IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2011-09-30

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artemmaI reported the fact that Harmattan's QueryDialog (and other dialogs) don't offer a way for doing anything on the link click. Join and vote if you like (there's workaround in the submission as well) -
lardmankhertan: thanks00:13
lardmanall sorted now00:13
lardmanjust in time for bed00:13
lardmannight chaps, catch you tomorrow00:13
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javispedrohi there00:28
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javispedrobtw I am really intrigued by this "infrared touchscreen thing", need to find one of these new kindles to try it..00:35
javispedroin theory sounds like a great idea (unless you want to do N9-style curved screen), but I'm just pondering the resolution..00:37
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RST38hjavispedro: ir touchscreens are not new. generally bulky though, that was the main weakness of this aproach00:42
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SpeedEvil?And the other weakness is that they are sharply limited resolution00:46
SpeedEvilAs they tend to have only several emitters and receivers along the edges00:46
abthat's fine for the case of ebook reader00:47
specialit's apparently good enough to support a keyboard00:47
javispedroSpeedEvil: well, I think it entirely depends on how they much where willing to spend00:48
javispedrofrom tech point they can put a pretty useful resolution in there00:48
javispedrobut it'll probably be over-expensive, and I am not expecting much from a $100 thing..00:48
specialit's only $100 if you give amazon permission to show you ads on it forever.00:49
specialtasteful lock-screen ads, but ads regardless00:49
javispedrothere are more readers than amazon's with this screen00:49
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javispedroseemingly the new B&N nook also is00:50
javispedroseemingly those are the guys selling those
javispedro.... zForceĀ® supports high resolution pen writing... gimme data!00:51
specialthey might have been able to make the top 3/4s of the screen a much lower touch resolution than the area where a keyboard is shown00:51
javispedrothat'd probably be even more expensive00:52
RST38hjavispedro: ponder on this one: the new 5+" Samsung Note comes with a stylus00:52
RST38hjavispedro: yet, it is still gorilla glass display etc00:52
javispedroI've tried capacitive+passive00:53
javispedroit's evil.00:53
RST38hjavispedro: ?00:53
javispedroRST38h: that's it probably a capacitive screen with a passive layer (aka a wacom)00:53
RST38hjavispedro: we have been arguing here just WHAT it is00:55
RST38hjavispedro:I am voting for a polonium-tipped stylus that charges the screen when touching =)00:55
RST38hjavispedro: might be some kind of an rfid though00:56
javispedroso it's not even a wacom?00:57
javispedroon the other side it's nice to hear that the new overlords do not consider a stylus taboo.00:58
DocScrutinizer51ultrasimple ultracheap high precision IR touchscreen reader: use 2 1D-camera chips, res 1000..4000 pixel in a row00:58
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DocScrutinizer51watch the brightly illuminated stylus/finger's position in X and Y00:59
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: it's been done
javispedrodidn't work well00:59
RST38hjavispedro: nobody knows what that damn stylus is, not yet01:00
RST38hjavispedro: but it looks pretty damn thin01:00
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berndhsemits short-half-live radioative ink ?01:03
javispedrobah, I'd wish I'd seen this stuff in MWC instead of 3d crap01:05
javispedrohope the seemingly approaching stylus craze (htc flyer too?) is still alive by the next MWC.01:06
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javispedroin the meanwhile, according to zehjotkah, a ea game is finally on the n9 ovi store.01:09
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CepiPerezdoes somebody knows where can I get ContentManager?01:17
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SpeedEvilSwype-out is annoying03:48
TronicMy battery only lasts 5-6 hours after upgrading to beta2.03:52
TronicFrom full charge to none.03:53
TronicEven with no apps open. I suspect either some built-in feature or Accuweather applet to be the cause.03:54
SpeedEvilenergy profiler may give you clues03:55
TronicAnyone else seeing this?03:55
SpeedEvilalso htop03:55
TronicBattery usage app seems to display bogus info about energy users.03:55
TronicI don't seem to have energy profiler in beta2 anymore (had that preinstalled on beta1, is missing now).03:55
SpeedEvilsettings -> security -> developer mode - flip switch reboot03:56
SpeedEvilgo back to seam menu, now install all of the packages below it03:56
SpeedEvilsame menu03:56
TronicAh, missed the new options.03:57
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Tronicaegisfs is using a lot of CPU.04:22
Tronicmessageserver too but not quite as much.04:22
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, somebody needs to ship you a MetaWatch.04:26
GeneralAntillesWhat a world of difference having notifications on your wrist makes04:26
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SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: ;)04:29
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: I don't get - that - many.04:30
SpeedEvilAnd most of them i know what are context by04:30
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GeneralAntillesIt's just so excellently awesome, though.04:31
wmaroneGeneralAntilles: is it possibly to rebuild the firmware on the watch?04:32
wmaronerecompile and install04:32
GeneralAntillesOh, yeah04:33
GeneralAntillesSource is on git, I think.04:33
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GeneralAntillesgithub rather04:34
wmaroneah cool04:35
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TSCHAKeeeis 34-2 the newest fw for the n950?06:05
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wazdGood news everyone!10:18
hiemanshudid elop die?10:19
wazdJust. One. Screenshot:
hiemanshunot good news10:19
hiemanshumeh Cana10:19
hiemanshumeh Canada10:19
djszapihi wazd :)10:20
wazddjszapi: heya, sorry, missed your pm yesterday10:21
wazddjszapi: your stuff is almost ready, need some more time to tweak it :)10:21
wazdhiemanshu: it's bloody MeeCast Homescreen Widget!10:22
wazdhiemanshu: how is it not good news?! :)10:22
djszapiwazd: sure =)10:22
hiemanshuwazd: can it read Google Reader feeds?10:22
wazdhiemanshu: what, events view? If they can send RSS's I guess10:24
hiemanshuwazd: naah, I want a Google Reader client, RSS clients are meh, cant manage em with multiple phones and machines10:24
* xarcass thought that rss apps are despised here :)10:25
wazdbut seriously, nobody's excited bout the MeeCast widget? :(10:25
* wazd looks up "Sad Violin" website in google10:26
wazdah, obviously:  :(10:29
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djszapiwazd 25-31 degrees seem to be cool in comparison with Helsinki. :)10:30
hiemanshuwe have 20-26 here10:31
wazddjszapi: it's somewhere in Africa :D10:31
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griwazd, You can replace the weather? :)10:36
wazdgri: not me, but my awesome fellow programmers :)10:37
djszapiwazd: yeah, Pago Pago sounds like that ;)10:37
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griwazd, Great, since I don't like the accuweather program :)10:39
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lardmanhi wazd10:41
lardmanAnyone know about C++ name obfuscation rules?10:42
lardmanI'm apparently missing a reference to a _ZNK5zxing15LuminanceSource15isCropSupportedEv10:43
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lardmanwell how the tokens are constructed10:43
frals-vent, maybe :p10:43
lardmanah event, that was what I was wondering10:43
lardmanor whether they tack some extra letters on the end anyway10:43
fralsi assume its just been chopped of for some reason10:43
griEv does not belong to the function name10:44
grias I remember10:44
lardmangri: ok, well that's even better, as there's no function with Ev(ent) on the end anyway10:44
griYep, doing "nm" shows that mostly all c++ function have Ev at the end :)10:50
lardmancool, thanks10:50
lardmannow to work out why that virtual fn in particular is causing problems10:50
griit's missing implementation? forgot the link a certain lib?10:52
lardmanshould have linked the lib correctly, but I'll check that10:53
lardmanodd that method in particular was the first one called from the library in question if I've missed it out10:53
griyou can also do "nm | grep isCropSupported" and see if it's there :)10:53
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lardmanhmm, ok so pure virtuals require an implemention in a derived class10:57
lardmanor not10:57
lardmanthe wonders of C++, /me digs out a book10:57
fralslardman: requires implementation in derived class10:58
lardmanok, looks like not all the methods in the base class are pure virtual, and this is one that isn't, so presumably a lack of an implementation in the derived class should not cause a problem11:00
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RST38hHello, ladies and gentlemen11:02
RST38hlardman: they do11:02
RST38hlardman: Basically, you cannot create an object of the class if there is at least one pure virtual method in it. Have to implement them all.11:02
griWhat? Gcc complains that on instantiation of the object????11:03
RST38hlardman: Which is logical, if you think of these pure virtual methods as an interface description (Java directly calls them "interfaces" btw)11:03
RST38hgri: it does.11:03
griVisual studio already complains while compiling11:03
RST38hgri: static objects are instantiated by the compiler =)11:04
lardmanpresumably though one could make some methods pure virtual and leave some not, those that don't need an implementation but might want to be overridden11:04
lardmanthat was my understanding anyway11:04
RST38hAlthough I guess you can argue about the exact meaning here11:04
RST38hlardman: More or less, but you cannot have a real object with unimplemented methods11:05
lardmanoh dear, looks like it may have been a school boy "forgot to add library to be linked" error11:05
griis there a way gcc checks missing links at link time, not when trying to run the program?11:05
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RST38hgri: checks them at compile time11:06
griHow? I can include headers for some lib without -llibname and it complains when running, not while compiling11:07
* RST38h does not understand what gri is talking about. The exact error message would help11:08
griunresolved symbols11:08
griI can't which lib I forgot without running the program11:09
* gri should learn to explain and understand11:09
lardmanthe think I'm compiling is a Qt plugin library11:11
lardmanthing even11:11
lardmanmore sleep, fewer crying babies would probably help here ;)11:11
grilardman: You don't have doors to close? :)11:12
lardmanyeah, the issue is more with not having slept very well11:12
griAh ok, that's bad ? I feel like dead without enough/good sleep11:13
lardmanas a random aside, after my needing to reformat the internal storage on the N950 yesterday, the pretty little picture of the N950 that appears in the desktop filemanager when you plugin it in has vanished11:15
lardmanany ideas how that was/is generated?11:15
griNo, but I could send you mine11:16
lardmanis it an image file then?11:17
lardmanon the device11:17
griin mydocs11:17
RST38hlardman: there is a metadata file in the root of the memory card11:17
lardmanah ok11:17
lardmannp, was just wondering11:17
lardmanmy word ZXing is bloody quick, far faster than ZBar + libdmtx11:17
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alteregoI was pleased to find harmattan home using ~/.local/share/applications, means I can write my app idea easily :)11:21
alteregoAs well as the availability of image magick on the device.11:21
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lardmanyeah I'm using imagemagick11:22
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lardmanthough there are no dev headers you'll find, so you need to apt-get source and build it yourself11:22
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lardmanI wonder what the best bet is re the CPP port of ZXing, I suppose I should stick it up on git somewhere11:24
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lardmansomething for this afternoon anyway, have testing to do11:25
lardmancatch you all later11:25
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Khertanlardman|home: it s an autorun.inf which indicate the icon11:52
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griDown for me12:08
dm8tbrOSU has routing issues12:09
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* mtd having problems - anyone flashed their n950 from fedora? F15?12:48
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lardman|homeKhertan: yeah I seem to remember seeing that, didn't realise that Linux also parsed those autorun files12:57
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lardman|workI do hope that in the N9 release software imported birthdays don't trigger alarms at midnight automatically13:03
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* gri hopes it will show the next 5 calendar events on lock screen ...13:07
fralslardman|work: imported birthdays? where did you import the birthdays from? :D13:08
* frals is not seeing birthdays in calendar and is quite happy with that :p13:09
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DocScrutinizerlardman|work: LOL13:22
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DocScrutinizerfrals: (where to import BD from) contacts? on N900 for example?13:23
Khertan <<< interesting concept13:26
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griKhertan, reminds me of an nintendo ds13:30
* SpeedEvil should write down his 'why modularity in phones is a silly idea' rant13:30
Khertansomeone know if sharp have made successor to this device :
SpeedEvilFail. (no date on pagE)13:32
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: (write down) that's what google is for, you'll find it in $RANDOM_IRC_CHANLOG13:32
SpeedEvilI assume the release date was not 4 days ago13:33
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: indeed13:33
KhertanSpeedEvil: 2009 :)13:33
KhertanSpeedEvil: there is a date : ubuntu 09.0413:33
Khertanjust a linux geek format :)13:33
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: maybe you'll find my similar rants as well, then let me know ;-D13:34
Khertani ask because except air ioniser, i didn't found it on sharp website :)13:34
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mtdanyone's beta2 flashing fail at "rootfs" stage?  Full error:
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fralsmtd: yeah... something about the distro you using, think its on the N950 wikipage on meego.com14:01
fralsbasically, try ubuntu 10.* or windows iirc14:01
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lardman|workfrals: from the N900 calendar14:12
lardman|worksorry for the delay, had testing to do14:12
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lardman|workre birthdays, is that somehow an odd thing?15:04
aqokuhello can I download images of Harmattan form somewhere?15:14
Stskeepsyes, but they're not usable on anywhere but n95015:15
aqokuwhere from I could do this?15:15
Stskeepssearch for oneclickflasher15:15
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lardman|workArkenoi: cool, if rather expensive16:28
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mtdfrals: I thought I saw it somewhere but I can't find anything on the Migrating page.17:00
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MohammadAGlsmod, find something with phone or cmt in it and rmmod it17:03
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Arkenoilardman|gone: i wish someone ported bluetooth watch connectivity software to harmattan.. author of frematle version said he is not interested (and what worries me it is quite common situation)17:11
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GeneralAntillesArkenoi, SoWatch.17:19
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w00tfrals: fraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaals >:(17:44
Arkenoithen i will probably buy it17:45
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GeneralAntillesArkenoi, I'd recommend it highly.18:08
Arkenoiwhat is current state of sowatch -- features already implemented?18:09
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faenilheyaa :D19:16
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borcoanybody had trouble with using the network after installing the beta2 firmware on n950?19:30
borcodo i need to create some aegis spec? any idea where to look for some docs?19:30
borcoi need to use udp and to store/read some user files19:30
borcoit worked fine before flashing the new firmware and i suspect aegis to be the culprit19:31
djszapiwhy do you suspect that ?19:31
djszapiany aegis error or ... ?19:31
borconope, just that it doesn't work and i've read that aegis is now enforced and verifies the capabs19:32
borcoright now i have no aegis spec19:33
SpeedEvilWhat do you mean trouble using hte network?19:33
borcoSpeedEvil: not working at all19:33
borconot connecting19:33
SpeedEvilWhat's not working?19:34
SpeedEvilIf it's the network simply not connecting - then try deleting and recreating the network connection.19:34
djszapiborco: have you tried to check the syslog ? Could you please try to give precise steps how to reproduce the issue ?19:35
borcoi get "Cannot assign requested address". when trying to call bind on an udp raw socket.19:36
djszapihave you tried to check the syslog ? Could you please try to give precise steps how to reproduce the issue ?19:37
djszapiprecise step as in for instance, snippet representing the issue19:38
borcohow do i check the syslog? /var/log/ doesn't have the normal files...19:38
borcono such file on my n95019:39
djszapisomething very wrong over there ;)19:40
borcoeverything else works.19:40
borcojust flashed today with beta219:40
borcoworked like a charm before...19:41
djszapisorry, but without syslog, it is very hard...19:41
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borcodjszapi: anyway, were can i read about the aegis spec format?19:43
borcofunny things is that my old version from ovi works correctly19:44
borcobut the new one, that i'm trying to develop, is not x-(19:44
SpeedEvilOdd - syslog isn't there19:45
SpeedEvilis there, I mean19:45
borcowhy would i miss the /var/log/syslog? any idea how to get it?19:45
djszapiborco: please reflash19:45
djszapiyou should have syslog19:45
borcowill do. hate all this x-(19:45
borcothanx anyway.19:45
djszapiand if that is not talking about aegis, it is not an aegis issue. That is why syslog is very important.19:45
SpeedEvilborco: Ah19:45
SpeedEvilborco: Go to settings -> security -> developer - enable the swithc.19:46
SpeedEvilborco: then reboot, and select syslog19:46
SpeedEvilerr - 'logging' - a package in that same menu19:46
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borcok. now i see it.19:46
SpeedEvilProbbably a good plan to install them all too.19:46
borcoi've enabled only developer mode19:46
borcodidn't know it'll populate with so much stuff :-/19:47
faenilguys while updating the packages I got 3-4 errors, what can I do to fix them? retrying doesn't help, and it says those packages are now unusable19:47
RST38hfaenil: apt-get -f19:48
faeniloh, ok, bruteforce :D19:48
djszapifaenil: same to you, too. Please provide output and log. Ideally reproducing steps, too.19:48
berndhsalso when it says the packages are unusable, that doesn't always mean they are19:48
faenilreproducing steps of what? :D as I said, I was updating packages, and it said there was an error...19:49
borcoSpeedEvil: thanx. will check after dinner if installing these solved the problem. but it looks like the right dirrection.19:49
djszapifaenil: how to reproduce an error. You know what you write into a bug report. At any rate, without output and proper log, hard to guess.19:49
faenildjszapi: ...ok ....19:50
faenilI wouldn't write "update and you get errors" because this is not a bug that happens everytime.19:50
faenilanyway, this is a different story, I'll look for the log now19:50
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faenilreading the log ;)20:00
faeniland loving it :D20:01
djszapiwell some love logs, some love woman ;)20:01
faenilwoman, woman ;)20:02
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* lardman thinks it was a mistake to accept the Qt SDK update at this time on a Friday evening20:05
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djszapiVenemo o/20:05
lardmanlol, perfect timing Venemo20:05
lardmanand morning :)20:05
faenildon't talk about qt sdk, that crashed some times, and I stopped updating xD20:06
Venemohey lardman & djszapi20:06
Venemowhy is it a perfect timing? :p20:06
lardmanit would be nice if it told you how much it was downloading, rather than percentage progress through the total number of downloads20:07
lardmanbut hey20:07
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faenilmine stayed on 25% for a whole afternoon :)20:08
faenilI checked it was downloading from windows' task manager..20:08
* lardman wanders off for a while until the update has finished20:08
faenilthen it finished downloading and returned some registry errors about QtCreator2320:08
lardmanfaenil: well Windows, that's the first problem ;)20:08
faenillardman: troll answer :P20:08
lardman(says he who works with Windows machines during the day)20:09
faenilthen retried, connection error....ok...20:09
lardmanI've not tried under Windows, mainly as afair Qt Creator won't save with specific line endings, which causes problems moving between machines20:09
faenilretried...updater crashed...20:09
lardmananyway bbl20:10
faenilhow do I leave vi on n950? XD can't get to command mode...20:10
faenilbb :)20:10
* SpeedEvil does his daily click on 'buy now' in angry birds.20:10
faenilesc doesn't take me to command mode..20:10
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SpeedEvilOn a related matter - I assume there are no public stats for downloads from ovi?20:11
djszapifaenil: just type ':'20:12
djszapiafter pressing esc in the terminal.20:12
SpeedEvilAlso - swipe left and right  when the vkbd is up swap mmodes20:12
faenilohhh thanks :)20:13
* Arkenoi thinks angry birds magic is supposed to be activated via nfc somehow (which we do not have)20:13
SpeedEvilArkenoi: As I understand it, there are 5 'magic' free levels.20:14
faenilehm...spanish symbols in my keyboard? XD20:14
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borcoall works ok now. without changing anything in the code. very strange. at least now i have the syslog...20:16
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faenilok found20:18
faenilpkgmgrd[6201] : GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT' failed20:18
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djszapiso aegis issue, isn't it ? ;)20:19
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faenilwell if there's nothing doable, I'm going to run apt-get -f20:21
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javispedro~seen wazd20:22
infobotwazd <~wazd@> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 9h 41m 19s ago, saying: 'heya'.20:23
djszapifaenil: you did not still provide any log or output, you know. ;)20:23
faenil:O that's what I found in the log...-.-20:23
djszapithere was no error output, just silent fail ?20:24
faenilerror output yesterday was "Error updating" or something like that...and you could hit Retry, and get the same error20:24
faenilerror output today is "can't trace dependencies for the package" or something like that20:24
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faenilthat's what happend on 3 packages (Openssh-server, Meego Terminal, Energy profiler) while with develsh update it just says "update failed" in the GUI20:26
RST38hfaenil: What do you want us to do about it?20:27
faenilRST38h: why do people ask for help when they have some problems? :)20:28
Venemowhy do I have the feeling that elop is trolling us all on twitter?20:29
RST38hthe real elop or the impersonator?20:30
faenilokay, I guess none knows the solution :) I'll go on with aptget -f20:31
berndhsmaybe Elop's secret plan is to produce dirt-cheap N9s as feature phones and sell a billion of them20:31
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RST38hMicrosoft management all but admits that Elop is a trojan horse20:34
sivangRST38h: I used to ask for a link for those, but this is not relevant here anymore in my opinion :)20:36
RST38hsivang: there is of course a link for this one.20:37
faenilunable to write to /var/cache/atp20:37
faenilThe package list or status file could not be opened or parsed20:37
faenilthis is what I get after apt-get -f update20:38
djszapihow about syslog ?20:38
faenilonly wlancond and mce error messages (which are unrelated to the current problem)20:40
VenemoRST38h, sometimes the real one trolls more.20:43
sivanghey faenil , djszapi20:43
faenilhey sivang :)20:43
RST38hVenemo: He think he is being deeply strategic there20:43
RST38hVenemo: Respect that.20:43
RST38hMaybe he explodes on Christmas Eve, littering Oulu with confetti20:45
RST38hI am sure a lot of Nokians are asking Santa for that20:45
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djszapifaenil: right, so no aegis error, but let it consider aegis issue for firm belief ;)20:50
faenildjszapi: come on bro...20:50
djszapihi sivang, how are you doing ? :)20:50
faenilI have never said such, so please...20:50
sivangRST38h: :)20:50
sivangRST38h: okay okay, get me the link I can't resist :)20:52
faenila pretty nice beast :D20:53
RST38hMeanwhile: Military chaplains allowed to officiate at gay weddings20:53
meceGeneralAntilles, oo.. sounds like a it's gonna be a success. Such big powers behind it and all... Wait, what?20:53
* RST38h will go for the Samsung Note though20:54
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sivangRST38h: whos is SteveSi ?21:13
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javispedrothe lack of landscape in most apps is disturbing, and not only because of the hkb. But also because of the portrait vkb that can be triggered virtually nowhere.21:17
javispedrobtw, using SYM to popup the VKB in some apps causes "1/2" "2/2" button to actually insert "1/2" in the text field instead of change pages21:19
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sivangjavispedro: isn't it triggered with an input field?21:32
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Elessarhi all21:37
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RST38hMoo Elessar21:37
RST38hElessar: Any hope of flipping pages with gestures? =)21:37
ElessarI wonder, should application be closed at it's update?21:37
RST38hNeed sample code for that?21:37
RST38hOn Harmattan? No.21:37
javispedrosivang: not when the hkb is popped out21:38
ElessarRST38h: need to redesign FBReader's core architecture for that :) I can't get page by it's number or smth like this21:38
RST38hElessar: no, not really, you don't21:38
fiferboyElessar, my changes made it into the repo :)21:39
RST38hElessar: I have been able to add page flipping by a swipe quite easily on the N90021:39
RST38hElessar: No need to know a page number, simply track the swipe gesture and tell FBreader to flip a page21:39
fiferboyAltough I can't reproduce the overlay not disappearing21:39
ElessarRST38h: do you mean changing of number without any animation? immediate changing?21:40
RST38hElessar: that would do21:40
Elessarfiferboy: but I could( I sadly haven't time yet to find the reason21:40
fiferboyjavispedro, need any help on sowatch?21:41
Elessarfiferboy: also, I've made single button "lock/unlock" for screen orientation, I think it's more usable21:41
fiferboyElessar, I'll see if I can figure out why that would be21:41
fiferboyElessar, yes I have tried that build and really like it :)21:41
javispedrofiferboy: well, there's a potentially hard topic: I don't know how the calendar appointment alarm is signaled (when the lock screen turns blue, etc.)21:42
GeneralAntillesI really like having my fiction book and my non-fiction book both open and distinguishable.21:42
Elessaralso, I have still beta 1 on my mobile, may be that is the reason21:42
fiferboyElessar, ah I have only tested the overlay on beta221:42
fiferboycould be a system bug then21:43
fiferboyjavispedro, I don't have a watch currently but I can try to find out21:43
ElessarRST38h: I've implemented page's change on swipe effect, but found it unusable withoud proper animation21:43
javispedrofiferboy: I mean on the N950, not the watch21:43
sivangjavispedro: well, the target device is not supposed to have a hkb so I treat this with understanding :)21:44
fiferboyjavispedro, Right21:44
RST38hElessar: it is better than nothing...21:45
Elessarbtw, user won't know about application's update without manual killing of application?21:45
RST38hElessar: btw, you do not nedmore than the current page to do animation, simply clear current age to background in diagonal direction, quickly21:45
RST38hElessar then immediately show the next page21:46
ElessarRST38h: I want to make this action at the same time with animation, or you really want it now?21:46
RST38hElessar: Frankly? Want. Now. :)21:46
RST38hEven if it feels awkward at the moment, it beats wearing out volume keys21:46
fiferboyRST38h, why not tap scroll?21:47
RST38hfiferboy: too easy to trigger by error21:47
RST38hfiferboy: remember how I had to add swipeto the maemo5 version?21:47
RST38hfiferboy: ecause the tap scroll was finicky21:48
fiferboyRST38h, yeah21:48
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fiferboyTap scroll seems improved to me now21:48
RST38hfiferboy: I can live without animation or with simplified animation where page gets cleared diagonally21:48
fiferboyAlthough I do sometimes trigger by mistake21:48
RST38hfiferboy:but definitely want the swipe :)21:48
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Elessarok, I'll do it after finishing of book's buying part :)21:51
Elessar> btw, user won't know about application's update without manual killing of application?21:51
Elessaranswer me, please :)21:52
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fiferboyjavispedro, do you know if the calendar uses QtOrganizer API?21:56
Elessarnobody knows?21:56
javispedrofiferboy: no idea... afaik, it is based partially on kcal21:56
fiferboyhmm, might just be a matter of connecting to the correct backend with QOrganizer21:58
fiferboyAlthough rarely are things that simple22:00
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javispedrobeen pretty happy with the "Main" notification system -- libnotificationsystem -- so far22:03
javispedrocomplete lack of documentation, headers partially broken, but it works! :D22:04
javispedro(it helped that it is technically part of the handsetux and thus free)22:04
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fiferboyI'll check qorganizer tonight22:05
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ieatlintssh update on the n95022:07
SpeedEvilboth client and server22:07
ieatlintmust be a security hole issue22:08
RST38hjavispedro; Any hope to recreate headers from the dead sea scrolls?22:08
javispedroRST38h: you mean for notifications? already done22:09
RST38hjavispedro:to the wiki!22:09
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RST38hMeanwhile: Amazon In Talks With HP To Buy Palm22:10
* javispedro explodes in laughter22:10
RST38hStop laughing and welcome your potential new overlords!22:11
RST38h(besides, Bezos started impersonating Jobs lately, black turtleneck, jeans and all)22:12
SpeedEvilThe first round of internet billionaires - the one doing really cool stuff is Elon Musk.22:15
ieatlintyahoo should buy webos from hp22:15
ieatlintnot because it makes sense, but because they're yahoo22:15
StskeepsRST38h: next up, cancer!22:16
RST38hStskeeps <-- getting more evil by the day22:16
fiferboyjavispedro, yeah looks like kcal22:18
* javispedro gtg, friday afternoon et al :)22:18
SpeedEvilHAve fun for the weekend.22:18
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griAnyone knows if I can change the remote action which is called by clicking on the "new sms" notification?22:29
grifor me it does seem like: no way22:29
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