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| mtd | hiemanshu: do you happen to have the beta1 OCF around? | 00:31 |
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| deimos | mtd: Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin ? Do you want to download it ? | 00:37 |
| mtd | deimos: yes please - I have heard the flasher within it might beable to sove the problems I've having flashing beta2 from linux (F15) | 00:42 |
| mtd | deimos: I'd rather just the tiny flasher binary, but I"ll take what I can get :) | 00:42 |
| deimos | ok, I put it here and the give you the address, 1/2 min | 00:43 |
| mtd | deimos: thanks very much | 00:44 |
| deimos | no prob | 00:44 |
| mtd | deimos: you don't happen to have it unpacked and the flasher file accessible, do you? | 00:44 |
| * mtd would rather not kill your bandwidth | 00:44 | |
| deimos | nope, its the 558 Mb image | 00:44 |
| deimos | no prob | 00:45 |
| mtd | wowowwo - thanks all - the 3.11.5 flsher is solving my problems flashing to beta2 - I'm very grateful | 01:00 |
| deimos | ah, didnt mind why you need the old 1 :) | 01:01 |
| deimos | wow, a new nokia OS announced !! | 01:04 |
| faenil | meltemi? | 01:04 |
| deimos | yes eheh | 01:04 |
| faenil | they said s40 was the future, the next billion, bla bla bla... | 01:05 |
| faenil | no what? new change of plan? | 01:05 |
| faenil | now* what | 01:05 |
| deimos | yes, nokia never disappoint their developers :) | 01:05 |
| faenil | -.- | 01:05 |
| berndhs | a change of plan in the mobile computing industry ? really ? | 01:05 |
| faenil | a change of plan in their next billion strategy | 01:06 |
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| berndhs | a decent SoC should be cheap if you're going to make a billion of them | 01:08 |
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| mtd | deimos: /win 8 | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | mtd: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/ | 01:10 |
| deimos | mtd: my xchat cant handle what you written :) | 01:10 |
| deimos | I see squares | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | berndhs: It's a translation error. They meant thousand. | 01:11 |
| mtd | oops :) | 01:11 |
| mtd | deimos: yeah, there are some problems in F15 (at least) twith the beta2 flasher ( 3.12.0 | 01:11 |
| mtd | ) | 01:12 |
| berndhs | ah squares, that reminds me - i want to make button-nish things that point left or right | 01:12 |
| deimos | eheh again square , before "with the" | 01:12 |
| berndhs | is there something other than images for that ? triangles ? | 01:13 |
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| mtd | deimos: yeah, there are some problems in F15 (at least) with the beta2 flasher (v 3.12.0) | 01:28 |
| mtd | deimos: hope that worked | 01:28 |
| deimos | eheh, now its ok :) | 01:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | yow - 800 quid for ebay n9 to uk | 03:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, that's crazy. | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - it's the 64, and I'm assuming taxes get their bite | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yet | 04:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | $ or GBP? | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | gbp | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang | 04:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer just wonders how long til that ghost from the machine will visit us next time | 04:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: maybe qgil will send some ;-D | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Idly wondering | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Pondering n900 warranty repair - probably get n8 - swap for n900 in better condition via ebay | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I do have spare - but don't want to be down to only one | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I/d | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, but used N900 feels like used car, or used underwear | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | be fixing it myself if it wasn't for the fact that 2g is sometimes dodgy | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | indeed | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | go for warranty - insist on N900, in 72pt bold RED | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ""or any replacement device that meets or surpasses all specs as of http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N900/"" | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/all/*ALL*/ | 05:02 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: ""or any replacement device that meets or surpasses *ALL* specs as of http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N900/"" | 05:02 |
| Tronic | SpeedEvil: There's a good chance of getting E7 but you won't get N900 anymore. | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | [citation needed] | 05:04 |
| Tronic | Some things (e.g. malfunctional HP connector) actually get repaired, so you may get your old device back, repaired. | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | the last report of a user insisting in N900 replacement and finally getting it, is no 4 weeks old | 05:05 |
| Tronic | DocScrutinizer: I know several people who have gotten E7s, plus the aftermarket is full of these in retail packages. | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia probably just hands out N9 or E7 to all those that are happy with that, to save the few spare N900 for those who insist | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | N8 | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrr | 05:06 |
| Tronic | I personally got N8 and by insisting could get another N900 instead (apparently shipped from testing) but that was six months ago. | 05:07 |
| Tronic | Others haven't been so lucky with insisting... | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on how good you are on insisting, I guess | 05:08 |
| Tronic | Might depend on the country etc. as well. | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 05:09 |
| Tronic | Technically they need to refund the N900 if they cannot provide a replacement (in EU, at least, I think). | 05:10 |
| Tronic | Which is also quite nice, if you paid 600+ € for the N900. | 05:10 |
| Tronic | However, I haven't heard of anyone getting that refund. | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | legally I think they are even liable for damage done by them not providing a suitable replacement | 05:10 |
| Tronic | I'm pretty sure they aren't but of course this might vary between countries. | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g I'm an archaeologist using this platform with a custom software written for the institute, what does it help when Nokia refunds the N900? | 05:12 |
| Tronic | It will also be interesting to see whether they start replacing N900 with N9 once that become available. I highly doubt that, though. | 05:12 |
| Tronic | N950 would be the best replacement but that is and won't be available for obvious reasons. | 05:13 |
| Tronic | *is not | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | they might do, as they get less complaints about that, than with N8 | 05:13 |
| Tronic | I guess that E7 is a response to the complaints. Physically it is much closer to N900 than N9... | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 05:14 |
| Tronic | Nowadays E7 doesn't even cost more than N8 does. | 05:15 |
| Tronic | (it used to be insanely expensive a while back) | 05:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how hard it could get to port $RANDOM_N900_OS to E7 | 05:25 | |
| Tronic | AFAIK E7 has platform security preventing different OS. | 05:27 |
| Tronic | I guess that porting to N950/N9 should be quite possible but the lack of physical keyboard (on N9) is going to be a dealbreaker for many. | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | good point though about TC security, I guess that's on E7 similar to hat we got on N9(50) | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | had/got? | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah what | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually the situation on N900 been no different, just nobody noticed that xloader had to be signed | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and n900 xloader didn't care even about NOLO signature, I.E. chain of trust started and ended with xloader | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | N950 xloader only loads signed NOLO, and N950 NOLO recently can actually load unsigned kernels but shows nasty warning | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | E7 xloader probably also insists on a 2nd stage that's properly signed | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and second stage is no NOLO there, so it might get tough to make any anti vendor port of an OS boot | 05:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | might be actually interesting to try a coldflash of a N9(*) OS to an E7, as then AIUI the rom BL will load the xloader from flasher directly to OMAP RAM | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably not care about signature further than shutting down the TPM | 05:41 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, afaik the N8 had an open bootloader lying somewhere | 07:55 |
| MohammadAG | the E7 may or may not have the same thing | 07:56 |
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| RST38h | Moo, gentlemen | 09:10 |
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| rZZZr | n9 oct6@.my | 10:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | rZZZr: Well - at one point they were claiming 299 eur for n9 in my | 11:10 |
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| mikelima | Hi all. I am developing a local transport application for harmattan and... | 14:05 |
| mikelima | I have problems using qsettings. | 14:05 |
| mikelima | Well, actually I have problem saving settings... It looks like destructors are not invoked when closing the aplication? | 14:06 |
| mikelima | Or else I am doing something really stupid... | 14:06 |
| rZZZr | SpeedEvil: where did u get 300eur ? 350 has been confirmed | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | rZZZr: Vague memories | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | rZZZr: 350 sounds astonishingly low | 14:09 |
| rZZZr | SpeedEvil: wondering what is the ebay price now ? | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not going to stabilise until they actually get released | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | the only person selling it at the moment is selling prerelease - in the anticipation of getting stck | 14:12 |
| mikelima | rZZZr are you talking about the N9? | 14:17 |
| leinir | mikelima: are you using QSettings as a pointer type? because then you're probably doing it wrong... :) | 14:18 |
| mikelima | hi leinir uh... | 14:19 |
| leinir | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qsettings.html#restoring-the-state-of-a-gui-application shows it fairly well... | 14:19 |
| mikelima | I do not think so, but... | 14:20 |
| mikelima | thanks for the pointer, looking at it now.. | 14:20 |
| leinir | In other words, you should be creating a new QSettings instance every time you do something with the settings, don't keep the QSettings instance around anywhere (that is, don't store it as a member variable or something like that) | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~moo | 14:21 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 14:22 | |
| mikelima | yes, well, that's it then. | 14:22 |
| mikelima | thanks leinir | 14:22 |
| leinir | You're welcome! :) | 14:22 |
| leinir | Also, check my app ;) http://store.ovi.com/content/206520 | 14:22 |
| leinir | i think i mentioned it last we chatted... at the QtCS? :) | 14:23 |
| leinir | that is, i think i mentioned that i was thinking about the concept of it... i ended up finally pulling myself together and building it :) | 14:23 |
| mikelima | Nice, Ill' check it out! | 14:24 |
| mikelima | You are farther ahead than me on Harmattan programming... | 14:24 |
| mikelima | I have not yet even looked at the publishing phase.. | 14:24 |
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| MohammadAG | sent my N950 back :/ | 14:30 |
| mikelima | leinir: very nice. I did not know there were so many ways to prepare tea, by the way! | 14:30 |
| mikelima | Uhm I have to go and cook up some curry. | 14:31 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Good luck | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so maybe we'll see you a bit more around #maemo now :-D | 14:35 |
| leinir | mikelima: Thanks! :) The info thing kind of popped up when i realised that i should try and poke about with NFC... and people would be more keen to share stuff when they have more than just a time setting ;) | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, thanks | 14:37 |
| leinir | haven't started on the sharing yet, but... yeah :) | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the OT #harmattan channel? sure :p | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | Kinda like the N900's hw keyboard more tbh | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | it.s easier to reach and press keys on a 3 row keyboard | 14:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow the first time I hear sb preferring 3row over 4row | 14:40 |
| MohammadAG | I also prefer the space position | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | it.s more natural and ergonomic on the right | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that the N950 kb was *better* than the N900 just for the 4th row - it has other problems that render it awkward | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd really like to hear aout GeneralAntilles' typing speed on N950 | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | on N900 he typed as fast as others spoke, during that conference | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | I get 80 wpm on the N900 | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | pretty much depending on the words and how many chars they have ;-) Here in Germany the metrics strokes/min is more commonly used, and probably more precise | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think a good secretary will get up to 600 | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | not on N900 though | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | what's strokes/min? | 14:52 |
| Tronic | keypresses per minute. | 14:56 |
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| Tronic | Roughly equivalent to characters per minute. | 14:56 |
| Sput | including the backspace key or not? | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 14:58 |
| * Sput types very fast, but also has too many typos to be really efficient | 14:58 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | backspace doesn't count, so don't the keystrokes that made you use backspace | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://speedtest.schnell-schreiben.de/ is rather "fair" | 15:20 |
| Sput | mh, 430 cpm, 76 correct, 6 wrong | 15:23 |
| Sput | not warmed up though, and apparently you can't use backspace at all with that test | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I could | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | which bombed me down to 320, all correct | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | with 3 typos corrected | 15:27 |
| Sput | hmm, true, apparently my space bar was just too soon :) | 15:41 |
| Sput | second try, 77 wpm, 1 wrong word, 420 cpm | 15:41 |
| Sput | english though, because German is a bit awkward with my US Intl layout :) | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, german umlauts kill my typing speed completely, though I even got them on this particular kbd | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | the only 3 keys that are completely like new ;-P | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | while I just notice the "O" is starting to fade | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | the "H" as well | 15:54 |
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| Sput | oh! | 16:10 |
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| faenil | hi everyone :) | 16:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, slow. | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 17:01 |
| rZZZr | mikelima: yes n9 in malaysia | 17:30 |
| mikelima | oh, nice, but a bit far from my current location... | 17:31 |
| rZZZr | i return to europe in a couple of days | 17:31 |
| mikelima | rZZZr: I expect taxes will kill the deal... | 17:32 |
| rZZZr | i am there | 17:32 |
| rZZZr | will buy a lappy instead | 17:33 |
| mikelima | eh, eh! | 17:33 |
| mikelima | Well, I have got an N950 so I am fine for now. | 17:34 |
| rZZZr | n9 retail in oct 6 i leave on 3 | 17:34 |
| rZZZr | i am writing u from a n950 too | 17:34 |
| mikelima | A friend of mine is getting crazy about the N9... | 17:34 |
| mikelima | She did not look very interested when I tried to wow her with my N950... But apparently some page on Nokia.it got her interested. | 17:35 |
| rZZZr | the nokia shop clercks were impressed by n950 | 17:36 |
| mikelima | But I would think the difficulty in getting an repairs etc would kill an import like that for her. | 17:36 |
| mikelima | rZZZr: I have tried both... the N9 is nice as well, and probably it would be easier to sell... being smaller and lightier. | 17:38 |
| mikelima | And the OLED screen makes it useful as a watch too. | 17:39 |
| mikelima | But I still prefer the n950 :) | 17:39 |
| faenil | I don't like physical qwerties so I'd rather have n9 :D | 17:40 |
| rZZZr | well i lll stay w n950 for years | 17:40 |
| rZZZr | faenil: azerty or bepe ? | 17:40 |
| mikelima | rZZZr: an N9 may last longer... uit has no moving parts, soi it is harder to break! | 17:40 |
| rZZZr | bepo | 17:40 |
| faenil | qwerty | 17:41 |
| mikelima | But it would be a pain to use the Konsole. | 17:41 |
| faenil | swype + portrait vkb is so much faster than physical keyboard... | 17:42 |
| mikelima | faenil: the virtual keyboard is not bad... in fact I tend to use it unless I am going to type for a while... | 17:45 |
| faenil | vkb + swype... | 17:46 |
| faenil | only vkb is not enough | 17:46 |
| faenil | I keep making mistakes... | 17:46 |
| mikelima | faenil: is swype that input method that is available on Symbian phones? | 17:50 |
| faenil | well you can download it from the store...on android and bada it's preinstalled | 17:51 |
| mikelima | the one where you move your finger on the keyboard to join the letters? | 17:51 |
| faenil | yes | 17:51 |
| faenil | once you get used to it...it's definitely faster... | 17:51 |
| faenil | in fact, sms world record is made with swype :D | 17:52 |
| mikelima | I did not really got the hang of it... | 17:52 |
| mikelima | Did not know it was available on N9(50) | 17:52 |
| faenil | it's not, in our fws... | 17:53 |
| faenil | but it's already available in internal fw from a lot of time | 17:53 |
| mikelima | oh, ok. | 17:53 |
| mikelima | Well, it will probably come, sooner or later. | 17:54 |
| faenil | hope so... | 17:54 |
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| neal | I just flashed the beta2 firmware and I now have no terminal and I can't ssh in. Any tips? | 18:29 |
| matrixx | neal: enable the developer mode from security settings | 18:31 |
| matrixx | then you have the terminal again | 18:32 |
| neal | thanks! | 18:32 |
| matrixx | yw | 18:32 |
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| MohammadAG | so, before I sent the device to Nokia | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | I used Settings -> Reset -> Clear device | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | after 5 minutes it restarted, wanted to check if all my data is gone and it showed the same icon in Settings -> Reset | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | I just turned it off and put it in the package at the post office | 18:50 |
| w00t | MohammadAG: you sent yours back? | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | w00t, yes, it overheats occasionally | 18:51 |
| w00t | ah.. not good | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | and the keyboard LED sysnodes disappeared | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | so I asked them for a replacement, and they agreed | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | Shipping cost me $50, but I guess that's fine | 18:52 |
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| mja | what's the easiest way to include an mp3 and play it so that it works on harmattan and symbian? | 20:54 |
| mja | resource system seems no-go | 20:54 |
| mja | I need to include a soundtrack for my game | 20:55 |
| alterego | QML? | 20:56 |
| alterego | Or if it's Qt/C++ use QtMobility Multimedia API | 20:57 |
| mja | it's graphicsview but some elements are qml | 20:57 |
| mja | was thinking of mobility yes | 20:57 |
| alterego | Well, Multimedia API, very eaasy to play a sound track :) | 20:57 |
| alterego | Even has looping | 20:57 |
| mja | but it looks like I can't use the resource system for including the file | 20:58 |
| alterego | Why not? | 20:58 |
| mja | it's a symbian bug I reckon | 20:58 |
| alterego | :( | 20:59 |
| mja | i like the resource system as there's no need to use a fixed path.. | 20:59 |
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| artemma | Does anybody know which font families are available on Harmattan? | 22:10 |
| * artemma isn't super happy with Nokia Pure in a couple of places | 22:10 | |
| MohammadAG | <alterego> Why not? | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | <mja> it's a symbian bug I reckon | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | it didn't work on Maemo either | 22:11 |
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| MohammadAG | for anyone familiar with MeeGo's window framework, can a widget be shown on top of a window? | 22:40 |
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| mja | MohammadAG: righty, gotta figure out something else then | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | mja, why not store it somewhere? | 22:53 |
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| apol | how do we change the theme to inverted in a qtquick app? | 23:46 |
| special | apol: take a look at the code for the QML components example application | 23:47 |
| apol | special: what page? | 23:48 |
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| special | apol: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/master/examples/meego/QmlComponentGallery/qml/ButtonPage.qml#line80 | 23:50 |
| apol | thank you | 23:51 |
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| apol | is there any guideline on when should the app be inverted? | 23:54 |
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