IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2011-10-24

artemmaHow do you detect screen orientation in Harmattan (e.g. for title bar resizing)00:03
artemmaI am trying screen.orientation, but somehow not sure if it works00:04
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rantomWhoops, wrong channel, sorry00:10
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JaffaMohammadAG: Oooh, scary.00:26
JaffaMohammadAG: Shall I expect a friend request? Or be offended if not?00:27
mjaartemma, you've had a look at this?:
artemmaThanks, mja, that example doesn't work on harmattan00:28
artemmaI solved it already though00:28
artemmaas usual small nagging details between symbian comps, harmattan comps and harmattan docs00:28
artemmaTo pay respect to Symbian comps team: their docs are surprisingly accurate and good. Also easier to use, so most of time when developing for Harmattan, I actually use Symbian components docs00:29
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artemmawhat is the easy way to install boosted WG to PR.1.1?01:02
artemmaI like their screenshotting01:02
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artemmahow do you ssh to device in PR1.101:23
artemmaI remember people talking about problems with it, maybe by now these are solved :)01:23
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M4rtinKartemma: for some reason (probably Aigis :P) it is no longer possible to login as root03:06
M4rtinKlogging in as user works though03:06
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DocScrutinizergrep PermitRootLogin /etc/ssh/sshd_config03:29
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jabishmm - the rsync package requires base-files >= 4.0.1 - which repo holds them - no provides link04:13
jabisnvm - searched the logs and it's a faulty depends, forced dep-version and installed ok04:30
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DocScrutinizereverything installs OK on forced deps. It's just a question of running the app if it coredumps any time with unresolved external symbol. Good practice to check the app with LD_BIND_NOW=true, so you notice any unresolved symbols immediately rather than at random point in time during runtime04:48
jabisDocScrutinizer: I meant it's not actually needing the deps - it was fixed at some point, but the deps got back at a later merge to the pkg04:50
DocScrutinizerLD_BIND_NOW will tell you for sure04:51
DocScrutinizerman ld-linux04:51
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jabishave to test it when I get up - now time to sleep a few hours (5am already x)05:07
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QantouriscHow easy is it to run custom software on this thing ?08:39
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xarcassQantourisc: piece of cake08:44
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macmaNhrm, when you share an image from gallery with no internet connection and it moves to Pending Transfer, no amount of connecting to internet seems to initiate this transfer afterwards10:33
macmaNat least not without a reboot i believe10:34
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macmaNit could also be related to "background internet connections" being off10:38
macmaNim noticing things want to unwork when you turn that off10:39
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meegomyLCD screen possible change to AMOLED screen?10:47
meceI think the screen is custom made for the device. I don't think you can change it10:49
Arkenoistill no new ocf?10:55
Stskeepsit's monday morning in finland, you should know -nothing- happens until people's caffeine levels are reached10:56
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ieatlintit's 11am in finland, the caffeine should be in by now11:02
TronicNo way. My alarm clock just ran and I only had a sip so far.11:03
ieatlinttry pure powdered caffiene11:03
ieatlintand remember, if you have enough, it causes hallucinations and psychotic episodes... so you have a goal!11:04
meegomyi was wondering its that possible to rip off AMOLED from e7 & put it into N950 :P11:22
alteregoN950 signal and battery are much better in latest update.11:24
RST38hmeegowy: no.11:24
meegomyah.. thats bad11:27
ieatlintmeegomy: try it.11:33
artemmaРш фдд11:35
artemmaHi all11:36
artemmawhat is the easy way to install boosted WG to PR.1.1?11:36
artemmaI like their screenshotting11:36
meegomyieatlint: its the LCD & AMOLED screen port is the same? o.O11:38
ieatlinti doubt it, but i'd love to hear what happens in the attempt11:38
RST38hwith a video11:39
meegomyit'll void my e7 warranty =|11:39
ieatlintand remember, if random guy on irc tells you to do it, you must11:40
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meegomyno proper documentation of disassemble n95011:45
deramone positive thing: it won't void the n950 warranty (as it does not exist)11:48
Stskeepsbut you would probably have to pay 600 eur when they ask back the loan in device programme11:49
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ArkenoiRST38h, here? is weird autocapitalization finally fixed in pr1.1?11:50
ieatlintyeah, they'll probably do that any day now11:53
hiemanshuArkenoi: Dont think so11:54
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meegomyi got this device less than a week o.O11:56
jreznikArkenoi: it is not fixed (as I hit it several times)12:06
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artemmahow do you ssh to device in PR1.1?12:13
artemmaI remember people talking about problems with it, maybe by now these are solved :)12:13
artemmamobile terminal is good, by sshing is more efficient12:13
nibblerartemma: ssh to or from the phone?12:17
artemmassh to phone from my desktop12:17
artemmato manipulate phone's file system from my desktop12:17
Hq`what problems?12:17
artemmatry it :)12:17
Hq`you can't login as root but logging in as developer should work as usual12:17
artemmait says "permission denied"12:17
sandst1artemma: root ssh is disabled. use ssh user@ and then devel-su12:17
sandst1or as developer12:18
sandst1as Hq` said12:18
nibblerartemma: try as user.12:18
artemmawhat's the password?12:18
meceartemma, you need to set it on device12:19
artemmayou mean passwd?12:19
meceartemma, devel-su; passwd user12:20
artemmaI wonder what happens if I forget it12:20
artemmawill devel-su still override everythign (so that I could set password to something else)?12:20
meceyes. It's root.12:20
artemmathanks you, it worked12:21
meceis there still no image to flash for N9?12:23
ieatlintseemingly not12:25
sandst1mece: there is. you can download it with NaviFirm12:27
mecesandst1, umm wot?12:27
sandst1mece: it's a tool that crawls through N public servers and allows you to download firmware images for various models12:28
sandst1mece: and it also shows n9 images12:28
sandst1mece: just reflashed my n9 last week12:28
mecewhere are the public N9 images I wonder...12:28
sandst1mece: good question..12:29
meceI guess I can track where it downloads stuff from.12:29
meceI'll check it out. Thanks sandst112:30
sandst1mece: np. here's some discussion on the topic:
mecewow pretty cool :)12:33
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artemmaHow can I make the Row be of height of what its children want + some margins on top and bottom?12:59
artemmaI can come up only with the nested structures that look a little ugly13:00
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sandst1artemma: doesn't Row have a children parameter? so sth like height = children.height + margin?13:01
artemmayou mean childrenRect I suppose>13:01
tommayou cant set height for row... but you can insert empty item with marging height?13:02
artemmaexactly :)13:02
artemmaI don't like empty item13:02
artemmaright now I am trying to wrap row with an Item or Rectangle13:02
artemmaso that I could use margins in the wrapper13:02
sandst1artemma: ah yes, childrenrect13:02
artemmayep, wrapper worked, not sure if Ilike it enough though13:03
artemmasandst1: problem is that it would modify the childrenRect.height :)13:03
sandst1artemma: good point :)13:05
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kgutteridgemust be a stupid question but here goes! If I have an app for the N9 that just consists of a rectangle that I want to be full screen portrait, do I really have to rotate the view by -90 to stop it appearing in landscape?15:19
kgutteridgeI have set the QmlApplicationViewer to lock to portrait15:20
hiemanshukgutteridge: you have to lock the individual Pages to an orientation15:21
hiemanshuand you should use PageStackWindow and Page for your app, and embed the rectangle inside that15:21
kgutteridgehiemanshu: ill give that a whirl thanks15:22
kgutteridgei take it use the orientationLock on the QML page component15:23
sandst1kgutteridge: yup. orientationLock: PageOrientation.LockPortrait15:23
meceI'm curious, are the sharing plugins on Harmattan similar to those on Fremantle?15:27
tommait uses
mecetomma, thanks15:31
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wookHello :)15:53
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wookHehehehe :) you here too :P15:57
wookSo, you know my question about landscape mode :P15:58
matrixxwook: by default it doesn't work in landscape, but it can be hacked with a simple tweek15:58
matrixxinstructions here:
wookGreat :D i love tweakings :D16:00
matrixxthough a bit outdated, with latest software you can't ssh as root16:00
matrixxneed to open a new login shell with devel-su instead16:00
wookI saw :D16:01
wookReally can't wait to put my paws on new device :D16:01
decibytenice hack. i'm sometimes kinda missing the landscape mode from n900.16:02
wookI never tried n900 :S16:02
wookWent for n97mini instead for n900 :S16:02
matrixxI used the hack in the first version of the fw, but didn't bother to apply it after flashing beta216:03
wookAnyone oc-ed n950? :D16:03
matrixxbeen trying to get used to the vkb if I own N9 some day ;)16:03
matrixxI just have to learn to live with it16:03
wookMy e7 is 90% of time in landscape mode (including now) :D16:04
wookAnd when charging :D16:04
wookBtw, in n950 is regular sim card? Not micro one?16:06
matrixxwook: yes16:06
wookGood :D16:06
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wookWhat about task switching?16:06
decibytewhat about it?16:07
wookIs there switcher or it has to be done with swipe only?16:08
decibytehaven't you seen any videos showing how it works?16:08
matrixxwook: yeah you need to swipe your current app away first before accessing the switcher16:09
wookAhh, then first i'll do is "fn+left/right" for switching the apps :D16:10
deimosIf I remember well I read somewhere that also ctrl+backspace can switch16:10
deimoswook:  oh yes, maybe that16:11
decibytethat's obviously for n950 only16:11
decibytewook: i.e. it won't be any help to all n9 users16:12
wookI use ctrl+backspace for eqAltTab on my e7 :D16:12
deramthis reminds me, are the volume buttons on N9 able to be mapped to any function in my own program?16:13
deramfor example to pageup/down in enhanced terminal program...16:14
wookDeram, maybe volume keys can be used for tast switching too :-O :D16:15
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wookWow, this is awesome machine :D16:26
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FryeI would be happy if the volume keys could be used for changing volume inside youtube video or music player =)16:31
FryeLooks like that functionality just drops out at some point16:31
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Fryeafter restart it's perfect again. Happened twice now16:32
wookFrye, n950?16:32
FryeN9 =)16:32
FryeI don't have the luxury of N950 =(16:32
FryeAlthough I have to say I do like the N9 too16:32
wookI wouldn't be able to use it without qwerty....:S16:33
wookQwertz actually16:33
merlin1991german vkbd doesn't have the ß !16:34
FryeI thought so at first16:34
Fryeas I had N900 in the past16:34
deramI'd love to see this one tailormade for N9
Fryebut it's _very_ usable when compared for example to iPhone I have lying around here16:34
Fryethe feedback form the on-screen keyboard is actually quite nice16:35
wookFrye, saw e7's vkbd?16:35
wookHmmm, it is also good, but my fingers are not designed for it...16:36
deramthe main oskb is nice, it's just that for terminal + screen + irssi, it would be nice to have more screen for display than keyboard16:36
Fryederam, so true16:37
decibytederam: word!16:37
wookYes deram, agree on that16:37
Fryethat's why I have not yet bothered with the irc clients16:37
FryeI'm afraid I get disappointed ;-)16:37
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wookFrye, atm i am online here from my E7 :D16:37
Fryebut as irc was already useless with iPhone, it can't get worse since the vkbd is better =)16:38
Fryeyeah I used to run xchat on my N90016:38
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Fryetbh if I have to choose which one I will carry as a secondary phone it will be N900 over iPhone anyday16:38
Hq`hey, you could try :)16:38
Fryebecause of the keyboard16:38
Hq`(a shameless advertisement)16:38
wookFrye, can meego support maemo's apps?16:39
deramthe meego-terminal could use a patch that makes it not notify the terminal resize every time the vkbd comes up or goes down..16:39
kgutteridgehiemanshu: thanks a lot have the app all working in portrait, if your at Nokia World or ever in London I owe you a beer/coffee16:39
Fryewook, Not directly I think.16:39
Fryeunless the maemo app was a qt app16:39
Fryehowever I'm not that good with the development stuff16:39
decibyteHq`: that looks like an interesting approach :)16:40
FryeBut I believe the xchat UI was written with gtk16:40
Fryeso it would not work out of the box16:40
Fryeneeds a qt UI at least16:40
wookGotcha :D16:40
Frye(disclaimer: I could be totally lost with the development stuff)16:40
FryeBut that's my impression16:40
fluxI would actually expect that a lot of the code that makes up xchat is in its ui :)16:41
FryeHq`, looks good. I need to give it a shot16:41
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wookGuys, see you later :) i will continue to bother you, especially when n950 comes ;) :D16:44
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deramHq`: care to share the sourcecode for that?16:46
WirtaI accidentaly the whole harmattan16:49
dm8tbrWirta: I think that's called MOSLO16:50
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spenapWirta, lol16:51
hiemanshukgutteridge: I am far far away :P but if I do come to London ever, I'll call you up for my free beer :D16:52
Fryebtw has anyone tested which one will drain battery faster, running irssi on N9/N950 or running treminal + ssh and irssi elsewhere?16:52
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radiofreeHq`: that's excellent!16:53
radiofreeHq`: what would be more excellent is custom layouts (or at least move the return key below pgdn)16:53
Wirtabasicly im facing this same problem:16:54
WirtaERROR: SU_GET_UPDATE_STATUS_REQ terminated with error code 10: Security failure16:54
WirtaDowngrade disallowed (1308869582)16:54
Wirtaguess Il have to wait for new flasher16:54
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hiemanshuWirta: in that time, you can try out Meego CE17:06
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* DocScrutinizer frowns at addr17:08
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: the link is huge17:08
DocScrutinizereven friggin fails on #meego-arm17:08
DocScrutinizer>>This channel is logged, read them at << HAHAHA17:09
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: that link is 188 chars long17:10
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wookHeya guys, one question, will: work with n950?17:12
RST38hDoc: What exactly is the problem with beta2 ocf + ota?17:12
Wirtahiemanshu, what can you do with it? prob no call functions?17:13
hiemanshuWirta: help test, its better than having an expensive paperweight17:14
fluxwirta, no idea, but it uses the gtk libraries, which don't come with n950. and it will look out-of-place even if you put them in.17:20
fluxwook I meant17:20
wookAha, so gtk libs should be fixed up for meego...17:20
hiemanshuprobably will never be done17:21
FryeWell it would be like going back to full wooden wheels17:21
hiemanshuor cycling with square tires17:21
fluxsimply reimplement gtk in terms of qtquick!17:21
Fryeflux, that might work!17:21
FryeWell it was not _that_ bad I think17:22
Fryemake the wheels with 8 corners...17:22
Fryeless bouncy ;-)17:22
fluxif the applications have 'proper mvc' isolation, perhaps adding a qtquick ui would be a simple task17:24
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FryeI have not done anything real with qtquick yet, but what I've looked into it it looks interesting17:26
FryeHave been tied to some iPhone stuff lately17:27
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Hq`deram: no, still thinking about making it a paid ovi app (even though the current version is available for free) :P17:33
Hq`radiofree: yeah, I'm planning to make the layout configurable17:34
wookCan python m17:39
wook*work with touch?17:40
wookDamn nimbuzz, brb :S17:40
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louisdk Hi. I've enabled dev mode on an N9 and is logged in as root on a terminal but "ifconfig" can't be found.18:04
lardmantry /sbin/ifconfig18:05
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aheineckein a postinstallation script of a package i have to change the group of a file in /var/log. What credential do i have to request from aegis?18:08
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MohammadAGyou need a credential to chown? :|18:08
aheineckeok i've tried to request CAP::chgrp18:08
DocScrutinizeryou'd think installer scripts had those credentials by default18:11
DocScrutinizeralso I didn't know you even can request any credentials for *installer* via the package you're going to install18:12
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fluxhow do I make those notification boxes that pop up and go away?18:16
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flux(apparently not with dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications18:19
fluxorg.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"NOTIFICATION")18:19
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MohammadAGalterego, thanks for the NMEA BT thing18:24
MohammadAG(in columbus)18:24
MohammadAGflux, fremantle?18:25
fluxmohammadag, no, harmattan18:25
tommaflux, and there should be some qml component for that too18:25
MohammadAGMBanner for MTF18:25
fluxwell, I'm writing a short piece of software that only does that, which would be better?-)18:26
tommabanner seems good18:27
fluxthanks for the pointers18:27
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MohammadAGalterego, and columbus crashed :p18:29
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DocScrutinizer>> const QString MNotification::DeviceAddedEvent = "device.added" [static] A device, such as a USB device, was added to the system.<< HAH!18:31
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MohammadAGyes OTG was planned, again :p18:32
MohammadAGand technically, that's the meego folk, not Nokia18:32
louisdkWhere can I find a guide on how to enable ssh on the N9?18:32
MohammadAGSettings -> Security -> Developer mode on18:33
GNUtonHi there, are the SDL libs available in some repos?18:33
MohammadAGso apparently my N950 was delayed till tomorrow18:33
MohammadAGI wonder how many times I'll be hearing that18:33
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louisdkMohammadAG: It's enabled. What next?18:36
MohammadAGinstall Utilities afaik18:37
louisdkThere's no afaik under dev mode > utilities. And there's no afaik by searching apt-cache search afaik.18:46
infoboti heard afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, as far as I know.18:49
MohammadAGand probably Networking18:49
DocScrutinizeractually ssh is in none of those pkgs under security->develmode18:52
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louisdkDocScrutinizer: I see that.18:54
DocScrutinizerwell, >> start ssh18:57
DocScrutinizerdunno if it's installed ootb on beta218:57
DocScrutinizer(beta1 here)18:57
DocScrutinizeror reboot ;-)18:58
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DocScrutinizerinitctl status ssh18:58
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DocScrutinizerinitctl list|grep ssh18:59
louisdk:DocScrutinizer: sh: start not found - initctl not found19:00
DocScrutinizeralso notice >>"on beta2 you can't log in as root."<<19:00
DocScrutinizerlouisdk: you'll need root/develsh for those commands19:01
louisdk:DocScrutinizer: I'm logged in as root.19:01
DocScrutinizerseems your $PATH is thoroughly messed up then19:02
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ls -l `which start`19:03
DocScrutinizerlrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root             7 Jun 11 11:19 /sbin/start -> initctl19:03
louisdk:DocScrutinizer: # /sbin/status ssh - ssh already running.19:04
DocScrutinizerso it shuld "just work"19:05
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# id19:05
DocScrutinizeruid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),4(adm),20(dialout),44(video),670(pulse-access)19:05
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# echo $PATH19:05
louisdkPremission denied. I'm used the pass seen under Connectivity details. I've tried both user and root.19:06
DocScrutinizerhmm, see^^^19:07
DocScrutinizeralso notice >>"on beta2 you can't log in as root."<<19:07
DocScrutinizerand for user you'll probably need to define a password as pw-less logins aren't usually allowed either19:08
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DocScrutinizerbut I can't help there as I don't have beta2/N919:09
louisdkI'm in. pass: rootme19:09
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: aren't you going to get a n9 for hostmode research?19:11
DocScrutinizerthat's been the story as of >2 weeks ago. Asked what's up with it 2 days ago, no reply whatsoever19:12
DocScrutinizerneither for my first mail with signed NDA, nor for the asking as of 2 days ago19:13
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DocScrutinizerwell, I seem to recall the N950-DDP wasn't exactly fast processing either19:14
DocScrutinizerso I guess I start to worry when I haven't heard anything at new year19:14
* merlin1991 curses the nfc framework19:18
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, who are you emailing?19:31
DocScrutinizerronan CC quim19:31
DocScrutinizeras adviced by ronan19:31
DocScrutinizerwell, he didn't advice me to CC quim19:32
DocScrutinizermaybe I should check my launchpad DDP page?19:33
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MohammadAGnah, this is an outside case19:35
MohammadAGif my N950 doesn't eventually arrive (i.e MIA) can I ask for another one?19:35
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Corsacthere are still n950 developers devices?19:36
Corsac(and there are n9 ones?)19:36
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DocScrutinizerthere's been *one* device Quim was able to make ship to hw-related developer19:38
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MohammadAG err19:39
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javispedromaybe interesting -- -- a promo of the N9 late manufacturing stages21:22
X-Fadejavispedro: Cool video :)21:27
RST38hmoo, javispedro, XFade21:28
deimosand cool 1st comment :)21:29
macmaNis it normal that harmattan foursquare app tells you that there's a comment on your checking but doesnt actually let you view it?21:31
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GeneralAntillesGotta love manufacturing21:40
* DocScrutinizer just wonders what that huge apperture in the back is for21:41
DocScrutinizeralso it's not exactly usual that plastic molded cases get milled out21:42
javispedrothe camera ;P21:43
DocScrutinizerdoesn't look right21:43
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dm8tbrhmm are those glossy N9s? :D21:53
dm8tbror is that just protective plastic film21:53
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DocScrutinizeraren't all N9 glossy?21:55
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SpeedEviljavispedro: OMG! Nokia leaps whole generations ahead of competitors!22:16
StskeepsSpeedEvil: what about it? :P22:17
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Milling is very economical in small quanties.22:17
StskeepsSpeedEvil: oh, no sweatshops?22:17
SpeedEvilIn Finland, sweatshops are good for you!22:19
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VenemoI've just got my new & shiny N950! :)22:21
VenemoSo is there anything newsworthy in 39-5?22:22
VenemoI did not find any flashers for it, so I'm updating OTA22:22
SpeedEvilVenemo: Congratulations.22:22
Venemothanks SpeedEvil :)22:22
StskeepsSpeedEvil: ah, so it's a sauna factory22:22
SpeedEvilVenemo: Do not play Galaxy On Fire 2. At least for me, i's annoyingly addictive.22:22
Venemoit was really nice of Nokia to send me a new device instead of the old faulty one22:23
VenemoSpeedEvil, is there any way to make Aegis let me run arbitrary binaries? on 39-5?22:23
Venemoor disabling Aegis without crapping the whole device?22:23
SpeedEvilNo idea, I have been mining asteroids non-stop for he last 38 hours.22:23
tommaeveryone stopped developing and hacking after GoF2 was available...22:24
SpeedEvilI haven't actually upgraded.22:24
SpeedEvilI've been - actually - doing ouside stuff as the weather is turning nasty.22:24
ieatlintmany of the dev days attendees got n9s, hah22:25
artemmaGalaxy on Fire on N950? You mean you downloaded deb from somewhere and installed it manually?22:26
tommabtw, landscape homescreen works fine with new firmware22:26
* artemma can't see any GoF by default22:26
SpeedEvilapt-get install gof222:26
tommaartemma, pkgmgr install -p gof222:26
ieatlinthas anyone else noticed that maps no longer works in landscape mode?22:27
artemmawhat's the diffeence between apt-get and pkgmgr?22:27
Venemotomma, by default? or you are referring to the redraw error?22:27
artemmalandscape homescreen? I can see only portrait one22:27
tommaVenemo, no redraw error22:27
Venemotomma, is it fixed now?22:27
Venemohow nice :)22:28
ieatlintoooh, i should enable that then22:28
tommaworks for me =)22:28
Venemotomma, how about landscape mode for facebook & twitter apps?22:28
tommai dont use them =)22:28
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macmaNlol gof222:33
DocScrutinizerVenemo: updating OTA aiui leaves you with a device that can't get reflashed. So any hack done to disable aegis, or run meegoCE, or whatever, will semi-brick your N950 as no way (for now) to go back to harmattan proper22:34
macmaNare there any good multiphone games out there?22:34
VenemoDocScrutinizer, wut?22:34
infobotsomebody said aiui was As I Understand It22:34
VenemoDocScrutinizer, so if I OTA, I won't be able to reflash?22:34
DocScrutinizeryes, for all I heard22:34
Venemowell, too late :( already started the update.22:35
ieatlintthe lock screen in 39-5 also shows basic music player controls when playing music22:35
DocScrutinizerwell, you *can* reflash - just it won't boot22:35
dm8tbryou can just help and use MeeGo CE aka Nemo if your harmattan craps out before OCF is out. :)22:37
ieatlintthat's normal, don't worry22:37
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: OTA updates are done via apt-get, so it's showing that22:38
SpeedEvilI'm sure it diddn't do that for me22:38
SpeedEvil(on beta2)22:38
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: you're still on beta1?22:38
DocScrutinizerI wonder if I could install a dpkg22:39
DocScrutinizerieatlint: thought as much22:42
DocScrutinizerjust that I don't want to update22:42
ieatlintyeah... well, give me a few and i'll see what i can do there ;)22:43
DocScrutinizerapt-get pin * ?22:43
ieatlintmore like grab the deb22:44
DocScrutinizeraah, much appreciated22:44
DocScrutinizerThe following packages will be REMOVED: mp-harmattan-rm680-pr << HAHA22:44
dm8tbrthat probably explains the long list of 'no longer needed'22:47
DocScrutinizerjust curious why the MP would get removed22:48
DocScrutinizerit's actually beyond my insight into apt why a package could get removed without me advising apt to do so. Replaced - yes. auto-removed - well ok, if I allow it. But outright removed? .oO(???)22:50
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DocScrutinizer(not that I ever really understood why we'd need any such metapackage at all)22:52
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: uploading now, is 119mb... will take 3-5min methinks22:54
ieatlinti've got debs to most of 39-5, heh22:55
ieatlintfor anyone interested, if you're in beta2, start the updater and let it download the pr1.1 update22:56
ieatlintthen go to /var/cache/apt/archive :P22:56
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ieatlintthen cancel the update if so desired22:56
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, apt-get install mp-harmattan-rm680-pr23:31
MohammadAGalso, I need my N950, I got a project idea23:32
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: eh?23:32
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> The following packages will be REMOVED: mp-harmattan-rm680-pr << HAHA23:32
DocScrutinizerhmm, and?23:32
matrixxhas anyone tried to read gconf with publish and subscribe?23:33
artemmamatrixx: I tried, failed to make it work23:33
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, just saying that should upgrade it well23:33
MohammadAGmatrixx, use qgconf23:33
artemmaGConfItem from Maemo works fine23:33
matrixxartemma: oh, me too23:33
DocScrutinizer[2011-10-24 21:42:24] <DocScrutinizer> just that I don't want to update23:33
MohammadAGa Qt wrapper for gconf23:33
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ah23:33
MohammadAGI swear I'm gonna.... swear at DHL if the N950 isn't in Jerusalem tomorrow23:34
matrixxMohammadAG: ok, thanks23:34
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matrixxis it a known problem that publish and subscribe has issues?23:34
* artemma fails to connect N950 PR 1.1 in a mass storage mode. QAD File Manager offers web access, but in PR 1.1 I can't log in into it. How to get my files? :)23:34
MohammadAGnot sure what publish and subscribe are23:34
MohammadAGwhy does it fail?23:35
matrixxqt mobility way to access valuespaces like gconf23:35
artemmaMohammadAG: I don't know, it just doesn't add a drive to system23:35
MohammadAGa umount /home/user/MyDocs might help23:35
artemmasomething is detected23:35
matrixxit shows it's connected but fails to print any values :/23:35
artemmahmm, maybe Nokia Link allows for file download23:35
* artemma went to try Nokia Link23:35
* artemma is trying to download screenshots for his new very cool (and this time free) app for ovi store submission23:37
DocScrutinizerburn in hell, aegis!
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artemmaok, device reboot helped, I can use N950 as mass storage again23:41
macmaN22-6? mkay.23:49
DocScrutinizermacmaN: yoh, probably the only N950 on this earth that still has proper develsh23:55
macmaNright right23:56
javispedrohey, mine does have an excellent develsh ;P23:56
DocScrutinizergof without joystick is impossible to handle for me23:57
javispedrowhat is gof?23:57
SpeedEvilYou need to work out a proper control position23:58
infobotfrom memory, gof is Erich Gamma, Richard Helm, Ralph Johnson and John Vlissides, also known as the "Gang of Four," authors of "Design Patterns"23:58
SpeedEvilI recommend in a comfy chair, with the device at ~45 degrees nominal.23:58
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