| ieatlint | ssh can be disabled by leaving developer mode, or typing "stop ssh" on the terminal | 00:00 |
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| ieatlint | (i believe you'd need to run "stop ssh" after each boot) | 00:00 |
| augustl | I mean developer mode in general. Once enabled, there's no turning back? | 00:00 |
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| ieatlint | uh, you can turn it off | 00:01 |
| ieatlint | never tried myself | 00:01 |
| ieatlint | but all it does is install some packages | 00:01 |
| augustl | I see | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | the major downside is in beta2 devel mode probably isn't what you expected it to be | 00:02 |
| augustl | aegis, right? | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that it was exactly my dream of a devel environment in beta1 | 00:03 |
| ieatlint | well he's on an n9, so he's on 34-1... dev mode functions the same as beta2 though | 00:03 |
| ieatlint | aegis is always on your device | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | augustl: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575 | 00:04 |
| ieatlint | what doc means is that *all* it does is install a terminal app, an sshd, and an "sdk connect" tool | 00:04 |
| messerting | Is there a shopping list app that I can synchronize with another phone for the Nokia N9? | 00:04 |
| ieatlint | it doesn't reduce security at all, allowing easier development | 00:04 |
| augustl | I hope someone makes a safe way of replacing the kernel with an aegis free one. A pretty, normal linux ftw. | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | augustl: there already is such a way, alas you lose harmattan OS ( or some limbs of it) on the way | 00:05 |
| augustl | DocScrutinizer: meego ce you mean? | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and since beta2+ there's not even a way back to normal, until Nokia maybe eventually publishes a OCF for it | 00:06 |
| augustl | :S | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | augustl: read the thread I linked | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | no I don't mean CE | 00:06 |
| augustl | hmm, I'll read that thread :) | 00:06 |
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| augustl | are there any news on updates for the n9 btw? Haven't seen any. | 00:08 |
| ieatlint | RST38h: what issue are you having? | 00:08 |
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| RST38h | ieatlint: Aegis rejecting fmsx_3.5.12-1_armel.deb: var/lib/dpkg/info/fmsx._aegis not installed by the package | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | always same issue: HARMATTEN | 00:08 |
| ieatlint | augustl: yeah, they're going to be offering an optional "upgrade" for the n9 to run windows phone 7, which will be available shortly after nokia world next week. near the end of the year, the "upgrade" will become non-optional | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is 99% == pAEGIS | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the issue | 00:09 |
| augustl | ieatlint: watwatwatwatwat?!? | 00:10 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: the package has been built with beta2 platform sdk, the same way I have always built it with beta1 platform sdk | 00:10 |
| augustl | non-optional upgrade?!? | 00:10 |
| augustl | I hope someone creates a workaround by then | 00:11 |
| ieatlint | RST38h: sounds like it's missing in a manifest | 00:11 |
| ieatlint | but dunno | 00:11 |
| ieatlint | augustl: you'll probably have to find a way to disable checking the nokia servers | 00:11 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: plat sdk generated manifests automatically | 00:11 |
| ieatlint | and do they not include the file? | 00:11 |
| augustl | ieatlint: where did you hear this from? | 00:12 |
| RST38h | sleep. | 00:12 |
| ieatlint | disgruntled nokia employees | 00:12 |
| ieatlint | they're not too pleased, but the decision was made from above | 00:13 |
| augustl | ieatlint: zomg | 00:13 |
| augustl | that's pretty crazy | 00:15 |
| augustl | windows phone 7 with the harmattan/swipe UI? Or just plain windows phone 7? | 00:15 |
| ieatlint | not sure about that, but i suspect whatever UI nokia will be releasing it with | 00:16 |
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| augustl | if that's true, I totally regret buying a n9 | 00:17 |
| messerting | augustl: you are trolling | 00:17 |
| messerting | augustl: sorry | 00:18 |
| augustl | messerting: no, I'm genuinely upset | 00:18 |
| ieatlint | just because someone says they bought an n9 doesn't mean they're a troll | 00:18 |
| messerting | augustl: sorry, wong name, I meant ieatlint " the "upgrade" will become non-optional" | 00:19 |
| augustl | messerting: do you have any sources indicating otherwise? I sure hope so :) | 00:19 |
| ieatlint | heh, wish i were... | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I first thought ieatlint is just kidding, but actually I start to doubt if it might be true (maybe even without him actually knowing) | 00:20 |
| messerting | they cannot send out an "non-optional" upgrade in the EU, that is taking away freedoms from the user | 00:20 |
| ieatlint | ah, maybe there was a misunderstanding on that point then | 00:21 |
| augustl | I just can't imagine they'll replace the entire swipe UI with something else. That would make no sense. So at least we'll get winmo with swipe... | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | messerting: they also can not stop support (e.g. SUPL, repos) without any notice, after as short as 18 months | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | still they do | 00:21 |
| messerting | Well, I was quite suprised that this aegis stuff was on my N9. Is it even compatible with GPL if I cannot disable it?? | 00:22 |
| kimju | well, n9 has omap3. is there any windows phones with ti chipset? so I don't believe there will even an optional update. and mandatory update is just impossible | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | messerting: sure :-/ | 00:23 |
| ieatlint | has nokia done their gpl code releases for this yet? | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | kimju: mandatory update is as possible as aegis having a timebomb anywhere is possible | 00:24 |
| messerting | DocScrutinizer: Sorry, can you clarify - MeeGo (or Maemo/Harmattan) is GPL, right? And is Aegis compatible, given it cannot be uninstalled? | 00:24 |
| ieatlint | meego is a name | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | GPL is not about uninstalling anything, right? | 00:25 |
| messerting | DocScrutinizer: GPL is about freedom for the user, installation on hardware is a core part. Right? | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | wrong | 00:25 |
| messerting | Here's the GPL quiz: http://www.gnu.org/cgi-bin/license-quiz.cgi | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | read all about security frameworks, and what they can get used for when implemented properly, at | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~aegis | 00:29 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 00:29 |
| messerting | Is this relevant?: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TwoPartyTivoization | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | the wiki link in there | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | and none of all that is in any way relevant or even related to GPL in any way whatsoever | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo/HARM has (and always had) blobs that are not related to GPL (e.g gfx/dsp driver) | 00:31 |
| messerting | DocScrutinizer: How can it not be relevant for GPL? I have purchased a phone with GPL on it, and I cannot modify the GPL parts of it because of Aegis. | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | and there can theoretically anything inside such a blob | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | the GPL only gives you access to GPL code, not the ability to modify the device | 00:32 |
| messerting | So, how do install my own kernel then? | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | GPL is not about modification of binaries on a particular machine. All I see when reading GPL is about *sourcecode* | 00:32 |
| ieatlint | and going to gnu.org for device is like asking rms | 00:33 |
| ieatlint | and that's never good advice :P | 00:33 |
| messerting | Hm, I might be thinking of GPL3. Is Harmattan GPL2? | 00:33 |
| ieatlint | neither version grants you rights to do anything with binaries | 00:33 |
| messerting | ieatlint: GPL3 has an requirement on Installation Information | 00:34 |
| ieatlint | aegis is also a kernel module, so it falls outside of the GPL (same way as say, nvidia kernel modules do) | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | aegis *is* GPL | 00:34 |
| messerting | DocScrutinizer: sure | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | just that doesn't help anything | 00:35 |
| ieatlint | oooh, i didn't know aegis was gpl | 00:35 |
| ieatlint | interesting | 00:35 |
| Lilltiger | ieatlint: that is not true either, the GPL wouldent allow for binary modules like the nvidia one | 00:35 |
| Lilltiger | but the kernel is LGPL | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, at least most parts of aegis are GPL afaik | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's NOT GPL is the root cert owned by Nokia | 00:36 |
| messerting | Well, will it be possible to *jailbreak* my GPL Linux phone in the future? (I though I'd never had to ask such an Apple-ish question!) | 00:37 |
| Lilltiger | messerting: you can already do that and install any linux you like | 00:37 |
| NIN101 | Lilltiger: the kernel is not LGPL. | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and NOLO will tear down TPM aka FritzChip when booting a kenel that'S not signed by Nokia root cert | 00:37 |
| messerting | Lilltiger: could you paste a link for a flasher? | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | see wiki | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | meggo wiki this time | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego even | 00:38 |
| messerting | Hm, that's nice, thanks! What are the downsides? | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can flash meegoCE right away, and thus permanently break your warranty and block any way back to harmattan | 00:39 |
| Sput | so, if one has done the FOTA upgrade to 1.1, and now can't log in to his Nokia account - what's the recommended way out of that? | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | you also can flash a pretty stock HARM kernel just built locally and thus without signature, and you will have a HARM system in "open mode" - again no way back atm | 00:40 |
| javispedro | Sput: the window! | 00:40 |
| javispedro | Sput: there's NO way as of now. | 00:41 |
| Sput | k | 00:41 |
| Sput | now I can't even install the shiny devdays app :/ | 00:41 |
| mgedmin | there's no one-click flasher for the N9? | 00:42 |
| javispedro | none | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool, isn't it? :-S | 00:43 |
| messerting | yeah, pretty cool... | 00:43 |
| Sput | also, my twitter client seems to have stopped working after the second reboot of the phone, can't log in anymore | 00:43 |
| Sput | and of course, the email client does no longer remember passwords | 00:43 |
| jabis | there is a flasher, but won't do any good without a signed fw (which are none out there) | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 00:43 |
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| javispedro | to complicate things, the MALF message on the N9 now says you should take the device to Nokia Care.. | 00:44 |
| messerting | I thought the N9 would be everything my N900 was, but with a better UI... Seems it so locked down, even the iFanBoys could love it (now I'm trolling...) | 00:44 |
| javispedro | http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/ -- the iFanBoys are loving it, so I guess that is the point. | 00:45 |
| messerting | ah, yes, read that one :) | 00:45 |
| jabis | after N8 I'm happy with N9, tho dev-wise not a breakthrough, but a breakdown on several factors | 00:46 |
| messerting | Anyways, anyone got Swype working on the n9? (I'm not talking about Swipe, it works, but the alternative input method swype) | 00:46 |
| messerting | Also, do you get calendar events showing on the homescreen? (or what is it called - eventscreen?) | 00:47 |
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| jabis | haven't gotten it to work (yet) still battling, like with rdesktop to accept the virtual keyboard -.- | 00:47 |
| messerting | I'm also struggling a bit with copy-paste in the email client | 00:48 |
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| messerting | How do I copy text from an email and paste it in an text message? | 00:50 |
| jabis | I got distracted over the fact that I need to "widen" an online shop api to work with DHL's PI tracking system | 00:51 |
| jabis | spoilt my weekend fun with N9 -.- | 00:51 |
| javispedro | I have to wonder what is the underlying cause for the "slopiness" regarding FIASCO and SDK releases these days. | 00:52 |
| javispedro | s/slopiness/slackness | 00:52 |
| jabis | sloppy or slack - still echoes the "I don't give a fuck"ness-factor | 00:53 |
| javispedro | on N900 the delays came on the PR side, the SDK and sources came even months before. | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: on fremantle there's been no big difference between developer system and sales version | 00:55 |
| javispedro | there where some, though. | 00:55 |
| jabis | I have a hunch that the N9 "experiment" is still undergoing some sort of scrutiny of them smaller bosses, the ones that decide whether it's best to give a minimal effort or to just bury the devs with new tasks regarding the official policy | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | some minor ones, but not like you had to fork out a devel branch weeks and months prior to shipping the SDK | 00:56 |
| javispedro | well I don't know the internal process, but I wouldn't say the differences between SDK and device are much larger on Harm.. | 00:57 |
| messerting | I find the N900 quite good still, and agree with http://peakmob.blogspot.com/2011/10/from-n900-to-n9-review.html that the N950 is superior to the N9. | 00:57 |
| messerting | Although I'm a bit negative here, I find the N9 very, very promising, and hope for great stuff in the time to come :) | 00:59 |
| rafael2k_ | people, is anyone working on porting fennec/firefox? | 00:59 |
| jabis | porting to what/where? | 00:59 |
| messerting | To me, it seems a bit "almost done"-ish. Some minor parts are missing. Same was with N900, but the first update was very good. | 01:00 |
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| jabis | well - I'll comment on that after the first fw update is announced and I've gotten the original fw from our b2b provider so there's no chance to brick my work phone -.- | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://peakmob.blogspot.com/2011/10/from-n900-to-n9-review.html what a fool, dark gray font on black - THANKS :-/ | 01:02 |
| messerting | DocScrutinizer: yes, it's like whispering ;) | 01:03 |
| messerting | Is it possible to change the browser's user-agent string? I don't like to be forced to use the mobile versions of web pages. | 01:04 |
| messerting | And - anyone know how to connect with msn (Microsoft messenger)? | 01:05 |
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| jabis | I thought messenger was dead x) | 01:08 |
| messerting | jabis: well, I would hope that too, but some of my friends can only be reached by that cra*p. | 01:11 |
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| * lardman is among those | 01:13 | |
| lardman | for his sins ;) | 01:14 |
| lardman | or rather because that's what his friends use | 01:14 |
| jabis | don't get me wrong - I have msn too - I've only set it up during '90s :D | 01:15 |
| messerting | Isn't the msn protocol open now? and called by another name? | 01:15 |
| macmaN | DocScrutinizer: yeah that kinda struck my eye as well | 01:16 |
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| lardman | macmaN: after reading that it reminds me that I keep trying to swipe applications away on my Android Galaxy Tab :) | 01:21 |
| macmaN | lardman: yep, same here | 01:22 |
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| Lilltiger | messerting: it might be possible throught google talk | 01:37 |
| messerting | Lilltiger: how? | 01:38 |
| Lilltiger | http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/general-other-im-news/33739-connect-google-talk-aim-msn-yahoo.html | 01:38 |
| Lilltiger | i havent tried it myself yet | 01:38 |
| messerting | hm, cool | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | messerting: macmaN: pro-tip ctrl-A | 01:45 |
| messerting | DocScrutinizer: ? | 01:45 |
| macmaN | lol | 01:45 |
| macmaN | good point | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | mark-all | 01:45 |
| macmaN | xcalib -invert probably works too | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori 95% left meego dpt. of Nokia :-/ So definitely it's a zombie project by now | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that this was any news | 01:48 |
| messerting | sorry, I don't follow :). I understand that ctrl-A is mark-all, but where? what was the context? | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-23 00:02:35] <DocScrutinizer> http://peakmob.blogspot.com/2011/10/from-n900-to-n9-review.html what a fool, dark gray font on black - THANKS :-/ | 01:48 |
| messerting | (it's gettin' late) | 01:48 |
| javispedro | yeah, as I was reading that part of konttori's blog post I could not avoid feeling gloomy.. | 01:48 |
| messerting | aha, I see :) | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup :-/ | 01:49 |
| javispedro | meanwhile, in a few minutes I've hacked some input method for harm using pocketsphinx xd | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT???? incredible | 01:49 |
| javispedro | now I can go showing around true state of the art voice recognition.... albeit with the spanish model it seems to produce words from /dev/random.. | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | works on paegis? | 01:50 |
| javispedro | yep | 01:50 |
| javispedro | with or without | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | FRIGGIN DAMN COOL SH*T! | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | now THIS might even make me reconsider my attitude towards the aegis coffin | 01:51 |
| jabis | javispedro you seem to be a loose cannon with aiming capabilities - kudos for your work | 01:51 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: downside is that I had to make some changes to PocketSphinx to use your favourite sound daemon. | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 01:53 |
| jabis | it would sound gay to say that "I've followed you around" but... at the forums X) | 01:53 |
| jabis | *meant @ javis | 01:54 |
| jabis | you almost have as cool name as I have ^^ | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'm already sold to the idea to wear N9(50) without ever touching it, UI based solely on voice input and tts | 01:54 |
| javispedro | hm | 01:55 |
| javispedro | this is dictation only | 01:55 |
| javispedro | control is way harder, I elaborated a bit on this a bit yesterday | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure I wouldn't use it for IRC, not this year at least | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | you would just need to inject kbd and ts events | 01:56 |
| javispedro | basically, I think QML apps don't bend themselves well neither to tts or recognition. a18y seems to be lacking.. | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | no? | 01:56 |
| javispedro | the problem is "knowing what is on the screen", semantically. | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I see | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | where's focus, so to say. | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | not only focus, but also all the other little details | 01:57 |
| javispedro | unless you are thinking "move mouse pointer two pixels down" | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe we need a combination of screenshot, pattern matching, and OCR to get this done | 01:58 |
| javispedro | lol | 01:58 |
| javispedro | I've heard that before | 01:58 |
| javispedro | for the "global copy & paste" idea | 01:58 |
| javispedro | ;P | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 01:59 |
| javispedro | should not be a surprise, the problem is the same | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually some c&p tools work that way, iirc mainly on windoze | 01:59 |
| javispedro | windoze, as crap as it is, does have good a18y stuff usually | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~a18y | 01:59 |
| javispedro | getting text from a window usually "works" | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict a18y | 02:00 |
| infobot | could not find definition for a18y | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | accessability? | 02:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer starts counting | 02:00 | |
| * javispedro hits head a few times | 02:00 | |
| javispedro | yes, accessibility. | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | well meanwhile maybe | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | with windows98 etc this wasn't exactly the case | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I recall tools that used the currently used font (somehow available info) to match it acainst screen to get ascii c&p | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | against* | 02:03 |
| javispedro | "One afternoon in the sixties one of the background shoes was slender for the afternoon externals on the internet around two plain windows | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, ablas espanol? | 02:04 |
| jabis | exactly the same shit flir, cifr and the likes do to the day ^^ | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess it will get better with a bit of training | 02:05 |
| jabis | only those are made for exactly the opposite - making accessible text pretty - not the other way around | 02:06 |
| javispedro | think I am going to upload at least the sphinx packages and see if someone does something cooler | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't it a pity that metawatch has no speaker and mic? | 02:07 |
| jabis | I like my overflowing pool of data without a voice, thanks x) | 02:07 |
| jabis | and my voice sounds like a dirty ole 60's gramps so no thank you to that either x) | 02:08 |
| javispedro | someone said my english has a new zealand accent | 02:09 |
| javispedro | I've never been to new zealand :( | 02:09 |
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| jabis | a stupid question but has anyone managed to get the virtual kbd to play nice with rdesktop around here? | 02:14 |
| javispedro | the virtual kb will only play nice with MTF or QML apps, shortly followed by Qt apps in second place. | 02:14 |
| jabis | that's what I thought *sigh* tho wrapping it to a Qt app shouldn't be much of a chore | 02:16 |
| javispedro | I dislike all of the reviews of the N9 so far, both the positive and negative ones. | 02:17 |
| jabis | what about them? | 02:17 |
| javispedro | people love to center the entire review on what is basically the launcher.. | 02:17 |
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| javispedro | some of the negative ones didn't even use a N9 (that one who misdescribed how unlocking the screen works? ...) | 02:19 |
| javispedro | on the positive ones, they mention "pervasive copy paste".... possibily didn't realize the browser doesn't do copy paste.. | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, all seem to be of astonishingly low insight | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/low/poor/. | 02:20 |
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| jabis | I've yet to read any (credible) reviews on my native tongue - and have had the equipment for a week ( a few weeks sick leave from work ) and the first thing I needed to do was getting browser certs working - blech | 02:21 |
| jabis | s/on/in/ | 02:22 |
| infobot | jabis meant: I've yet to read any (credible) reviews in my native tongue - and have had the equipment for a week ( a few weeks sick leave from work ) and the first thing I needed to do was getting browser certs working - blech | 02:22 |
| zogg_ | whois zx2c4 | 02:24 |
| zogg_ | !whois zx2c4 | 02:25 |
| zogg_ | what is the command of bot? | 02:25 |
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| jabis | $whois zx2c4 | 02:27 |
| ZogG-laptop | no found it | 02:27 |
| ZogG-laptop | ~zogg | 02:27 |
| infobot | from memory, zogg is not awesome at all | 02:27 |
| ZogG-laptop | ~jabis is awesome guy | 02:27 |
| infobot | okay, ZogG-laptop | 02:27 |
| jabis | and to your question - depends on the bot x) | 02:28 |
| ZogG-laptop | anyway enuf with spam | 02:28 |
| ZogG-laptop | jabis: it the same as at #maemo | 02:28 |
| ZogG-laptop | i just forgot howto =) | 02:28 |
| ZogG-laptop | now i need to go to sleep | 02:28 |
| * jabis force-sleeps ZogG | 02:30 | |
| jabis | don't get it the wrong way x) | 02:30 |
| * ZogG-laptop zzZZZZ | 02:30 | |
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| javispedro | engadget guys saying "there must be video in skype, because otherwise there won't be any app using the front camera"... | 02:38 |
| javispedro | well..... color me absolutely unsurprised. | 02:38 |
| jabis | I found it beculiar that no other app in ovi store uses front camera except Screenshot | 02:39 |
| javispedro | are you a newcomer? ;P | 02:39 |
| jabis | depends on what you mean x) | 02:41 |
| javispedro | virtually nothing on the n900 used the front camera until the second release will into the middle of its support life | 02:41 |
| javispedro | *well into | 02:41 |
| jabis | I've known there is one, and has been one and it has been marketed (poorly), but I was actually surprised no use case has came afloat | 02:42 |
| npm_ | is there a way to access the version string of an application from qml? | 02:42 |
| javispedro | version string from what? | 02:42 |
| npm_ | i guess from the .pro file | 02:43 |
| javispedro | that would be a surprise | 02:43 |
| npm_ | yeah just thought i'd ask | 02:43 |
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| javispedro | the problem is that there's no standard place where you actually define the application version string | 02:43 |
| npm_ | actually really the qtc_packaging/...changelog version | 02:43 |
| javispedro | basically, you build your own, be it a macro, or something similar... | 02:43 |
| npm_ | e.g. "voicetogoog (0.0.1) unstable; urgency=low" | 02:44 |
| npm_ | or subcomponents thereof | 02:44 |
| javispedro | that is just packaging | 02:44 |
| npm_ | yes, i'm getting to the final stretch, the blessed about diaglog | 02:44 |
| berndhs | the debian changelog version is about packaging, not really any application executable version | 02:45 |
| npm_ | i realize that, but i wanted to know if there was some magickal qt way of getting the packaging numbers over into qt | 02:45 |
| npm_ | e.g. so as to be able to print out an about dialog | 02:45 |
| npm_ | and not have to update it each version | 02:45 |
| berndhs | gerp, awk, sed, echo :) | 02:46 |
| berndhs | s/gerp/grep/ | 02:46 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: grep, awk, sed, echo :) | 02:46 |
| npm_ | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/9519 | 02:47 |
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| javispedro | I love how they are talking about a very concrete process that I could describe up to the "process X reads byte Y from file Z" level in a very abstract way | 02:51 |
| jabis | javis, have you got an N9 at hand? | 02:52 |
| javispedro | nope, but I have a N950. | 02:52 |
| jabis | I'd love to know what dependecies there are for retail N9, for rsync | 02:53 |
| javispedro | download this http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html | 02:54 |
| javispedro | if you are getting one, and you know what "dependencies" or "rsync" or "debian" means, scratchbox _should_ really be in your harddrive somewhere | 02:55 |
| javispedro | meanwhile, pocketsphinx packages for everyone -- http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/sphinx/ | 02:56 |
| jabis | javis, I already have one, but I have no dev-box at hand - I'd like to know what libs I need to get to install rsync on N9 retail, which is distinctly different from 950 | 02:58 |
| javispedro | I don't think it's distinctly different in this regard | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: will it "just install" and come with some kind of icon, GUI, etc? | 02:59 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that is pocketsphinx only | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 02:59 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: so it will come with the pocketsphinx_continuous cmd line applet and libraries | 02:59 |
| jabis | well - distinctly different comparing the fw's :) | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | no use to take it with me to my beer next pub then | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 03:00 |
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| jabis | and I cannot just hop to a beta/any firmware just to test | 03:01 |
| javispedro | jabis: I still don't think they are different in this regard. | 03:01 |
| javispedro | the set of packages that could even be remotely be dependencies of rsync is surely to be identical in both the n950 and n9. | 03:02 |
| ieatlint | looking at rsync on my desktop, ldd says it doesn't link against anything unusual | 03:04 |
| ieatlint | seems to require libpopt and nothing much more | 03:06 |
| ieatlint | and that's part of harmattan | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it links against same things on my laptop and my N900 | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ldd `which rsync` linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) libacl.so.1 => /lib/libacl.so.1 (0xb77c7000) libpopt.so.0 => /lib/libpopt.so.0 (0xb77bd000) libslp.so.1 => /usr/lib/libslp.so.1 (0xb77a4000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7639000) libattr.so.1 => /lib/libattr.so.1 (0xb7632000) libcrypto.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 (0xb74c0000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 ( | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0xb77f7000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb74bb000) libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0xb74a7000) | 03:08 |
| ieatlint | yours links against more than mine... mine is just linux-vdso, libacl, libpopt, libc and libattr (with libattr and libacl being optional even) | 03:09 |
| ieatlint | but everything mine links again has the same libs in harmattan | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, actually I had a mishap when checking on N900 | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ldd `which rsync` libacl.so.1 => /lib/libacl.so.1 (0x40030000) libpopt.so.0 => /lib/libpopt.so.0 (0x4003e000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x4004d000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4005f000) libattr.so.1 => /lib/libattr.so.1 (0x40184000) /lib/ld-linux.so.3 (0x40000000) | 03:11 |
| javispedro | which is why I've not produced an answer. | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, and cya guys 'n gals | 03:12 |
| javispedro | gnite | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, cheers | 03:12 |
| jabis | I can't figure out anything different from the sdk-environment than that of some lib missing which isn't then again reported when trying to install rsync | 03:13 |
| javispedro | ? | 03:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles yawns. | 03:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it Monday yet? | 03:13 |
| javispedro | noh. | 03:14 |
| ieatlint | anxious to go to dev days? | 03:14 |
| jabis | GA - ou've still a few hours | 03:14 |
| * GeneralAntilles dreams of weekends which are actually weekends. | 03:14 | |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, anxious for another day off. | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doing the Monday/Friday weekend here. | 03:15 |
| ieatlint | yeah, good luck :( | 03:15 |
| javispedro | ooooops | 03:15 |
| ieatlint | i spent the last 3 weeks working excessively to get a demo done | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds horrible. | 03:15 |
| * javispedro notices I've left dictation enabled on the notes app for the past hour | 03:16 | |
| ieatlint | and i get to work this weekend on it :( | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, clearly pastebin worthy. | 03:16 |
| javispedro | high quality spanish bullshit | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, well, clearly if you weren't so lazy and incompetent and had managed to finish the demo in the 3 weeks you had to work on it you wouldn't be working this weekend. | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Duh. :P | 03:16 |
| ieatlint | clearly :P | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, thankfully I haven't had any marathon months in a while. | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suspect Christmas is gonna suck this year, though. | 03:17 |
| javispedro | oh, it's going to suck. | 03:18 |
| ieatlint | yeah, well, as a nice top to it all, my employer informed me on thursday that they're relocating me for a 4 month contract, starting nov 7 | 03:18 |
| ieatlint | so uh... yeah ... good times. | 03:18 |
| jabis | ieatlint: hopefully you'll get compesated? -.- | 03:19 |
| dang_ | can i install swype on the n9 if i deinstalled it? im not finding it on ovi | 03:20 |
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| ieatlint | jabis: uh... no. they pay living expenses and i get a daily stipend, neither of which will compensate me being away from friends/family/electronic luxuries i own at my house for 4 months | 03:29 |
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| jabis | ieatlint: your employer is a dick x) | 03:42 |
| jabis | and you're a pussy - that makes for a perfect couple x) | 03:43 |
| mgedmin | oh, I thought I had rsync on my n9, but apparently not | 03:43 |
| * w00t had a month on-site placement late last year | 03:45 | |
| w00t | wasn't terrible in some ways | 03:45 |
| jabis | w00t: what did you do then? :) | 03:46 |
| w00t | jabis: in what sense? | 03:49 |
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| dang_ | hmm the caldav on the n9 doesnt get updates on new events in a calendar somehow | 03:57 |
| jabis | w00t: any | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's been one lame saturday night at pub :-| | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *burp* | 04:06 |
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| w00t | jabis: I went, as I was ok with the arrangements | 04:21 |
| npm | dumb question. will a harmattan app that only works in landscape mode (for now) be rejected from ovi store?? | 04:22 |
| w00t | being away from home was a bit tough, but seeing a new place was nice :) | 04:22 |
| npm | given language like "Graphics, animations, and text are clearly displayed both in landscape mode and in portrait mode." | 04:22 |
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| jabis | npm: was all the games disclosed from OVI store? :) | 04:49 |
| jabis | npm: landscape locking is not an automatic discard :) | 04:51 |
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| npm | jabis: that's good to know (landscape/portrait is a feature i'll implement in future version one i get my app out and validated) | 05:36 |
| * npm finally sees "Notes1: If the content item is using only one UI mode, only execute the steps with the supported UI mode." | 05:42 | |
| npm | for "Content item using input fields must provide a virtual keyboard in different UI modes (portrait / landscape)." | 05:43 |
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| JackaLX | Hey folks! Was just wondering if there was a reason why the PulseAudio tcp module (module-native-protocol-tcp.so) isn't present on my N9? And if there aren't any real reasons, does anyone know where I can get that module (sorry, I can't compile it myself I don't have the right tools avail atm) | 09:42 |
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| faenil | I'm in Muniiiich :D | 10:06 |
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| faenil | I'm dead tired.. :( | 10:13 |
| gri | understandable | 10:14 |
| gri | was the train right in time at muc? | 10:14 |
| faenil | 1 hour late | 10:14 |
| gri | and now you're in the youth hostel or some starbucks? :) | 10:15 |
| faenil | youth hostel heehhe :D | 10:16 |
| faenil | Could not sleep on the train...I'm a freaking zombie... | 10:16 |
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| faenil | so tired, and can't use the bedroom before 2 :( | 10:16 |
| gri | whoa, this is bad | 10:17 |
| faenil | yup... | 10:17 |
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| faenil | I would have been coding now, if I had the chance to sleep... | 10:21 |
| faenil | I'm not able to do anything instead... | 10:21 |
| faenil | had had* | 10:21 |
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| gri | I would offer you a place to sleep for a while but I won't make it to muc before 13:00 I think :/ | 10:24 |
| faenil | don't worry ;) thanks anyway :) | 10:25 |
| faenil | let me know if you are having lunch there or in Munich ;) | 10:26 |
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| pinheiro | guys what is the develper user name for ssh? | 12:41 |
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| tomma | developer? | 12:42 |
| pinheiro | humm root used to work | 12:44 |
| pinheiro | ooo well | 12:44 |
| tomma | root login is disabled | 12:44 |
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| pinheiro | :) thanks tomma | 12:45 |
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| faenil | back :D | 13:50 |
| faenil | visited Munich's centre :D | 13:50 |
| djszapi | lol | 13:52 |
| faenil | :D | 13:52 |
| faenil | had a little tourists' map | 13:52 |
| faenil | and visited all main points in the city centre :D | 13:52 |
| faenil | lol | 13:54 |
| djszapi | already drunk ? | 13:54 |
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| faenil | lol | 13:55 |
| faenil | no :D | 13:55 |
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| faenil | getting drunk alone would be weird xD | 13:55 |
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| djszapi | hi wazd :) | 13:59 |
| wazd | djszapi: heya :) | 13:59 |
| wazd | djszapi: how's your trip? :) | 13:59 |
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| faenil | wazd: busy it seems xD | 14:02 |
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| Lilltiger | wazd: How does MeeCast determain if it's night or day, beacuse I get the night icon for todays weather while it's 13:11 here so should be the day icon. | 14:13 |
| wazd | Lilltiger: we're still tweaking the algorythm, sorry for that :) | 14:14 |
| Lilltiger | wazd: ahh ok, just wanted to know if you where aware of the issue. It's great looking, is it possible to replace accuweather with it on the social feed screen of the N9? | 14:15 |
| wazd | Lilltiger: yes, it's in testing right now, will be available asap | 14:16 |
| wazd | Lilltiger: But you'll have to uninstall the AccuWeather app :( | 14:16 |
| Lilltiger | wazd: ohh noticed that it's not only day/night the whole prognosis is wrong :p (from yr.no atleast) | 14:17 |
| Lilltiger | dosent match what thire site says | 14:17 |
| neal | wazd: How does MeeCast determine when to update the weather? | 14:17 |
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| neal | waz: i.e., when to download updates | 14:17 |
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| wazd | neal: we don't have an autoupdate option yet, but we're hardly working on it cause it really suck without it :P | 14:19 |
| neal | wazd: Do you know about Woodchuck? | 14:19 |
| wazd | nope | 14:19 |
| neal | wazd: It's a data transfer scheduler | 14:19 |
| neal | wazd: The application registers with the Woodchuck daemon | 14:20 |
| wazd | Lilltiger: hmm, that's strange | 14:20 |
| neal | wazd: And Woodchuck starts it when it is a good time to perform an update | 14:20 |
| wazd | neal: interresting, we'll look into it, thanks! :) | 14:20 |
| neal | wazd: http://hssl.cs.jhu.edu/~neal/woodchuck/doc/howto/ | 14:21 |
| tomma | wazd, what is "Update interval" and "Auto-update on connection" for then= | 14:21 |
| tomma | ? | 14:21 |
| neal | wazd: gPodder, FeedingIt and Khweeteur use it, for example. | 14:21 |
| djszapi | wazd everything is alright'ish :) Bit hang-over :p | 14:21 |
| Lilltiger | wazd: hmm, i guess it's shows the corret weather fo night time fom yr.no it seems, so maybe it's just the time that it gets wrong and there for the wrong icon and weather | 14:22 |
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| lilltiger_ | irssi on my n9 how nerdy am i! | 14:26 |
| djszapi | not really because you run X :) | 14:27 |
| lilltiger_ | run X? | 14:28 |
| djszapi | geek phones do not have Ui come on :) | 14:28 |
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| lilltiger_ | ahh true | 14:28 |
| lilltiger_ | also i run wincrap on my workstation now | 14:28 |
| lilltiger_ | stupid games | 14:29 |
| djszapi | why not Gluon ? | 14:29 |
| djszapi | that is cross-platform :p | 14:29 |
| djszapi | free, open and everything :) | 14:29 |
| wazd | neal: wait a second, looks like you have newer version than I do :D | 14:30 |
| faenil | djszapi: because gluon is not 3D ? :D | 14:31 |
| Lilltiger | i am in windows to play game like Deus EX and Two Worlds 2, went back from linux (10years in linux) just to play The Withcher 2, but that gane was horribad :( | 14:31 |
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| djszapi | faenil: well, you can contribute anytime | 14:32 |
| djszapi | the architecture does support 3d. | 14:32 |
| faenil | djszapi: :) | 14:32 |
| neal | wazd: The support is relatively new. The patches are all in upstream repositories, though. | 14:32 |
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| djszapi | faenil: you know, building a community around it is definitely a plan to eliminate this awkward windows gaming feelings :) | 14:33 |
| faenil | djszapi: I don't think that has anything to do actually... | 14:34 |
| faenil | djszapi: people want windows to use existing games which are only for windows | 14:34 |
| faenil | how can Gluon help that? | 14:34 |
| faenil | unless you're talking about a future in which software houses will use Gluon to make cross platform games | 14:35 |
| djszapi | faenil: tell me other Qt ecosystem for game creation on non-windows | 14:35 |
| djszapi | ofc that is the plan. | 14:35 |
| djszapi | Rovio was already considering and other game development companies | 14:35 |
| djszapi | default game centre in intel appup and the like :) | 14:35 |
| djszapi | probably in PA, too. | 14:36 |
| faenil | :) | 14:36 |
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| djszapi | we would not really like to go back where we were 20 years ago | 14:36 |
| djszapi | with html5 and flash, and webgl ... | 14:36 |
| faenil | lol :D | 14:36 |
| faenil | concerning webgl | 14:37 |
| faenil | have you tried the new nokia maps with WebGL? | 14:37 |
| djszapi | flash is not concernable object here for games sorry :) | 14:38 |
| faenil | works much better than the previous version | 14:38 |
| djszapi | not even html or webgl, really sorry :) | 14:38 |
| faenil | who told it is :D | 14:38 |
| npm | may i ask stupid question: does the ovi store have any stupid requirements like intel appup where you have to place your your app w/ special stupid name /opt/<org>.<company>.<appname>/... | 14:41 |
| djszapi | faenil: I will demo html5 games on PA though at our booth :p | 14:41 |
| djszapi | hopefully Angry Birds lol | 14:41 |
| npm | or can i just use /opt/<appname>/ | 14:41 |
| faenil | djszapi: ahahah work is work :D | 14:41 |
| djszapi | in a qtwebkit powered browser on this ExoPC | 14:41 |
| djszapi | so it is kinda Tizen compliant | 14:42 |
| djszapi | to show up, qtwebkit can deal with html5 ... | 14:42 |
| djszapi | and well, people like ab :) | 14:42 |
| faenil | ab? | 14:42 |
| npm | djszapi: http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/ is tizen compliant! | 14:42 |
| djszapi | faenil: Angry Birds | 14:43 |
| faenil | oh k | 14:43 |
| djszapi | npm: I can trust you :) | 14:43 |
| npm | well anything is compliant with vapor | 14:44 |
| djszapi | faenil: we will have a weird T-Shirt that me and my friend did :) | 14:44 |
| faenil | djszapi: ahahaha looking forward to seeing it :P | 14:45 |
| djszapi | faenil: I am now wearing our Gluon T-Shirt :) | 14:45 |
| faenil | I want one too! | 14:46 |
| faenil | xD | 14:46 |
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| faenil | I want all the nerd TShirts that I'll see in this event, lol | 14:46 |
| djszapi | faenil: damn..if you say it eaerlier... we have 200 shirts in UK... | 14:46 |
| faenil | djszapi: if you said that you had gluon tshirts earlier xD | 14:46 |
| djszapi | one person of the team brought some for this event. | 14:46 |
| faenil | let's hope there will be spare ones :D | 14:47 |
| djszapi | http://www.flickr.com/photos/49031477@N00/6053144790/ | 14:47 |
| djszapi | it is not me, but that is our shirt :) | 14:47 |
| djszapi | http://leinir.dk/gluon/t-shirts/gdce-1.png | 14:48 |
| djszapi | * http://leinir.dk/gluon/t-shirts/gdce-3.png | 14:48 |
| npm | so many shirts, someone needs to start a unix-beard modelling agency... | 14:48 |
| faenil | ahah :D | 14:48 |
| djszapi | faenil: also, we will get Qt Ambassador shirts at the embassy meetup :p | 14:49 |
| faenil | ehehehehe | 14:49 |
| faenil | well I hope I'll get mine some day, don't want that one now :P | 14:49 |
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| djszapi | faenil: you see, many advantages about contributing to Gluon ... :p | 14:50 |
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| faenil | like, TShirts? XD | 14:51 |
| cityLights | emmm.... any news on where to buy a N9 ? | 14:51 |
| djszapi | faenil: more to the point, to have an open and free ecosystem for developing and distributing cross-platform games. | 14:51 |
| faenil | djszapi: ;) | 14:52 |
| djszapi | faenil: brought your bike ? | 14:53 |
| faenil | djszapi: nope, it required additional cost | 14:53 |
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| faenil | is there anybody here who uses Qt for Android and has a good knowledge of its current status? | 14:58 |
| faenil | I'd like to know if one thing is doable | 14:58 |
| djszapi | ask tomorrow at the unconference day ... | 14:58 |
| faenil | sure :D | 14:59 |
| djszapi | BogDan will not be there though. Also, subscribe for the necessites mailing list and ask .. | 14:59 |
| djszapi | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/necessitas-devel | 14:59 |
| faenil | djszapi: I want to know if it's doable before getting info and subscribing to lists :D or I'll end up having emails I won't read :) | 14:59 |
| djszapi | you can filter, and even unsubscribe. | 15:00 |
| faenil | yeah I know :P | 15:02 |
| djszapi | ohh so you just like arguing :p | 15:02 |
| faenil | ahahah lol, no way :D | 15:03 |
| djszapi | faenil: I will be going to the multithread training on Monday | 15:04 |
| djszapi | no care about Ui trainings here, and most of them are ui related. | 15:04 |
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| djszapi | that is my plan, multithread training + unconference day | 15:04 |
| faenil | I see...I need to follow training, but the multithread is interesting too :) | 15:04 |
| faenil | let me check the agenda | 15:04 |
| djszapi | well, do not mis-read it, unconference day means no plans | 15:05 |
| djszapi | but we will be there, and put an agenda together with relevant slots | 15:05 |
| djszapi | so it is not really like a conference day, more like a qt contributor summit day | 15:05 |
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| faenil | I know ;) | 15:06 |
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| faenil | but the multithreading training is part of a track, right? | 15:06 |
| faenil | advanced qt | 15:06 |
| djszapi | yes, that is the only topic I am interested in for now in comparison with Qt Contributor Day. | 15:06 |
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| faenil | and I can't join :( | 15:06 |
| djszapi | oh ? | 15:07 |
| faenil | weren't you asked to choose a path for the first day? I was | 15:07 |
| faenil | and advanced qt was alread FULL | 15:07 |
| faenil | so I had to choose one of the remaining options | 15:07 |
| djszapi | I have no clue what I choose. | 15:07 |
| djszapi | chose* | 15:07 |
| faenil | and chose Programming with Qt Quick | 15:07 |
| djszapi | anyways, nobody will check it imho | 15:08 |
| faenil | it should be in your registration email | 15:08 |
| faenil | if I'm not wrong | 15:08 |
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| djszapi | or well, actually I think it will be checked. | 15:08 |
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| faenil | :) | 15:08 |
| gri | wohoo, found a network cable! :) | 15:08 |
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| djszapi | faenil: hehe, I chose Advanced Qt. | 15:09 |
| faenil | djszapi: :P | 15:09 |
| * gri also took advanced qt, all others sounded boring | 15:10 | |
| faenil | my Developer Outreach Manager gave me the voucher really late | 15:10 |
| faenil | if only I could choose that..-.- | 15:10 |
| djszapi | faenil: well, it is not a big lost anyways since the videos will probably be published | 15:10 |
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| djszapi | do not cry pls :D :D | 15:10 |
| faenil | djszapi : sure ;) don't worry :P | 15:10 |
| faenil | gri: found the cable? | 15:11 |
| gri | yes, looked in all cupboards of my brother's flat and found one that was supplied with his router | 15:12 |
| faenil | eheheh | 15:12 |
| faenil | great | 15:12 |
| gri | since he seems to have changed the wlan key | 15:12 |
| gri | faenil: so you already did a big walk? | 15:16 |
| faenil | gri: yup...was falling asleep, and I was not allowed to, on the couch in the hall | 15:17 |
| faenil | so I went out... | 15:17 |
| faenil | and the cold did the rest | 15:17 |
| faenil | :) | 15:17 |
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| gri | so you got your room now? | 15:18 |
| faenil | not yet, but I can get it now, yes | 15:18 |
| faenil | I'm still in one of the shared rooms :) | 15:18 |
| gri | do they have wlan in the rooms or only lobby? | 15:20 |
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| faenil | gri: no idea | 15:24 |
| faenil | gri: haven't been in the room yet | 15:24 |
| faenil | going to check in now... if I won't be back soon, it means there's no wifi there xD | 15:26 |
| gri | :D | 15:26 |
| faenil | or I have fallen asleep as soon as I have touched the bed, lol | 15:27 |
| faenil | which is as likely xD | 15:27 |
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| jpnurmi | hmm, is there any way to have a custom IM toolbar for a TextField component in QML? | 15:34 |
| Venemo | jpnurmi, what do you mean by "custom IM toolbar"? | 15:35 |
| jpnurmi | i cannot see any way to override inputMethodQuery() to be able to return the toolbar id | 15:35 |
| jpnurmi | Venemo: for example the terminal application provides a custom input method toolbar | 15:35 |
| Venemo | jpnurmi, there is an example for a "Custom VKB" in one of the example applications | 15:36 |
| jpnurmi | i don't want to implement the whole vkb. just to provide a couple of buttons that should be placed in the toolbar :) | 15:37 |
| jpnurmi | that "custom vkb" replaces the whole sip, doesn't it? | 15:37 |
| Venemo | dunno. | 15:38 |
| jpnurmi | seems so. lovely red and blue custom vkb's in the example :) | 15:38 |
| Venemo | well, check the source of meego-terminal | 15:39 |
| Venemo | maybe it will give you a clue | 15:39 |
| jpnurmi | i did. the problem is that there is no way to do that in QML | 15:39 |
| jpnurmi | i cannot override QGraphicsItem::inputMethodQuery() as i said :) | 15:39 |
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| Venemo | hmmm | 15:40 |
| jpnurmi | one is supposed to register the toolbar layout (an xml file) by MInputMethodState::registerAttributeExtension(), and then return the corresponding id for inputMethodQuery(M::InputMethodAttributeExtensionIdQuery) | 15:40 |
| Venemo | jpnurmi, I don't have enough expertise to answer this, but you could try asking achipa or villev | 15:41 |
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| faenil | back xD | 15:47 |
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| faenil | gri: wifi in bedroooms xD | 15:50 |
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| gri | faenil: wow, this is uncommon - the youth hostels where I was never had wlan on the rooms :) | 15:51 |
| faenil | this hostel rocks :P | 15:53 |
| faenil | 11€ and has everything :D | 15:53 |
| faenil | it's very nice too :) | 15:53 |
| gri | sounds good | 15:53 |
| faenil | but... | 15:53 |
| faenil | I had to buy a padlock xD | 15:53 |
| * gri sits in the freezing cold since my brother left the windows open for one week ... | 15:54 | |
| faenil | ahahahha | 15:55 |
| faenil | very warm in here :P | 15:55 |
| gri | very cool since I was lazy and left most of my things in the car | 15:57 |
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| faenil | gri: lol | 15:58 |
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| faenil | gri: so, have you got any plan? | 16:06 |
| gri | not really | 16:06 |
| gri | it's 30 minutes walking from here to your location (without using public transport) | 16:06 |
| faenil | :) | 16:06 |
| faenil | I need some sleep... | 16:06 |
| gri | then get some :) | 16:07 |
| faenil | we can meet when I wake up if that's ok to you :) | 16:07 |
| gri | I have ps3, laptop etc. here so it won't get boring while you sleep | 16:07 |
| faenil | eheheh :D | 16:07 |
| faenil | ok, I'll be back in chat when I'm awake then, ok? ;) | 16:08 |
| gri | ok | 16:08 |
| faenil | cya :) | 16:08 |
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| artemma | I am trying to create a fullscreen Page (later I want add tools floating into the Page similar to Harmattan's Gallery app), yet somehow I cannot get rid of the tools rect :) | 17:03 |
| jpnurmi | artemma: hi :) you could use PageStackWindow.showToolBar | 17:10 |
| artemma | I just figured that was due to yet another fix for making Symbian and Harmattan comps be alike :) | 17:11 |
| jpnurmi | Page.tools is merely toolbar content, not the toolbar itself | 17:11 |
| artemma | Desktop/Symbian version was forcing pageStack to be a smaller size so that toolbar would fit | 17:11 |
| artemma | Thing is most of my pages should actually have a toolbar (and page should have a little less space for itself), but one page is full screen | 17:12 |
| artemma | with the toolbar popping in-out on tap like in Gallery | 17:12 |
| artemma | BTW, Window doesn't have any showToolBar, that's yet another "small difference between Symbian and Harmattan" components :) | 17:13 |
| jpnurmi | that's what you get when you don't have a shared code base... :p | 17:14 |
| artemma | did I hear that is what you get when you want to use Qt for cross-platform apps? :) | 17:15 |
| artemma | well, actually it's not that bad. Most of the time I am able to isolate platform specifics just fine. This time I forgot what was where | 17:16 |
| artemma | what's a real pity is that [to my understanding] there's no good official example on how to create a nice app that will work fine platforms with different set of components available. | 17:17 |
| artemma | looks totally like Symbian and Harmattan components were developed in isolation with ppl meeting only for negotiating about common API maybe | 17:17 |
| javispedro | Qt and QtQuick have little in common.. | 17:18 |
| javispedro | plain Qt was way more "crossplatform" | 17:18 |
| javispedro | well, I used the bad word, cause Qt Quick is also übercrossplatform as long asyou dont' want to look or feel native | 17:19 |
| jpnurmi | http://achipa.blogspot.com/2011/07/qt-components-story-of-ugly-qwidgetling.html | 17:20 |
| artemma | I don't buy Attila's view on that | 17:22 |
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| artemma | thing is you guys actually managed to make components almost good for being well reusable on many platforms | 17:23 |
| artemma | that is way the small nagging differences are so painful | 17:23 |
| artemma | and no #ifdef-like stuff to save me | 17:23 |
| artemma | *that is why* | 17:23 |
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| * javispedro sighs and suggests looking at WebOS' Enyo. | 17:25 | |
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| artemma | Hei, is QML Image always positioning the loaded image centered in the available space? | 17:41 |
| * artemma was writing code to center what he assumed to top-left positioned, but.. experiments seem to show everything's already centered | 17:42 | |
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| M4rtinK | artemma: doesn't it depend on how are its anchors set ? | 17:53 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: doesn't seem so | 17:53 |
| * artemma is now playing with rotation. Amazingly Image rotates hell knows around what despite transformOrigin set to Item.Center | 17:54 | |
| artemma | oh, it rotates around Item.Right, funny | 17:55 |
| M4rtinK | weird - well, good to know there might be issues | 17:55 |
| M4rtinK | might as well run into it with my manga/comic book viewer :) | 17:56 |
| artemma | well, it maybe somehow related to that I am trying to rotate a resized image. Maybe it tries to rotate around original center that just happens to be close to Item.Right of the resized image | 17:57 |
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| artemma | that is maybe rotation happens before resizing | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe anchor doesn't move on resizing | 17:59 |
| artemma | I removed anchors for now | 17:59 |
| artemma | It looks like the key is the way how I resize it. Just setting width/height resizes using top-left as the origin | 17:59 |
| artemma | if I want center to stay center, I probably need to go for Scale | 18:00 |
| artemma | element | 18:00 |
| artemma | hopefully I manage to do it precise enough not to have ugly rounding pixels at the edges | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds all like real fun | 18:01 |
| artemma | Though actually automatic image resizing could take transformOrigin into account | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | resp poor documetation | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-22 16:20:49] <javispedro> when nothing in the documentation makes sense, it's time to drill into the source. | 18:04 |
| artemma | well, maybe just transform property would be good enough. There I can use Rotation and specify the rotation origin precisely | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know the documentation is crap - when you can't tell if a behaviour is a normal feature or rather a bug | 18:06 |
| artemma | yep, Rotation with origin set worked fine | 18:06 |
| * artemma now tried to combine several rotation-resizing effects he needs. Let's see how it works | 18:07 | |
| artemma | oh no.. it first rotates and then resizes to width/height.. Back to the drawing board | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | back to the editor for writing better docs that clearly state this fact | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | a toolkit is just as useful as the docs that it ships with | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's why so many ultra-comprehensive toolkits/libs are useless when it comes to real work getting done with them. They just look fine for the absolute middle-of-the-road hello world usecase | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | while, when getting your hands dirty to the elbows with stuff like "this borderline should be a pixel stronger" / "how would we rotate that text 80°?" etc you will soon come to the notion you better used a low level toolkit rather than this ultra-mighty stuff that has a non-customizable template for everything | 18:16 |
| * javispedro lols at http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html | 18:17 | |
| berndhs | indeed, in many (most?) bug tracking systems, the reporter can't tell if anyone is reading the report | 18:19 |
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| javispedro | it does remind me of the Fixed In Fremantle stories.. | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: priceless | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, exactly what happened to my bugs reported against KDE3 | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: s/fremantle/meego/ | 18:21 |
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| * DocScrutinizer pondered 2 minutes whether to place the bookmark to CADT under "Media -> fun-bits" or under "tecdoc" | 18:24 | |
| * DocScrutinizer finally decided that'S no fun at all | 18:24 | |
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| berndhs | of course, redesign from scratch is always better, as seen in the only operational human space flight program today :) | 18:27 |
| javispedro | ah, we do have one of those? | 18:27 |
| javispedro | ;P | 18:27 |
| berndhs | well, "we" in the broader sense of humanity do | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | holidays over, time to start swearing at DHL | 18:28 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: still waiting for the N950? | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, yep | 18:28 |
| javispedro | at least they confirmed they have sent you one? | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, Nokia sent it | 18:28 |
| javispedro | I mean, all these talk about not even having spares.. | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | it's israel that's screwing me over | 18:28 |
| berndhs | MohammadAG: maybe you should have walked to Finland, could have been faster in the end | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | they sent it on Oct 7 | 18:29 |
| javispedro | hey, don't complain | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | berndhs, crawled is a better word | 18:29 |
| javispedro | the current estimate for getting back my VGA card is 2 months | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, with express shipping? | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A | 18:29 |
| javispedro | lol | 18:30 |
| RST38h | mooo gentlemen | 18:30 |
| javispedro | moo RST38h | 18:30 |
| MohammadAG | 3 days to travel across continents | 18:30 |
| RST38h | javispedro: wannarotfl? | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | two weeks and it still hasn't crossed 100km in one damn country | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | 70 to be exact | 18:31 |
| javispedro | RST38h: shoot | 18:31 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Are theystill determining the correct amount of bribe? | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, no, they're measuring the radius of the explosion it'd cause if it overheats again | 18:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro: the beta2 platform sdk produces packages that post-beta2 firmwarecannotinstall | 18:32 |
| javispedro | why????????????????????? | 18:33 |
| RST38h | Aegis rejecting fmsx_3.5.12-1_armel.deb: var/lib/dpkg/info/fmsx._aegis not installed by the package | 18:33 |
| RST38h | aegis aborting dpkg -- all listed package files rejected | 18:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro: see above | 18:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I have not been able to find any *._aegis files in the file system. So, it is some kind of a fuckup | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | yay | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | I'm on hold | 18:34 |
| javispedro | RST38h: are you upgrading the package? Maybe you need to purge it beforehand? | 18:36 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I will try | 18:36 |
| javispedro | From what I read here seems that beta3 is kinda fsckd-up. | 18:36 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I have found no Skype UI there, which is weird | 18:37 |
| macmaN | yep there isnt | 18:37 |
| macmaN | where is it huh? | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | "The fastest shipping service" <- lmao | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, do you want a skype UI? | 18:38 |
| * RST38h bows to MohammadAG | 18:38 | |
| * MohammadAG bows to N9s on RDA | 18:39 | |
| * javispedro bows to..... | 18:39 | |
| * RST38h bows to the Tentacled One for it is all His plan | 18:39 | |
| RST38h | javispedro: nah, purging then installing from scratch ends up with the same message | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | what about purging aegis and attempting to install | 18:40 |
| javispedro | push the binary package somewhere | 18:40 |
| javispedro | well | 18:41 |
| RST38h | want to do a diff? a moment | 18:41 |
| javispedro | either way, I don't have beta3 so no idea. | 18:41 |
| javispedro | oh, I just got scared for a moment, thought Gentoo was pushing Gnome3 to me, but it's just another 2.x release. | 18:42 |
| * RST38h gets scared at the mention of Gentoo | 18:42 | |
| MohammadAG | he said your package will be delivered tomorrow | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | then he said please hold | 18:43 |
| macmaN | RST38h: gentoo rox :> | 18:43 |
| * MohammadAG wonders | 18:43 | |
| RST38h | javispedro: both fmsx packages at http://fms.komkon.org/EmuMeego | 18:43 |
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| javispedro | fails to install on beta2 too | 18:44 |
| RST38h | javispedro: so, it looks like a beta2 sdk issue | 18:45 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: (yes, I installed it from scratch) | 18:45 |
| javispedro | it works on aegis-less | 18:45 |
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| RST38h | yea, I know it is an aegis manifest related fuckup | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | what isn't these days | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | the US economy fuckups are related to aegis | 18:46 |
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| javispedro | the problem seems to be that the package includes the hash for the manifest but there's no manifest | 18:46 |
| javispedro | so yeah, toolchain fsck up.. | 18:46 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Combat_System | 18:46 |
| javispedro | something's weird, Aegis-Manifest: included | 18:47 |
| javispedro | RST38h: are you doing anything related to aegis in the debian/rules file? | 18:48 |
| RST38h | javispedro: No.my rules file just calls dh. | 18:48 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I also tried a more complex rules file generated by create-project script, but no doughnut there either | 18:49 |
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| javispedro | no idea at this point, but it "should not happen" (TM), I've been packaging aegis manifest less packages for a while using the beta2 sdk | 18:50 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: (also see Zipang the anime for military-geek-fappable Aegis depiction) | 18:50 |
| javispedro | (latest one was pocketsphinx..) | 18:50 |
| RST38h | javispedro: still happens somehow | 18:50 |
| javispedro | RST38h: export DH_VERBOSE=1 on rules and see if you get any hint..... | 18:52 |
| RST38h | aha | 18:52 |
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| javispedro | the file technically "exists" by the time it gets hashed, but it either doesn't get packaged or gets deleted.. | 18:53 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: looks like the pre-beta2 sdk simply set aegis manifest to "empty" in control | 19:08 |
| RST38h | javispedro: the beta2 sdk tries including the aegis manifest and screws up | 19:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro: the manifest is actually present if you ar -tvf package.deb - it is there at the top level | 19:09 |
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| javispedro | what. the. hell. | 19:10 |
| RST38h | javispedro: ar -xvf both debs into separate directories, then tar -xvzf their control/data parts there | 19:11 |
| javispedro | yes, I was reading the autogenerated manifest. | 19:11 |
| RST38h | javispedro then run diff between two directories | 19:11 |
| * RST38h can try forcing Android-Manifest: empty in the control file | 19:11 | |
| javispedro | the fun thing is that according to that your package should no longer be manifest-free. | 19:12 |
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| faenil | heyaaa | 19:51 |
| faenil | gri: slept little and bad, but here I am xD | 19:52 |
| gri | faenil: atleast it was warm ... here it's still freezing cold even though all radiators are running | 19:52 |
| faenil | gri: ehehhe yeah it's warm at least :) | 19:53 |
| gri | I saw there is a bar inside your hostel :) | 19:54 |
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| faenil | yes a nice one :) | 19:54 |
| faenil | did you walk into my bedroom? lol | 19:55 |
| gri | no, on the website | 19:55 |
| gri | I just walked to my car to get a pullover since I only had a shirt before | 19:55 |
| faenil | oh ok xD | 19:55 |
| faenil | eh I bet you're cold... | 19:56 |
| gri | so is your room crowded? | 19:57 |
| faenil | yeah but nice people :) | 19:58 |
| faenil | I was woken up hundred of times | 19:58 |
| faenil | but they tried to be quiet | 19:58 |
| faenil | and move as few things as possible :) | 19:58 |
| gri | sounds nice indeed | 19:59 |
| faenil | yeah :) | 19:59 |
| faenil | freaking headache...argh... | 19:59 |
| gri | you have aspirin with you? | 20:00 |
| faenil | ofc not... | 20:00 |
| faenil | but that's just coz I'm tired.. | 20:00 |
| faenil | no big issue ;) | 20:00 |
| gri | well, I got tablets for headache but I won't take pills from other people :P | 20:00 |
| gri | wouldn't* | 20:00 |
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| faenil | ahahah no don't bother ;) | 20:01 |
| gri | "oh sorry, this was dope not aspirin" :D | 20:01 |
| faenil | lol | 20:01 |
| javispedro | I was going to say "oh, it's funny, I didn't receive a single mail today" hell yes I did, the N950 just failed to fetch them.. | 20:03 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: CASE SOLVED | 20:04 |
| RST38h | [drumbeat] | 20:04 |
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| javispedro | surprise me | 20:04 |
| faenil | javispedro: lol | 20:04 |
| gri | faenil: did you find a good place for food while walking around? | 20:04 |
| faenil | gri: nope...I was thinking about tasting german kebab, don't know what you think about it, or have better ideas :) | 20:05 |
| gri | you mean the "turkish kebab" for germans? sized like a double-whopper? :) | 20:06 |
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| faenil | ehm...don't know what you mean xD | 20:06 |
| faenil | something like this xD | 20:07 |
| faenil | http://www.mangiocongusto.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/kebab.jpg | 20:07 |
| gri | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6ner | 20:07 |
| gri | (pictures) | 20:07 |
| gri | looks the same | 20:07 |
| gri | :) | 20:07 |
| faenil | :) | 20:08 |
| * gri eats all kinds of food, so it's your choice | 20:09 | |
| RST38h | javispedro: rm -f debian/packagename.aegis; touch debian/packagename.aegis | 20:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro: this will *disable* aegis manifest generation, which is broken anyway | 20:09 |
| javispedro | the problem is, if they added it, it probably means a future fw release will require that token | 20:10 |
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| faenil | gri: let's go for it then :D if you happen to think about something better, please let me know ;) | 20:10 |
| RST38h | javispedro: additionally, you can fix it by somehow adding packagename.aegis to the controltar.gz file inside the package | 20:10 |
| faenil | RST38h: working on modded kernel? | 20:10 |
| RST38h | faenil: working on fucked up platform sdk from nokia. | 20:10 |
| RST38h | javispedro: So, ideally, I need a way to tell dpkg "this .aegis file goes into the same place with postrm/postinst/etc" | 20:11 |
| gri | faenil: so should I come to your hostel? | 20:11 |
| javispedro | RST38h: my SDK installation doesn't currently triger those tokens when finding pa_simple_new so no idea how to reproduce and at which stage it happens | 20:11 |
| faenil | gri: we can meet midway :) | 20:11 |
| faenil | gri: don't know what's better, you're the native :P | 20:12 |
| javispedro | as said I think I'll need to entirely purge and redo it with the latest versions some day... | 20:12 |
| gri | faenil: I don't live in munich, usally I only use a car here :) | 20:12 |
| RST38h | javispedro: just be aware how easily fuckupable things are nowadays | 20:13 |
| javispedro | yeah | 20:13 |
| faenil | gri: okay so, if you're using by car, you could come here, otherwise we'll meet somewhere in the middle :) | 20:13 |
| gri | I'd use public transport (finding a parking lot in the inner city is impossible) | 20:14 |
| RST38h | javispedro: my only hope is that once they let all platsec people go, nobody will know what to do with this garbage so it will stay the same | 20:14 |
| faenil | gri: okay, so let's meet somewhere in the middle :D | 20:14 |
| gri | faenil: http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=48.151364,11.576675&daddr=Euro+Youth+Hostel,+Munich,+Germany&hl=en&ll=48.145759,11.573067&spn=0.01658,0.042272&sll=48.144775,11.56846&sspn=0.01658,0.042272&geocode=FUS73gIdY6WwAA%3BFQWI3gIdt2SwACEx6ULunWaGlQ&vpsrc=6&dirflg=w&mra=ltm&glp=1&t=h&z=15 | 20:15 |
| gri | choose the middle | 20:15 |
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| faenil | gri: mmm | 20:17 |
| RST38h | How do I import a qml package WITHOUT specifying its version??? | 20:17 |
| artemma | RST38h: I don't think it's possible | 20:17 |
| RST38h | I do not care if it is impossible or not, just need to know how to do it =) | 20:19 |
| faenil | gri: if you're using public transport, I guess Karlsplatz is the best bet | 20:19 |
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| faenil | otherwise, where the obelisk is? | 20:19 |
| gri | we could go for the obelisk even though I don't think there's anything to eat next to it :) | 20:20 |
| faenil | ok so :P | 20:20 |
| faenil | mm | 20:21 |
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| svuorela | munich directions? :) | 20:21 |
| faenil | yup xD | 20:21 |
| faenil | trying to meet and eat a kebab, lol | 20:21 |
| faenil | are you in munich too? :) | 20:21 |
| svuorela | yep. have been in munich around 12 hours | 20:21 |
| faenil | wanna join us? :) | 20:22 |
| faenil | (I feel you're vegetarian, lol) | 20:22 |
| svuorela | I think I have a different dinner appointment. | 20:22 |
| svuorela | but no. I'm not vegetarian as such, but I don't mind vegetarian food. | 20:23 |
| svuorela | with added bacon | 20:23 |
| faenil | :D | 20:23 |
| faenil | ok no problem then ;) | 20:23 |
| gri | faenil: throw a coin for public transport or walking ... but I have to walk soon otherwise I'll be a ice block | 20:24 |
| faenil | gri: please, decide xD I have no clue where places to eat are in munich? it was all closed today | 20:24 |
| faenil | I go for walking :) | 20:24 |
| svuorela | yo ushould go to the hofbrauhaus | 20:24 |
| svuorela | that looked great. and german. | 20:25 |
| gri | depends how much faenil will spend :) | 20:25 |
| faenil | eheheh but that's for drinking isn't it? anyway, I'll go there for sure before coming back to Italy .9 | 20:25 |
| faenil | gri: faenil poor, lol | 20:25 |
| berndhs | hofbrauhaus has large quantities of food | 20:26 |
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| faenil | gri: damn we can't spend half day deciding what to do xD | 20:28 |
| faenil | let's get practical xD | 20:28 |
| gri | if you want it cheap, we meet at the obelisk and walk in direction to marienplatz (where the hofbräuhaus is near) | 20:28 |
| gri | there should be some places to eat and we could take a look at the prices of hofbräuhaus | 20:29 |
| faenil | ok let's go for it, otherwise we'll spend the evening looking for places :D | 20:29 |
| gri | do you have a mobile number for me? | 20:29 |
| gri | to not get lost :) | 20:30 |
| faenil | sure | 20:30 |
| faenil | hope the map will guide me till there .D | 20:30 |
| faenil | gri: leaving? :P | 20:31 |
| gri | faenil: I'll ring your phone, don't pick up | 20:31 |
| faenil | done | 20:31 |
| gri | ok | 20:31 |
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| gri | do you look somehow italian-recoginizable? :P | 20:32 |
| faenil | ahahahah | 20:32 |
| faenil | black jeans, black-darkgray jacket | 20:33 |
| gri | ok, I assume not many people to be at the obelisk at that time so it should be easy | 20:33 |
| faenil | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/302539_2247955045775_1455164346_2416649_6583771_n.jpg | 20:33 |
| gri | for me: blue jeans, black jacket | 20:33 |
| * artemma senses the grand test of Nokia Maps coming. Or is it going to be a Google Maps test? :) | 20:34 | |
| faenil | ahhaha | 20:34 |
| faenil | doesn't Nokia Maps require internet? | 20:34 |
| faenil | I don't have data plan :D | 20:34 |
| faenil | got tourists map here :P | 20:34 |
| artemma | faenil, are you kidding me? | 20:34 |
| artemma | That is THE selling point of Nokia Maps - it works offline :) | 20:34 |
| faenil | lol :D | 20:35 |
| svuorela | you can download for dfree | 20:35 |
| artemma | that is if you download maps before you are offline | 20:35 |
| svuorela | I did that yesterdays. of bavaria. 120mb | 20:35 |
| faenil | Have never used it after N8, where internet connection was required.. | 20:35 |
| faenil | wonderful, let's download then xD | 20:35 |
| artemma | faenil: It was never required on N8 :D | 20:35 |
| faenil | :O lol | 20:36 |
| faenil | OviMaps? | 20:36 |
| artemma | thing is you do need to download maps somehow. It can happen online bit-by-bit or you can download the whole map pack for Bavaria or whichever region | 20:36 |
| artemma | OviMaps is the same as Nokia Maps | 20:36 |
| faenil | yeah I know | 20:36 |
| artemma | nowadays you don't even need to use your pc for it | 20:36 |
| faenil | yeah know that | 20:37 |
| artemma | look into the Update in the Maps app | 20:37 |
| artemma | it can download whole map over wifi | 20:37 |
| faenil | strange...I remember this thing perfectly, doesn't matter anyway :D | 20:37 |
| gri | faenil: from the picture you look taller than me ... let's see :) | 20:37 |
| faenil | works offline? better ;) | 20:37 |
| artemma | or 3g if you've got flat data plan | 20:37 |
| artemma | one thing that can make it look like it needs connection is that it asks for it. | 20:37 |
| faenil | gri: I'm 1,83 | 20:38 |
| gri | faenil: ok, you're taller. | 20:38 |
| faenil | :P | 20:38 |
| artemma | connection is needed for A-GPS to work and for fresh map updates. But both things are perfectly optional | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | so after a 30 minute call with DHL | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | my N950's being delivered tomorrow | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | it only took two and a half weeks | 20:38 |
| artemma | MohammadAG: congrats! | 20:39 |
| gri | faenil: weren't the italians usally smaller? :) | 20:39 |
| faenil | gri: never heard about that :P | 20:39 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: you had to give some of your rather large gold reselve as bribe? | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, they expect me to pay 469 NIS | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | about $150 | 20:40 |
| faenil | :O | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | for customs | 20:41 |
| gri | faenil: ok, I start walking | 20:41 |
| gri | see you then | 20:41 |
| artemma | MohammadAG: it's not even your device, you just loan it :) | 20:41 |
| javispedro | that is quite the bribe. | 20:41 |
| faenil | gri: I start downloading maps xD | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | artemma, he got confused when I said loan/gift | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | he's an Israeli, his english isn't that good | 20:41 |
| faenil | artemma: it's taking ages to download maps catalog...xD | 20:42 |
| artemma | MohammadAG: Imagine, Nokia wants you to return it next week for breaking some "you don't talk about bugs publicly" clause :) | 20:42 |
| * artemma just started downloading Finnish map to his N950 | 20:42 | |
| * MohammadAG begs for Israeli maps | 20:42 | |
| artemma | faenil: well, you do need connection at least once if you need maps :) | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | Springboard crashed, for the 10th time | 20:43 |
| faenil | artemma: I know :P I'm using hostel's wifi :P | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | I _HATE_ iOS now | 20:43 |
| artemma | faenil, I meant you do need a *working* connection at least once :) | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | springboard bootstraps all apps | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | when it crashes it'ls like the whole device is rebootedf | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | kinda like killall meegotouchhome | 20:44 |
| faenil | artemma: it's a fast one :P | 20:44 |
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| MohammadAG | cool, now facebook somehow knows I know Jaffa | 20:45 |
| faenil | Map application does not answer - do you want to close it? | 20:45 |
| faenil | -.- | 20:45 |
| faenil | very reliable Map app... | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | better than the iPhone app for sure | 20:46 |
| javispedro | Map application sucks -- Kick it? | 20:47 |
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| artemma | hmm, interesting | 20:47 |
| artemma | oh well, they should improve Maps then | 20:47 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: ah, you got an iPhone! wonderful! | 20:47 |
| faenil | can't get it to download this catalog... | 20:48 |
| * artemma personally uses Nokia Maps always, but just naturally knows workarounds for when Maps don't work | 20:48 | |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, iPod touch | 20:48 |
| faenil | stops working when I try to | 20:48 |
| javispedro | hmfh. | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, just needed it for some apps | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | bus timetable, bank app etc | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's just an 8GB cheapass model | 20:48 |
| javispedro | sounds like webby stuff. | 20:48 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, yeah | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | plus I need google maps | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia Maps has no Israel maps | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | Mappero's good but it's a bit slow and clunky | 20:49 |
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| faenil | well, Im leaving, or gri will kill me :D | 20:50 |
| faenil | cya guys :) | 20:50 |
| gri | i already walk | 20:50 |
| gri | hehe | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | pfft, I started walking when I was 1 or something | 20:50 |
| faenil | lol he's still here xD | 20:50 |
| faenil | damn smartphones | 20:50 |
| faenil | :D | 20:50 |
| faenil | cya there gri | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, gapless playback is awesome | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | but the iPhone cheats | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | iTunes preprocesses gapless info and saves it on the iPhone | 20:51 |
| javispedro | "gapless info"? | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | which tracks can be played gapless | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | iTunes analyzes all tracks | 20:52 |
| javispedro | ah, you mean it removes silence from the track itself? | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't play all songs gapless | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | no | 20:52 |
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| MohammadAG | if you have a playlist | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't play it gapless | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | but with mixes/songs that can be played gapless without noticing it, it does that | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | the PS3 for example plays all songs gapless | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | this only plays the ones that should be played gapless | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | it's smart about it (well, iTunes is) | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | the iPhone's pretty dumb | 20:54 |
| * javispedro never thought gapless was such a hard problem, winamp has been doing it | 20:54 | |
| MohammadAG | depends how the implementation is | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | it's very good on the iPhone | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | it's half baked on the PS3 | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | not that good on rhythmbox | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | (crossfade plugin) | 20:54 |
| javispedro | How do you measure the quality? | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | rhythmbox has a very noticeable gap | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | you can hear it switching songs | 20:55 |
| javispedro | but you said you are using crossfading? | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | the PS3 lowers the volume of the song and raises the volume of the next one | 20:55 |
| javispedro | how is that even possible =) | 20:55 |
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| MohammadAG | it's like 0.1s | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | the iPhone does it in a way you don't notice it even switching songs | 20:56 |
| javispedro | you are setting crossfade time to 0s or something like that? | 20:56 |
| javispedro | (in rhythmbox) | 20:56 |
| javispedro | gapless in my dictionary is a) avoid delay switching tracks b ) remove silence at being/end of a track | 20:58 |
| javispedro | winamp does a) spectacularly even with weirdo input plugins (such as some chiptune plugins...), and b less spectacularly, but it also does a bit (depends even on the buffer size from the output plugin) | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, lemme up a video | 20:59 |
| * RST38h is happy, temporarily, until nokians break something else | 21:04 | |
| MohammadAG | there won't be anything else to break | 21:05 |
| RST38h | oh just watch 'e, | 21:07 |
| RST38h | 'em | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cSqmf1O9QQ | 21:07 |
| javispedro | thought It was going to be more impressive =) | 21:08 |
| javispedro | try winamp ;P | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, sec, lemme show you another one :p | 21:09 |
| javispedro | the thing is, that, as said, I don't know what's so hard about it. albeit I'm reading that for mp3 this might depend on the encoder | 21:11 |
| javispedro | so I guess that what iTunes is doing is some kind of reencoding. | 21:11 |
| javispedro | dunno, though. | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | we have continuous autofocus in camera-ui apparently | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG | (cssu one) | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, feel like patching mafw to support gapless playback? :P | 21:16 |
| javispedro | closed source now | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | right now it constructs a new playbin2 instance for each song afaik | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | fremantle | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | I said mafw not qmafw :p | 21:16 |
| javispedro | hah | 21:16 |
| javispedro | touché. | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | btw I don't see why qmafw can't be rewritten | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | port libmafw | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | make a Qt wrapper called libqmafw | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | use the same header files | 21:17 |
| javispedro | I don't know what's changed. | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | and the same replies | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | nothing | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | it shouldn't matter if the calls are the same | 21:17 |
| javispedro | tbh I would love to try, should make a note to point my "loose cannon with aiming capabilities" to it next time.. | 21:19 |
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| RST38h | Ok, resubmitted 8 items to Ovi Store QA | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4BTs4dd16s | 21:22 |
| artemma | Why don't my TabButtons don't change pages on click? I added some onClicked code for it, but come on, that's an ugly workaround | 21:22 |
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| artemma | or is pageStack incompatible with Tabs? | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG | use Pages on one PageStack | 21:23 |
| artemma | My app [logically] consists of two tabs: MainView and Settings | 21:24 |
| artemma | from main view you can get one level deeper (and get back) | 21:24 |
| artemma | I used page stack with buttons, but now I think built-in Tab navigation should work better as essentially I have two tabs | 21:25 |
| * artemma is reading about TabGroups.. ok, there's more than just telling system that this tab is for this page | 21:26 | |
| artemma | Is there some example of mixing tabs and pagestack? | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | PageStack is about having a stack of pages, not tabs | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | but is what you're looking for in the widgets gallery? | 21:29 |
| artemma | I want one of the tabs have a pagestack | 21:29 |
| artemma | one of the pages shows many images and click on the image should open the big image viewer, Back - gets you back | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | no idea | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | I got the idea | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't the fb app do this? | 21:30 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: many employees of Silicon Valley giants like Google, Apple, Yahoo and Hewlett-Packard send their children to the Waldorf School in Los Altos where the school's chief teaching tools are anything but high-tech: pens and paper, knitting needles and, occasionally, mud. Not a computer to be found. No screens at all. Computers are not allowed in the classroom, and the school even frowns on their use at home. | 21:39 |
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| berndhs | RST38h: interesting | 21:43 |
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| * artemma can't figure why TabGroup draws one of the tabs on top of another one | 22:29 | |
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| artemma | Is it possible at all to use TabGroup with PageStackWindow? | 22:42 |
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| ieatlint | should be, but i've never tried myself | 22:50 |
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| artemma | I switched to Window, looks like it works not that bad on harmattan | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | what about Page | 22:52 |
| artemma | only one problem for now: my TabGroup show black rectangle until the first tab button click :) | 22:52 |
| ieatlint | post your code snippet for declaring the tabgroup | 22:52 |
| louisdk | Hi. Is Harmattan really more open source than Android? | 22:53 |
| artemma | ieatlint: here it is http://pastebin.com/eUJXCK7M | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | louisdk: .. not really | 22:53 |
| artemma | though my problem can be around it. I am in a kind'a prototyping mode, so a bit of a mess around | 22:53 |
| ieatlint | yeah, that seems to match even the example code... dunno | 22:56 |
| louisdk | Stskeeps: Because of the close sourced Swipe UI? | 22:56 |
| ieatlint | although your anchors might be screwed | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | louisdk: and apps | 22:57 |
| ieatlint | the parent of mainTab is he TabGroup.. right? | 22:57 |
| artemma | ieatlint: yes | 22:57 |
| artemma | hey, another question. If you use a Window (and not PageStackWindow) how does it know what to show in a tab based interface? | 22:57 |
| louisdk | Stkeeps: Okay. Looks like my next phone after N900 will be Nexus Prime. | 22:58 |
| artemma | is sizing TabGroup to whole window size enough? | 22:58 |
| ieatlint | that seems... odd... might be worth trying to find a working example | 22:58 |
| artemma | actually yes. Now I simplified the code enough to match some basic example :) | 22:59 |
| artemma | hey! You can wrap TabGroup with a Page! | 22:59 |
| artemma | that may be it | 22:59 |
| mja | can mc-tool (?) be used to set up IM services supported by telepathy but not by default on the N9/N950? | 22:59 |
| artemma | than PageStackWindow maybe works | 22:59 |
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| artemma | and this worked | 23:02 |
| artemma | funny | 23:02 |
| dm8tbr | mja: yes, see the known xmpp workaround | 23:08 |
| mja | dm8tbr: cheers | 23:08 |
| mja | dm8tbr: there are some services like yahoo im and msn(?) that are not based on xmpp though | 23:08 |
| mja | dm8tbr: but are supported by telepathy, imo | 23:08 |
| dm8tbr | only downside you can't message from individual contact page, but you will see all contacts in the messages application | 23:09 |
| mja | to my kwoledge, I mean | 23:09 |
| mja | knowledge | 23:09 |
| dm8tbr | mja: those plugins you'd need to build and add yourself | 23:09 |
| mja | dm8tbr: yes, I used that hack for gtalk in beta2 :) | 23:09 |
| mja | dm8tbr: ach.. sounds too difficult for me | 23:09 |
| dm8tbr | mja: I get around this by having _one_ xmpp account and transports :) | 23:10 |
| dm8tbr | makes my life a lot easier as I have usually 2-3 xmpp clients open concurrently | 23:10 |
| dm8tbr | would be a b*Tch with all those IM accounts out of which most don't support-multi-logon | 23:10 |
| * artemma is so sick finetuning all the freaking small details between harmattan and symbian components | 23:18 | |
| mja | indeed.. why oh why | 23:20 |
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| Hq` | http://hqh.unlink.org/harmattan/ | 23:23 |
| Hq` | a new version available :) | 23:23 |
| dm8tbr | shiny! | 23:24 |
| * dm8tbr tried one yesterday and it was quite nice | 23:24 | |
| dm8tbr | I must try it on the n9, the n950 I know I can just unfold ;) | 23:26 |
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| Hq` | :) | 23:32 |
| Hq` | yeah | 23:32 |
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| Hq` | the new version has some quite important bugfixes affecting screen/irssi usage | 23:33 |
| Lilltiger | Hq`: why is there ö and ä but not å? | 23:40 |
| Hq` | it didn't fit in and I never need it :D | 23:43 |
| Hq` | anyway, I'll try to make the layout configurable at some point | 23:44 |
| rantom | Hq`: Replace comma (,) with å? | 23:45 |
| Lilltiger | Hq`: well alt+A could be ä and ctrl+alt+a could be å for example | 23:45 |
| Lilltiger | or alt+ one of the arrows for etach of åäö | 23:46 |
| Lilltiger | or wait no.. | 23:46 |
| Lilltiger | irssi uses alt+arrows | 23:46 |
| Lilltiger | ur just put them all on the same button, like ä, ctrl+ä=å, alt+ä=ö | 23:48 |
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