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| artemma | I reported the fact that Harmattan's QueryDialog (and other dialogs) don't offer a way for doing anything on the link click. Join and vote if you like (there's workaround in the submission as well) - https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCOMPONENTS-1099 | 00:13 |
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| lardman | khertan: thanks | 00:13 |
| lardman | all sorted now | 00:13 |
| lardman | just in time for bed | 00:13 |
| lardman | night chaps, catch you tomorrow | 00:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro! | 00:28 |
| javispedro | hi there | 00:28 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: https://gitorious.org/sowatch/pages/Home | 00:33 |
| RST38h | Moo,javispedro | 00:33 |
| javispedro | moo | 00:34 |
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| javispedro | btw I am really intrigued by this "infrared touchscreen thing", need to find one of these new kindles to try it.. | 00:35 |
| javispedro | in theory sounds like a great idea (unless you want to do N9-style curved screen), but I'm just pondering the resolution.. | 00:37 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: ir touchscreens are not new. generally bulky though, that was the main weakness of this aproach | 00:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | ?And the other weakness is that they are sharply limited resolution | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | As they tend to have only several emitters and receivers along the edges | 00:46 |
| ab | that's fine for the case of ebook reader | 00:47 |
| special | it's apparently good enough to support a keyboard | 00:47 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: well, I think it entirely depends on how they much where willing to spend | 00:48 |
| javispedro | from tech point they can put a pretty useful resolution in there | 00:48 |
| javispedro | but it'll probably be over-expensive, and I am not expecting much from a $100 thing.. | 00:48 |
| special | it's only $100 if you give amazon permission to show you ads on it forever. | 00:49 |
| special | tasteful lock-screen ads, but ads regardless | 00:49 |
| javispedro | there are more readers than amazon's with this screen | 00:49 |
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| javispedro | seemingly the new B&N nook also is | 00:50 |
| javispedro | seemingly those are the guys selling those http://www.neonode.com/products/ | 00:50 |
| javispedro | .... zForce® supports high resolution pen writing... gimme data! | 00:51 |
| special | they might have been able to make the top 3/4s of the screen a much lower touch resolution than the area where a keyboard is shown | 00:51 |
| javispedro | that'd probably be even more expensive | 00:52 |
| RST38h | javispedro: ponder on this one: the new 5+" Samsung Note comes with a stylus | 00:52 |
| RST38h | javispedro: yet, it is still gorilla glass display etc | 00:52 |
| javispedro | I've tried capacitive+passive | 00:53 |
| javispedro | it's evil. | 00:53 |
| RST38h | javispedro: ? | 00:53 |
| javispedro | RST38h: that's it probably a capacitive screen with a passive layer (aka a wacom) | 00:53 |
| RST38h | javispedro: we have been arguing here just WHAT it is | 00:55 |
| RST38h | javispedro:I am voting for a polonium-tipped stylus that charges the screen when touching =) | 00:55 |
| javispedro | heh | 00:56 |
| RST38h | javispedro: might be some kind of an rfid though | 00:56 |
| javispedro | so it's not even a wacom? | 00:57 |
| javispedro | pfft. | 00:57 |
| javispedro | on the other side it's nice to hear that the new overlords do not consider a stylus taboo. | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ultrasimple ultracheap high precision IR touchscreen reader: use 2 1D-camera chips, res 1000..4000 pixel in a row | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | watch the brightly illuminated stylus/finger's position in X and Y | 00:59 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: it's been done http://ilovepens.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/510jozjxuql.jpg | 00:59 |
| javispedro | didn't work well | 00:59 |
| RST38h | javispedro: nobody knows what that damn stylus is, not yet | 01:00 |
| RST38h | javispedro: but it looks pretty damn thin | 01:00 |
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| berndhs | emits short-half-live radioative ink ? | 01:03 |
| javispedro | bah, I'd wish I'd seen this stuff in MWC instead of 3d crap | 01:05 |
| javispedro | hope the seemingly approaching stylus craze (htc flyer too?) is still alive by the next MWC. | 01:06 |
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| javispedro | in the meanwhile, according to zehjotkah, a ea game is finally on the n9 ovi store. | 01:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | ? | 01:10 |
| javispedro | s/ea/EA | 01:10 |
| CepiPerez | does somebody knows where can I get ContentManager? | 01:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Swype-out is annoying | 03:48 |
| Tronic | My battery only lasts 5-6 hours after upgrading to beta2. | 03:52 |
| Tronic | From full charge to none. | 03:53 |
| Tronic | Even with no apps open. I suspect either some built-in feature or Accuweather applet to be the cause. | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | energy profiler may give you clues | 03:55 |
| Tronic | Anyone else seeing this? | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | also htop | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | nl | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | o | 03:55 |
| Tronic | Battery usage app seems to display bogus info about energy users. | 03:55 |
| Tronic | I don't seem to have energy profiler in beta2 anymore (had that preinstalled on beta1, is missing now). | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | settings -> security -> developer mode - flip switch reboot | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | go back to seam menu, now install all of the packages below it | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | same menu | 03:56 |
| Tronic | Ah, missed the new options. | 03:57 |
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| Tronic | aegisfs is using a lot of CPU. | 04:22 |
| Tronic | messageserver too but not quite as much. | 04:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, somebody needs to ship you a MetaWatch. | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a world of difference having notifications on your wrist makes | 04:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: ;) | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I don't get - that - many. | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | And most of them i know what are context by | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | time | 04:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's just so excellently awesome, though. | 04:31 |
| wmarone | GeneralAntilles: is it possibly to rebuild the firmware on the watch? | 04:32 |
| wmarone | s/possibly/possible | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rebuild? | 04:32 |
| wmarone | recompile and install | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, yeah | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Source is on git, I think. | 04:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://github.com/MetaWatchOpenProjects/MetaWatch-WDS11x-IAR | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | github rather | 04:34 |
| wmarone | ah cool | 04:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wmarone, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD7FisaZsKM | 04:36 |
| wmarone | nice! | 04:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee | is 34-2 the newest fw for the n950? | 06:05 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:39 |
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| rZZZr | hi | 07:47 |
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| wazd | Good news everyone! | 10:18 |
| hiemanshu | did elop die? | 10:19 |
| wazd | Just. One. Screenshot: http://i065.radikal.ru/1109/84/74b971d5c5c6.png | 10:19 |
| hiemanshu | not good news | 10:19 |
| hiemanshu | meh Cana | 10:19 |
| hiemanshu | meh Canada | 10:19 |
| djszapi | hi wazd :) | 10:20 |
| wazd | djszapi: heya, sorry, missed your pm yesterday | 10:21 |
| wazd | djszapi: your stuff is almost ready, need some more time to tweak it :) | 10:21 |
| wazd | hiemanshu: it's bloody MeeCast Homescreen Widget! | 10:22 |
| wazd | hiemanshu: how is it not good news?! :) | 10:22 |
| djszapi | wazd: sure =) | 10:22 |
| hiemanshu | wazd: can it read Google Reader feeds? | 10:22 |
| wazd | hiemanshu: what, events view? If they can send RSS's I guess | 10:24 |
| hiemanshu | wazd: naah, I want a Google Reader client, RSS clients are meh, cant manage em with multiple phones and machines | 10:24 |
| * xarcass thought that rss apps are despised here :) | 10:25 | |
| wazd | but seriously, nobody's excited bout the MeeCast widget? :( | 10:25 |
| hiemanshu | no | 10:26 |
| * wazd looks up "Sad Violin" website in google | 10:26 | |
| wazd | ah, obviously: http://sadviolin.com/ :( | 10:29 |
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| djszapi | wazd 25-31 degrees seem to be cool in comparison with Helsinki. :) | 10:30 |
| hiemanshu | we have 20-26 here | 10:31 |
| wazd | djszapi: it's somewhere in Africa :D | 10:31 |
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| gri | wazd, You can replace the weather? :) | 10:36 |
| wazd | gri: not me, but my awesome fellow programmers :) | 10:37 |
| djszapi | wazd: yeah, Pago Pago sounds like that ;) | 10:37 |
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| gri | wazd, Great, since I don't like the accuweather program :) | 10:39 |
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| lardman | morning | 10:41 |
| wazd | heya | 10:41 |
| lardman | hi wazd | 10:41 |
| lardman | Anyone know about C++ name obfuscation rules? | 10:42 |
| gri | rules? | 10:42 |
| lardman | I'm apparently missing a reference to a _ZNK5zxing15LuminanceSource15isCropSupportedEv | 10:43 |
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| lardman | well how the tokens are constructed | 10:43 |
| frals | LuminanceSource::isCropSupportedEvent | 10:43 |
| frals | -vent, maybe :p | 10:43 |
| lardman | ah event, that was what I was wondering | 10:43 |
| lardman | or whether they tack some extra letters on the end anyway | 10:43 |
| frals | i assume its just been chopped of for some reason | 10:43 |
| gri | Ev does not belong to the function name | 10:44 |
| gri | as I remember | 10:44 |
| lardman | gri: ok, well that's even better, as there's no function with Ev(ent) on the end anyway | 10:44 |
| gri | Yep, doing "nm mylib.so" shows that mostly all c++ function have Ev at the end :) | 10:50 |
| lardman | cool, thanks | 10:50 |
| lardman | now to work out why that virtual fn in particular is causing problems | 10:50 |
| lardman | s/fn/method | 10:50 |
| gri | it's missing implementation? forgot the link a certain lib? | 10:52 |
| lardman | should have linked the lib correctly, but I'll check that | 10:53 |
| lardman | odd that method in particular was the first one called from the library in question if I've missed it out | 10:53 |
| gri | you can also do "nm lib.so | grep isCropSupported" and see if it's there :) | 10:53 |
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| lardman | hmm, ok so pure virtuals require an implemention in a derived class | 10:57 |
| lardman | or not | 10:57 |
| lardman | the wonders of C++, /me digs out a book | 10:57 |
| frals | lardman: requires implementation in derived class | 10:58 |
| lardman | ok, looks like not all the methods in the base class are pure virtual, and this is one that isn't, so presumably a lack of an implementation in the derived class should not cause a problem | 11:00 |
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| RST38h | Hello, ladies and gentlemen | 11:02 |
| RST38h | lardman: they do | 11:02 |
| RST38h | lardman: Basically, you cannot create an object of the class if there is at least one pure virtual method in it. Have to implement them all. | 11:02 |
| gri | What? Gcc complains that on instantiation of the object???? | 11:03 |
| RST38h | lardman: Which is logical, if you think of these pure virtual methods as an interface description (Java directly calls them "interfaces" btw) | 11:03 |
| RST38h | gri: it does. | 11:03 |
| gri | oha. | 11:03 |
| gri | Visual studio already complains while compiling | 11:03 |
| RST38h | gri: static objects are instantiated by the compiler =) | 11:04 |
| lardman | presumably though one could make some methods pure virtual and leave some not, those that don't need an implementation but might want to be overridden | 11:04 |
| lardman | that was my understanding anyway | 11:04 |
| RST38h | Although I guess you can argue about the exact meaning here | 11:04 |
| RST38h | lardman: More or less, but you cannot have a real object with unimplemented methods | 11:05 |
| lardman | oh dear, looks like it may have been a school boy "forgot to add library to be linked" error | 11:05 |
| RST38h | heheh | 11:05 |
| gri | is there a way gcc checks missing links at link time, not when trying to run the program? | 11:05 |
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| RST38h | gri: checks them at compile time | 11:06 |
| gri | How? I can include headers for some lib without -llibname and it complains when running, not while compiling | 11:07 |
| * RST38h does not understand what gri is talking about. The exact error message would help | 11:08 | |
| gri | unresolved symbols | 11:08 |
| gri | I can't which lib I forgot without running the program | 11:09 |
| gri | +see | 11:09 |
| * gri should learn to explain and understand | 11:09 | |
| lardman | the think I'm compiling is a Qt plugin library | 11:11 |
| lardman | thing even | 11:11 |
| lardman | more sleep, fewer crying babies would probably help here ;) | 11:11 |
| gri | lardman: You don't have doors to close? :) | 11:12 |
| lardman | yeah, the issue is more with not having slept very well | 11:12 |
| gri | Ah ok, that's bad ? I feel like dead without enough/good sleep | 11:13 |
| lardman | as a random aside, after my needing to reformat the internal storage on the N950 yesterday, the pretty little picture of the N950 that appears in the desktop filemanager when you plugin it in has vanished | 11:15 |
| lardman | any ideas how that was/is generated? | 11:15 |
| gri | No, but I could send you mine | 11:16 |
| lardman | is it an image file then? | 11:17 |
| lardman | on the device | 11:17 |
| gri | yes | 11:17 |
| gri | in mydocs | 11:17 |
| RST38h | lardman: there is a metadata file in the root of the memory card | 11:17 |
| lardman | ah ok | 11:17 |
| lardman | np, was just wondering | 11:17 |
| lardman | my word ZXing is bloody quick, far faster than ZBar + libdmtx | 11:17 |
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| alterego | I was pleased to find harmattan home using ~/.local/share/applications, means I can write my app idea easily :) | 11:21 |
| alterego | As well as the availability of image magick on the device. | 11:21 |
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| lardman | yeah I'm using imagemagick | 11:22 |
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| lardman | though there are no dev headers you'll find, so you need to apt-get source and build it yourself | 11:22 |
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| lardman | I wonder what the best bet is re the CPP port of ZXing, I suppose I should stick it up on git somewhere | 11:24 |
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| lardman | something for this afternoon anyway, have testing to do | 11:25 |
| lardman | catch you all later | 11:25 |
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| Khertan | lardman|home: it s an autorun.inf which indicate the icon | 11:52 |
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| djszapi | forum.meego.com is down or just slow ? | 12:05 |
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| gri | Down for me | 12:08 |
| djszapi | thanks. | 12:09 |
| dm8tbr | OSU has routing issues | 12:09 |
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| * mtd having problems - anyone flashed their n950 from fedora? F15? | 12:48 | |
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| lardman|home | Khertan: yeah I seem to remember seeing that, didn't realise that Linux also parsed those autorun files | 12:57 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:58 |
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| lardman|work | I do hope that in the N9 release software imported birthdays don't trigger alarms at midnight automatically | 13:03 |
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| * gri hopes it will show the next 5 calendar events on lock screen ... | 13:07 | |
| frals | lardman|work: imported birthdays? where did you import the birthdays from? :D | 13:08 |
| * frals is not seeing birthdays in calendar and is quite happy with that :p | 13:09 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman|work: LOL | 13:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | frals: (where to import BD from) contacts? on N900 for example? | 13:23 |
| Khertan | http://www.pocketables.net/2011/09/modular-phone-patent-from-microsoft-looks-really-cool-might-never-happen.html <<< interesting concept | 13:26 |
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| gri | Khertan, reminds me of an nintendo ds | 13:30 |
| * SpeedEvil should write down his 'why modularity in phones is a silly idea' rant | 13:30 | |
| Khertan | :) | 13:31 |
| Khertan | someone know if sharp have made successor to this device : http://www.arm.com/markets/mobile/sharp-netwalker-pc-z1.php | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Fail. (no date on pagE) | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (write down) that's what google is for, you'll find it in $RANDOM_IRC_CHANLOG | 13:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume the release date was not 4 days ago | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: indeed | 13:33 |
| Khertan | SpeedEvil: 2009 :) | 13:33 |
| Khertan | SpeedEvil: there is a date : ubuntu 09.04 | 13:33 |
| Khertan | just a linux geek format :) | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: maybe you'll find my similar rants as well, then let me know ;-D | 13:34 |
| Khertan | i ask because except air ioniser, i didn't found it on sharp website :) | 13:34 |
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| mtd | anyone's beta2 flashing fail at "rootfs" stage? Full error: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=32541&postcount=162 | 13:40 |
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| frals | mtd: yeah... something about the distro you using, think its on the N950 wikipage on meego.com | 14:01 |
| frals | basically, try ubuntu 10.* or windows iirc | 14:01 |
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| lardman|work | frals: from the N900 calendar | 14:12 |
| lardman|work | sorry for the delay, had testing to do | 14:12 |
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| lardman|work | re birthdays, is that somehow an odd thing? | 15:04 |
| aqoku | hello can I download images of Harmattan form somewhere? | 15:14 |
| aqoku | #Tizen | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but they're not usable on anywhere but n950 | 15:15 |
| aqoku | where from I could do this? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | search for oneclickflasher | 15:15 |
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| joejoe | aqoku, wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | 15:27 |
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| Arkenoi | https://estore.ti.com/MSP-WDS430BT2000D-Bluetooth-Wearable-Watch-development-system-with-Digital-display-P2447.aspx# | 16:23 |
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| lardman|work | Arkenoi: cool, if rather expensive | 16:28 |
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| mtd | frals: I thought I saw it somewhere but I can't find anything on the Migrating page. | 17:00 |
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| MohammadAG | lsmod, find something with phone or cmt in it and rmmod it | 17:03 |
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| Arkenoi | lardman|gone: i wish someone ported bluetooth watch connectivity software to harmattan.. author of frematle version said he is not interested (and what worries me it is quite common situation) | 17:11 |
| djszapi | http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/30/keepin-it-real-fake-chinese-nokia-n9-makes-but-minor-sacrifice/ | 17:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, SoWatch. | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, https://gitorious.org/sowatch | 17:19 |
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| w00t | frals: fraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaals >:( | 17:44 |
| Arkenoi | wow | 17:45 |
| Arkenoi | then i will probably buy it | 17:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, I'd recommend it highly. | 18:08 |
| Arkenoi | what is current state of sowatch -- features already implemented? | 18:09 |
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| faenil | heyaa :D | 19:16 |
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| borco | hi | 19:30 |
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| borco | anybody had trouble with using the network after installing the beta2 firmware on n950? | 19:30 |
| borco | do i need to create some aegis spec? any idea where to look for some docs? | 19:30 |
| borco | i need to use udp and to store/read some user files | 19:30 |
| borco | it worked fine before flashing the new firmware and i suspect aegis to be the culprit | 19:31 |
| djszapi | why do you suspect that ? | 19:31 |
| djszapi | any aegis error or ... ? | 19:31 |
| borco | nope, just that it doesn't work and i've read that aegis is now enforced and verifies the capabs | 19:32 |
| borco | right now i have no aegis spec | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | What do you mean trouble using hte network? | 19:33 |
| borco | SpeedEvil: not working at all | 19:33 |
| borco | not connecting | 19:33 |
| djszapi | please...logs... | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | What's not working? | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's the network simply not connecting - then try deleting and recreating the network connection. | 19:34 |
| djszapi | borco: have you tried to check the syslog ? Could you please try to give precise steps how to reproduce the issue ? | 19:35 |
| borco | i get "Cannot assign requested address". when trying to call bind on an udp raw socket. | 19:36 |
| djszapi | have you tried to check the syslog ? Could you please try to give precise steps how to reproduce the issue ? | 19:37 |
| djszapi | precise step as in for instance, snippet representing the issue | 19:38 |
| borco | how do i check the syslog? /var/log/ doesn't have the normal files... | 19:38 |
| djszapi | /var/log/syslog | 19:38 |
| borco | no such file on my n950 | 19:39 |
| djszapi | something very wrong over there ;) | 19:40 |
| borco | everything else works. | 19:40 |
| borco | just flashed today with beta2 | 19:40 |
| borco | worked like a charm before... | 19:41 |
| djszapi | sorry, but without syslog, it is very hard... | 19:41 |
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| borco | djszapi: anyway, were can i read about the aegis spec format? | 19:43 |
| borco | funny things is that my old version from ovi works correctly | 19:44 |
| borco | but the new one, that i'm trying to develop, is not x-( | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd - syslog isn't there | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | is there, I mean | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | onmine | 19:45 |
| borco | why would i miss the /var/log/syslog? any idea how to get it? | 19:45 |
| djszapi | borco: please reflash | 19:45 |
| djszapi | you should have syslog | 19:45 |
| borco | k. | 19:45 |
| borco | will do. hate all this x-( | 19:45 |
| borco | thanx anyway. | 19:45 |
| djszapi | and if that is not talking about aegis, it is not an aegis issue. That is why syslog is very important. | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | borco: Ah | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | borco: Go to settings -> security -> developer - enable the swithc. | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | borco: then reboot, and select syslog | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | err - 'logging' - a package in that same menu | 19:46 |
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| borco | k. now i see it. | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Probbably a good plan to install them all too. | 19:46 |
| borco | i've enabled only developer mode | 19:46 |
| borco | didn't know it'll populate with so much stuff :-/ | 19:47 |
| faenil | guys while updating the packages I got 3-4 errors, what can I do to fix them? retrying doesn't help, and it says those packages are now unusable | 19:47 |
| RST38h | faenil: apt-get -f | 19:48 |
| faenil | oh, ok, bruteforce :D | 19:48 |
| djszapi | faenil: same to you, too. Please provide output and log. Ideally reproducing steps, too. | 19:48 |
| berndhs | also when it says the packages are unusable, that doesn't always mean they are | 19:48 |
| faenil | reproducing steps of what? :D as I said, I was updating packages, and it said there was an error... | 19:49 |
| borco | SpeedEvil: thanx. will check after dinner if installing these solved the problem. but it looks like the right dirrection. | 19:49 |
| djszapi | faenil: how to reproduce an error. You know what you write into a bug report. At any rate, without output and proper log, hard to guess. | 19:49 |
| faenil | djszapi: ...ok .... | 19:50 |
| faenil | I wouldn't write "update and you get errors" because this is not a bug that happens everytime. | 19:50 |
| faenil | anyway, this is a different story, I'll look for the log now | 19:50 |
| RST38h | https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-iPAHMnF8Bss/ToTiA2JIkdI/AAAAAAAADy8/U7alQQXg17s/s576/312749_10150390631218140_291295863139_10125052_330520200_n.jpeg | 19:50 |
| faenil | xD | 19:51 |
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| RST38h | 19:54 | |
| RST38h | 19:55 | |
| faenil | ?? | 19:56 |
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| faenil | reading the log ;) | 20:00 |
| faenil | and loving it :D | 20:01 |
| djszapi | well some love logs, some love woman ;) | 20:01 |
| faenil | woman, woman ;) | 20:02 |
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| * lardman thinks it was a mistake to accept the Qt SDK update at this time on a Friday evening | 20:05 | |
| Venemo | morning | 20:05 |
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| djszapi | Venemo o/ | 20:05 |
| lardman | lol, perfect timing Venemo | 20:05 |
| lardman | and morning :) | 20:05 |
| faenil | don't talk about qt sdk, that crashed some times, and I stopped updating xD | 20:06 |
| Venemo | hey lardman & djszapi | 20:06 |
| Venemo | why is it a perfect timing? :p | 20:06 |
| lardman | it would be nice if it told you how much it was downloading, rather than percentage progress through the total number of downloads | 20:07 |
| lardman | but hey | 20:07 |
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| faenil | mine stayed on 25% for a whole afternoon :) | 20:08 |
| Venemo | lool | 20:08 |
| faenil | I checked it was downloading from windows' task manager.. | 20:08 |
| * lardman wanders off for a while until the update has finished | 20:08 | |
| faenil | then it finished downloading and returned some registry errors about QtCreator23 | 20:08 |
| lardman | faenil: well Windows, that's the first problem ;) | 20:08 |
| faenil | lardman: troll answer :P | 20:08 |
| lardman | (says he who works with Windows machines during the day) | 20:09 |
| faenil | :) | 20:09 |
| faenil | then retried, connection error....ok... | 20:09 |
| lardman | I've not tried under Windows, mainly as afair Qt Creator won't save with specific line endings, which causes problems moving between machines | 20:09 |
| faenil | retried...updater crashed... | 20:09 |
| lardman | anyway bbl | 20:10 |
| faenil | how do I leave vi on n950? XD can't get to command mode... | 20:10 |
| faenil | bb :) | 20:10 |
| * SpeedEvil does his daily click on 'buy now' in angry birds. | 20:10 | |
| faenil | esc doesn't take me to command mode.. | 20:10 |
| faenil | xD | 20:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | On a related matter - I assume there are no public stats for downloads from ovi? | 20:11 |
| djszapi | faenil: just type ':' | 20:12 |
| djszapi | after pressing esc in the terminal. | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - swipe left and right when the vkbd is up swap mmodes | 20:12 |
| faenil | ohhh thanks :) | 20:13 |
| * Arkenoi thinks angry birds magic is supposed to be activated via nfc somehow (which we do not have) | 20:13 | |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: As I understand it, there are 5 'magic' free levels. | 20:14 |
| faenil | ehm...spanish symbols in my keyboard? XD | 20:14 |
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| borco | all works ok now. without changing anything in the code. very strange. at least now i have the syslog... | 20:16 |
| borco | thanx | 20:16 |
| borco | bye | 20:17 |
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| faenil | ok found | 20:18 |
| faenil | pkgmgrd[6201] : GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT' failed | 20:18 |
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| djszapi | so aegis issue, isn't it ? ;) | 20:19 |
| faenil | lol | 20:19 |
| faenil | definitely! | 20:20 |
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| faenil | well if there's nothing doable, I'm going to run apt-get -f | 20:21 |
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| javispedro | ~seen wazd | 20:22 |
| infobot | wazd <~wazd@188.123.241.176> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 9h 41m 19s ago, saying: 'heya'. | 20:23 |
| djszapi | faenil: you did not still provide any log or output, you know. ;) | 20:23 |
| faenil | :O that's what I found in the log...-.- | 20:23 |
| djszapi | there was no error output, just silent fail ? | 20:24 |
| faenil | error output yesterday was "Error updating" or something like that...and you could hit Retry, and get the same error | 20:24 |
| faenil | error output today is "can't trace dependencies for the package" or something like that | 20:24 |
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| faenil | that's what happend on 3 packages (Openssh-server, Meego Terminal, Energy profiler) while with develsh update it just says "update failed" in the GUI | 20:26 |
| RST38h | faenil: What do you want us to do about it? | 20:27 |
| faenil | RST38h: why do people ask for help when they have some problems? :) | 20:28 |
| Venemo | why do I have the feeling that elop is trolling us all on twitter? | 20:29 |
| RST38h | the real elop or the impersonator? | 20:30 |
| faenil | okay, I guess none knows the solution :) I'll go on with aptget -f | 20:31 |
| berndhs | maybe Elop's secret plan is to produce dirt-cheap N9s as feature phones and sell a billion of them | 20:31 |
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| RST38h | Microsoft management all but admits that Elop is a trojan horse | 20:34 |
| sivang | RST38h: I used to ask for a link for those, but this is not relevant here anymore in my opinion :) | 20:36 |
| RST38h | sivang: there is of course a link for this one. | 20:37 |
| faenil | unable to write to /var/cache/atp | 20:37 |
| faenil | The package list or status file could not be opened or parsed | 20:37 |
| faenil | this is what I get after apt-get -f update | 20:38 |
| djszapi | how about syslog ? | 20:38 |
| faenil | looking | 20:38 |
| faenil | nothing... | 20:39 |
| faenil | only wlancond and mce error messages (which are unrelated to the current problem) | 20:40 |
| Venemo | RST38h, sometimes the real one trolls more. | 20:43 |
| sivang | hey faenil , djszapi | 20:43 |
| faenil | hey sivang :) | 20:43 |
| RST38h | Venemo: He think he is being deeply strategic there | 20:43 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Respect that. | 20:43 |
| Venemo | lol | 20:44 |
| RST38h | Maybe he explodes on Christmas Eve, littering Oulu with confetti | 20:45 |
| RST38h | I am sure a lot of Nokians are asking Santa for that | 20:45 |
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| djszapi | faenil: right, so no aegis error, but let it consider aegis issue for firm belief ;) | 20:50 |
| faenil | djszapi: come on bro... | 20:50 |
| djszapi | hi sivang, how are you doing ? :) | 20:50 |
| faenil | I have never said such, so please... | 20:50 |
| sivang | RST38h: :) | 20:50 |
| sivang | RST38h: okay okay, get me the link I can't resist :) | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow: http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/30/sharps-aquos-104sh-monster-phone-hits-softbank-next-spring-col/ | 20:53 |
| faenil | eheheheh | 20:53 |
| faenil | a pretty nice beast :D | 20:53 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Military chaplains allowed to officiate at gay weddings | 20:53 |
| mece | GeneralAntilles, oo.. sounds like a it's gonna be a success. Such big powers behind it and all... Wait, what? | 20:53 |
| * RST38h will go for the Samsung Note though | 20:54 | |
| RST38h | sivang: http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2011/09/friday-friday-friday-microsoft-company.html | 20:55 |
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| sivang | RST38h: whos is SteveSi ? | 21:13 |
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| javispedro | the lack of landscape in most apps is disturbing, and not only because of the hkb. But also because of the portrait vkb that can be triggered virtually nowhere. | 21:17 |
| javispedro | btw, using SYM to popup the VKB in some apps causes "1/2" "2/2" button to actually insert "1/2" in the text field instead of change pages | 21:19 |
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| sivang | javispedro: isn't it triggered with an input field? | 21:32 |
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| Elessar | hi all | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | Moo Elessar | 21:37 |
| RST38h | Elessar: Any hope of flipping pages with gestures? =) | 21:37 |
| Elessar | I wonder, should application be closed at it's update? | 21:37 |
| RST38h | Need sample code for that? | 21:37 |
| RST38h | On Harmattan? No. | 21:37 |
| javispedro | sivang: not when the hkb is popped out | 21:38 |
| Elessar | RST38h: need to redesign FBReader's core architecture for that :) I can't get page by it's number or smth like this | 21:38 |
| RST38h | Elessar: no, not really, you don't | 21:38 |
| fiferboy | Elessar, my changes made it into the repo :) | 21:39 |
| RST38h | Elessar: I have been able to add page flipping by a swipe quite easily on the N900 | 21:39 |
| RST38h | Elessar: No need to know a page number, simply track the swipe gesture and tell FBreader to flip a page | 21:39 |
| fiferboy | Altough I can't reproduce the overlay not disappearing | 21:39 |
| Elessar | RST38h: do you mean changing of number without any animation? immediate changing? | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Elessar: that would do | 21:40 |
| Elessar | fiferboy: but I could( I sadly haven't time yet to find the reason | 21:40 |
| fiferboy | javispedro, need any help on sowatch? | 21:41 |
| Elessar | fiferboy: also, I've made single button "lock/unlock" for screen orientation, I think it's more usable | 21:41 |
| fiferboy | Elessar, I'll see if I can figure out why that would be | 21:41 |
| fiferboy | Elessar, yes I have tried that build and really like it :) | 21:41 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: well, there's a potentially hard topic: I don't know how the calendar appointment alarm is signaled (when the lock screen turns blue, etc.) | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really like having my fiction book and my non-fiction book both open and distinguishable. | 21:42 |
| Elessar | also, I have still beta 1 on my mobile, may be that is the reason | 21:42 |
| fiferboy | Elessar, ah I have only tested the overlay on beta2 | 21:42 |
| fiferboy | could be a system bug then | 21:43 |
| fiferboy | javispedro, I don't have a watch currently but I can try to find out | 21:43 |
| Elessar | RST38h: I've implemented page's change on swipe effect, but found it unusable withoud proper animation | 21:43 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: I mean on the N950, not the watch | 21:43 |
| sivang | javispedro: well, the target device is not supposed to have a hkb so I treat this with understanding :) | 21:44 |
| fiferboy | javispedro, Right | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Elessar: it is better than nothing... | 21:45 |
| Elessar | btw, user won't know about application's update without manual killing of application? | 21:45 |
| RST38h | Elessar: btw, you do not nedmore than the current page to do animation, simply clear current age to background in diagonal direction, quickly | 21:45 |
| RST38h | Elessar then immediately show the next page | 21:46 |
| Elessar | RST38h: I want to make this action at the same time with animation, or you really want it now? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Elessar: Frankly? Want. Now. :) | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Even if it feels awkward at the moment, it beats wearing out volume keys | 21:46 |
| fiferboy | RST38h, why not tap scroll? | 21:47 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: too easy to trigger by error | 21:47 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: remember how I had to add swipeto the maemo5 version? | 21:47 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: ecause the tap scroll was finicky | 21:48 |
| fiferboy | RST38h, yeah | 21:48 |
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| fiferboy | Tap scroll seems improved to me now | 21:48 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: I can live without animation or with simplified animation where page gets cleared diagonally | 21:48 |
| fiferboy | Although I do sometimes trigger by mistake | 21:48 |
| RST38h | fiferboy:but definitely want the swipe :) | 21:48 |
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| Elessar | ok, I'll do it after finishing of book's buying part :) | 21:51 |
| Elessar | also | 21:51 |
| Elessar | > btw, user won't know about application's update without manual killing of application? | 21:51 |
| Elessar | answer me, please :) | 21:52 |
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| fiferboy | javispedro, do you know if the calendar uses QtOrganizer API? | 21:56 |
| Elessar | nobody knows? | 21:56 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: no idea... afaik, it is based partially on kcal | 21:56 |
| fiferboy | hmm, might just be a matter of connecting to the correct backend with QOrganizer | 21:58 |
| fiferboy | Although rarely are things that simple | 22:00 |
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| javispedro | been pretty happy with the "Main" notification system -- libnotificationsystem -- so far | 22:03 |
| javispedro | complete lack of documentation, headers partially broken, but it works! :D | 22:04 |
| javispedro | (it helped that it is technically part of the handsetux and thus free) | 22:04 |
| javispedro | s/free/open | 22:05 |
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| fiferboy | I'll check qorganizer tonight | 22:05 |
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| ieatlint | ssh update on the n950 | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | both client and server | 22:07 |
| ieatlint | must be a security hole issue | 22:08 |
| RST38h | javispedro; Any hope to recreate headers from the dead sea scrolls? | 22:08 |
| javispedro | RST38h: you mean for notifications? already done | 22:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro:to the wiki! | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: Amazon In Talks With HP To Buy Palm | 22:10 |
| * javispedro explodes in laughter | 22:10 | |
| RST38h | Stop laughing and welcome your potential new overlords! | 22:11 |
| RST38h | (besides, Bezos started impersonating Jobs lately, black turtleneck, jeans and all) | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | The first round of internet billionaires - the one doing really cool stuff is Elon Musk. | 22:15 |
| ieatlint | yahoo should buy webos from hp | 22:15 |
| ieatlint | not because it makes sense, but because they're yahoo | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: next up, cancer! | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.space.com/13140-spacex-private-reusable-rocket-elon-musk.html | 22:16 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps <-- getting more evil by the day | 22:16 |
| fiferboy | javispedro, yeah looks like kcal | 22:18 |
| * javispedro gtg, friday afternoon et al :) | 22:18 | |
| javispedro | cya | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Wave! | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | HAve fun for the weekend. | 22:18 |
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| gri | Anyone knows if I can change the remote action which is called by clicking on the "new sms" notification? | 22:29 |
| gri | for me it does seem like: no way | 22:29 |
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