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| Scifig | Good Morning/Evening | 05:54 |
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| Scifig | dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Connection.ring.tel.ring /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Connection/ring/tel/ring org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable.Introspect | 05:54 |
| Scifig | How can I run this ^^ command without getting access denied error? | 05:54 |
| Scifig | Tried devel-su, aegis-exec etc. | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably not at all | 05:55 |
| Scifig | DocScrutinizer, :( | 05:55 |
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| ieatlint | i want an application that can remotely control my stapler | 06:17 |
| berndhs | electric staplers are scary | 06:18 |
| berndhs | worse than guns | 06:19 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, but the remote control for my gun might be illegal | 06:20 |
| berndhs | hire someone to operate the stapler, and control that person by SMS | 06:21 |
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| ieatlint | there is a lot of cheap immigrant labour around here... that might just work | 06:37 |
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| tjaalton | hey, anyone with a precompiled n900-comhist-import for the n9? | 10:01 |
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| npm | i think a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun would be easy to control electrically, since it is electromagnetic | 10:30 |
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| Mirv | any ideas for geocacherers w/ harmattan? CacheMe kind of works but is barely usable as is with long hangs etc | 10:38 |
| Mirv | I'm building the 0.8.9 now (https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cacheme&project=home%3Atjyrinki), probably no difference to 0.8.8 | 10:38 |
| Mirv | and I'm asking the developer, who unfortunately has decided against harmattan (he lives in Germany), for his abandoned QML test version sources.. http://www.harbaum.org/till/cacheme/index.shtml | 10:39 |
| Mirv | but other than that, I haven't found anything in the Nokia Store or any open source Qt applications in the web so far | 10:39 |
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| dm8tbr | Mirv: till hangs out on freenode, so you can also catch him here, probably on #mer or #meego-arm | 10:54 |
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| Mirv | dm8tbr: ok, just checked that no harbaum nick currently on IRC. but I e-mailed him and told him about my packaging and general interest. | 11:04 |
| dm8tbr | yes he's not online 24/7 | 11:06 |
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| petteri | the software developer mode in n9 will be pain in the ass to nokia care, since it starts sshd with root password rootme on the phone | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:56 |
| petteri | at least here in finland your phone gets public ip address | 11:57 |
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| frals | petteri: have you tried sshing to it when its connected to 3g? | 11:58 |
| frals | petteri: afaik iptables drops the packages when on 3g, but i might be wrong | 11:59 |
| * dm8tbr remembers somethign like that too | 11:59 | |
| frals | cat /etc/network/if-up.d/drop_gprs_to_sshd | 11:59 |
| dm8tbr | developer mode also expects that 'you know what you're doing' | 12:00 |
| dm8tbr | IOW: that on a local WiFi network you are wiiide open | 12:00 |
| petteri | hmm.. actually i have only tested on local lan | 12:01 |
| petteri | i'll test | 12:01 |
| frals | petteri: cat the file above and read the header :) | 12:01 |
| tabasko | hmm, how I can scroll up/down on irssi with n9 shell? | 12:02 |
| frals | AllowUsers *@127.0.0.1 *@10.0.0.0/8 *@172.16.0.0/12 *@192.168.0.0/16 | 12:02 |
| Dotti | tabasko: arrows toolbar in landscape mode, pgup/dn | 12:04 |
| petteri | frals: so it seems, thank you for the info :) | 12:06 |
| tabasko | Dotti: thanks, I should have realized that myself :p | 12:09 |
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| rantom | http://mashable.com/follow/contests/mashable-awards-2011/category/best-smartphone/ | 13:39 |
| rantom | :) | 13:39 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 13:43 |
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| augustl | nominated! | 14:00 |
| matrixx | me too :) | 14:00 |
| augustl | haven't payed attention - are people replacing their kernels with aegis free ones? In brick safe-ish ways? | 14:01 |
| augustl | also, that means you basically disable app sandboxing, so any apps can access any content etc? | 14:02 |
| dm8tbr | augustl: this is in early stages so far | 14:03 |
| augustl | I'll wait a couple of weeks before doing it on my phone, then | 14:03 |
| augustl | I don't run apps in a sandbox on my desktop either, so I'm not too worried.. ;) | 14:03 |
| dm8tbr | I think there is no OCF for the N9 yet, so that might be a wise decision | 14:03 |
| augustl | dm8tbr: what's an OCF? | 14:04 |
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| dm8tbr | one click flasher | 14:04 |
| augustl | I see | 14:04 |
| flux | meh, apparently if grob goes broken, I cannot fix it (ie. restart that particular process) without a reboot? | 14:14 |
| flux | actually no, aegis-exec helped me to kill it :) | 14:14 |
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| strank | is there a python binding for libcommhistory? | 14:27 |
| augustl | any word on Spotify for the N9? | 14:27 |
| gri | strank, I don't think so | 14:28 |
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| strank | gri, thanks. pity | 14:31 |
| gri | strank, but it's easy to create qml bindings if you just want to display something | 14:31 |
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| strank | gri, i am trying to import events (from N900) - so it's a one-off thing. I'll either adapt the c++ tool on gitorious or I'll directly link the lib in python | 14:33 |
| gri | well, doing a commandline program which inserts events would be a five minute work :) | 14:34 |
| strank | yep modulo experience. if there would be a python binding: 3 minutes ;-) | 14:36 |
| gri | even with python bindings, I would need a week in python (no clue of that :P) | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | augustl: anyway there's no such thing like sandboxing on HARM - never been | 14:43 |
| augustl | DocScrutinizer: oh. I thought apps didn't have access to address books and what not. | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some things are restricted access (due to aegis policies), much like separate users on any arbitrary unix system. But actually that's all implemented by something like extended ACL, via aegis permissions. It's all but sandboxing | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | most things are simply hashed and nobody may alter them, but most users may read them | 15:05 |
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| augustl | so what are the security concerns for disabling aegis, then? Because aegis is about security, and not DRM, right? | 15:07 |
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| xsacha | hi | 15:28 |
| xsacha | i'm trying to install vnc server on harmattan but it has some dependencies that i can't find. libxinerama1, libssl1.0.0, openssl1.0.0, libvncserver0, x11vnc-data | 15:28 |
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| xsacha | just wondering, what repo am i meant to add for these? | 15:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | augustl: that's what they never get tired to tell you: aegis is not about DRM it's about user security. Actually we are still waiting for a decent example of aegis protecting a single user in a single real case | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I start to think aegis is mainly about warranty | 15:35 |
| augustl | haha | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks to all the OC-fanbois - you SUCK guys! | 15:35 |
| xsacha | what if i OC my device by bypassing aegis and not getting warranty message? | 15:37 |
| RST38h | Moo folks | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm really grateful to aegis to make definitely clear when a device got "abused". Obviously there's o way to tell apart abusing e.g by OC from "legit" messing with kernel etc for e.g. hostmode | 15:38 |
| RST38h | Moorning, Doc | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h | 15:38 |
| RST38h | Are you complimenting Aegis? Has something happened? | 15:38 |
| mtd | sb end | 15:38 |
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| mtd | oops | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, just open mode kernel, and the warning "WARRANTY *PERMANENTLY* VOID!" | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually appreciate that | 15:39 |
| xsacha | what if you get open mode without getting that warning? | 15:39 |
| xsacha | warranty still active + OC? :) | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you either got a device with R&D cert, or you got no true open mode | 15:40 |
| mtd | speaking of aegis, does anyone know how it determines the 'origin' of a package? | 15:40 |
| xsacha | my N9 came with no warranty so i don't care either way | 15:40 |
| xsacha | DocScrutinizer: exploit? | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | xsacha: learn about aegis! | 15:40 |
| xsacha | i have | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's basically already an exploit to get rid of it | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's definitely no exploit to get a working OC-enabled kernel without that warning | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you own Nokia's master cert key to sign NOLO | 15:42 |
| xsacha | very simple method: | 15:42 |
| xsacha | edit the kernel and remove the warning messag | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, the message isn't in kernel, and suppressing it wouldn't change the warranty void flag getting set | 15:43 |
| xsacha | yeah but it'd stop me from seeing the message | 15:43 |
| xsacha | i could say a friend gave it to me and plead ignorance? :P | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | as soon as I would consider to buy the device used from you, you bet I know how to make it show up again. So no concerns about you cheating yourself here at my end | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and neither me nor Nokia will buy your friend-story, or simply don't care about it no matter how true | 15:45 |
| xsacha | not my fault, my friend!! argh!! | 15:45 |
| xsacha | he just went back to nigera last week. told me this kernel would make me rich | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter. I won#t buy your device either way | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and Nokia won't repair it (for free) | 15:46 |
| xsacha | oh well, mine has no warranty anyway | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine, so you got a device that's worth only 20% of the original with warranty, but on the other hand doesn't give you any headache about breaking warranty - you're our target group for fua-pk, h-e-n9 etc | 15:48 |
| xsacha | h-e-n9? | 15:48 |
| xsacha | fua-wha? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hostmode-enabler-N9 | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | FU-aegis-powerkernel | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FU = Fee User's ;-D | 15:49 |
| xsacha | fee users? | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | free | 15:50 |
| xsacha | can you do anything useful with hostmode-enabler yet? can i plug in a keyboard or a flash drive? | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | can you send me an N9 to test it, so I may tell you ;-P | 15:51 |
| xsacha | by the way, you cant enable host mode without breaking warranty? | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes H-E-N on N900 can do all that and more | 15:51 |
| xsacha | well that doesn't help my n9 | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | xsacha: no you can't | 15:51 |
| xsacha | luckily n9's radio works without breaking warranty | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | radio as in GSM modem? | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | or radio as in FMRX? | 15:53 |
| xsacha | fmrx :P | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't really work without breaking warranty | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | problems with audio routing | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | at very least you need a non-crippled devel-mode to get it working | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's a botch that is likely to break with any new version of aegis policy | 15:54 |
| xsacha | i installed it from the web browser on an n9 and then opened a terminal and ran it as 'developer' and it worked perfectly | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | see above | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask javispedro about details | 15:55 |
| xsacha | n9 has non-crippled devel-mode? | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia guy promised to look into it if we can get proper routing with one of the next updates, as we mere mortal devels may not mess with routing, in a system conforming way | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | routing? | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | audio routing | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | PA ploicies | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | polixies* | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH! | 15:57 |
| xsacha | is the problem just running it as user instead of developer? | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the problem is there's no audio "scenario" defined for that usecase, AIUI | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you have to do "hacks" that most likely will vanish with next more restrictive version of paegis | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to run a root process to move audio from here to there | 15:58 |
| xsacha | oh ok. so fine right now, aegis is going get worse than it already is | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | this may get ruled out even for devel-mode any time in near future | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and definitely FMRX as is now will never pass OVI QA | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe Nokia actually adds the FMRX routing to PA policies | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | some time | 16:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's btw the design bug in aegis/paegis. It assumes you can protect user by forbidding $RANDOM_ACTION for *all* apps, assuming that maybe there might be an app that uses $RANDOM_ACTION in a way $RANDOM_USER doesn't appreciate | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | this never can work, for very obvious reasons | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | the missing bit is USER empowered to decide here | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | as user may want app-A to be able to send SMS, while he strictly deprecates app-B doing the same | 16:09 |
| xsacha | i want the harmattan UI on my tablet.. | 16:09 |
| xsacha | so i was thinking, vnc server on n9, vnc viewer on tablet | 16:09 |
| xsacha | is there a better way that maintains high fps? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno if vnc server on N9 is feasible at all | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | smells like aegis blowing chunks on it | 16:10 |
| xsacha | as devel i mean | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even then I guess | 16:11 |
| xsacha | well it already works.. i was just wondering if there's better way | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh it actually works. WOW | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | no better way | 16:11 |
| xsacha | like better protocol than vnc | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 16:11 |
| xsacha | k | 16:11 |
| xsacha | here's a video, it's quite laggy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxEG42IQNmg | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | see how aegis protects you? it's great isn't it? screenshots any time, upload those to russian server no problem | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | but access to indicator LED to make it blink a pattern "message waiting" - NO WAY DUDE! | 16:13 |
| xsacha | my router can do 300 mbps, obviously the n9 is quite a bit worse than that.. but would like to get 60 fps stream going on | 16:14 |
| xsacha | not exactly high res and screen is mostly black | 16:14 |
| dm8tbr | usbnet? | 16:21 |
| xsacha | http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5126/remoteb.png | 16:22 |
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| faenil | good sunday afternoon everyone! :) | 16:25 |
| xsacha | thx faenil | 16:32 |
| xsacha | are you faenil as in faenil's pit? | 16:32 |
| faenil | yes :) | 16:32 |
| xsacha | do you have an n9? | 16:35 |
| xsacha | haven't heard anything from you in ages.. what are you working on? :) | 16:36 |
| faenil | I have an n950 :) | 16:37 |
| faenil | working on a 3d game for it and on an uni project at the same time, so I'm pretty busy this period...nothing to post on the blog :) | 16:37 |
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| faenil | what are you working on? :) | 16:46 |
| faenil | xsacha: ^ | 16:46 |
| xsacha | just uni projects right now | 16:46 |
| faenil | I see...what are you studying? | 16:53 |
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| xsacha | physics | 16:53 |
| faenil | wow :) | 16:53 |
| faenil | why you here? :) | 16:53 |
| xsacha | huh? | 16:54 |
| faenil | I mean, why do you come to this chat? | 16:54 |
| xsacha | nokia sent me a free n9 64GB | 16:54 |
| faenil | ohh...congrats! :D | 16:54 |
| faenil | Via Community DDP or what? | 16:55 |
| xsacha | just in mail. i didnt ask for | 16:55 |
| faenil | wow :D | 16:56 |
| faenil | don't be humble, there must be a reason ^_^ | 16:56 |
| xsacha | well they also sent me c7, e6, e7, x7, n8 this year | 16:57 |
| faenil | wait, there MUST be a reason then :D | 16:57 |
| berndhs | it's a conspiracy | 16:57 |
| faenil | ahhahaah | 16:57 |
| faenil | xsacha, are you some sort of godlike dev or what :D | 16:58 |
| xsacha | no :\ | 16:58 |
| faenil | you hide something behind your physics knowledge :D | 16:58 |
| xsacha | nokia just has too many departments giving out phones | 16:58 |
| faenil | are you trying to tell me Nokia gives free phones randomly? :D | 16:58 |
| berndhs | entrapment ? | 16:59 |
| xsacha | well i signed up to devnet and got a c7 | 16:59 |
| faenil | :O | 16:59 |
| xsacha | signed up for launchpad (there's like nothing there) and got an email that i get e7 and their first windows phone (haven't got yet) | 16:59 |
| faenil | -.- | 16:59 |
| xsacha | so that's why i'm here | 16:59 |
| faenil | berndhs: are you breathless too? XD | 17:00 |
| rantom | xsacha: Congrats for the N9 then. I've got from Nokia N900 and N950 | 17:00 |
| xsacha | are you going to make some cool ROMs for n950? :) | 17:00 |
| xsacha | i never had the n900, sounded cool though | 17:00 |
| Lilltiger | xsacha: yuo should sent them a message that you dont want thire windiws phone, but that you wouldent say no to a t-shirt insted of it | 17:00 |
| faenil | xsacha: ahahah :) No, Symbian was fun, but I'm not a linux expert, I'll see what I can do ;) | 17:01 |
| xsacha | i'll take the windows phone and a T-shirt that says "I am the 99% (running Windows)" | 17:01 |
| Lilltiger | weak | 17:01 |
| xsacha | faenil: no more roms for the N8? :( | 17:02 |
| xsacha | or mods i should say | 17:02 |
| faenil | xsacha: I'm actually spending my free time on N950, there's CODeRUS still making mods for N8, you're in the best possible hands :D | 17:02 |
| faenil | but I'm curious about how you came to know me :) | 17:03 |
| xsacha | your website. was looking for n8 mods | 17:04 |
| faenil | oh, ok :) | 17:04 |
| faenil | xsacha: I should be close to you, you seem to be a lucky guy. lol | 17:05 |
| xsacha | anyone know how to disable the screen timeout altogether? it gets annoying when remoting in to the device because there doesn't seem to be any way to wake up (double mouse click doesn't work!) | 17:08 |
| faenil | xsacha: how did you get e6 and x7 instead? :) | 17:08 |
| xsacha | local developer manager sent them out. e6 was meant to be loaner but they havent asked for it back yet | 17:09 |
| faenil | they never do ;) | 17:09 |
| faenil | anyhow, congrats :) pretty nice collection of latest phones from Nokia :) | 17:09 |
| rantom | xsacha: Btw, was the N9 retail or developer? | 17:10 |
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| xsacha | rantom: came in retail box but someone had already loaded in account on it. how do i check? | 17:11 |
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| rantom | xsacha: Settings - About this product - Version: 34-1_PR_001 is mine (retail) | 17:12 |
| xsacha | 10.2011.34-1.299.1_PE_299 | 17:12 |
| rantom | Same | 17:12 |
| xsacha | PR (not PE) | 17:13 |
| rantom | What country? | 17:13 |
| xsacha | Australia | 17:13 |
| rantom | I'd guess that that's the Australia's version of that firmware | 17:14 |
| xsacha | the 299? | 17:14 |
| rantom | I saw a list once covering all of them but can't find it now | 17:14 |
| xsacha | i thought maybe it was generic instead because usually nokia phones make an annoying camera noise when you take a photo and it doesn't give you option to disable this on australian firmware | 17:15 |
| xsacha | and this one takes silent photos | 17:15 |
| rantom | I'd guess it's the retail one | 17:18 |
| rantom | Mine takes with the "click" sound though | 17:18 |
| xsacha | if you put on silent? | 17:20 |
| rantom | http://www.mobilelivingroom.de/Nokia-N9-product-codes | 17:20 |
| rantom | Found it | 17:20 |
| xsacha | on silent it shouldn't make noise on n9 | 17:20 |
| rantom | xsacha: No click when in silent | 17:20 |
| xsacha | on their symbian phones it makes noise no matter what. some legal thing apparently even though i'm sure there's no such law here | 17:20 |
| rantom | But yeah, sounds like a retail-device to me | 17:23 |
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| faenil | xsacha: sounds like I want-that-too device to me XD | 17:24 |
| xsacha | you're lucky you have a keyboard | 17:24 |
| xsacha | but i wouldn't trade in this screen for anything | 17:25 |
| faenil | I hate physical keyboards XD I use swype for portrait vkb... | 17:25 |
| faenil | and there's no swype on our actual fw... | 17:25 |
| xsacha | where's n9 skype? pr 1.1 is so far away.. | 17:25 |
| xsacha | swype* | 17:25 |
| faenil | isn't there skype in N9 current fw? | 17:25 |
| xsacha | yeah | 17:25 |
| faenil | you should have swype... | 17:25 |
| xsacha | where's swype? | 17:26 |
| faenil | in language options | 17:26 |
| faenil | where the autocorretion setting is.. | 17:26 |
| rantom | I don't have Swype | 17:26 |
| faenil | :O | 17:26 |
| xsacha | i don't see it | 17:26 |
| rantom | I assume you'd have to install it first? | 17:26 |
| Lilltiger | nither do i | 17:26 |
| faenil | Settings -> Time and Language --> Keyboard | 17:26 |
| faenil | nope | 17:27 |
| faenil | it should be included... | 17:27 |
| xsacha | settings -> time and language -> text input ? | 17:27 |
| rantom | Nope | 17:27 |
| faenil | well, I feel better then, N9's fw are lacking swype too xD | 17:27 |
| xsacha | have active input, installed input methods, error correction and insert with space key | 17:27 |
| faenil | but it's there on more recent fws.. | 17:27 |
| xsacha | yeah i heard it'll come in pr 1.1 or something | 17:27 |
| faenil | I see... | 17:28 |
| faenil | it should come soon (TM) | 17:28 |
| xsacha | along with everything else that's missing | 17:28 |
| faenil | I'm really missing swype... | 17:28 |
| xsacha | to make sure you update your aegis | 17:28 |
| faenil | lol | 17:28 |
| rantom | Good | 17:31 |
| rantom | I'll be waiting then, though I've never used Swype | 17:31 |
| rantom | More or less I'd want folders for apps | 17:31 |
| artemma | oh, swype is coming for N9 | 17:32 |
| artemma | that's cool | 17:32 |
| xsacha | and video calling which will be cool | 17:32 |
| artemma | swype + swipe sounds like just the right combination :) | 17:32 |
| faenil | is videocalling coming in pr1.1 too?.. | 17:32 |
| faenil | artemma: agree... | 17:32 |
| faenil | swype is a killer :D | 17:32 |
| faenil | swype + swipe is a killer combo :) | 17:32 |
| artemma | rantom: I value quick search for apps more than folders. Every 20-30 ms spent on launching search matter | 17:33 |
| artemma | spoiled by macs spotlight probably | 17:33 |
| artemma | a keyboard shortcut + a one-two letters finds any apps | 17:33 |
| artemma | but speed of this combo is important | 17:34 |
| rantom | artemma: haven't tried it | 17:34 |
| artemma | MyMoves author is going to allow calling Search by gesture (it's not normal app somehow and is missing now) | 17:35 |
| artemma | then you can start anything by e.g. two-finger drag-down + typing a leter or two | 17:35 |
| rantom | personal prefence | 17:35 |
| rantom | I'd prefer less clutter | 17:35 |
| rantom | But yep | 17:35 |
| artemma | less clutter is good, spending time on organizing clutter is bad | 17:36 |
| artemma | if somebody organized folders for me :) | 17:36 |
| xsacha | artemma: on my transformer tab, you can just start typing on home screen and it activates universal search.. nothing beats that :P | 17:36 |
| artemma | Some autosorting by e.g. app name could be a quick fix for finding stuff | 17:36 |
| rantom | artemma: Like Catorise? | 17:37 |
| artemma | xsacha: N950 works the same. Thing is on N9 there is no keyboard on home screen :) | 17:37 |
| rantom | (N900() | 17:37 |
| rantom | -( | 17:37 |
| xsacha | artemma: oh ok. that's good | 17:37 |
| xsacha | is it possible to pull up keyboard anywhere you want on n9? i noticed i can 'pull down' keyboard by swiping from from keyboard to edge of screen | 17:38 |
| artemma | and BTW even on N950 Search is too slow. Takes about a second, maybe even 1.5s from first keypress to first result shown (you can start typing not waiting for full start though) | 17:38 |
| xsacha | on my playbook, i swipe up from bottom left, for example | 17:38 |
| artemma | Well, there could be a MyMoves trick possible, but taking into account that it would only be used for starting Search, maybe it's easier to just implement ability to start Search :) | 17:39 |
| xsacha | i keep finding cool features | 17:41 |
| xsacha | like in the terminal, you can pinch to change font size | 17:41 |
| xsacha | or swipe to the right to switch between 'arrows' keys or 'shell' keys | 17:41 |
| xsacha | and i make use of swipe down to hide keyboard a lot | 17:42 |
| xsacha | i'm sure there's heaps i haven't discovered yet | 17:42 |
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| * artemma didn't know about hiding keyboard. Can't show it back now | 17:55 | |
| dm8tbr | artemma: tap an input field | 17:56 |
| artemma | aha, cool. Thanks dm8tbr | 17:56 |
| dm8tbr | np | 17:56 |
| dm8tbr | is swype out yet? | 17:56 |
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| xsacha | artemma: just click on somewhere you'd need to use the keyboard | 17:57 |
| xsacha | oh i missed dm8 | 17:58 |
| kimju | dm8tbr, at least not on the sales version of N9 I tried on friday. | 17:58 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 17:58 |
| artemma | dm8tbr: somebody today mentioned swype is coming for PR 1.1 or something like that | 17:58 |
| artemma | no idea when it is going to happen though | 17:59 |
| * artemma used to recommend friends to buy Nokia phones once at least PR 1.1 is out in old times | 17:59 | |
| dm8tbr | hehe | 17:59 |
| dm8tbr | kinda like installing new windows versions after SP2 is out | 18:00 |
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| xsacha | unfortunately, apps like whatsapp/viber/kakao are never coming :( | 18:02 |
| artemma | do they all have closed API? | 18:02 |
| artemma | e.g. Evernote isn't very likely to be ported, but API is open so community can create clients | 18:02 |
| artemma | not super-cool clients probably, but ones you can survive with | 18:03 |
| xsacha | well whatsapp is a modified xmpp | 18:03 |
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| dm8tbr | xmpp works to a certain degree | 18:05 |
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| frals | someone "just" needs to write accounts plugin for xmpp really | 18:07 |
| frals | (to get all the contacts integration to work, adding it with mc-tool works fine otherwise) | 18:07 |
| dm8tbr | indeed, I've been waiting for that quite a while ;) | 18:09 |
| dm8tbr | and been repeating that there is a sample plugin somewhere(tm) in open source | 18:10 |
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| xsacha | x11vnx -rotate +90 :):) | 18:24 |
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| xsacha | vnc* | 18:24 |
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| xsacha | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/tjyrinki/harmattan/armel/ literki and cacheme are quite nice | 18:30 |
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| frals | dm8tbr: ive heard rumours about this as well but have not seen it anywhere :P | 18:43 |
| dm8tbr | orly? I've actually seen it :) | 18:44 |
| dm8tbr | took me a bit to dig it out tho | 18:44 |
| dm8tbr | should be in the chan logs | 18:44 |
| frals | dm8tbr: if you find it again please let me know ;) | 18:45 |
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| dm8tbr | http://blog.mardy.it/2011/08/meego-accounts-single-sign-on-project.html - looks promising | 18:46 |
| dm8tbr | and mardy happens to hang out on this channel :) | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow, literki for HARM? | 19:43 |
| mgoetz | hmmm | 19:44 |
| mgoetz | i wonder why my Mac doesn't receive UDP broadcasts from the device | 19:45 |
| mgoetz | (which is connected by cable and wifi) | 19:45 |
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| * MohammadAG considers reversing whatsapp now that he bought an iPod | 20:03 | |
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| meegoexperts | Hi | 20:55 |
| meegoexperts | I wanted to ask if anyone has issues with the Native Twitter App on the Nokia N9 not getting push notifications ? Its REALLY annoying the hell out of me. | 20:56 |
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| frals | pretty sure it doesnt support push notifications | 20:59 |
| frals | and jesus christ aegis is driving me insane | 20:59 |
| frals | what do i need to attach gdb to a running process? | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | CAP:Somebody | 20:59 |
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| meegoexperts | frals: It does support push as it did once, but then stopped :-( | 21:07 |
| frals | err | 21:08 |
| frals | meegoexperts: how did the push notifications work exactly? | 21:08 |
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| meegoexperts | I'm not sure what you mean by "How did they work" ? | 21:09 |
| meegoexperts | Techincally or visually ? | 21:09 |
| frals | meegoexperts: visually | 21:09 |
| meegoexperts | The notification would appear in the top bar and homescreen the same way a gTalk notification would show | 21:10 |
| frals | sure you werent getting an email notification or something? ;o | 21:11 |
| frals | and sure it was the builtin twitter app? | 21:11 |
| frals | because ive never seen it and ive been using the native twitter app for a good while ;o | 21:14 |
| meegoexperts | I've never had email notifications setup, So it was the application :-) | 21:16 |
| frals | because im *quite* positive the application does not support push notifications | 21:16 |
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| meegoexperts | It worked on one N9, then I tried it on another one and it didn't work on that one and THEN stopped working on the original one | 21:16 |
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| sivang | Are all familiar with this? http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/10/meego-harmattan-kernel-sources-published-nokia-n9-n950/ | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | woo | 21:26 |
| sivang | wii | 21:28 |
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| meegoexperts | sivang: Yeah, sort of rings a bell …… Lol | 21:52 |
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| Lilltiger | hmm, meegoexperts are you affiliated with gsmarena? | 22:04 |
| sivang | meegoexperts: ;) | 22:08 |
| sivang | meegoexperts: I just thought it would be wise to remind this fact here every once in a while. | 22:08 |
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| piggz | rubbish, using qfeedback stops all console.log messages appearing in a qml application :/ #fail | 22:28 |
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| MohammadAG | piggz, export OUTPUT_LEVEL=debug | 22:42 |
| * piggz tries | 22:44 | |
| piggz | MohammadAG: no difference...the messages appear until either a HapticsEffect is added to a qml file, or a QtFeedBackHapticsEffect is used on the c++ side | 22:47 |
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| MohammadAG | echo $OUTPUT_LEVEL | 22:50 |
| piggz | MohammadAG: debug | 22:50 |
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| piggz | MohammadAG: this thread suggests a problem also http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=27620 | 22:51 |
| piggz | in this case, i think the thread is wrong in saying the lines arnt executed...the are, there is just no output | 22:51 |
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| mzanetti | is there a place where I can download the qt-components-examples package? | 23:12 |
| mzanetti | aka qml widget gallery | 23:12 |
| artemma | I've seen boosted WG somewhere on gitorious | 23:12 |
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| artemma | http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch/trees/master/demos/widgetsgallery | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | that's MTF | 23:13 |
| artemma | browse around | 23:13 |
| artemma | ah..qml ones | 23:13 |
| artemma | sorry | 23:13 |
| artemma | There are demos coming with QtSDK | 23:14 |
| artemma | I am not sure if they include Harmattan specifics, but lots of Symbian component stuff is perfectly reusable | 23:15 |
| artemma | Am I the only one who gets his email draft destroyed on N950? | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | nah, all components are reusable anywhere | 23:15 |
| mzanetti | it seems strange that the widget gallery is preinstalled but once you remove it, you cannot get it back without reflashing | 23:15 |
| * artemma typed real long mail today, his Send, device told "error" and draft was gone. Me wants autosave to somewhere in email! | 23:16 | |
| artemma | MohammadAG: there is still specifics. E.g. Harmattan recommends PageStackWindow, while Symbian comps don't even have one. Also small crazy differences about how you spacify icon source | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | artemma, but Harmattan components would work on Symbian and Symbian components work on Harmattan (4squick) | 23:17 |
| artemma | MohammadAG: I'd say the "kind'a" work :) | 23:18 |
| artemma | I do cross platform stuff with components now and you can force then work | 23:18 |
| artemma | yet special handling here and there is needed | 23:18 |
| artemma | it just feels that Symbian and Harmattan teams never had the goal to make cross-platform development real good with real developer contact. More like they were focused on own platforms while negotiating about common api | 23:21 |
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| javispedro | does anyone have a table around converting Accuweather's wxcodes into user-readable? | 23:27 |
| mzanetti | I don't want to reflash to get the examples back right now... could anyone tell me how to create a notification in QML? | 23:29 |
| mzanetti | iirc I have seen that in the qml widgets gallery | 23:30 |
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| mzanetti | ok... got it... InfoBanner element... btw... this is one good example of the incompatibility between Symbian and MeeGo API | 23:51 |
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