IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2011-10-17

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npmartemma: is there a way of cc'ing a local copy of an email message to oneself, or a place where drafts are automatically saved (e.g. "fcc' feature folder carbon copy in some better mailers)00:06
npmi'm wondering cuz i use the platform emailer to send mail, and if i knew of a cc address, I could add that to the launch url00:06
npmsend mail by voice that is :-)00:07
artemmanpm: even if cc works this way, it would only help if mail is actually starts being sent :)00:07
npm( )00:07
artemmaI lost two mails already this way00:07
artemmaonce in Beta 1, once in Beta 200:07
artemmajust "error" and everything typed disappears00:07
artemmayou can of course manually save to drafts once in a while, but it needs going out of the mail editor00:08
npmheh nothing like posting to the interwebs to help you notice one of your icons (in unreleased software) is not transparent :-)00:08
npmsuck icon anywayhs00:09
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sivanghi all02:21
sivangI am trying to make a project in QtCreator deploy/test to the N95002:21
sivangbut the only target I can add is "Rmote Complite"02:22
sivang"Remote Compiler" - does anybody know hwo to take creato out of this odd state?02:22
ieatlintyour toolchains be screwed02:25
ieatlintdid it used to work?02:25
sivangieatlint: yeah, I tried to upgrade last time though02:28
sivangieatlint: and I think I stopped it in the middle02:28
sivangieatlint: that was my suspiction but I hoped maybe it was something less deterministic ;)02:28
* sivang wonders if there's a bug in the SDK installer/ maintainance tool02:28
sivangthat is, if it is reported.02:28
ieatlintit is unwise to stop it :)02:29
ieatlinti suggest either scrapping your sdk folder entirely and starting over, or loading up the update/maintainance toold again and uninstalling/reinstalling stuff02:29
sivangieatlint:  I had to... bad bad bad Israeli internet has something against downloading from UK/EU sites02:30
sivangieatlint: I'd like to try and avoid the network access02:30
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sivangwell, downloading from anywhere != .IL02:30
ieatlintgood luck02:30
sivangieatlint: sounds like I'd need it :-p02:31
ieatlintif your toolchains are intact, take a look at the preferences in qtcreator02:31
sivangieatlint: okay, jsut to make sure am looking at the right palce, where do I look?02:31
ieatlintbut my guess is, if qtcreator can't see it, it's not there02:31
ieatlinttools -> options02:32
ieatlintthere are then two tabs, one labelled toolchains, the other qt402:32
ieatlintyour harmattan toolchain/libs will be in Madde/targets/02:33
ieatlintif there's not valid stuff in that dir, give up02:33
sivangieatlint: seems right,
ieatlintyeah, but make sure the maemo 6 toolchain is there, and that in the view where that screenshot was taken, you highlight the harmattan qt4, then select the "details" button in bottom-right, and verify the selected toolchain is maemo602:38
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sivangieatlint: maemo 6?02:47
* sivang tries02:47
ieatlintmaemo6 == harmattan02:47
sivangso look for harmattan?02:47
sivangI would think it'd be odd to have the mameo6 string in the naming or the folder names02:47
sivangah yes02:48
ieatlintwell, the sdk here has the build toolchain labelled maemo6 and the libs labelled harmattan02:48
sivangTool chain "Maemo 6 GCC" from the Madde dir , e.g. the sysroot dir02:48
ieatlintoh nice, there's an online backup service with an n900 client02:58
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* ieatlint wonders if it'd work on the n95002:59
sivangieatlint: I made it work somehow, I had to create a new project, something is screwed in the twitter example project03:01
sivangieatlint: I am thinking of killing the .pro file and starting fresh03:01
sivangthere are quite soem rough spots with latest version of creator03:02
sivangneed to report bug, reproduce03:02
ieatlintuh, kill the pro.user03:03
ieatlintbut what that means is you just needed to add a new target03:03
ieatlintload proejct in qtcreator, click on projects tab, click on the + symbol at the top next to "Remote Compiler" (or similar)03:04
sivangieatlint: I did that in that project, it only gave me to add "remote compiler"03:05
sivangieatlint: so perhaps there's a bug there..03:05
sivangieatlint: because I just built an example harmattan qt comp prject and tested it on the N95003:05
ieatlintdid you have to fix your toolchain/qt4 lib entries?03:05
sivangieatlint: no, I did a rebuild of the qml toolchain, or the "qml helpers"03:06
sivangwell, no a rebuild, they were not built03:06
* ieatlint shrugs03:06
sivangbut entries said "not needed".03:06
ieatlintwhatever, if you have it working, congrats03:06
sivangbrokenTexSubImage <- what's that?03:06
sivangMeegoGraphics ? :)03:07
* sivang lols at the console output03:07
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sivangieatlint: killed the .user file03:09
sivangieatlint: retrying, although the qmlproject files holds nothing but obvious things like including . and friends03:09
* sivang thinks this is an artifact of shado building or something03:11
ieatlintwait, it's a .qmlproj?03:11
ieatlintbecause that's not deployable..03:12
sivangyep and only that, in the Examples/4.7/Demos/Declerative/twitter there's the rest of stuff03:12
sivange.g. not just the qmlproject file03:12
sivangso i killled the .user file, reopened the project same issue03:13
ieatlintit doesn't list anything but remote compiler when you open the .pro?03:13
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sivangieatlint: yes03:14
sivangieatlint: and it happens with other several projects as well03:15
ieatlintand just to confirm, you're opening a .pro and not a .qmlproject file?03:15
sivangthat is what I seem to be doing03:15
* sivang makes sure03:15
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sivangieatlint: hmm, no seems I opened jsut a qmlproject03:16
sivangieatlint: odd, I opened it from the Demos from the welcome screen03:17
sivangI'ms tarting to get the picutre03:18
ieatlintyeah, the demos are rather poorly maintained, which is kinda ironic03:18
sivangI must submit bugs, there are some low hanging fruits for me when open gov is launched :)03:19
sivangieatlint: so there's a pro file, a proper one, but only in the demos under the qt dir03:19
sivangieatlint: now I see that the welcome screen takes its demos from another demo dir03:19
sivangis this shadow building?03:19
sivangieatlint: there, there's only one pro for *all* of the demos03:19
ieatlintthe main one is a subdirs type03:20
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sivangieatlint: you mean, a qml type?03:20
ieatlintand there are project files for each sub project, which can be loaded independently most of the time03:20
sivangieatlint: exactly03:20
ieatlintbut as i recall, for some, a parent project file sets include paths and similar03:20
sivangieatlint: this was not the case a couple of updates ago03:20
* ieatlint shrugs03:21
sivangieatlint: e.g. declerative demos were taken straight from the qt distro dir03:21
sivangand not copied out03:21
ieatlinti still love how many use "import Qt 4.7"03:22
sivangieatlint: instead of QtQuick 1.0?03:23
ieatlintqtquick of any version, yeah03:23
sivangor wait, the Qt namespace is now built in or are these unrelated?03:24
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sivangieatlint: I'm not complaining, this is still amoving target03:24
sivangieatlint: plus it is much more than I ever got for an SDK from any other company, for free :)03:24
sivangoh, and I do not need to sue Eclipse03:25
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ieatlintyeah, well, use it enough and you'll get this special hatred of it all03:26
sivangI won't, I came from Delphi, VB, Eclipse, gedit vim and some very bad IDEs attempted for Python (excluding Komodo) , I love the creator for waht it lets you do03:28
sivanggps simulations rock03:28
sivangbut the demos/examples thingo needs fixing,03:28
sivangfor sure.03:28
sivangieatlint: also, it is best to let a newb install and start playing with c++ on his new linux box without having to worry about deps etc03:29
ieatlintbut the whole thing seems a tad hacked together at times03:34
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sivangieatlint: I fixed it, just copied the original demo (that's is ready with the qmlviewer) to a new fresh dir and playgroudn there03:42
sivangieatlint: since those examples do not require C++ , they made them ready for the qmlviewer in built into creator03:43
* sivang thinks of asking to have voth options, deployable and just qml03:43
sivangin a feature/ bug request03:43
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kirmais there a way/application to enable automatic updates of location in availability for n9? it worked on n900, but apparently not in n9 (?)09:04
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dm8tbray you mean in that drop-down? doesn't that have a location tickbox?09:06
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kirmait has a location tick-box, but it also has "update" button09:09
kirmamaybe it was just lazy and I concluded that it's not automatic update09:10
kirmabut when I untick the box, the update button is still available09:10
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dm8tbrthat might be because of the free text field right above it?09:23
dm8tbralso for added fun tap the 'add location' text _itself_ (not the tick-box)09:24
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kirmadm8tbr: is this in line with UX guidelines? I wouldn't have ever figured out that the resolution of location would be selectable by tapping *that*09:29
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Stskeepser :P09:30
* w00t eyes Stskeeps 09:31
Stskeepsyes, i forgot the /g09:31
dm8tbrkirma: yah, bit weird, found it by accident, lost it for a couple of weeks, wondered where the f* it was, found it by accident...09:33
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thpis there a variable in QML that tells me if I'm currently in portrait or landscape mode?10:55
thp(apart from comparing width and height of the current page, that is)10:56
thpand where is is/how is it called? can't find anything in {PageStackWindow,Page,PageStack,platformWindow}10:58
ieatlinttrying to find it again, one sec10:58
ieatlint is not what you want, but distantly related and also semi-difficult to find10:58
ieatlintah, here
ieatlintnote the "screen.currentOrientation == Screen.Portrait" example code11:00
thpieatlint: thanks a lot :)11:00
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ieatlintalso, PageStackWindow has the signals onOrientationChangeAboutToStart, Finished and Started11:01
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ieatlintPageStackWindow also inherits Window which has the boolean read-only value inPortrait (eg, in PageStackWindow onOrientationChangeFinished: { if( inPortrait ) console.log( "Portrait" ) else console.log( "Landscape" ) }11:04
thpoh, just saw that - thanks. pagestackwindow inherits from window11:05
amenghi , does n9 have a developer community?11:05
ieatlintno, we shun n9 developers and encourage them to adopt apple products11:05
matrixxameng: welcome :)11:06
meceieatlint, LOL11:06
amengI just got a n9. it is so sad if there is no developer community for it..11:07
matrixxameng: there is, ieatlint is just kidding :P11:07
matrixxus :)11:07
ieatlinthave you tried a nice iphone? there's a new one out11:07
amengmatrixx:could you please point me to the link?11:07
meceieatlint, sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate over text and language barriers...11:07
matrixxieatlint: stop trolling at this second! :P11:07
ieatlintfine. :P11:08
thpameng: and, depending on who you ask11:08
thpameng: also, has some resources11:08 is better actually11:08
thp(..on whom you ask..?)11:08
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thpyes, harmattan-dev.n.c is also important as a resource, but it's not really a community11:09
ieatlinton who is correct i believe11:09
meceameng, both ^^ work, is more developers and is more users and trolls. Both can be helpful :)11:09
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matrixxI like irc and mailing lists more over forums11:09
meceameng, has the most up-to-date technical discussions, and the mailinglists you want are there too.11:10
amengthanks. will try them :)11:10
meceameng, also check out the future home of the open source apps: http://apps.formeego.com11:11
ieatlinti'm almost at release version 1 of my application for the n9/50, woo11:13
matrixxieatlint: congrats11:13
ieatlintyeah, an application that's only useful in north america11:14
ieatlintand only specific cities11:14
ieatlinta bus tracker11:14
matrixxwow, I wish we could have a good app for that in Finland11:15
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ieatlintwell, i had the advantage of a company here in the US that contracts out to transit agencies to provide live vehicle tracking11:16
ieatlintthey put a gps transponder on each vehicle that reports its location every ~30s11:16
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ieatlintand an open api11:16
specialieatlint: which cities?11:16
ieatlintcovers many cities in the US and a couple in canada11:16
ieatlintspecial: i don't have a number to hand out... any city that uses nextbus can theoretically work11:17
matrixxieatlint: I think we have similar system, but no open api yet11:17
ieatlintmy target has been where i live, which is san francisco, oakland and oakland's surrounding cities11:18
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ieatlintbut it supports boston, and montreal i believe, and somewhere between 15 and 70 additional11:18
specialah, damn, not for me11:18
ieatlinttheoretically any on this list
ieatlintmy aim will be to support them all, but it's up to the local agency to let it be an open api, and only about 20% of them have -- the other 80% have an api, but you have to skirt a TOS in order to use it11:19
ieatlintif you happen to be in a city that has an open api, i can easily give you a build that will work.  my only hangup right now is that switching between agencies doesn't work without a reboot, which i'll have fixed soon11:21
specialmine has been promising an API for awhile now, they haven't pulled it off yet11:21
ieatlintwhere's that?11:21
specialsalt lake city, utah11:22
ieatlintah, the sober state11:22
ieatlintnope, looks like no support there :P11:22
specialthat's why I don't just say "utah".11:22
ieatlintfair enough, SLC is its own thing11:22
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snowpongAnyone know which field Nokia Store reads the "Version (read-only)" part from a .deb package? If I do dpkg-deb -I I get version: 1.1.1, but Nokia claism it's 1.1.0 - and the only place I mention 1.1.0 is in the changelog11:25
infobotsnowpong meant: Anyone know which field Nokia Store reads the "Version (read-only)" part from a .deb package? If I do dpkg-deb -I I get version: 1.1.1, but Nokia claims it's 1.1.0 - and the only place I mention 1.1.0 is in the changelog11:25
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specialis 1.1.0 the latest valid entry in the changelog?11:26
matrixxsnowpong: at least for me it took very long time before it really updated the package version11:26
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matrixxlike a few days11:27
matrixxthat happened when I updated existing package.. not with new package11:27
snowpongmatrixx: aha, so it's lying - I did read something about "Version number will be updated once submitted to QA"11:27
snowpongmatrixx: ok, this is an update though11:28
snowpongspecial: no, the latest entry is 1.1.111:28
matrixxI'm not sure if there's something happening only manually, or where's the lag, but anyway it might take a while11:28
specialI've had issues before on standard debian with slightly malformed changelog entries; but the nokia store being slow sounds a lot more likely.11:29
snowpongspecial: to be precise, the topmost entry is 1.1.1 and below that it's 1.1.011:29
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snowpongmatrixx: ok11:33
snowpongspecial: I do see a missing extra newline that might be a problem in the changelog, but then the changelog parser or whatever it is is really poor :|11:33
snowponganyone know how to print out the changelog of a deb?11:34
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specialI think my problem was caused by not having enough spaces preceding the text of the changelog11:34
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snowpongspecial: and how did the problem manifest itself? I mean the .deb installs, and in the "manage applications" list it's listed with the right version11:36
matrixxof course it is possible that my changelog entry was faulty and someone corrected the info manually a few days later :P11:36
matrixxbut also it was read perfectly fine in "manage applications" as well :)11:36
specialthis was awhile ago, and not on harmattan. I believe in that case it generated the package with the wrong version entirely.11:37
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Kleggasanyone else having n9 and noticed we are "blocked out" from operations even in root? like any promiscuous network scanning (nmap or homewritten code etc) which I can understand as you shouldn't do that kinda stuff, but even running nasm (installed maemo freemantle 1.3 deb file). Probably more things?12:46
dm8tbrno shit sherlock12:47
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Kleggasso its not just me then :p12:48
Hq`yes it's well known that aegis won't let you do stuff12:48
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
dm8tbrKleggas: generally you don't want to run stuff as root, rather as user12:48
Kleggaswell, didn't test nasm in user as I sshed into as root. but one would think I wont be able to run nasm anyway even as user :)12:49
Kleggasbut havent tried12:50
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Kleggasperfect, nasm runs in user mode. thanks, as usual it was so simple :p12:52
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sixtus42Hi, I am still stuck with /tmp being to small and root unable to move it away or resize it. Anybody got an idea how to do that? The app I am trying to run ignores $TMPDIR :-/13:22
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djszapiHi! Is it possible to get the call duration somehow on Harmattan ?13:34
djszapiI am primarily interested in Ui interface like on any other old phones.13:35
djszapiahh found, long tap on the dedicated call.13:36
djszapiand there is something in the menu13:36
djszapihow intuitive workflow ... that is another question.13:38
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sixtus42djszapi: hi! any new idea on my /tmp problem?13:47
djszapisorry, no.13:47
djszapiI am terribly busy with everything13:47
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djszapisixtus42: I will get back to you at some point in the upcoming days. Currently busy with abstracts for the meego conference..14:25
djszapifruct conference*14:25
nealwhat meego conference?14:25
dm8tbrthere is still going to be any public event about meego?14:25
macmaNSpeedEvil: what is the issue with microsim adapters vs n95014:26
DocScrutinizerdon't use them14:26
dm8tbrunless you feel like replacing a SMT sim holder yourself :)14:26
macmaNok. just wondering, actually was thinking about using an adapter to fit microsim into an older nokia14:27
macmaN*gasp*.. Symbian FP1 device14:28
DocScrutinizerall slot-in holders are problematic with adapters14:28
DocScrutinizersimilar to "don't use mini-CD in slot-in CD drives"14:28
macmaNmhm kthx14:30
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DocScrutinizerin case of sim hooldes the contact springs lock to any hole or edge on the SIM's surface14:32
DocScrutinizerto remove you need to insert a *thin* but rigid plastic latch above contact surface of SIM, to unlock the contact springs14:33
DocScrutinizeryou usually don't want to do that even once14:34
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djszapisixtus42: you are hardcoding "/tmp" in your program ? Could you please use TMPVAR in your program, getting it by "getenv" for instance because tmp basically points there by default.14:43
djszapiand /var/tmp is laid down on root fs, so you would have that 2.1 GB free space.14:44
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merlin__is there any way to paste into the term on the device?14:54
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dm8tbrmerlin__: I'm also for C&P support. I hear the author accepts patches and the source is public.14:57
mprso how do I install native gcc etc. on n9 without compiling everything myself, is there an apt repository similar to maemo extras-devel?14:58
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djszapimpr: use the official nokia repository15:35
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mprthat tries to pull libgmp3c2 from which returns 404 :/16:02
mprit does get binutils from the same address with no problems16:02
djszapifaenil: o/16:03
faenilhey djszapi :)16:04
faeniltrying to implement ray picking, got some free time? :D16:04
djszapiactually busier than ever :)16:04
faenilok ;)16:04
mprwonder why it tries to use for that one, should I disable the sources in aegis.ssu-keyring-001.list?16:05
djszapimpr: no you should have both16:05
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djszapideb harmattan/sdk free non-free16:05
mpryeah, I have that16:06
djszapishould work oob.16:07
djszapicould you please the output failing ?16:07
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djszapimpr: apt-cache policy for the relevant package, please ?16:14
djszapisee ?16:16
mpryeah, but I guess something is out of sync in if it finds that but the actual file is missing?16:16
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mprbut yeah, looking at harmattan-dev first solves the problem16:26
djszapimpr: have you made an apt-get update ? If yes, the repo might be kinda broken.16:26
mpryes I have, wouldn't see the harmattan-dev stuff at all otherwise :)16:27
djszapiyes, you would.16:27
djszapibut I try to report it to the SDK team leader tomorrow then, if you tried.16:27
mprwell have done it anyway16:27
mprok, thanks16:27
djszapiaheinecke: so you do not need me to manage your ho(s)tel for the KDE Harmattan sprint, you will manage it yourself ?16:30
djszapibecause I will make the grouping for the whole group in one hostel, and I think it is better if we live together there. :)16:31
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RST38hMoo, ladies and gentlemen17:30
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RST38hmoo, rm_you17:32
rm_workmoo RST38h17:32
javispedromoo RST38h17:32
* RST38h is back home17:32
rm_workmoo javispedro17:32
rm_workRST38h: everything still working alright with packrat / updating your packages?17:32
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futbolsalas15hello, can someone help me to make a webconference about meego? I'm from Bogota, Colombia and at my university we will develop an Mobile OS Conference17:44
futbolsalas15i request help on #meego, but answer me that meego is dead17:44
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RST38hrm_work: Frankly, have not checked for 2 weeks17:48
RST38hrm_work: Been in the States, away from N950.Last thing I know, someone from Ovi wrote that my packages do not start *directly* from Ovi Store, promised to investigate this week17:49
RST38hrm_work: But this, of course, has nothing to do with the repo ;)17:49
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rm_worklol yes17:58
rm_workhave fun in the states?17:58
RST38hrm_work: yeah checked the touch screen precision on all the android phones in AT&T store! =)17:59
RST38hrm_work: with some surprising results BTW17:59
RST38hrm_work: every 4.3" Samsung device sucks moose balls at one-handed virt keyboard input18:00
RST38hrm_work: 4.5" Samsung is better18:01
RST38hrm_work: But if you really want to be able to type a calee name, one handed, get an HTC (no matter, WP7 or Android).18:01
RST38hBecause Sammy if failing so miserably, it is not even funny any more. Although they all look the same.18:02
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RST38hjavispedro: I think they are trying to avoid fixing Ovi Store.18:04
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VelmontAnyone know how to sync the old Android phone contacts from Google to Nokia N9? -- it did only import my GTalk-people right now. It got almost no phone information at all (even my girlfriend, only her jabber address, not phone no.)18:26
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kkitoVelmont: create a mail for exchange account with your gmail credentials. It will import google contacts, calendar and mail18:51
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Velmontkkito: Ok. Cool. -- Do I have to do anything special on the gmail-side?18:56
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lardmanoh I really do hate QML anchors19:25
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lardmanone little apparently innocuous change and the whole thing is screwed19:26
* lardman wonders if it's possible to get the layout decision tree from the QML runtime to find out what particular anchor/size is knackering things?19:27
RST38hlardman: Madde is supposed to come with a QML debugger, no?19:29
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lardmanRST38h: dunno, am using Linux to develop here19:29
lardmanbut I'll tale a look19:29
* lardman has been soldering all afternoon and can still smell solder flux, makes him think something is on fire in his kitchen19:30
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RST38hlardman: Should run under Linux (known as QtSDK)19:31
RST38hlardman: did not runfor me underWindoze though19:32
lardmanoh is that MADDE too, I thought that was the Windows version19:32
RST38hlardman: QtSDK appears to be just anothernamefor madde19:33
lardmanah ok19:33
RST38hlardman: and "platform sdk" isapseudonim for "scratchbox" :)19:33
lardmanwell at least I now have something that stays on the screen and doesn't wander off the screen when I repeatedly change orientation - no clue why there's a slight offset mind you19:35
lardmananyone know how I can remove an anchor? For example when I rotate, some of the portrait anchors mess up my layout in landscape, and then when I rotate back it's even worse19:39
* lardman tried None on the off chance19:40
lardmanBy way of an example, I have an Item {} which has a fixed size (100,100), which I set in each state (it would change normally). This contains a yellow rectangle with anchors.fill: parent set19:43
lardmantherefore my feeling is that I should always end up with a yellow rectangle 100x10019:43
lardmanbut when I rotate the screen, the rectangle becomes rectangular, 100 high and across the entire screen19:44
lardmanI can't understand how this can happen when I explicitly set the size of its parent in each state19:44
RST38hlardman: Have you considered not using anchors?19:44
lardmanRST38h: using explicit x and y coords instead?19:45
RST38hlardman: filling parent rectangles instead19:45
RST38hwell, I guess it still uses anchors but not directly19:45
lardmanwell I need to change the screen layout depending on the orientation of the device, and for this simple page have a video widget with another Item containing a pair of buttons to perform functions19:46
fralsso err, coming back to what i was asking yesterday.. running a process requiring tracker access under gdb on device, anyone got any hints?19:46
lardmanso I basically need to move the buttons to either one side or below the video widget19:46
RST38hah, so you need a complete layout switch19:46
lardmanRST38h: it should be very simple, and I've no clue why it won't work, the code (I expect to need to use) is actually very simple19:47
lardmanbut adding anchors seems to change the size of my Item {}, which they screws things up. But my understanding was that anchors have a length of chain with them, so they don't stretch the objects they are anchoring19:48
lardmanbut perhaps I completely misunderstand....19:48
lardmanAnyway is enough to make one give up19:48
fralsif you anchor something left and right its going to change the width of the item19:48
lardmanfrals: why?19:49
tommawell if you have item with fixed size and then anchor it for example windows left and right... then it will resize19:49
Corsachmhmhm, 650€ for expansys n9/64g, *nice*19:49
lardmanfrals, tomma, hmm, I see19:49
fralslardman: because its going to occupy the whole size between the left and the right anchor19:49
fralslardman: anchor to one side only or use anchors.horizontalCenter or similar19:49
fralslardman: as for the why... no clue, thats how it works, and makes sense to me :)19:50
lardmanfrals: what if I need two rectangles one above the other, horizontally centred and spaced proportionally to the space between them and the edges?19:50
RST38hlardman: I have found that QML does not always recompute layout properly when rotating19:50
lardmanI thought that's what an anchor would do, let things drift between anchored points19:51
RST38hlardman: No idea why, but it might be the reason19:51
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lardmanRST38h: yeah that is a problem, some anchors are not wanted in certain orientations, so how can I disable them?19:51
lardmane.g. in a landscape layout I need to disable the horizontalCenter anchor, but am not sure how to do that. Any ideas?19:52
grilardman, states and AnchorChanges19:52
fralslardman: could you draw me a picture? been a long day :D19:52
lardmangri: does AnchorChanges do something specific then? I was trying to work out why it was even a keyword when PropertyChanges seems to do the same thing19:53
grilardman, PropertyChanges can't change anchors19:53
lardmangri: yes it can19:53
lardmanor at least it does so19:53
fralsanchors.left: undefined19:53
lardmanfrals: cool, thanks19:54
griin QtQuick 1.0 it was not able, maybe it works in 1.1 :)19:54
fralsim not sure if it works, but supposedely it should. i remember having some difficulties with it a few weeks back19:54
lardmangri: if AnchorChanges resets all anchors but for those mentioned that would be a reason for having it, otherwise I was just changing anchors in PropertyChanges as I also need to alter the width & height19:55
lardmanhmm, perhaps it does do something differently, certainly my layout is slightly different19:58
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griI just tried ? using PropertyChanges it does output warnings, using anchorchanges it does what I want20:05
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lardmangri: certainly the behaviour is different, which is a little odd, I'll see if I can fix it with AnchorChanges.20:07
lardmanAnyone know who I should actually ask whether/what the difference is between AnchorChanges and PropertyChanges?20:07
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fralsid guess #qt-qml20:09
lardmanonto other weirdness: I have two buttons stacked one atop the other in a Rectangle, the buttons are sized in the states, the rectangle is set to childrenRect.width etc, but is less wide than the buttons20:10
lardmanthanks frals20:10
grilardman, If you have margins, those are substracted from width20:11
lardmanno margins20:11
fralslardman: may we see the code? :)20:12
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lardmanof course, sorry20:12
lardmanthat's the snippet in question, I'll pastebin the whole lot if you want20:13
fralslardman: the states part would be nice as well20:13
lardmansure, hang on a tick20:13
lardmanlots of Rectangles in place of Items so I can see what on Earth is going on ;)20:14
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grilardman, Why not create a Column {} for the Buttons and fill the rectangle with it?20:19
griI read somewhere we should prevent ourselves from setting width and height if possible (don't remember where)20:19
lardmangri: a Column was my first choice, but I was also going to alter the arrangement of the buttons - side by side in landscape view20:20
tommaRow then20:21
fralslardman: you are setting the width for the rectangle20:21
fralslardman: so its not childrenRect.width anymore20:21
lardmanyeah but they need to be in a row for landscape and a column for portrait, not sure I can switch between the two...20:21
tommabutton group20:21
fralslardman: line 9620:21
lardmanfrals: but why not, it's not updated after state property changes?20:22
fralslardman: if you set it to 250 its always going to be 250 until you change it to childrenRect.width again20:22
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lardmanah I see20:23
lardmanI'll need to check and see what the buttons do20:23
lardmanthat was a left over from the more complex code I originally wrote, and have been paring back since nothing would work20:23
fralslardman: or let me rephrase, it will change depending on the propertychange you have in the state, if its not defined it will take initial expression i assume20:24
lardmantomma: I'll check that out, thanks20:24
fralslardman: seems to workish here20:25
lardmanthanks frals20:25
lardmantomma: re buttongroup, any docs on that anywhere?20:26
fralslardman: np20:26
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tommalardman, seems like there is only ButtonColumn and ButtonRow... they have helper functions in ButtonGroup.js20:27
* lardman realises why he hates uis now, 2 days spent bashing head against kb when I could have been doing something algorithmically useful20:27
lardmanthanks tomma20:27
grianyone else here has crazy flickering when starting on osx (Qt 4.7.4 and Lion)?20:28
thpgri: nope - try the "-graphicssystem" switch, maybe it makes a difference20:32
grithp, raster seems to be the normal one - flickers. OpenGL displays some weird buffer contents :)20:33
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thpgri: did you try "native" too>20:39
thp s/>/?/20:39
grithp, no and this actually doesn't flicker, wow :)20:40
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lardmanif nothing else now debugging qml code using Rectangles in primary colours is a far more pleasant experience than staring at error messages :)20:56
RST38hyohoo, wazd20:56
wazdRST38h: woo :)20:57
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mprI wonder how hard it would be to configure the default terminal so that it retains focus when the virtual keyboard is hidden20:59
mprso that you could use the full screen when using an external bt keyboard20:59
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mpris it something terminal-specific or would you need to dig the internals of the whole window management21:01
lardmanhow do you hide the vkb in the term?21:03
mprslide it down21:03
lardmanhappens with e.g. Messages too, so perhaps it could be changed in the vkb implementation so that it remembers which is the current app when it appears21:04
dm8tbrmpr: does bt kbd work for you if vkb is showing?21:04
dm8tbr... interesting21:04
* lardman wonders where his BT kb has been hidden21:04
mpryou can also see from the terminal cursor that it loses focus when you hide the vkb21:04
dm8tbrwhen I recently tried bt-kbd it would only work if I flipped out the hardware keyboard (and thus hid the vkb)21:05
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mpryeah, probably different on devices with an actual hw keyboard, I'm on n921:08
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dm8tbrwell good to know21:10
dm8tbrmpr: does it work in other apps or do they also loose the cursor/focus if you hide the vkb?21:11
mprin messages it pops the vkb up whenever you type anything on the bt kb :)21:12
dm8tbrwould be nice if bt-kbd would create an 'hw kbd' like event21:13
dm8tbr(there would be probably some bugs like autocapitalization etc, but I'd be happy to live with them)21:14
mpractually in the actual new message view it just loses focus and doesn't respond to bt kb if vkb is hidden, same as in terminal21:16
mprthe popping-up happened only when focus was on some one-line input fields21:17
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gri~seen spenap21:25
infobotspenap <spena@nat/nokia/x-fkiqictlqjfiesjt> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 4d 5h 8m 2s ago, saying: '~seen ab'.21:25
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aurynnHey. So, to recap: Got an N9, which is now asking for a re-flash. Can't find OS images anywhere. What now?21:57
javispedroyou wait =)21:57
aurynnAh-hah. :) So, I'm basically screwed right now.21:58
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aurynnWell, at least I know22:00
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* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass22:01
aurynnand I look good on the bbq...22:01
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fiferboyIs there anyway to load pre-existing thumbnails from tracker in QML?22:21
grithose for contacts, yes22:21
grior what exactly is pre-existing?22:22
fiferboyCamera thumbnails in particular22:26
fiferboyQGalleryQueryModel is an easy way to get them, but I have to generate my own thumbnails that way22:27
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pinheirohumm any one knows the name for the msn protocol23:15
pinheiromsn telapathy23:15
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fiferboypinheiro: telepathy-pecan I believe23:24
fiferboyOr telepathy-msn-pecan23:25
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pinheirofiferboy: hummm23:38
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pinheiromc-tool add msn/pecan?23:40
* dm8tbr doesn't have such problems. just unified all IM protocols into one XMPP account by using transports23:42
pinheirogabble/jabber =jabber23:43
fralspinheiro: where did you find the plugin?23:48
pinheiroi didnt23:49
pinheirofor msn at least23:49
pinheirojabber working fine23:49
pinheiroskype 223:49
pinheirowondering if i can get msn aswell23:49
fralswell you would need to install the telepathy plugin for it first23:50
pinheiroor haze?23:50
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piggzlo, does anyone know what formats work with qsoundeffect?  im having trouble with wav, ogg and mp3!!23:57
LilltigerDo anyone know if there is a working version of XBMC (not remote) for Harmattan (Nokia N9)23:57

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