts app to crash a lot... | 10:03 |
| mece | Milhouse, hmm I made some gtalk calls with 34-2 but don't remember if I have used it in 39-5.. | 10:05 |
| Milhouse | mece - would you mind trying again? Doesn't seem to work for me. I just reflashed with the OCF as my accounts were totally borked | 10:06 |
| Milhouse | Also, is everyone else getting the notification higlighted with a green background when making calls? | 10:06 |
| mece | ok. calling | 10:06 |
| Milhouse | s/notification/notification area/ | 10:06 |
| Frye | Was just about to say that I can try, but my sw version propably won't be of any interest in this case. | 10:07 |
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| Milhouse | Frye: I can chat to people, just can't call (and they can't call me) | 10:07 |
| mece | Milhouse, works fine. | 10:07 |
| Frye | Yeah, I can try with the 34-1 if needed | 10:07 |
| Frye | but I guess it's old news | 10:08 |
| mece | it set me to available when I dialed so it took a little while | 10:08 |
| Milhouse | mece: that's very odd, no workie here | 10:08 |
| mece | Milhouse, and no you can't edit gtalk info on device. | 10:08 |
| mece | Milhouse, only merge/unmerge from other contact info | 10:08 |
| Milhouse | mece: yeah, so if you add an invalid gtalk entry to a contact, it gets in a right state | 10:09 |
| mece | Milhouse, no idea. All my gtalk entries came from gtalk | 10:09 |
| mece | never added one on device. | 10:09 |
| Milhouse | mece: best not to, it's pretty buggy | 10:09 |
| mece | I don't intend to :) | 10:10 |
| Milhouse | mece: did you upgrade to PR1.1, or OCF? | 10:10 |
| mece | upgrade | 10:10 |
| mece | actually I messed it up somehow first, then flashed 34-1 and upgraded | 10:10 |
| Milhouse | mece: did you hack googletalk to work in beta2? | 10:10 |
| mece | yes | 10:10 |
| Milhouse | mece: i wonder if that explains why calling is working for you | 10:11 |
| mece | I actually wrote the wiki entry on how to do it :) | 10:11 |
| mece | Milhouse, I didn't do it again. I just added my gtalk account and it imported the contacts | 10:11 |
| mece | so is there no phone icon in the gtalk field or does it just not work properly? | 10:12 |
| Milhouse | phone icon appears, can't establish a call | 10:13 |
| mece | hm | 10:13 |
| Milhouse | just going to check if there's anything in syslog | 10:13 |
| mece | Milhouse, have you ever made gtalk calls? With anything? | 10:13 |
| Milhouse | N900, yes | 10:14 |
| Milhouse | Just got the Google Talk client running on my PC, can establish an IM connection to my N950 but the Call button is greyed out | 10:14 |
| Milhouse | However another IM connection to my N900 (different gtalk account) has the Call button enabled | 10:14 |
| Milhouse | Even thoughg the button is greyed out, clicking it shows the following message "You cannot call because xxx@yyyy.com is using chat in Google Mail or another chat program other than Google Talk." | 10:16 |
| Milhouse | lots of diagnostic in syslog, but sadly nothing obvious as to why calls are not working | 10:22 |
| Milhouse | Calling the N950 from an N900, shows zero output in syslog yet the N900 shows "Call not established" | 10:23 |
| ieatlint | oh nice, the 39-5 ocf is out | 10:24 |
| Milhouse | So nobody else has the notification area appear in green when making a call? | 10:25 |
| ieatlint | i do | 10:25 |
| ieatlint | at least, with a cell call, haven't tried a gtalk call | 10:26 |
| Milhouse | ieatlint: got it with both - cell and (non-working) googletalk calls. weid, can't believe it's intentional | 10:26 |
| mece | Milhouse, sorry yes it turns green when making a call. blue when skype calling | 10:26 |
| Milhouse | ah... ok | 10:26 |
| ieatlint | why is that hard to believe? | 10:26 |
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| ieatlint | not a bad indicator methinks | 10:27 |
| Milhouse | ieatlint: i never realised the colour meant different types of call | 10:27 |
| Milhouse | ieatlint: maybe if it had been explained somewhere... :) | 10:27 |
| mece | gtalk seems to be same color as cell call tho. For some reason | 10:27 |
| Milhouse | mece: yes, thats why i never twigged the colour signigied anything (not got skype working) | 10:28 |
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| ieatlint | Milhouse: for reference, just tested gtalk call | 10:30 |
| ieatlint | it works | 10:30 |
| ieatlint | (and it's a green bar) | 10:30 |
| Milhouse | ieatlint: thanks. Wondering if it's the account I'm trying to call. | 10:31 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i'd try calling a different account | 10:31 |
| ieatlint | also, if it matters, my test was from phone to a browser | 10:31 |
| ieatlint | (gmail logged in) | 10:31 |
| Milhouse | just logged into Google Talk (desktop) with a differet account, same issue. | 10:32 |
| Milhouse | Will try setting up another Google Talk account on the device... hope it doesn't destroy my contacts... | 10:33 |
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| ieatlint | they should have a test account to call.. would be convenient | 10:34 |
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| Milhouse | ok - different account is working! | 10:38 |
| Milhouse | now to work out why... :) | 10:38 |
| ieatlint | can anyone else confirm/deny that the wifi hotspot app doesn't work on 39-5? | 10:41 |
| Milhouse | my usual gtalk account is a Google Apps domain account, wonder if that's why? | 10:41 |
| ieatlint | nope, my test was from a google apps account (on phone) to a google apps account on a different domain in a browser | 10:42 |
| Milhouse | ieatlint: ok thanks for confirming | 10:42 |
| Milhouse | ieatlint: how does the hotspot app fail, i can test it now if you like. just ran it, created a hotspot using my 3g connection... seems ok so far | 10:43 |
| ieatlint | then you get farther than me | 10:43 |
| ieatlint | whenever i run it, i get "Wireless network not allowed" | 10:43 |
| Milhouse | hmmm... all seems ok here, just connected an N8 to the hotspot. | 10:44 |
| ieatlint | ok, thanks, i'll investigate | 10:44 |
| ieatlint | it's a feature i really would benefit from | 10:44 |
| Milhouse | would swap you for google talk call capability! :) | 10:45 |
| Milhouse | though maybe that's my account anyway... | 10:46 |
| ieatlint | hah, a feature i never use | 10:47 |
| ieatlint | hmmm, a reboot on my n950 gets me past the original screen, but now when i try to start one, it says "can't start wi-fi hotspot\n can't create network - timed out" | 10:53 |
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| ieatlint | and now when i close the app, and try to restart it, back to "wireless network not allowed" :( | 10:54 |
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| ieatlint | heh, intersting, nokia has their own version of google streetview now | 10:58 |
| clbr | FTR: After a factory reset of a N9 I got "Installatoin interrupted" errors when reactivating developer tools. Package "sdk-connectivity-tool" was broken. Fixed it by going to http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta2/free/ and installing from there packages develsh, openssh and meego-terminal. After a reboot I could use the meego terminal to "ssh root@localhost" and "apt-get reinstall sdk-connectiy-tool", after that enabling developer t | 10:59 |
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| dm8tbr | too long line is too long | 11:00 |
| clbr | (lardman obviously had the same problem in the end of september, solving it through reflashing) | 11:00 |
| clbr | dm8tbr: sorry, really should start a blog somewhere | 11:00 |
| dm8tbr | " after that enabling developer t" and there it cut off | 11:01 |
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| clbr | dm8tbr: …. after that enabling developer mode through the GUI worked again | 11:01 |
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| chouchoune | hi | 11:06 |
| chouchoune | is there a terminal application for the N9 ? | 11:06 |
| sandst1 | chouchoune: yes. enable developer mode and you'll get a terminal. Settings->Security->Developer mode | 11:07 |
| chouchoune | ok, great | 11:07 |
| chouchoune | it's not possible to have one in normal mode ? | 11:07 |
| clbr | chouchoune: installing seemed to work for me before developer mode was fully working | 11:08 |
| clbr | but maybe some necessary stuff got installed before the error | 11:08 |
| chouchoune | clbr: installing what ? | 11:08 |
| Mirv | if anyone is interested in my geocaching compilations/complications, see my post at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79177 | 11:09 |
| clbr | the terminal app itself, no garanties: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta2/free/m/meego-terminal/meego-terminal_0.1.8.1+0m6_armel.deb | 11:09 |
| deram | clbr: isn't that older version than the one installed by develmode? | 11:11 |
| clbr | and update notification will popup automatically | 11:11 |
| clbr | harmattan is really slick in many regards | 11:11 |
| clbr | but use at your own risk! | 11:12 |
| clbr | is anyone working on a port of one of those openstreetmap/opencyclemap/tile base map clients from freemantle to harmattan? | 11:14 |
| chouchoune | clbr: thanks | 11:15 |
| chouchoune | I've activated the dev mode anyway | 11:16 |
| chouchoune | it will be usefull later ;) | 11:16 |
| chouchoune | what security is downgraded in dev mode ? | 11:16 |
| clbr | chouchoune: you should change your root password immediatly | 11:17 |
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| clbr | and of course not forget it, seems not to be reset by a factory reset | 11:17 |
| Arkenoi | got my metawatch! | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ummm | 11:18 |
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| * dm8tbr is going to a casual meeting with some Metawatch people and 'finnish hacking community' next month | 11:21 | |
| dm8tbr | too bad that I own a live-view ;) | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | send me a metawatch then :-D | 11:24 |
| Arkenoi | and, oops, sowatch does not install -- serveral libraries like libcontextsubscriber are too old | 11:26 |
| Arkenoi | :-( | 11:26 |
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| Arkenoi | doing dist-upgrade now :-) | 11:36 |
| Arkenoi | will see if it helps | 11:36 |
| Kaadlajk | dont | 11:36 |
| Kaadlajk | apt-get dist-upgrade wont work | 11:37 |
| Arkenoi | why? | 11:38 |
| Arkenoi | otherwise those packages are held back | 11:38 |
| Arkenoi | may it brick or what? | 11:39 |
| mece | Arkenoi, you can try installing the pr package | 11:39 |
| Kaadlajk | Arkenoi: what device you have? N9 or N950? | 11:40 |
| Arkenoi | n950 | 11:40 |
| mece | Arkenoi, mp-harmattan-rm680-pr | 11:40 |
| clbr | arkenoi: there is a strange everything-meta-package. if you try to remove the facebook-stuff e.g. everything else will go, too (at least this is what apt-get says) | 11:40 |
| ab | Elop just introduced N9's body | 11:41 |
| Arkenoi | mece: thanks | 11:41 |
| Arkenoi | well, it was the same way on n900 | 11:41 |
| Arkenoi | and dist-upgrade worked more or less though some people said it should not :-) | 11:41 |
| ab | N9 body with WP7 and Qualcomm chipset - Lumia 800 | 11:42 |
| clbr | ab: including vendor-lockin | 11:43 |
| Arkenoi | HTC lets you change OS on your phone and Nokia thinks the sky will fall down if they do | 11:43 |
| ab | clbr, sure, how he can miss that? ;) | 11:43 |
| cos^ | ok, looks like the flasher mentioned in topic does nothing to my N950. any ideas? | 11:58 |
| cos^ | Suitable USB interface (bootloader/phonet) not found, waiting... | 11:58 |
| cos^ | only the white led lights up when i connect usb cable | 11:59 |
| Milhouse | With PR1.1 on the N950, are twitpics now appearing in the feed view? eg. this tweet: http://twitter.com/#!/nokia/status/129115595542237184 no picture for me | 12:02 |
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| decibyte | do you guys know if anybody has made some sort of lock screen music player control, like triple tapping to play/pause or onscreen buttons? | 12:23 |
| Milhouse | decibyte: when music is playing via the stock media player you get song details and navigation controls on the lock screen (N950, PR1.1) | 12:24 |
| Milhouse | s/navigation/transport/ | 12:24 |
| Arkenoi | metawatch clip sucks. you are likely to find microUSB cable anywhere, but the clip you need to take with you.. :-( | 12:25 |
| decibyte | Milhouse: hmm... not on my n9. it says (...)PR_001 is that the same? | 12:26 |
| Milhouse | no, you're on older firmware I think | 12:27 |
| decibyte | okay. thanks. i guess i have to flash it when it get home then :) | 12:28 |
| Hq` | the last number is the variant, not the version | 12:28 |
| decibyte | Hq`: the entire version is 10.2011.34-1_PR_001... which is? | 12:29 |
| decibyte | i'm sorry if this is something i should ask google about insted. | 12:29 |
| Milhouse | This is PR1.0, the launch version. Media controls on the lock screen came with PR1.1 | 12:29 |
| Milhouse | Which isn't yet available for the N9 | 12:30 |
| decibyte | ahh. okay. | 12:30 |
| Hq` | yep that's 1.0 | 12:30 |
| decibyte | any date for an n9 pr1.1 release? | 12:31 |
| ab | decibyte, "soon" | 12:31 |
| decibyte | ab, haha. okay :) thanks. | 12:31 |
| Arkenoi | does absense of nfc mean that we juct cannot unlock more angry bird levels? | 12:34 |
| ab | Arkenoi, forevealone is your friend | 12:34 |
| ab | foreveralone, even | 12:35 |
| deram | *need more angry birds* why isn't the buy now button working... | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | Arkenoi: Well, you can just unlock them in the .ini | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | deram++ | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | Arkenoi: But that feels a bit like cheating ;) | 12:37 |
| Kaadlajk | oh there is .ini somewhere :P | 12:38 |
| ab | X-Fade, did you try that with Magic? It does not work that way, the levels call out for NFC at runtime. If I opened levels and played them, next time I launch AngryBirds Magic, I need to have Foreveralone active to access them | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | For the nfc ids. | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | ab: I unlocked the other levels by just editing the ini. | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | Only in the free version, where you need 3 nfc connects to get 3x4 more levels. | 12:39 |
| Kaadlajk | I unlocked all the levels with "Magic" worked for me | 12:39 |
| Kaadlajk | I just reflashed after that and have been too lazy to unlock them again, .ini files sounds more convenient :-) | 12:40 |
| ieatlint | am i the only one who thinks calling nfc "magic" portrays nfc negatively | 12:42 |
| ieatlint | like, "we don't get how it works, it's like magic!" | 12:42 |
| clbr | ieatlint: I refrain from thinking anything about this keynote | 12:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't get how it works - I'd need to read the protocol definitions and API properly. | 12:43 |
| ieatlint | i've got the full ndef specs in binders right here | 12:43 |
| ieatlint | i know how it works... it's no magic | 12:44 |
| clbr | ieatlint: as I have faulty hardware maybe, is there any way to test NFC without a second NFC-device? | 12:44 |
| ieatlint | yeah, try and read an nfc tag | 12:45 |
| clbr | ah, maybe at the metro station, they should have some there | 12:45 |
| ieatlint | it should twitch if you hold an rfid credit card to it | 12:46 |
| ieatlint | the nfc antenna is at the top of the n9 on the back | 12:46 |
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| ieatlint | it might twitch with an rfid passport too.. it's the right freq, but i don't have an rfid passport to try | 12:46 |
| wook | Hello :) i was wondering how to "reset" device to factory settings on boot? | 12:47 |
| ieatlint | with either a passport or a credit card, if it does read, a blue bar will pop down from the top of the screen with an "nfc" icon in the middle, it will vibrate, and then almost certainly produce a popup that says "tag is empty" | 12:47 |
| clbr | nice, my identiy card made it twitching | 12:48 |
| ieatlint | on an interesting note, the sharing of pictures and contact cards will work via nfc with symbian nfc phones (c7/701/700/600) | 12:49 |
| ieatlint | the symbian belle phones (701/700/600) can also send contact cards and pictures to the n9 | 12:49 |
| ab | wook, settings -> reset -> restore settings | 12:51 |
| awallin_ | so how long before someone installs harmattan on a lumia 710 ? :) | 12:51 |
| wook | Ab, can't access to settings :D | 12:52 |
| deram | wow, got more levels to abirds with one card i almost forgot to own | 12:52 |
| ab | wook, reflash | 12:52 |
| Arkenoi | well, reboot. hope it won't brick | 12:53 |
| wook | Any other way, ab? | 12:53 |
| wook | Can i run shell from wallpaperscreen? | 12:53 |
| Arkenoi | wow! no more app screen rotation bug! | 12:55 |
| wook | Well, however, thanx for help ;) see ya | 12:55 |
| matrixx | Arkenoi: yeah it seems to be away, noticed the same :) | 12:56 |
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| Arkenoi | but still reports 32-1, wtf? both "PR1.1" and 32-1 on the same screen | 12:56 |
| matrixx | :S | 12:58 |
| ab | Arkenoi, because you have flashed 32-1 and that info comes from PPA (or somewhere there), it is normal. | 12:58 |
| Arkenoi | and even more app names are now prefixed with "!!" :-) | 12:59 |
| ab | Arkenoi, had same issue with OTA upgrade. With it many l10n packages need reinstall | 12:59 |
| ab | Arkenoi, even English ones | 12:59 |
| augustl | did they mention anything about wp7 for the n9 at todays event? | 13:00 |
| dm8tbr | Arkenoi: franken-install, probably your kernel didn't get upgraded | 13:00 |
| ab | augustl, no, why should it be so? | 13:00 |
| augustl | ab: just a rumor | 13:01 |
| dm8tbr | Arkenoi: the only plus is that in such a case someone was successful in reflashing with beta2 | 13:01 |
| ab | augustl, quite stupid and uninformed one. | 13:01 |
| flux | I would be more interested in harmattan for the new hardware :) | 13:01 |
| Arkenoi | dm8tbr, so the more proper way is backup, ocf and restore? | 13:01 |
| augustl | ab: source was directly from nokia | 13:01 |
| flux | but I guess nokia has had a good track record in protecting their devices from os-level hacking | 13:01 |
| ab | augustl, WP7 does not support TI chipset | 13:02 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines a happy world, where they give the specs and open the bootloader of the devices on launch. | 13:02 | |
| augustl | ab: ah :) | 13:03 |
| ieatlint | :P | 13:03 |
| flux | http://twitpic.com/5siddh/full - nice undercover campaign for n9 ;-) | 13:04 |
| Frye | =) | 13:05 |
| Frye | http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/dictionary/es-en/lumia.php | 13:05 |
| matrixx | flux: indeed ;) | 13:05 |
| ieatlint | the left one is photoshopped... where is the convenient/omnipresent windows button?! | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | flux, yeah, love it. | 13:06 |
| decibyte | Frye: haha! | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, we might've been headed there if MS hadn't subverted Nokia. | 13:07 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 13:08 |
| ieatlint | MS didn't subvert nokia | 13:09 |
| ieatlint | nokia sought the deal | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | If Nokia's board hadn't gone batshit idiot on us. | 13:09 |
| Milhouse | forum.meego.com having problems right now? | 13:09 |
| ieatlint | yeah, well... that's true :P | 13:09 |
| Milhouse | f.m.c not loading - timing out | 13:09 |
| augustl | flux: nice one | 13:09 |
| dm8tbr | Milhouse: there are network problems for all of LF servers right now | 13:10 |
| ieatlint | one really wonders where nokia would be if they had stuck with meego | 13:10 |
| Milhouse | dm8tbr: right, thanks | 13:10 |
| ieatlint | the n9 would've launched earlier i bet... and we'd be looking at probably two new meego phones coming out in november instead | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | They got a glowing review from /ENGADGET/ | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, shit. | 13:11 |
| Milhouse | ieatlint: probably not worth speculating, too depressing. i viewed the keynote via engadget, and couldn't help thinking that it could/should have been MeeGo up there, not something with freaking tiles. | 13:11 |
| flux | ieatlint, world would be quite different. for instance there wouldn't be tiazen or whatever it was called | 13:12 |
| ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: you mean the n9/meego or something else? | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N9 | 13:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I really think Nokia and MeeGo could've gone somewhere. | 13:13 |
| ieatlint | yeah... the woman who wrote the n9 review is a friend of mine... i'm not going to claim there was actual bias, but let's just say she isn't exactly pro-windows | 13:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, true, but still. | 13:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's really a quality product they've put together. | 13:13 |
| ieatlint | she portrays the phone accurately and fairly | 13:13 |
| ieatlint | and it's an amazing device | 13:13 |
| ieatlint | certainly has issues... from a consumer perspective, and especially from a developer perspective (aegis)... | 13:14 |
| flux | I imagine eagis is nothing compared to what there is wp7 :P | 13:14 |
| flux | (or rather, what there isn't) | 13:14 |
| ieatlint | but yeah, it's pretty (hardware/software) and fast | 13:14 |
| ieatlint | it's depressing... including a professional blow to me | 13:16 |
| ieatlint | now all there is is meltemi | 13:16 |
| sandst1 | flux: oh yeah. wp7 offers Huge multitasking capabilities. You can make a periodictask and update stuff for ~15-25 seconds every 30 minutes x) | 13:24 |
| sandst1 | flux: Or. get <=10% of the CPU and 5MB of ram | 13:24 |
| sandst1 | flux: or make a resourceintensivetask that you can run around 10 minutes IF you've got external power present, or >90% of battery x) | 13:25 |
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| sandst1 | but well. who needs background processing anyway in a 2011's smartphone | 13:25 |
| deram | I just noticed accidentally, tat the N9 appswitcher show live vew of the program.. | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | OMG! | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | So 2008. | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Do I mean 2009? | 13:26 |
| flux | annoyingly the web browser apparently stops way early to render when it's in the background | 13:26 |
| flux | so when I open windows in the background, they won't be ready when I go to them | 13:27 |
| Arkenoi | does ocf still kill builtin fat partition and backups? | 13:27 |
| deram | does the application actually know it is in background? could tile like behavior be coded to applications in n9? | 13:27 |
| Milhouse | Arkenoi: Yes, it erases everything | 13:28 |
| sandst1 | deram: yup | 13:28 |
| Arkenoi | damn it sucks. it bricked on _second_ reboot and i see no way to extract backups from there | 13:29 |
| ieatlint | sandst1: to me, wp7 will always be in my mind a form of cripple-ware | 13:29 |
| ieatlint | when your newest features are things like network sockets, you've got issues | 13:29 |
| Arkenoi | "Nokia" on the screen, led constanty lit and not responding to anything | 13:30 |
| ieatlint | but hey, it only took a year to support that | 13:30 |
| ab | Arkenoi, with flasher you can force it to boot a kernerl/initrd you want | 13:30 |
| Frye | For me the tiles look like messy flash-ads on a web portal =( | 13:30 |
| deram | yes.. same to me too.. | 13:30 |
| ieatlint | and we all love managed code, so i'm sure happy that's all wp7 allows | 13:30 |
| deram | but on some level they have a nice idea in there somewhere | 13:30 |
| Arkenoi | ab: is there a step by step instruction? i want it to enter mass storage mode | 13:30 |
| Frye | Can I get adblock for the tiles screen? ;-) | 13:30 |
| iekku | :D | 13:31 |
| sandst1 | ieatlint: indeed. a lot of sandboxed stuff gives me the same feeling.. | 13:31 |
| deram | the email application could render simpler view when background for instance.. | 13:32 |
| ieatlint | i also love that the dev environment for wp7 requires i use windows 7 | 13:32 |
| ab | Arkenoi, http://nin101.uni.cx/N900/rescueOS/documentation.txt | 13:32 |
| sandst1 | ieatlint: it's like j2me all over again. "let's have this secure managed model that keeps the apps in a box. oh, but we need to poke this hole here toallow x and this one for y".. | 13:32 |
| MohammadAG | best thing about Nokia now, they ship immediately | 13:32 |
| ab | Arkenoi, follow similar way | 13:32 |
| Frye | yeah, I use mac for Qt stuff | 13:32 |
| ieatlint | sandst1: yeah... :( | 13:32 |
| MohammadAG | worst thing, everything besides that | 13:32 |
| MohammadAG | the N9-look-alike is sad | 13:32 |
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| ieatlint | i suppose, as an american, i just should point at all of you and laugh maniacally | 13:33 |
| ab | MohammadAG, on a brighter note, I guess quality of N9 bodies will raise as they are used for Lumia production | 13:34 |
| iekku | MohammadAG, but you have good information how to select a phone.... http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14702823/nokia-win-meego.png :P | 13:34 |
| Arkenoi | usb 1-1.2: Product: N950 (Update mode) | 13:34 |
| Arkenoi | hmm why? | 13:34 |
| ieatlint | ab: careful, those x and check icons break metro ui guidelines | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | ab, the extra button makes a difference | 13:34 |
| ieatlint | those things need to be back and white only | 13:34 |
| ieatlint | !! | 13:35 |
| ieatlint | err, sorry, no ab, iekku :) | 13:35 |
| ab | MohammadAG, they build it at the same factory so N9 bodies undergo same process | 13:35 |
| ieatlint | ab: are the n9s still in production runs though? | 13:35 |
| ab | MohammadAG, of course, Lumia lives longer on the conveyer belt for one more punch | 13:35 |
| Arkenoi | ab: hmm, will it work without removable storage? | 13:36 |
| ab | ieatlint, why do you think they are not sold? They are sold as we speak and produced there | 13:36 |
| ieatlint | not sure what that means | 13:36 |
| ab | Arkenoi, just build good enough initrd to allow usb | 13:36 |
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| ab | ieatlint, Europe gets N9s from Salo factory which is used for Lumia production as well | 13:37 |
| mece | yeas N9 is still being produced | 13:37 |
| mece | they produce according to demand | 13:37 |
| ab | ieatlint, the markets for N9 and Lumia are different | 13:37 |
| ieatlint | where do the chinese n9s go then? | 13:37 |
| mece | and demand is high | 13:37 |
| ab | ieatlint, ROW | 13:37 |
| IcanCU | any chance meego will be ported to te nokia lumia 800? | 13:37 |
| ab | "rest of world" | 13:37 |
| ieatlint | ah | 13:37 |
| mece | Elop said N9 has high demand in russia | 13:37 |
| ieatlint | well, here's to hoping the n9 i'm expecting is from finland | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | IcanCU: It depends on the security. | 13:38 |
| ab | ieatlint, I think it is more of logistics optimization to have better margins | 13:38 |
| mece | ieatlint, where did you order it from? | 13:38 |
| IcanCU | dual booting meego/mango sounds interesting | 13:38 |
| ab | mece, he didn't say how many they pushed to Russia ;) | 13:38 |
| ieatlint | mece: not ordered, been promised one by a nokia manager | 13:38 |
| mece | IcanCU, I doubt it's going to be easy.. | 13:38 |
| IcanCU | hmmm | 13:38 |
| IcanCU | oh well | 13:39 |
| mece | the 800 has less memory and different processor hardware | 13:39 |
| ieatlint | apparently the way to get an n9 was to show up at dev days in munich | 13:39 |
| mece | iirc | 13:39 |
| ab | IcanCU, security lock on WP7 phones is yet to be broken | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | mece, they do not produce according to demand. | 13:39 |
| mece | ieatlint, and have the correct color of the tag | 13:40 |
| mece | GeneralAntilles, no? | 13:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | mece, I can't get one. I want one. | 13:40 |
| IcanCU | hmm | 13:40 |
| IcanCU | the N9 has NFC right? but the Lumia 800 doesn't? there wasn't a word on NFC in the presentation - only regarding symbian | 13:40 |
| mece | GeneralAntilles, ah heh.. | 13:40 |
| ieatlint | color of the tag? i'm told you had to be signed up to the mobile dev track | 13:40 |
| ieatlint | is that the colour you mean? | 13:40 |
| Milhouse | just watching a video of the 800 and if you remove the SIM you have restart it...lol! | 13:40 |
| mece | ieatlint, perhaps that's where you got the blue dot | 13:40 |
| iekku | i have been thinking about buying a n9 | 13:40 |
| IcanCU | its a very sexy phone and OS | 13:41 |
| ieatlint | mece: i got the tip off on friday about that :) | 13:41 |
| ab | IcanCU, NFC was in relation to S40 devices | 13:41 |
| ieatlint | just couldn't make it to munich :( | 13:41 |
| iekku | maybe i just use my n950 | 13:41 |
| mece | ieatlint, are you at qtdd? | 13:41 |
| ieatlint | sadly, no | 13:41 |
| petteri | wp7 does not support nfc | 13:41 |
| ieatlint | i will be in san francisco | 13:41 |
| IcanCU | thats a bummer | 13:41 |
| petteri | not reallly | 13:41 |
| deram | NFC should be coming to all phones if they are tinking any use for it to emerge in near future | 13:41 |
| mece | iekku, I really want an N9 even with my N950 | 13:41 |
| mece | pretty expensive tho.. | 13:41 |
| iekku | mece, i have been thinking the same | 13:42 |
| Frye | I like te N9 even with the bugs on the sales sw | 13:42 |
| ieatlint | mece: agreed | 13:42 |
| Corsac | same, except I don't even have an n950 :) | 13:42 |
| Frye | It's still by far the best phone I have used | 13:42 |
| mece | iekku, I just love to hold the N9 tho. It's just so sleek | 13:42 |
| Frye | And yes I did have N900 | 13:42 |
| iekku | mece, my boss tolds me to use n9, but i have said i use n950 until i got my own n9 ce | 13:42 |
| petteri | hey you guys owning n950, have you got any apps ready for us mortals ;) | 13:42 |
| iekku | not me | 13:43 |
| ieatlint | sure, but it's useless unless you're in the US | 13:43 |
| ieatlint | or canada | 13:43 |
| iekku | :D | 13:43 |
| ieatlint | same difference | 13:43 |
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| iekku | i'm just a error manager, not developer | 13:43 |
| IcanCU | i'd love to see a good nfc app for the N9 | 13:43 |
| mece | petteri, my stuff isn't ready really, but I use tweedsuit and qlister daily. http://wiki.meego.com/User:Mece/ | 13:43 |
| matrixx | petteri: I have yammer client if you need one :) | 13:43 |
| ieatlint | IcanCU: a tag writer is coming | 13:44 |
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| ieatlint | so says a big banner at qt dev days in munich | 13:44 |
| mece | petteri, I plan to put them in the community app "store" | 13:44 |
| Frye | btw is there a stock ticker available that would show the status on notification screen? | 13:44 |
| petteri | mece: where is the community app store? | 13:44 |
| ab | hm, there is number of android ports to WP7 devices so there might be a hope. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/20703/run-android-on-your-windows-mobile-phone/ | 13:45 |
| IcanCU | hmm cool | 13:45 |
| ab | I wonder if BB5 is there on Lumia | 13:45 |
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| jkk_ | (@puhuri) N9/800 - 3.9" / 3.7" - 854x480 / 800x480 - 1Ghz ARM / 1.4Ghz Qualcomm - 1Gb / 512Mb - 16|64Gb / 16Gb - Touch / HW btns | 13:46 |
| mece | 3.7" weird.. | 13:47 |
| Corsac | well, 800 is touch too | 13:48 |
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| mece | petteri: http://apps.formeego.com/applications/ | 13:48 |
| ieatlint | http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/products/phone/lumia800/specifications/ | 13:48 |
| mece | petteri, work in progress | 13:48 |
| petteri | ok, might be better to just drop other devices and support only n9 | 13:49 |
| X-Fade | Anyone who wants to prepare his app for Community Apps, please check these instructions: http://pastie.org/2761337 | 13:50 |
| macmaN | is anyone here using n950 with bluetooth DUN? | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | I'll update the wiki once the DDOS finishes :) | 13:51 |
| iekku | petteri, n9 is running meego harmattan... not meego | 13:51 |
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| mece | X-Fade, there's a ddos? | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | We'll be starting testing the submit process hopefully this week. | 13:51 |
| Milhouse | macmaN: Probably using the wifi hotspot instead? | 13:51 |
| mece | X-Fade, cool, thanks. I think I'll tweet that information. | 13:51 |
| macmaN | right, but BT should still work | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | mece: yeah, LF OSU space is getting hammered. | 13:51 |
| petteri | iekku: yes, I know | 13:51 |
| Arkenoi | ab: is there a prebuilt one? i am a bit afraid to mess with those things | 13:52 |
| mece | X-Fade, damn.. but why? | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | mece: Will post on the forum to request some developers to help test. | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | mece: No idea, they have ddos-es a few times a week. | 13:52 |
| mece | seems like such a weird target | 13:53 |
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| Arkenoi | quite strange why does my n950 enter update mode on boot and stays there | 13:53 |
| X-Fade | Btw, don't expect the submit process to run smooth at the first go. The backend is very complicated, needs a lot of checking :) | 13:53 |
| * lardman passes jugs of coffee to X-Fade in preparation | 13:54 | |
| X-Fade | But it would already be good if people would add screenshots, icon and description to their package in OBS. | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | So we can test with that :D | 13:54 |
| mece | X-Fade, I haven't even gotten my apps to build on obs yet, so I probly won't be able to help testing right now | 13:55 |
| Arkenoi | i just want to force it to mass storage mode to extract my files | 13:56 |
| X-Fade | mece: Well, start simple. | 13:56 |
| mece | X-Fade, it doesn't get more simple than qlister2 :) | 13:56 |
| mece | X-Fade, but anyway, I'll try to get things sorted asap | 13:56 |
| X-Fade | If anyone wants to have his account enabled on community obs, please let me know. | 13:56 |
| lardman | qml question: rending video frames from a C++ QDeclarativeItem widget exported to QML, what's the best bet: draw pixels/pixmap in paint (not ideal at all, but I guess it would work); XVImageSink; OpenGL? | 13:58 |
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| ab | Arkenoi, not for N950 | 14:00 |
| ab | Arkenoi, it is all runtime, so you load kernel and initrd in RAM and that's it | 14:01 |
| mece | lardman, ... would you like me to pretend I know how to do that? :) | 14:01 |
| lardman | lol | 14:01 |
| lardman | no, thanks for offering though :) | 14:01 |
| mece | lardman, Imma do it anyway: XVImageSink sounds most high tech, but opengl sounds fastest, so I'd go with opengl. | 14:02 |
| lardman | XVimagesink requires that the "widget" has an actual window, I'm not sure whether that's true for QML "widgets" | 14:02 |
| Arkenoi | ..and how do i build suitable initrd? where do i get all necessary binaries and stuff? it might take several hours to bring things together | 14:03 |
| Arkenoi | i doubt n900 one will fit | 14:03 |
| Arkenoi | and scripts need change too | 14:04 |
| Arkenoi | device names are different etc etc | 14:04 |
| Arkenoi | ah, i just give up. my GoF2 savegames are not valuable enough and everything other is on the cloud. | 14:05 |
| Arkenoi | are you sure there is no way to skip eMMC erase with OCF? | 14:08 |
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| mece | Arkenoi, did you try to flash kernel only with flasher or something? | 14:11 |
| Arkenoi | nope | 14:12 |
| Arkenoi | well, i have /tmp/selfextract.dudVKG/ with ocf contents now | 14:12 |
| Arkenoi | there is img.bin and emmc.bin | 14:12 |
| Arkenoi | i guess i should try flasher with img.bin only | 14:12 |
| mece | Arkenoi, don't know anything aboutthat. Would be pretty cool if it worked tho :) Keep us posted. | 14:13 |
| sandst1 | Arkenoi: flasher -f -F img.bin should leave emmc as it is now and only flash the rootfs | 14:13 |
| Arkenoi | sandst1, will try that now | 14:13 |
| sandst1 | yup | 14:14 |
| IcanCU | im looking for an app that will perform programmable actions when a certain nfc tag is read | 14:15 |
| IcanCU | like send an sms | 14:16 |
| IcanCU | ad a date to calendar | 14:16 |
| IcanCU | go into wifi mode | 14:16 |
| IcanCU | things like that | 14:16 |
| IcanCU | nfc could be a nice alternative to gps in many situations | 14:16 |
| IcanCU | 4square check ins.. | 14:17 |
| Arkenoi | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy | 14:18 |
| Arkenoi | i wonder what's wrong with it | 14:18 |
| flux | arkenoi, do you perchance use a any virtualization systems? | 14:18 |
| mece | Arkenoi, something else hogged it | 14:18 |
| Arkenoi | flux: already disabled it.. | 14:19 |
| Arkenoi | flux: sh*t. how can i reliably prevent them from messing with usb? | 14:21 |
| flux | arkenoi, well I guess it depends what you're running | 14:22 |
| flux | if one removes virtualbox kernel modules and all processes, that should be enough.. | 14:22 |
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| Arkenoi | flux, i did, yet something stuck | 14:25 |
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| Arkenoi | damn | 14:28 |
| flux | arkenoi, maybe it's broken somehow. reboot without it? | 14:28 |
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| Arkenoi | if i do modprobe -r cdc_phonet, it sends ape-algo image | 14:29 |
| Arkenoi | but then it stucks on the second stage | 14:29 |
| ab | Arkenoi, what flasher version? | 14:29 |
| ab | beta2 was bad | 14:29 |
| Arkenoi | the one from OCF archive | 14:30 |
| Arkenoi | latest one | 14:30 |
| Arkenoi | http://fpaste.org/H2CO/ | 14:30 |
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| Kaadlajk | are you running flasher as root? just making sure... | 14:31 |
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| Arkenoi | yes | 14:32 |
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| captainigloo | hi | 14:33 |
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| captainigloo | ah cool my answer is in the topic :) | 14:34 |
| captainigloo | thanks ! | 14:35 |
| Frye | Hmm, I guess there is no way of restarting a process in N9 without going to developer mode | 14:35 |
| Frye | at least Terminal says kill -HUP is not permitted | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | root can't kill users processes IIRC | 14:35 |
| Frye | I'm not root atm | 14:36 |
| Frye | Trying to do something to the pulseaudio runaway | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:36 |
| Frye | don't want to restart the whole device =) | 14:36 |
| deram | and user can't kill other users processes | 14:36 |
| Frye | but I guess I'll just install the restart application for now | 14:36 |
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| sandst1 | Frye: does pulseaudio -k work? | 14:37 |
| Frye | lets see | 14:37 |
| Frye | permission denied | 14:37 |
| Frye | I guess I need to get to root somehow | 14:37 |
| Frye | and that'll require the dev mode I think | 14:37 |
| Frye | Anyone have any idea when the pr1.1 might be out for N9? | 14:38 |
| sandst1 | Frye: you've got Terminal, but no dev mode?? | 14:38 |
| Frye | ye =) | 14:39 |
| Frye | Hq's term | 14:39 |
| sandst1 | aaa :) | 14:39 |
| Frye | Nah, suck it. I'll switch to dev mode anyway at some stage | 14:39 |
| Frye | so why not now | 14:39 |
| * Frye goes find some howtos about that | 14:39 | |
| sandst1 | Frye: Settings -> Security -> Developer mode | 14:40 |
| deram | isn't it now safe to just do that, since root login in ssh is disabled by default | 14:40 |
| Frye | brilliant | 14:40 |
| Frye | No need to look anymore | 14:40 |
| Frye | ofc enabling developer mode restarted the device so can't try the pulesaudio -k now. | 14:43 |
| Frye | but it'll happen again soon =) | 14:44 |
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| Arkenoi | so something is definitely messing up with my usb, wonder how can i detect it | 14:51 |
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| Venemo_N950 | ey | 14:53 |
| Arkenoi | new high speed USB device number 20 using ehci_hcd | 14:54 |
| Arkenoi | should it be that way? | 14:54 |
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| Venemo_N950 | I saw Nokia's wp7 devices on da nokia developer site... | 14:54 |
| Arkenoi | ah, likely to | 14:54 |
| Venemo_N950 | my reaction was LOLWTF | 14:54 |
| Arkenoi | so how it seems to fail: | 14:55 |
| ab | Arkenoi, make sure you don't have cdc-ether or cdc-phonet | 14:55 |
| Arkenoi | i do | 14:55 |
| Arkenoi | should i blacklist it? | 14:55 |
| ab | Arkenoi, I blacklisted them | 14:56 |
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| Arkenoi | flashed kernel but failed on rootfs :-( | 14:58 |
| Arkenoi | bb5_rdc_cert_read failed | 14:58 |
| Arkenoi | now got warning blabla and yellow triangle | 14:59 |
| ab | Arkenoi, ah, same issue as I had. Cold flashing. | 15:00 |
| Arkenoi | Suitable USB interface (phonet) not found, waiting... | 15:01 |
| Arkenoi | ERROR: Unable to enumerate USB buses! | 15:01 |
| Arkenoi | ERROR: Failed to change protocol | 15:01 |
| Arkenoi | damn | 15:01 |
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| Arkenoi | it refuses to flash rootfs | 15:11 |
| Arkenoi | Update content failed to verify against cert: SW certificate not updated | 15:11 |
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| M33g0Newbie | hi | 15:16 |
| M33g0Newbie | i want to remove one folder e.g /home/user/.config/appname | 15:16 |
| M33g0Newbie | while application is uninstalled | 15:17 |
| M33g0Newbie | anyone know how to do that? how to append rm -fr /home/user/.config/appname macro in uninstall procedure? | 15:17 |
| M4rtinK | modify the uninstallation packaging scripts | 15:19 |
| M33g0Newbie | yes thanks | 15:19 |
| M33g0Newbie | but which scripts exactly | 15:19 |
| M33g0Newbie | sorry for bothering | 15:19 |
| M33g0Newbie | im new and kind of hurry | 15:19 |
| M33g0Newbie | i have | 15:20 |
| M33g0Newbie | qtc_packaging | 15:20 |
| Arkenoi | well, now it seems to be hard-bircked | 15:20 |
| matrixx | postrm | 15:20 |
| M33g0Newbie | debian_harmattan | 15:20 |
| Arkenoi | 2495.189211] usb 1-1.2: Product: Nokia USB ROM | 15:20 |
| Arkenoi | [ 2495.189215] usb 1-1.2: Manufacturer: Nokia | 15:20 |
| matrixx | like I said on #meego | 15:20 |
| Arkenoi | and no flashing | 15:20 |
| M33g0Newbie | ok so postrm should be just placed in qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan ? | 15:20 |
| matrixx | yes | 15:21 |
| M33g0Newbie | should i define this script anywere else? | 15:21 |
| sandst1 | nope | 15:21 |
| M33g0Newbie | i can just put rm -fr ... there and thats it | 15:22 |
| M33g0Newbie | thank you guys for help | 15:22 |
| xarcass | M33g0Newbie: don't forget to request "UID::user" capability for the "INSTALL" context in the .aegis file | 15:22 |
| lardman | and make sure you rm -rf the right path.... | 15:22 |
| xarcass | it would be a good idea to kill an app first. for that you may need CAP::kill capability as well | 15:23 |
| M33g0Newbie | xarcass requset UID:.. hmm | 15:23 |
| M33g0Newbie | actually my aegis file is empty | 15:23 |
| matrixx | yeah, they are always a bit dangerous, we all remember the bumbblebee case lately | 15:23 |
| xarcass | M33g0Newbie: then it's time to write a couple of lines there | 15:24 |
| cos^ | X-Fade: i'd like to use community OBS (as here https://build.pub.meego.com/user/register_user) | 15:24 |
| M33g0Newbie | you think that postrm will not work | 15:25 |
| M33g0Newbie | ok i will try | 15:25 |
| Arkenoi | any ideas how can it be fixed? | 15:26 |
| xarcass | M33g0Newbie: it won't work without needed capabilities, believe me | 15:26 |
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| Arkenoi | damn it really sucks | 15:29 |
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| * Arkenoi wonders if it can be reparied and how | 15:29 | |
| RST38h | "Nokia's Brave New World is (almost) Finn-free" (C)TheRegister | 15:29 |
| RST38h | Moo, ab | 15:30 |
| ab | RST38h, meeh | 15:30 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, just bricked ny 950 trying to reflash | 15:30 |
| Arkenoi | usb 1-1.2: Product: Nokia USB ROM | 15:30 |
| Arkenoi | now it is just usb rom | 15:30 |
| Arkenoi | and does not flash anymore | 15:30 |
| cos^ | Arkenoi: well, my N950 does not even show as a USB device | 15:31 |
| cos^ | and on other channel i heard about 4 other bricked N950 | 15:32 |
| RST38h | ab: On the funnier side, they ARE NOT releasing it in the US this year :) | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | How is the Lumia shittier /and/ heavier? | 15:33 |
| RST38h | General: You are not getting Lumia, so stop salivating over it =) | 15:36 |
| RST38h | General: DocScrutinizer will be able to buy himself one for Christmas though :) | 15:37 |
| elpuri | RST38h: that also caught my eye | 15:37 |
| elpuri | the fact that they didn't announce an US launch | 15:37 |
| elpuri | kinda weird because it's microsoft's home territory, us english locatization is complete for sure and wp was touted nokia's way back in to the us market | 15:38 |
| elpuri | i guess they're just having hard time with the carriers | 15:38 |
| elpuri | (as usual) | 15:38 |
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| deram | I'd guess it is hard to manufacture enough to satisfy operators on xmas sales | 15:40 |
| ab | GeneralAntilles, Lumia in Spain are usually quite fit :) | 15:41 |
| ab | elpuri, they did explicitly announced U.S. market products will come 2012Q1 | 15:42 |
| ab | Arkenoi, cold flash it using older flasher (3.11 or so) | 15:43 |
| elpuri | ab: oh ok i missed that part then | 15:44 |
| elpuri | the stream was breaking once every minute | 15:44 |
| elpuri | but still odd why not right away | 15:45 |
| cos^ | i'm trying follow these instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS#Set_up_QtCreator_to_produce_files | 15:46 |
| cos^ | but build fails at tail: cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory | 15:46 |
| ab | elpuri, perhaps, new hardware will be mass-production ready by that time. Lumia 800 is not really competitive with iPhone 4S on HW side | 15:46 |
| cos^ | should the whole debian directory be copied? | 15:46 |
| ab | new live stream | 15:47 |
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| RST38h | ab: forget iPhone, how is it better than Android? | 15:48 |
| Arkenoi | ab: there is 3.12 on the web, will it fit? | 15:48 |
| Arkenoi | and 3.5_2 | 15:49 |
| Arkenoi | ab: can you share a copy? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: dunno - maybe helps: http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/04/18/solved-unable-to-enumerate-usb-device-disabling-ehci_hcd/ | 15:53 |
| ab | arkenoi, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1100882&postcount=23 | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | also coldflashing may actually be needed, when NOLO got nuked | 15:56 |
| mece | At least some N9 news :) http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/10/26/nokia-n9-gets-a-new-colour-and-a-software-update/ | 15:57 |
| mece | anyway tata o/ | 15:57 |
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| Arkenoi | Waiting for ASIC id... | 15:57 |
| Arkenoi | usb_bulk_read: Numerical result out of range | 15:57 |
| Arkenoi | ERROR: Cold flashing failed. | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | OMG! A new colour. | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | That'll make hte people in the countries that can't buy it _so_ happy. | 15:58 |
| Arkenoi | http://fpaste.org/pZ6o/ | 15:58 |
| deram | where is the yellow version | 16:02 |
| cos^ | ok, copying changelog to debian still doesn't help | 16:02 |
| deram | CMYK and now even colorles | 16:02 |
| Frye | =) | 16:02 |
| cos^ | surprise that meego docs are wrong >:-/ | 16:02 |
| Frye | If it comes in bronze I might have to get me another one =) | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Metal loaded polycarbonate is quite available and does look great. | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | It'd add somewhat to the weight - but... | 16:04 |
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| decibyte | what about transparent? i really wanted one of those cool, transparent nintendo gameboys back then. | 16:04 |
| deram | circuitboards back then were much more interesting to watch | 16:06 |
| decibyte | you | 16:06 |
| decibyte | 're right | 16:06 |
| * SpeedEvil bemoans the lack of beautiful components for art. | 16:06 | |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.transistorclock.com/ | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | One of these. | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | But this is _ugly_ | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | black To92 transistors. | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | And nasty little uninteresting diodes. | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2N337-JAN-Si-NPN-Low-Power-BJT-Transistor-Gold-Pin-TO-5-/280747642301?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item415ddd0dbd http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1N60-Germanium-Diode-TV-FM-AM-Radio-Detection-x20PCS-/150665376671?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item23145b339f | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | For examples of what (was) available. | 16:09 |
| ab | hahaha. http://tizensummitasia2011.com/ | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | 'open source' 'china'? | 16:10 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: What are you making of them? =) | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | You mean there is more than one person there that's read the GPL? | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: See the transistor clock link above. | 16:10 |
| RST38h | ab: keynote by Jim Zemlin of Linux Foundation! | 16:10 |
| RST38h | ab: I guess he will be speaking of Android again =) | 16:10 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: looks like a pretty standard Soviet D9 diode. What about it? | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Compared to the later silicon glass package, it's lots more visually interesting. | 16:12 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: the second one is a gold-coated transistor | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.transistorclock.com/linked/onwall_l.jpg - visually boring | 16:13 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: the second one is not a transistor and I do not remember D9s or their western counterparts in gold, ever | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - yes, of course the second one isn't a transistor. | 16:13 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Ah, you are looking to put these as gates... | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | The above clock has lots of diodes, in boring packages, and transistors ditto. | 16:13 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: I can give you an idea, if you want | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | As well as boring capaciors - could replace with polystyrene in some cases. | 16:14 |
| RST38h | A really cheap one too, but not boring | 16:14 |
| ab | Ahahaha. I wonder if Lumia 800 uses the same screen as in N9 | 16:14 |
| RST38h | ab: Apparently it does | 16:14 |
| ab | 480x800 is way smaller than 480x854 | 16:14 |
| deram | not same screen, as it is different size | 16:14 |
| RST38h | ab: Does Microsoft support screen sizes other than 480x800? | 16:14 |
| RST38h | deram: they could have hidden parts of it, WP77 apparently only supports one screen size | 16:15 |
| ab | so this 54 pixel stripe is under "windows buttons"? | 16:15 |
| ab | :)))) | 16:15 |
| deram | that could be | 16:15 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Replace some of these diodes with really small color LEDs | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Perhaps. | 16:15 |
| ab | at least, you don't need to write driver for GPIO for WP kernel :) | 16:15 |
| deram | and so there would be button backlight available... | 16:15 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: you can do it randomly if you wish, then the whole thing will look like a starfield | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I'd like to do a '1970s' version. | 16:16 |
| RST38h | Speed: You will have to drop the LED display then | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Polystyrene caps, 7 segment glas tube filliment displays, germanium diodes, gold coated transistors. | 16:16 |
| RST38h | Speed: and the display drivers will have to be way bigger than these | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | ab: It doesn't use GPIO or what? =) | 16:17 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.radiomuseum.org/forumdata/users/14211/minitron_view_sml.jpg | 16:17 |
| ab | RST38h, if it has touchscreen underneath, it could be treated generally as an area of the screen without any additional drivers | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I recall konttori askingif any hacker already found the 16 extra pixel rows of N9 | 16:20 |
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| ab | DocScrutinizer, that was different story -- we've got rid of 16 pixels stripe because it was considered at that point that next generation displays standardize on 480x854 and thus require us to tune in UI beforehands so that not to cause issues for 3rd party developers | 16:24 |
| ab | so on Lumia 800 it is 64 pixel stripe | 16:24 |
| ab | perhaps may serve as storage area for nasty apps, 480*64*2 is 60Kb | 16:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if Konttori also would be interested in him checking N9. Similar to prodding done so he applies for N950 | 16:26 | |
| X-Fade | cos^: What is your meego.com username? | 16:26 |
| ab | or even more if 3 bytes per pixel | 16:26 |
| cos^ | X-Fade: vranki | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Seems Ronan and Quim are not that much interested after all | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | cos^: Ok, you should be able to login now. | 16:27 |
| cos^ | X-Fade: thanks | 16:27 |
| lardman | anyone remember offhand how one queries a gst pipeline (or component thereof) to find the width/height of a video stream? | 16:27 |
| RST38h | ab: Ah got it | 16:27 |
| RST38h | ab: Did you see them showing N9 running Gallery at the beginning of the keynote? | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen ronan | 16:28 |
| lardman | ah, http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-base-libs/html/gst-plugins-base-libs-gstvideo.html#gst-video-get-size for reference | 16:28 |
| Arkenoi | so no hints for me on how to unbrick? | 16:28 |
| RST38h | ab: Apparently assuming that it will pass as 800 | 16:28 |
| ab | RST38h, yes, they were showing a lot of N9 pictures | 16:28 |
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| ab | RST38h, and Elop was talking about N9 at the same time | 16:28 |
| macmaN | so whats up with this name "Lumia" meaning "hooker" in spanish | 16:28 |
| lardman | lol | 16:29 |
| ab | Lumi is snow in Finnish | 16:29 |
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| RST38h | ab: So did or didn't he mention N9 during keynote? | 16:29 |
| ab | RST38h, he did | 16:29 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: were there any major changes concerning COBS or the Harmattan target recently ? | 16:29 |
| deram | yeah, and lumia is one plural form of snow in finnish.. | 16:29 |
| macmaN | Milhouse: BT DUN works. there's something strange delay issues going on with the connection, where my blueman is too impatient or something. | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: A few minor ones, why? | 16:30 |
| ab | RST38h, at around 10:32 | 16:30 |
| deram | btw, that form can be used in centense "Snows of the last season" | 16:30 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: I have encountered a few packages that built just fine previously but don't build any more without any changes to the source | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: Can you give me a link to a build log? | 16:31 |
| M4rtinK | or packages that build in one project but not in other | 16:31 |
| M4rtinK | ok :) | 16:31 |
| sandst1 | ab: isn't the pixel stripe in lumia <64 pixels..? The wp7 softkeys take some of the pixels on the bottom of the screen + 800 pixels on top of that | 16:31 |
| ab | sandst1, if the screen is the same as on N9, it is 480x864 | 16:32 |
| sandst1 | ab: yes, but aren't the wp7 buttons constantly on the bottom of the screen? | 16:33 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: first case: built fine some time ago: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=clucene-core&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan now fails: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=clucene-core&project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 16:33 |
| sandst1 | ab: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN1chhYCL8U | 16:34 |
| ab | sandst1, they are on the bottom of the device near the screen end but formally available screen resolution is 480x800. That means there is 64 pixel stripe underneath those buttons | 16:34 |
| ab | sandst1, sorry, youtube does not work for me. | 16:34 |
| sandst1 | ab: just wondering if those buttons are inside that 800 pixels. if so, the apps have <800 pixels available | 16:35 |
| ab | sandst1, that is if we asssume the screen physically the same as in N9 | 16:35 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: seccond case: builds fine in home:MartinK:gtk https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=libgtk&project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard fails miserably in home:rzr:harmattan : https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=libgtk&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_Mee | 16:35 |
| M4rtinK | Go_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 16:35 |
| ab | sandst1, no, apps have 480x800, the buttons are considered part of body | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: Yeah, that is the qemu issue. | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: We upgraded qemu to 0.15, but that was causing trouble. | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | It started segfaulting. | 16:36 |
| sandst1 | ab: and if the screen is 480x864, and 800 of that goes to the apps, some of that goes to the buttons, doesn't that leave <64 pixels? :) | 16:36 |
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| ab | sandst1, you can't see what's on the area covered by buttons but buttons only need touch sensor themselves, not the screen memory | 16:37 |
| ab | sandst1, so I'm talking about the memory buffer at that stripe while buttons covered it on top | 16:37 |
| ab | all that is for fairly low-level programming, of course. | 16:39 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: So you downgraded it back again or found some other solution ? :) | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: Yeah, we went back to 0.14.1 | 16:40 |
| sandst1 | ab: ok. IIRC it's possible in wp7 to have the three keys as normal softkeys (instead of hw ones), which would make them part of the screen resolution | 16:40 |
| ab | sandst1, I think these are totally different ones | 16:40 |
| ab | or it is just an override of hardware ones | 16:41 |
| ab | as WP7 requires HW buttons | 16:41 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade:OK, I'll try a rebuild then. Should it fix both issues or just the first one ? | 16:41 |
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| X-Fade | M4rtinK: At least the first one. The other I have no idea... | 16:43 |
| sandst1 | ab: ah yes.. it was just a rumor that mango would remove the req of having hw buttons.. | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | From a usability POV - it'd be really nice if you could have texture over the softbuttons. | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I suppose that doesn't work with capacitive | 16:44 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: shouldn't an OBS package just always build of fail regardless of the project (of course provided the dependency packages are the same) ? | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: Well, yes, but there are a lot of other things that can influence it. | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | And in this case it is timing, as when this built the server tools were different. | 16:49 |
| M4rtinK | well I have even wiped all binaries and triggered a rebuild of all packages in two of my repositories | 16:50 |
| M4rtinK | and go the same result as before - build in one, failed in the other | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: It can't have built as nothing builds atm. | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | As the scheduler is restarting. | 16:51 |
| M4rtinK | well, that was about a week ago | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, that is not today :) | 16:53 |
| M4rtinK | ok , I'll do it again then :) | 16:54 |
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| X-Fade | M4rtinK: clucene now built fine. | 17:12 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: yep, was about to report that :) | 17:12 |
| Wirta | does anyone know how I can import a contacts file that was exported from n950? | 17:12 |
| M4rtinK | fingers crossed on the libgtk build :) | 17:13 |
| M4rtinK | but I don't have much hope in it as there is probably some other root issue... | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: If that is the case then you can do a local build to check if it works there. | 17:14 |
| tomma | Wirta, do you mean vcards? | 17:15 |
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| M4rtinK | X-Fade: I'll try that (but it failed with the same immcontext error about a week ago :) ) | 17:16 |
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| Wirta | In contacts you have "Export" -> "File" options that creates a nice contact file | 17:22 |
| Wirta | but in import functions you only have "Another device" "online service" "SIM Card" | 17:23 |
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| RST38h | http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/26/8491410-nokias-lumia-translates-as-prostitute-in-spanish | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Mghm. | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | whoring themselves out | 17:40 |
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| iekku | i think it's good name | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Of course, it is Spanish who are to blame here. | 17:46 |
| iekku | ? | 17:47 |
| RST38h | They should not have spoiled such a good name!' | 17:48 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: so that second issue still persists, at least in an online COBS build: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=libgtk&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 17:50 |
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| khertan | Hello ! | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: Yeah, qemu is a pain. | 17:51 |
| khertan | Anyone here notice lost of network on n950 ? | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK: We haven't been able to find one version which is stable. | 17:51 |
| khertan | someone know what can be the reason | 17:51 |
| tomma | Wirta, you can import them by opening those files | 18:01 |
| khertan | ... fallback to n900 | 18:06 |
| khertan | rah ... noone have idea why n950 lost network ? and still notice full strenght ? | 18:08 |
| dm8tbr | khertan: are you on pr1.1? | 18:10 |
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| dm8tbr | I've noticed that in some rare cases IP networking seems to stall. Not something that happened often enough to be able to reproduce it though. | 18:11 |
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| khertan | dm8tbr: yep ... pr1.1 | 18:14 |
| khertan | but it s not just ip problem ... | 18:14 |
| khertan | as phone didn't works too | 18:14 |
| dm8tbr | ah, complete CMT stalled. never had that | 18:15 |
| khertan | did you know a way to reset it ? | 18:15 |
| khertan | without reboot ? | 18:15 |
| khertan | or monitoring it ? | 18:15 |
| khertan | nothing in dmesg | 18:15 |
| dm8tbr | CMT is completely separate from the linux space. no idea | 18:17 |
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| khertan | just found that in syslog : usetimed : WARNING Unknow cellular activity: -1 | 18:18 |
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| khertan | nped[1325]: i2c_write : Remote I/O Error | 18:19 |
| khertan | syslog is full of Unknow cellular activity :-1 | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | replace it | 18:20 |
| khertan | gnié ? | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | huh | 18:20 |
| khertan | you thinks it s hardware ? | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 18:21 |
| khertan | even if it s works after a restart ? | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | I think the post office lost my N950 btw | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, reflashed CMT? | 18:21 |
| khertan | i update from beta2 then upgrade OTA | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | tried reflashing? | 18:22 |
| khertan | and after that i reflash with the oneclickflasher | 18:22 |
| khertan | but while i thinks it s improve | 18:22 |
| khertan | it s start again | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>nped[1325]: i2c_write : Remote I/O Error<< ERRR | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 18:24 |
| khertan | yep ... don't know what this error mean | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing good anyway | 18:25 |
| khertan | ? | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I2C-error is something that probably never should happen | 18:25 |
| khertan | indeed : google answer me : Non-Primary Explosive Detonator (NPED) ... nothing good | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc what's nped | 18:26 |
| dm8tbr | a daemon for npe, whatever npe is? | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | network policy enforcer? | 18:27 |
| khertan | mce-io:c mce_close_file(): Failed to close '/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-004b/wait_for_gesture | 18:27 |
| khertan | hum ... | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | touchscreen I2C error | 18:28 |
| khertan | icd2 : Duplicate Filter <- full of error like this | 18:28 |
| khertan | bme timer executed too early | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's normal | 18:28 |
| khertan | ... hum ... houston ... we got a problem | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, "normal" as in usual | 18:29 |
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| khertan | com.nokia.csd.GPRS: context0 deletion pending while busy | 18:29 |
| khertan | seems working now | 18:30 |
| khertan | even if i got cellular unknow activity -1 in log | 18:31 |
| khertan | strange | 18:31 |
| khertan | i ll retry a flash this evening | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't comment on "cellular unknown activity" - no SIM. Might be as "normal" as bme timer logs | 18:31 |
| khertan | this i m good for asking a new one to nokia | 18:33 |
| khertan | s/this/seems | 18:33 |
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| khertan | thx for help | 18:41 |
| khertan | bye | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 18:57 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~+uptime | 18:57 |
| infobot | - Uptime for purl - | 18:57 |
| infobot | Now: 3m 47s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux | 18:57 |
| infobot | 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 | 18:57 |
| infobot | 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 | 18:57 |
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| kkito | hello | 19:16 |
| kkito | do you know how to add a google account that is not @gmail.com ? | 19:16 |
| kkito | I get an unknown error when trying to add a google account :( | 19:18 |
| iekku | can the google account be something else than @gmail.com? | 19:22 |
| iekku | didn't even know | 19:22 |
| ab | RST38h, so what can you use that 480x64x3 stripe for? It is global area and if it is accessbile, it would be accessible to all applications. What good can you do with that? | 19:25 |
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| matrixx | has anyone does custom themes for harmattan? | 19:44 |
| matrixx | *done | 19:44 |
| kkito | iekku: yes, a google account can be something else than @gmail.com, but it seems that the current fw (n950) has problems setting up a google account that is not @gmail.com :( | 19:45 |
| kkito | perhaps there is a workaround to bypass this :/ | 19:45 |
| iekku | oh | 19:46 |
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| faenil | heeeey | 20:02 |
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| faenil | so sad... | 20:06 |
| faenil | back from qtdd11 :( | 20:06 |
| javispedro | hi faenil . | 20:06 |
| faenil | moo javis :D | 20:07 |
| RST38h | BREAKTHROUGH: Avira anti-virus labels itself as spyware | 20:08 |
| faenil | LOL | 20:08 |
| faenil | is that true? | 20:08 |
| faenil | Avira has the one ProActive protection out.. | 20:08 |
| RST38h | TheRegister reports it | 20:08 |
| javispedro | hey RST38h | 20:08 |
| RST38h | mooo, javispedro | 20:08 |
| javispedro | AV vendors are more stupid every day | 20:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Lumia,yeah? =) | 20:09 |
| berndhs | no just more honest | 20:09 |
| javispedro | ah, well. | 20:09 |
| RST38h | They are selling snake oil and everyone except for the management knows it | 20:09 |
| faenil | javispedro: you got lumia? | 20:10 |
| RST38h | As well as the fact that there is no fully automatic 100% proof antivirus solution | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I heard one of the antivir is actually spyware, and police being the real boss of the company | 20:10 |
| javispedro | RST38h: never heard that word with the supposed meaning. I've heard it a few times in a rural context meaning bright, or lively, in a pseudo-positive sense. But I doubt any urbanite would know it is a spanish word. | 20:10 |
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| faenil_ | damn connection | 20:11 |
| javispedro | therefore: nonstory. | 20:11 |
| javispedro | albeit it would have been amusing. | 20:11 |
| RST38h | javispedro: "lumia" for "bright" is understandable etymologically | 20:11 |
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| javispedro | maybe... not really an expert. | 20:12 |
| faenil_ | why you talking about lumia? | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, why? | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe aegis is not evil enough by now? :-D | 20:12 |
| javispedro | turns out the "official" spanish dictionary says lumia is "prostitute" | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 20:13 |
| RST38h | OMG | 20:13 |
| javispedro | but see above :) | 20:13 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: also adds "colloquial | 20:13 |
| macmaN | lumia is definitely just a whored off n9 | 20:13 |
| faenil_ | LOL | 20:13 |
| Frye | Nice1 macmaN | 20:13 |
| faenil_ | I like it anyway, very nice phone, N9 with WP7 | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | macmaN: citation needed | 20:13 |
| faenil_ | oh and by the way, just coz I'm very happy about it, I have won the drawing at QtDev Days :D | 20:14 |
| faenil_ | I've won a Kindle :D | 20:14 |
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| faenil_ | I was so happy when I heard my name xD | 20:14 |
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| faenil | and it was the day of my birthday! :D 24th | 20:15 |
| faenil | so that sounded like magic :D | 20:15 |
| javispedro | pssh :) | 20:15 |
| javispedro | happy birthday either way :) | 20:15 |
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| faenil | ^_^ | 20:15 |
| berndhs | it was rigged :) | 20:15 |
| faenil | thanks :D | 20:15 |
| faenil | ehehehe | 20:16 |
| faenil | actually | 20:16 |
| faenil | the winner was another guy | 20:16 |
| faenil | but he didn't show up | 20:16 |
| faenil | and the extracted another card out of the box | 20:16 |
| faenil | :D | 20:16 |
| faenil | and it was me xD | 20:16 |
| faenil | they* | 20:16 |
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| faenil | AAAAAAAAAND | 20:19 |
| faenil | I got a free N9 too :D | 20:19 |
| faenil | the day after :D | 20:20 |
| faenil | so I was pretty lucky actually :D | 20:20 |
| iekku | faenil, christmas is early this year? or just a birthday presents and christmas is coming? | 20:20 |
| faenil | iekku: that's what I thought :P | 20:20 |
| iekku | or they together? | 20:20 |
| faenil | is Santa Claus here at QtDD or what? XD | 20:20 |
| iekku | :D | 20:21 |
| faenil | yeah...I'd go for that one :D | 20:21 |
| faenil | we were at the keynote | 20:21 |
| iekku | but i think you have earned them :) | 20:21 |
| faenil | and they said "we're going to choose a colour now" | 20:21 |
| faenil | they started a random thing, which selected the blue color | 20:21 |
| faenil | and all people with the blue card (the color of your card depended on the sessions path you registered to) | 20:22 |
| faenil | got a Free N9 :D | 20:22 |
| faenil | xD | 20:22 |
| iekku | :D | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now THATs kinda insane | 20:22 |
| faenil | :D | 20:22 |
| javispedro | I am really impressed about -- http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-vs-nokia-n9-the-tale-of-the-tape/ | 20:22 |
| javispedro | thought they were just dumping the wp device but it seems that it is really cheaper and more lowend | 20:23 |
| faenil | well, otherwise, quim gil had told me I should have gone and talk to him, to see if he could do anything about that :) | 20:23 |
| faenil | it is cheaper, but... | 20:23 |
| faenil | less ram...no NFC... | 20:23 |
| javispedro | that's exactly what I mean. | 20:24 |
| Ans5i | new symbian | 20:24 |
| faenil | xD | 20:24 |
| Ans5i | i liked some of the stuff like xbox etc. and the online storage | 20:24 |
| faenil | does anyone have any suggestion about what to do with my new Kindle? :D | 20:24 |
| faenil | It's not the latest one, it's the one with the physical keyboard, but it's got 3G + WiFi, + WorldWide FREE 3G Connection!! :D | 20:25 |
| javispedro | even the OMAP is potentially comparable to that Qualcomm. | 20:25 |
| faenil | javispedro: you, but the gpu is probably better in the qualcomm | 20:26 |
| faenil | yup* | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | clone the SIM and send a copy to me | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | worldwide free 3G data, WTF?! | 20:27 |
| faenil | yup... | 20:27 |
| faenil | with some exceptions...which are not specified there... | 20:28 |
| faenil | like, Germany..-.- | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd be surprised to find a SIM that allowed worldwide roaming for calls | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | some sat carriers may have a pretty good coverage on GSM roaming | 20:29 |
| faenil | ok here's it | 20:29 |
| faenil | Travel the globe and still get books in under 60 seconds. Kindle Keyboard 3G uses GSM technology — the most popular mobile wireless standard — with wireless coverage in over 100 countries and territories, such as Australia, Hong Kong, Germany, Japan, Norway, Spain, South Africa, the United States and many others | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | still they rely on fill in via SAT in those areas where they didn't find a roaming partner | 20:29 |
| faenil | bit, it doesn't work here in Munich...-.- | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | so much for "worldwide GSM" - ok, next | 20:30 |
| faenil | ahahahha | 20:30 |
| faenil | yeah... | 20:31 |
| faenil | the package only says 3G | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | worldwide roaming on 3G, meh. Even more unlikely | 20:31 |
| faenil | man, that's what it says.. :D | 20:32 |
| faenil | No Monthly Wireless Bills No monthly wireless bills or commitments. Amazon pays for Kindle Keyboard 3G's wireless connectivity so you won't see a monthly wireless bill | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, and here in Europe you pay roaming fees of like $$$/MB by only accidentally booking in to italy's carrier when living in Germany next to the border | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I *bet* Amazon happily will pay all that, worldwide | 20:34 |
| faenil | I know man, it sounds so strange... | 20:35 |
| faenil | but that's what they advertise it for.. | 20:35 |
| faenil | what's your opinion instead | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess Amazon has some config page where you can move your account home network to one of arbitrary 100 countries | 20:35 |
| faenil | mmm | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | also you're aware this "3G" is for sure limited to access to Amazon site *only* | 20:36 |
| faenil | nope | 20:37 |
| faenil | there's the "Browser" | 20:37 |
| faenil | I can connect to the shop everywhere | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't see this fly | 20:37 |
| faenil | wirelessly | 20:37 |
| faenil | yey :D | 20:39 |
| faenil | it doesn't work in germany, but it should work in Italy :D | 20:39 |
| faenil | oh wait | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever, tell me when you're able to google wirelessly, for $=nuttin, worldwide. Would for sure be worth the purchase of the kindle then, as any similar SIM card / contract is more per month than any such device of Amazon | 20:41 |
| SpeedEvil | They're making web browsing only wifi IIRC | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that doesn't count here, really | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | each idiot can make $random_app for free over wifi | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it's you paying for the wifi<->internet connectivity | 20:44 |
| javispedro | I do know some people that do this | 20:44 |
| javispedro | was never interested in the details but discussions are plenty on the www | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | doing what exactly? | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | wifi sharing communities | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 20:45 |
| javispedro | they thether using the amazon 3g | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 20:45 |
| faenil | Doc | 20:46 |
| faenil | it's real 3g web browsing, check this out | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it *might* be more interesting than I thought | 20:46 |
| faenil | some countries get webbrowsing for all websites | 20:46 |
| faenil | the rest only Wikipedia and Amazon store | 20:46 |
| faenil | http://kindleworld.blogspot.com/p/countries-with-free-kindle-3g-access.html | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much | 20:46 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: aiui it's not real internet though, but rather you have to go through their proxy | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | they even have a browser optimizer | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | with a *huge* cache | 20:47 |
| faenil | yeah probably :) | 20:47 |
| faenil | well, I guess they're already paying A LOT to give this service | 20:48 |
| faenil | and I guess how long this will last.. | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | sth like "render in 'the cloud', mobile only gets the preprocessed data" | 20:48 |
| faenil | but it's one year now I think, or smthg like that | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | kinda like vnc to amazon server with real browser | 20:49 |
| faenil | ehehe | 20:49 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders linking to his proposal ages ago for something like the browser optimies | 20:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so no matter what you are thinking you are browsing at in that kindle, your 3G connection is always to amazon.com, and carriers won't probably allow anything else | 20:51 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: at this rate someone's going to bring your idea to the patent office first ;P | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc apple has a similar deal for their OTA "SIM activation" | 20:52 |
| javispedro | and BB used to have | 20:52 |
| faenil | what do you mean Doc? | 20:52 |
| faenil | still, you can visit all websites | 20:52 |
| faenil | who cares if you do that through amazon.com or throught the direct website | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | try freenode IRC web portal ;-P | 20:53 |
| faenil | I'm on IRC webchat :D | 20:53 |
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| javispedro | or e.g. they'd ban you if you try to do anything interesting over port 80 | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil: for sure not via 3G | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | for free | 20:54 |
| faenil | ;) | 20:54 |
| faenil | what's the problem with it? | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | it TOO FRIGGIN EXPENSIVE for Amazon | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and won't earn them a dime in return | 20:54 |
| faenil | I meant why IRC web portal...I know that 3g is expensive :P | 20:54 |
| rafael2k | people, is hamattan-dev.nokia.com the right place to the SDK? it's still at beta2! | 20:54 |
| javispedro | rafael2k: go complain to Nokia... | 20:55 |
| rafael2k | javispedro: :/ | 20:55 |
| rafael2k | <- still not able to compile things locally in the N950 because of this.. | 20:55 |
| * RST38h wonders why anyone would go into anal slavery to Amazon | 20:56 | |
| RST38h | Just get yourself a generic Android tablet *or* a generic Chinese-made ebook reader. | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil: Amazon hosts the true "browser", has full control over what it will allow/forward and what not, and I can't see Amazon paying GB/month of OTA data via 3G that's not caused by paid content giving them return of investment | 20:57 |
| RST38h | Doc: They are selling you .pdf files for $11 a pop. I think they can afford shelling out a bit of this money for 3G. | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | data volumes at carriers aren't for free, neither for you nor for Amazon nor for anybody else, as carriers want to make profit | 20:58 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer: so what do you think they'll do? | 20:58 |
| RST38h | Doc: Especially by signing a wholesale deal with a big corporate cellservices provider | 20:58 |
| faenil | Doc: anyway, it's still something wonderful...you've got complete (kinda) worldlike (kinda) FREE internet access | 20:58 |
| faenil | exactly | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | they'll make sure your data volume is well below where they start to pay more to carriers than you pay to them | 20:59 |
| javispedro | RST38h: not a .pdf but a PalmOS database file (.azw) ;P | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and they are free to choose whatever restrictions they consider opportune to achive this goal | 20:59 |
| npm | Is this correct?? -- "Store the application icon in /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/icons/ . " http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Publishing_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Packaging_your_application_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK | 20:59 |
| rafael2k | other doubt with the new firmware, how to disable aegis? | 21:00 |
| RST38h | javispedro: OMG | 21:00 |
| rafael2k | ow at least put it in the relaxed mode | 21:00 |
| RST38h | javispedro: this qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment. How do they deal with the 64000-byte size limit? =) | 21:00 |
| rafael2k | I cannot even chmod the sources.list.d files... | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | so while my deal for 3G data is like "10€/month for 500MB" right now, your deal with this Amazon worlwide "free" 3G data is completely on the mercy of Amazon | 21:01 |
| RST38h | rafael2k: That is for your own good! | 21:01 |
| rafael2k | RST38h: eheheheh | 21:01 |
| javispedro | RST38h: that applies to records only, there's also a 64000 limit of records, so the real max size is larger | 21:01 |
| javispedro | the format is basically an evolution of the palmdoc, which palm later based their "streaming" pdbs specification upon | 21:02 |
| RST38h | javispedro: 4palgigabytes? | 21:02 |
| javispedro | :) | 21:02 |
| javispedro | exactly :) | 21:02 |
| * RST38h wonders what made Amazon choose this particular format | 21:02 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: mobipocket | 21:02 |
| rafael2k | RST38h: I know, same thing that some say to me about don't drinking wiskie. But I do prefer drinking it! | 21:02 |
| RST38h | ah | 21:02 |
| RST38h | is it in any way related to .mobi format? | 21:02 |
| javispedro | very much | 21:03 |
| rafael2k | really people, no workaround for disabling aegis yet? | 21:03 |
| RST38h | not yet | 21:03 |
| javispedro | rafael2k: go complain to Nokia too | 21:03 |
| RST38h | kernel sources out, best esotheric scientists in the universe are working on building a usable kernel from them. | 21:03 |
| javispedro | I am in too much of a good point to post another rant to the Aegis thread, but I guess I will do once mood drops | 21:03 |
| javispedro | s/good point/good mood | 21:03 |
| rafael2k | well, I'll wait a little then | 21:04 |
| javispedro | for the bad news you mean =) | 21:04 |
| rafael2k | the usb of my N900 broke and now the N950 is my primary phone. So I have no way out | 21:04 |
| javispedro | RST38h: basically, .azw = .mobi | 21:04 |
| RST38h | aha | 21:04 |
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| faenil_ | stupid hostel wifi | 21:07 |
| faenil_ | logs out every 10 mins | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Hostile indeed. | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | rafael2k: there'll never be a real "workaround" to "disable aegis" in HARM. You're free to basically switch OS, if only by booting your own "non-HARM" kernel and watch the HARM userlend blow chunks | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | userland* | 21:09 |
| faenil_ | the Nemo image for n950 is coming soon... | 21:10 |
| faenil_ | we could spend massive amount of time on that | 21:10 |
| faenil_ | and make it usable | 21:10 |
| faenil_ | and the N9 Moslo is coming soon too, I have seen the community edition on the N9 at QtDev Days | 21:10 |
| faenil_ | problem is the guy who takes care of that is on holiday | 21:10 |
| faenil_ | that's why it's taking longer | 21:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | scuba-diving with the fishes? | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the use of MOSLO anyway? | 21:12 |
| rafael2k | people, just to make sure, the before present "aegis relaxed mode" available in beta1 and beta2 is not available anymore, is that right? | 21:12 |
| RST38h | yes | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOLO boots MOSLO in "open mode", so no way back to HARM proper without reflashing | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually in my book MOSLO is for booting *other* OS, not for HARM | 21:13 |
| faenil | SpeedEvil: no clue, that's what I was told by the guy who had the CE on N9 :D | 21:14 |
| faenil | Doc: exactly, we're booting Mer in fact... | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | rafael2k: well, it gets harder each release, and by now is probably not available at all, until this may change again *maybe*, *eventually* | 21:15 |
| faenil | with a UX on top of that | 21:15 |
| faenil | well, they are | 21:15 |
| rafael2k | RST38h: DocScrutinizer: thanks for the anwsers people, now I understand the situation better... | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 21:16 |
| faenil | Mer is only the core... | 21:16 |
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| javispedro | rafael2k: I suggest that if you have complains about the situation, make them known. | 21:17 |
| javispedro | as this does not seem to be getting better. rather, worse. | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 21:17 |
| rafael2k | javispedro: I'll do this. Where do you suggest me to publish such report? | 21:17 |
| japplo | hi | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think Nokia selling this N9 as a FOSS linux device is a bait-and-switch, a red herring | 21:18 |
| javispedro | rafael2k: If I'd knew, you'd find a message from me on such a place... ;P | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | nokia care might be the right addressee | 21:19 |
| rafael2k | I'll try to message nokia | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | though HARM technically is linux and FOSS, in practice it's like you won a $million at some lottery and they tell you the money is on this and that bank account, the account even is on your name, but they don't give you any credit card or credentials or whatever to actually *access* this account | 21:21 |
| japplo | I like to build a source code with mad. The problem is, that the libXtst-devel is missing.??? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could however ask the lottery management to send you a check to pay something, and they may or may not do that | 21:24 |
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| rafael2k | Just email quim gil | 21:29 |
| rafael2k | let's see nokia's answer | 21:30 |
| javispedro | quim != nokia these days, aiui, he's more of a Troll right now ;) | 21:32 |
| javispedro | (in the Trolltech tense, if there are any ignorants around) | 21:32 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer: you can install Debian on the Kindle xD | 21:34 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's interesting to note than one N9 that used my kernel build didn't show the warranty void warning | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I still doubt that's all correct | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | needs some confirmation | 21:35 |
| javispedro | well, I am waiting for your N9... | 21:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer too | 21:35 | |
| javispedro | but in the meantime, why'd he lie | 21:35 |
| javispedro | maybe on PR1.0 they'd forgot to put the warning =) | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I wait for *some* mail confirming any of my mails made it to either Ronan or Quim | 21:35 |
| faenil | I could try that, if my N9 wasn't still sealed in my bag | 21:36 |
| javispedro | well, you don't have warranty either | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: nobody lies. It's just he maybe looked some nudy at TV while the warning popped up, or whatever | 21:36 |
| javispedro | it's not like it doesn't stay on the screen for a whopping 10 seconds =) | 21:37 |
| javispedro | damn cable TV pr0n networks | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless e.g GSM TZ adjusts the system time, whatever | 21:37 |
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| faenil | javispedro: I think the N9 we were given are retail ones... | 21:37 |
| faenil | with warranty and stuff | 21:38 |
| javispedro | you have a receipt? =) | 21:38 |
| gri | faenil: girlfriend unsealed mine and changed background to some flowers ... have to get it back before it's too late! | 21:38 |
| faenil | javispedro: no but I have imei xD | 21:38 |
| faenil | gri: lol gri, naughty girl! | 21:39 |
| faenil | you should have paid attention to it! | 21:39 |
| iekku | gri, hah, you haven't teach her | 21:39 |
| faenil | For you who don't know it, gri had a red card, so he could not get an N9, but he went to Quim Gil, and Quim gave him one :D | 21:39 |
| gri | my attention was at the food :/ | 21:39 |
| iekku | i don't touch my "wife's" (i call my husband as a wife) phone or computer | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: do you think the rootfs&kernel&whatnot/NOLO could get updated while keeping cmt FW/rev-tag untouched? | 21:41 |
| iekku | not even for practical jokes | 21:41 |
| faenil | iekku: did not know you were a she :D | 21:42 |
| faenil | iekku : need to remember that, lol :P | 21:42 |
| iekku | as i don't want him to do any kind of stuff with my phones and computers | 21:42 |
| javispedro | faenil: they didn't hand out N9s for all assistants? O.o | 21:42 |
| faenil | javispedro: what do you mean by assistant? | 21:43 |
| iekku | faenil, i think i am physically she | 21:43 |
| javispedro | err. | 21:43 |
| iekku | mentally, not | 21:43 |
| faenil | iekku: good :) | 21:43 |
| * javispedro short circuits for a moment | 21:43 | |
| faenil | iekku: right ;) | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil: even that was an assumption of you | 21:43 |
| faenil | javispedro: lol | 21:43 |
| javispedro | faenil: they didn't hand out N9s for all attendees? | 21:43 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer: which one? | 21:43 |
| faenil | javispedro: nope | 21:44 |
| gri | halt of the attendees | 21:44 |
| gri | half* | 21:44 |
| faenil | javispedro: only those with blue cards + those who got it from quim | 21:44 |
| javispedro | hm :\ | 21:44 |
| gri | + a lot more to other people | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | <faenil> iekku: did not know you were a she :D | 21:44 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer: yeah ofc how could I imagine she was a she :D | 21:44 |
| iekku | faenil, easy google trick ? :D | 21:45 |
| faenil | ehehe :P | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, at least here we got some couples where each has a husband | 21:45 |
| iekku | :) | 21:45 |
| faenil | yup :) well, I'm not married, but got a gf :D | 21:46 |
| iekku | and if someone is calling husband as a wife i think it's easy to assume that both are males | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | which would actually make >>i call my husband as a wife<< sound more plausible ;-D | 21:46 |
| iekku | gri, so there's "divide et impera" situation :P | 21:46 |
| iekku | :) | 21:47 |
| iekku | i do the nerd stuff and bring money, he does the rest :P that's why he is wife | 21:48 |
| * gri does both ... damn | 21:48 | |
| faenil | iekku: haahaha | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | boooh, macho!!! ;-P | 21:48 |
| iekku | gri, you can't always win :D | 21:48 |
| faenil | ahahahah | 21:48 |
| faenil | but is scared of everything :P | 21:49 |
| faenil | but gri* | 21:49 |
| iekku | spiders? | 21:49 |
| gri | faenil: no, only cameras (and spiders, yes) | 21:49 |
| faenil | ahahaha | 21:49 |
| iekku | :D | 21:50 |
| iekku | oh, time to get some sleep | 21:50 |
| faenil | he was asked to take part in an interview, and he sent me XD | 21:50 |
| gri | if there's a spider in the room, my girlfriend and I seem to be doomed | 21:50 |
| faenil | bastard xD lol :P and I also lied during the interview ( well, that's anothing thing, lol) | 21:50 |
| faenil | gri: ahaah my ex-gf was like that | 21:51 |
| faenil | gri: are you already in augsburg? | 21:53 |
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| gri | faenil: In a city next to it since I'm not directly from augsburg | 21:54 |
| faenil | ok | 21:54 |
| gri | traffic home was hell but it was rush hour | 21:54 |
| faenil | oh...well good anyway | 21:55 |
| gri | was here at 18:40 so I'm here quite a while :) | 21:55 |
| faenil | you got there almost before me, lol | 21:56 |
| faenil | iekku: so, don't you know anything about CE on n9? | 21:56 |
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| faenil | she must be already sleeping :D | 22:00 |
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| japplo | I try to build keepassx for meego manhattan and I get this error: http://fpaste.org/MKED/ | 22:04 |
| javispedro | Manhattan!! | 22:04 |
| javispedro | I'd love to checkout such a Meego. | 22:04 |
| faenil | xD | 22:04 |
| faenil | don't be evil javis! XD | 22:05 |
| japplo | what is the reason for this? | 22:05 |
| javispedro | japplo: you want to add libxi-dev to your build dependencies | 22:05 |
| faenil | it's Harmattan, not Manhattan | 22:05 |
| faenil | oh you meant the problem, lol | 22:05 |
| javispedro | javispedro: you are a genius! | 22:05 |
| javispedro | japplo: where are you building this? | 22:05 |
| faenil | javispedro: ahahah | 22:05 |
| japplo | i tried it with mad | 22:06 |
| japplo | :-) | 22:06 |
| javispedro | japplo: under the QtSDK? try the other rootstrap | 22:06 |
| japplo | yes, /opt/qtsdk/Madde/bin/mad make | 22:06 |
| javispedro | harmattan mad in the qtsdk comes with two sysroots/rootstraps, one is called "nokia-meego" iirc, try that one. | 22:06 |
| mgedmin | japplo, looks like missing build dependencies | 22:07 |
| japplo | /opt/qtsdk/Madde/bin/mad list says harmattan-nokia-meego-api is default | 22:07 |
| javispedro | japplo: err then try the other one, what's it named? | 22:07 |
| japplo | harmattan-platform-api | 22:08 |
| javispedro | that one :) | 22:08 |
| mgedmin | XInput.h ought to be in the libxi-dev package | 22:08 |
| javispedro | hmrpf | 22:09 |
| japplo | yes, I've installed it. I think... | 22:09 |
| japplo | wget http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta2/free/libx/libxtst/libxtst-dev_1.1.0-3-meego421+0m6_armel.deb | 22:09 |
| japplo | /opt/qtsdk/Madde/bin/mad-admin xdpkg -i libxtst-dev_1.1.0-3-meego421+0m6_armel.deb | 22:10 |
| javispedro | ah, so you already know mad-admin, perfect | 22:10 |
| mgedmin | I'm completely unfamiliar with madde | 22:10 |
| javispedro | japplo: do the same with http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta2/free/libx/libxi/libxi-dev_1.3-4-meego392+0m6_armel.deb | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | does it build debs from a debian source package in a chroot of some kind? do you have a debian/control file with Build-Depends: ..., libxi-dev ? | 22:11 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: madde does not care about them | 22:11 |
| javispedro | (at least when using QtCreator...) | 22:12 |
| javispedro | javispedro: you need a better IRC client that does not include the user's current alias in the TAB completion roster | 22:13 |
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| japplo | javispedro: is installed and now I get a Segmentation fault :-) | 22:13 |
| faenil | zz_gri: rescue your n9 | 22:14 |
| * javispedro runs away | 22:14 | |
| * faenil hides | 22:14 | |
| * merlin1991 needs a flash image for n9 ffs | 22:15 | |
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| faenil | merlin1991: the new ocf is out | 22:16 |
| faenil | oh sorry | 22:16 |
| faenil | that's for n950 | 22:16 |
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| merlin1991 | n9 not n950 :/ | 22:16 |
| faenil | sure, sorry :) got both, so I did not think about it | 22:16 |
| japplo | http://fpaste.org/jNGf/ | 22:17 |
| faenil | last news from Nokia Conversations is, it's coming in the Fourth Quarted | 22:17 |
| faenil | quarter | 22:17 |
| faenil | merlin1991: while at qt dev days someone was saying that the fw should have been released the day before Dev Days...but they found some last minute bug, and the | 22:18 |
| faenil | and they postponed it | 22:18 |
| faenil | merlin1991: I tried to get more info about the new update from a N9 team guy at dev days this morning, but he would just say | 22:18 |
| faenil | "I know when it's coming out, but I can't say anything" | 22:19 |
| faenil | and there's one more thing to witness that theory | 22:20 |
| faenil | we were given free NFC stickers to use with the N9 (those who got a free one= | 22:21 |
| faenil | ) | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ~aegis | 22:21 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 22:21 |
| faenil | BUT, actual fw can't read NFC tags... | 22:21 |
| faenil | actually it can read NFC tags, but it doesn't perform the correspondent operation | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - what's the link to the limits... | 22:21 |
| faenil | like it reads the website but doesn't open the webbrowser | 22:21 |
| merlin1991 | thanks for the info faenil | 22:21 |
| faenil | np ;) | 22:22 |
| faenil | so I think they had NFC stickers coz they wanted to release the update before dev days :) | 22:22 |
| merlin1991 | afaik nfc reading works if you try it directly, at least the test app gives me results | 22:22 |
| faenil | yes that's what I meant... | 22:22 |
| faenil | it reads, but it doesn't perform the corresponding operation | 22:23 |
| faenil | it reads the website string | 22:23 |
| faenil | but it doesn't open the website in the webbrowser afterwards | 22:23 |
| merlin1991 | I would really like a way to write some sort of plugin that can handle any nfc uri | 22:24 |
| merlin1991 | not only specifig ndef msgs | 22:24 |
| faenil | I know almost nothing about nfc, so I can't help you :) | 22:25 |
| merlin1991 | the problem is that according to docs you can only register your application to get called for custom ndef messages | 22:25 |
| merlin1991 | so in order todo what I want I need to write a bg deamon :/ | 22:25 |
| faenil | I can tell you thought (just as an info) that the stickers we were given are 96bytes, 192bytes, and 1Kb | 22:26 |
| faenil | and the 1kb one should have some kind of security feature | 22:26 |
| faenil | Just noticed that the Lumia 800 ha NO front camera...-.- | 22:28 |
| deram | nfc reading seams to work at least in bundled angry birds... | 22:28 |
| merlin1991 | my interest is not exactly todo anything with the data, but I want to use it as sort of action trigger, i.e put a sticker on my car bt system where the id triggers enabling of bt on the phone | 22:28 |
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| lardman|home | evening all | 22:29 |
| deram | got levels open with city public transportation card.. | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: That will mean continual polling of the NFC at ~1hz or more. | 22:29 |
| faenil | merlin1991: and that was the kind of application I was thinking about too | 22:29 |
| faenil | kinda switch | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: Which will have some impact on battery life. | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | As it's got to activate quite a high power transmit coil. | 22:29 |
| faenil | SpeedEvil: I did not get you | 22:30 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: the phone detects nearby tags by itself if nfc is enabled in the settings | 22:30 |
| lardman|home | anyone have any ideas how I access the QGLWidget that I've set as my view widget from my QDeclarativeItem? | 22:30 |
| merlin1991 | (I do get the nfc banner) | 22:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: Sure - the hardware has to poll for the tag. This will be moderately expensive in terms of power. | 22:30 |
| faenil | lardman|home: I have been playing with that same thing... | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd expect it to knock a few days off standby. | 22:30 |
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| lardman|home | faenil: I guess one could just pass a pointer to the QDeclarativeView? | 22:31 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: I have nfc "enabled" all the time, and standby is more than a day so more than enough | 22:31 |
| lardman|home | but I don't see a method of QDeclarativeView to get the view widget anyway | 22:31 |
| gri | damn, laptop turned off while phoning :/ | 22:31 |
| faenil | I have a QDeclarativeItem and put the gl functions in its paintevent | 22:32 |
| lardman|home | same here, but i need to bind a texture | 22:32 |
| faenil | so that's kinda QGLWidget but with qml access | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: do you have 'energy profiler' installed? And can you try it with and without? | 22:32 |
| merlin1991 | no but I can | 22:32 |
| faenil | ok so you just do that inside the paint function of the item | 22:32 |
| lardman|home | QDeclarativeItem isn't descended from QGLWidget unfortunately | 22:32 |
| merlin1991 | I just need to find some way to plug into that os level nfc detection | 22:33 |
| gri | faenil: did you also need all three nfc stickers to unlock all angry birds levels? | 22:33 |
| faenil | gri: my N9 is still sealed...do they unlock ab levels? O_O | 22:33 |
| Arkenoi | so seems that it is reliably bricked, won't even charge :-( | 22:33 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: is energy profiler one of the dev tools? | 22:33 |
| faenil | lardman, I don't get your problem, you need no glwidget | 22:34 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: yes. | 22:34 |
| gri | faenil: oh, forgot that :) yes every nfc thingy unlocks the angry birds levels | 22:34 |
| faenil | you just set an empty glwidget as the viewport of the qdeclarativeview | 22:34 |
| mgedmin | gri, all you all you need to unlock angry birds is vi :) | 22:34 |
| lardman|home | faenil: I was hoping to use the bindTexture() method of QGLWidget | 22:34 |
| faenil | gri: wow! :D | 22:34 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: Alternatively - bmedatalogger may be installed as a commandline app | 22:34 |
| faenil | lardman|home: of course, and you can use it | 22:34 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: docs on the energy profiler? | 22:35 |
| gri | mgedmin: well, I did not activate the developer mode nor put a sim card in yet :) | 22:35 |
| SpeedEvil | nvm - sorry - going to sleep. | 22:35 |
| faenil | lardman|home: I don't get your problems :D You just transfer all your calls from the glwidget's paintGL to item's paint() | 22:35 |
| gri | lardman: you don't need a gl view, a context is enaugh - and this even has static functions for getting the current one | 22:36 |
| lardman|home | faenil: so you have placed a QGLWidget in the QDeclarativeWidget? | 22:36 |
| Summeli | sounds like a very bad idea... | 22:36 |
| gri | err glwidget, you need a glwidget as viewport - damn :P | 22:36 |
| faenil | declview.setViewport(glwidget); | 22:37 |
| gri | faenil: or -graphicssystem opengl ;) | 22:37 |
| faenil | glwidget being an "empty" one | 22:37 |
| Summeli | mixing qgraphicsview based stuff with qwidgets... not so good idea :) | 22:37 |
| lardman|home | faenil: yeah, done that | 22:37 |
| faenil | Summeli: qgraphicsview and qwidgets? | 22:37 |
| faenil | lardman|home: ok, so now you just take your paintGL code and copy it to QDeclItem's paint() | 22:38 |
| Summeli | faenil: yeah, huge penalty in fps | 22:38 |
| faenil | and find a way to call initializeGL too | 22:38 |
| faenil | Performance I have are the ones I expected... | 22:38 |
| faenil | i.e. 20fps with 40k tri/sec | 22:38 |
| faenil | or smthg like that | 22:38 |
| faenil | don't remember .. | 22:39 |
| lardman|home | faenil: hang on 5, on phone | 22:39 |
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| * gri would use Qt3D but that's out of the yuestion here | 22:39 | |
| Summeli | gri: me too | 22:39 |
| faenil | sure | 22:39 |
| faenil | exactly, out of question :P | 22:39 |
| Summeli | using shaders is so fast with that code | 22:39 |
| faenil | Summeli: well using shaders is always write code and compile, what's difficult in that? | 22:40 |
| faenil | setting uniforms and stuff? | 22:40 |
| faenil | Summeli: anything if you think I'm doing something wrong, please insist and I'll change it ;) | 22:40 |
| faenil | anyway* | 22:41 |
| Summeli | faenil: yeah, you don't have to do that with qt3d | 22:41 |
| faenil | Summeli: okay, but that's easy stuff :) | 22:41 |
| Summeli | and it even has the default shaders for you | 22:41 |
| faenil | Summeli: that's already better :P | 22:41 |
| ieatlint | i'm voting for someone for mayor running on a platform of "shut up", a tax on "ironic mustaches", and "all cops in chaps".. among other key ideas. | 22:41 |
| * ieatlint loves his city | 22:41 | |
| faenil | I'm not using anything because I want to learn how it works, don't know about lardman ;) | 22:41 |
| gri | faenil: already left the bar? | 22:43 |
| faenil | gri: I'm still in the hostel... | 22:43 |
| faenil | gri: which bar are you talking about? :) | 22:43 |
| gri | the hostel's bar | 22:43 |
| faenil | oh ok, yeah I'm still close to there | 22:43 |
| faenil | people sleeping in my 12 people room, lol | 22:44 |
| lardman|home | re | 22:44 |
| faenil | Summeli: I'm actually having problems with raypicking atm | 22:44 |
| faenil | would you please help me out? I can send you the code...even tomorrow ;) | 22:45 |
| Summeli | faenil: I'm afraid that I don't have time for it :/ | 22:45 |
| Summeli | I'm quite busy at work.. | 22:45 |
| lardman|home | the issue is when I set up my OpenGL code, I need to bind a texture, which was previously being done by a call to QGLWidget, but now I don't have a pointer to one of those | 22:45 |
| faenil | Summeli: ok, no problem ;) my problem is I think I have some problems with don't know what... | 22:45 |
| faenil | ray picking only works when I don't move camera/scene | 22:46 |
| faenil | and it works on the left but not on the right, or smthg like that | 22:46 |
| lardman|home | in initialiseGL() in fact... | 22:46 |
| faenil | just replace that call with a pure GL one then | 22:46 |
| faenil | glGenTexture or don't know whatelse :) | 22:47 |
| faenil | glBindTexture | 22:47 |
| gri | noo | 22:47 |
| lardman|home | sure, 'twas my next step, just wondering if I was doing it wrong though | 22:47 |
| lardman|home | the docs are somewhat sparse on things like this | 22:47 |
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| faenil | yup, I asked for help for days to get it working xD | 22:48 |
| faenil | read forums and stuff | 22:48 |
| lardman|home | :) | 22:48 |
| lardman|home | yeah I've got this far using tips from Questions and forums | 22:48 |
| faenil | and still, I have a little problem, which could be unrelated to this though | 22:48 |
| lardman|home | I'll have another look at the OpenGLES code and convert away from the Qt wrappers | 22:48 |
| faenil | ;) | 22:48 |
| faenil | Summeli: what's your idea instead? what should I do? | 22:49 |
| lardman|home | I'd prefer to not being using OpenGL, I just want to render video data to a QML element | 22:49 |
| lardman|home | s/prefer not to/am not bothered whether I use | 22:49 |
| Summeli | faenil: hard to say anything without looking at the code or seeing the what it does.. | 22:49 |
| faenil | I meant you said something about qwidgets and graphicsview | 22:50 |
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| Summeli | yeah, last time i tested it, it turned out with very bad fps | 22:50 |
| faenil | lardman|home: there was a session about qtquick3d being used to render video on a cube today at qt dev days | 22:50 |
| Summeli | but that could be better now.. | 22:50 |
| faenil | Summeli: could you please elaborate? what's the alternative | 22:50 |
| gri | damn, nvidia driver installer just resarted my laptop without asking | 22:51 |
| faenil | gri: lol | 22:51 |
| Summeli | faenil: not mixing them :D | 22:51 |
| lardman|home | faenil: hmm, I'll see if I can find a webcast | 22:51 |
| faenil | Summeli: who's using qwidget and who's using qgraphicsview? | 22:51 |
| faenil | and what's the alternative? (how do I avoid mixing them?) | 22:51 |
| Summeli | faenil: in this case I would guess that you're going go get the same 20fps in you qgrpahicsview based object too | 22:51 |
| Summeli | maybe that's not a problem | 22:52 |
| faenil | this is the only way it seemed to work, and that's what people on chat told me to do, and what qtdevnet forum said | 22:52 |
| faenil | but really, who's using qwidget and who qgraphicsview? | 22:52 |
| faenil | :) | 22:52 |
| faenil | I mean which class.. | 22:53 |
| Summeli | faenil: I think that it depends... | 22:53 |
| Summeli | which Qt version are you using | 22:53 |
| faenil | 4.7.3 | 22:53 |
| faenil | how do you know that I'm mixing them then XD | 22:54 |
| lardman|home | mixing as in how? Having a ui which has both QWidgets and QGraphicsView objects? | 22:54 |
| faenil | lardman|home: that's what I'm trying to understand :) I'm not a Qt expert, and Summeli is quite good at graphics :P | 22:54 |
| gri | lardman|home: No idea what you're looking for but you can also start your program with "-graphicsystem opengl" and use QGLContext::currentContext() for your texture calls | 22:54 |
| Summeli | faenil: newermind | 22:54 |
| Summeli | I have only tested these on my desktop with the git-version | 22:55 |
| faenil | Summeli: really, I wanted an explanation :O as you wish, anyway ;) | 22:55 |
| faenil | Could you please elaborate more on the details? :D | 22:55 |
| faenil | I'm not getting what's going on here xD | 22:56 |
| Summeli | faenil: what I tested it seemed that the glwidget slowed my drawing with the declarative view | 22:56 |
| lardman|home | gri: I have a QML app, with a QDeclarativeView setup in C++ and I wish to export a C++ object in the form of a QDeclarativeItem to the QMl code so that I can render video | 22:56 |
| Summeli | I didn't get the 60fps with that one | 22:56 |
| faenil | ok...what could you do instead? | 22:56 |
| lardman|home | gri: QGLContext static calls look interesting though | 22:56 |
| Summeli | I haven't debugged that one enough to say more about mixing them.. | 22:56 |
| Summeli | faenil: there's no solution, if you want to have them both | 22:57 |
| faenil | lardman|home: hadn't you already solved the problem : ) | 22:57 |
| faenil | Summeli: the things is, at the moment I see NO other option to do the same thing, that's why I'm asking you :D | 22:57 |
| Summeli | faenil: yes, there's no options for this | 22:57 |
| lardman|home | faenil: potentially ;) | 22:57 |
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| faenil | Summeli: okay, good :) | 22:58 |
| gri | Summeli: don't all meegotouch applications use opengl by default? I thought it was like that | 22:58 |
| Summeli | gri: but those are not qwidget based | 22:58 |
| Summeli | or are they? :) | 22:58 |
| faenil | xD | 22:58 |
| mgedmin | qt apps use opengl when they're in the foreground, and regular 2d graphics when their thumbnails are rendered for the task switcher | 22:58 |
| gri | Summeli: yeah but faenil wanted to use a qglwidget as viewport that's not a qwidget based application | 22:58 |
| faenil | gri: I can use whatever you think it's best... | 22:59 |
| faenil | gri: I only want to reach my target, which is opengl 3d game | 22:59 |
| faenil | with qml ui | 22:59 |
| gri | well, qdeclarativeview with gl viewport != widget based application as far as I know | 22:59 |
| Summeli | gri: yeah! | 23:00 |
| faenil | so? | 23:00 |
| gri | faenil: so that should be fast - it get slow when you start adding qwidget*'s to your graphicsscene | 23:01 |
| faenil | ok got what you meant, you were referring to Summeli | 23:02 |
| Summeli | that's what I saw too | 23:02 |
| gri | yeah, I was just telling you both that you were not talking about the same topic :P | 23:02 |
| faenil | gri: :P | 23:02 |
| faenil | gri: I forgot to check the code with you.. | 23:03 |
| gri | faenil: well, you still have gitorious, remote desktop, skype ... so there should be ways | 23:04 |
| faenil | sure ;) | 23:04 |
| faenil | gri: remember it's not starting from the icon? I think it's because of the target update in the sdk | 23:04 |
| merlin1991 | does anybody know about the underlying nfc software stack? | 23:04 |
| faenil | because the icon is not there either | 23:04 |
| faenil | while there should have been Qt icon | 23:05 |
| faenil | so probably both icon and bin paths have changed | 23:05 |
| faenil | in the latest update | 23:05 |
| faenil | or smthg like that | 23:05 |
| merlin1991 | I could only find the high level qt api docs, wich do't offer what I need | 23:05 |
| gri | faenil: I also have the latest sdk (couple of days old) and my application still works | 23:05 |
| faenil | who knows :P | 23:06 |
| faenil | application icons doesn't break like that :P | 23:06 |
| faenil | it's not like my code is bugged, that's autogenerated xD | 23:06 |
| gri | so does it start by commandline? | 23:07 |
| gri | do you use invoker? can you start it with invoker by the commandline? | 23:07 |
| faenil | is it in opt/bin? | 23:07 |
| gri | depends where you have installed it | 23:08 |
| Summeli | yeah, I had to change invoker after lates update | 23:08 |
| faenil | Summeli: good news | 23:08 |
| faenil | gri, I did not choose any installation path | 23:08 |
| Summeli | --type=d into --type=e and it starts up | 23:08 |
| faenil | where | 23:08 |
| gri | .desktop file | 23:08 |
| Summeli | you can test that with console application quite easily | 23:08 |
| Summeli | try to start your app with invoker | 23:09 |
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| Arkenoi | sucks. last time i tried it was identified by USB subsystem as "nokia rom". now it does not show up on usb at all :-/ | 23:09 |
| faenil | ok ;) | 23:10 |
| * gri still has --type=d there and it works .. hmm | 23:10 | |
| faenil | xD | 23:10 |
| Arkenoi | i guess i should try to open the cover and charge the battery by external charger :-/ if i only had one.. | 23:10 |
| Summeli | gri: well, I all kinds of starnge memory tricks with my app | 23:10 |
| Summeli | I'm just happy that it starts | 23:11 |
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| faenil | xD | 23:11 |
| Summeli | I can't really remember what those types were, but changing the app type did help | 23:11 |
| gri | Summeli: yeah but I also have other problems with invoker. If the application is started by invoker, aegis forbis me to open the contact card which is just a simple dbus call that's not even limited to something | 23:11 |
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| Summeli | gri: maybe you should check the types aswell :) | 23:12 |
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| DanielW | hi | 23:18 |
| DanielW | i got my n9 yesterday and just start playing arround with the qtsdk | 23:19 |
| DanielW | and well i now have a problem with qtmobility | 23:20 |
| faenil | DanielW: got it where? | 23:20 |
| DanielW | i am always getting 0 entries from QOrganizerManager.items( | 23:20 |
| faenil | maybe gri knows something about that | 23:21 |
| DanielW | i bought it on ebay.de from a guy who got it from getmobile.de | 23:21 |
| * mgedmin googles QOrganizerManager | 23:23 | |
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| mgedmin | what is this "organizer"? calendar? | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | could be you need some aegis tokens to access that info... | 23:24 |
| DanielW | i thought it is the calender. and about aegis tokens, i put something (not sure if it is correct) in the manifest.aegis file | 23:25 |
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| DanielW | shouldn't i get this "QOrganizerManager::PermissionsError" from QOrganizerManager::error() if it is an aegis problem? | 23:26 |
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| mgedmin | no idea, sorry | 23:27 |
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| mgedmin | haven't encountered aegis-protected stuff in my meager development efforts yet... | 23:28 |
| faenil | so how can I get root on 39-5? | 23:31 |
| gri | I think I heard that you can't access the calendar of the n9 at all but that may be wrong | 23:31 |
| gri | faenil: login as developer or user and run devel-su with "rootme" as password | 23:31 |
| faenil | is that exactly the same? | 23:31 |
| gri | yes | 23:31 |
| faenil | ok thx | 23:32 |
| faenil | why did they delete the other way? | 23:32 |
| mgedmin | because letting anyone in the local network root your n950 is a bad idea? | 23:33 |
| gri | damn, I could have put a trojan horse on all beta2 n950's on devdays :P | 23:33 |
| faenil | ahahahah | 23:34 |
| faenil | right | 23:34 |
| faenil | lol | 23:34 |
| npm | anybody have a sample debian 'control' file that passed ovi store requirements for a qt multimedia/mobility/location app? | 23:39 |
| npm | is 'Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}' good enough or do i need to explicitly list dependencies? | 23:40 |
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| npm | or ... if my package builds and installs fine on my n950, can i assume its deb 'control' file is setup apropriately? | 23:49 |
| * npm attempting to understand/comply with http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/index.php?title=Special:PdfPrint&page=Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Publishing_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Packaging_your_application_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK | 23:50 | |
| faenil | gri: | 23:51 |
| faenil | O_O http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokias-kinetic-future-flexible-screens-and-a-twisted-interface/ | 23:51 |
| npm | which says "control file: added short and long package descriptions and any dependencies and build dependencies to the file" | 23:51 |
| * lardman|home heads for bed | 23:53 | |
| lardman|home | night all | 23:53 |
| gri | faenil: wow, I saw this displays some months ago and though "who would control a phone by twisting" :P | 23:53 |
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| faenil | gri: ahahaha | 23:53 |
| faenil | elop will, lol | 23:53 |
| gri | did I mention that I even hate controlling games with accelerometer? ;) | 23:54 |
| faenil | well I hate that too... :| | 23:54 |
| gri | the video convinced me that even the woman showing the controls is confused by them | 23:55 |
| faenil | NEWS: N9 preorder in Italy...769,99€............................................................................................................................ | 23:56 |
| faenil | gri: that's coz it's a new UI | 23:56 |
| gri | "you broke your display by bending too hard" | 23:57 |
| faenil | who said that? :D | 23:58 |
| gri | me | 23:58 |
| faenil | oh ok :D | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 23:58 |
| faenil | because this one doesn't seems to break down | 23:59 |
| faenil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJEHp15Hoo0 | 23:59 |
| faenil | look at the end | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | oh nice, a wiggle interface | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | I have the best marketing campaign for it | 23:59 |
| faenil | :D | 23:59 |
| gri | faenil: how do you bend the rest of your phone hardware? | 23:59 |
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