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| Scifig | GeneralAntilles, N950 can't get a signal where C7 and N900 work absolutely fine. I thought it was pentaband receiver issue with AT&T frequencies | 00:04 |
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| special | Scifig: I haven't had any trouble with signal on AT&T | 00:25 |
| special | Scifig: I've noticed that it's better than the N900 was | 00:26 |
| special | (aside from getting 3G, which the n900 didn't) | 00:26 |
| Scifig | The signal issue is worse at home. N950 goes to "Emergency calls only" every now and then. I've lost few calls because of this. These days I just put the SIM in C7 when I am home. | 00:29 |
| Scifig | The problem could be that in areas with weak signal, N950 just doesn't work while other Nokia phones atleast can make/receive calls | 00:31 |
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| special | I've noticed that it's not as good as the iphone4, better than the n900, and better than the average dumbphone | 00:34 |
| special | it did pretty well when I was in rural utah/colorado | 00:35 |
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| Scifig | I might have got a faulty unit or I am living in a dead signal zone. Expensive to fix either or them :( | 00:41 |
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| Scifig | of them | 00:41 |
| w00t | nah, i've heard other people report problems too | 00:41 |
| w00t | i personally don't have them, but well.. | 00:41 |
| w00t | perhaps i'm just lucky | 00:42 |
| * w00t has been in the middle of nowhere of norway with full 3.5g reception though | 00:42 | |
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| special | mm | 00:43 |
| Scifig | w00t, Lucky you. | 00:43 |
| special | I had 3g in the middle of nowhere on the colorado border | 00:44 |
| Scifig | Actually it works fine in most areas here in Northern California. Just at my home, it is either full bars or "Emergency Calls Only". As someone said above, I have to test "loosing signal when inside pocket" thing. | 00:47 |
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| artemma | I just figured that my toobuttons inside toolbar layout take even amount of space in portrait and very uneven in landscape | 01:57 |
| artemma | shocked | 01:57 |
| artemma | oh, that's just empty space on the right | 01:58 |
| artemma | still I'd like them to be centered or take half of space | 01:59 |
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| MohammadAG | artemma, if there's a menu button and a back button they're centered | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG | idk why, same happens to e | 02:13 |
| artemma | n desktop the are always centered | 02:13 |
| artemma | I am now trying to force them to resize | 02:13 |
| artemma | or to center | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG | you can resize them, idk how, the mediaplayer does it | 02:14 |
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| artemma | system settings for app management have the same issue, they just got rid of landscape :) | 02:19 |
| artemma | checking media player, thanks for advice | 02:19 |
| artemma | hmm, i can't see tab buttns in media player | 02:19 |
| artemma | well, I enlarged them anyway, looks nice | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG | tab? | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | I thought you meant the buttons in the toolbar | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | like the one for the music player's now playing button | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | (you need to have something playing) | 02:23 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:58 |
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| artemma | Hi there | 11:32 |
| artemma | I figured I need two executable binaries for my application: main app and a plugin. Certainly they need to be deployed by a single .deb. What's the proper Qt way for structuring a project for it? A project with two subproject? Anybody knows about open example deployable to harmattan? | 11:33 |
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| gri | artemma, create a root project with type SUBDIRS | 11:40 |
| artemma | gri, that's what I am thinking about, but would really appreciate a link to a project where it already works | 11:40 |
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| gri | https://gitorious.org/web2sms/web2sms/trees/master | 11:41 |
| artemma | I'd like to skip the part where I research where to put which .desktop file, who generates single .deb etc :) | 11:41 |
| artemma | thanks a lot, gri! | 11:41 |
| artemma | I see that your .pro file refers to a single .aegis Does it mean that you crafted it yourself manually? | 11:42 |
| gri | I had to create it manually since I deploy more binaries and libs | 11:42 |
| artemma | aha, that's my point | 11:43 |
| gri | So if you have a lib which requires credentials and use that in your program, the aegis-manifest tools does not recognize that | 11:43 |
| * artemma would like to see QtCreator generate the manifest automagically | 11:43 | |
| gri | If you have a single binary, QtCreator generates the manifest automatically | 11:43 |
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| artemma | exactly. I was wondering if it could somehow be reused for project with multiple binaries | 11:44 |
| * artemma is scared of the need to write aegis manifest himself | 11:44 | |
| gri | why? It's only a few lines | 11:44 |
| artemma | because I never tried it and have heard horror stories about difficulties of figuring out the concrete lines you need :) | 11:45 |
| artemma | hmm, maybe I could build the common manifest by copy-pasting lines from individual binary projects | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG | copy the one it generates? | 11:45 |
| gri | since beta2 most components report you "you don't have access, you need privilege xyz" | 11:45 |
| artemma | got it | 11:46 |
| artemma | thank you, guys | 11:46 |
| gri | there's even a list at harmattan-dev which components require which credential | 11:46 |
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| artemma | list of components with docs. Wow. So not nokia style :) | 11:50 |
| artemma | it got to be incomplete and not maintained at least :) | 11:51 |
| artemma | and manually generated | 11:51 |
| gri | Man, I should have done the 6-hour drive to vienna just to take a look at the n9 today at their hackathon :) | 11:56 |
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| macmaN | i wish it was just 6 hours for me | 13:48 |
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| gri | macmaN, Where are you? | 13:57 |
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| djszapi | Hi! Could someone build a package on the community obs today or yesterday ? | 14:34 |
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| macmaN | gri: .ee | 14:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Now I've got alarms not firing. | 15:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Beta 2. It's the shit. | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | alarms always fire here | 15:45 |
| Venemo | here too | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Used to | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | not anymore. | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | Beta 2, it's the N9 release firmware | 15:45 |
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| merlin1991 | yep, having fun with it and scratchbox atm | 16:00 |
| merlin1991 | best error so far was about recompiling with -fPIC | 16:00 |
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| MohammadAG | on that note, has the SDK been updated with release packages? | 16:14 |
| merlin1991 | qt version on release n9 is same as in qt for scratchbox rootstrap | 16:15 |
| merlin1991 | as in packageversion of libqt4-core | 16:15 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, more interested in the kernel | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | wich package, and I can check | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | a GPL violation | 16:34 |
| merlin1991 | got a n9 next to me | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: you bought one? | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | nope, n9 hackaton, nokia is paying for food and provided n9s | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Neat. | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, provided to keep or to hack and leave? | 16:39 |
| merlin1991 | hack and leave :/ | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg -r aegis* and leave | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | lmao | 16:40 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG :D :D :D | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, so I made the app for egged | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | right now it needs you to copy a list of stations to /opt/QEgged/cities and it opens the right timetable | 16:47 |
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| merlin1991 | Test from n9 | 17:08 |
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| gri | merlin1991, Do they have information about releases of the n9? I can't find the red one on austrian websites I know - only black and blue ... | 17:16 |
| merlin1991 | me too, I only find the black and bluish one | 17:17 |
| merlin1991 | the marketing guy from nokia austria is long gone though, so I can't ask him | 17:17 |
| gri | damn :( | 17:18 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone got 4squick on their N950? | 17:29 |
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| nibbler | yup. i do. | 17:34 |
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| Sput | people want something other than black? | 17:39 |
| Sput | it looks absolutely gorgeous in black, not so much in other colors :) | 17:40 |
| berndhs | it's not the right shade of blue, I won't buy it :) | 17:40 |
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| macmaN | MohammadAG: i also do | 18:02 |
| macmaN | i dont like the light green colors of used in 4squick, almost impossible to see text on it against white background | 18:03 |
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| mja | tried to use QtMultimedia to play back music but apparently I need some Aegis stuff | 18:24 |
| mja | I created a file myapp.aegis | 18:24 |
| mja | and tried to <credential name="GRP::audio" /> | 18:24 |
| mja | but it doesn't seem to help | 18:24 |
| mja | anyone have an aegis file for qtmultimedia? | 18:25 |
| mja | and do I need something else besides just that one file? | 18:25 |
| gri | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Harmattan_APIs_that_require_credentials.html | 18:25 |
| gri | according do that, you would also need pulse-access | 18:26 |
| mja | do I need GRP::video for audio? | 18:26 |
| mja | instead of GRP::audio | 18:26 |
| gri | no idea | 18:26 |
| mja | 'cause GRP::audio is not even mentioned | 18:26 |
| gri | just try it with and then remove it and test again | 18:26 |
| gri | pulse seems to be pulse audio, so this might be the sound | 18:27 |
| mja | doesn't seem to work | 18:38 |
| mja | denied 'GRP::audio' -- origin '' does not allow it | 18:38 |
| mja | when installing package | 18:39 |
| gri | why not just try with GRP::video and pulse-access? | 18:39 |
| mja | I did | 18:41 |
| mja | that's the error, regardless of what my .aegis file has in it | 18:41 |
| mja | currently it's | 18:41 |
| mja | <aegis> | 18:41 |
| mja | <request> | 18:41 |
| mja | <credential name="GRP::video" /> | 18:41 |
| mja | <credential name="GRP::pulse-access" /> | 18:41 |
| mja | <for path="/opt/trapskem/bin/trapskem" /> | 18:41 |
| mja | </request> | 18:42 |
| mja | </aegis> | 18:42 |
| gri | and you still get denied origin because of GRP::audio? | 18:42 |
| mja | yep :) | 18:42 |
| gri | are you using qtcreator for deployment? | 18:42 |
| mja | no | 18:42 |
| mja | creating a .deb and moving it to device | 18:42 |
| mja | then devel-su and dpkg -i | 18:43 |
| gri | ok - otherwise it could have been something with packaging files not being updated | 18:43 |
| mja | I don't understand what this means: To determine which credentials your application needs, check the @credential tag in the header files you are using. If the @credential tag is not present, then the interface does not require any credential in order to use this interface. | 18:43 |
| mja | what's @credential and where are they? | 18:43 |
| gri | That's some sort of documentation syntax used by doxygen | 18:44 |
| gri | Package web2sms: request 'pulse-access' ignored -- credential is not defined | 18:46 |
| gri | seems I forgot something | 18:46 |
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| gri | My package installs fine when I use GRP::pulse-access and GRP::video | 18:47 |
| gri | mja, Cleanup your packaging to make sure GRP::audio is really not inside your aegis file | 18:48 |
| mja | hm OK so GRP::audio mustn't be there? | 18:48 |
| gri | seems so | 18:48 |
| * gri is gone for 20 minutes, playing taxi .. | 18:48 | |
| mja | thanks, I'll give it a try | 18:49 |
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| mja | gri, that seems to have done it, thanks! I still can't hear anything but that's probably because of bad paths :) | 18:58 |
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| gri | Is there a way to call a function on a object whose header I don't have? So assume I have a Test object where I know how the first function looks like: void test() - How could I get the pointer to Test::test()'s address when I only have a void* to the Test instance? | 19:41 |
| gri | (can't ask on ##c++ for some reason) | 19:41 |
| berndhs | gri: you can fake the unknown class, as long as its not a virtual function that should work | 19:42 |
| gri | berndhs, Virtual functions are available from the void* instance | 19:43 |
| gri | my problem is, the function is not virtual | 19:43 |
| gri | so it's address is static and does not count to sizeof(Test) | 19:43 |
| berndhs | gri: if its not virutal it has a static address | 19:43 |
| berndhs | so you have to link to something that knows the name of it | 19:43 |
| gri | I don't have the address, that's my problem | 19:44 |
| berndhs | that's not a C++ issue, that's just linking | 19:44 |
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| gri | hmm, so if the function is not exported, I have no chance? | 19:46 |
| berndhs | if you have the object or library, you can link to it, you dont need the header if the symbol is known | 19:46 |
| berndhs | the headers are not really tied to the compiled objects | 19:47 |
| gri | frickelbude:contacts gri$ mad nm -g libdeclarative_contacts.so | 19:52 |
| gri | nm: libdeclarative_contacts.so: no symbols | 19:52 |
| gri | frickelbude:contacts gri$ mad nm -g libdeclarative_contacts.so | 19:52 |
| gri | nm: libdeclarative_contacts.so: no symbols | 19:52 |
| gri | frickelbude:contacts gri$ mad nm -g libdeclarative_contacts.so | 19:52 |
| gri | nm: libdeclarative_contacts.so: no symbols | 19:52 |
| gri | frickelbude:contacts gri$ mad nm -g libdeclarative_contacts.so | 19:52 |
| gri | nm: libdeclarative_contacts.so: no symbols | 19:52 |
| gri | frickelbude:contacts gri$ mad nm -g libdeclarative_contacts.so | 19:52 |
| gri | nm: libdeclarative_contacts.so: no symbols | 19:52 |
| gri | strings libdeclarative_contacts.so | grep setContact | 19:52 |
| gri | _ZN10QtMobility21QContactRemoveRequest13setContactIdsERK5QListIjE | 19:52 |
| gri | _ZN10QtMobility19QContactSaveRequest10setContactERKNS_8QContactE | 19:52 |
| gri | argh | 19:52 |
| gri | just wanted to paste the last 2 lines .. | 19:52 |
| RST38h | I think it's enough | 19:53 |
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| gri | berndhs, Since the function I want is not exported/visible, I'm screwed? | 19:57 |
| berndhs | if they dont export it, there's probbaly a reason they dont want you to call it :) | 19:57 |
| berndhs | who knows what it really does | 19:58 |
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| gri | I have the source, so I know it :) | 19:58 |
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| gri | without that function I can't mix my c++ backend and qml ui | 19:58 |
| berndhs | so look why they don't export it | 19:58 |
| gri | currently you can't expose a QContact instance to qml by setting it inside QDeclarativeContact | 19:59 |
| berndhs | QML doesn't know complex types, otherwise you can expose anything you want | 20:00 |
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| gri | the problem is, my backend uses QtMobility's c++ version but the ui the QML ones. QDeclarativeContact::setContact(const QContact&) would be the function I need, without that the ui would need to use a ContactModel (QML) and search for the same contact again (takes time for unneccessary operation) | 20:03 |
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| gri | and I am not sure how well the qml extensions of qtmobility are tested since the thumbnail image provider does not work at all (wrote a fixed version for my application) | 20:09 |
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| mgedmin | gaaah | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | so I git clone qt-components to get meego harmattan qml examples | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | and they're cheating! | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | import com.nokia.meego 1.1 | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | my qt sdk only knows 1.0 | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | all those goodies I can't have -- UiConstants, ListDelegate... | 20:57 |
| RST38h | EGLO mgedmin | 20:59 |
| RST38h | EHLO | 20:59 |
| RST38h | moo, gentlemen | 20:59 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Unfair, isn't it? | 21:00 |
| * mgedmin waves back | 21:00 | |
| mgedmin | all I have to do, I think/hope, is git checkout an older version... | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | if only I had any idea how to find the right one... | 21:00 |
| gri | mgedmin, qt-components on git is newer than the one on beta2 | 21:00 |
| gri | mgedmin, ListDelegate is available, it's "com.nokia.extras 1.0" | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | does documentation exist for this beast? | 21:01 |
| gri | no :) | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | because I found two different ListDelegates in the docs search: for flickr and the other example | 21:01 |
| gri | I always browse the sources | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | and they don't look like anything in QMLComponents | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | my brain is about to explodey | 21:02 |
| gri | you can just "F2" in QtCreator when using the sdk | 21:02 |
| mja | do you know why creator tells me basically for every #include that the file does not exist? | 21:04 |
| gri | mja, Windows? | 21:04 |
| mja | the project compiles well | 21:05 |
| mja | gri, yes | 21:05 |
| gri | mja, This is a bug, on all other platforms it works | 21:05 |
| mja | ach.. | 21:05 |
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| gri | mja, I use VirtualBox with Ubuntu inside and there I use the Qt SDK | 21:05 |
| gri | the compiler run inside the vm takes seconds, on windows itself about two minutes | 21:06 |
| mja | you don't comple for symbian then? | 21:06 |
| mja | +i | 21:06 |
| gri | I don't have a symbian phone | 21:06 |
| gri | You could try the remote compiler for symbian | 21:07 |
| faenil | has beta2 fw kernel source been released? | 21:19 |
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| merlin1991 | N9 ftw | 21:36 |
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| Venemo | merlin1991, N950 FTW! | 21:41 |
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| faenil | swype would ftw..if only I could get that on n950... | 21:52 |
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| Venemo | ~seen wazd | 23:07 |
| infobot | wazd <~wazd@188.123.241.176> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 8d 12h 25m 48s ago, saying: 'heya'. | 23:07 |
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| * artemma had lots of bad experience with N950 GPS. A couple of days ago precision during navigation was so bad, that I had to stop and switch to my Symbyan phone. Interestingly Maps app seems to be more accurate than Navigation though maybe that's an illusion | 23:24 | |
| artemma | Is N9 Navigation better? | 23:24 |
| dm8tbr | I have some problems depending on where in the car the device is. Have to try if I can pair my BT GPS for better accuracy | 23:38 |
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| artemma | N9 or N950? | 23:39 |
| dm8tbr | n950 | 23:40 |
| artemma | interesting. To me navigation there is so bad, I can't use it. Most of the time it is trying to recalculate route. Even if it correctly shows route right now and you are on it! | 23:41 |
| dm8tbr | artemma: you have a SIM and it's logged onto the network? | 23:42 |
| artemma | yep | 23:42 |
| dm8tbr | agps is enabled? | 23:43 |
| artemma | I didn't really check, but I didn't disable it for sure | 23:43 |
| * artemma is checking | 23:44 | |
| artemma | yep, it's on | 23:44 |
| dm8tbr | no idea then | 23:44 |
| artemma | me too | 23:45 |
| artemma | :) | 23:45 |
| artemma | Has anybody tried anything with SyncFW? | 23:45 |
| artemma | I am going through the example from docs and trying to compile something | 23:45 |
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