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| artemma | If it is recommended to use PageStackWindow, how do I use TabButtons then? | 00:16 |
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| artemma | TabButtons expect TabGroup items to have the same id | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | artemma, MTF? | 00:17 |
| artemma | and how do I put PageStackWindow's stack into a TabGroup :/ | 00:17 |
| artemma | some concept clash in my mind | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | a PageStackWindow holds Pages | 00:17 |
| artemma | Harmattan-specific qml | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | you should have one PageStackWindow and many Pages | 00:17 |
| ieatlint | you might use a PageStack instead of a PageStackWindow there | 00:17 |
| ieatlint | but that's a guess | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | there should only be one stack ieatlint | 00:18 |
| artemma | daamed, I spent a day making sure I can use Window on desktop and PageStackWindow on Harmattan :) | 00:18 |
| artemma | there's an example http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-tabbutton.html?tab=0 | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | PageStackWindow works on a desktop | 00:18 |
| artemma | with several page stacks | 00:19 |
| artemma | something didn't work for me on desktop | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure why it's using several page stacks | 00:19 |
| ieatlint | i thought you could only have 1 window, but different stacks? | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | why different stacks? | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | just push different pages on one stack | 00:20 |
| ieatlint | so that tabs can have independent stacks? | 00:20 |
| artemma | ok, I better stop asking now: to vague understanding | 00:20 |
| artemma | I'll code something and arrive to more proper questions | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | well, makes sense I guess | 00:20 |
| ieatlint | harmattan docs make me sad | 00:20 |
| artemma | yep, PageStackWindow doesn't exist in Symbian components | 00:21 |
| artemma | so can't run it on desktop or simulator | 00:21 |
| artemma | and some toolbarbutton details are different | 00:22 |
| ieatlint | there are meego components for the simulator that support PageStackWindow i think | 00:22 |
| artemma | ieatlint: I failed to find how to use them then | 00:22 |
| ieatlint | fucking osx | 00:24 |
| ieatlint | something is eating ram, but i'm out of ram, so i can't even run top to see what it is | 00:25 |
| artemma | Is Firefox your favorite browser? | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | or you could copy PageStackWindow.qml into your project | 00:26 |
| ieatlint | chrome... and yeah, i closed 4 windows in my browser, and now i can load things, and osx reports is has 2gb of free ram | 00:26 |
| * ieatlint stabs | 00:26 | |
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| ieatlint | anyway, my current liesure project has a base of PageStackWindow and runs fine in qtsimulator | 00:27 |
| ieatlint | current version of sdk/qtcreator | 00:27 |
| artemma | ieatlint: It surprises me. Then I am really missing something | 00:27 |
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| ieatlint | i think i needed to enable it in the qtsdk package system | 00:28 |
| ieatlint | am trying to check, but it feels it needs to check a nokia server before telling me what i have installed | 00:28 |
| ieatlint | yeah, there's an option there... Qt SDK -> Experimental -> Harmattan -> Qt Components -> Qt Quick components for Harmattan Simultator | 00:30 |
| artemma | I remember seeing something about declarative definition of settings plugin. Does it really work? | 00:30 |
| artemma | ieatlint, thanks a lot! I'll try it | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, the right way is to port the components to the platform | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | 4squick uses the Symbian stack, on MeeGo | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | the right way seems to involve a lot of swearing and anger | 00:31 |
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| ieatlint | ugh, today is not my day with nokia, as i pull my n950 out of my pocket and find it unresponsive | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 00:36 |
| ieatlint | yay, it randomly was able to boot | 00:37 |
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| artemma | what was that special url to get the theme icons | 00:52 |
| artemma | can never remember it :( | 00:52 |
| artemma | like iconSource: "theme://icon-l-clock-main-view" | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | QIcon::fromTheme() | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | oh, nvm | 00:53 |
| augustl | noob question: what exactly is the N9 using for UI? Afaik Qt is only a cross platform wrapper that binds to a subsystem. Is that correct? If so, is it Qt or the subsystem that is responsible for the great N9 UI? | 00:53 |
| artemma | image://theme/ ! | 00:54 |
| augustl | the N9 feels snappier than my old iPhone 4, so I'm really curious what UI framework that has achieved this. | 00:54 |
| artemma | augustl: QtComponents | 00:54 |
| augustl | artemma: looking it up, thanks | 00:55 |
| artemma | that is, well, QML components drawn on canvas | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | artemma, no | 00:55 |
| artemma | really? | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | The N9's UI is MTF | 00:56 |
| artemma | oh | 00:56 |
| augustl | so Qt has a built in way of rendering to anything that can draw rgb pixels? | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | Based on Qt's QGraphicsScene | 00:56 |
| artemma | now I remember | 00:56 |
| augustl | MohammadAG: hmm, what's MTF? | 00:56 |
| artemma | Qt components are for 3rd parties | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGoTouchFramework | 00:56 |
| artemma | native apps are done in meegotouch | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | Qt Components is QML | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | and all the UI framework is an extension to meegotouch | 00:56 |
| augustl | "MeeGo Touch is deprecated, do not use it in new projects as it is scheduled for removal from MeeGo" :O | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | screw that | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | it's deprecated in MeeGo 1.3 | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | Harmattan is 1.2 | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | and deprecated != removed | 00:57 |
| artemma | and 1.3 is planned for like never :) | 00:57 |
| augustl | MeeGo 1.3 = Tizen? | 00:57 |
| berndhs | it's all deprecated now :/ | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | no, 1.3 is out as a CE | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | but Harmattan won't be updated to that I guess | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | I use MTF for all my apps | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | cause I prefer C++ over JS | 00:57 |
| augustl | so MTF is responsible for the awesome snappy animations, etc? | 00:58 |
| augustl | (on the N9) | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, and mcompositor | 00:58 |
| ieatlint | well, MTF is just a subset of Qt | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 00:58 |
| ieatlint | on QGrphicsView | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 00:58 |
| ieatlint | so your answer is that Qt is the reason the N9 has nice graphics | 00:58 |
| augustl | I see, thanks | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and I prewfere the way bettweer MTF ovder crappy QML widgets and general functionality | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Based on Qt's QGraphicsScene <-- ieatlint | 00:58 |
| ieatlint | and it's heavily customized from the regular Qt | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | Qt's core is the same | 00:59 |
| ieatlint | and every 3 months nokia dramatically changes things :P | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | prefer* | 00:59 |
| augustl | so in Qt + MeeGo, we have a Linux based platforms capable of creating UIs rivaling iOS, something even Android isn't capable of imo. And Nokia is abandonig it, meh. | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | Praise elop | 00:59 |
| augustl | I'm excited to see what the community ends up doing with MeeGo. Perhaps I'll flash my N9 to MeeGo CE 1.3 :) | 01:00 |
| berndhs | whether Nokia is abandoning it, or it will come back with the meli-thing, fun speculation | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | that's for low end devices | 01:00 |
| augustl | berndhs: hmm, meli-thing? | 01:00 |
| augustl | MohammadAG: ah | 01:01 |
| berndhs | melt-something | 01:01 |
| berndhs | yes for low end phones, but that is a relative concept | 01:01 |
| augustl | and I do love the swipe UI, which CE doesn't have I guess. | 01:01 |
| berndhs | what is low end next year is not the same as now | 01:01 |
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| ieatlint | ever notice that elop is pole backwards? | 01:01 |
| ieatlint | this clearly means something important | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | melt-me | 01:02 |
| augustl | Pestle Phone is an anagram of Stephen Elop | 01:02 |
| augustl | coincidence? Don't think so! | 01:03 |
| ieatlint | it all makes sense now, mango, meltemi, meego, maemo | 01:04 |
| augustl | btw, is it correct to say that N9 essentially runs Maemo? Since it hasn't been fully merged into MeeGo yet? | 01:04 |
| ieatlint | the N9 runs harmattan, aka meamo6 | 01:04 |
| ieatlint | maemo6 | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 01:04 |
| ieatlint | so yeah, it's more maemo than meego, but it's far removed from maemo5/fremantle | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | augustl> and I do love the swipe UI, which CE doesn't have I guess. | 01:05 |
| augustl | but it uses meego touch for a lot of stuff | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | you can get swipe UI on MeeGo CE 1.2 | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure if 1.3 introduces an ABI break | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | but technically, just copy the libs over | 01:05 |
| augustl | MohammadAG: the Nokia one, the very same as on the N9, or a CE "copy"? | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | same one | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | that's why I said copy the bins and libs over | 01:06 |
| augustl | hmm, that's cool | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | and probably illegal | 01:06 |
| special | augustl: also take a look at w00t and alterego's 'lipstick' | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | but hey, where's the fun in legal stuff :p | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't have said that before my N950 replacement was sent | 01:06 |
| augustl | so meltemi is a replacement for low end symbian, and is powered by Qt? | 01:06 |
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| ieatlint | meltemi is allegedly a replacement for low end symbian, and is rumoured to run qt | 01:07 |
| berndhs | they're not saying what meltemi is | 01:07 |
| augustl | all nokia said was that they'll use windows phone 7 a lot, and that they're abandoning MeeGo, right? They haven't said they'll abandon symbian, making low end phones, etc? | 01:07 |
| ieatlint | but all we know is in a WSJ article that nokia isn't really contesting | 01:07 |
| ieatlint | they didn't say they were abandoning meego really | 01:07 |
| berndhs | doesn't Nokia make all their money with low end phones ? | 01:08 |
| ieatlint | i mean, they are, but they never really said it | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | they make all their voisd with too cheap lowend phones | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | void | 01:08 |
| augustl | the N9 could use a few updates for polish, so I hope they haven't abandoned it yet ;) | 01:08 |
| ieatlint | rumours say there's pretty much no one left working on meego | 01:09 |
| ieatlint | so don't count on any real updates | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | of course they have - hey it's starting to SELL soon | 01:09 |
| augustl | the notification screen clearly needs a widget-ish API for example ;) | 01:10 |
| augustl | so that apps can add items that aren't notifications to it | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so make that a ddecdent desktop screen instead | 01:11 |
| ieatlint | what is the release version on the n9 anyway | 01:11 |
| ieatlint | augustl: do you have a retail n9? | 01:11 |
| augustl | I'm thinking something between android widgets and notifications. | 01:11 |
| augustl | ieatlint: yep, checking now | 01:11 |
| augustl | ieatlint: MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan 10.2011.34-1_PR_009 | 01:12 |
| ieatlint | my guess is 39-1, but it might be 34-1 | 01:12 |
| ieatlint | ah, ok | 01:12 |
| ieatlint | yeah | 01:12 |
| ieatlint | there'll be some updates then, for sure | 01:12 |
| augustl | yay | 01:12 |
| augustl | how I wish they'll post an update where they remove aegis | 01:12 |
| augustl | so developers can mod the swipe UI as they want | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | extremely unlikely | 01:13 |
| augustl | adding widgets for example ;) And replacing the mail app, which is kind of half-good. Etc. | 01:13 |
| augustl | yep.. | 01:13 |
| augustl | and since all web apps seem to use user agent sniffing instead of feature detection, I have to use native apps | 01:14 |
| augustl | gmail.com on the N9 is awful | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | fenix is good | 01:14 |
| augustl | so is twitter.com and facebook.com | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | use fennec if you hate the default browser | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | fenix for email | 01:15 |
| augustl | MohammadAG: no fenix in the Ovi store, hmm | 01:15 |
| augustl | hoping Mozilla will release Firefox for the N9 soon. | 01:16 |
| augustl | hmm, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ofBgvTwTE | 01:18 |
| augustl | it exists already? | 01:18 |
| augustl | "Type application/x-install-instructions not supported." | 01:20 |
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| augustl | found a .deb. Do I need developer mode to install Firefox on a N9? | 01:27 |
| ieatlint | no, but you need to enable installations from unknown sources | 01:27 |
| ieatlint | Settings -> Applications -> Installations | 01:28 |
| ieatlint | and check the box in there | 01:28 |
| augustl | how do I install a deb after that is done? | 01:28 |
| augustl | a website suggests e-mailing it to myself, heh | 01:30 |
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| augustl | also, found the deb on my-meego.com which I don't find particularly trustworthy. Anyone know where on mozillas sites I can download the deb? | 01:31 |
| ieatlint | uh, the browser will open the package manager for it if you get it from there (can do file:///home/user/MyDocs/blah.deb), or if you install one of the file managers from the store | 01:32 |
| ieatlint | alternatively, enable dev mode and dpkg -i in the terminal | 01:33 |
| augustl | all I can find are .install files that the N9 browser doesn't seem to handle | 01:33 |
| augustl | guess I'll browse around until I can find a .deb and try to open it in the browser ;) | 01:33 |
| ieatlint | no idea what .install files are | 01:34 |
| augustl | me neither | 01:34 |
| augustl | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/releases/maemo/en-US/ | 01:34 |
| augustl | really hard to find a 9.0 fennec deb on mozilla's site | 01:35 |
| augustl | MeeGo isn't even mentioned on https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | just click on the .deb in browser to start download, then click to the downlouaded file in "downloads" screen to install | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems there are no .install files for HARM | 01:37 |
| augustl | trying to find the deb first :) | 01:37 |
| augustl | holy shit this is hard, it can't possibly have been relased in any way shape or form | 01:39 |
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| ieatlint | uh, no, mozilla didn't release for harmattan | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess mozilla has a hard time to create a deb for an OS that's even "not available yet" | 01:39 |
| ieatlint | someone took the maemo5/fremantle/n900 build and repackaged for harmattan | 01:39 |
| augustl | I see | 01:40 |
| augustl | DocScrutinizer: not available yet? | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yawn | 01:41 |
| augustl | DocScrutinizer: huh? | 01:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer just wonders how chinese make it to sell chargers, cradles, pouches, whatnot, even months befor rollout of $random_product | 01:44 | |
| augustl | the N9 is available in many countries now, so not sure what you mean with "not available yet". | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 01:45 |
| ieatlint | sadly not mine, and i have no obvious way of purchasing one :( | 01:45 |
| augustl | DocScrutinizer: "pff" what? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ihad to use physical force to convice that dude not to sell me one when I took a walk on the street, sure | 01:46 |
| augustl | DocScrutinizer: just asking | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it's no 2 weeks ago Nokia *anounced* start of sales | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | augustl: As far as I'm aware, nobody has recieved one. | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/2263338_-n9-16gb-nokia.html shipping: week42, week42, not yet, week 42, 2011-10-27 | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | augustl: Or said they've gotten tracking number. | 01:51 |
| ieatlint | i'm pretty sure the n9 is a myth, and doesn't actually exist | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 01:53 |
| ieatlint | or what is the myth one, the RM-692? | 01:53 |
| ieatlint | there's the n950 at RM-680, the N9 at RM-696 and a third one referenced in the images... | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | RX-71 ? | 01:55 |
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| special | SpeedEvil: people have received them | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously nobody of mozilla | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 01:56 |
| ieatlint | yeah, well, mozilla is in the US | 01:56 |
| artemma | local operator was arranging some fun quest today | 01:56 |
| ieatlint | they had a hell of a time getting the N900s | 01:56 |
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| ieatlint | they actually bought one off me because they couldn't secure a supplier | 01:56 |
| artemma | winners were supposed to get N9 a week earlier than others, that is probably today as well | 01:56 |
| artemma | in the local (Finnish) operator stores N9 is on Oct 13 | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | then any company planning to publish a _real_ app might have a really hard time to find their way around aegis policies and restrictions. Considering e.g. Opera even shipped their own vkbd on N900. For games it's even harder | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't expect Operat to ship a version for N9 any time soon | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Opera* | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | and *real* games are rarely implemented in plain QML XP | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly, in my book the whole platform is stillborn. But then that's just me, and I don't really care a lot | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | special: Ok - I'm commenting on lack of people on IRC, I guess. | 02:06 |
| special | SpeedEvil: https://twitter.com/#!/w00teh/status/121255254246432769 is my source | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh, did I mention that as soon as any company found a way to implement their ACME app despite all the aegis policy restrictions, Nokia is going to ship an OS update with tighter policies so the whole ACME project is doomed? | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's up to your guessing how many companies are willing to take that risk | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | special: Now go and count how many users seem to have recieved nokia n9 or #n9 hashtag. I question if any of them are actual users, not dev, and there are around 4. | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | (looking over the last couple of days) | 02:18 |
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| special | SpeedEvil: pretty sure w00t got his through a norwegian carrier, nothing special | 02:20 |
| special | but yeah, they don't seem to be shipping for most people yet | 02:21 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: uh, what are you basing your info on that nokia is going to further restrict the platform? | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | on the fact that they did once? on the obvious option they got to do it any time again? | 02:23 |
| ieatlint | restricting permissions when going from a developer build to a release build is not particularly shocking | 02:25 |
| ieatlint | and if you followed the nokia dev guidelines, your application should not have been affected | 02:25 |
| ieatlint | it's unlikely they will further restrict permissions, unless it is in response to a specific security threat | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHAHAHAHA, the tale always been our version is so braindamaged restricted *because* it's exactly same policy as user device | 02:26 |
| ieatlint | i'm not sure there was ever an official tail, just assumptions | 02:27 |
| ieatlint | i didn't get a memo about aegis with my n950 anyway | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and please don't make me die from laughing by tellig me about "nokia dev guidelines" - are you referring to "just use SDK and QML only" which clearly is no option for *real* development as mentioned above, or are you referring to the non-existent listing and explanation of available tokens? | 02:28 |
| artemma | listing all the stuff in any category carefully is not nokia style.. | 02:29 |
| ieatlint | nokia provides guidelines on how to use qt with mtf, opengl, etc | 02:29 |
| artemma | Symbian QML components seem to be the only known [by me] exception | 02:29 |
| artemma | maybe Symbian components developers touched Qt culture too much | 02:29 |
| ieatlint | aegis is more about preventing you from modifying the base system than anything else | 02:32 |
| ieatlint | it's a poor attempt at sandboxing | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | With all the stuff the user cares about in one sandbox. | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | special: I read up, and found that w00t indeed ordered from telenor | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Are hte apps available to n950 and n9 on the store different? | 02:35 |
| ieatlint | no | 02:35 |
| ieatlint | only difference is what's on the base image... n9 has more | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | So angry birds still isn't in the store? | 02:36 |
| ieatlint | it's on the base image of both the n9 and n950 | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - yes - I mean >5 levels | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | (neglecting magic) | 02:37 |
| ieatlint | oh, i think you buy that from inside the app | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Link is broken | 02:38 |
| * ieatlint shrugs | 02:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | It redirects to rovio, which redirects to the store, and opens nothing. | 02:38 |
| ieatlint | i never got into angry birds, so i haven't even played a level on the n950 | 02:38 |
| berndhs | clearly the problem is they used rpm instead of deb, or the other way around | 02:39 |
| ieatlint | damn right, they should've used _____ | 02:41 |
| * SpeedEvil goes back to trying to beat 83280 on 1-5 | 02:43 | |
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| ieatlint | is it impolite/insisensitive/wrong to say "ding dong the witch is dead" ? | 02:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_jobs | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ARGH | 02:59 |
| ieatlint | yep | 02:59 |
| ieatlint | no surprise, he wasn't there yesterday | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | (Argh in that I just got 86450, but I looked away at the crucial moment) | 02:59 |
| ieatlint | we'll see if apple becomes a friendlier company now | 03:01 |
| * SpeedEvil regrettably is not holding breath. | 03:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm quite sure apple became a less friendly place without him | 03:03 |
| ieatlint | i dunno, he was known for making it a religion even in the 80s | 03:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are now solid market-driven reasons for most decisions on apple, which will keep it beaving damn near the same. | 03:09 |
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| ieatlint | he must have been really disappointed in the iphone 4s | 03:14 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders at apples stock price tomorrow | 03:15 | |
| ieatlint | eh, probably not much, him stepping down as ceo was the more direct message | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - indeed. | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Rationally, there should be no impact at all | 03:19 |
| berndhs | yeah but you're talking about the stock market, rational ain't got nothin to do with it | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Exactly. | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Ow. | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I've just been going over some reciepts of moneys I got in the past, and computed what I'd have gotten if I'd invested it in AAPL back in 2002. | 03:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a way - other than review - to submit bugs on a ovi app? | 03:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or, indeed, find their source. (if open) | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | submit bug tickets? this is a mass market system ;-P | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes. | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, end user | 03:43 |
| berndhs | you're supposed to buy the next release if the current one has a bug | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or send device in to Nokia repair&care via that unique method I developed back when N900 was new: flush it down the toilet, it will reach Nokia R&C in the most direct and speedy way possible XP | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: probably you'll need to contact rovio directly via phone call to get those add-on levels | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw it's quite tellrale that A-B isn't available via OVI shop but comes with Nokia(!) image, like e.g. develsh | 03:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | feels like quite in line with my concerns about *real* development form some hours ago | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised if angry birds couldn't get installed via OVI at all, due to permissions needed that aren't available for anything but genuine Nokia source | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | That seems unlikely | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I got no beta2 here, you're free to check the permissions/tokens/policy (dang, who's writing a glossar finally for all those terms?) if you got beta2 with AB | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Where are the per-app tokens stored? | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | RTFM BWAHAHAHA ;-) | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's see if I can spot it | 04:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Haha. | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | angrybirdsfreemagic --help | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Produces a long list of commandline option | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: sorry, can't recall it, I don't even recall where restok is living, and CBA to use find | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | less +'/angrybirdsFOOBAR' /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf | 04:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders how a user is supposed to reinstall AB, after she decided to uninstall it for some free space on those small 16GB | 04:18 | |
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| SpeedEvil | No tokens | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | any clue what'sa /var/lib/usbutils/usb.ids ? | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | part of udev | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm. hmm? | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Not obvious | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | gadget IDs came to mind. | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | But why so large? | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | first I thought | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and why so binary | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | intrusion detection system? ;-P | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, found my next fav foe: usb_moded | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It'ssimply gzipped | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | And it's similar to what's probably on your systems udev usb rules | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird, what for is it needed anyway? | 04:42 |
| berndhs | can't install rsync, how unfortunate | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Oddly it doesn't seem to have nokia phones | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | (recent ones) | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess it's pulled in with udev | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | And nobody cared | 04:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dang, how did you unzip it? | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | zcat | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks :-) | 04:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | n8 | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | find / -name '*usb*' 2>/dev/null made me feel sleepy | 05:01 |
| SpeedEvil | NNight! | 05:05 |
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| djszapi | http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/05/steve-jobs-in-his-own-words/ | 06:16 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:38 |
| RST38h | Moorning. | 07:39 |
| dm8tbr | moo | 07:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | morning | 08:23 |
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| rantom | Gonna ask again | 11:33 |
| rantom | Anyone installed Quicklaunch yet? | 11:33 |
| rantom | *sigh* s/Quicklaunch/Shortcuts | 11:37 |
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| rantom | http://projects.developer.nokia.com/shortcuts/wiki/Downloads | 11:37 |
| MohammadAG | morning | 11:39 |
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| rantom | morning | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | moaning | 12:01 |
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| arfoll | anyone know where certificate_install expects to find certificates and what extension they should use? | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | iirc .pem | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | /var/lib/aegis or something | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | find / -name "*cert*" | 13:22 |
| arfoll | SpeedEvil: i've tried .pem and in various places in /var/lib/aegis but it doesnt want to appear :-( | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh | 13:25 |
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| merlin1991 | I just read the log of today morning, and now I'm wondering what I should use for an n9 specific app in terms of ui framework, qml or mtf? | 13:54 |
| ajalkane | merlin1991: QML if you want futureproof, MTF otherwise if that's your alley. MTF apps start faster. They also have more of those stock widgets you see in the included apps. | 13:55 |
| merlin1991 | this feels just like glib vs qt on maemo again | 13:55 |
| merlin1991 | glib if I want to look like the system, qt if it's supposed to be "futureproof" damn it qwidget is deprecated | 13:56 |
| ajalkane | I guess it's similar situation. | 13:56 |
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| merlin1991 | hm nokia server is showing me the middle finger, rootstrap dl @ 80KB/sec | 14:01 |
| jreznik | merlin1991: not sure - you can look system like with both qml and mtf | 14:03 |
| jreznik | Qt Components has one advantage - there's also Symbian | 14:04 |
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| djszapi | ~seen wazd | 14:21 |
| infobot | wazd <~wazd@188.123.241.176> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 6d 3h 39m 18s ago, saying: 'heya'. | 14:21 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: o/ | 14:21 |
| Venemo | hey djszapi | 14:21 |
| Venemo | djszapi, I've just read your blog :) | 14:21 |
| djszapi | oh thanks :) | 14:22 |
| Venemo | djszapi, you mentioned that you participated in the IRC meeting from your N9. | 14:24 |
| Venemo | did you, by any chance, use IRC Chatter to do this? :P | 14:24 |
| Venemo | I missed it, but I'll try to be there in #mer at 18:00 UTC (20:00 here), but I think I'll be on a train at that time. so I dunno if I can go. | 14:25 |
| djszapi | I used your software, yes :) | 14:25 |
| Venemo | djszapi, oh by the way, I've finally implemented some changes that make it possible to reconnect after a disconnection! | 14:25 |
| djszapi | that is sweet! :) | 14:26 |
| Venemo | djszapi, there is no GUI yet that would indicate this, but it works in the background | 14:26 |
| Venemo | I need to test it further. such as, does it work when the phone automatically switches from 3G to wifi, and such. | 14:27 |
| djszapi | yeah. Do you have a release plan btw ? Rather, uploading to OVI plan ? | 14:29 |
| Venemo | yes I do | 14:29 |
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| Venemo | but I don't have release dates... I can't foretell when I will have the free time to complete it | 14:30 |
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| mtd | ~seen rzr | 15:11 |
| infobot | rzr <~rzr@rzr.ww7.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 12d 22h 59m 38s ago, saying: 'RST38h: put dj in cc. too plz'. | 15:11 |
| mtd | anyone have a deb for rsync for beta2? rzr's harmattan repo's package has some dependency on base_files= 4.x | 15:12 |
| mtd | rsync: Depends: base-files (>= 4.0.1) but 3.1.osso2+3.1.10.osso45+0m6 is to be installed | 15:12 |
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| alterego | Hrm, why isn't this bloody working .. | 15:50 |
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| alterego | Oh, silly me .. | 15:54 |
| alterego | (as always) | 15:54 |
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| tsdgeos | i'm trying to use harmattan components in Qt SDK but they do not show in the "graphic" editor | 15:58 |
| tsdgeos | what am i missing? | 15:58 |
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| RzR | mtd: hi | 17:09 |
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| RzR | mtd: I am slowly back in bizness :) | 17:09 |
| mtd | RzR: nice :) | 17:12 |
| mtd | RzR: I am trying to learn all the OBS-fu from you :) | 17:12 |
| mtd | RzR: for example, I suppose I should be using sarge base-files, but not sure why squeeze seems to be recommended for building packages against | 17:13 |
| * mtd is distracted by stupid osc woes now, though - basic auth failed though I can login fine via chrome :( | 17:13 | |
| mtd | RzR: thanks for your packages, btw...on beta1 I used tmux and a few others all the time. | 17:14 |
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| RzR | mtd: no more on beta2 ? | 17:21 |
| RzR | fell free to fork my rsync and I'll merge it back | 17:21 |
| mtd | RzR: I suspect it might be something on my side - I built rsync in scratchbox and I get the same dependency error | 17:22 |
| mtd | RzR: rsync: Depends: base-files (>= 4.0.1) but 3.1.osso2+3.1.10.osso45+0m6 is to be installed | 17:22 |
| mtd | I just force the install and it seems to work OK | 17:22 |
| RzR | eys i read that | 17:22 |
| RzR | yes .. | 17:22 |
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| RzR | just try to rebuild after you rm "(>= 4.0.1)" | 17:23 |
| mtd | RzR: ah, fine :) | 17:23 |
| mtd | RzR: not sure why it worked before, though - I don't think I had that problem with beta1 | 17:23 |
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| RzR | i am still on b1 | 17:32 |
| mtd | RzR: ah, ok. | 17:32 |
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| * mtd 's scratchbox has problems with osc 401 basic unauthorized because of http://bugs.python.org/issue9639 | 17:46 | |
| * mtd facepalm. | 17:47 | |
| mtd | RzR: thanks, removing that lets rsync install fine. | 17:47 |
| mtd | (obviously, but I'm new to this so I don't have a good sense of what hacks are OK and what aren't) | 17:48 |
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| RzR | mail your obs repo and I'll merge it | 17:51 |
| RzR | mail me | 17:51 |
| mtd | RzR: will do; I'm fixing osc so I can conveniently upload to my repo, so it's not there yet :) | 17:52 |
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| mtd | RzR: what debian vrsion do you recommend to use in your OBS repos? squeeze? | 18:00 |
| RzR | I think I try testing 1st | 18:02 |
| RzR | i'll have to check | 18:02 |
| mtd | RzR: I copied your setting, but just wondering if you had changed your mind or something | 18:03 |
| mtd | RzR: I am uploading rsync now | 18:03 |
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| * mtd did something wrong, and getting "Server returned an error: HTTP Error 301: Moved Permanently" when "sending meta data" for the new directory | 18:08 | |
| mtd | will have to learn more tomorrow | 18:08 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hi | 18:35 |
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| faenil | hi!! :) Have been offline for 3 days due to ISP change...any news in the meanwhile? :) | 19:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | faenil: N9s are hitting actual customers in small numbers. | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t got one. | 19:35 |
| faenil | hey! :D | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: can you comment on any differences between n9, and n950 firmware/ | 19:36 |
| faenil | I think there are so many differences :) | 19:36 |
| alterego | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_VBjdeyQY | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean besides 'boring' differences like or example swype | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: Oh - and Steve Jobs popped off. | 19:36 |
| alterego | QML HTML5 application state transfer :) | 19:36 |
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| faenil | yeah Steve Job's death is the only news I have received so far | 19:37 |
| Tronic | I guess no WebGL on the final device either? | 19:40 |
| ieatlint | anyone have a good store for the n9 that ships internationally? | 19:56 |
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| augustl | ieatlint: where are you located? | 20:04 |
| ieatlint | california | 20:04 |
| ieatlint | best i can find is an aussie store with the 16gb model for $654USD shipped | 20:04 |
| augustl | I only know of one store in Norway that sells it without a contract | 20:05 |
| augustl | 950 USD.. Currency fail. | 20:05 |
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| augustl | and they don't ship afaik, it's a nokia concept store with no webshop | 20:07 |
| RzR | ieatlint: at bottom : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77683 | 20:07 |
| ieatlint | yeah... the AUD is nearly the same as the USD, so easier | 20:07 |
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| Elessar | $750/$810 for 16/64 GB models in Russia without contract | 20:09 |
| ieatlint | that the price on a store that ships and is reputable? | 20:10 |
| ieatlint | preferably in english so i don't spend $800 with google translate :{ | 20:10 |
| augustl | I hope Marko Ahtisaari is working on reverting Elops desicion :) | 20:12 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: mm, anything in particular you're interested in? | 20:12 |
| ieatlint | does swype actually work on the release fw? | 20:13 |
| ieatlint | does it float? | 20:13 |
| augustl | swype? | 20:13 |
| ieatlint | yeah, swype keyboard | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: In no particular order. Can you buy angry birds from the in-game link, or does it just hit a blank page. | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: I assume settings -> security -> developer mode isn't there? | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | What about settings -> applications -> installations -> allow from non ovi sources | 20:15 |
| w00t | developer mode is there | 20:15 |
| w00t | non-store sources setting is there | 20:16 |
| w00t | angry birds purchase opens a webpage which appears to open the store(?), but i'm not sure if that's actually working or not, or if it's just amazingly non-obvious | 20:17 |
| augustl | SpeedEvil: they're both there | 20:18 |
| augustl | the developer mode is apparently quite restricted though | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | same here - on AB. | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering if they'd managed to unbreak it for release. | 20:19 |
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| pinheiro | guys http://pastebin.com/fXq0XE4k | 20:26 |
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| ieatlint | SpeedEvil: the problem is not the n9, it's rovio | 20:28 |
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| ieatlint | when you click on that link, it loads an angrybirds.com website | 20:28 |
| ieatlint | which does a 302 redirection to http://store.ovi.mobi/games/ | 20:28 |
| ieatlint | so they need to update their 302 to point somewhere useful -- which is likely waiting on the game being published in the ovi store for the n9 | 20:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Possibly, yes. I surmised that. | 20:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm just boggling that they haven't got it out. | 20:29 |
| SpeedEvil | And that the EA games game is not more heavily promoted in store | 20:30 |
| ieatlint | you mean gof2? | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | sims HD | 20:31 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, hadn't heard of it :P | 20:31 |
| rantom | openssh-client (and -server) are in the N9 | 20:32 |
| rantom | ? | 20:32 |
| pinheiro | any one has add trouble flashing the n950 under linux? | 20:36 |
| rcg | pinheiro: nope | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | yes rantom pinheiro | 20:39 |
| rcg | well consider me talking for myself ;) | 20:39 |
| pinheiro | "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy" | 20:39 |
| pinheiro | ? | 20:40 |
| rantom | SpeedEvil: ok, with develop-mode I'd assume? | 20:40 |
| rantom | developer* | 20:40 |
| pinheiro | SpeedEvil: any solution? | 20:41 |
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| pinheiro | SpeedEvil: think i managed to make it work | 21:00 |
| pinheiro | modprobe -r cdc_phonet | 21:01 |
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| pinheiro | repetedly on a second konsole | 21:01 |
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| pinheiro | as root | 21:01 |
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| pinheiro | at least he says he is errasing it now | 21:02 |
| * pinheiro wonders how long it will take to errase it | 21:02 | |
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| pinheiro | this is taking 4ever | 21:04 |
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| rcg1 | pinheiro: thats normal | 21:43 |
| rcg1 | takes quite a while | 21:43 |
| rcg1 | but well should have been finished by now | 21:43 |
| rcg1 | shoulda have looked at the timestamps | 21:43 |
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| pinheiro | error | 21:54 |
| pinheiro | RROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' method | 21:54 |
| pinheiro | Erasing finished at 19:38:19 | 21:54 |
| pinheiro | Erasing unsuccessful | 21:54 |
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| ajalkane | I'm kinda of a coward. Or conservative. I haven't dared to install the new SDK. Does it work OK with Harmattan? | 22:36 |
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| ieatlint | what do you mean, i've never seen a qtsdk update break things :P | 22:47 |
| merlin1991 | hm my scratchbox broke on apt-get upgrade | 22:48 |
| merlin1991 | qt packages died with too many errors | 22:48 |
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| ajalkane | Yeah... I'm kind of like feeling, "it's working ok for me right now, don't fuck it up by trying to update" | 22:54 |
| merlin1991 | I ended up getting the resent rootstrap and doing the scratchbox target from scratch | 22:58 |
| matrixx | I feel like that all the time | 22:59 |
| ajalkane | the problem is, I'm also feeling like "maybe I'm missing out on something important if I don't have the new version". And so I fuck it up every now and then. | 23:03 |
| matrixx | that's the other side of the coin :/ | 23:04 |
| merlin1991 | the other side for me was, hm this weekend n9 hackaton @ metalab, DEVICES --> need to update my dev environment and get running again | 23:05 |
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| pinheiro | its briked | 23:16 |
| pinheiro | gaaa | 23:16 |
| pinheiro | ERROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' method | 23:17 |
| matrixx | merlin1991: hehe | 23:18 |
| matrixx | merlin1991: that's a good motive :) | 23:18 |
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| ieatlint | metalab had a n9 hackathon? | 23:46 |
| ieatlint | nice | 23:46 |
| ieatlint | i show up at my local hackerspace and just get 30 people on macbook pros and a bunch of hippies who insist "fermented foods are healthier" staring at me | 23:47 |
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| alterego | Heh | 23:51 |
| merlin1991 | ieatlint: is going to have, this weekend | 23:53 |
| merlin1991 | we even get catering from nokia austria afaik | 23:53 |
| ieatlint | lucky bastards | 23:54 |
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