IRC log of #harmattan for Sunday, 2011-10-16

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ScifigGood Morning/Evening05:54
Scifigdbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Connection/ring/tel/ring org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable.Introspect05:54
ScifigHow can I run this ^^ command without getting access denied error?05:54
ScifigTried devel-su, aegis-exec etc.05:55
DocScrutinizerprobably not at all05:55
ScifigDocScrutinizer, :(05:55
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ieatlinti want an application that can remotely control my stapler06:17
berndhselectric staplers are scary06:18
berndhsworse than guns06:19
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ieatlintyeah, but the remote control for my gun might be illegal06:20
berndhshire someone to operate the stapler, and control that person by SMS06:21
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ieatlintthere is a lot of cheap immigrant labour around here... that might just work06:37
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tjaaltonhey, anyone with a precompiled n900-comhist-import for the n9?10:01
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npmi think a would be easy to control electrically, since it is electromagnetic10:30
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Mirvany ideas for geocacherers w/ harmattan? CacheMe kind of works but is barely usable as is with long hangs etc10:38
MirvI'm building the 0.8.9 now (, probably no difference to 0.8.810:38
Mirvand I'm asking the developer, who unfortunately has decided against harmattan (he lives in Germany), for his abandoned QML test version sources..
Mirvbut other than that, I haven't found anything in the Nokia Store or any open source Qt applications in the web so far10:39
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dm8tbrMirv: till hangs out on freenode, so you can also catch him here, probably on #mer or #meego-arm10:54
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Mirvdm8tbr: ok, just checked that no harbaum nick currently on IRC. but I e-mailed him and told him about my packaging and general interest.11:04
dm8tbryes he's not online 24/711:06
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petterithe software developer mode in n9 will be pain in the ass to nokia care, since it starts sshd with root password rootme on the phone11:56
petteriat least here in finland your phone gets public ip address11:57
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fralspetteri: have you tried sshing to it when its connected to 3g?11:58
fralspetteri: afaik iptables drops the packages when on 3g, but i might be wrong11:59
* dm8tbr remembers somethign like that too11:59
fralscat /etc/network/if-up.d/drop_gprs_to_sshd11:59
dm8tbrdeveloper mode also expects that 'you know what you're doing'12:00
dm8tbrIOW: that on a local WiFi network you are wiiide open12:00
petterihmm.. actually i have only tested on local lan12:01
petterii'll test12:01
fralspetteri: cat the file above and read the header :)12:01
tabaskohmm, how I can scroll up/down on irssi with n9 shell?12:02
fralsAllowUsers *@ *@ *@ *@
Dottitabasko: arrows toolbar in landscape mode, pgup/dn12:04
petterifrals: so it seems, thank you for the info :)12:06
tabaskoDotti: thanks, I should have realized that myself :p12:09
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matrixxme too :)14:00
augustlhaven't payed attention - are people replacing their kernels with aegis free ones? In brick safe-ish ways?14:01
augustlalso, that means you basically disable app sandboxing, so any apps can access any content etc?14:02
dm8tbraugustl: this is in early stages so far14:03
augustlI'll wait a couple of weeks before doing it on my phone, then14:03
augustlI don't run apps in a sandbox on my desktop either, so I'm not too worried.. ;)14:03
dm8tbrI think there is no OCF for the N9 yet, so that might be a wise decision14:03
augustldm8tbr: what's an OCF?14:04
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dm8tbrone click flasher14:04
augustlI see14:04
fluxmeh, apparently if grob goes broken, I cannot fix it (ie. restart that particular process) without a reboot?14:14
fluxactually no, aegis-exec helped me to kill it :)14:14
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strankis there a python binding for libcommhistory?14:27
augustlany word on Spotify for the N9?14:27
gristrank, I don't think so14:28
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strankgri, thanks. pity14:31
gristrank, but it's easy to create qml bindings if you just want to display something14:31
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strankgri, i am trying to import events (from N900) - so it's a one-off thing. I'll either adapt the c++ tool on gitorious or I'll directly link the lib in python14:33
griwell, doing a commandline program which inserts events would be a five minute work :)14:34
strankyep modulo experience. if there would be a python binding: 3 minutes ;-)14:36
grieven with python bindings, I would need a week in python (no clue of that :P)14:36
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DocScrutinizeraugustl: anyway there's no such thing like sandboxing on HARM - never been14:43
augustlDocScrutinizer: oh. I thought apps didn't have access to address books and what not.14:51
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DocScrutinizersome things are restricted access (due to aegis policies), much like separate users on any arbitrary unix system. But actually that's all implemented by something like extended ACL, via aegis permissions. It's all but sandboxing15:04
DocScrutinizermost things are simply hashed and nobody may alter them, but most users may read them15:05
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augustlso what are the security concerns for disabling aegis, then? Because aegis is about security, and not DRM, right?15:07
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xsachai'm trying to install vnc server on harmattan but it has some dependencies that i can't find. libxinerama1, libssl1.0.0, openssl1.0.0, libvncserver0, x11vnc-data15:28
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xsachajust wondering, what repo am i meant to add for these?15:29
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DocScrutinizeraugustl: that's what they never get tired to tell you: aegis is not about DRM it's about user security. Actually we are still waiting for a decent example of aegis protecting a single user in a single real case15:34
DocScrutinizerI start to think aegis is mainly about warranty15:35
DocScrutinizerthanks to all the OC-fanbois - you SUCK guys!15:35
xsachawhat if i OC my device by bypassing aegis and not getting warranty message?15:37
RST38hMoo folks15:37
DocScrutinizerand I'm really grateful to aegis to make definitely clear when a device got "abused". Obviously there's o way to tell apart abusing e.g by OC from "legit" messing with kernel etc for e.g. hostmode15:38
RST38hMoorning, Doc15:38
DocScrutinizermoo RST38h15:38
RST38hAre you complimenting Aegis? Has something happened?15:38
mtdsb end15:38
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DocScrutinizernah, just open mode kernel, and the warning "WARRANTY *PERMANENTLY* VOID!"15:39
DocScrutinizerI actually appreciate that15:39
xsachawhat if you get open mode without getting that warning?15:39
xsachawarranty still active + OC? :)15:39
DocScrutinizerthen you either got a device with R&D cert, or you got no true open mode15:40
mtdspeaking of aegis, does anyone know how it determines the 'origin' of a package?15:40
xsachamy N9 came with no warranty so i don't care either way15:40
xsachaDocScrutinizer: exploit?15:40
DocScrutinizerxsacha: learn about aegis!15:40
xsachai have15:41
DocScrutinizerit's basically already an exploit to get rid of it15:41
DocScrutinizerthere's definitely no exploit to get a working OC-enabled kernel without that warning15:41
DocScrutinizerunless you own Nokia's master cert key to sign NOLO15:42
xsachavery simple method:15:42
xsachaedit the kernel and remove the warning messag15:42
DocScrutinizerhaha, the message isn't in kernel, and suppressing it wouldn't change the warranty void flag getting set15:43
xsachayeah but it'd stop me from seeing the message15:43
xsachai could say a friend gave it to me and plead ignorance? :P15:43
DocScrutinizeras soon as I would consider to buy the device used from you, you bet I know how to make it show up again. So no concerns about you cheating yourself here at my end15:44
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DocScrutinizerand neither me nor Nokia will buy your friend-story, or simply don't care about it no matter how true15:45
xsachanot my fault, my friend!! argh!!15:45
xsachahe just went back to nigera last week. told me this kernel would make me rich15:45
DocScrutinizerdoesn't matter. I won#t buy your device either way15:46
DocScrutinizerand Nokia won't repair it (for free)15:46
xsachaoh well, mine has no warranty anyway15:46
DocScrutinizerfine, so you got a device that's worth only 20% of the original with warranty, but on the other hand doesn't give you any headache about breaking warranty - you're our target group for fua-pk, h-e-n9 etc15:48
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DocScrutinizerFU = Fee User's ;-D15:49
xsachafee users?15:50
xsachacan you do anything useful with hostmode-enabler yet? can i plug in a keyboard or a flash drive?15:50
DocScrutinizercan you send me an N9 to test it, so I may tell you ;-P15:51
xsachaby the way, you cant enable host mode without breaking warranty?15:51
DocScrutinizerand yes H-E-N on N900 can do all that and more15:51
xsachawell that doesn't help my n915:51
DocScrutinizerxsacha: no you can't15:51
xsachaluckily n9's radio works without breaking warranty15:52
DocScrutinizerradio as in GSM modem?15:52
DocScrutinizeror radio as in FMRX?15:53
xsachafmrx :P15:53
DocScrutinizerdoesn't really work without breaking warranty15:53
DocScrutinizerproblems with audio routing15:53
DocScrutinizerat very least you need a non-crippled devel-mode to get it working15:54
DocScrutinizerand that's a botch that is likely to break with any new version of aegis policy15:54
xsachai installed it from the web browser on an n9 and then opened a terminal and ran it as 'developer' and it worked perfectly15:54
DocScrutinizersee above15:55
DocScrutinizerask javispedro about details15:55
xsachan9 has non-crippled devel-mode?15:55
DocScrutinizerNokia guy promised to look into it if we can get proper routing with one of the next updates, as we mere mortal devels may not mess with routing, in a system conforming way15:56
DocScrutinizeraudio routing15:56
DocScrutinizerPA ploicies15:57
xsachais the problem just running it as user instead of developer?15:57
DocScrutinizerthe problem is there's no audio "scenario" defined for that usecase, AIUI15:57
DocScrutinizerso you have to do "hacks" that most likely will vanish with next more restrictive version of paegis15:58
DocScrutinizeryou need to run a root process to move audio from here to there15:58
xsachaoh ok. so fine right now, aegis is going get worse than it already is15:59
DocScrutinizerthis may get ruled out even for devel-mode any time in near future15:59
DocScrutinizerand definitely FMRX as is now will never pass OVI QA16:00
DocScrutinizermaybe Nokia actually adds the FMRX routing to PA policies16:02
DocScrutinizersome time16:02
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DocScrutinizerthat's btw the design bug in aegis/paegis. It assumes you can protect user by forbidding $RANDOM_ACTION for *all* apps, assuming that maybe there might be an app that uses $RANDOM_ACTION in a way $RANDOM_USER doesn't appreciate16:05
DocScrutinizerthis never can work, for very obvious reasons16:06
DocScrutinizerthe missing bit is USER empowered to decide here16:08
DocScrutinizeras user may want app-A to be able to send SMS, while he strictly deprecates app-B doing the same16:09
xsachai want the harmattan UI on my tablet..16:09
xsachaso i was thinking, vnc server on n9, vnc viewer on tablet16:09
xsachais there a better way that maintains high fps?16:09
DocScrutinizerdunno if vnc server on N9 is feasible at all16:10
DocScrutinizersmells like aegis blowing chunks on it16:10
xsachaas devel i mean16:10
DocScrutinizernot even then I guess16:11
xsachawell it already works.. i was just wondering if there's better way16:11
DocScrutinizerooh it actually works. WOW16:11
DocScrutinizerno better way16:11
xsachalike better protocol than vnc16:11
xsachahere's a video, it's quite laggy:
DocScrutinizersee how aegis protects you? it's great isn't it? screenshots any time, upload those to russian server no problem16:13
DocScrutinizerbut access to indicator LED to make it blink a pattern "message waiting" - NO WAY DUDE!16:13
xsachamy router can do 300 mbps, obviously the n9 is quite a bit worse than that.. but would like to get 60 fps stream going on16:14
xsachanot exactly high res and screen is mostly black16:14
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faenilgood sunday afternoon everyone! :)16:25
xsachathx faenil16:32
xsachaare you faenil as in faenil's pit?16:32
faenilyes :)16:32
xsachado you have an n9?16:35
xsachahaven't heard anything from you in ages.. what are you working on? :)16:36
faenilI have an n950 :)16:37
faenilworking on a 3d game for it and on an uni project at the same time, so I'm pretty busy this period...nothing to post on the blog :)16:37
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faenilwhat are you working on? :)16:46
faenilxsacha: ^16:46
xsachajust uni projects right now16:46
faenilI see...what are you studying?16:53
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faenilwow :)16:53
faenilwhy you here? :)16:53
faenilI mean, why do you come to this chat?16:54
xsachanokia sent me a free n9 64GB16:54
faenilohh...congrats! :D16:54
faenilVia Community DDP or what?16:55
xsachajust in mail. i didnt ask for16:55
faenilwow :D16:56
faenildon't be humble, there must be a reason ^_^16:56
xsachawell they also sent me c7, e6, e7, x7, n8 this year16:57
faenilwait, there MUST be a reason then :D16:57
berndhsit's a conspiracy16:57
faenilxsacha, are you some sort of godlike dev or what :D16:58
xsachano :\16:58
faenilyou hide something behind your physics knowledge :D16:58
xsachanokia just has too many departments giving out phones16:58
faenilare you trying to tell me Nokia gives free phones randomly? :D16:58
berndhsentrapment ?16:59
xsachawell i signed up to devnet and got a c716:59
xsachasigned up for launchpad (there's like nothing there) and got an email that i get e7 and their first windows phone (haven't got yet)16:59
xsachaso that's why i'm here16:59
faenilberndhs: are you breathless too? XD17:00
rantomxsacha: Congrats for the N9 then. I've got from Nokia N900 and N95017:00
xsachaare you going to make some cool ROMs for n950? :)17:00
xsachai never had the n900, sounded cool though17:00
Lilltigerxsacha: yuo should sent them a message that you dont want thire windiws phone, but that you wouldent say no to a t-shirt insted of it17:00
faenilxsacha: ahahah :) No, Symbian was fun, but I'm not a linux expert, I'll see what I can do ;)17:01
xsachai'll take the windows phone and a T-shirt that says "I am the 99% (running Windows)"17:01
xsachafaenil: no more roms for the N8? :(17:02
xsachaor mods i should say17:02
faenilxsacha: I'm actually spending my free time on N950, there's CODeRUS still making mods for N8, you're in the best possible hands :D17:02
faenilbut I'm curious about how you came to know me :)17:03
xsachayour website. was looking for n8 mods17:04
faeniloh, ok :)17:04
faenilxsacha: I should be close to you, you seem to be a lucky guy. lol17:05
xsachaanyone know how to disable the screen timeout altogether? it gets annoying when remoting in to the device because there doesn't seem to be any way to wake up (double mouse click doesn't work!)17:08
faenilxsacha: how did you get e6 and x7 instead? :)17:08
xsachalocal developer manager sent them out. e6 was meant to be loaner but they havent asked for it back yet17:09
faenilthey never do ;)17:09
faenilanyhow, congrats :) pretty nice collection of latest phones from Nokia :)17:09
rantomxsacha: Btw, was the N9 retail or developer?17:10
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xsacharantom: came in retail box but someone had already loaded in account on it. how do i check?17:11
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rantomxsacha: Settings - About this product - Version: 34-1_PR_001 is mine (retail)17:12
xsachaPR (not PE)17:13
rantomWhat country?17:13
rantomI'd guess that that's the Australia's version of that firmware17:14
xsachathe 299?17:14
rantomI saw a list once covering all of them but can't find it now17:14
xsachai thought maybe it was generic instead because usually nokia phones make an annoying camera noise when you take a photo and it doesn't give you option to disable this on australian firmware17:15
xsachaand this one takes silent photos17:15
rantomI'd guess it's the retail one17:18
rantomMine takes with the "click" sound though17:18
xsachaif you put on silent?17:20
rantomFound it17:20
xsachaon silent it shouldn't make noise on n917:20
rantomxsacha: No click when in silent17:20
xsachaon their symbian phones it makes noise no matter what. some legal thing apparently even though i'm sure there's no such law here17:20
rantomBut yeah, sounds like a retail-device to me17:23
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faenilxsacha: sounds like I want-that-too device to me XD17:24
xsachayou're lucky you have a keyboard17:24
xsachabut i wouldn't trade in this screen for anything17:25
faenilI hate physical keyboards XD I use swype for portrait vkb...17:25
faeniland there's no swype on our actual fw...17:25
xsachawhere's n9 skype? pr 1.1 is so far away..17:25
faenilisn't there skype in N9 current fw?17:25
faenilyou should have swype...17:25
xsachawhere's swype?17:26
faenilin language options17:26
faenilwhere the autocorretion setting is..17:26
rantomI don't have Swype17:26
xsachai don't see it17:26
rantomI assume you'd have to install it first?17:26
Lilltigernither do i17:26
faenilSettings -> Time and Language --> Keyboard17:26
faenilit should be included...17:27
xsachasettings -> time and language -> text input ?17:27
faenilwell, I feel better then, N9's fw are lacking swype too xD17:27
xsachahave active input, installed input methods, error correction and insert with space key17:27
faenilbut it's there on more recent fws..17:27
xsachayeah i heard it'll come in pr 1.1 or something17:27
faenilI see...17:28
faenilit should come soon (TM)17:28
xsachaalong with everything else that's missing17:28
faenilI'm really missing swype...17:28
xsachato make sure you update your aegis17:28
rantomI'll be waiting then, though I've never used Swype17:31
rantomMore or less I'd want folders for apps17:31
artemmaoh, swype is coming for N917:32
artemmathat's cool17:32
xsachaand video calling which will be cool17:32
artemmaswype + swipe sounds like just the right combination :)17:32
faenilis videocalling coming in pr1.1 too?..17:32
faenilartemma: agree...17:32
faenilswype is a killer :D17:32
faenilswype + swipe is a killer combo :)17:32
artemmarantom: I value quick search for apps more than folders. Every 20-30 ms spent on launching search matter17:33
artemmaspoiled by macs spotlight probably17:33
artemmaa keyboard shortcut + a one-two letters finds any apps17:33
artemmabut speed of this combo is important17:34
rantomartemma: haven't tried it17:34
artemmaMyMoves author is going to allow calling Search by gesture (it's not normal app somehow and is missing now)17:35
artemmathen you can start anything by e.g. two-finger drag-down + typing a leter or two17:35
rantompersonal prefence17:35
rantomI'd prefer less clutter17:35
rantomBut yep17:35
artemmaless clutter is good, spending time on organizing clutter is bad17:36
artemmaif somebody organized folders for me :)17:36
xsachaartemma: on my transformer tab, you can just start typing on home screen and it activates universal search.. nothing beats that :P17:36
artemmaSome autosorting by e.g. app name could be a quick fix for finding stuff17:36
rantomartemma: Like Catorise?17:37
artemmaxsacha: N950 works the same. Thing is on N9 there is no keyboard on home screen :)17:37
xsachaartemma: oh ok. that's good17:37
xsachais it possible to pull up keyboard anywhere you want on n9? i noticed i can 'pull down' keyboard by swiping from from keyboard to edge of screen17:38
artemmaand BTW even on N950 Search is too slow. Takes about a second, maybe even 1.5s from first keypress to first result shown (you can start typing not waiting for full start though)17:38
xsachaon my playbook, i swipe up from bottom left, for example17:38
artemmaWell, there could be a MyMoves trick possible, but taking into account that it would only be used for starting Search, maybe it's easier to just implement ability to start Search :)17:39
xsachai keep finding cool features17:41
xsachalike in the terminal, you can pinch to change font size17:41
xsachaor swipe to the right to switch between 'arrows' keys or 'shell' keys17:41
xsachaand i make use of swipe down to hide keyboard a lot17:42
xsachai'm sure there's heaps i haven't discovered yet17:42
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* artemma didn't know about hiding keyboard. Can't show it back now17:55
dm8tbrartemma: tap an input field17:56
artemmaaha, cool. Thanks dm8tbr17:56
dm8tbris swype out yet?17:56
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xsachaartemma: just click on somewhere you'd need to use the keyboard17:57
xsachaoh i missed dm817:58
kimjudm8tbr, at least not on the sales version of N9 I tried on friday.17:58
artemmadm8tbr: somebody today mentioned swype is coming for PR 1.1 or something like that17:58
artemmano idea when it is going to happen though17:59
* artemma used to recommend friends to buy Nokia phones once at least PR 1.1 is out in old times17:59
dm8tbrkinda like installing new windows versions after SP2 is out18:00
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xsachaunfortunately, apps like whatsapp/viber/kakao are never coming :(18:02
artemmado they all have closed API?18:02
artemmae.g. Evernote isn't very likely to be ported, but API is open so community can create clients18:02
artemmanot super-cool clients probably, but ones you can survive with18:03
xsachawell whatsapp is a modified xmpp18:03
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dm8tbrxmpp works to a certain degree18:05
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fralssomeone "just" needs to write accounts plugin for xmpp really18:07
frals(to get all the contacts integration to work, adding it with mc-tool works fine otherwise)18:07
dm8tbrindeed, I've been waiting for that quite a while ;)18:09
dm8tbrand been repeating that there is a sample plugin somewhere(tm) in open source18:10
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xsachax11vnx -rotate +90  :):)18:24
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xsacha literki and cacheme are quite nice18:30
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fralsdm8tbr: ive heard rumours about this as well but have not seen it anywhere :P18:43
dm8tbrorly? I've actually seen it :)18:44
dm8tbrtook me a bit to dig it out tho18:44
dm8tbrshould be in the chan logs18:44
fralsdm8tbr: if you find it again please let me know ;)18:45
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dm8tbr - looks promising18:46
dm8tbrand mardy happens to hang out on this channel :)18:47
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DocScrutinizerwow, literki for HARM?19:43
mgoetzi wonder why my Mac doesn't receive UDP broadcasts from the device19:45
mgoetz(which is connected by cable and wifi)19:45
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* MohammadAG considers reversing whatsapp now that he bought an iPod20:03
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meegoexpertsI wanted to ask if anyone has issues with the Native Twitter App on the Nokia N9 not getting push notifications ? Its REALLY annoying the hell out of me.20:56
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fralspretty sure it doesnt support push notifications20:59
fralsand jesus christ aegis is driving me insane20:59
fralswhat do i need to attach gdb to a running process?20:59
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meegoexpertsfrals: It does support push as it did once, but then stopped :-(21:07
fralsmeegoexperts: how did the push notifications work exactly?21:08
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meegoexpertsI'm not sure what you mean by "How did they work" ?21:09
meegoexpertsTechincally or visually ?21:09
fralsmeegoexperts: visually21:09
meegoexpertsThe notification would appear in the top bar and homescreen the same way a gTalk notification would show21:10
fralssure you werent getting an email notification or something? ;o21:11
fralsand sure it was the builtin twitter app?21:11
fralsbecause ive never seen it and ive been using the native twitter app for a good while ;o21:14
meegoexpertsI've never had email notifications setup, So it was the application :-)21:16
fralsbecause im *quite* positive the application does not support push notifications21:16
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meegoexpertsIt worked on one N9, then I tried it on another one and it didn't work on that one and THEN stopped working on the original one21:16
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sivangAre all familiar with this?
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meegoexpertssivang: Yeah, sort of rings a bell …… Lol21:52
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Lilltigerhmm, meegoexperts are you affiliated with gsmarena?22:04
sivangmeegoexperts: ;)22:08
sivangmeegoexperts: I just thought it would be wise to remind this fact here every once in a while.22:08
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piggzrubbish, using qfeedback stops all console.log messages appearing in a qml application :/ #fail22:28
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MohammadAGpiggz, export OUTPUT_LEVEL=debug22:42
* piggz tries22:44
piggzMohammadAG: no difference...the messages appear until either a HapticsEffect is added to a qml file, or a QtFeedBackHapticsEffect is used on the c++ side22:47
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MohammadAGecho $OUTPUT_LEVEL22:50
piggzMohammadAG: debug22:50
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piggzMohammadAG: this thread suggests a problem also
piggzin this case, i think the thread is wrong in saying the lines arnt executed...the are, there is just no output22:51
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mzanettiis there a place where I can download the qt-components-examples package?23:12
mzanettiaka qml widget gallery23:12
artemmaI've seen boosted WG somewhere on gitorious23:12
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MohammadAGthat's MTF23:13
artemmabrowse around23:13
artemmaah..qml ones23:13
artemmaThere are demos coming with QtSDK23:14
artemmaI am not sure if they include Harmattan specifics, but lots of Symbian component stuff is perfectly reusable23:15
artemmaAm I the only one who gets his email draft destroyed on N950?23:15
MohammadAGnah, all components are reusable anywhere23:15
mzanettiit seems strange that the widget gallery is preinstalled but once you remove it, you cannot get it back without reflashing23:15
* artemma typed real long mail today, his Send, device told "error" and draft was gone. Me wants autosave to somewhere in email!23:16
artemmaMohammadAG: there is still specifics. E.g. Harmattan recommends PageStackWindow, while Symbian comps don't even have one. Also small crazy differences about how you spacify icon source23:17
MohammadAGartemma, but Harmattan components would work on Symbian and Symbian components work on Harmattan (4squick)23:17
artemmaMohammadAG: I'd say the "kind'a" work :)23:18
artemmaI do cross platform stuff with components now and you can force then work23:18
artemmayet special handling here and there is needed23:18
artemmait just feels that Symbian and Harmattan teams never had the goal to make cross-platform development real good with real developer contact. More like they were focused on own platforms while negotiating about common api23:21
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javispedrodoes anyone have a table around converting Accuweather's wxcodes into user-readable?23:27
mzanettiI don't want to reflash to get the examples back right now... could anyone tell me how to create a notification in QML?23:29
mzanettiiirc I have seen that in the qml widgets gallery23:30
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mzanettiok... got it... InfoBanner element... btw... this is one good example of the incompatibility between Symbian and MeeGo API23:51

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