IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2011-10-14

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lindi-do you know if source code for the "calendar" package version "0.18.57+0m6" (afaik included in N9) is available somewhere? I tried adding "deb-src" to sources.list but at least that didn't let "apt-get source calendar" work01:09
javispedrocalendar is not open01:11
lindi-javispedro: ok01:11
lindi-do you know if there is some open alternative?01:11
lindi-(mainly looking for something more touchscreen friendly than gpe-calendar or dates)01:12
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barahello! does the n9 support general jabber accounts?01:22
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artemmaIf I want to store my app settings in gconf, what should the proper key look like?01:43
artemmajust /myApp/whateverSetting ?01:44
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mtddoes anyone know of a "develop a QML + python app using only tools on the phone" blog post?05:37
* mtd plans to write one if not05:37
berndhsyou should write one :)05:41
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Stefan80congrats on the n9 seems to get great reviews!10:54
rantomIt _IS_ ;)10:55
Stefan80ok gets10:55
rantomOh, I misread, sorry10:55
rantomBut yeah, it's worth the reputation10:55
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alteregoI held one the otherday, do want :)10:59
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rantomI'm very impressed with the build quality11:02
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rantomI couldn't at first find any screws from the device but noticed later, that there's at least one near the USB-port11:03
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* gri never saw one in real and also can't find any place to order ...11:04
rantomgri: Where do you live?11:04
grirantom: evil germany11:05
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rantomYou'd have to go to the importer11:05
Stefan80so nokias online shop doesnt export?11:05
grirantom: Austria is about 1 1/2 hours by car but the online shops also show "not available" even though nokia sent me an email "n9 released in austria"11:05
rantomgri: Ah, ok11:06
alteregoexpansys have a price for the N9 now.11:06
griand 600 ? is far too much for the 16gb version11:06
rantomI read first that you'd have 1 1/2 hours to Australia so a bit "wtf" :D11:06
grirantom: yeah, the teleporter has low bandwidth11:06
alterego16G version is 515 GBP11:07
dfaurestill no luck downloading developer-mode on the n950, I'm stuck :(11:07
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rantomalterego: That's less than in Finland, here it was 599 € (523,282 £)11:08
artemmawere the news about super-cheap Asia price confirmed?11:08
artemmathe rumors were telling something like 300 eur11:08
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Stefan80rantom: you should buy it from sweden11:09
artemmaor have the sales not started in Asia yet?11:09
rantomStefan80: Nah, I'm impatient. I pre-pre-ordered in July, I think11:09
Stefan80i wish they added the 950 as n9.5 :)11:10
Stefan80and started shipping11:10
rantomThey won't11:10
Stefan80I know but I'd like if they did11:10
rantomIt'd be nice, yes11:11
griThis was the same with the n900 ? released in about october and I was able to order one in february ? :(11:11
rantomor go cheap and import Harmattan to E7 :P11:11
rantomgri: It was released in December '09 and I got one for the launch-day11:12
grirantom: Ok, then december :)11:12
rantomThe original date was in October though so yeah, partially correct11:13
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rantomGreat device the N900 still though11:13
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grimine still survives even though my girlfriend uses it now (and she's not so handsome to it as me)11:14
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rantomMy brother has my first and I might try to get it repaired. My MeeGo N900 is idling, for now11:15
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CorsacDocScrutinizer51: do you have your N950 up and running and do you have bluetooth?12:08
DocScrutinizererr yes12:08
Corsaccould you check if there's a syncML profile available?12:09
DocScrutinizertell me how to do that ;-D12:09
DocScrutinizeraah wait, I'll pair it to N90012:10
Corsacon a laptop with bluetoot, run sudo sdptool browse <macaddress> and look for syncML in the result12:10
DocScrutinizerno BT on my PC per default12:11
Corsacfor n900 I get
DocScrutinizerprofiles: DUN, FTP, OPP12:12
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DocScrutinizertype: phone12:12
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Corsacyou might have sdptool on n900 too12:13
DocScrutinizerhaha macadr12:14
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Corsacit seems that nokia is more or less the only one to still provide syncML over bluetooth, android seems to completely ignore that and force people to use third party servers12:20
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DocScrutinizerthat's because they did in former times, and BT profiles are to exotic a topic for product managers to spec one out12:29
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DocScrutinizerI guess n product spec it has "BT: same functionality as N900"12:30
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CorsacN9 might really be the only one fitting my needs in the end12:35
DocScrutinizerwhich are?12:35
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JaffaRST38h: FWIW, my latest attempt at getting a support website into my Ovi submission was also rejected. But, according to the auto-resposne, they've got about 4 hours to respond within the "two business days" to me asking "what the fuck do you want then?"12:40
SpeedEvilWhat did they reject this time?12:40
w00tJaffa: but replying is hard!12:40
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JaffaSpeedEvil: Same user friendly bug tracker without the leading "http://"12:42
CorsacDocScrutinizer51: I'd like to be able to sync addressbook and contacts without having to rely on third party12:43
Corsaccurrently I'm syncing n900 with my laptop using evolution and syncevolution on the laptop12:43
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Corsac(though it fails with my new laptop because of issues in n900 bluetooth stack, but it's working on my older laptop)12:44
DocScrutinizerCorsac: bluez3 vs 4 issue?12:54
DocScrutinizerseems all sw with rev-4 in the name is just fsckdup, see kde412:55
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Ormodhum, just got my n9 and tried out the terminal app.. but can't seem to get rid of the virtual keyboard however much I swipe at the thing.. any hints?13:25
griswiping down on the keyboard should do it (atleast it does on the n950)13:26
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Ormodgri: on my n9 can't seem to get that working.13:26
griOrmod, then no idea :) Don't have a n9 yet to try ...13:28
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dm8tbrOrmod: do you have swype enabled?13:36
Ormoddm8tbr: well this is a stock n9 and the swiping gestures seem to work everywhere else so yes.13:40
hiemanshuSwype != swipe13:40
dm8tbrOrmod: no I mean the 'swype(tm)' keyboard13:40
dm8tbrunfortunate clash of names13:41
KaadlajkOrmod: if you swipe from the toolbar it does not work13:41
Kaadlajkand you need to swipe fast enough also :P13:41
griif your keyboard draws a colored line while swiping, it's probably swype13:41
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dm8tbrto explain: I haven't managed to swipe away the swype vkbd on harmattan like I can with the nokia vkb13:42
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dm8tbrfor certain reasons YMMV though13:44
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CorsacDocScrutinizer: well, both laptop have the same software configuration13:47
Corsacso it's more like an issue in bluetooth version (2.0 vs. 2.1) and/or n900 stack13:48
thpwhat's the component that can implement this:
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tabaskodunno if this is right place for asking, but does n9 have any mpd client?14:28
tabaskomusicplayerdaemon, just for controlling it. I suppose musicplayer can handle streaming14:29
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matrixxtabasko: you mean one like this: ?15:07
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tabaskomatrixx: just like that :P15:25
tabaskohmm, only two stars15:25
tabaskobut if it works, its enough15:25
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faenilhi everyone15:39
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hiemanshuis it really happening?16:28
hiemanshuI cant wait for it16:28
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faenilalways the same problem...16:32
faenilsoon (TM)16:32
hiemanshuyeah, same for moslo :P16:33
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DocScrutinizerpfff >> Error The article you specified could not be found. <<16:52
jreznik_DocScrutinizer: ...-prepare is part of link16:53
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griIs this really a official nokia blog?16:53
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grianyone has a clue about QTextDocument? (description inside)17:08
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hiemanshudjszapi: its become old now, the new question is 'When?' :D17:52
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djszapisorry ?17:54
djszapiIt is a blog which will continue, nothing will become "old".17:54
hiemanshudjszapi: I mean the latest post on it :P17:55
berndhsyes it is important to preserve the archaeological evidence :)17:55
djszapihiemanshu: not getting you..17:56
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sixtus42Hi, how do I resize /tmp on harmattan?18:03
hiemanshuwhy do you want to do that?18:04
sixtus42hiemanshu: because I am running of space on it18:04
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hiemanshusixtus42: /tmp will auto clear when it runs out of space, it auto managed18:04
sixtus42hiemanshu: well, my process dies with error writing to /tmp/.…: No space left on device18:06
djszapisixtus42: make a symlink in last case :))18:06
djszapior maybe set a different tmp path by an environmental variable ?18:06
sixtus42djszapi: haven't figured out which one it is, the process is not responding to TMPDIR18:07
sixtus42tried mount -o remount,size=64M /tmp but root doesn't have the permission to do that18:07
sixtus42I miss the old root18:08
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djszapisixtus42: yes, of course. That is expected!18:08
sixtus42djszapi: yes, but I expect to be able to change that, at least in dev mode18:09
djszapiexpect to change the expected ?18:09
djszapiAlso, TMPDIR=/var/tmp should work.18:10
sixtus42djszapi: unfortunately no18:10
djszapiworks for me, go figure out why not18:11
sixtus42djszapi: because the process is ignoring it?18:12
djszapiit does not here ?18:12
djszapiusing the N950 with the beta2 image right now for testing..18:12
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sixtus42djszapi: well, the kernel needs to read the /tmp size from somewhere in the boot process, do you know where that is?18:16
sixtus42djszapi: /tmp seems hardcoded, trying to grep my problem maker18:17
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djszapiif you need help, first try to write the steps for reproducing.18:20
djszapiit might be that you should not exceed the tmp space..18:20
djszapiso the error is somewhere else, and that is why it is needed reported in more details from A-Z.18:20
sixtus42well, I am compiling on the device, because the cross compile is broken. I am very well aware of /tmp being to small, but back in the days I solved it by a remount. Now root can't do that anymore on more current releases.18:21
djszapias I said of course.18:21
sixtus42djszapi: which part of "/tmp is too small for what I want to do with it" is not enough?18:21
djszapihow did they make the platform if the cross compile is broken ? :)18:21
djszapiwell, it was enough for a whole bunch of platform developers and external developers so far18:22
djszapiso mentioning the steps to reproduce is really minimum.18:22
sixtus42djszapi: the package is not included in harmattan, in fact it's not even my target platform, it's just what I have available for arm-based compile18:22
djszapimany packages were not available on Harmattan, but we did not build 300+ packages in the community repository on the device.18:23
djszapianyways, I cannot help since I cannot reproduce it, and tmp envvar basically works as expected.18:24
sixtus42djszapi: copy more than 8mb into /tmp18:25
djszapiwhy would I do that ?18:26
djszapi(although, as said, works here)18:26
sixtus42djszapi: you manage to copy more than 8mb into /tmp?18:26
djszapicopy to TMPVAR, that is18:26
djszapisince that is what I said 20 minutes ago.18:27
sixtus42djszapi: is this hidden camera? I told you, my package is ignoring that var18:27
djszapiyour package should not ignore that18:27
djszapiif it needs more than tmp size.18:27
sixtus42djszapi: you are very helpful. At least your email starts with ext-18:28
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djszapiThere are actually several tmpfs filesystems. $TMPDIR points to /var/tmp which is in root, if you are running out of space in /var/tmp you are running out of space in / and you are out of luck.18:32
djszapimount -o remount,rw,noatime,size=5192k -t tmpfs none /tmp -> What is the output of this ?18:33
sixtus42mount: permission denied (are you root?) (and yes I am)18:34
sixtus42djszapi: and I am running out of space on /tmp which is a tmpfs18:34
sixtus42djszapi: 2.1G left on /18:35
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djszapisixtus42: yes permission denied what you need to get.18:48
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djszapisixtus42: I am unfortunately gone for the weekend, but feel free to ping my on Monday, if it is still ongoing.18:48
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sixtus42djszapi: have a nice weekend18:49
djszapibtw, what is the output of "grep tmp /proc/mounts" ?18:49
sixtus42djszapi: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,noatime,size=4096k 0 018:50
sixtus42(among others)18:50
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djszapiplease paste the whole.18:51
sixtus42# grep tmp /proc/mounts18:51
sixtus42devtmpfs /dev devtmpfs rw,relatime,size=245632k,nr_inodes=61408,mode=755 0 018:51
sixtus42tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,noatime,size=4096k 0 018:51
sixtus42tmpfs /var/run tmpfs rw,nosuid,noatime,size=512k 0 018:51
sixtus42none /dev tmpfs rw,noatime,size=10240k,mode=755 0 018:51
sixtus42tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,size=65536k 0 018:51
sixtus42tmpfs /home/user/MyDocs tmpfs ro,relatime,size=512k 0 018:51
sixtus42djszapi: the source of that doesn't seem to be /etc/fstab - I am happy to change it somewhere and reboot ;-)18:52
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djszapithe output sounds reasonable. I do not have right now any other ideas than fixing TMPVAR or change your workflow, if that is possible.18:54
djszapiyou could fix it up by using security holes, but that is not ethical :p18:56
sixtus42well, like I said, TMPVAR is ignored.18:57
sixtus42djszapi: got a 0-day for me?18:57
sixtus42djszapi: otherwise what's the newest firmware that still let's root remount /tmp ?18:57
djszapisixtus42: sorry, but no time.18:58
djszapiI am glad to help on Monday.18:58
sixtus42djszapi: sure18:58
* sixtus42 week's goal slipping because of fricken /tmp :-/18:58
djszapiSYS_ADMIN what needs be there for mounting18:58
djszapiand that is achievable from OVI18:59
djszapiso use develsh ?18:59
djszapiohh, sorry, that is net_admin, not sys*18:59
sixtus42djszapi: not really following… something I should apt-get?19:00
sixtus42develsh is already installed19:00
djszapishort answer: you cannot remount, even from develsh.19:00
sixtus42and where is the mount information stored? must be somewhere19:01
djszapihave a nice weekend19:04
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RST38hFun, fun:
RST38hWelcome to cloud computing, folks :)19:18
Corsac btw, is the lack of desktop and widgets on Harmattan a problem for people which have been able to test it?19:18
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faenilback :)19:29
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rantomCorsac: No, not for me at least. I did use some widgets in Maemo but since I started to use CE (that'd be in April) I've seen no real reason to miss those19:32
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rantomCorsac: Same applies to desktops19:32
rayyenanyone tried the "open" kernel on the N9 yet?19:34
Corsacon my desktops I have various shortcuts to apps (which I won't miss too much if I can organize the main menu), calendar events (are they available easily?), quick contacts (does it exist) and direct connect to some wireless networks, info about ip address, weather ec.19:37
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rantomWell one screen of swipe is apps only19:38
rantomOther than that no19:39
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rantomI'd like to see calendar events integrated to the Feeds-view though, don't know why those aren't19:39
rantomCorsac: If you can try the N919:39
Corsacwell, it's not even sold in my country, so if I buy it it'll have to be using side channels19:43
Corsacso “trying” looks like a bit impossible from here19:43
rantomThat's why I said if19:43
CorsacI would have liked to test the n950, especially for aegis, but eh, as I didn't really intended to make apps, I wasn't exactly a priority19:44
rantomCorsac: checked that yet?19:44
SpeedEvilRST38h: get with the program old man! Files are outdated, the cloud is the future!19:44
CorsacI'm not a random lurker, I know the device, I just lack the insider knowledge :)19:45
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rantomBut in general: no, no widgets, no shortcuts to people/etc. You can make links to sites though19:45
rantomAnd those appear as "apps"19:45
macmaNword up, waiting for new fw now19:45
rantomI posted  a link earlier19:46
Corsacare apps .desktop files? It might be possible to put contacts there19:46
macmaNrantom: yeah #n950 on twitter is ablaze with the retweets :>19:47
macmaNam i seeing correctly, 34-2 has already been removed19:48
rantommacmaN: @nokianewscom19:48
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rantomWhy would they remove 34-2?19:49
rantomUpgrading to new fw requires that (beta2, if I recall right)19:49
macmaNyeah got it19:50
macmaNi used to be able to find it with their search thing19:50
rantomAnd again.
macmaNand my bookmarked url failed too19:51
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macmaNnot important anyway19:51
macmaNjust hopefully itll get here soon19:51
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faenilI guess what's the point of releasing news with the soon word in it...20:24
faenilIt's okay if you ask someone about it, and he doesn't know the right day, and he says "soon" or something like that20:25
faenilbut what's the purpose of publishing news saying "this will come soon"...20:25
faenilit makes some people 1/2 angry, and most people 2 angry...20:25
rantomfaenil: I understand but I'd guess it was this time because of: "So, if you have not done it already, update to Beta2 now using the OneClickFlashers."20:28
faenilcould be...but you could just do both of them at the same time..20:28
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rantomOr simply getting the hype up20:29
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artemmajust got official news about new N950 firmware coming "soon" started worrying21:36
artemmain Nokia terms such an announcement typically means a month at least21:37
artemmahopefully that is going to be an exception21:37
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* artemma sees some N9 sales of his apps in ovi store - not just N950 anymore. Just BTW :)21:38
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SpeedEvilartemma: Congrats? What are they?21:41
infobotSpeedEvil meant: artemma: Congrats! What are they?21:41
artemmawell, actually there's just one for now ;)21:44
artemmago to ovi store and choose top sellers for N9 biz apps - mine is the very top seller there21:45
artemmaand 4th place for all the apps21:45
artemmathis one -
artemmathat doesn't translate in lots of money unfortunately and makes me wonder how many purchase guys behind me have :)21:46
artemmaso if you are interested I am still in big needs of reviews and rates ;)21:46
artemmathat helps the momentum at the moment of the device sales start21:46
artemmaheh, unfortunately most of developers are totally not the target market, so it's hard to promote in the crowds I am usually talking with21:47
SpeedEvilAlas, trying to make the pennies squeak at the moment.21:47
artemmawhat's yours, SpeedEvil ?21:48
SpeedEvilOh - no apps.21:48
SpeedEvilI mean - saving cash, so not purchasing apps.21:48
DocScrutinizerour apps are not compatible with OVU ;-P21:48
SpeedEvilI've found I've gotten lots better at maths since I went on a diet.21:48
SpeedEvil(multiply 65*2.5)21:49
SpeedEvil(small slice of bread * calories/gram)21:49
artemmaDocScrutinizer: u start talking like @fakeselop :)21:49
SpeedEvilI would be interested in a diet tracking app.21:49
SpeedEvilIdeally it'd post to livestrong.21:50
SpeedEvilThe protocol is quite simple.21:50
artemma"our apps are not compatible with OVU " this kind of phrases is what @fakeselop talks usually21:50
SpeedEvilThere are interesting apps that can't be done at all in OVI21:50
DocScrutinizerwell, then I got no f'ing clue who's @fakeselop21:50
artemmaSpeedEvil: I am sure there's an app for diet tracking on iPhone. N9 is for geeks for now ;)21:50
SpeedEvilIndeed. But I have no iphone.21:51
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artemmafunny and painful jokes about nokia actions21:51
DocScrutinizerbut the fact that H-E-N9 isn't compatible with OVI is immutable, no matter what or who is @fakeselop21:51
ieatlintother than the obvious poultry comment, wtf is that?21:53
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DocScrutinizerHostmode Enabler N921:54
artemmaDocScrutinizer: that's the point about fakeselop: he tells the painful truth :)21:54
ieatlintah, yeah21:55
ieatlintdiscovered that the cheapest i can find for an n9 64gb edition is a mere $817.27AUD plus ~$45 shipping21:56
SpeedEvilThe truth is sometimes painful to hear.21:56
SpeedEvilEspecially when you have a habit of setting fire to your genitals.21:56
ieatlinti like the phone, but i'm really not sure i want to drop a year's supply of beer on it21:56
SpeedEvilIt's not waterproof.21:56
ieatlintmy genitals are, actually21:57
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GeneralAntillesBoo, Nokia.22:16
ieatlintget excited, nokia is holding an event next thursday to introduce people to devel on wp722:20
ajalkaneah, good old wp722:21
ieatlintsoon you'll need win7 and zune in order to make apps22:22
ajalkaneI'm so excited about the wp7 phones.22:22
ieatlintand with the new release for wp7, you can now actually open network sockets!22:22
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ajalkaneI heard it can almost multitask too22:23
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, as in "Boo! Hiss!"22:23
ajalkaneI got so excited about wp7 phones that I'm gonna get up from bed and drink some beer.22:26
macmaNanother kitten saved by a broadcom wifi going out to trash, atheros going in22:27
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piggzhow can i quicly get a MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN ?23:34
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piggzah, just include qplatformdefs23:41
artemmato go out or not to go out?23:56
* artemma really wants to finish next app this weekend, but one beer won't hurt, right?23:57

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