IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2011-10-04

nealwhat's the equivalent of a Maemo 5 .install for Harmattan?00:05
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rm_workneal: AFAIK they don't have one or the ability to do anything similar :(00:13
rm_workif you find out, let me know00:13
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nealrm_work: Oh :/00:16
nealrm_work: What's the right way to publish packages?00:16
rm_workthe "right way"? :P00:16
rm_workwell, i think supposedly, into a PPA through meego OBS00:17
infobotneal meant: rm_work: What's the recommended way to publish packages?00:17
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rm_workyeah, recommended is by using OBS00:17
rm_workwhat I do is just make my debs in scratchbox ALA Fremantle, and then publish them to the "public community repository" that I started00:17
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rm_workwhich is indexed by Packrat00:18
infobotwell, packrat is a cute little rodent that keeps everything it finds.
rm_workalso, you can publish to the OVI store00:18
rm_worksome people have opted to do some combination of the three00:18
nealrm_work: If I can create binaries and publish them in a debian repository that I control, how does a user add the repository?00:20
rantomSomeone downloaded the quicklaunch?00:31
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DocScrutinizerneal: rm_you: isn't the harmattan way of .install simply called OVI-store?01:33
DocScrutinizeraah, too late, rm_you already mentioned that01:34
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rm_workneal: i don't think it is possible to add repositories automatically. you NEED to manually edit the apt sources file01:35
rm_workneal: but if you figure out a way, let me know01:36
rm_workneal: that's part of why we are trying to limit the number of repositories01:36
DocScrutinizerplus that's of course "unknown_source"01:36
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rm_workif there's one "main" community repo, it becomes less of an issue01:36
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SpeedEvilA maserati colour-picker app?03:22
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borcoi was just wondering these days - qt widgets based apps look horrific on n950, but they look quite ok on n900. hasn't anybody developed a qt style for n950? why do i have to use qml to make my app good when a qt style would be enough?07:33
borcohas anybody made a qt style that make the qt widgets more like a phone app on n950?07:34
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tommaborco, easy way is to use stylesheet on widget based applicatin08:38
borcotomma: i am curious why was not this the default?08:38
borcotomma: having a desktop styleshit on harmattan sounds just a politic decision to promote qml08:39
borcostylesheet :)08:39
sandst1borco: because qml does a lot more than just styling stuff08:39
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borcosandst1: have you tried to maintain a qml app for maemo, symbian and harmattan? so that you can publish in ovi?08:41
borcosandst1: i have a lot of duplicate stuff and hand coded widgets in qml08:41
sandst1borco: umm. no. proper cross-platform support in qml is indeed a bit vague :)08:42
borcosandst1: maemo needs "import Qt 4.7" for example08:43
borcosandst1: as there is no #include equiv for javascript (there might be, but i'm a c++/python devel and not a js one, and i wasn't able to find that #include yet), i have to replicate many qml files just for that first line08:44
borcosandst1: then harmattan has "import com.meego 1.0" and symbian has "import 1.0"08:45
sandst1borco: import "xyz.js" as JS  ?08:45
borcosandst1: even if it's a qml? i'll try it08:45
sandst1borco: yes, you can import js to qml08:46
borcosandst1: anyway, to have my app work on maemo, with qml, i have to replicate by hand a lot of code from the components08:46
borcosandst1: k. thanx. it should simplify the code a bit...08:47
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borcosandst1: though i still feel like not having a proper stylesheet for qt widgets apps in harmattan was just a political decision to force people migrate to qml08:48
Stskeepsnah, it was just buggy like hell08:48
borcoStskeeps: strange then. works with maemo and symbian, but buggy on meego...08:49
w00tit wasn't a development focus08:50
borcow00t: == it wasn't politically correct :-D08:50
w00tit's not a matter of politics, really, so much as that's where their development is heading08:50
w00tand where Qt's development is heading08:51
sandst1borco: here's a good related text by achipa:
Kypeliborco: The N900 Qt styling was a huge ugly hack08:55
Kypeliborco: With QML and the new Harmattan UI, it makes no sense to have QWidget based UIs in Harmattan.08:55
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borcosandst1: that article ommits one thing - maintaining many ui's. if you have 1 or 2 screens, it might be ok, but to maintain and test on many platforms just makes it harder for the app developer.09:00
tommayou need to read archipas other posting about qml ui:s09:01
borcotomma: apparently so :)09:01
tommaoh it was that09:01
borcodeveloping is always eays, testing and maintenance is what kills you :P09:02
sandst1borco: yup :)09:03
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borcoare you using any testing framework for qml ui's? is qtestlib working with qml? is something else (free) better?09:05
sandst1borco: haven't tried test frameworks with qml. The QML profiler in Qt Creator might be worth a shot09:08
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thpJaffa: the article "Matchbox hacking enables title swiping" in yesterday's mwkn is about maemo 4, not maemo 5 if i'm not mistaken10:36
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MohammadAGyay, N950's in finland :D11:24
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leinirMohammadAG: Wooh! \o/11:31
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meceMohammadAG, is that a good thing?11:34
MohammadAGmece, given I sent it back...11:35
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DocScrutinizerI'd more care about them sending a new one11:43
DocScrutinizerwhich is questionable to happen11:43
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, they told me they'll ship a new one after they get the device11:44
DocScrutinizermhm, fair enough11:44
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augustlhi folks. Are there APIs for doing stuff on the feed screen? I chose to hide twitter and facebook, so there's not much there. Would love to have my own notification-ish widgets there.13:37
augustla widget for would be very useful, for example. And since it's time constrained data it sort of makes sense to have it in the feed.13:39
alteregoaugustl: check out the notifications api13:39
augustlalterego: ah, you can post items to the screen in the form of notifications?13:40
alteregoI believe so13:40
augustlhmm, nothing about notifications on it seems13:41
augustlif a notification can be updated, I have all I need13:42
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augustlwhere can I find docs on notifications?13:54
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RST38hMoo all13:56
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vladesttrying to create harmattan buttons on n950 and getting the following:14:11
vladestfile:///usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/meego/Button.qml:77:5: QML BorderImage: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/meegotouch-button-background14:12
vladestwhat is wrong?14:12
kkitovladest: are you launching the app from qtcreator?14:14
vladestkkito: yep14:14
deimosvladest: try compiling for "Harmattan Platform API", maybe you are using "MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan"14:18
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vladestdeimos: tried both14:48
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snowpongSummeli: leinir: re mp3, let's differntiate between frame size and frame lenght, frame length is the compressed version <- this one can vary. frame size is the output of samples - this one is constant16:07
snowpongSummeli: leinir: according to specs the frame size is always 1152 for mp3 - so I can't see that frameCount * (1152 / sampleRate) should fail ... oh well (off-topic, sorry channel)16:08
Summelisnowpong: ok :)16:09
Summeliit's nice to have standard frame size16:09
snowpongsame with aac actually, makes a lot of sens16:10
SummeliI used two different frame sizes in my vorbis impelemtation back in the university :)16:10
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snowpongSummeli: I'll figure it out :)16:12
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Summelisnowpong: should it be (frmecount * 1152) / sampleRate?16:13
Summelior am I doing something wrong :)16:13
leiniri was just under the impression that vbr changed that considerably, but... yeah, i never did work on that stuff anyway, i just hang with the amarok devs :)16:14
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djszapiVenemo_webchat: o/17:15
Venemo_webchathey djszapi, what's up? :)17:15
djszapiin Oulu, it seems they liked the KDE Mobile presentation :p17:16
Venemo_webchatnice :)17:16
djszapino tomato storms yet :p17:16
Venemo_webchatthat's nice to hear17:16
Venemo_webchatthis is annoying17:17
Venemo_webchatI can't set up Qt Creator on my ideapad to connect to the N950... because the apply key in Options is outside the screen.17:17
Venemo_webchatf yea17:18
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jreznikVenemo_webchat: on Linux or Win?17:23
Venemo_webchatjreznik: MeeGo netbook. but I already figured out the correct tab order :)17:24
Venemo_webchatnow let's see how fast the Atom can compile for ARM17:24
jreznikVenemo_webchat: usually in Linux alt + right mouse click and move solves this problems :)17:26
jreznikbut not for meego ntbk...17:26
Venemo_webchatthanks anyway :)17:26
Venemo_webchatwhat does alt+right mouse click do?17:26
jreznikVenemo_webchat: you can move window not only by dragging title bar but anywhere in the content of window17:28
Venemo_webchatjreznik: aaaah17:28
Venemo_webchatthat's nice to know17:28
djszapiVenemo_webchat: ok, leaving to the social event, have a nice day :)17:28
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Venemo_webchathm, too bad this is only a single-core Atom17:33
griVenemo_webchat: Can't you move windows by holding ALT and clicking inside them?17:34
Venemo_webchatgri: nope, as jreznik said that doesn't work on MeeGo Netbook17:36
Venemo_webchatbut anyway, one needs one tab from the left-side listbox17:36
griah, didn't see that17:36
griI have a plugin on windows that I can also use the ALT-drag since my netbook always has the "buttons not visible" thingy17:37
jreznikit was really usefull on eee pc 701 :D and that made it unusable with windows :D17:37
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Venemo_webchatwho uses windows on a netbook anyway?17:52
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griVenemo_webchat: On netbooks delivered with windows, the battery time is much better17:56
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Venemo_webchatwell gri, this Ideapad had Windows 7 Starter on it when I bought it. it was SOOO slow that I didn't even consider leaving it there18:00
grimy eeepc 901 is slow with windows and linux :P18:00
Venemo_webchatheh, I don't know about that type18:01
grinot the newest model :)18:02
Venemo_webchatI considered the X101, but I chose a used ideapad instead18:03
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Arkenoithe only proper lenovo is thinkpad series because of ibm legacy18:03
Arkenoiedge and ideapad suck18:04
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Venemo_webchatArkenoi: this one is working nicely18:04
Venemo_webchatanyway, ttyl18:06
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Jaffathp: Thanks. /me blames the sub-editors18:15
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, apparently they're shipping the replacement tomorrow :/18:19
Venemo_N950MohammadAG, replacement n950?18:19
MohammadAGVenemo_N950, yeah, sent mine on sunday, it arrived in finland today18:22
MohammadAGno not nice18:22
MohammadAGI hope it's here by thursday18:22
MohammadAGcause then there's that Israeli fun18:22
MohammadAGaka customs fucking up my timing18:22
spenapMohammadAG, what happened with your previous n950?18:22
MohammadAGspenap, sent it back, it overheats randomly18:23
DocScrutinizerturned into an iven?18:23
MohammadAGsomething like that18:23
spenapMohammadAG, I see. I wondered what happened with those with "broken" pixels18:23
MohammadAGand the LED sysnodes disappeared18:23
MohammadAGleds working, but no sysnodes18:24
MohammadAGanyway, it's at Nokia's now18:24
MohammadAGoh and I cleared the device before sending it, it bricked methinks18:24
DocScrutinizeryou shouldn't have messed with forcing the hw-rev to a bogus value ;-P18:25
MohammadAGI didn't :p18:25
DocScrutinizerin the end it thought it's an N918:25
Venemo_N950spenap, mine has broken pixels18:25
spenapVenemo_N950, and are you trying to get a replacement?18:26
DocScrutinizerI suggest using a bull shocker, as a few broken pixels are for sure no warranty case18:26
Venemo_N950spenap, yes, they said they'll gimme another.18:26
Venemo_N950I just left my devkit box at home, so can't send it back yet18:27
spenapVenemo_N950, then that's nice :). "Mine" is still fine, but wanted to know how good is the support :P18:27
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Venemo_N950spenap :)18:28
DocScrutinizermeanwhile: I bitched at my carrier for over a week now, for 2G GPRS not working, while UMTS works fine. Now I realized the friggin N900 only needed a reboot XP18:28
Venemo_N950loool DocScrutinizer18:31
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brigliasomebody knows how could I fix the "Downgrade disallowed" issue when re-flashing a device?18:53
SpeedEvilI'm not sure you can.18:55
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DocScrutinizertry coldflashing19:03
DocScrutinizeractually I consider "downgrade disallowed" another rogue move of Nokia19:04
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DocScrutinizerin context of aeg... err MSSF-policy19:04
nealhow do I publish to the community repository?19:13
nealI've read the landing page and followed some links, but I'm still not sure how to proceed.19:14
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RST38hwell. moo.20:03
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RST38hStskeeps:Viva Mer!20:17
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artemmaWhat would be .pro syntax for harmattan specific stuff?20:22
artemmaI want to have CONFIG += meegotouch for harmattan build only20:23
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MohammadAGcontains(MEEGO_FLAVOR, Harmattan)20:23
MohammadAGcontains(MEEGO_FLAVOR, Harmattan): CONFIG += meegotouch20:24
artemmaThanks, MohammadAG !20:24
artemmatrying now20:24
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artemmaoups, my problem was in some other place20:25
artemmabut thanks for this syntax hint, it was welcome correction anyway20:26
MohammadAGoh sorry20:26
MohammadAGartemma, contains(MEEGO_EDITION,harmattan)20:26
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artemmaWhy does QNetworkAccessManager and other QtNetwork stuff get linked fine when building for harmattan, but not for desktop or simulator?20:28
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artemmaI kind'of expected it all to be controled by single CONFIG+= somewhere20:28
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artemmathat is my actual problem, I get lots of undefined symbols for QNetworkReply::error() etc in desktop/simulator builds only20:30
artemmaQT += network solved it, but the question is why I didn't need to specify it for Harmattan :)20:31
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drf__hi guys. I'm trying to compile an application for the n950 which uses commhistory20:36
drf__I've run out of guesses on what I need to do to do that. Qt Creator seems not to be willing to accept it20:37
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alteregodrf__: accept what?20:39
drf__sorry, not to detect it20:39
drf__I installed pretty much everything in the harmattan APIs20:39
drf__I see libcommhistory just inside madde targets20:40
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alteregoHave you restarted qt creator?20:40
alteregoAnd have you added the appropriate pkgconfig options?20:41
drf__alterego: the problem is that in the installation there are no headers of CommHistory20:41
drf__a quick grep through the installed directories shows that20:41
drf__and the only mention of libcommhistory is inside of madde20:41
drf__(dinner, brb)20:41
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drf__anyway, simply put, I'm trying to build/run
RST38hoh, iNutballs are having a sabbath tonight...21:01
RST38hand they have already crashed engadget21:06
Stskeepsthat has got to cost them advertisement..21:07
frals"Our engineering system has worked really hard at advancing the state of the art... it can now intelligently switch between the two antennas between transmit and receive."21:07
fralswonder if its advancing the state of the art in the same way as death grip did ;(21:07
Stskeepsi think n950 has a death grip21:08
MohammadAGanyone got a metawatch, besides javispedro?21:09
MohammadAGStskeeps, it does21:09
RST38hThat antenna around the sides (which caused many users so much trouble) has been revamped and can intelligently switch between two different sets of anntenae on the fly to avoid dropping calls based on how you hold it.21:09
w00tStskeeps: i still don't understand that - i don't have problems :D21:11
crevetorIf their claims for the camera are true it might beat the N9s21:11
Stskeepsi'm waiting for the price, tbh21:11
MohammadAGyou'd think the iPhone 4 should do that crevetor21:11
MohammadAG5MP, 1GHz, 512MBs of RAM21:11
crevetorMohammadAG: true21:11
MohammadAGand a more powerful GPU21:11
Stskeepsintel -3.28% on stockmarket..21:11
MohammadAG4S's a fail21:12
RST38hStskeeps: NO-STEVE21:12
crevetorNokia had a shot at apple with the N9 especially in the light of the 4S. But they blew it :(21:13
RST38hNobody has a shot at Apple21:13
RST38hAny *sane* exec should see that21:14
crevetorRST38h: in what terms ?21:14
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, I do.21:14
MohammadAGcrevetor, true21:14
RST38hcrevetor: Apple is in the business of creating religious obkects21:14
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, bastard21:14
crevetorRST38h: people would have said that about Nokia before 2007, things change...21:14
MohammadAGsee, times have turned :P21:14
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, you should get one.21:14
RST38hcrevetor: Or has been, while Jobs was steering it21:14
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, not that I'm not trying to :P21:14
RST38hNobody could ever say that about Nokia21:14
MohammadAGI opened a bank account, but it only has 100 bucks in it right now :P21:14
RST38hOr any other tech company out there21:14
RST38hExcept maybe for the Sony in 70s/80s21:15
MohammadAGcan put my money in it on Thursday, then I guess I could buy it21:15
crevetorRST38h: brand loyalty for Nokia was/is pretty strong (but maybe not religious-like...)21:15
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, do so21:15
RST38hcrevetor: loyal != religious21:15
GeneralAntillesJust being able to read texts on your wrist is worth the price21:15
GeneralAntillesbesides the other cool stuff.21:15
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, need my N950 back too :P21:15
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, boo21:15
RST38hGeneral: Get the Arkanoid's Amazing Chinese Wristwatch Phone21:16
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, is anyone making an N900 app?21:16
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, there's a library somewhere21:18
GeneralAntillesbut it doesn't really stack up against javispedro's work.21:18
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javispedroGeneralAntilles: you wanted to ask sth about the watch?21:29
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, are you having issues with the minutes incrementing properly at 60s?21:29
GeneralAntillesIt's taking between 65 and 115s for mine to increment.21:29
javispedroI've noticed21:29
GeneralAntillesToggling seconds display on will make it increment immediately, though.21:30
javispedroseems like if sometimes the "timer" that updates the display desynced21:30
crevetoralterego: regarding your tweet : have you found somewhere where you can buy it at all ?21:31
MohammadAGjavispedro, is the watch's software open?21:31
javispedrobut yes, I've sometimes seen it that refreshing the idle screen causes it to suddenly increment the minute count21:31
javispedrosadly, the btstack they licensed from TI, but someone's working on using a open one.21:31
alteregocrevetor: well, expansys have it on pre order.21:32
alteregoMight just get someone on FI to buy one for me and ship it.21:32
crevetor6 out of 10 trending topics in canada are about this iphone event21:33
crevetoralterego: is that only in the uk ?21:33
alteregocrevetor: I'm sure there are others.21:33
crevetor64G black N9 yummy21:33
RST38hevening, javispedro21:34
alteregoBut that's the only one I know off hand21:35
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crevetorI'm pr-ordering there, cancelation is free so I'll see what I do when they have it in stock21:36
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javispedroGeneralAntilles: btw, have you noticed reduced battery life on the n950 while using sowatch?21:56
GeneralAntillesdon't have a good baseline to judge21:57
javispedroNot sure if it's that or all those games from the ovi store =)21:57
GeneralAntillesI didn't have GTalk working before21:57
GeneralAntillesnow I do21:57
GeneralAntillesDidn't use FBReader nearly as much before21:57
GeneralAntillesI'm lower at the end of the day that I used to be21:57
javispedroWell I'm talking of something spectacular21:57
GeneralAntillesbut it's not been well-controlled for SoWatch21:57
javispedroI got mine pretty much emptied in a morning21:57
SpeedEviljavispedro: energy profiler is useful21:57
SpeedEvilthough bme-datalogger is nice21:58
javispedroSpeedEvil: not when you forgot to have a reference ;P21:58
dm8tbrdammit, still didn't look at that for liveview :(21:58
javispedrospecially since the values between beta1 and beta2 have changed much...21:58
javispedroseems that energy p. on beta2 averages for a longer time when screen is off21:58
javispedrocause I'm actually getting _lower_ averages despite the problems21:59
javispedro(~10mA on screen off with wifi gtalk and bt)21:59
MohammadAGjavispedro, noticed the same22:00
MohammadAGbeta1 lasted a bit more22:00
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javispedrowth apple, a voice controlled expert system?22:09
* javispedro suddenly remembers certain violet-colored gorilla floating around the desktop22:09
MohammadAGjavispedro, watched Rise of the planet of the apes I guess? :P22:10
javispedrono, had to clean this from a system once :
MohammadAGI liked that as a kid :p22:11
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DocScrutinizer51if you're desparately missing references - still on beta1 here22:16
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MohammadAGI'm missing a reference platform :P22:16
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DocScrutinizer51most probably this device will idle 99.999% now that I've learned it's more like a N900 than a N9 wrt USB22:17
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ieatlintwhat's the best way to deploy a file into /etc/init/apps?23:54
ieatlintvia a qmake project file23:54
MohammadAGhave the files in OTHER_FILES23:55
MohammadAGand use23:55
MohammadAG$variable.path = /etc/init/apps23:55
MohammadAG$variable.files += files you want23:55
MohammadAGINSTALLS += $variable23:55
ieatlintyeah, that's what i was trying, and now i get a weird error when qtcreator tries to make the deb file23:57
ieatlint"find: -printf: unknown option" "dh_installdeb: command returned error code"23:57
MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ find -printf23:58
MohammadAGfind: missing argument to `-printf'23:58
MohammadAGyou have some f'd up find :p23:58
ieatlintoh yay, go nokia :P23:59

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