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artemma | "dh_installdeb: command returned error code" | 00:31 |
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artemma | what could it be? | 00:31 |
* artemma was trying to follow the docs on creatong SyncFW plugin | 00:31 | |
artemma | everything complies, but package fails to be built | 00:31 |
artemma | find: -printf: unknown option | 00:31 |
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artemma | funny. Recreating the project and pretty much retyping stuff helped | 00:50 |
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ieatlint | i had that issue, was caused by adding an extra file for deployment | 01:00 |
ieatlint | didn't get a good solution | 01:00 |
artemma | funny | 01:00 |
ieatlint | i sure thought so | 01:00 |
artemma | hmm, I can't get my files deployed to /etc/sync/ | 01:02 |
ieatlint | yeah, i had the issue when trying to get a file into /etc/init/apps | 01:02 |
artemma | trying to fix it I got same error again :) | 01:02 |
artemma | what "cured" the problem was that I was trying to deploy unexisting file (second project was example2 yet I was trying to deploy example1.xml) | 01:04 |
artemma | when I corrected .pro file to point at real file, I started getting packaging errors again | 01:04 |
artemma | is there something wrong with that: | 01:04 |
artemma | client.path = /etc/sync/profiles/client | 01:04 |
artemma | client.files = xml/example2.xml | 01:04 |
ieatlint | i've also seen it as client.sources = xml/example2.xml, i'm not sure off hand what the difference is, and don't think it'll make a difference in solving the error | 01:09 |
artemma | lemme try.. | 01:09 |
artemma | wow | 01:10 |
artemma | it fixed | 01:10 |
artemma | well, it built the package | 01:10 |
artemma | checking if it actually deployed anything | 01:10 |
artemma | no, it didn't :) | 01:10 |
ieatlint | yeah, i see, for INSTALLS you use blah.files, for DEPLOYMENT you use blah.sources | 01:11 |
artemma | I don't reallt know the difference | 01:11 |
ieatlint | i recall in my testing, "blah.path = /etc" and "blah.sources = file" and "DEPLOYMENT += blah" did nothing on harmattan | 01:12 |
ieatlint | ah, and referencing the docs, i see why now "This is only used on Windows CE and the Symbian platform." :) | 01:12 |
* artemma is googling for .pro examples with INSTALLS | 01:15 | |
ieatlint | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qmake-environment-reference.html#installs has the reference info | 01:15 |
artemma | looks correct.. | 01:16 |
artemma | I also don't see my xml in the debian folder in the build dir | 01:16 |
artemma | so apparently it is not even coming to .deb | 01:17 |
ieatlint | perhaps it's not a format error and is just a bug in the sdk | 01:18 |
ieatlint | it is reporting an issue with the find utility missing a flag | 01:18 |
artemma | I still need to deploy my library's xml somehow :) | 01:18 |
artemma | find error is different | 01:19 |
artemma | oh no, it's the same | 01:19 |
artemma | damned | 01:20 |
artemma | how do i deploy then | 01:20 |
artemma | ? | 01:20 |
* artemma is trying to read the makefile | 01:21 | |
artemma | xml file is mentioned in makefile | 01:22 |
ieatlint | looking at the dh_installdeb included in the sdk... line 83 is the problem | 01:23 |
ieatlint | and the issue only exists with files going into /etc | 01:23 |
artemma | oho | 01:23 |
artemma | wow | 01:23 |
ieatlint | tries to run "find $tmp/etc -type f -printf '/etc/%P\n' >> $tmp/DEBIAN/conffiles" | 01:23 |
ieatlint | and fails on the -printf switch | 01:23 |
ieatlint | which means the version of find it's using is not valid for that... although i can't seem to locate the find it uses | 01:24 |
artemma | I fail to understand what it's doing | 01:25 |
artemma | ah.. looks like script believe that everything going to /etc is conffiles | 01:26 |
artemma | and needs some kind of special handling | 01:26 |
ieatlint | yep | 01:26 |
artemma | and then maybe this %P is unknown argument | 01:27 |
artemma | find: -printf: unknown option | 01:27 |
ieatlint | the version of find it has is missing the -printf entirely | 01:27 |
ieatlint | busybox perhaps | 01:28 |
artemma | well, it happens during the build process | 01:28 |
artemma | so maybe it's using desktops find | 01:28 |
ieatlint | you could hack the script (which is a bad idea), or try to fix find (which is the better way to fix it, but still not the best idea) | 01:28 |
artemma | though probably one from cross-compiler environment | 01:28 |
ieatlint | nah, no cross compiler there | 01:28 |
artemma | well, madbin folder does contain find | 01:29 |
ieatlint | huh, mine doesn't | 01:29 |
ieatlint | i'm on a different system than i had this trouble though... was on osx, am now on my linux laptop | 01:29 |
ieatlint | are you on osx or windows? | 01:29 |
artemma | osx | 01:29 |
ieatlint | the base system version of find on osx does support -printf | 01:30 |
ieatlint | try renaming find in that dir, and then doing "ln -s `which find` ." and retrying the build | 01:30 |
ieatlint | i bet it works :P | 01:30 |
artemma | if i just run "find -printf" it's not recognized | 01:30 |
artemma | no | 01:31 |
artemma | there's no find in madde | 01:31 |
artemma | I was looking at some wrong place | 01:31 |
artemma | no find madbin | 01:32 |
artemma | no find in madbin | 01:32 |
artemma | and no find in the whole QtSDK folder | 01:32 |
artemma | then it must be using the system one | 01:32 |
ieatlint | ah, yeah, indeed | 01:33 |
ieatlint | and it appears find on osx is missing the -printf option | 01:33 |
ieatlint | so that's the issue, you need to get a version of find that does support it, or hack the script | 01:33 |
artemma | i just tried running nearly same find line in the terminal | 01:34 |
artemma | fails as well | 01:34 |
artemma | Artem-Marchenkos-MacBook-Pro:tmp artem$ find $tmp/etc -type f -printf '/etc/%P\n' >> 123.txt | 01:34 |
artemma | find: -printf: unknown option | 01:34 |
* artemma goes to macports for seach | 01:34 | |
artemma | but I'll report bug first while it's fresh in my memory | 01:36 |
ieatlint | yeah, bug would be good there | 01:36 |
ieatlint | it's a specific to osx issue, heh | 01:37 |
ieatlint | go osx | 01:37 |
artemma | problem is I am not really good with makefiles and packaging in general, but I'll try my best | 01:37 |
ieatlint | without testing this at all, i suspect this would work: "find $tmp/etc -type f | sed s:$tmp:: >> $tmp/DEBIAN/conffiles" | 01:38 |
artemma | it doesn't crash in command line at least | 01:39 |
artemma | heh, pretty difficult to fix stuff you don't understand | 01:39 |
artemma | especially in important scripts | 01:39 |
ieatlint | i spend every day at work doing that :( | 01:39 |
ieatlint | try that, if it works, include it as a fix in your bug report | 01:39 |
* artemma is trying to choose the correct component | 01:40 | |
ieatlint | although maybe "find $tmp/etc -type f | sed s/$tmp//" to be more generic sed | 01:40 |
artemma | closest to build system is "Build tools: moc" | 01:40 |
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artemma | submitted | 01:45 |
artemma | you can vote at https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-21908 | 01:45 |
* artemma is googling on how to install to osx find that can understand -printf | 01:46 | |
ieatlint | ah, did you confirm the solution with sed worked? | 01:47 |
artemma | I am too afraid to modify build scripts before searching for alternatives | 01:47 |
artemma | I can only confirm that if you run that one line on command line it doesn't crash | 01:48 |
ieatlint | ok :P | 01:48 |
artemma | ok, macports knows findutils and it seems to contain GNUish find that understands -printf | 01:48 |
artemma | trying it now | 01:49 |
artemma | I was instsalling lots of stuff with macports, but never tried installing alternatives to existing tools | 01:49 |
artemma | will see how they'll coexist and learn how to switch between them | 01:49 |
artemma | ok, macports installed proper find to /opt/local/libexec/gnubin | 01:54 |
artemma | now how to make it shadow the system one | 01:54 |
artemma | export path should work for terminal, but will QtCreator pick it up? | 01:55 |
ieatlint | ok, i can confirm the concept behind my patch works, however it needs to changed slightly | 01:55 |
ieatlint | using / caused issues because $tmp included a /, and using : caused issues as well... :P | 01:56 |
ieatlint | but if i used - (sed s-$tmp--) it worked... but that seems messy :) | 01:59 |
ieatlint | perhaps sed s*$tmp**, as * is an illegal char that should never be in a path | 02:00 |
artemma | we are talking about a proper fix here | 02:00 |
artemma | that is great definitely | 02:00 |
artemma | however I am more after workaround for right now :) | 02:01 |
artemma | and gnu find should be good enough for me | 02:01 |
artemma | wthout touching system scripts | 02:01 |
ieatlint | yeah, i don't like the idea of replacing system utilities... the proper way to solve the bug is to remove gnu-specific requirements and use posix-compliant only | 02:02 |
artemma | true | 02:02 |
artemma | i hope this is the way they'll fix it | 02:03 |
npm | how does one get events from the headset "button" in QML? | 02:03 |
artemma | I'd look at QtMobility | 02:04 |
artemma | and probably valuespace stuff | 02:04 |
artemma | or maybe service framework | 02:04 |
artemma | on Symbian it would be ValueSpace most certainly | 02:04 |
artemma | not sure abt harmattan | 02:04 |
DocScrutinizer | same problem as with any wired headset: to get any signal from the buttons you need to enable micbias voltage for power supply | 02:05 |
DocScrutinizer | which usually isn't done (for power conservation reasons) unless alsa/whatever enables headset mic for audio input | 02:06 |
DocScrutinizer | this btw applies for the simple one-button short-mic-to-GND scheme as well as for the multibutton-headset serial protocol that's obviously supported by N950/harmattan | 02:09 |
* artemma set PATH in environment.plist and logs out/in to activate Let's see if both command line and QtCreator pick it up | 02:09 | |
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merlin1991 | any cmake gurus in here? | 02:10 |
merlin1991 | I tried to get cmake in harmattan scratchbox to make an out of source build | 02:10 |
merlin1991 | docs say to invoke cmake from another dir with path to the source dir | 02:10 |
merlin1991 | but cmake kept polluting the source tree with the build files | 02:11 |
merlin1991 | also setting the binary path settings and other stuff didn't get it to crete the build files outside the source tree | 02:11 |
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npm | DocScrutinizer: i'm recording from headset mic successfully, so power is enabled. just want the headset button to start/stop recordings for my app | 02:43 |
npm | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-example-musicplayer.html?tab=3&kw=multimedia headset&sp=all&sa=0 <-- example for media keys on symbian | 02:44 |
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npm | unfortunately the mediakeysobserver.cpp is a No-op because it only defines stuff when its symbian -- based onhttp://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/TSS000432_-_Utilising_media_keys | 02:46 |
npm | so is there no QML/harmattan way of accessing this headset button? | 02:46 |
DocScrutinizer | npm: afaik there's a sysfs node to read out the simple short-to-GND of one-button headsets, also a kobj/kevent notification. No idea about QML, but somebody claimed he successfully did read the multibutton events - no diea which method he used for that | 02:48 |
npm | supposedly the panucci player does. | 02:51 |
npm | i just can't figure out where it does it | 02:51 |
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thp | npm: the headset code is in https://github.com/xerxes2/panucci/blob/master/src/panucci/dbusinterface.py | 03:12 |
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thp | npm: also, see http://repo.or.cz/w/panucci.git?a=search&h=HEAD&st=grep&s=headset_device | 03:13 |
npm | thanks thp | 03:27 |
npm | that all looks hairy enough that i'll add it as a feature in some future rev.... now that i've got ' HEADSET_PATH = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_retu_headset_logicaldev_input'' my google searches for C++ or QML code willl be easier :-) | 03:28 |
npm | seems like there should be a generic QML way of talking to dbus devices like that | 03:29 |
* npm was looking for/hoping for a "one liner" QML feature... must get back to implementing the unimplemented hard ones first | 03:31 | |
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* npm finally finds http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qmsystem2/classMeeGo_1_1QmKeys.html (again) | 04:10 | |
npm | alas MeeGo::QmKeys::getKeyState() doesn't generate events so you'd have to poll? | 04:11 |
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berndhs | says it sends signals | 04:15 |
npm | thanks berndhs for reading more carefully | 04:21 |
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berndhs | anything to avoid people polling :) | 04:22 |
npm | i was actually back to twiddling my delegate in ListView ... i think the mic button is a feature for next rev ... | 04:23 |
SpeedEvil | Does the underlying architecture poll thogh | 04:25 |
berndhs | this is for keyboard slider, volume button and other low life hardware objects | 04:27 |
berndhs | seems unlikely the hardware would poll for that | 04:27 |
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SpeedEvil | the hardware - no | 04:46 |
SpeedEvil | typically there will be an interrupt | 04:46 |
SpeedEvil | Does the driver and middleware properly expose that interrupt, or does it poll | 04:46 |
berndhs | yeah, that depends on what kind of people write the driver and middleware :) | 04:48 |
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MohammadAG | woo, N950 in Israel, with a "Clearance delay" | 09:03 |
Stskeeps | woo | 09:05 |
DocScrutinizer | clearance delay, hah | 09:09 |
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Nathanael_Anders | Hey, anyone know what replaced QAbstractKineticScroller in Harmattan? I still see it in the 4.7 docs but it appears to be non-existant in Harmattan SDK. | 09:52 |
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trx | you can use it for non qml components | 10:08 |
trx | (eg. only widget based) | 10:08 |
trx | and it works fine | 10:08 |
Nathanael_Anders | I have some code I'm trying to convert from Maemo, and QAbstractKineticScroller is not a valid component apparently in Harmatten. | 10:08 |
trx | for qml components, there is Scroller | 10:08 |
trx | or Flickable, cant remember from my head | 10:09 |
trx | google one of those | 10:09 |
Nathanael_Anders | 4.8 has QScroller; but I can't seem to find anything for 4.7 (Flickable is qml) | 10:11 |
ieatlint | take a look at mtf widgets, i think there's something there for that | 10:13 |
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trx | you can't mix qt and qml for visual components like that | 10:14 |
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ieatlint | you can actually, but it's not ideal, and not necessary here | 10:15 |
ieatlint | he wants a qt widget based solution | 10:15 |
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ieatlint | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta2/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/libmeegotouch/class_m_pannable_viewport.html might do it | 10:15 |
ieatlint | although i guess that doesn't take a regular widget | 10:16 |
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iekku | hi | 11:13 |
vladest | hi | 11:16 |
vladest | n9 released in russia. any plans to update fw on n950? | 11:16 |
dm8tbr | moaning | 11:18 |
dm8tbr | vladest: ask nokia | 11:18 |
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vladest | may be some1 heard something | 11:19 |
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ieatlint | the n9 ships with 34-1, and i don't think has any updates yet | 11:41 |
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artemma | On OS X I installed findutils (trying to fix issue with packaging scripts expecting GNU find) and that somehow broke all toolchains. Now even SDK maintenance tells "You need a C++ compiler to be able to install the SDK". Uninstallation of findutils didn't help. | 12:18 |
artemma | Do you know where/how SDK maintenance (and other parts of Qt) actually look for compilers? I can see them pretty well in the command line. | 12:18 |
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mja | morning guys | 12:26 |
faenil | morning :) | 12:26 |
mja | when swiping away my app/game, is there a signal for that? | 12:26 |
artemma | there was some kind of deactivated signal somewhere | 12:27 |
faenil | exactly | 12:27 |
mja | 'cause currently the music that's playing keeps playing even when the program is minimised | 12:27 |
faenil | the window gets "deactivated" | 12:27 |
mja | so was wondering if there indeed is a activated/deactivated signal | 12:28 |
faenil | just look at the Qml demos you have on the phne | 12:28 |
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artemma | on Symbian there is foreground property in Symbian component, but I think I've seen something cross-platfrom as well | 12:29 |
artemma | if your UI is built on Pages you can work around it by examining status property of the Page | 12:30 |
artemma | oh no, it will probably be active even if page is behind other apps | 12:31 |
mja | I've only got qml for the main menu | 12:31 |
mja | everything else is c++/graphicsview | 12:31 |
faenil | I don't know how to do that without using components.. | 12:32 |
ieatlint | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Application_development_framework/Application_lifecycle_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK | 12:32 |
mja | but I'll just send the app as it is to Store and see what the QA peeps say :) | 12:32 |
faenil | :D | 12:32 |
ieatlint | that page tells you how to determine if you're in the foreground/background/task switcher | 12:32 |
faenil | exactly that's what I was talking about, but does it work without using components? | 12:33 |
ieatlint | nope | 12:33 |
mja | no, it's only for qml and Harmattan components | 12:33 |
artemma | aha, I recalled! | 12:33 |
artemma | Qt.application | 12:33 |
artemma | examine its active property | 12:34 |
artemma | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-qt.html#application-prop | 12:34 |
ieatlint | if you watch the QWidget and look at the event fields, you can get some of the info | 12:34 |
mja | thanks guys, this is useful information! | 12:35 |
mja | (can't be arsed to look into event handlers just for this though unless my app gets rejected;) | 12:36 |
iekku | hmmm, is that common attitude? "just send my app and wait QA to test it" | 12:40 |
mja | yes | 12:40 |
iekku | i see | 12:40 |
mja | ;) | 12:40 |
artemma | depends on what your app is doing, but if it's just a single screen qml game it's pretty hard to fail QA :) | 12:40 |
mja | no, it only uses qml for the main menu | 12:41 |
iekku | :nod: | 12:41 |
gri | I wonder if they really find out what my app does :P | 12:41 |
artemma | unless you mess up with the meta data such as correct version number everywhere and e.g. forget to include About page | 12:41 |
mja | then switches to c++ when the game starts | 12:41 |
mja | if it was qml only, it would be easy to pause music when minimising the game | 12:41 |
iekku | not sure how much qa tests the "outside" apps | 12:42 |
artemma | If you *are* interested, documents in ovi store are quite detailed about testing | 12:42 |
artemma | I don't think they explain exactly everything, but a lot | 12:42 |
iekku | artemma, i work as a error manager for the ovi-store | 12:42 |
artemma | :) | 12:43 |
artemma | then you know better | 12:43 |
mja | Isn't it just "Store" | 12:43 |
Arkenoi | *suddenly* my devel-sh stopped running arbitrary binaries. what could be possible reason? | 12:43 |
* artemma hopes that Elop will be fired before ovi store is fully rebranding and then I won't have to learn the new name | 12:43 | |
artemma | *rebranded* | 12:44 |
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iekku | mja, i think so, i'm just old fashion | 12:48 |
gri | Did anyone here ever try to contact picker? I've some reparenting problems with it | 12:53 |
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gri | Since you have to show the contact picker via D-Bus and give your window handle as first parameter, this works fine. Switcher shows contact picker over my application. When closing the picker, switcher goes back to minimized state instead of my application :( | 12:54 |
MohammadAG | mja, QEvent::WindowDeactivate or something | 13:18 |
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mja | MohammadAG: Cheers, I'll have a look. I already implemented a touch event handler in the game so shouldn't be too difficult | 13:29 |
artemma | Does anybody know where Qt SDK Maintenance (and other parts of Qt) look for compiler? | 13:37 |
artemma | I managed to break my toolchains yesterday by installing findutils and can't fix stuff | 13:37 |
artemma | from command line gcc works | 13:37 |
artemma | trying to reinstall XCode now (Mac OS X issue) | 13:40 |
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gri | artemma, XCode for Qt use?! | 13:48 |
artemma | that is required on Mac OS X | 13:49 |
artemma | well, if you cross-compile for mobiles only, maybe there is way to go without xcode | 13:49 |
artemma | but for Mac builds you can't go arounf xcode | 13:49 |
gri | I mean I have XCode installed but never started it for Qt development | 13:49 |
artemma | gri, it is started somehow implicitly | 13:50 |
artemma | not the XCode IDE, but some of its tools | 13:50 |
artemma | c++ compiler maybe | 13:50 |
gri | Sure, the compiler comes with XCode :) | 13:50 |
artemma | so the thing is that apparently macports changed some system variables and now QT Creator is not able to locate the compiler | 13:51 |
artemma | and uninstallation of findutils didn't help | 13:51 |
artemma | I examined what I knew about PATH definition on Mac and couldn't find anything wrong | 13:51 |
artemma | but my experience in system stuff is quite poort | 13:52 |
artemma | poor | 13:52 |
artemma | right now I am finishing XCode reinstallation, let's see if it helps | 13:52 |
* gri finds mac more confusing than linux :) | 13:52 | |
* artemma starts being sad that he didn't buy external HDD for Time Machine. Automatic restore would be so useful right now | 13:53 | |
artemma | and in parallel I am upgrading Qt SDK in my Wndows virtual machine :) | 13:53 |
gri | Well, mine complains it was not able to backup since May 9th. Forgot to attach the hdd since that | 13:53 |
artemma | I do want to finish app before N9 sales start even if it means surrending to virtual windows | 13:53 |
gri | I usally use a Windows Laptop with Ubuntu in a VirtualBox vm for development ? but I had to send it in last week :/ | 13:54 |
artemma | gri, that's the point. I thought about same situation and decided not to but HDD. The real *solution* would be to buy Apple Time Capsule, but that's way more expensive | 13:54 |
Arkenoi | hmm, n9 sales already started? i was on the party last thursday | 13:54 |
artemma | not everywhere | 13:55 |
artemma | I think only in Switzerland and somewhere else | 13:55 |
artemma | mass sales start is Oct 13 | 13:55 |
Arkenoi | Russia | 13:55 |
artemma | in Finland for sure | 13:55 |
artemma | ok, then I am late already :) | 13:55 |
artemma | xcode reinstallation didn't help :( | 13:56 |
artemma | though maybe it needs reboot as well | 13:56 |
* Arkenoi wonders if any more changes will be in aegis in new firmware releases.. and if i will be able to run arbitrary binaries even with devel-sh or not | 13:56 | |
artemma | fck! where does Qt search for C++ compiler?!! | 13:57 |
mja | artemma: would SDK reinstall solve your problem? | 13:58 |
artemma | tried already, didn't help | 13:58 |
artemma | well, sdk installer itself tells it can't find c++ compiler and asks to install xcode | 13:58 |
artemma | you can ignore it, but then toolchains don't work | 13:58 |
artemma | a | 13:58 |
mja | ach.. sorry to hear that | 13:58 |
artemma | nd even some installation steps fail | 13:58 |
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mja | Hm expansys lists N9 for £519 | 14:03 |
mja | no availability information though | 14:04 |
artemma | OH! | 14:04 |
artemma | I can start SDK maintenance and I guess anything else just fine from the command line! | 14:04 |
artemma | So it is definitely about some environment variables | 14:04 |
artemma | Maybe I destroyed/corrupted launchd.conf or something like this | 14:05 |
artemma | that is fixed later by shell's .profile | 14:05 |
artemma | gosh, how to fix it the proper way then.. | 14:05 |
artemma | updating SDK now, let's how well it will fix corruption. At least I have a workaround for now - I can start everything from the command line | 14:07 |
* artemma expects a good part of a day to be wasted on many redownloads.. | 14:09 | |
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MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ping ping ping | 14:16 |
DocScrutinizer | WUT? | 14:17 |
MohammadAG | wasn't package-manager closed source? | 14:17 |
MohammadAG | cause apt-get source-ing it works | 14:17 |
DocScrutinizer | err, dunno | 14:17 |
DocScrutinizer | gimme a unique filename to search for in my daily mirror | 14:18 |
MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, wasn't package-manager's tar something that only appeared only google's cache? | 14:19 |
MohammadAG | although it was 150MBs, not 15 | 14:19 |
DocScrutinizer | yes, some 120MB tar (or sth like that) with allegedly several pkg-manager tools in it IIRC | 14:19 |
MohammadAG | anyway, new kernel's on the repos | 14:20 |
DocScrutinizer | wow | 14:20 |
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MohammadAG | at least I think so, 362 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. | 14:20 |
MohammadAG | Need to get 543MB of archives. | 14:20 |
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders which was a proper wget cmd for that | 14:21 | |
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MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta2/free/k/kernel/ | 14:23 |
DocScrutinizer | mhm, so my http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool mirror should catch it, good | 14:24 |
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djszapi | ~seen wazd | 14:29 |
infobot | wazd <~wazd@188.123.241.176> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 9d 3h 47m 47s ago, saying: 'heya'. | 14:29 |
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DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yup, in beta2 there's a lot more about package-manager than in beta | 14:34 |
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DocScrutinizer | [jr@lagrange ~]$ find nokia/harmattan-dev.nokia.com_2011-10-08 -name '*manager*'|grep package-manager|wc -l | 14:35 |
DocScrutinizer | 39 | 14:35 |
DocScrutinizer | [jr@lagrange ~]$ find nokia/harmattan-dev.nokia.com_2011-08-12 -name '*manager*'|grep package-manager|wc -l | 14:35 |
DocScrutinizer | 3 | 14:35 |
MohammadAG | look for aegis related sources | 14:36 |
DocScrutinizer | why? aegis been free from beginning, no? | 14:41 |
MohammadAG | really? then what stops it being replaced? | 14:42 |
DocScrutinizer | the dependencies to TPM which isn't available in open mode? the refusal of old NOLO to load unsigned kernels? | 14:43 |
faenil | nice, I get "multiple definition of main" on harmattan, but it compiles and runs ok in windows... | 14:52 |
faenil | any idea? | 14:53 |
faenil | I have only 1 main, ofc.. | 14:55 |
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faenil | I think my harmattan target is screwed... | 15:01 |
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DocScrutinizer | also all those friggin daily rsyncs now suddenly bitt | 15:23 |
DocScrutinizer | bite out 30GB of my disk storage | 15:23 |
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DocScrutinizer | fwiw -> http://paste.debian.net/135205/ size := amount of changes (aka files that aren't hardlinked to the recent base image) | 15:41 |
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djszapi | faenil: can you paste your code ? | 16:16 |
faenil | too long :) | 16:17 |
faenil | but I have only one main... | 16:17 |
faenil | I think the problem is caused by the updater failing the update process multiple times.. | 16:17 |
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djszapi | make a workhorse which reproduces the isuse | 16:19 |
djszapi | issue* | 16:19 |
faenil | unistalling sdk and reinstalling newer version atm | 16:20 |
faenil | I'll try if that doesn't solve the issue | 16:20 |
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rayyen | on device development on the N9 is it possible? Any special repo? | 16:23 |
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djszapi | rayyen: no, there is no gcc on the device | 16:24 |
rayyen | no chance of having gcc "ported" or added using a community repo? or something? | 16:25 |
rcg | rayyen: well, at least you can do some QML hacking on the device.. | 16:27 |
djszapi | gcc would not be enough | 16:27 |
rcg | just put your QML files at some place in the filesystem instead of .qrc stuff | 16:27 |
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rayyen | didnt the N900 have development repos? with gcc and such things? Or have I just made that up? :P | 16:32 |
rayyen | although n900 was maemo.. but anyway. :P | 16:33 |
djszapi | Harmattan is also mameo | 16:34 |
djszapi | maemo* | 16:34 |
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rayyen | djszapi, so its pretty much up to nokia if they decide to release extra repositories? As far as I understand thats what they did for the n900..? | 16:36 |
djszapi | what do you mean ? We already have a community repository. | 16:36 |
djszapi | You miss it from the default configuration and operation ? | 16:36 |
MohammadAG | just add the SDK repo | 16:38 |
rayyen | Thanks | 16:45 |
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djszapi | rayyen: note, gcc is not enough since you need to package the things. | 16:46 |
djszapi | you might need dpkg-dev, too | 16:46 |
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rayyen | djszapi, thanks :) | 16:51 |
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faenil | my package doesn't get installed on n950, dependency problem reported...when can I get more details? | 18:59 |
djszapi | Could you please paste the output ? | 18:59 |
faenil | buy maybe I know why :) beta2 target on beta1 fw.. | 18:59 |
djszapi | lol | 18:59 |
faenil | :P | 18:59 |
faenil | that must be it | 18:59 |
faenil | anyway, djszapi, problem with the multiple main definition was the makefile | 19:00 |
faenil | it had 2 main.cpp ... | 19:00 |
faenil | I have no clue why... | 19:00 |
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faenil | it's created automatically... | 19:01 |
faenil | and 2 main.cpp were set for compiling, when there's only one in the folder | 19:01 |
Nathanael_Anders | Anyone know what to use instead of QMaemo5InformationBox when porting a qt app? | 19:01 |
djszapi | faenil: qtcreator ... I do not wonder ... | 19:02 |
djszapi | and the phantastic qmake ... | 19:02 |
faenil | xD | 19:02 |
djszapi | seriously, qtcreator and qmake just cause issues. | 19:03 |
faenil | yeah I know, had issues multiple times | 19:03 |
djszapi | never had those issues in scratchbox. | 19:03 |
faenil | never used scratchbox :) | 19:03 |
djszapi | I do it nonstop. | 19:03 |
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jykae | hey, does aegis restrict running python programs from the shell on n950? | 20:33 |
jykae | can insufficient permissions kill the program with segfault? | 20:35 |
djszapi | no | 20:36 |
tarantism | djszapi: I understand that you would know about whether it'll be possible to load a custom pulseaudio module on Harmattan? | 20:37 |
djszapi | nope :p | 20:38 |
tarantism | nope it's not possible or nope you don't know? | 20:38 |
djszapi | I would not like to know about that | 20:39 |
tarantism | Fair enough. I must be confused! | 20:39 |
djszapi | The answer is that /afaik/ it is not possible. | 20:40 |
djszapi | our developer signing was rejected, so module and plugin loading is a misery on Harmattan .. | 20:40 |
tarantism | oh | 20:40 |
djszapi | it might work for some interface like account, that is. | 20:40 |
tarantism | what do you mean? | 20:41 |
djszapi | nvm | 20:41 |
SpeedEvil | tarantism: I forget - did you ask javispedro about this - IIRC he was poking in this area. | 20:41 |
tarantism | that's not non-volatile memory is it! | 20:41 |
djszapi | tarantism: the point is not that | 20:42 |
tarantism | I did but I thought he referenced djszapi - I may have my names confused | 20:42 |
SpeedEvil | possible | 20:42 |
djszapi | exactly, I was helping javispedro | 20:42 |
SpeedEvil | I don't know how much he knows about it. | 20:42 |
tarantism | right | 20:42 |
djszapi | I told the same to him many weeks ago, too ;)O | 20:42 |
tarantism | If I were working on a commercial app for ovi, would it be possible to "get it signed" or whatever | 20:43 |
djszapi | if you achieve the QA, yes. | 20:43 |
djszapi | but you cannot test it properly locally anyways | 20:43 |
tarantism | That's a better answer - thanks | 20:43 |
SpeedEvil | I assume there isn't however a way to develop... | 20:43 |
tarantism | oh | 20:43 |
djszapi | so you cannot get into the stage to push into OVI .. | 20:43 |
SpeedEvil | djszapi: Testing on RDA? | 20:44 |
tarantism | double oh | 20:44 |
djszapi | SpeedEvil: nice joke | 20:44 |
SpeedEvil | (though for sound app, ...) | 20:44 |
SpeedEvil | You could at least tell if it starts, but more is going to be problematic. | 20:44 |
djszapi | tarantism: the whole problem was one year ago | 20:44 |
tarantism | yes? | 20:45 |
djszapi | we wanted to provide a developer signing opportunity for those cases, but the management rejected | 20:45 |
djszapi | we had the POC code in place. | 20:45 |
tarantism | I see | 20:45 |
tarantism | Well my module's pretty simple and works on a bunch of different pa releases so what could possibly go wrong? | 20:46 |
tarantism | It'll be fine. | 20:46 |
djszapi | tarantism: I have never seen a proper product with missing testing in the workflow. | 20:46 |
DocScrutinizer | no way to load modules | 20:46 |
DocScrutinizer | unless you severely hack your target system | 20:47 |
tarantism | djszapi: I was joking | 20:47 |
DocScrutinizer | see http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy | 20:47 |
tarantism | DocScrutinizer: that's pretty clear - thanks | 20:47 |
djszapi | tarantism: http://altdevblogaday.com/2011/10/04/a-pre-commit-checklist/ | 20:48 |
DocScrutinizer | and I doubt there'S a standard way for "mere mortals" to get Nokia signing your module | 20:48 |
djszapi | "Does it compile" point. | 20:48 |
merlin1991 | hm #4 in the not doable list is wrong | 20:51 |
merlin1991 | I did that yesterday | 20:51 |
merlin1991 | on a n9 with beta2 firmware | 20:51 |
djszapi | merlin1991 link ? | 20:52 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer link | 20:52 |
merlin1991 | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy | 20:52 |
djszapi | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy? | 20:52 |
djszapi | oh okay. | 20:52 |
merlin1991 | yep | 20:52 |
merlin1991 | I did just scp the app and run it | 20:53 |
djszapi | merlin1991: well, you probably have the aegis-crypto old version, that is why .. | 20:53 |
tarantism | Not clear to me what in that list stops you loading a pulse module. | 20:53 |
djszapi | please do not publish securirty holes. | 20:53 |
djszapi | security* | 20:53 |
tarantism | ssh | 20:53 |
merlin1991 | scp + run in dev mode isn't exactly a security hole :D | 20:53 |
djszapi | there are many duplicated entries on that page. | 20:54 |
djszapi | merlin1991: you cannot do that | 20:54 |
merlin1991 | strange | 20:54 |
djszapi | with R&D key and security hole. | 20:54 |
djszapi | without* | 20:54 |
DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I don't see how you possibly could do that | 20:55 |
djszapi | tarantism: module loading is not mentioned on that wikipage, so go rant there :) | 20:55 |
merlin1991 | it was quite fun, agipa said that shouldn't work and was about to explain me the hack when it worked without a prob | 20:55 |
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djszapi | you mean acsipa | 20:56 |
merlin1991 | true | 20:56 |
djszapi | er... | 20:56 |
djszapi | *achipa | 20:56 |
DocScrutinizer | you noticed the >>If it requires a single Aegis token<< part, didn't you? | 20:56 |
djszapi | I could not reproduce it with the steps, you mentioned. | 20:57 |
tarantism | djszapi: "rant" over. | 20:58 |
merlin1991 | I'll have to try again when I get to hack again, my memory about the last day is slightly clouded | 20:58 |
djszapi | merlin1991: please mail me with the steps, if that is possible. | 20:59 |
djszapi | it must be a security hole somewhere, and please do not publish it | 20:59 |
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djszapi | Khertan: ping | 21:36 |
djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=KhtEditor&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan and https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=khteditor&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 21:37 |
djszapi | I am deleting the second one since that has no uploaded files, and seems to be a duplication. | 21:37 |
djszapi | Done. Package 'khteditor' was removed successfully from project 'home:rzr:harmattan' | 21:37 |
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artemma | libsyncpluginmgr/ClientPlugin.h: No such file or directory | 21:59 |
artemma | :/ | 21:59 |
artemma | cannot build my project after reinstalling everythin | 21:59 |
artemma | the headers are present on my laptop | 21:59 |
artemma | Artem-Marchenkos-MacBook-Pro:QtSDK artem$ find . -name "ClientPlugin.h" | 21:59 |
artemma | ./Madde/sysroots/harmattan-nokia-arm-sysroot/usr/include/libsyncpluginmgr/ClientPlugin.h | 21:59 |
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artemma | the .pro file is probably also ok (since it was building fine before reinstalling SDK) | 22:00 |
artemma | so problems are probably with Qt/target settings | 22:00 |
artemma | can I somehow check which include folders are actually checked? | 22:03 |
djszapi | anybody ideas for this issue ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=soprano&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 22:04 |
djszapi | artemma: look at the compiler line. | 22:04 |
djszapi | should be "-Ixxx" | 22:04 |
artemma | aha, it looks like sysroot actually used is Madde/sysroots/harmattan-arm-sysroot , not Madde/sysroots/harmattan-nokia-arm-sysroot :/ | 22:04 |
artemma | can't understand it | 22:04 |
artemma | Qt version chosen is Harmattan Platform API | 22:04 |
djszapi | phantastic qtcreator and other environments :) | 22:05 |
* artemma has little idea how to figure sysroot used from Qt definition | 22:05 | |
artemma | djszapi: It doesn't compile from command line as well | 22:05 |
artemma | I tried qmake, makefile | 22:05 |
artemma | I tried qmake, make | 22:05 |
djszapi | drop me your project pls. | 22:06 |
djszapi | in a tarball | 22:06 |
djszapi | let me try it out in sb .. | 22:06 |
artemma | sending via DCC | 22:08 |
artemma | actually I am interested even in general: where is sysroot used set | 22:08 |
gri | the guys in #qt-creator may know (at daytime) | 22:09 |
artemma | it's not qt creator specific | 22:09 |
artemma | I can't build from command line as well | 22:09 |
artemma | in fact it is very harmattan specific as I can't use harmattan platform api :) | 22:10 |
gri | but all other apis? | 22:10 |
artemma | meego api seems to be fine | 22:10 |
djszapi | on a side note: is madde worth trying it out ? | 22:10 |
gri | djszapi, For me madde works like scratchbox | 22:10 |
artemma | qmake used is from madde | 22:10 |
djszapi | gri: okay, so not worth it for me since not any better : | 22:11 |
djszapi | :) | 22:11 |
artemma | djszapi: it looks like it can't send file to u | 22:11 |
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artemma | though.. what do you want to check? That very project was building fine before SDK reinstallation | 22:11 |
djszapi | do I need to be identified for that ? I have just identified myself, maybe.. | 22:11 |
artemma | ok, resending | 22:12 |
gri | djszapi, The better part of madde is: you don't have to copy your sources into a directory where scratchbox can find it. You can compile in the same directory for different platforms and even use "run on device" without the hassle of copying a .deb to the device by hand | 22:12 |
djszapi | yes, I heard it many times ... and results were that, it works fine in sb, qtcreator is screwing up the things .. | 22:12 |
artemma | email mabe? just 75KB | 22:12 |
gri | but the "run on device part" is QtCreator which you don't like :) | 22:12 |
artemma | djszapi: maybe I don't know how to use command line properly, but as I tried it wasn't building there as well | 22:12 |
djszapi | artemma: just publish it on the web. There are many sites for that. | 22:12 |
djszapi | gri: very simple 1) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot 2) scp 3) run, done | 22:13 |
djszapi | 2) scp + ssh* | 22:13 |
djszapi | the sb workflow is as simple as that. </3 | 22:14 |
gri | djszapi, Yeah, but simply pressing F5 is more simple to me :P | 22:14 |
djszapi | except that I am a cli hacker ;) | 22:14 |
djszapi | I prefer cutting down the layers if possible. | 22:14 |
djszapi | aka. I like knowing what the background is, and if it means 3 commands, it means that. | 22:15 |
djszapi | much better control in my hands about the system :) | 22:15 |
djszapi | Can you use cmake in madde btw ? | 22:15 |
gri | I assume not | 22:15 |
djszapi | that is out-of-the-question then for kde projects. | 22:16 |
djszapi | and for many others. | 22:16 |
artemma | http://www.4shared.com/file/BrGFOX9n/eventsexample2.html? | 22:16 |
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gri | djszapi, But it should be possible to add cmake to madde ? I just don't know how :) | 22:19 |
djszapi | why to add, if it is already there in sb ? :p | 22:19 |
djszapi | why not use what works ? ;) | 22:19 |
gri | Everyone has his prefereed environment :) | 22:20 |
gri | preferred* | 22:20 |
artemma | when reinstalling SDK I skipped Maemo toolchain. That is ok, isn't it? | 22:21 |
gri | artemma, This is ok | 22:21 |
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gri | I only have the harmattan platform api, desktop qt and simulator | 22:22 |
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artemma | I see from build logs that it is using Madde/sysroots/harmattan-arm-sysroot, not Madde/sysroots/harmattan-nokia-arm-sysroot | 22:27 |
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artemma | where is it supposed to get this -nokia- part? | 22:28 |
* gri only has harmattan-arm-sysroot | 22:28 | |
artemma | gri, I am trying to use platform api | 22:28 |
artemma | libsyncpluginmgr to be precise | 22:28 |
artemma | for event feed related stuff | 22:28 |
gri | the -nokia part is not the platform api | 22:28 |
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artemma | hmm, maybe my harmattan-arm-sysroot isn't properly installed | 22:29 |
artemma | can you check if you have ClientPlugin.h somewhere inside your sysroot? | 22:30 |
gri | Madde/sysroots/harmattan-arm-sysroot/usr/include/libsyncpluginmgr exists here | 22:30 |
artemma | Madde/sysroots/harmattan-nokia-arm-sysroot/usr/include/libsyncpluginmgr/ClientPlugin.h on my system | 22:30 |
gri | ClientPlugin.h is also there | 22:30 |
artemma | oh.. | 22:30 |
artemma | funny | 22:30 |
artemma | are you on windows? | 22:30 |
gri | mac | 22:30 |
artemma | me too | 22:30 |
artemma | now it's real funny :/ | 22:30 |
artemma | I just deleted whole QtSDK today and reinstalled from offline installer | 22:30 |
artemma | one more clean reinstallation needed maybe? | 22:31 |
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gri | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4691970/Bildschirmfoto%202011-10-09%20um%2021.30.58.png | 22:33 |
artemma | hey, I believe you | 22:33 |
artemma | I just wonder why the situation is different on my laptop and how to fix it | 22:33 |
artemma | what's your sdk version? | 22:34 |
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artemma | mine is 1.1.3 | 22:34 |
gri | same | 22:34 |
* artemma is starting updater | 22:34 | |
artemma | maybe if I update the harmattan component | 22:34 |
artemma | hey! | 22:34 |
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artemma | There's huge amount of updates available shown in updater | 22:35 |
artemma | harmattan api included | 22:35 |
artemma | I kind of expected offline SDK to save some download time, not waste it :) | 22:35 |
gri | did you install from offline installer? | 22:35 |
artemma | yep, from offline | 22:35 |
gri | Well, that's your problem :) They updated a lot last week | 22:36 |
gri | but no new sdk version | 22:36 |
artemma | oh | 22:36 |
artemma | the change seems to be way bigger than that | 22:36 |
artemma | I have wk22 harmattan and there's wk 34 | 22:36 |
artemma | if I decode component name correctly | 22:36 |
gri | It's fitting to beta2 | 22:37 |
gri | (some debs are still missing and only available in scratchbox ..) | 22:37 |
artemma | ok, I selected seemingly minimal set of components and started update | 22:38 |
artemma | let's see if i selected enough | 22:38 |
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gri | On my machine it deleted the old madde sysroot and created a new one | 22:38 |
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* ieatlint just updated his laptop and booted into linux 3.0.6... | 22:54 | |
ieatlint | 15 years of a 2.x kernel... weird. | 22:54 |
djszapi | no major update though | 22:54 |
djszapi | so do not expect any difference | 22:54 |
djszapi | it is like using 2.6.40, just numbers .. | 22:55 |
ieatlint | yeah, i know | 22:55 |
ieatlint | but given the headache for 2.4 to 2.6, i'm not complaining | 22:55 |
ieatlint | just an interesting 15 year retrospection :P | 22:55 |
djszapi | :p | 22:56 |
ieatlint | i'm actually surprised that they didn't just use 2.8 given that there's no massive change | 22:56 |
ieatlint | the 2.6.x numbers were getting crazy, but there was still an even minor number left before double digits | 22:57 |
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rayyen | is there a way to disable aegis? Wasn't there suppose to be an "open mode"? | 23:19 |
djszapi | no, that was rejected long ago | 23:20 |
ieatlint | i'm going to make an aegis userspace app that will start at boot and run in the background, and at random intervals make a popup that tells the user "Permission denied for your safety" | 23:21 |
RST38h | not at random times | 23:21 |
RST38h | every time the user tries starting a non-Nokia app | 23:22 |
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ieatlint | i don't think aegis would let me set that up | 23:22 |
djszapi | rayyen: it is the closest way apart from abusing the security holes: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=31975&postcount=39 | 23:23 |
rayyen | echo 0 > /sys/kernel... doesnt work. | 23:27 |
djszapi | ofcourse | 23:27 |
rayyen | oh | 23:29 |
artemma | Error during installation process (com.nokia.ndk.experimental.harmattan.nokiameegoapi): | 23:37 |
artemma | Execution failed(Unexpected exit code: 2): "/Users/artem/QtSDK/Madde/postinstall/harmattan-postinstall.sh" | 23:37 |
artemma | bummer | 23:37 |
artemma | I've seen that already | 23:37 |
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artemma | that was right after the line "Creating default target harmattan-nokia-meego-api" | 23:38 |
artemma | ignoring and hoping | 23:38 |
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artemma | fck, no target folders are even present in the Madde folder! | 23:50 |
* artemma is close to going crazy | 23:50 | |
artemma | ok, maybe if I wipe everything again and install everything from scratch using online installer.. several hours later maybe I get something working | 23:50 |
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ieatlint | how'd you screw up your sdk so badly? :P | 23:51 |
artemma | it all started with installing those findutils | 23:51 |
artemma | then I managed to break PATH | 23:52 |
ieatlint | haha | 23:52 |
artemma | probably by deleting /etc/launchd.conf without realizing it | 23:52 |
artemma | then there was a series of reinstalls of xcode and sdk | 23:52 |
djszapi | do you use mac ? | 23:52 |
artemma | and PATH corrections | 23:52 |
artemma | yep | 23:52 |
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djszapi | cool | 23:52 |
ieatlint | your sdk is clearly much more hacked together than mine | 23:52 |
artemma | BTW, could somebody please post /etc/launchd.conf ? | 23:52 |
artemma | from MAC that works fine with SDK | 23:53 |
artemma | just to verify that I fixed PATH correctly | 23:53 |
ieatlint | there is no /etc/launchd.conf on my osx machine | 23:53 |
djszapi | I do not have such a file. | 23:53 |
ieatlint | (10.6.7) | 23:53 |
djszapi | not even /etc/init/.. | 23:53 |
artemma | what about ~/.MacOSX/info.plist or whatever was the proper name for that plist | 23:54 |
artemma | environment.plist maybe | 23:54 |
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djszapi | btw, could some of you help me to try to build my tiny-weeny software on Mac whether it builds ? | 23:55 |
djszapi | with trying* | 23:55 |
ieatlint | sure | 23:55 |
artemma | djszapi: right now I doubt anything would build on my machine :D | 23:55 |
djszapi | haha | 23:55 |
ieatlint | artemma: there is no ~/.MacOSX/ folder here | 23:55 |
djszapi | ieatlint: git clone git://anongit.kde.org/mula | 23:55 |
artemma | when it works, sure, no problem | 23:55 |
artemma | what about ~/.profile ? | 23:56 |
djszapi | ieatlint: mkdir -p && cd build && cmake .. | 23:56 |
djszapi | ieatlint: mkdir -p build && cd build && cmake .. | 23:56 |
artemma | or .bash_profile maybe | 23:56 |
ieatlint | i don't have cmake installed here | 23:56 |
ieatlint | artemma: no .bash_profile | 23:57 |
ieatlint | and i have an old .profile from macports | 23:57 |
ieatlint | export PATH=/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:$PATH | 23:57 |
ieatlint | tht's the only line in it | 23:57 |
artemma | ok, the last question then. what is your PATH when you see it from command line | 23:57 |
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artemma | you know, type "set" and see what the final PATH is | 23:57 |
ieatlint | /opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/git/bin:/usr/X11/bin | 23:58 |
djszapi | ieatlint: is it hard to install cmake on Mac | 23:58 |
artemma | identical to mine.. | 23:58 |
ieatlint | no clue :P | 23:59 |
artemma | well, there is slight hope that I fixed everything and it is indeed just a bug with updating offline SDK installation with online updates | 23:59 |
ieatlint | there's an installer on cmake.org, will give it a try | 23:59 |
matrixx | artemma: congrats for the #1 place ;) | 23:59 |
artemma | matrixx: thanks! | 23:59 |
matrixx | mine is also #1 but in social category :) | 23:59 |
artemma | matrixx: the super-best congratulations would be if you left a review? ;) | 23:59 |
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