IRC log of #harmattan for Sunday, 2011-09-25

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MohammadAGkswap0 making my N950 unusable00:59
MohammadAGmusic skips a lot, UI lags01:00
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macmaNi havent experienced music skipping at all01:03
macmaNand thats one of my primary use cases for the thing01:03
MohammadAGmacmaN, neither have I, till this thing started overheating01:04
MohammadAGalready contacted Nokia for a replacement, but i can't ship it till tuesday01:05
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javispedroMohammadAG: in a few hours it will be trying to kill you01:11
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MohammadAGi think that part already passed01:21
MohammadAGanyway, off to bed, night01:22
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Tried flsahing?01:24
ieatlintit doesn't want to kill you, instead you'll leave your phone plugged into your laptop as you go to bed, and wake up to find windows installed01:50
lkslawekthat could be expected :>01:53
ieatlintanyone else use this on harmattan successfully?
javispedrodammit, I wanted to interrogate MAG about qmafw =)02:36
* SpeedEvil notes GeneralAntilles has turned into a skunk.03:34
* GeneralAntilles shoots lasers at SpeedEvil.03:38
* javispedro teases GeneralAntilles with his metawatch that already vibrates during a incoming call03:39
* javispedro raises laser-proof mirror shield03:40
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, reading your Aegis post made me sad for the death of the platform03:40
GeneralAntillesand losing things.03:40
javispedrothe sad part is the silence03:42
javispedroand losing lcuk :(03:44
GeneralAntillesSad, sad sad03:44
GeneralAntillesThey have forced promoted tweets now?03:50
GeneralAntillesIs Twitter really that hard-up for cash?03:50
javispedroforced promoted tweets? :S03:51
GeneralAntillesYeah, there was a promoted Tweet from Moen in my Timeline.03:52
GeneralAntillesI don't follow Moen and nobody I followed retweeted it03:52
GeneralAntillesIt was "Promoted"03:52
SpeedEvilA hell of a lot of depressing things recently.03:55
SpeedEvilThe windows secure boot.03:55
javispedrothe entire windows 8 is depressing03:56
SpeedEvilEU extending copyright terms again.03:56
SpeedEvilPatent reform basically failing in the US.03:56
javispedroinstead of wp7 being replaced, wp7 will replace =)03:56
SpeedEvilWell - and yes - the on topic things.03:56
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, the patent reform was bullshit anyway.03:57
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: yes.03:58
GeneralAntillesMostly penned by huge patent portfolio holders.03:58
SpeedEvilAt one point it looked hopeful.03:58
GeneralAntillesPatent law as it was originally written is what needs to be used.03:58
SpeedEvilAnd copyright.03:58
SpeedEvil'for a limited term'03:58
GeneralAntillesOriginally written03:58
GeneralAntillesBefore Disney started screwing with it.03:59
SpeedEvilThen of course there is the pure joy of legislatures worldwide being pressured by the US to conform to ridiculous copyright standards.04:00
SpeedEvilWithout national public oversight.04:00
GeneralAntillesFunny, most of government in the US would work pretty well as originally written.04:00
GeneralAntillesWORLD GOVERNMENT04:00
SpeedEvil'two thirds of a white man'04:00
GeneralAntillesWE WANT MOAR04:00
SpeedEvilOr was it one.04:00
GeneralAntillesIt's not as exciting as most history books make it04:01
berndhsthree fifth I think it was04:01
GeneralAntillesThe issue was actually northern states wanting the southern ones to have less voting power.04:01
SpeedEvilI know.04:01
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GeneralAntillesWhich is why I said /most/, not /all/.04:01
SpeedEvilA hell of a lot of things get vastly simplified by the 'winners'04:02
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: you might be interested to know about N950 delivered 5V VBUS a few hours ago04:02
GeneralAntillesLike the US Civil War.04:02
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, orly?04:02
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: It was all about the tea!04:02
* GeneralAntilles loves this community.04:02
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: Americans really hate tea. That's why they left the empire.04:03
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, well, that it's simplified to being "about slavery" when it was vastly more complex than that.04:03
GeneralAntillesNo, we just hate /British/ tea.04:03
SpeedEvilYou can tell it to seven year olds, and they can understand it.04:03
GeneralAntillesSweet tea is wonderful. :P04:03
javispedroSpeedEvil: I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter04:03
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: first step direction USB hostmode04:04
SpeedEvil(not strictly my views, but I found it amusing)04:04
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, I find UKers talking about effectively governing yourself incredibly ironic. :P04:05
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: Indeed.04:05
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SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: The current government is ... a hell of a lot of hot air, and not much more.04:06
GeneralAntillesOnly people who vote here are authoritarian assholes04:06
SpeedEvilAlso - 'cuts are good for you'04:06
GeneralAntillesthe rest of the electorate is filled with morons.04:06
GeneralAntillesFor some reason they all want the government to have as much power as possible04:07
GeneralAntillesDespite repeated demonstrations of its fallibility.04:07
SpeedEvilOne I made earlier.04:08
SpeedEvilThere seem to be no fake n9s on ebay04:11
javispedronoone can fake aegis!04:13
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: which token is needed to access /sys/*/i2c? And will this token be available?04:15
SpeedEvilLogically, that's a token that should never ever be available04:16
SpeedEvilAs there is stuff you can actually bork.04:16
javispedrothis is aegis you're talking about04:16
DocScrutinizerthought as much04:16
SpeedEvil(set voltage regulators too high for the chips)04:16
SpeedEvil(I have no idea of the actual security)04:17
javispedroI think they are wide open04:19
SpeedEvilI could actually believe that.04:19
DocScrutinizersure, you don't need to lock /sys to protect IP and DRM04:20
javispedroDocScrutinizer: you've not read the parts where I complain that the current aegis policy is totally inadequate and allows virtually everything save for pissing devs04:21
DocScrutinizeryeah sure04:21
javispedroDocScrutinizer: try echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-2/2-004b/disable_ts04:21
SpeedEviljavispedro: 'crack screen' joke app04:21
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: unlocked system here atm ;-D04:21
javispedrowell, don't try before I check it's reversible04:21
SpeedEvilThat, and an appropriate wallpaper04:21
javispedroyes, it's reversible04:21
javispedroDocScrutinizer: same, but I don't see anything in the way.04:22
DocScrutinizeraaah yes, "see" was the key04:22
DocScrutinizeris all this just about executing an unsigned binary?04:25
javispedroit has not even executed the binary yet04:25
javispedroso no way it can know it opens i2c device nodes04:25
javispedrotry binhash.py04:25
DocScrutinizerwow, clean04:28
javispedrowhat's that burning smell? ;)04:28
DocScrutinizerwhat does disable_ts ?04:29
javispedrodisable ts ;)04:29
DocScrutinizernot here04:29
javispedroit certainly does here04:29
javispedro1 disables, 0 enables04:29
DocScrutinizerwell, swipe and whatnot just works ... aaah sth reset it to 004:30
javispedroprobably mce during lock04:31
javispedroor should I say, unlock ;P04:31
javispedrooh, this one is more interesting04:31
javispedroDocScrutinizer: what does that tool of yours really access? /dev/i2c* or /sys/*i2c* ?04:32
DocScrutinizerooh, probably /dev04:32
javispedroyeah, those _are_ protected04:32
* DocScrutinizer seems tired04:32
DocScrutinizerlemme check04:32
javispedroyou need either cracked or GRP::i2c04:33
DocScrutinizerI will read from device file /dev/i2c-2, chip address 0x6b, data address04:33
DocScrutinizer0x00, using read byte data.04:33
DocScrutinizerContinue? [Y/n] n04:33
javispedrobut you have broken aegis, remember? ;P04:34
DocScrutinizerthought it should still log04:34
javispedroah, ok, got the point04:34
javispedronah, it will not log04:34
DocScrutinizerI gather GRP::i2c isn't available from SDK and not even from OVI?04:36
DocScrutinizerhow are my chances to convince Nokia to sign i2ctools? :-P04:37
DocScrutinizerI bet04:37
javispedrobut, that is not the problem04:37
javispedroyou are not loading modules, I think that's more of a killer...04:38
DocScrutinizeryes, I know04:38
SpeedEvilA bit of reading leads me to understand that the 2^51 attack is if you can choose both plaintexts.05:13
SpeedEvilIf you can't - it's more like 2^108 to find a hash collision with a known hash05:14
javispedroECHAN ;=05:17
SpeedEvilsomething like that05:18
GeneralAntillesDid anybody ever put up a feed for xkcd #941?05:19
javispedroyou can simulate =)05:26
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jykaeCould someone here with n950 test MPhoto? I probably have problem with photoload thread, getting segfault12:24
jykaewould be happy if someone could help get over with this12:25
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Venemomornin guys :)12:36
rantommorning Venemo12:38
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vladesthave no sound from qsound on harmattan12:49
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vladestnice, qsound doesnt works for harmattan13:01
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hiemanshuvladest: you'll need to use MTF mostly13:03
hiemanshuor QML13:03
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vladestto heqq qml13:03
vladestqApp->beep() doesnt works too13:04
Venemohello rantom :)13:04
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rantomhello Venemo13:06
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hiemanshuvladest: like I said, MTF or QML, nothing else works13:10
vladesthiemanshu: rewriting for qmediaplayer13:11
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griAnyone else having the issue that QtCreator with madde sometimes (around every 10th build) empties qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan/manifest.aegis?13:34
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SpeedEvilFail. The battery low notification sound should trigger a battery low notification messasage like SMS or whatever on next unlock14:00
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DocScrutinizerto whom it may concern: started a thread about H-E-N for N9(50) on FMC now:
alterego(do want) :P14:42
vladestDocScrutinizer so, usb OTG aorund the corner?14:43
hiemanshuvladest: not with aegis in the path14:43
DocScrutinizernot exactly yet, but basically the hw is capable, at least it seems to be for all we know right now14:43
alteregoThe HW is capable of OTG?14:44
SpeedEvilalterego: Seemingly, yes14:44
SpeedEvilBut hostmode certainly14:44
alteregoAwesome, I heard that was a case a while ago from a friend ..14:44
SpeedEvilDoes anyone actually care about actual OTG?14:45
alteregoWell, not particularly now :)14:46
alteregoExcept for the auto negotiation ..14:46
DocScrutinizerauto negotiation is a property of generic USB hosts. Just N900 H-E-N needed such ugly hacks to work around some he mess that it didn't work for that device14:47
DocScrutinizerno need to bring the mind boggling OTG14:48
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DocScrutinizerbtw N9 is *not* capable of true OTG, if only it was for the wrong (B-type) USB receptacle ;-)14:49
DocScrutinizeran OTG device per definition needs a AB receptacle14:49
DocScrutinizerthat's also the reason why N8 OTG adapters won't fit to N9 (except for you filing down the edges of the micro plug so it fits into the B receptacles ;-D )14:51
alteregoCould get an adpater14:52
DocScrutinizerwhich btw is sth I need to do now :-/14:52
alteregoWhy can't you just use what we use for N900?14:53
alteregoA normal capable and gender bender?14:53
alterego~cable ..14:53
DocScrutinizerID pin14:56
alteregoYou're hacking in an ID pin?14:56
DocScrutinizerthe whole purpose of ID and OTG is to auto-switch to A role aka hostmode when a plug with ID pin grounded gets inserted to the OTG AB receptacle14:57
alteregoYeah, I sort of forgot that :P14:58
DocScrutinizeron N9 we got a promising "standard" circuitry around ID pin. So it'd be insane to forget about first trying the "normal" way to enter A-role14:59
DocScrutinizerI honestly don't plan to go the N900 hack path with forcing musb_hdrc into host test mode on N915:00
DocScrutinizerat least not until I've tested physical ID pin grounding and the usual sw method to tell PHY "chip" to simulate this ID-to-GND event15:01
DocScrutinizerI've found out Nokia EE did such an awesome job on N9 that hostmode possibly works even OOTB for all but USB stack missing the relevant bits to handle OTG mode transitions and hostmode properly - means possibly even vboost gets enabled on a mere hw level without any need for a booston script etc15:05
DocScrutinizerbut I need a proper A plug with ID pin correctly grounded, to verify that - also I need the twl4030 user manual that explains exactly how the whole USB PHY gear in this chip works15:07
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vladestwhy I have red icon on n950 desktop after install my app.15:57
SpeedEvilAnd no, I don't know the right solution16:00
SpeedEvilOn fremantle, you would kill hildon-desktop to get it to reload the icons16:02
RST38hvladest: icon cache does not update16:02
DocScrutinizerI wonder if they ever get to fix this issue for good16:03
vladestold good symbian story16:03
SpeedEvilMost of the ovi store stuff seems to get it right16:03
DocScrutinizerMy take on it is: dpkg fist installs .desktop file, inotify triggers icon cache refresh, then after that almost finished the dpkg installs the actual icon. Should be fixable worst hack with a sleep 516:05
RST38hWell, all it takes is a little postinst trick16:05
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: My take on it is: dpkg first installs .desktop file, inotify triggers icon cache refresh, then after that almost finished the dpkg installs the actual icon. Should be fixable worst hack with a sleep 516:05
DocScrutinizerRST38h: all it needs is proper sequence of files to install16:05
RST38hwell,don'thave controlofthisone16:06
DocScrutinizeror a silly simple fix the the daemon that watches for changes in /usr/share/applications/* and then triggers the icon caching16:06
RST38hcannot control this oneeither16:06
DocScrutinizeror yeah you do a dirty simply "touch /usr/share/applications/myapp.desktop" in postinstall script16:07
RST38hactually, I force recaching icons16:07
RST38hall icons16:08
DocScrutinizerRST38h: it's not about what *you* can control, when we're talking about " I wonder if they ever get to fix this issue for good"16:08
RST38hThe answer to your question is rather clear, isn't it?16:08
SpeedEvil'Please reboot to fix icon, thanks'16:09
SpeedEvilMore seriously - some of the free stuff in ovis tore the icon works16:09
SpeedEvilSo it must be possible16:09
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DocScrutinizerit depends on number and sequence of files to install in your .dpkg16:10
DocScrutinizeralso on system load etc16:10
DocScrutinizergeneral solution: the cacher process should wait for dpkg/apt to quit16:11
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DocScrutinizer(all this is mere handwaving, based on observation and deduction)16:11
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* SpeedEvil finds game with ads in, that don't actually work.16:14
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DocScrutinizerwhat's the final word on downgrading to beta1 now?16:15
DocScrutinizerpossible or not?16:15
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vladestwhy I' ve got the error: : denied 'mce::DeviceModeControl' -- origin '' does not allow it16:21
MohammadAGvladest, yes, screwing with mce can kill the user, so we're not given access16:27
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DocScrutinizert worry16:41
hiemanshube happy16:41
DocScrutinizeron N9 you're probably not supposed to do anything with mce anyway16:41
MohammadAGso what's the news on the meteor/commet thingy16:43
DocScrutinizervladest: say "thank you aegis"!16:43
DocScrutinizermeteor thingy?16:43
MohammadAGpeople saying there's something hitting SF or NYC or sth16:44
MohammadAGtomorrow apparently16:44
DocScrutinizerNASA says a satellite comes/came down and they weren't able to exactly tell where - until those news hit your regions they mutated to "meteor hitting NY"16:45
vladest? via mce16:47
MohammadAGyes, you can turn on a LED that can cause the user to implode16:47
MohammadAGor lock the screen causing epic confusion16:48
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: >>C/2010 X1 made its closest approach to the Sun (perihelion) on 10 September 2011 at a distance of 0.4824 AU (72,170,000 km; 44,840,000 mi).[3] Assuming it has not disintigrated, will make its closest approach to the Earth on 16 October 2011, at a distance of 0.2338 AU (34,980,000 km; 21,730,000 mi)[3] or slightly closer than the planet Venus, at a relative velocity of 86,000 km/h.<< thanks for letting us all know16:56
macmaNsurprise surprise, ovi suite works in virtualbox XP, but not with Vista+17:11
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alteregomacmaN: good to know. Does ovi work with N950 now?17:31
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macmaNalterego: yep, syncing both Contacts and Messages17:31
alteregoI'll have to check that out later.17:32
macmaNalthough the Message progress bar isnt exactly moving17:33
macmaNit only imported messages from device apparently17:34
macmaNok looking at ovi suite prefs, i dont think it even has two-way sync for messages implemented for at least n900 and n95017:38
macmaNmight be different for symbian, but i dont have any to test17:38
macmaNstrange thing was it wouldnt recognize n950 through usb though :/17:39
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MohammadAG   20     2 root     RW       0  0.0 60.5 [kswapd0] <- this normal?18:16
MohammadAG   20     2 root     RW       0  0.0 79.8 [kswapd0]18:18
MohammadAGmy N950's lagging way too much18:18
MohammadAG   20     2 root     RW       0  0.0 86.4 [kswapd0] <-- more fun18:19
MohammadAGit even persists after a reboot18:19
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macmaNprobably not18:31
macmaNif swap's on mmc, maybe the media is borked18:31
RST38hMohammadAG: Does htop say anything useful?18:31
RST38hlags + overheats = something is running18:32
MohammadAGRST38h, it persisted across a reflash too18:32
RST38hweird shit18:32
RST38hwifi access point might be to blame btw18:32
MohammadAGRST38h, kswap0 is a kernel module18:33
MohammadAGor part of the kernel18:33
MohammadAGhtop won't show it18:33
macmaNreally? if you enable kernel threads?18:35
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MohammadAGhow do I do that?18:39
Venemoso, here are my pixel errors:
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* MohammadAG photoshops a red-back N950 to show his overheating issue18:40
RST38hMohammad: You think it is swaping?18:40
RST38hThere is some utility in dev tools showing swap activity18:40
macmaNMohammadAG: its in the Setup screen of htop, F218:40
VenemoMohammadAG, lol.18:40
MohammadAGRST38h, I think it's defective18:41
MohammadAGtill now overheating (not cause of kswap0 sometimes)18:41
MohammadAGGPS doesn't work18:41
MohammadAGno LED keyboard sysnodes18:41
MohammadAGVenemo, it's WP7 hatching out from within!18:42
MohammadAGhide yo kids n hide yo wife18:42
TronicIs anyone else annoyed by the bad quality OLED screen of N9?18:42
macmaNnow thats a good guess there MohammadAG18:42
macmaNsome true avp shit18:42
RST38hTronic: Yes, we are all very much annoyed by it. No having seenN9 in real life helps too18:43
MohammadAGOn the bright side18:43
MohammadAGthe lag kswap0's making makes my music sounds like DJ mixes18:43
MohammadAGVenemo, hmm, so the pixel error doesn't follow orientation18:43
macmaNTronic: im definitely not unhappy about the screen of this phone that i received basically for free18:43
MohammadAGfile a bug18:43
TronicI was testing it briefly in a store and was instantly annoyed by the PenTile (I guess) pattern.18:43
TronicI would rather use the LCD of N950 than such OLED.18:44
MohammadAGif there's no "Screen" component on bugzilla file it under Aegis18:44
macmaNoh youre talking about N918:44
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MohammadAGnobody likes braggers :P18:44
faenilwasn't the N9's OLED one of the best ever made? that's what previews said..18:44
TronicSamsung GS2 has Super AMOLED Plus that actually has RGB pixels (SGS had one without the "Plus" part, with PenTile).18:45
MohammadAGfaenil, on the contrary18:45
SpeedEvilI have real issues with pentile - as-is18:45
MohammadAGTronic, SGSII isn't better tbh18:45
SpeedEvilThe fundamental problem is that the softwar rendering needs to know about it.18:45
MohammadAGscreen suffers from burn ins18:45
MohammadAGI'm talking about experiencing that18:45
faenilhow does that come...-.-18:45
faenileveryone was saying N9's oled was the best...18:46
faenilI hate when this happensa18:46
MohammadAGhad a website on the screen for a minute and the text got burned in18:46
TronicMohammadAG: Uh, looks like OLED isn't that super after all :/18:46
MohammadAGno one said it was the best18:46
MohammadAGAMOLED != OLED though18:46
SpeedEvilCurrently the software thinks it's a simple raster display, and there is a crappy chip converting.18:46
MohammadAGSAMOLED+ sucks18:46
MohammadAGthe screen is good for one reason, it's curved18:46
MohammadAGthe PenTile arrangement is meh though18:46
MohammadAGbrb, I think the steak on the N950's done18:47
faenilall previews did...18:47
MohammadAGdamn, burned it18:47
VenemoMohammadAG, lol18:53
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VenemoMohammadAG, AMOLED = Active Matrix OLED19:11
MohammadAGVenemo, being a subset does not mean it equals it19:11
MohammadAGis it possible to serialize QObjects?19:11
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specialMohammadAG: not inherently. The closest thing to serialization is QDataStream, and you'll need to implement it yourself for custom types.19:43
special..if you spend the last half hour still wondering about that19:43
macmaNwhat was the battery model in n95019:58
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MohammadAGspecial, might just end up using QHash20:10
MohammadAGsince I just wanted to store QPixmaps/QStrings20:10
MohammadAGthen send them over a socket20:10
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ieatlintinterestingly, the phonetorch app keeps the on22:43
specialI wonder if it's possible to get torch on while recording video22:45
specialbuilt-in video lighting, if the horrid red recording state doesn't interfere with it22:45
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SpeedEvilBroken - you can't have the videocamera running while in another app22:49
DocScrutinizerbut you maybe can have the flash LEDs running while in camera app22:51
DocScrutinizerquite probably not, though22:51
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specialyeah, that's what I was thinking22:54
specialbut, I wouldn't be surprised if the recording light prevents it.22:54
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SpeedEvilspecial: no reason it should23:04
SpeedEvilI just triesd the flashlight app and teh video camera together - doesn't work, as expected23:04
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MohammadAGVisual Basic is weird, and fun23:46
MohammadAGI don't get how I don't have to instantiate an.. instance23:47
javispedrodoes anyone know of a way to get qmf/fenix/messaging framework to dump sent/received commands during mail check?23:47
MohammadAGI guess you could patch qmf23:47
javispedrono sources..23:50
javispedro(for beta2 I mean)23:50
MohammadAGjavispedro, can't we sue?23:50
MohammadAGwell, demand sources first then sue23:51
MohammadAGalso I guess upstream QMF works, if that exists23:51
javispedroprobably, but as said, legalese usually destroys legalese, not enhaces it.23:51
javispedro*destroys communication23:51
SpeedEviljavispedro: tcpdump23:54
javispedrosadly, it's an SSL socket.23:54
SpeedEvilDownload the diginodar root key off torrent, roll your own cert, MITM23:55
javispedrobut it's not a bad point, actually...23:55
SpeedEviltcpdump is actually in dev-tools23:56
javispedroI am getting this from time to time using fenix: "Unexpected response from server: -ERR Command not accepted^M ". It usually keeps going like that for hours until it suddenly starts working again23:57
javispedrothought it was network related, but today I realized N900 can check mail just fine23:57
MohammadAGone question23:57
MohammadAGWHY POP23:58
javispedrowhy not?23:58
ieatlintSpeedEvil: wait, really, the root cert was publicly leaked?23:58
MohammadAGwhy not imap?23:58
SpeedEvilieatlint: I don't believe so, but would not be 100% surprised.23:58
SpeedEvilieatlint: Especially if you wave wadges of cash around.23:59
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