IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2011-09-19

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ieatlinthas anyone used a microsim to minisim adapter on a phone with a spring loaded slot like the n950?00:40
ieatlintam wondering if i'm kidding myself in thinking one would work, or if it would just be incredibly tedious00:40
SpeedEvilieatlint: DO_NOT00:47
SpeedEvilSomeone screwed their n950 doing that00:47
SpeedEvilThe little contacts get caught up on the edges00:47
ieatlintthanks for the warning... i somehow feared i would screw something up00:50
TronicIsn't such an adapter simply a piece of plastic shaped like a minisim but with a microsim-sized hole on it?01:08
TronicSuch adapter would seem pretty safe on N950.01:09
TronicPossibly with a drop of superclue or a small piece of tape to hold the microsim in place.01:10
berndhsyeah, apply the superglue directly into the SIM slot of the phone :)01:12
SpeedEvilTronic: yes.01:16
SpeedEvilTronic: But someone broke their n950 with it01:16
SpeedEvilIf the resultant SIM is smooth, there should be no danger01:16
SpeedEvilBut if the contacts that rub along the surface can get caught in the gap, ...01:16
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ieatlintman, i need to keep a 13 year old kid around to press the "i accept" button on EULAs05:56
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rzrdo u know fenix's options from cli ?10:33
rzrin my case its crashing on refresh10:34
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djszapiMohammadAG: sorry, was afk nowadays, how about your haptic question, got resolved ?10:51
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djszapiMohammadAG: populate menu as in example here then call         menu->appear(); you can pass window pointer to appear or if you don't active window will be used normally though you would set action location and the framework will make the menu for you, either object (context) or application menu10:53
djszapiMohammadAG: I'm not too sure about this, but browsing sources results in: "/ The Input Feedback page is temporary disabled since the common widget components do not have haptics right now." there is void MStatusBarView::playHapticsFeedback(), I don't know if it works or not
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vladesthi all11:13
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lamikrDAILY: Worked with eglwmcore for getting ui up on meltemi. Continuing with that.11:21
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djszapiMohammadAG: also, feedbacks should be enabled by default for MButton.11:29
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ajalkaneI'd like more status updates on meltemi :p11:47
* Stskeeps plays with Mer, much more interesting11:48
ajalkaneIt seems interesting11:48
djszapiwhat do you find interesting (no offense, just wondering) ?11:48
ajalkaneIt's a wind. Not much is known about it. I guess I find the unknown interesting.11:49
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tkeisalawi ajalkane11:51
djszapiat least it is still a valid reason for Nokia to work on Qt5. After that, who knows..11:52
ajalkaneAh ok, so the next billion project. Well it all depends how well or poorly Wp7 strategy goes11:55
fluxstskeeps, so mer didn't just fold when harmattan was announced?11:55
Stskeepsflux: s/harmattan/meego/ and who says we ever died :P11:56
* DocScrutinizer is bored by Nokia's OS tango11:56
Stskeepswe just kept on pushing as part of meego11:56
fluxstskeeps, well, says "Mer is now an inactive project, due to the introduction of the MeeGo ( project which shares a similar mission as Mer. Mer was a community research project into an open and openly developed Maemo platform."11:56
djszapiajalkane: it can even happen they sell the Qt development division for another company. :) They could actually do that, since there was not that high fluctuation in that area.11:56
Stskeepswe're kinda planning towards restarting the project as meego doesn't follow basic philosophies we stand for, starting with a meego derived core11:57
Stskeeps(to be blunt)11:57
Stskeeps - a tiny 302 source package core, portable11:57
DocScrutinizerhard to regain credibility on such a move11:57
DocScrutinizersuch a sequence of moves11:58
fluxwell, releases speak loudly :)11:59
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kkitowhere to buy the n9?12:09
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DocScrutinizera short chronology: OM2007, qtmoko, mer for OM, OM2008, H:1, SHR, diablo, fremantle, meego-DE/CE, "meego" HARM, mer-II (I for sure missed several). Seen all those come and most of them bite the dust. Not particularly interested in bleeding edge anymore. New stuff is not always better stuff12:11
DocScrutinizerooh I missed mer-I12:11
Stskeepsyou had that in 'mer for om'12:12
DocScrutinizersomewhat yeah12:12
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: supposedly the firmware release has been greenlighted, so you can get rid of aegis12:12
DocScrutinizerI'm disgusted to a degree where I'm not even inclined to ask what this means12:14
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: as in, firmware for n950 is very close to release and allows you to flash own rootfs/kernel12:14
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DocScrutinizerincredible - just how does that help to bring good really new ground breaking apps to N9 joe average-customer?12:15
Stskeepsprolly not much12:16
fluxI guess similar to the i-product jailbreaking scene..12:16
DocScrutinizereven less12:16
fluxin any case, I think developers will be more happy to experiment and coexist with aegis once there's a way out ;-)12:17
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kkitowhat is the best way to store configuration for harmattan apps? Theres gconf bindings or something like that?12:28
kkitousing qt/qml12:28
djszapiQSettings ?12:29
ajalkaneqsettings is easiest12:29
djszapibut it depends on the current requirement for sure as well.12:30
spenap, kkito12:31
kkitospenap: thx :)12:33
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MohammadAGanyone succeeded in using led-event-notifier?12:40
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thpis the new n950 firmware available already, or is its release just greenlit and the release not uploaded yet?12:45
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Stskeepsgreenlit, underway12:45
* macmaN howls to the moon12:46
sandst1Stskeeps: how long is the underway? :)12:47
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Stskeepssandst1: we lure everyone into it, then light fires on both ends12:47
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* leinir joins macmaN, and then realises that howling and having a cold doesn't mix :P12:49
macmaNha, i just repaired throat over the past few days12:49
sandst1macmaN: by howling?:)12:50
djszapithat always helps :)12:50
macmaNoldfashioned rather12:51
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macmaNlots of hot tea and sucking on those neoangin candy like its my jo12:51
djszapikimju: did you get an idea after all for the scheduler kernel issue ?12:52
macmaNbut had i known about the firmware earlier, i mightve been howling too, who cares about the throat when firmware is coming12:52
djszapiwell, you will complain about the new firmware then anyways =)12:52
alteregoWe have a firmware update?!12:55
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Stskeepsit will come, at least12:55
alteregozehjotkah made it sound like it was out12:56
Stskeepsit got greenlighted, so any time now12:56
alteregoBloody insiders12:56
* alterego jumps in the shower whilst breakfast is cooking.12:56
alteregoThat means a week of testing meego C efor the N950?12:57
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MohammadAGor forwardporting Maemo 512:59
Stskeepsi do consider at times to try that, just for kicks12:59
MohammadAGI just wanna see how hildon-desktop and hildon apps run13:01
sandst1the oneclickflasher is also named 34-2, however it seems to be failing currently with "Unexpected EOF in archive"..13:16
Stskeepssandst1: probably still uploading13:17
sandst1Stskeeps: yup13:17
macmaNhow'd you find that13:17
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sandst1macmaN: the release notes link in the 22-6 points to the new one already : D13:18
sandst1Here's a direct link:
Stskeepswarning: your backups may not be re-loadable from 22-6 to 34-213:19
djszapimmm, just 3-4 weeks old image.13:19
Stskeepsso keep that in mind when you upgrade13:19
sandst1Stskeeps: good point13:19
Stskeepssave your mom's phonenumber, etc13:19
djszapithat is false, contacts simply work.13:19
sandst1i think people will just swap their mom's phone number to angry birds :P13:20
macmaNchangelog doesnt show 4sq app13:20
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macmaNi'm finding no way to navigate to n950 fw through web browser13:28
kkitooh, the changelog is nice, but where is the fw?13:28
macmaNit's showing firmware links here13:29
macmaNdirect link:
kkitothx, !13:30
macmaNouch 0 byte downloads :>13:31
djszapiinteresting, it downloads here.13:32
kkitowindows flasher link works13:32
MohammadAGdownloads here too13:32
MohammadAG41 mins left13:32
macmaNaha mac flasher downloads13:32
djszapinot 565MB though13:32
macmaNgotta love 2MB/sec downloads13:32
MohammadAG592 here13:32
macmaNfrom internetz13:32
MohammadAGoh right13:33
djszapi488 here.13:33
MohammadAGshould try and download it on a server13:33
macmaNmac is 56513:33
macmaNare there md5sums available13:33
kkitomacmaN: 2 mb/sec for a 0 byte download is fun13:33
spenapyes, I wouldn't flash without md5sums13:33
alteregoWait, is the update OTA?13:33
macmaNkkito: yes, it is infinitely fast :> almost star trek13:33
Ravi194k / second13:33
MohammadAGyeah, cause we have an application manager aleksander_m13:34
Ravi36 mins to go :)13:34
djszapimacmaN: star trek effect here, too :p13:34
MohammadAGhaha, 5 minutes on the server13:34
MohammadAGmake that 313:34
macmaNbtw this is a fun rss feed:
djszapianybody coming to the Finnish-Russian meego conference in Oulu ?13:35
macmaNugh oulu is kinda far'ish13:35
MohammadAGdjszapi, that 488 file, is it the linux one?13:35
djszapiMohammadAG: I think so.13:36
MohammadAG565MBs here13:36
MohammadAGthis update removes developer edition branding13:37
Stskeepsthank god13:37
Raviwindows 453 mb :-/13:37
MohammadAGStskeeps, I liked that13:37
MohammadAGmd5sum is 6eb05b04842fb9fae2451dc266888eb913:38
macmaNhm, only linux doesnt download then13:38
MohammadAGmacmaN, downloaded fine here13:38
MohammadAGsince there aren't any tokens, I guess a direct link won't harm
Ravican anyone downloading windows version confirm the file size13:38
macmaNoh? damn it startreks here13:38
djszapimacmaN: yes far'ish, but fun'ish :)13:38
kkitoRavi: 581 mb13:39
Raviit's showing 453 mb...i think i should restart the download :)13:40
Ravikkito can you give me direct link?13:40
macmaNheh, now linux stopped at 2,0MB13:40
MohammadAGamd64 flasher \o/13:41
macmaNguess im stuck with mac's13:41
macmaNi think contacts is the only thing i really want to back up13:41
MohammadAGthis firmware will probably stop unseal.ko from working13:42
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StskeepsMohammadAG: yes, but otoh, you can get rid of harmattan13:42
kimjuLinux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin 511314373 bytes, md5sum: 4cb49c2506e4212ee6c65f9b8a0e69ea13:42
MohammadAGmine's larger13:43
Ravi@kkito thanks13:43
macmaNit's showing 488MB for me too for linux13:43
djszapikimju:  /* Do not allow realtime tasks into groups that have no runtime assigned. */ -> kernel/sched.c line 657713:44
MohammadAGkimju, -rwxr-xr-x 1 mohammad mohammad 592272572 Sep 19 06:12 Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin13:44
spenapMohammadAG, got the image now and it has the same md5sum as you13:44
djszapikimju: ohh, is down13:45
kimjudjszapi, been for weeks.13:45
dm8tbrno sh*t sherlock13:45
kkitoflashing the new fw...13:45
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djszapikimju: yes, but they did not provide anything, mmm, that is certainly bad13:46
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djszapikimju: anyways, that might be the culsprity in the harmattan kernel13:46
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djszapikimju: mmm, at least lxr works for the linux kernel, that is good13:47
kimjuok, that 488M file is truncated, "tar: Unexpected EOF in archive".13:48
kimjuso, some nodes of cdn are out of sync?13:48
Anssi138no torrent?13:48
dm8tbrif there would be a complete file...13:49
griMohammadAG: Great work with the lights :)13:49
macmaNi cant get it to download the correct sized linux file13:50
kimjuok, wget at my server got 592272572 bytes.13:50
MohammadAGkimju, that's the right one13:51
kimju2011-09-19 13:50:58 (2,84 MB/s) - Connection closed at byte 163577856. Retrying.13:51
kimjuand on second try, it got handed the 488M one..13:52
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kimjuand now all I get is 0 bytes.13:52
macmaN511MB now..13:52
kkitohow much time it takes the "erasing" step ?13:53
kimjuso some nodes have partial file, some nothing and only some the whole file?13:54
kimjukkito, 30-40min13:54
kkitokimju: thx13:54
macmaNhrm. so i cant really back up contacts in a very sane way separately.13:56
macmaNExport Contacts expects me to single select every one of my 700 contacts?13:56
macmaNahh i forgot about the keyboard :) ctrl+a13:56
kimju6eb05b04842fb9fae2451dc266888eb9  Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin13:58
* w00t got a full size one13:59
spenapkimju, yes, that is: MohammadAG  and I got the same md5sum13:59
djszapikimju: same here13:59
spenapok, that's nice13:59
w00t6eb05b04842fb9fae2451dc266888eb9 - same as yours kimju14:00
* macmaN is still getting 511MB :<14:00
kimjustarted flashing and then off to a meeting..14:01
Sputso we need to erase the EMMC, or is it enough to just flash the firmware?14:01
DocScrutinizerseems you all having fun? :-D14:02
matrixxok, I'm also getting the 488mb one14:03
kkitoUpdating SW release Success Status: 0 Press Enter to exit & Unplug the USB cable from the device to boot new flashed i mage ...14:03
DocScrutinizerI'd be way more interested if you can downgrade to old firmware after flashing new one14:03
matrixxmaybe I should have some more patience and wait14:03
djszapiDocScrutinizer: yes, you can.14:03
Sputis that the R&D edition at all?14:03
Sputso none of the neat tools14:04
fralsdjszapi: doubt the can14:04
* SpeedEvil downloads, but holds of installing to see if it does anything wierd.14:04
fralsdoubt he can*14:04
djszapifrals: well I could14:04
DocScrutinizerthanks a lot14:04
fralsdjszapi: afaik cellmo got updated between 22 and 34, but i could be wrong14:04
fralsand since he doesnt have the magic key he cant downgrade cellmo14:04
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frals(as in N900 pretty much)14:04
* frals goes back to hunting bugs14:05
Venemo_webchatI hear there is a new firmware?14:05
djszapifrals: ok, let me try again14:05
djszapilast time it worked oob14:05
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kkitostill no google account support14:07
dm8tbralso keep in mind that this firmware might be having the changes necessary for MOSLO/custom kernel - full wipe recommended14:07
djszapikkito: really ?14:07
DocScrutinizerfrals: still no problem if cellmoFW-v2 is compatible to old one regarding API, and the old system FW will flash and run and use the new cellmo API without blowing chunks14:07
Stskeepsdm8tbr: down to cold flash, yes..14:07
fralsDocScrutinizer: maybe -- i dont know the internals of that stuff tbh14:08
evilJazzHow long does this "Erasing, this may take a while." step really take? It's been running for almost 10 minutes now, I am a bit worried to cancel the process and start over...14:08
djszapithat can be normal as well14:08
StskeepsevilJazz: long14:08
Stskeepshave dinner14:08
DocScrutinizerfrals: I'd expect the new FW killing some hacks regarding aegis, and blocking downgrade14:09
evilJazzokay, thanks14:09
kkitodjszapi: yes :(14:09
djszapikkito: I have gtalk, very weird14:09
djszapihowever not the public image, but the same week version14:09
Venemo_webchatcan the new fw restore backups made by the old fw?14:09
djszapiVenemo_webchat: you already asked it ;)14:09
fralsDocScrutinizer: i wouldnt assume the downgrade block is due to aegis tweaks tbh -- but i dunno14:09
Venemo_webchatdjszapi: I didn't get a valid response... if I make a backup with the old fw, can the new fw's backup app restore from it?14:10
djszapifrals: I am not trying with the public package, but the same oem1 week versions work out of the box14:10
DocScrutinizerfrals: of course not. Such things are always done in best interest of end user ;-P14:10
Venemo_webchatalso, could someone gimme a link to the new fw and the flasher tool?14:10
kkitodjszapi: I have only Mail4exchange, facebook, twitter, nokia account, caldav, other mail account, sip14:10
SpeedEvilerr - not that14:10
djszapikkito: weird14:10
fralsDocScrutinizer: :p i would guess the downgrade not being possible would be to a component not related to aegis, but yeah, twist the words to sound its because we love aegis ;)14:10
djszapifrals: which word of the out-of-the-box is not screaming that to you it works ? :)14:11
Venemo_webchatSpeedEvil: is this the fw or the flasher tool?14:11
Venemo_webchator both?14:11
Venemo_webchatyummy :)14:11
fralsdjszapi: are you on internal irc?14:11
SpeedEvilone click thingy14:11
djszapifrals: nonstop14:11
StskeepsVenemo_webchat: OCF contains flasher anyway..14:11
Stskeepsif you interrupt it in the right spot14:12
Ravifor some reason connect resets every few mins and wget keeps making random files :(14:12
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Venemo_webchatand I left my microusb cable at home. f***14:13
DocScrutinizerVenemo_webchat: wise guys wait a few days instead of jumping new stuff head-first14:14
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Venemo_webchatDocScrutinizer :P14:15
DocScrutinizer[2011-09-19 13:04:04] * SpeedEvil downloads, but holds of installing to see if it does anything wierd.14:15
Venemo_webchatDocScrutinizer: the new stuff can only be LESS buggy than the old... so this time I'm gonna jump.14:15
MohammadAGStskeeps, interrupt it?14:15
MohammadAGjust SIGSTOP it14:15
StskeepsMohammadAG: yes, that's what i meant14:15
DocScrutinizerVenemo_webchat: obviusly it needs guys eager to test, for guys like me to wait for your results :-)14:15
griWill there also be a scratchbox update? :)))14:16
MohammadAGbetter question is14:16
MohammadAGcan we downgrade?14:16
djszapigri: that is updated all the time.14:16
MohammadAGsomeone said it was't possible14:16
djszapiMohammadAG: I am verifying that now14:16
djszapiheretofore, it worked.14:16
gridjszapi: Got nothing new the last few weeks14:16
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: [2011-09-19 13:03:05] <DocScrutinizer> I'd be way more interested if you can downgrade to old firmware after flashing14:16
SpeedEvilVenemo_webchat: It can be less buggy - sure. The fun issue is does it do anything more annoying from a dev POV, while being less buggy. If you're not seeing the bugs14:16
fralssupposedely you can, contraryy to what i thought... but im not sure :p14:16
djszapiyes, please wait, testing here :)14:16
djszapinot sure anybody would downgrade it though14:17
Venemo_webchatSpeedEvil :)14:17
Venemo_webchatdjszapi ++14:17
SpeedEvilThough I'm wondering if it will fix the 'not being able to login to a nokia account' thing that I'm still suffering from.14:18
Venemo_webchatachipa: ping14:18
achipaVenemo_webchat: pong14:18
SpeedEvilI can't do this today - I need to be writing hideous stuff on forms.14:18
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Venemo_webchatnaw, I need to leave now14:22
Venemo_webchatwill be back later :)14:22
djszapi34-1 -> 22-6 worked at least14:22
djszapinot sure about the public 34-214:23
leinirhmm... is the information on the site incorrect? it says 565 megs, but the downloaded file is only 488 megs it seems...14:23
sandst1leinir: try again in a couple mins. i first got the 488 meg one but now got the whole 56514:24
djszapisandst1: I will even wait few hours :p14:25
leinirsandst1: right :)14:25
sandst1djszapi: yes. or in a few hours :D14:26
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SpeedEvilAnyone have a md5sum?14:30
SpeedEvil(from a working one)14:30
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thpso, can the backups created with the old release be restored on this one?14:35
SpeedEvilshadowjk said maybe not.14:38
Stskeepsthp: i didn't have good experience14:38
SpeedEvilAnd that you should write down his moms phone number.14:38
kkitono google account, and package is still missing in servers :(14:38
SpeedEvilerr - Stskeeps14:38
SpeedEvildjszapi: Ah - fun. Different sum.14:39
SpeedEvil-rw-r--r-- 1 user users 511314373 2011-09-19 12:32 Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin14:39
djszapikkito: the second from the top here (34-1)14:40
djszapias in: Mail for Exchange, Google, Facebook, if that is not there, that is pretty bad14:40
DocScrutinizerdang, a du -sh ~/nokia takes since 5min now -- probably the ~60 subdirs like ~/nokia/ eat some cpu time to process XP14:41
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leinirSpeedEvil: Yeah, i've got the same size here14:41
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SpeedEvilleinir: sum ending in 69ea?14:42
kkitodjszapi: it seems that google account is intentionally not supported on this public release14:43
thpStskeeps: as in "have to manually enter all contacts again" or as in "something didn't work, but the contacts worked fine"?14:43
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Stskeepsthp: i think contacts broke for me14:43
Stskeepsthp: i had my contacts on my n900 :P14:44
DocScrutinizerLOL 28852 jr        39  19 24676 6340  796 R 96.2  1.7  34307:51 john14:44
SpeedEvilThere is something wacky going on. (As expected. EOF from tar on image)14:46
thpStskeeps: ok, so i should probably sync from the n950 to the n900 before and then back after the update14:46
DocScrutinizer\o/ du finished14:47
DocScrutinizerthp: this never occured to me :-)14:47
djszapikkito: mmm, that is weird if N9 comes without google account as well.14:48
* DocScrutinizer is going to try syncing N950 to N90014:48
* sandst1 just booted14:50
leinirSpeedEvil: The size of the file, which is almost a hundred megs off :P14:50
MohammadAGwait wait wait14:50
SpeedEvilleinir: I figured it was like screws.14:51
MohammadAGwhere are the backups stored?14:51
StskeepsMohammadAG: heh, you're fucked14:51
SpeedEvilleinir: They always put too many of them in14:51
sandst1MohammadAG: ~/MyDocs/.backups14:51
StskeepsMohammadAG: OCF will prolly kill it14:51
leinirSpeedEvil: ;)14:51
thptime for a reflash ..
MohammadAGStskeeps, copied MyDocs, thought they were in ~/.Backups or something14:51
sandst1oh btw. what's the default root pwd for the image? :D14:54
SpeedEvilIt was rootme14:54
djszapisandst1: too much R&D root password usage syndrome ? :p14:55
sandst1djszapi: could be ; P14:55
MohammadAGwhy does it erase rather than flashing on top?14:56
fralsemmc layout may have changed and best to have a clean slate ;)14:57
djszapiMohammadAG: how was this in case of the N900 ?14:57
MohammadAGdjszapi, it just flashed and that took like 2 minutes14:57
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w00tMohammadAG: partitions/etc and MMC content changed since the first release, iirc15:03
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thpcan somebody please check if the md5sum on is correct and maybe add the win and mac flasher md5sums? i haven't downloaded them15:04
Venemo_webchatachipa: ping15:04
achipaVenemo_webchat: re-pong15:05
Venemo_webchatachipa: if my N950 begun displaying pixel errors, can I have the screen replaced? what is the correct procedure in such a case?15:05
achipathe procedure is that you send it back to nokia developer :S15:06
Venemo_webchatachipa: and Nokia Developer will send me a new one? or?15:06
MohammadAGkeyboard looks weird15:08
Venemo_webchatachipa: I'm just asking because I'm really unfamiliar with how these things work. this is my first developer program ever :)15:08
RST38hMoo all15:10
DocScrutinizerbug: in old firmware contacts-show-group says "no members" though the group evidently has members I assigned to it15:11
RST38hNew firmware?15:11
Venemo_webchatRST38h: yeee :)15:11
DocScrutinizerhaha, it nevertheless shows "message" and "mail" buttons above "no members". Clicking the "message" button adds all 4 group members to "To:"15:12
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Venemo_webchathmm, flasher is weird... "Erasing, this may take a while."15:16
Venemo_webchatand it indeed takes a while15:16
kkitoVenemo_webchat: yes, it takes a lot of time15:16
Venemo_webchatby this time, N900 would have been fully flashed15:17
RST38hLots of flash in there15:17
Venemo_webchatAnyway, this new image also seems to be quite old.15:17
Venemo_webchatweek 34 was a while ago.15:18
alteregoWhat's the checksum for the latest image then?15:18
StskeepsVenemo_webchat: fairly normal to branch at some point15:18
alteregoIt says 34-215:18
RST38hChangelist somewhere?15:18
alteregoEnding in 88eb915:18
alteregoCool, so I've got the right one.15:18
Venemo_webchatalterego: you can check on the "N950 landing page"15:18
* alterego flashes15:20
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leinirSo... some people on Linux have got it, some have not?15:20
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* Venemo_webchat is still staring at "Erasing, this may take a while"15:21
alteregoYeah me too :)15:22
Venemo_webchatachipa: so, could you please give an answer to my question?15:22
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djszapiVenemo_webchat: wikipage, you need to know it by heart :p15:22
kkitotrying to add google account using mc-tool but it seems that is not working with the latest fw ?15:22
SummeliVenemo_webchat: indeed still "Erasing.."15:22
Venemo_webchatdjszapi: ??15:22
djszapiVenemo_webchat: the checksum :p15:23
Venemo_webchatdjszapi: yeah15:23
Venemo_webchatdjszapi: that's what I said15:23
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djszapikkito: so no telepathy-gabble installed ?15:24
kkitomy fault, is working like beofre15:25
djszapi -> seems to be there, at least that one.15:25
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kkitodjszapi: yes, it works. It was my fault :P15:27
djszapioh okay.. :)15:27
RST38hSo, no changelog or review of changes so far?15:27
djszapithat was even earlier there than the image itself :p15:27
Venemo_webchatRST38h: release notes:
RST38hVenemo; ! thanks15:28
Summelihow long the erasing takes :D15:28
Venemo_webchatSummeli: VERY15:28
Summeli... maybe hasn't failed yet...15:28
Venemo_webchatyeaaahh... mine is still erasing too15:29
djszapiI think it should not be much longer than 10-15 minutes.15:29
Venemo_webchatit's been doing it for 14 minutes15:29
SummeliIt's 10 minutes for me now15:29
djszapiyeah, that is normal so far15:29
Venemo_webchatok, and now it's actually doing somethin15:29
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Venemo_webchatN950 also displays a progress display15:30
SpeedEvilI just downloaded win_och15:30
alteregoSeems like a lifetime15:31
* RST38h politely asks if the boot loader bug preventing custom kernels is gone now15:31
Venemo_webchatok, booting now15:31
Venemo_webchatRST38h: there is either no public list of the issues fixed, or I haven't found it yet15:31
DocScrutinizermy sip clients: Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.7 sofia-sip/1.12.11devel   Telepathy-SofiaSIP/ sofia-sip/1.12.10devel     Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.5.4 sofia-sip/1.12.8   Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.2 sofia-sip/1.12.10devel  \o/15:32
Venemo_webchatOMG! N950 speaks Hungarian!15:32
SpeedEvilDownloading won't give me anything but the 488M one15:33
RST38hAdd blood!15:33
* Venemo_webchat quickly switches back to English15:33
griactually speaks or writes? :)15:33
Venemo_webchatgri: lol15:33
Venemo_webchatno comment.15:34
Venemo_webchatbut it seems to be working15:34
* Venemo_webchat must try the landscape homescreens hack15:34
DocScrutinizer"Doc, use the keyboard!"15:34
Summeliok, now it's flashed15:35
* DocScrutinizer slides out keyboard: "Computer!!"15:35
alteregoOoo, like the progress indicators :)15:35
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Sputis there an easy way to re-install the developer tools with the new firmware? according to the release notes, they're not part of the firmware15:36
Venemo_webchatok, enabling developer mode now15:36
Venemo_webchatSput: yes, the relnotes tell you how15:36
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Sputah, just enabling the switch is enough?15:37
Venemo_webchatSput: enabling the switch will make the device install all necessary stuff15:37
Venemo_webchatSput: it's doing this for me right now15:37
TronicIs there a working landscape homescreen hack already?15:38
TronicThe redraw bug is very annoying.15:38
Venemo_webchatTronic: I'll check that as soon as it completes installing the dev mode15:39
griSo what's lost when doing the upgrade? Does it erase all? Does the backup work?15:39
Venemo_webchathmm... swipe down to close is still not there15:39
Venemo_webchator not enabled?15:39
TronicActually I'd prefer if the icons rotated instead of the entire screen. That way the layout could be preserved.15:39
KaadlajkVenemo_webchat: device -> display15:39
Kaadlajkthere is a switch for that15:39
Kaadlajkor should be :P15:39
Tronic(but I guess that cannot be done with the stock UI elements)15:39
macmaNKaadlajk: so it *is* there on n950 now?15:39
SpeedEvilAre n9s actually in customers hands?15:40
djszapiSpeedEvil: no15:40
djszapiI mean not in Finland, at least.15:40
KaadlajkmacmaN: not sure, I only have N9 with internal image15:40
djszapiKaadlajk: I do not see such an option even inside the internal image, what is the option name ?15:40
TronicWell, they are available for testing in stores but you cannot buy it yet.15:40
Kaadlajkdjszapi: guess it is removed in newer images when it is on by default15:41
Kaadlajki dont have it either15:41
Venemo_webchatKaadlajk: THX!15:42
MohammadAG macmaN Venemo_webchat yes, it's there15:42
MohammadAGit feels a bit hacky15:42
MohammadAGwell, its implementation anyway15:42
alteregoOoo, "swipe down to close app" :)15:42
Kaadlajkyou can also tweak the swipe with config file15:42
Kaadlajkso when you swipe left it goes to feed and swipe from right to switcher15:43
MohammadAGyeah, there's an ovi store app for that apparently15:43
Kaadlajkfor example15:43
MohammadAGkinda takes away the simplicity though15:43
alteregoOooo, haptics :)15:43
MohammadAGwhat haptics?15:43
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alteregoOn the onscreen kbd15:44
MohammadAGalterego, those were always there...15:44
macmaNi think some cache has fubared the linux image15:44
alteregoNot for me ...15:44
djszapiinteresting, the characters are still a bit blurred if I swipe the app launcher screen.15:45
MohammadAGbut they were stronger and better on level 315:45
MohammadAGnow they're meh15:45
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Kaadlajk~/.config/mcompositor/mcompsitor.conf has the swipe actions if you want to modify them15:45
meceI hope this thing will stop erasing soon...15:45
djszapimece: no, never :)15:45
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macmaNhopefully i can trust this shitty os x with the flashing job15:46
meceanyone managed to flash new firmware? How long did the erasing bit take?15:46
MohammadAGView header example now in widgets gallery15:46
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* artemma is happy to see the new firmware15:46
macmaNmece: someone said 30-40min15:46
djszapimece: 10-15 minutes15:46
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macmaNoh ok15:46
djszapi30-40 ???15:46
macmaNdunno, it's in the scrollback15:46
artemmaEven the previous FW erasing time varied hugely. Once it was a couple of min for me, another time - about 20 min15:46
macmaNbut whatever, not important, if its 15 its 1515:47
meceabout 11 minutes for me now, no sign of life15:47
djszapimece: normal15:47
artemma*maybe* it depends on amount of data in the phone15:47
meceam a bit anxious since I don't have another phone with me today...15:47
alteregoOooo, angry birds15:47
djszapimaybe usb 1.115:47
* SpeedEvil tries with opera.15:47
meceartemma, I had 3 gigs free...15:48
artemmaanybody tried new FW already? Is it noticeably better?15:48
meceangry birds!!!!15:48
djszapiartemma: definitely.15:48
meceman I want this to be done fracking now!15:48
vladesthi guys. stupid question - have I turn off the n950 before reflashing?15:48
macmaNgreat. mac image is also incomplete.15:48
mecevladest, yes.15:48
artemmaI am particularly interested in the browser improvements. Browser in the old FW wasn't that good with multiple windows management (though it's UX issue, not bugs)15:49
djszapivladest: I guess you can reboot it by the option as well R15:49
meceomg now things are happening! \o/15:49
mecenice with the output actually!15:49
* Sput wonders why the newly installed Ovi Suite on the laptop claims that the N950 isn't supported, but still managed to backup its content on the very first run (and since then, refuses to connect) - while the Ovi Suite on the other box can handle the N950 just fine15:49
* artemma reads the announcement details."Developer Edition' marking and the SDK installer have been removed." - WTF??15:49
vladestmece: djszapi thanks15:49
MohammadAGoh hey15:50
artemmano developer mode anymore or just no marking?15:50
MohammadAGsim toolkit15:50
mecevladest, read the instructions on the developer web page15:50
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MohammadAGyou don't see those nowadays15:50
Venemo_webchatstupid MeeGo!15:50
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meceoo there's a progress bar. It's blue15:50
Venemo_webchatwhen I connected the N950 with SDK mode, it lost the wireless connection15:50
mecebooting up15:50
MohammadAGyeah... SDK mode isn't there for me anymore15:50
Venemo_webchatlandscape homescreen hack WORKS, BUT THE REDRAW ISSUE IS STILL THERE15:51
artemmahmm.. But I still can connect to Qt Creator and run apps on the phone right?15:51
MohammadAGprobably cause it's a hack :P15:51
dm8tbrcan I have a pointer to that hack please? :)15:51
vladestthere is no Harmattan section anymore at
griDid anyone flash with windows? My flasher doesn't even extract and is stuck at 0 %15:51
Venemo_webchatfrals said it's been fixed... maybe it's fixed in an even newer release...15:52
djszapiVenemo_webchat: please please say say you wanna have a sw update already xD15:53
alteregoHah, just noticed, no "DEVELOPER EDITION"15:53
artemmamece: release announcement: "eMMC erase may fail in some devices (see One Click Flasher release notes for details)"15:54
Venemo_webchatdjszapi: yeah, I want this annoying bug to be fixed.15:54
SpeedEvilgri: I'm failing with linux here.15:54
SpeedEvil(servers keep offering up a truncated version)15:54
Venemo_webchatdjszapi: seems that noone at Nokia cares about it, so it probably will never ever be fixed.15:54
meceartemma, it was successful for me. took 16 minutes15:54
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griSpeedEvil: Didn't think of that but my file is not even 500 mb as stated on the site15:55
macmaNSpeedEvil: same :/15:55
KaadlajkVenemo_webchat: any pics of the redraw issue?15:56
Venemo_webchatgri: that's wrong then15:56
Venemo_webchatKaadlajk: see the topic from my link15:56
alteregoIs it me or have they changed the system font15:57
Venemo_webchatKaadlajk: see
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Venemo_webchatalterego: it seems to be more refined, yes15:57
KaadlajkVenemo_webchat: does that happen everytime15:58
alteregoNokia Pure15:58
alteregoThe video is installed too15:58
Venemo_webchatKaadlajk: yes it happens for me, everytime.15:58
alteregoFunny, inkscape on Windows Vista15:58
kkitowtf, after reflashing, all the stuff that i bough is not there...15:58
alteregokkito: you need to redownload it all, the flasher said it would wipe everything15:59
KaadlajkVenemo_webchat: tried it on my N9 with newer firmware, cant reproduce15:59
kkitoalterego: yeah, but it seems that i need to re-pay15:59
meceno skype15:59
Venemo_webchatKaadlajk: let's hope then that the new firmware will solve it15:59
* Venemo_webchat wants a new firmware for the N95015:59
alteregoYou shouldn't have to15:59
alteregoIt should be attached to your login. Maybe send an email to the support address.16:00
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ajalkaneis there swype in new fw?16:00
djszapikkito: no need to re-pay16:00
Venemo_webchatKaadlajk: indeed week 34 was quite a long time ago :)16:00
kkitodjszapi: sure? because it shows inly the pay button on items that i have already payed16:00
Summeliok installing the development mode now16:01
KaadlajkVenemo_webchat: also week34 isnt when the last patches got in16:01
Summelihopefully it'll work as well as the developer edition :)16:01
meceI'd really like some im clients.16:01
Venemo_webchatI've never understood this. why can't they give us the newest stuff.16:01
ajalkaneInteresting, why so old fw16:01
djszapikkito: well, at least 34-1 works here as expected. user can re-download 5 times,16:01
* alterego checks out twitter app16:01
griWindows link always downloads 494 mb instead of 581 offered on the site :/ Taking the mac one now and grab a usb stick :)16:02
Venemo_webchatgri: use Linux :P16:02
kkitodjszapi: It seems that is working for pinball fantasies, but not for other games that i bought16:02
macmaNgri: i also got an invalid mac download16:02
SpeedEvilI assume there is no way to trigger OTA update?16:03
griVenemo_webchat: Linux is only available in a vm for me ...16:03
SpeedEvilsettings->applications->update does nothing16:03
Venemo_webchatSpeedEvil: I wouldn't bet on it16:03
macmaNSpeedEvil: update doesnt find anything for me16:03
meceOnly 5 times??16:03
Venemo_webchatgri: use a live cd then16:03
SpeedEvilVenemo_webchat: I can't get a linux version16:03
Venemo_webchatSpeedEvil: why not?16:03
SpeedEvilVenemo_webchat: 488M16:03
djszapikimju: "As long as the item is still available, you can re-download it up to 10 times by signing into Ovi Store and accessing My Stuff. Each re-download has a 100 minute window."16:03
macmaNmaybe there's some way to bypass the cdn16:03
alteregoShut down time for new firware is amazing.16:04
infobotwell, firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt  Firmware for GrandStream phones is at
SpeedEvilI _hate_ the shutdown behaviour - has it changed?16:04
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alteregoAnd I'm happpy now I have twitter feed in notifications view :D16:04
djszapikkito: In case you have lost any purchased content items in your My Stuff, for example because the item has been unpublished and removed from Ovi Store, please contact Nokia Care for further assistance. ( and choose Contact Us). Give a short problem description, your Ovi username and the name of the content item you wish to re-download.16:04
SpeedEvilI've accidentally shut it off a couple of times now, while reading books16:04
alteregoeh? how?16:04
mecealterego, for me it's pretty useless. Means all facebook events will drown completely16:05
kimjudjszapi, ?16:05
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alteregoMek: I'm happy with that ;)16:05
Venemo_webchatMUHAHAHAHAA browser still can't open https://meego.com16:05
meceVenemo_webchat, aw crap!16:05
kkitodjszapi: the item is not removed from store, the item is there, but i cannot download the item without buying again it16:05
RST38hGentlemen, has anyone managed to view a Google Reader combined RSS feed on your N950?16:06
DocScrutinizer~ignore alterego16:06
infoboterror: chan #harmattan is invalid.16:06
kkitoi don't want to pay two times for the same thing16:06
RST38hI tried adding the feed URL, but N950 keeps saying it is invalid16:06
alteregoDocScrutinizer: :P16:06
djszapikkito: again, please follow my instructions.16:06
kkitothe same thing that i pay 3 € when it is 0.60 in other stores16:06
DocScrutinizeralterego: wait a minute, I'll fix that if you want16:06
RST38hVenemo: Well, it is not Meego browser. It is Maemo6.16:06
Venemo_webchatRST38h: I'm aware16:07
meceWhy is such a problem?16:07
Venemo_webchatmece: because I want to login to meego forums and that's impossible16:07
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RST38hVenemo: were going to gloat? =)16:08
djszapiwhat is meego ?16:08
Venemo_webchatRST38h: nope, this is just an old bug, I checked whether it's still there.16:08
Venemo_webchatdjszapi :)16:08
MohammadAGSSL handshakes fail?16:09
djszapissl works fine for other sites16:09
Venemo_webchatMohammadAG: this time, no specific error message16:09
RST38hthey do work but not always16:09
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djszapias for me, always16:10
kkitodjszapi: your instructions? Contacting nokia care?16:10
djszapikkito: yes, what else could you do, seriously ?16:10
Venemo_webchatdjszapi: yeah, everyone knows that you are on a superduper internal new firmware, which has the fixes for every bug we suffer from :)16:11
djszapiVenemo_webchat: it is actually from the first public image. I could visit the company site and other https sites always16:11
RST38hVenemo: and also lets you do whatever you want with aegis running16:11
Venemo_webchatok, seems that new firmware CAN restore from the old backup16:11
kkitodjszapi: Do not buy enithing else16:11
kkitoand pirate the software16:11
MohammadAGoh god16:11
djszapikkito: oh yeah, that helps so much about the software you bought, seriously.16:11
MohammadAGaegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec is dead16:12
MohammadAGso bye bye to freedom16:12
StskeepsMohammadAG: did you enable developer mode?16:12
MohammadAGit says Permission denied16:12
StskeepsMohammadAG: do you have security lock?16:12
MohammadAGas in a lock code?16:12
Stskeepsthat might be why then16:13
Stskeepsat least security lock even messes up kernel flashing :P16:13
meceMohammadAG, you need yo run devel-sh also16:13
MohammadAGmece, duh16:13
alteregoOoo, wifi hotspot :)16:13
djszapimece: you mean develsh ;)16:13
* vladest forgot to save a lot of photos from my n950 before reflash. stupid, stupid me :(16:14
MohammadAGStskeeps, permission denied16:14
mecedamn restoring stuff fucked everything up, and now nothing works.16:14
MohammadAGdmesg no longer works too16:14
MohammadAGso yeah, bye bye freedom16:14
djszapiyes, but I said the dmesg stuff actually quite while back16:14
* vladest wonder how dmesg related to freedom16:14
MohammadAGaegis was fixed apparently16:14
MohammadAGvladest, well, aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec is freedom16:15
djszapivladest: same question here, has nothing to do with freedom16:15
kimjudid dmesg work at some point?16:15
vladestMohammadAG: have you installed devtools back?16:15
kimjunice, diginotar certs are still in device16:16
MohammadAGI just checked developer mode again16:16
achipaVenemo_webchat: yes, if they have any spares left, they should replace it16:16
MohammadAGall tools say "Install" instead of Installed16:17
MohammadAGand they won't install, missing packages16:17
Venemo_webchatkimju: remember, this firmware was made BEFORE that diginotar issue16:17
Venemo_webchatachipa: and whast happens if they don't?16:17
achipawell, ask first16:17
achipanora should know16:17
MilhouseHas anyone tried syncing an N950 -> N900 before flashing? Did the N900 get all updates on the N950?16:17
Venemo_webchatachipa: I'm not familiar with nora16:18
mecerestoring accounts results in unusable twitter and facebook clients.16:18
Venemo_webchatmece: hmmmm16:18
kimjubtw, has anyone else seen anything like this:
achipaVenemo_webchat: nora.seppala@nok...16:19
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achipaor just use the DDP mails16:20
Venemo_webchatachipa: ok, I'll contact Nora then.16:20
kkitothats fun, i get a 404 Error - File not Found when clicking into the nokai care link16:21
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RST38hStskeeps: so, will this firmware version allow for custom kernels?16:21
RST38hWith aegis disabled, preferably?16:21
StskeepsRST38h: AFAIK, of course, we're going to ask someone to volunteer16:21
Venemo_webchatprobably not16:21
Stskeepsbut the version i have, it does16:21
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StskeepsRST38h: i'm not saying harmattan would work, though :P16:22
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RST38hStskeeps <-- evl16:22
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crevetorDoes the FW update erase everything ?16:25
Venemo_webchatok, I need to leave now16:26
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meceMohammadAG, devtools-utilities seems to install ok...16:26
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macmaN_so how the heck am i supposed to download a non-incomplete firmware image..16:27
hiemanshuanyone tried the new FW?16:27
RST38htake a guess16:27
mececrap what's the root password again?16:27
djszapihiemanshu: nobody, we did not dare xD16:28
djszapimece: same16:28
crevetorAnyone has a good way to export contacts ?16:28
hiemanshuI am at home without a decent connection, cant download anything till tomorrow morning16:28
Sputhmm. why does the new firmware refuse to create or restore backups?16:28
djszapicrevetor: same the backup folder.16:28
hiemanshucrevetor: there is no goodway except backup16:29
artemmacrevetor: I am using Google contacts for it. Meaning that phone is *not* the primary contacts storage for me16:29
artemmaOutlook contacts would work even better16:29
Stskeepsis a tool someone introduced this morning16:29
djszapihiemanshu: heh, my patches were not still merged into irc-chatter16:29
hiemanshudjszapi: I have been busy with moving places, and then work, so no time for me, and I still haven't got internet at the new place, so there is nothing I can do :P16:30
hiemanshuthe ISP said 10 days, its been 12, and they closed the request without doing anything, screwed the managers and what not, still no go, will have to change ISP16:30
crevetorthansk Stskeeps16:30
djszapicrevetor: I would trust a for loop and an "official" export than that tool personally.16:31
mecebackup and copy backup file works fine tho.16:31
crevetorI think I'll just export my contacts to my sim card that way I know there "safe"16:31
djszapiwell, I would still export it to a laptop or desktop PC for backup16:32
hiemanshucrevetor: or just have em in sync with another phone16:32
hiemanshuI have it in sync with N900, I add contacts on the N900, sync it with the N950 if I need that contact on the N950 too16:32
MohammadAG web's crashing a lot...16:33
crevetorhiemanshu: true16:34
hiemanshuit did before too16:34
MohammadAGnot that kind16:34
MohammadAGthe backend used to crash16:34
MohammadAGnow the UI hangs16:34
hiemanshuah lol16:34
hiemanshuMohammadAG: do we have talk yet? or twitter?16:34
mecetwitter client is there16:35
meceunfortunately it stopped working after I restored accounts, so I can't use it anymore :/16:35
hiemanshuno XMPP though?16:36
meceapparently not16:36
meceno skype either16:36
djszapihiemanshu: well, telepathy-gabble is available at least16:36
mecedjszapi, what does that do?16:36
djszapialso, I do wonder how gtalk could be available on 34-1, but not on 34-216:36
djszapithis is full of wonder to me16:36
djszapiI will seriously check it out myself, I cannot belive it16:37
djszapibelieve, even*16:37
MohammadAGwell, N950 overheating again16:37
mecethat never happened to me16:37
RST38hMohammad: Ovi login?16:37
RST38hTends to run in a loop16:37
MohammadAGRST38h, it's just sitting there16:37
alteregoNeat, wifi hotspot works perfectly :D16:37
MohammadAGwonder if I should ask Nokia what to do16:38
djszapikkito: you said gtalk worked ?16:38
MohammadAGI'd disassemble it or send it in for a replacement16:38
alteregoCheck the battery16:38
alteregoWhat does it say in settings for battery health?16:38
MohammadAGI'm not voiding the no warranty it comes with16:38
hiemanshumy N950 would randomly overheat and die16:38
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MohammadAGwell, mine overheated to the point I killed it before it died16:39
MohammadAGwe have a cssu cloak now? nice16:39
djszapimece: please paste the output of this command to an external site and then show me: "dpkg -l \*account-plugin-google\*"16:39
RST38hmoo, rm_work16:39
rm_workyo RST16:39
RST38hMohammad: I only had it heat up once, and that was due to a runaway process. Sure there are no stray processes there?16:40
RST38hJust idle overheating?16:40
MohammadAGk, it's overheating a lot now16:40
hiemanshuMohammadAG: put it in the freezer16:40
MohammadAGalready checked it16:40
MohammadAGit's nothing in the software, and it was flashed like an hour ago16:41
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crevetorWhere's the backup file ?16:41
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: so what's state of your relaxed-exec now?16:41
crevetorok thanks16:41
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: what's about killing aegis?16:41
kkitodjszapi: Gtalk works adding the account using "mc-tool"16:41
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, not so relaxing16:41
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djszapikkito: ahhh, so "dpkg -l \*account-plugin-google\*" says they are not installed ?16:42
kkitodjszapi: yes, it is not installed, and it is not in the servers16:42
djszapiI find it a big fail personally since I prefer gtalk the best for IMs.16:42
djszapiI will stay with 34-1 then...16:43
DocScrutinizer(what it got to do with freedom?) reply question: what got blocking dmesg to do with safety?16:43
hiemanshudjszapi: can we have 34-1 please :D16:43
MohammadAGso I need some opinions16:43
mecethe only im available is facebook and that happens to be the only im I don't use...16:43
hiemanshuMohammadAG: yes aegis should die16:43
MohammadAGask DDP for a replacement or wait for it to explode and claim 50 bucks?16:43
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djszapiDocScrutinizer: it is not that hard question, no need for dmesg in comparison with the super rights it requires.16:44
DocScrutinizer50 bucks?16:44
mece"Sorry, can't connecto to twitter"16:45
MohammadAGI thought we get 50 bucks if the device does something bad to us16:45
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: is this how you sell your safety concept to the managers?16:45
DocScrutinizersound rationale16:45
MohammadAGso yeah, explode or replacement?16:45
mecesounds like apple16:45
djszapiI fail to see why we should have super powa thing if we do not even need that tool16:45
MohammadAGk, I'm turning it off till it cools down16:46
DocScrutinizerI fail to see why djszapi is up to decide what "we" need16:46
djszapiit is not about djszapi or DocScrutinizer, you can get those information anyways16:47
djszapiplease do not get personal.16:47
DocScrutinizerand how safety is defined as "djszapi says we don't need it"16:47
mecedjszapi, could you tell us who is responsible then?16:47
djszapimece: responsible for what ?16:47
mecedjszapi, the "security" framework16:48
djszapisorry, but what is your purpose ? Not clear to me.16:48
mecedjszapi, to complain16:48
djszapiI think a good understanding helps more for you than complaining and make both parties angry unneccesarily.16:51
* RST38h watches djszapi bring good undertsanding of device lockup to the unwashed masses, with certain amusement16:52
mecedjszapi, ok then, explain why relaxed-exec is disabled in this firmware16:53
RST38h"No, you really do not need doors or windows. That little cat-sized trapdoor is sufficient. Why have a real door when the trapdoor is all you need?"16:53
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RST38h"After all, you can get food through it, and you can piss through it when necessary, and even remove fecal matter."16:53
RST38hSo, why would you need a door *or*, God prohibit, a window?16:54
djszapimece: we were not discussing relaxed-exec by any mean. I was talking about dmesg16:55
mecedjszapi, ok, please explain why dmesg is not allowed then.16:56
mtdanyone know of a decent example of getting the current location from the command line?  Ideally using python.....16:56
fluxI guess in Linux dmesg is bundled with the same capability as some other interesting facilities16:57
macmaN_current location?16:57
djszapimtd print os.getcwd()16:57
djszapimece: rather easy, it can be abused.16:57
djszapiand since syslog reads dmesg, and not the kernel memory directly, there is no real need for that. Just use syslog.16:58
mecedjszapi, abused how? If I'd buy the device isn't it mine to abuse then?16:58
djszapiI really see no issues16:58
djszapimece: is it a serious question ?16:58
mecedjszapi, yes16:58
djszapiright, your device can be abused by others, not just you, if we allow that.16:58
mecedjszapi, is the N9/50 somehow less secure than the N900 for example, so these extra measures needed to be taken?17:00
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mtddjszapi: thanks, but I mean the latitude and longitude of the device.17:01
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djszapimtd: lol, sorry :)17:01
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djszapimece: less secure ?? Opposite!17:02
MohammadAGthat was a sarcastic question djszapi17:02
mecedjszapi, I mean without aegis. Is the N9/50 less secure than the N900, so aegis needs to be used to make it secure enough?17:03
hiemanshudjszapi: is there a changelog for 34-2?17:03
djszapihiemanshu: yes, it was available before the image..17:03
djszapimece: aegis is the security framework. N900 has no security.17:03
djszapiat least not an organized and well-thought security framework. Was not really the point that time back.17:03
hiemanshudjszapi: care to link, I cant find it, and no way to use a computer and look for it properly17:03
mecedjszapi, so how could the N900 be released?17:04
macmaN_was that some sort of a significant fail for the n900?17:04
djszapimacmaN_: yes, a mobile phone without security is a fail in my opinion.17:04
djszapijust consider windows...17:04
mecedjszapi, this is not windows.17:04
djszapimece: :)))) I could brick your device (N900) so easily...17:05
djszapigot your data, broke them, abuse it what not17:05
mecedjszapi, how?17:05
MohammadAGsorry, you can never brick the N90017:05
mecewhat MohammadAG said17:05
djszapimece: very very easily. I got enough experience in fixes we shipped here, seriously.17:05
RST38hdjszapi: Please, do brick my N90017:05
mecemine too17:06
djszapivery very basic attack holes in N90017:06
RST38hLike rrrrrrrrrrright now!17:06
mecedjszapi, what kind of holes?17:06
RST38hDo it! Please, DO IT!17:06
MohammadAGThe only attack in the N900 was opened up by Nokia17:06
djszapinobody did it != it is a forever life guarantee it is not gonna be done17:06
hiemanshudjszapi: I could find holes in aegis too17:06
MohammadAGand I decided to stay quiet about it17:06
* artemma started the flashing process17:06
djszapihiemanshu: please tell aegis holes.17:06
djszapiI would be delighted.17:06
MohammadAGdelete Aegis file, there, I bricked your N95017:06
hiemanshudjszapi: I said 'I could find ...'17:06
* macmaN_ thinks Windows firmware is the only one that downloads correctly, so going to try VM flash17:07
djszapihiemanshu: it is not just I "could", I "can".17:07
djszapibut I do not abuse that system my knowledge, like fight sports...17:07
djszapiwith my knowledge*17:07
grimacmaN_: For me windows did not work, had to use mac17:08
mecedjszapi, I doubt you could cause damage to my N900.17:08
djszapimece: how much money do you put on that ?17:08
macmaN_gri: what file size was your mac download17:08
mecedjszapi, all the money I have.17:08
* NIN101 grabs some popcorn and watches this discussion developing. 17:08
MohammadAGI'd put 200 bucks17:08
djszapimece: do you come to the meego conference in Oulu or to the Qt Developer Day ?17:08
grimacmaN_: 565 mb if I remember correctly, like stated on the site ... windows was 494 and 581 stated on the site17:08
RST38hWait, he is not going to do it here, now, remotely?17:09
djszapiI think I would have money for good days xD xD17:09
macmaN_gri: Mac_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin 59230334317:09
mecedjszapi, obviously I'm not going to meet you. That would be ridiculous. It's not like I'm gonna meet up with evil hackers and let them break my phone17:09
MohammadAGI paid for remote hacking17:09
djszapimece: well, I do not obviously reveal it for free17:09
djszapinot even sure for money though...17:09
MohammadAGthere's a remote hole in the N90017:10
RST38h19.09.2011  16:58       608 707 222 Win_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.exe17:10
mecedjszapi, ok but are you telling me you could do it right now?17:10
hiemanshuStskeeps: can we have Meego CE now? :D17:10
MohammadAGit was introduced in PR1.217:10
DocScrutinizer/kick $USER17:10
RST38hDunno where 592 is coming from17:10
djszapimece: if I could not, it would mean we did nothing in aegis.17:10
Stskeepshiemanshu: let's just verify it internally with this FW and then yes17:10
hiemanshuStskeeps: awesome!17:10
mecedjszapi, I'm talking about my N90017:10
MohammadAGWhy? Cause Ovi packages shouldn't prompt the user to install them17:10
djszapimece: exactly.17:10
mecedjszapi, so do it.17:10
MohammadAGSo? Any package with the mime type of the ovi packages will be installed without prompting the user17:10
mecedjszapi, you don't have to reveal anything17:10
macmaN_RST38h: yeah, ok so my windows download is the only one that's good17:11
MohammadAGWhat does that mean? I can hack your N900 remotely17:11
MohammadAGthat's about the only hole in the N90017:11
hiemanshuguys break it up now17:11
MohammadAGhiemanshu, the N900 or N950?17:11
meceit's not really an argument17:11
RST38hNot until the guy does what he says17:11
RST38hRemotely. From scratch.17:11
meceI'd say it's completely impossible17:12
djszapimece: right, I can make a package for you for instance.17:12
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hiemanshuI said break it up17:12
djszapisay, like it would be available from the maemo developer page, that would be the easiest attack17:12
RST38hDepends. Probably possible, but not by this particular guy,17:12
mecedjszapi, well you can make one, but obviously I'm not going to install it17:12
MohammadAGhiemanshu, /part17:12
djszapimece: hahahahaha :)17:12
djszapimece: so you check every package and source you install manually.17:13
djszapiokay, no comment, I stopped it =)17:13
MohammadAGI check the source17:13
MohammadAGif it's from someone trusted, there should be no reason not to install it17:13
mecedjszapi, obviously if you need the user to take action, then it's not from scratch. I could make that package myself.17:13
djszapimece: thing is that this is the easiest attack surface, and it does not simply work with aegis17:14
MohammadAGAnd the package exists for the N950, apt-get install bash17:14
djszapiand this very simple surface already breaks your N90017:14
gri"You may not change the shell for developer." nice, didn't have this in the old image17:15
MohammadAG <-- I mean, it already works well with the N950 :P17:15
mecedjszapi, my point is that you're protecting users from themselves. And I don't like to be protected from myself.17:15
djszapithat is plain wrong17:15
mecedjszapi, is it?17:16
mecedjszapi, please elaborate17:16
RST38hand how plain is it wrong?17:16
djszapimece: I should ellaborate ? :D :D17:16
* mece yes17:16
djszapiI do not even understand what you cannot do as a *user*17:16
djszapiwith your stuff17:16
djszapiso please ellaborate17:16
mecewhat do you mean?17:16
RST38h[certainly faking denial]17:17
mececompile a binary and run it, all on device.17:17
mecefor example17:17
gritest without the need to create packages17:17
djszapiohh I see, every day user task really :D :D17:17
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RST38hUser cannot use bash17:18
RST38hIn fact, bash gets his phone bricked17:18
mecedjszapi, well I develop on device, so yes. Regardless that is not the point, the point is that I said aegis protects users from themselves, and you said that's wrong, so how is it wrong?17:18
TheBootrooi got a pb with Notes app on my N95017:18
djszapianother very important use case for my mom17:18
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Venemo_N950djszapi, what's up with aegis-developer-mode17:18
djszapiand other "normal" users17:18
RST38hI am sure your mom is not going to buy N917:19
djszapimece: plain wrong17:19
* dm8tbr ignores the obvious 'your mom' joke17:19
macmaN_TheBootroo: pb is...?17:19
MohammadAGVenemo_N950, it's gone17:19
dm8tbrbut this is a developer channel17:19
djszapimece: it is exactly the opposite, you can feel safe as a user17:19
MohammadAGwell, as in the functionality is gone17:19
Venemo_N950MohammadAG, but why???17:19
dm8tbrpeople have developer needs here17:19
RST38hI am further sure she will buy a WP7 device from Nokia =)17:19
MohammadAGVenemo_N950, cause you, the user, don't need developer mode17:19
TheBootroowhen i click save, the app goes  back to first page (with list of notes) but the note isn't saved and an empty black notification bubble appears17:19
RST38hWP7 definitely makes one feel safe as a user17:20
Venemo_N950MohammadAG, I enabled the developer mode, I'm no user.17:20
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TheBootrooRST38h: my mom is :D17:20
RST38hWay safer than Linux based crao!17:20
djszapioh sure, how true....17:20
djszapianother wise sentence :D17:20
djszapiplease do not stop, I am full of ROTFL :D17:20
MohammadAGrunning arbitrary binaries is dangerous, even if you compiled them Venemo_N95017:20
RST38hYes, folks, continue please17:20
MohammadAGVenemo_N950, stfu, aegis says otherwise17:20
TheBootrooRST38h: and in my family nobody feels secure with a MS os, given the pb they had with MS OSes on their desktops17:21
Venemo_N950so, no way to run my binaries? at all?17:21
RST38hAbill_uk does not visit IRC all that often17:21
mecedjszapi, but you explained how I need to install malicious software for you to break my N900, so i figure aegis is there to prevent the user to install malicious software.17:21
MohammadAGVenemo_N950, you could always go back to making debs17:21
TheBootroomacmaN_: any idea so?17:21
djszapimece: yes, that is good, can we agree ?17:21
macmaN_what is a pb?17:21
macmaN_peanut butter?17:21
Venemo_N950MohammadAG, I will always make debs when I want to share my software, but otherwise not17:21
hiemanshumacmaN_: Prison Break :D17:22
grimaking debs takes ages17:22
MohammadAGVenemo_N950, the latter part's gonna have to change17:22
mecedjszapi, not if aegis decides my software is malicious software17:22
MohammadAGsorry, that's what aegis says17:22
* w00t will just chuck CE on there and work on that instead17:22
djszapimece: oh yes, aegis will misdecide :D :D17:22
MohammadAGw00t, take meegotouchhome plugins with you17:22
MohammadAGswipe is a bit more fun17:22
kkitohey, how to unlock the angry birds levels in n950 if we have not nfc?17:23
MohammadAGkkito, fake it17:23
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mecedjszapi, I'm being sincere, but I don't actually know if you're being sarcastic17:23
kkitoMohammadAG: ok, and how to fake it ?17:23
MohammadAGedit the settings.lua file17:23
w00tMohammadAG: seen what alterego/venemo/I are doing?
MohammadAGI'm not sure what the syntax is17:23
MohammadAGw00t, internet in dorms sucks, is that the swipe and lipstick stuff?17:23
MohammadAGI'm not sure what lipstick is, just saw it being mentioned yesterday17:23
kkitoMohammadAG: oh thx, i'll try17:23
mecew00t, sexy!17:24
w00tMohammadAG: meegotouch-home with the meegotouch ripped out, models thrown in, and QML on top17:24
MohammadAGMTF ripped out?17:24
djszapimece: I am not getting your point seriously, no offense, but security is something which are the part of the linux kernel, maemo, meego nowadays, period.17:24
mecedjszapi, meego doesn't have aegis afaik.. does it Stskeeps?17:25
djszapimece: mobile users and many times even desktop users, sysadmin need it.17:25
w00tbasically it'll make it a lot easier to write nice looking UI that doesn't suck for CE :)17:25
alteregow00t: just had another awesome idea I'm gonna have to stick into my code too.17:25
djszapimece: yes it has smack17:25
djszapimece: which we basically did according to aegis17:25
kkitoMohammadAG: where is settings.lua located?17:25
TheBootroomacmaN_: pb=problem17:25
alteregow00t: a sequential animation before you bring an app window forward. Allowing us to do some cool effects for app resuming :)17:25
TheBootroomacmaN_: (i'm french)17:25
mecedjszapi, but I can dmesg and execute binaries in meego17:25
macmaN_TheBootroo: first time i've ever seen that in 15+ years17:26
w00talterego: those animations are done by mcompositor17:26
alteregoOh, lame.17:26
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alteregoCan we disable them?17:26
* alterego chuckles17:26
w00tthat part of things will probably have to wait a bit :p17:26
djszapimece: did you really not recognize meego is turned down ?17:27
MohammadAGcompositor is open source aleksander_m17:27
djszapiand we stopped working the polishing of the s ecurity framework ?17:27
MohammadAGalterego *17:27
MohammadAGkkito, /var/opt/rovio17:27
Venemo_N950guys, please calm down!17:27
djszapiand not Intel is trying to do "something", not much from what I can say.17:27
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djszapimece: people tend to complain about security, but it is pretty much an inevitable part of this market, period. Nothing will ever change it into the opposite.17:28
RST38hmacmaN: First French in 15 years? =)17:28
djszapiandroid is copying aegis, windows phone is copying aegis, meego was copying aegis, that is all I can say17:28
GeneralAntillesBe wary of absolutes. . . .17:29
TheBootroomacmaN_: so any idea ?17:29
RST38hSee, if you troll the poor guy for long enough, he is going to start spilling corporate beans =)17:29
macmaN_no, since i cant even flash my device yet17:29
MohammadAGaegis is copying iOS17:29
RST38h"<djszapi> android is copying aegis, windows phone is copying aegis, meego was copying aegis, that is all I can say"  <== ehehehe17:29
Sputstill if I'm enabling developer mode because I want to develop for the device, I should be able to run binaries on it...17:29
mecedjszapi, ok I see, and you're claiming that this is for the benefit of the user?17:30
djszapimece: yes, it is very safe feeling for the users.17:30
crevetoryay angry birds :)17:30
RST38hBTW, hasn't Aegis been offered for inclusion into Meego and not accepted?17:30
djszapimece: check out some security attack on youtube.17:30
MohammadAGSput, 22-6 isn't looking so bad right now eh?17:30
DocScrutinizerone million flies can't be that wrong - EAT MORE SH*T!17:30
djszapiRST38h: rather wrong17:30
djszapiRST38h: it is hilariously wrong actually.17:31
berndhsthe security features are more for vendor lock in than for user security17:31
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RST38hStskeeps: What was the story with Aegis in Meego? Intel going its own way?17:31
jbosanyone managed to flash new Beta2?17:31
TheBootroosomebody knows where the Notes are saved in N950 ?17:31
djszapiRST38h: pfffff, it was closed as hell, meego was upstream. What are you talking about ?17:31
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MohammadAGjavispedro, here's the deal17:31
macmaN_TheBootroo: in calendar db17:31
DocScrutinizerberndhs: that's what absolutely obvious to anybody who can see17:31
jbosfails with Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy17:31
RST38hMoo, javispedro, uupdate!17:31
MohammadAG34-2 is out, aegis-developer-mode is out with it17:31
djszapiberndhs: no, that is plain wrong17:32
TheBootroomacmaN_: with calendar ? fuckin stupid idea.... i hate them x_X17:32
Venemo_N950RST38h, meego chose selinux17:32
berndhsdjszapi: no its' not wrong17:32
TheBootrooVenemo_N950: SElinux is the way to go17:32
macmaN_TheBootroo: sqlite ftw17:32
* artemma is trying Angry Birds on N950. Looks like for levels 6+ you need to install NFC chip somehow :)17:32
kkitoMohammadAG: thx :) but i don't know what i need to modify to enable the locked levels.17:32
hiemanshuartemma: old story :P17:32
TheBootrooso maybe the notes can't be saved since i sync the calendar with MfE17:32
RST38hVenemo: Ah, logical17:32
javispedroMohammadAG: hey, I got the notificationsink thing to work:
djszapiTheBootroo: oh yeah for sure, and that is why maemo/meego/android rejected SELinux :D:D:D17:33
RST38hNot that it were much better but still17:33
macmaN_well crap. my Vista VM can't pick up the bootloader/phonet interface for some reason17:33
TheBootrooartemma: where did you find angrybird ?17:33
djszapiVenemo_N950: meego did not choose selinux17:33
artemmaTheBootroo: Beta2 firmware for N950 contains angry birds magic17:33
djszapithat was just a rather crazy idea of Ryan that everybody else rejected17:33
berndhsthe security features are also for the security of the network, of the banks, of the service providers, but least of all for the user data17:33
artemmaFor the record: I flashed Beta2 FW from Mac. Everything went well, took a bit less than 20 min17:34
TheBootrooartemma: and where is firmware 2 ? didn't even know there was one ! no meego new site has said something about it !!17:34
RST38hAh, found a relevant post:
RST38hAegis aka MSSF17:34
* jbos cant flash Beta 2,... failes with Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy17:34
TheBootrooRST38h: MicroSoft Security Framework ?17:35
hiemanshujbos: what distro?17:35
djszapiberndhs: from that thread: " MeeGo security with a new focus on *End-User Privacy*."17:35
jbossuse 11-417:35
djszapino words about vendor lock at all17:35
leinirgrah... i keep getting that stupid 488 meg file :P17:35
djszapithanks for the link and confirmation17:35
macmaN_leinir: same here17:36
RST38h"While we do not intend to immediately remove the security enabling17:36
RST38htechnologies we have been including in MeeGo, all security17:36
RST38htechnologies will be re-examined with this new focus in mind."17:36
berndhsdjszapi: i can see the way it works, i don't need to believe their mission statements :)17:36
TheBootroodoes flash erase my installes apps ?17:36
RST38h"For MeeGo 1.2 specifically, this17:37
RST38hmeans that we're not planning on integrating the MSSF pieces17:37
RST38hthat invasive or incomplete at this point17:37
hiemanshujbos: while true; do sudo modprobe -r cdc_phonet; done17:37
mecedjszapi, sorry I've bothered you with this thing, it's just that I want to use my phone for hacking and developing, and aegis is really annoying.17:37
hiemanshujbos: keep that running in another terminal17:37
TheBootrooi have installed about 20 apps17:37
TheBootrooVenemo_N950: no OTA possible anytime soon so forced to flash, am i right ,17:37
djszapimece: no, the annoying is that if someone dislikes it does not return the device back to Nokia. Nokia could deliver it to people who die for one.17:37
hiemanshudjszapi: someone got killed for one? :P17:38
TheBootrooVenemo_N950: but i'll not loose data and settings ?17:38
djszapimece: it is that simple, I heavily dislike meego, and I am about to send the device back17:38
macmaN_sigh. anyone on a fast connection just willing to i dont know.. dcc send the linux image?17:38
djszapimaybe someone else would like it.17:38
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macmaN_this cdn crap is total #fail17:38
mecedjszapi, you heavily dislike meego?17:39
* RST38h scratches head, tries to figure out how dislike of Aegis implies dislike of Meego or harmattan17:39
Venemo_N950TheBootroo, you'll lose everything17:39
TheBootrooVenemo_N950: big shit then ! worse than N90017:39
RST38hI mean, to a normal, reasonable person...17:39
MohammadAGit's a onceclickflasher17:39
TheBootroon900 didn't loose user data on flash17:39
mecedjszapi, I love harmattan!17:39
MohammadAGif you extract flasher and do flashing manually, you don't lose anything17:40
* artemma just verified that his app works well with the new firmware17:40
TheBootrooMohammadAG: how can i do ?17:40
djszapimece: if you do not like aegis, you do not love Harmattan, you love parts of it. There are people out there waiting for phones who would die for the whole as it is.17:40
Venemo_N950TheBootroo, use settings / backup17:40
mecedjszapi, I was actually just trying to understand the motivation for having these aegis limitations17:40
TheBootrooMohammadAG: i don't need their One Click Crap17:40
MohammadAGtechnically you do17:40
MohammadAGyou run OCF, then CTRL+Z it17:40
djszapimece: yes, normally I do not talk to RST38h, but since I saw it on you, that is why I tried to explain :)17:40
MohammadAGyou'll find the files in /tmp/selfextract*17:40
nibbleri'd rather like to see SMACK instead of aegis on Harmattan, but i guess i don't have the choice unless i do it myself.17:40
hiemanshudjszapi: I hate SELinux or AppArmor, but I love Fedora/OpenSuSE17:40
artemmaHey! BTW our app is the second in the Business App bestseller list! Are this sold to end user N9s already? Or are these still sales to N950 users?17:41
MohammadAGhaven't bought anything off ovi tbh17:41
jboshiemanshu thanks looks good17:41
MohammadAGand end users N9s? what are those?17:41
nibblerselinux is far too complicated to work properly on mobile handsets.17:41
RST38hartemma: what app?17:41
artemmawell, sales are to be started by now, aren't they?17:41
artemmaEasy Discount calculator17:41
RST38hMohammad: Kyrgyz folks apparently17:41
djszapinibbler: yes, that is why everybody dropped it without any consideration17:41
javispedroso, I guess by the amount of noise here that a new fw was released =)17:42
artemmamaybe discounts are very important in Kazakhstan :)17:42
djszapinibbler: Linus Torvalds actually even preferred t his over SELinux17:42
nibblerdjszapi: this?17:42
RST38hjavispedro: insightful!17:42
djszapithat is why he had the final word to get into mainline (smack)17:42
djszapinibbler: the architecture that aegis has17:42
nibblerah! :-) nice.17:42
djszapinibbler: smack is very similar in quite many aspects.17:42
Venemo_N950frals, facebook app now doesn't switch to landscape :(17:42
MohammadAGit was never meant to switch to landscape17:43
TheBootroois there Gtalk in beta 2 ?17:43
MohammadAGit's just that orientation lock wasn't working on 22-6 :p17:43
djszapijavispedro: your binary runner tool (hash updater) might find love here.17:43
Venemo_N950MohammadAG, it worked in 22-617:43
Venemo_N950MohammadAG, eeee17:43
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> id17:43
DocScrutinizeruid=1000(jr) gid=100(users) Gruppen=7(lp),16(dialout),33(video),100(users),109(vboxusers),1000(sbox)17:43
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> dmesg|tail -n 117:43
DocScrutinizer[8852257.576058] SFW2-OUT-ERROR IN= OUT=eth0 SRC= DST= LEN=100 TOS=0x10 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=8205 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=35752 DPT=22 WINDOW=1002 RES=0x00 ACK PSH FIN URGP=0 OPT (0101080A0F9E274703C893D4)17:43
djszapijavispedro: people were complaining hours unneccesarily about the relaxed change17:43
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> dmesg --help17:43
DocScrutinizerdmesg: Ungültige Option -- -17:43
DocScrutinizerAufruf: dmesg [-c] [-n Level] [-s Puffergröße]17:43
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> dmesg -n 617:43
DocScrutinizerklogctl: Die Operation ist nicht erlaubt17:43
djszapijavispedro: instead of just trying your tool :)17:43
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> sudo dmesg -n 617:43
DocScrutinizerroot's password:17:43
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> echo SO WHAT?? djszapi!?17:43
Venemo_N950what's the point of the hwkb if I can't actually use it?17:43
djszapijavispedro: they like complaining better :)17:43
javispedrowell, hopefully it still has develsh.17:44
djszapiyes, it has17:44
MohammadAGThis operation is not allowed?17:44
fluxvenemo_n950, there is no point in hwkbd, it's not in n9, remember?-)17:44
MohammadAGOh, Operation not permitted, german's nice17:44
RST38hMohammad: And then it says that all trespassers will be shot on sight17:44
mecedjszapi, javispedro, what tool?17:45
MohammadAGjavispedro, it does, but doesn't work the same17:46
javispedromece: still need to check if it works =)17:46
javispedroMohammadAG: in what sense?17:46
DocScrutinizerdmesg can be abused - PFFFFF!17:46
MohammadAGjavispedro, aegis-developer-mode --realxed-exec says permission denied17:46
mecejavispedro, the kernel module thing?17:46
javispedroMohammadAG: _inside_ develsh?17:46
DocScrutinizershow me the security ticket about a vulnerability in dmesg17:47
Venemo_N950javispedro, yes17:47
mecejavispedro, yes.17:47
MohammadAGjavispedro, nested under devel-su too17:47
MohammadAGdmesg works on android, stock17:47
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* gri can't even install those cool tools listed unter the developer mode switch17:48
DocScrutinizerfact is you can't handle the way dmesg works, with friggin aegis credentials and tokens and whatnot17:48
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mecegri, I got the tools installed just fine17:48
MohammadAGjavispedro, look on the bright side17:48
MohammadAGthere's a header example in MTF now17:48
grimece: all?17:48
mecegri, hmm.. no I didn't install them all..17:49
mecewhich ones doesn't work?17:49
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grimece: All of them, "Memory Analysis" for example17:49
vitaminjhi all - didn't realise this channel existed, am in open source #n950club, by way of intro17:50
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grimece: All of them, "Memory Analysis" for example17:50
vitaminjVenemo_N950: just reading today's logs - what pixel errors do you have on your screen, I have developed a small cluster of black lines which is very gradually getting worse17:50
mecegri, start with utilities and x11 utilities. those worked atleast17:51
meceVenemo_N950, did you make the irc app?17:51
grimece: All end up with "Installation package not found", even utilities17:51
mecehiemanshu, could I have an url to somewhere I can download the irc chatter app?17:52
Venemo_N950vitaminj, yeah, sounds familiar17:52
Venemo_N950mece, yes17:52
nibblerdoes the oneclickflasher provided with 1.2011.34-2 work with older NOLOs that previously only worked with a quick flash, or do i need to extract the firmware from /tmp/selfextract.* and flash it myself?17:52
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: tell me how to do dmesg -n 5, by using syslog instead of dmesg17:53
hiemanshuVenemo_N950: too slow :P17:53
meceVenemo_N950, hiemanshu, wicked!17:53
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: so much for ">>we<< don't need dmesg"17:53
javispedroDocScrutinizer: you don't have a console, dmesg -n is a noop17:53
* javispedro nitpicks ;)17:54
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: how do you know I don't have a console?17:54
vitaminjVenemo_N950: I'll email DDP too and see what they say, but it's only mildly irritating, not a disaster. don't fancy a €500 bill though17:54
DocScrutinizerjavispedro:  maybe just because I'm not SUPPOSED to have a console?17:55
djszapiDocScrutinizer: I do not even understand the question, syslog contains the dmesg information17:55
javispedroDocScrutinizer: if you did, you would have your own kernel, and thus, you'd have disabled aegis?17:55
Venemo_N950vitaminj, me either... but this is not my fault17:55
djszapijavispedro: it might be that your tool will not work, have you tried it ?17:55
javispedrodjszapi: still downloading17:55
djszapijavispedro: signing these things needs tcb I am afraid nowadays17:56
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: you think this kernel doesn't know about serial console?17:56
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javispedroI think it doesn't =)17:56
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meceworks :)17:56
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I bet you're wrong17:57
MohammadAGmece_, got developer mode working with all packages?17:57
* javispedro makes mental note to try =)17:57
djszapiVenemo_N950: back to your --relaxed-exec question. I will ask the decision maker about that, but not today since everybody is gone anyways17:57
javispedroeither way, is the SD updated?17:57
MohammadAGif so can you pastebin your sources.list?17:57
Venemo_N950djszapi, it can wait, no hurries17:57
MohammadAGno, it can't17:58
Venemo_N950djszapi, please ping me tomorrow if you have an answer :)17:58
RST38hMore important question: does the new firmware include a working version of the SPARQL QML components???17:58
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DocScrutinizerdjszapi: that's the whole crux: you don'tz understand somebody and then you consider his demands moot, as you "can't see why anybody would want to do this"17:58
MohammadAGjavispedro, yes! not really though17:59
djszapiDocScrutinizer: makes no sense, period.17:59
javispedro"yes not really"?17:59
MohammadAGjavispedro, 4 packages updated17:59
MohammadAGoh no wait18:00
javispedroonly 1 her18:00
javispedroso, the answer is no, not updated.18:00
DocScrutinizermakes no sense TO YOU - you ever wondered *why*?18:00
MohammadAGthis update killed something I had for less than 24 hours18:00
MohammadAGhow nic18:00
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vitaminjhmm, opening the hwkb doesn't force qml apps to landscape anymore, so it's not just the facebook app18:01
Venemo_N950thx djszapi ttyl18:01
djszapiDocScrutinizer: yes, of course we do a platform according to what we think.18:01
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djszapiDocScrutinizer: do a better platform, and send your device back.18:01
mece_there appear to be some problems with my accounts, can one delete the account db withoub breaking device?18:01
RST38hMixing "I" and "we", are we?18:01
javispedroMohammadAG: the new package is "diff"18:02
DocScrutinizerfind a better reply and send your ... err STFU18:02
* artemma wonders why Mail For Exchange account wizard still doesn't know the server address for GMail. Is it that rare service?18:02
vitaminjmece_: did you restore? was about to ask, as could log in to twitter before i restored, but not after18:02
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crevetorWow the wifi-hotspot application is very complete18:02
mece_same problem. i think the db is different18:02
mtdhrm; anybody know how to deal with this dbus permission error?
berndhsi wish there were arrow keys on the vkbd :)18:03
fralsartemma: probably because gmail doesnt have autodiscover setup18:03
artemmafrals: I am sure N9 buyers will appreciate your explanantion :)18:03
vitaminjmece_: at least with contacts it was "nice" enough not to break the db18:03
djszapiberndhs: you can do ?18:04
fralsartemma: i would assume N9 buyers would use "Google account" instead of MfE for their gmail18:04
vitaminjalthough it did then sync the empty contact db to ovi, losing everything18:04
berndhsdjszapi: i can add them ?18:04
djszapiberndhs: there is an app in OVI store with which you can change the layout18:04
djszapimesinput or something like that, it is called.18:05
berndhsdjszapi: maybe i can make a "localization" of the vkbd with arrow keys18:05
artemmafrals: I didn't see general Google account and GMail account doesn't include calendar and contacts. Or does it?18:05
mece_so will deleting accounts db break device?18:05
berndhsdjszapi: ah, i can't get to the ovi store from the n950, service not available18:05
djszapiberndhs: weird18:05
macmaN_berndhs: with the new firmware?18:05
fralsartemma: do you have a N9?18:05
artemmafrals: N95018:06
fralssee ;)18:06
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macmaN_here's hoping i will be able to sign into nokia account now for the first time18:06
berndhsmacmaN_: i have the 22-6 firmware18:06
macmaN_once this flashingathingamathingy is done18:06
* javispedro ponders not updating18:06
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: quote "dmesg can get abused" show me how or accept you are telling BS. quote: "we don't need dmesg as we got syslog" show me how to do dmesg -n 6 or accept you're utterly wrong on the words of that statement18:06
javispedroat least until the source is here18:06
RST38hOvi Signup actually works with 22-6 firmware. But you HAVE TO use physical keyboard for it18:07
djszapiDocScrutinizer: ignore, that is all I can say, sorry.18:07
macmaN_RST38h: uh, what? "use keyboard" means what?18:07
DocScrutinizerthought as much. Thanks for confirming18:07
RST38hDoc: I think his latest quote was "Users never need dmesg or syslog"18:07
RST38hmacmaN: Type password using keyboard18:07
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RST38hmacmaN: do not use vkbd18:07
macmaN_RST38h: hrm. where was this discovered?18:08
RST38hDoc: And, as you need dmesg, you are not user and thus your opinion does not matter. Logical, isn't it?18:08
RST38hmacmaN: Who cares? Just use physical keyboard and see what happens18:08
DocScrutinizeryes, quite18:08
macmaN_RST38h: damn i have no way to remember whether i tried that or not, and now flashing is almost done18:08
djszapiRST38h: plain wrong what you are saying, again18:09
macmaN_RST38h: i def. did not know about it, if i did try it was just to try whatever..18:09
RST38hmacmaN: Well you will have to try with the new firmware then :)18:09
RST38hof course, djszapi. everything everybody is saying is plain wrong.18:09
RST38heverything you are saying is right by definition.18:09
djszapiwhat I actually said (please do not mis-interpret) this time: dmesg can be read from syslog and we can avoid a very powerful kernel memory related capability. It is nice and good, we decided that way I think, period.18:09
DocScrutinizerexcept when djszapi is saying it18:09
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RST38hBTW, there are only three categories of people entitled to use "we"18:10
berndhsdjszapi: sometimes you're plain wrong too :)18:10
RST38h1) Royals 2) Chief editors 3) People with tapeworms18:10
RST38hdjszapi: Which one are you?18:11
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djszapiberndhs: I am trying to not answer, what I am not sure about, but yeah, I am also a person as everybody else. What people should avoid is that to definitely say something they know better than the people actually worked on and designed the whole architecture.18:12
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berndhsdjszapi: certainly. I do observe though the priorities of the security systems like aegis, and their _last_ priority is user data security, everything else is before that18:13
berndhsdjszapi: and that is not plain wrong18:14
MohammadAGoh nice18:14
MohammadAGI lost a shitload of numbers18:14
djszapiberndhs: believe or not, user data security is the first.18:14
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MohammadAGyeah, proof of that ^18:14
berndhsdjszapi: I do not believe you in this case, sorry18:14
artemmaFacebook client still positions chat so that oldest messages are seen. Doesn't scale to hundreds messages long dialogs (and I have such ones) :(18:15
vitaminjmece_: have you tried anything with the accounts db yet? I might reflash as all the restore did was give me a bunch of db-related issues18:15
djszapiberndhs: does not matter what you believe, and what the first priority is really, they can be different :)18:16
Venemo_N950despite restoring my backup, I have lost all my contacts18:16
djszapi"The purpose of the Mobile Simplified Security Framework (MSSF) in the MeeGo Harmattan platform is to protect the owner of a MeeGo-powered device from getting her personal data and passwords from being stolen and used for malicious purposes, to prevent malware from misusing the device and incurring costs on the user, to prevent the user from accidentally breaking the device SW and to make the platform meet the needs of software that requires safe executi18:16
djszapiberndhs: ^ from the first sentence (abstract)18:16
berndhsdjszapi: what you say and what is correct is also not always the case18:16
w00tVenemo_N950: there were bugs with contacts backup from back then18:16
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fralsartemma: its been changed since so... PR1.1 ;-)18:16
berndhsdjszapi: I abstract from how the system behaves, not what someone says about it18:17
artemmafrals: ??18:17
* w00t doesn't remember details18:17
Venemo_N950i also exported them to files18:17
fralsartemma: message sorting in fb app18:17
djszapiberndhs: yeah sure :D :D :D Our architect woman also lied18:17
artemmaeeeh? I still see chat positioned on top18:17
Venemo_N950but i dont see an option to import those18:17
w00tfile option got removed18:17
macmaN_swipe down to close is every bit as awesome as i imagined it to be18:17
artemmafrals: you mean in release after Beta2?18:17
djszapiI am happy file option got removed18:17
vitaminjdon't rely on ovi contacts either for restoring contacts18:18
Venemo_N950thx for telling me w00t18:18
berndhsdjszapi: i don't care who said what for public consumption18:18
djszapisince that was a crap18:18
fralsartemma: im not quite sure what this beta2 relates to, but at least in the build im using its in the correct order18:18
djszapiVenemo_N950: please read the wikipage why that got removed18:18
djszapiI wrote it down there.18:18
Venemo_N950djszapi, k18:18
w00tdjszapi: where is this?18:18
artemmafrals: thx, then at least N9 users will see it correctly18:18
Venemo_N950so any way to restore my contacts?18:18
hiemanshuVenemo_N950: from?18:18
javispedroso, what's fixed or improvider?18:18
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fralscontacts sucks! ;-)18:19
djszapiw00t: well, that import did not import the files properly. Actually, you could even pass a browser file for input, it started parsing.18:19
djszapiso it was not really a proper API...18:19
Venemo_N950hiemanshu, backup or exported files18:19
w00tdjszapi: API? it was a file selection dialog - there was no API18:20
vitaminjVenemo_N950: trackerbackup in in my backup appears to have a reasonable size to expect it might contain all the data18:20
djszapiw00t: of course it used an internal API18:20
hiemanshuVenemo_N950: I wonder if vcardconverter or something of that sort exists18:20
hiemanshucheck it out on the terminal :P18:21
djszapiw00t: namely, content manager API.18:21
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fralsbtw, did anyone integrate a telepathy xmpp plugin with accounts yet?18:22
w00tfrals: looked at it briefly, but accounts makes my head hurt18:23
mece_frals, do you have gtalk on your n9?18:24
Sputmmmh. I can't install any of the dev tools either18:24
Sputbecause packages are not found18:24
fralsmece_: uh, if i would say yes, dont take that as it should be in the device as i have no idea what is official :p18:25
mece_try to disable and enable dev mode. i did that and my tools can be installed18:25
hiemanshuSput: you aren't supposed to have any!18:25
mece_frals, ok.18:25
djszapifrals: Nokia did not push it there :( They can use mc-tool though18:25
macmaN_RST38h: SUCCESS. 34-2 lets me sign in with vkb just as well too.18:25
mece_djszapi, what's mc-tool?18:26
djszapimece_: something like that I guess. I have never used myself since I have gtalk by default18:28
MilhouseAnyone managed to setup a Nokia or Twitter account yet? Says service not available for me.18:28
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mece_Milhouse, it worked first, but restoring accounts broke it.18:29
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MilhouseI haven't restored accounts18:30
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GeneralAntillesWhere do the backup files hide?18:31
mece_milhouse, then yes, worked fine.18:31
GeneralAntillesYeah, see it.18:31
Milhousemece: hmm... no joy for me.18:31
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Milhousealthough I did load contacts from a vcard18:32
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Milhouseah, looking in syslog it seems to be failing due to a proxy server error18:33
Milhousexauthplugin.cpp 683 replyXAuthRequestFinished Reply error 99 : "Proxy server not found"18:34
vitaminjfwiw, I've just nuked the ~/.accounts dir, rebooted, and my phone has not burst into flames18:34
vitaminj"Sorry, can't connect to twitter" grrrrr18:35
Milhouse(the above error is for twitter - no idea why Nokia account "Servuce currently unavailable")18:36
Milhousevitaminj: me too. check your syslog, same error (about a proxy not found)?18:36
vitaminjoh and my email messages have vanished, presumably without a host account to be linked to18:36
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vitaminjMilhouse: but it worked pre-restore, and only wouldn't log in after I did a restore18:37
vitaminjunless it's an ill-timed transient thing18:37
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Milhousevitaminj: Maybe transient, as I haven't done a restore from backup18:37
djszapiactually, the price of having dmesg is to get access to every resources, that would really be a great amount of deal..18:37
DocScrutinizergeneral rule: always do a backup before you do a restore18:38
djszapiyou could even set them as you want to.18:38
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vitaminjDocScrutinizer: but restoring said backup may give you more problems than you'd hope for18:39
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mtdajalkane: I would like my app to change profiles, and noticed you were working on something for that.  Have you come across any way to do this from the command line?18:39
KhertanHi !18:40
javispedromoo Khertan18:40
Khertanmohoo javispedro18:41
Khertanwhat's up ?18:41
vitaminjMilhouse: well either something on-device is bust, or twitter is bust (it isn't), or the logins are going via some external thing which has fallen over (which would be very suspect)18:42
javispedroKhertan: new n950 fw seemingly.18:42
jbosafter flashing my n950 it just shows nokia text - then black screen18:42
jbosnothing else18:42
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djszapijavispedro: how does your signing tool work, what does it do ?18:42
Khertanjavispedro ? oh really ?18:43
MohammadAGhow the fuck do I reindex tracker?18:44
MohammadAGit shows no songs :/18:44
javispedrodjszapi: it added binaries to the validator hashlist, with nokia origin. it requires tcb & cap_mac_admin in develsh.18:44
KhertanMohammadAG, the first principe of tracker ... eat cpu18:45
djszapijavispedro: that is not gonna work.18:45
Milhousevitaminj: yeah, think I'll leave it for now and try later :)18:45
KhertanMohammadAG, then forgot why you learn while eating cpu18:45
MohammadAGI want my songs back18:45
mtdMohammadAG: don't do tracker-control -r or you will lose your contacts :(18:46
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emanAbout to upgrade my N950... anyone had it brick it?18:46
jboslooks like mine is dead18:47
jbosdoes not boot anymore18:47
* javispedro is not upgrading. No sources, no GTalk, more aegis, and virtually none of the bugfixes I wanted.18:47
SummeliGeneralAntilles: the erasin will take like ~15minutes :D18:47
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, wtf is the point, then?18:48
Khertanor more flashing my n950 with the first public firmware take 22min on mine18:49
MilhouseNone of the developer utiltities (Memory Analysis, Power/Resource Analysis) are available, right?18:49
javispedroAngry Birds18:49
MohammadAGMilhouse, says unable to install here18:49
MohammadAGjavispedro, I have a tar.gz of that if you feel bored enough18:49
MilhouseMohammadAG: Same, at least it's not just me. :)18:49
MohammadAGplug in USB + unplug while music player's running = trigger tracker18:49
GeneralAntillesIsn't the N9 due RSN18:49
GeneralAntillesWhy don't we have public firmware yet. . . .18:50
berndhsmaybe i'll wait a day or two with upgrading the firmware, see what people complain about :)18:50
MilhouseAnyone noticed "glitching" when audio starts (go into ringtone selection, tap on ringtones - glitch at start)18:50
MilhouseSame on video.18:50
MilhouseSo far, 34-2 seems a bit of a backward step18:51
Milhousebut at least i've got Swipe down to close - yay.18:51
deimoswhen I set user and password for Twitter app, a pop up appears telling me to check date and time. What that it means ? Its all ok18:52
deimosand doesnt sign me in18:52
MohammadAGcheck your phone's date and time18:53
deimosalready checked, are ok18:53
Khertandeimos verify your timezone too18:53
MilhouseMohammadAG: date/time correct here, UK18:54
Khertanso they didn t fix the sso bugs18:54
Khertan /s/fix/fix all18:55
deimoslocale was wrong :) thank you18:55
ajalkanemtd: yes, you can change profiles by sending d-bus messages to profiled18:56
djszapiactually, it is even more dangerous than I thought, dmesg would need DAC_OVERRIDE which is pretty much deny allow service....18:56
kkitoMohammadAG: can you please give me a clue about what to change/add into settings.lua to enable nfc levels?18:56
emanHas anyone managed to run flasher under Fedora 15? I keep getting "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy"18:57
thpeman: running as root?18:58
thpeman: have you made sure to only connect the device *after* starting the flasher18:58
emanthp: yep & yep18:58
ajalkanemtd: see my blog for details:
djszapieman: have you tried the flashing with -R option so that it reboots automatically and starts flashing ?18:59
ravianybody else experiencing extremely low volume during voice calls?19:00
emandjszapi: Nope. I'll give it a go19:00
Khertanravi: try without sound noice cancel feature19:01
djszapiMohammadAG: I think I figured out why the aegis-develop-mode --relaxed-exec does not work19:01
djszapisomeone still having the old public image and could give me the output of "accli -I" after starting the develsh ?19:02
djszapiI would like to verify my finding.19:02
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mece1deleting accounts.db didn't help the twitter account problem19:03
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Khertanmece1: and now you have also lost singlesign on Nokia Ovi19:05
Khertanso no more maps19:05
emandjszapi: Not sure what -R option you are talking about. The one click flasher doesn't have it.19:05
Khertanmece_, it s save in the same db19:05
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mece_Khertan, well I still have the same backups19:06
mece_so I can restore again19:06
jbosflashing fails with:19:06
jbosbb5_rdc_cert_read failed19:06
jbosERROR: Failed to flash images19:06
djszapimece_ really ?19:07
djszapisorry, meant eman ^19:07
djszapieman:   -R, --reboot[=ARG]            Reboot the device (after flashing) with optional19:07
djszapi                                reboot mode19:07
djszapieman: anyways, I was wrong, it is reboot after the flash.19:08
SpeedEvilyou need to unpack the one-click thingy19:08
djszapieman: do you have -f then ?19:08
SpeedEvilAt least, you can19:08
SpeedEvilIt's just a tar file with a script on the front19:08
djszapiautomatic reboot for flashing is very handy.19:08
emanAh, okay, I'll unpack it and check19:09
jboswhere does the flasher extract itself?19:10
jbosfrom the one click19:10
jboslooks like this extraction is broken19:10
leinirinto /tmp/selfextractor.somehash/installer19:10
leinir(gah, and i still get stupid 488 meg files :P )19:11
Milhousewhere is the noise cancellation option in settings? or isn't there one now?19:12
jbosare you sure leinir?19:12
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djszapijbos: yes, it is in tmp :)19:12
leinirthat'd be my guess, as i'm told this: ./Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin: line 48: /tmp/selfextract.CY3inB/installer: No such file or directory19:13
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snowponganybody know the best way for reacting to volume keys on n950/n9 - prefereably also working with wired/bt headset controls as well - is it qmkeys or should one simply install an eventfilter?19:13
djszapithat is not hash though, just random characters that the method generates :p19:13
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mtdajalkane: thanks very much19:17
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jbosok now it seemed to have worked after clearing temp and redo all19:19
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emanhrmm, unpacked flasher and straced it19:21
emanIt's stuck on ioctl(6, USBDEVFS_CLAIMINTERFACE, 0x7fffd9d48ddc) = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)19:21
emanwonder if that is due to udev19:21
djszapiVenemo: I am not sure aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec could be easily workarounded in the next release...19:22
MohammadAGworked around?19:22
djszapiMohammadAG: yes19:23
GeneralAntillesSo, um, what's the point of this update again?19:25
GeneralAntillesThe browser still crashes on everything.19:25
djszapiMohammadAG: how what ?19:25
javispedrosee what I was saying about not expecting much =)19:26
vitaminjGeneralAntilles: Angry Birds, Twitter and dataloss19:26
MilhouseOvi Music seems a good effort - though I doubt I'll be buying anything19:26
Milhousevitaminj: Twitter if you're lucky :)19:26
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, you'd figure I'd have learned after 5 years.19:27
GeneralAntillesBut nooooo19:27
vitaminjMilhouse: Well, true. I had it for a good 10 mins though. It does exist. Honest.19:27
javispedroGeneralAntilles: what should be worrying you is whether what will be shipped on the N9 crashes as much..19:27
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, achipa says the 1.0 firmware is better than Fremantle's 1.019:27
kkitomusic in ovi music is soooo expensive :(19:27
vitaminjThe browser does crash slightly less - my jenkins build server is now accessible19:27
GeneralAntillesBut, yeah, this is pretty pathetic if this in any way relates to what's likely coming with the retail product.19:28
berndhscanned music is over-rated anyway :)19:28
VenemoGeneralAntilles, it's marked as beta still.19:28
GeneralAntillesVenemo, yes, well, we're getting down to the wire for the N9 release.19:28
* GeneralAntilles doesn't have the energy to re-setup his phone today.19:28
VenemoGeneralAntilles, so what, everyone'll laugh at the N9?19:29
* Jaffa 's using the N900 as his phone. Much more satisfying ;-)19:29
VenemoJaffa, you said otherwise a few months ago :)19:29
* javispedro is currently well-served now that I know how to add xmpp accounts =)19:29
GeneralAntillesJaffa, I think I'm moving back, too.19:29
JaffaVenemo: I changed my mind after a weekend of the N950 stopping notifying you audibly of incoming calls.19:29
mece_javispedro, can has instructions plz?19:29
vitaminjJaffa: I wonder if they've fixed that in this version. the silent black screen was ... sub-par19:31
javispedroJaffa: fortunately, my metawatch now notifies me of calls....19:31
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javispedro.... after missing them (still only get the notification for the missed call, not the call itself) ;P19:31
Jaffajavispedro: How's the metawatch battery life?19:31
Jaffajavispedro: Yeah, that was sub-optimal whilst having lost wife in a museum19:31
faenilNews update??? :D19:32
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GeneralAntillesfaenil, don't bother.19:32
Venemofaenil, don't get your hopes up19:32
faenil? :O19:32
faeniloh :(19:32
GeneralAntillesIt's crap.19:33
vitaminjif you like twitter, or swipe to close ... more than your data19:33
javispedroJaffa: I understand, it was quite hard to explain why the "next generation phone from nokia" required a reboot to end a phone call ;)19:33
faeniloh :(19:33
faenilwhat's wrong with it?19:33
kkitothe new fw is better than the old one, it looks more faster and has twitter integrated19:33
javispedrowould you forget about your data19:33
kkitoand angry birds, joikuspot19:33
javispedrothey have already said there will _never_ be ssus for the n95019:33
Stskeepsnever? :P19:33
Venemojavispedro, ssus?19:33
Venemowhat is ssus?19:33
Stskeepsthat sounds odd19:33
Stskeeps[citation needed]19:34
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vitaminjseamless software update service - i.e. ota updates19:34
vitaminjsurely when/if we get the n9 rtm equivalent, it'll rumble along with those updates ota19:34
faeniloh so this fw is not up to date..19:35
djszapifaenil: it is much better, people just tend to complain :)19:35
kkitoI had no problems with phone calls with the previous fw19:35
faeniloh ok :D then stfu, I'm updating, lol XD19:35
faenilwhat are the known problems people complain about?19:36
hiemanshuI am going to stay back on 22 for a while19:36
hiemanshufaenil: everything19:36
hiemanshuesp aegis19:36
faenillike? come on :D19:36
djszapifaenil: still no gtalk by default, aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec does not work19:36
vitaminjfaenil: yeah, if you're not an aegis-troubler and can manually backup your data without relying on the built-in thing, this is actually a decent update19:36
djszapithose are the two serious issues to me.19:36
faenildammit xD19:36
mece_new fw is quite nice. I just managed to break twitter and then break ovi account trying to fix twitter :/19:36
GeneralAntillesfaenil, don't say we didn't warn you.19:37
faenilno I don't need to fight aegis as of now, so I don't care about that19:37
mece_what is this babbling about data? I lost no data updating.19:37
djszapifaenil: remember how much these people complained after 22 as well. I can say the difference it was much more silent :D19:37
GeneralAntillesBrowser is still broken.19:37
mece_naturally I backed up MyDocs...19:37
faenilbrowser broken in what19:37
Venemomece_, you lost your contacts. all.19:37
mece_Venemo, did I?19:37
djszapiVenemo: that is wrong19:37
GeneralAntillesI wish you could ignore people on IRC without it being incredibly confusing where there are long one-sided conversations with a ghost.19:37
Venemothe backup app did not restore any contacts for me.19:37
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: you can in irssi ignore messages from a person and any messages prefixed to the person19:38
djszapiVenemo: my vcard command worked for me.19:38
djszapiall the contacts were recovered.19:38
Venemodjszapi :) :) :)19:38
vitaminjmece_: I just did another restore after nuking the accounts dir and I'm (relatively) back to normal on the accounts front19:38
Venemodjszapi, care to enlighten me about your vcard command? :)19:38
MilhouseAnyone else got the "Interactive" app installed, or did that sneak in when I added my T-Mobile APN?19:39
djszapiVenemo: actualy, I posted that link to you more times.19:39
mece_vitaminj, did your ovi account work?19:39
Venemodjszapi, sorry, I was on the go19:39
kkitoI had no problems with contacts, i have the contacts syncronized with mail4excahnge and it works ok19:39
Venemodjszapi, it still disconnects sometimes.19:39
faenilGeneralAntilles: I've been symbian fw cooker for 2 years, I don't give a damn about data on my n950 :)19:39
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mece_I don't have mail for exchange19:39
Venemodjszapi, N950 could not open that page!19:39
djszapiouch :)19:39
vitaminjmece_: it's claiming to sync (with nothing, since the ovi "restore" actually does the opposite) and Maps "logs in"19:40
Venemodjszapi, shall I do this as root or as user?19:40
MilhouseIt's a shame the restore is an all or nothing19:40
faenilanyway, if this is beta2 and it has all these problems....19:40
MilhouseIt is worrying, as this seems to be a regression in several respects.19:41
djszapiVenemo: I think I ran it as root, might work for user as well, I do not know19:41
Venemodjszapi, works as user, but it can't open most of the vcf files19:41
Venemodjszapi, seems that the contacts which have accented letters cause a problem19:41
mece_is this a new issue? I synced my contacts from My N900 when I first got the device without any problems. Over bluetooth.19:41
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javispedrook, can't find the quote.19:43
javispedroeither way,19:43
javispedrothe current fw releases so far all have n950 specific packages19:44
javispedroso considering the soonish release date of the N9, I have my doubts on whether there will ever be a "unified" firmware.19:44
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faenilprobably never19:45
vitaminjfaenil et al: what are the sum total of all the new issues? aegis lockdown, old contact and sms backups don't restore, twitter login slightly bust, dev mode packages can't be found19:45
Milhousejavispedro: I'd be happy if an N950/N9 unified release appeared after the N9 launch - the N950 isn't the priority.19:45
javispedroplus considering the lack of willingness into putting gtalk on the n950 (lack of certification?)...19:45
faenilvitaminj: that's what I'm trying to understand xD19:45
GeneralAntillesMilhouse, the N9 isn't a priority either.19:45
GeneralAntillesNote that it wont actually be available in markets where anybody really cares.19:46
MilhouseGeneralAntilles: ha, true.19:46
mtdajalkane: I'v realized I acutally mean to update ringtones, but your blog post was interesting. Thanks again.19:46
GeneralAntillesI'm really surprised at how much Nokia is willing to undermine itself for Microsoft.19:46
VenemoGeneralAntilles, me too19:46
GeneralAntillesAnything that pushes Nokia into peoples mindspaces is not something to be squandered.19:47
vitaminjfaenil: I think it's less explosive than people are claiming. just the aegis stuff is annoying some. but if you're writing software with the aim of deploying on the n9, the lockdown decisions have been made already no doubt, so you're just getting a f/w which is closer to the "real thing"19:47
GeneralAntillesBut, nooo, we can't have this silly open source buggery competing with our glorious WP7.19:47
VenemoGeneralAntilles, Nokia's software development practices have proven many times that they are unable to create non-buggy software, open source or not19:48
mtdanyone gotten skype (telepathy-spirit) to sign in to skype?  I can add the account with mc-tool but can't get it to go online.19:48
djszapiVenemo: typical example is the weekly meego arm images.19:48
Venemodjszapi, I don't intend to flame about MeeGo now.19:49
djszapiwell, every company has bugs obviously :)19:49
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Venemoand some have more than others19:50
vitaminjfaenil: oh, the ovi store stuff from non-n950club members now works ... that's something I guess19:51
VenemoWHAT THE FUCK???19:52
ajalkanemtd: if you need to change profile's ringtone, its in profiled too. See the attributes in config files19:52
Venemoemail from facebook:19:52
VenemoIt looks like someone used your Facebook account to log into Nokia N9 (Monday, September 19, 2011 at 6:16am).19:52
Venemowho was it?19:53
mtdajalkane: excellent, thanks19:54
ajalkaneyou can log into N9 from facebook ? X-)19:54
Venemoprobably a misspell in the facebook client19:54
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MohammadAGAccounts UI stores passwords as plain text20:00
Stskeepsnot this argument again..20:00
javispedrothat's not really true anymore20:00
VenemoMohammadAG, but it's at least secure! whatever!20:00
javispedrothey are stored in aegisfs20:00
MohammadAGjavispedro, found them in a folder20:01
javispedroso they are encrypted .. with what key, don't ask me.20:01
MohammadAGa cat showed me my pass20:01
javispedroaegisfs is mounted in a directory20:01
MohammadAGfound them in ~/.signon/signonfs-mnt20:01
javispedrowhich is a aegisfs mount20:01
MohammadAGanyone found a way to get twitter accounts working after a restore?20:01
VenemoI deleted all my accounts20:02
Venemofrom accounts GUI20:02
Venemoexcept the Nokia account20:02
Venemoafter that, both Facebook and Twitter work20:02
MohammadAGI deleted signon's folder, that broke all AccountsUI20:02
vitaminjI binned the whole .accounts dir and it still didn't work20:02
Venemovitaminj, I used only the GUI for this20:03
vitaminjfacebook still works for me, just twitter is broken20:03
Venemoforgot to mention: I also cleaned the homescreen and rebooted20:03
Venemobefore re-adding them20:03
vitaminjI needed to re-enter my password into everything though20:04
VenemoI gotta leave now20:04
Venemowill be back later20:04
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vitaminjhow does that make any sense though - deleting other accounts ... clears up bad data for an account type that never existed before?!20:04
meceI deleted accounts, didn't help, then deleted db's, didn't help. still no twitter20:05
meceand now nokia account is broken.20:05
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MohammadAGfun times20:05
MohammadAGand I lost all my contacts' numbers20:06
emanSigh. It's really annoying that flasher can't manage to work on Fedora 15 x86_64 :(20:06
MohammadAGnames are there though20:06
vitaminjhow did that happen? from an import?20:06
mecei lost all contacts period20:06
MohammadAGnope, restored backup20:06
MohammadAGluckily I have them almost in sync with the N8620:06
vitaminjyeah, I did that and didn't get any. restore briefly shows an error about a tracker restore failure before rebooting20:07
arcean_eman: I've just flashed new fw on F15 x64 :)20:07
MohammadAGk this is annoying20:07
MohammadAGthis firmware seems like a back step20:07
emanarcean_: hrmmm. No idea why it ain't working for me. I've run it on both my desktop & laptop with the same results.20:08
arcean_eman: What kind of problem do you have?20:08
MohammadAGI had all this stuff working20:08
arcean_something with cdc_phonet & phonet kernel modules?20:08
faenilI mean how can this be a beta2 if there are so many problems?20:08
MohammadAGwell this explains why releases are always buggy :p20:10
meceit's not N9 software...20:10
MohammadAGby the time it hits that there will be more bugs mece :P20:11
emanarcean_: I'm getting the error message "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy". So something else has it open... I played a bit with udevadm monitor to make sure nothing else had it open20:11
frals... the only problem i see mentioned is that people copied over accounts.db and expected it to work?20:11
Stskeepsjust reflash completely, anything from the old backups are bound to fuck up things20:11
fralswhat he said ^20:11
arcean_eman: have you tried to blacklist phonet and cdc_phonet kernel modules?20:12
mecefrals, well restoring contacts is kinda important tho.20:12
MohammadAGStskeeps, no, I expected an option to select what I want to restore tbh20:12
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MohammadAGyou know, the way maemo 5 did it?20:12
emanarcean_: Just trying that now just before you mentioned it..20:13
vitaminjpresumably you can manually restore only the bits that work by selectively deleting the appropriate zip files in .backups20:13
Stskeepsyou got a development release and that isn't really considered a stable snapshot of any schemas or file formats in typical development20:13
MohammadAGvitaminj, no, there's a metadata file20:13
fralsmece: yeah, wonder why whoever put out the release didnt note that backups from 22 > 34 were not compatible20:13
MohammadAGStskeeps, so why aren't there weekly releases20:13
Stskeepsfrals: 10 bucks the tracker mafia didn't tell anyone20:13
mecefrals, thanks for the heads up, lol20:13
emanarcean_: Awesome! That did the trick20:14
mecedamn. i guess i just have to reflash20:14
fralsStskeeps: quite sure some manager yelled about it at some point when he got affected, but, yeah.. :P20:14
arcean_eman: nice :)20:14
StskeepsMohammadAG: heh, if you complain about this release, you're bound to really hate weekly relases :)20:14
emanYay :) Now I can finish my app..20:14
fralsStskeeps: +120:14
* dm8tbr just hosed his device and had to reflash ground up20:15
dm8tbrI just shrugged and grumbled that it would take me an hour. that's it20:15
dm8tbrit's called developer versions20:15
fralsnightly builds <320:15
macmaN_i have to say, 32-4 update has been a raging success for me.20:16
* frals heads of to finish the laundry20:16
MohammadAGStskeeps, actually, no, you guys get less of Aegis :p20:16
dm8tbrheh, yeah, that too20:16
macmaN_swipe down to close alone is worth it20:16
StskeepsMohammadAG: i've never had harmattan on my proto20:16
macmaN_some translation uglyness has been fixed, and everything incl navigation else works really smooth20:16
vitaminjI'm going to try to manually edit and get a semi-backup that doesn't hose the accounts. I expect failure but it's worth a shot20:17
StskeepsMohammadAG: unless strictly required for work, i try to stay close to whatever versions people in community have, else i dont see same issues as them20:17
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MohammadAGStskeeps, so you were on 22-6? :P20:18
StskeepsMohammadAG: for very long time20:18
mecevitaminj, what accounts do you need from the backup?20:18
wazdhey all20:18
StskeepsMohammadAG: until i had to verify the kernel flashing / rootfs flashing / MOSLO20:19
mecewazd, o/20:19
berndhsthere is hope for MOSLO ?20:19
vitaminjmece: email and calendar would be nice, but I should probably just stop being lazy and re-enter the details and let it re-download everything20:19
dm8tbrberndhs: it seems20:19
wazdoooh, new firmware :)20:20
ieatlintfirmware that's only 4 weeks old, yay :)20:20
Stskeepsieatlint: heh, just means it's testerd20:20
vitaminjmece: as long as it doesn't pull another wrong-way-sync. clean slate and all that20:20
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wazdmore than that, I SUDDENLY got a job! :)20:21
Stskeepswazd: congratulations!20:21
ieatlintStskeeps: tested so well that there's been over 10 internal builds since? :P20:21
Stskeepsieatlint: that's fairly normal20:21
ieatlintyeah, i'm just kidding with it all20:21
meceholy shit contact import from n900 now THAT has to be the most evil bug I've ever seen!20:22
wazdmece: tripple import?20:23
mecethe one where i import contacts to n950 and instead of importing it deletes the contacts from n90020:23
wazdmece: wow20:23
mecemind officially boggled20:23
Stskeepsmece: not sure i experienced that one20:23
wazdmece: that's hot :P20:24
ieatlintthat sounds like it could [also] be a n900 bug20:24
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Stskeepsthis why you don't say "synchronise"20:24
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meceall phone numbers removed, except for 6 contacts that appeared on the N950.20:24
vitaminjhas someone toggled the sync direction ui-wide?20:24
meceit was not syncronize it was import!20:24
vitaminj"restore this phone" does not mean "push your empty list to the other end"20:25
* wazd 's firing up ovi suite just in case20:25
vitaminjwell exactly20:25
mecei didn't restor, i used import contacts from other device20:25
vitaminjI'm so backing up my n900 as well20:25
infobotmece meant: i didn't restore, i used import contacts from other device20:25
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vitaminjok, so I mean changing the "import" logic to "export" system-wide20:26
vitaminjwhich is obviously silly, but seems to be what's actually happened to both of us20:27
MohammadAGk, settings restoration didn't help20:27
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* MohammadAG reflashes all this20:27
meceluckily i have backups on my n90020:27
MohammadAGoh right20:27
MohammadAGwhat's the equivalent of the U key on the N950?20:27
vitaminja clear "you will lose everything, don't try using backup/restore" on the release notes would have avoided a lot of this faffing and grumbling20:27
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ieatlintooh, the hotspot app is in it :)20:29
apol < I'm getting this error while trying to flash the device20:29
apol(device or resource busy)20:29
MohammadAGoh nice20:29
apolanyone has run into this?20:29
MohammadAGone of the things in the new update, a battery indicator when the device is off20:30
MohammadAGapol, superuser?20:30
apolI'm using sudo20:30
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javispedroMohammadAG: battery indicator when the device is off?20:31
apolif I'm root I get the same problem20:31
javispedroMohammadAG: you mean actdead?20:31
MohammadAGapol, device off before you plug it in?20:32
apolMohammadAG: yes20:33
ieatlintapol: something on your computer is taking control of the usb device20:33
ieatlintand then the flasher can't20:33
MohammadAGthere's phonet afaik that does that20:33
ieatlintif you take a look at the end of the output of dmesg about 30s after you plug in the phone, it should show info about it being detected, and may give some info20:34
apolwell it says it's a scsi device, just like any massive storage device20:35
apolI'm not sure what to do to prevent this from happening though20:35
djszapiN9mmm, maybe a skeleton package would help for now as a sample to try out simple binaries20:35
ieatlintperhaps an automounter is causing it20:35
djszapiN9apol have you tried to remove that phonet module ?20:37
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apoldjszapiN9: it says it's in use by another module20:37
MohammadAGso remove that20:37
apoldone, let's see what happens...20:38
djszapiN9apol try to blacklist that in rc.conf for now and reboot20:38
faenildoes the new have AccuWeather app in it?20:38
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apoldjszapiN9: ok... what does it do?20:39
vitaminjfeanil: yeah20:39
apolwell anyway, brb20:39
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* ajalkane feels brave after a bottle of red wine and a couple of beers. Flashing of new firmware starts!20:39
ieatlintdrunk flashing is always brilliant20:40
faenilwhat about Swype? that's vital to me20:40
Arkenoi_ah? there is new firmware?20:40
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MohammadAGfaenil, no20:41
Stskeepsswype? the current OSK is bloody fantastic20:41
Stskeepson screen keyboard20:41
MohammadAGOn Screen K20:41
Stskeeps / VKB20:41
MohammadAGwhy do I even bother20:42
djszapiN9apol have you checked your checksum against one correct one ?20:42
faenilwell but you know...swype = +50% speed and -50% need to concentrate on where you hit20:42
faenilanyway :)20:42
MohammadAGStskeeps, do you have like those EEG readers or voice recognition or something? :P20:42
StskeepsMohammadAG: part of the matrix20:42
ieatlintfaenil: swype is coming to the n9 at least20:42
Arkenoi_wow, 34-220:43
faenilI know that swype is there on newer n950 fws...20:43
Arkenoi_still no OTA, just OCF?20:43
Arkenoi_does landscape mode work properly now?20:43
Arkenoi_or better at least?20:44
djszapiN9ieatlint mmm, it is still not available on my internal image - swype20:44
vitaminjArkenoi_: apparently not, and qml apps which don't explicitly allow landscape can't be forced by opening the hwkb any more20:44
faenildjszapiN9: settings -> keyboard -> enable swype20:45
faenilgive that a look20:45
ieatlintdjszapiN9: not available, no, but the option is there20:45
MohammadAGoh really?20:45
MohammadAGI should visit those N9s on RDA then20:45
Arkenoi_which messaging protocols are available?20:45
MohammadAGsame + twitter20:45
ieatlintdjszapiN9: if you go look at the keyboard settings, you'll see an option to enable skype, and even configure it, but it doesn't actually start up swype20:46
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mecewow i'm so full of fail20:46
faenilguys can you please try looking there? settings -> time and language -> text input -> enable swype20:47
MohammadAGcontacted Nokia about my overheating issue20:47
VenemoMohammadAG, what did they say?20:47
ieatlintfaenil: not there on the 34-2 image20:47
mecei was going to play floorball but turns out i went to the wrong place, and i managed to fuck up contacts in both phones so i can't call and ask where it is!20:47
Arkenoi_Does switching to and from landscape still damage desktop icons?20:47
MohammadAGVenemo, Thank you for your email regarding Device Distribution Program.20:47
MohammadAGYour email has been directed to Device Access Services ticketing queue and will be replied as soon as possible.20:47
MohammadAGArkenoi, yes20:48
faenilieatlint: so real swype is not even there on latest internal image?20:48
djszapiN9i do not settings , keyboard option20:48
ieatlintfaenil: yep20:48
djszapiN9have *20:48
faenil:( how does that come :(20:48
Venemofaenil, no such menu item20:49
Arkenoi_And I guess I still cannot turn stupid "smart" keyboard behavior off even for physical keyboard?20:49
djszapiN9not even the option for me directly in settings20:49
djszapiN9faenil let us cry together :p20:50
faenilhave been waiting for so long just to get swype, and it's not even there on latest internal build... me sad20:51
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* faenil sad20:51
MohammadAGSwype is on the N920:51
Arkenoi_if keyboard and landscape mode were not fixed i will probably wait for the next update, because there is nothing worth seeing there20:51
faenilMohammadAG: I agree, but that doesn't mean anything :)20:51
ieatlintcry away..
MohammadAGyes it does20:52
faenilArkenoi_: if there will be any next update..20:52
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MohammadAGfaenil, there will20:52
faenilieatlint: trying to kill me? XD20:52
djszapiN9ieatlint, where is this option ?20:52
DocScrutinizermece: no local backup on N900?20:52
ieatlintas faenil said, Settings -> Time and language -> Text input20:53
Venemoieatlint, ..................20:53
djszapiN9time and language xd20:53
ieatlintyeah, not the most obvious20:54
mecedoc, yeah, i'm restoring20:54
ieatlintbut despite bringing up a bunch of settings for swype, it doesn't do anything. i don't have a swype keyboard20:54
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* Arkenoi_ wonders if anyone besides me consider "smart" capitalization to be extremely annoying and actually a bug20:55
faenilieatlint: that's strange anyway..20:55
MohammadAGieatlint, change the active input method20:55
GeneralAntillesArkenoi_, I hate it.20:55
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Venemoieatlint, wut's your fw version?20:55
ieatlinton my n950, the same as everyone else, 34-220:55
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Venemoieatlint, how is that possible?20:56
apoldjszapiN9: disabling phonet didn't help20:56
ieatlintthat screenshot isn't from this20:56
apolIt goes a little further but I still get the same error20:56
apolany idea? :/20:57
faenilguys are the bins inside the exe ext4 images?20:58
faenilor what?20:58
mtdArkenoi_: yeah, I wish I could easily turn that off20:58
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* Arkenoi_ wonders who the fsck infests nokia with "brilliant" ideas like that or like thinking it is a good idea to give up handling unknown mime type in browser instead of saving it20:59
sandst1faenil: there's the rootfs bin and the emmc bin20:59
djszapiapol: and you turned the device off by pressing the button for more than 8 secs ?21:00
Arkenoi_given it is pretty similar on symbian and harmattan, it should be same person :-)21:00
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GeneralAntillesArkenoi_, hate the MIME thing too.21:00
Arkenoi_maybe we can just kill him and then phones will behave as intended21:00
apoldjszapi: yes...21:00
javispedroapol: single user mode =)21:01
djszapiapol have you checked the checksum ?21:01
apoldjszapi: yes, it's fine21:01
djszapiI would try manual cold flash21:02
faenilso is there anyway to open the bins and see what's inside?21:03
djszapifaenil: yup21:03
apoldjszapi: what's manual cold flash?21:03
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sandst1apol: flashing with sudo ./flasher -f -F <rootfs.bin> -F <emmc.bin> -c21:05
MohammadAGVenemo, join #maemo-ssu please21:05
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faenil_had to log off21:06
faenil_I could not read21:06
faenil_or write...djszapi did you write anything after yup?21:06
djszapisandst1: he left :P21:07
sandst1djszapi: seems so21:07
ajalkaneThe new FW rocks. This is said just before trying to get contacts back in.21:07
djszapifaenil: /tmp/selfextract.${RANDOM_NUMBERS}/*21:07
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faenil_I know where bins are :D21:07
faenil_I was talking about how to look inside bins :D21:07
djszapiwhat else do you need ?21:07
sandst1faenil_: flasher -F <file.bin> -u21:08
djszapimmh, sandst1 is smarter :;p21:08
faenil_sandst1: to extract the bin?21:08
sandst1faenil_: yup21:08
faenil_not on the phone :P21:08
faenil_what about vi? :D21:09
ajalkaneThe Feeds app is now QML?21:09
MohammadAGthey copied the iPhone21:09
sandst1faenil_: well if you prefer reading a binary file with vi to unpacking the rootfs, then go for vi :P21:09
faenil_I wanted to know how djszapi would have used vi to unpack it21:10
MohammadAGthe status area lights up in annoying green during a call21:10
MohammadAGit's shiny on the iPhone :/21:10
sandst1ah :)21:10
javispedroMohammadAG: the status area?21:10
javispedroI kinda triggered that behaviour in the old firmware21:10
sandst1djszapi: i'd also be interested in seeing some vi magic with the bin images : P21:10
javispedrodon't know why but I got he status bar replaced with a green bar21:10
djszapisandst1: well he wanted to look into the binary, not unpack it :)21:11
wazdooooh, commercial contestant to the MeeCast approaching :P21:11
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mecewazd, what's that?21:11
Stskeepscould someone dpkg -l | grep opengles on a n950 beta2 for me?21:11
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wazdmece: accuweather21:11
faenil_djszapi: lol21:11
apoldjszapi: it still errors in single user mode21:11
djszapiI think that was advised by javispedro..21:12
apolwell XD21:12
djszapiapol, I would try to flash it manually by getting the binaries.21:12
Stskeepswazd: you can easly make something better21:12
djszapiapol and make a cold flash by using -c21:12
macmaN_$ dpkg -l | grep opengles21:12
macmaN_ii  opengles-sgx-img-common                                        1:1.4.268+0m6                                                  PowerVR SGX support libraries21:12
MohammadAGat least make it do the same as the iPhone21:12
StskeepsmacmaN_: thanks21:12
MohammadAGwhen clicking it on the iPhone it opens the call21:12
ajalkaneThe accuweather has some corporate advantage as it latches into the notifications view. Can third party software even do that?21:12
apoldjszapi: -c doesn't work21:13
mtdany new sharing plugins?21:13
macmaN_it seems that i am not able to import the directory full of vcf files now that i exported before reflas21:13
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wazdStskeeps: Well, I just briefly checked it and I guess we already did :)21:13
mecemacmaN_, from x-term?21:14
mecemacmaN_, oh misread.. right yeah it doesn't work.21:14
macmaN_mece: no, from gui. i exported with gui, didnt think i wouldnt be able to import later.21:14
mecemacmaN_, same problem21:14
wazdStskeeps: I wonder where are all those crazy fx from the video21:14
macmaN_mece: maybe its buried somewhere in Settings?21:15
MohammadAGajalkane, no, not afaik21:15
ieatlintoooh, the mesage telling me there is no warranty for this device in the about screen is gone21:15
ieatlintclearly this means something21:15
macmaN_lol ieatlint21:16
macmaN_ieatlint: yes it means now you can make official complaint to djszapi21:16
wazdStskeeps: now we can finally hack on the weather widget for "feed" view21:16
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ieatlintdjszapi: fix my broke ass shit... i demand satisfaction or a refund21:16
MohammadAGieatlint, it's down there in about :P21:17
MohammadAGI noticed that21:17
faenil_sandst1: -u is not a valid parameter21:17
djszapiieatlint: what is wrong ?21:17
ieatlintoh, damn, you're right21:17
MohammadAGfaenil_, -U21:17
ieatlintdjszapi: disregard21:17
MohammadAGdjszapi, don't fix his broke ass shit21:17
faenil_specifying usb device21:18
djszapiMohammadAG: no, unpack is -u21:18
MohammadAGmy bad21:18
sandst1faenil_: damn, they've hidden the option..21:18
faenil_bastards XD21:18
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djszapiyeah, they have hidden many options..21:18
MohammadAGyou can use the old flasher21:18
faenil_let's get the old flasher21:19
sandst1that one has it21:19
djszapiapol: that might also be a try for you (old flasher)21:19
faenil_bad boys wants to prevent me from studying it xD21:19
djszapifaenil_: how come ? You can study it on the device21:20
faenil_well, it's much better with a 15" screen, u know :P21:20
djszapifaenil_: use ssh ?21:20
faenil_yeah that's another option21:20
apoldjszapi: I think I'll try it on another system first21:20
djszapiapol: I hope it helps.21:21
sandst1djszapi: also, ls runs faster with 4-6gb of memory :P21:21
djszapisandst1: rewrite ls in asm for optimization :p21:21
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faenil_-u is not in the command list21:22
MohammadAG  -u, --unpack[=ARG]          Unpack a FIASCO image21:23
faenil_I don't have that here..21:23
faenil_.flasher 3.11.521:23
ajalkaneThe VKB comes a bit smoother up, nice.21:23
faenil_(the old one)21:23
faenil_which version are you using mohammadag?21:24
sandst1faenil_: get an Older one. the N900 flasher, 2.5.221:24
RST38hGentlemen, where do I get Chatter and FBreader/QML?21:24
MohammadAGflasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009)21:24
RST38hLost the debs and the URLs21:24
ajalkaneGetting old contacts and calendar entries worked just fine as I had them synced to google services21:24
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djszapisandst1: come to the Qt Developer Day ?21:25
RST38hah found chatter21:25
faenil_mohammadAg: so did you use n900's flasher to flash new fw?21:25
MohammadAGRST38h, where?21:25
faenil_our of curiosity21:25
RST38hMohammad: rZr repoI think, a moment21:26
MohammadAGit can't handle it21:26
faenil_ok ;)21:26
ajalkaneAnd some of the important things: There's now wallpapers to choose from.21:26
sandst1djszapi: nope.. crossing events in calendar21:26
faenil_guessed that21:26
djszapiN900 flasher did not work for me either half a year ago or so21:26
RST38hYeah, RZR repo21:26
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faenil_djszapi: new project at uni, find and implement a good UI for 3D CrossWords21:27
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smokudoes n950 flasher work under x64 distro?21:27
djszapismoku: yes21:27
djszapiat least on arch :p21:27
smokuERROR: Unable to enumerate USB buses!21:27
smokuexactly the same problem I have with N900 flasher21:28
MohammadAGsmoku, there's a flasher for amd64 and i38621:28
RST38hMohammad: Just for the fun of it, try "apt-get install diff" ;)21:28
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djszapismoku: I am using the 32 bit binary, though on my x86_6421:28
smokuMohammadAG: the download page gives me only one option "Linux (565 MB)" - how do I get the 64bit flasher?21:29
ieatlintwhile i understand the reasoning, does anyone else find it a bit funny that it's the nfc-enabled version of angry birds installed?21:29
djszapismoku: it is inside that21:29
MohammadAGsmoku, what he said ^21:30
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MohammadAGbasically it picks what it wants21:30
MohammadAGor you can CTRL+Z the binary when it asks for a USB device and use the files in /tmp/selfextract*21:30
ieatlintthey also haven't fixed the keyboard in terminal... to get a /, you still need to hold down alt/mod and @ simultaneously21:30
ieatlintdespite most other alt/mod combos allowing you to press alt/mod, release, and then press the second key21:31
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djszapiMohammadAG: I think time to create a skeleton package that is gonna be a sample for binary testing :p21:31
macmaN_mece_: looks like the only solution is maybe to import the vcfs into n900 and then sync n950 with n900 :>21:32
MohammadAGdjszapi, nah21:32
smokuMohammadAG: how do I extract it then?21:32
MohammadAGthere are better things to do :P21:32
MohammadAGsmoku, run the binary21:32
djszapismoku: the process will do that for you.21:32
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djszapiMohammadAG: well, that is the point. We do not wanna have a pain with testing binaries that much21:33
djszapiskeleton package could be adopted by anybody.21:33
MohammadAGQt Creator does them well21:33
djszapiwell, everything is the best for now then, alright :)21:33
smokuand pull it off /tmp. ok :)21:34
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ieatlinti wonder why gtalk support wasn't included21:34
ieatlintor skype for that matter21:34
djszapiskype was not there internally either, but gtalk was on 34-121:35
djszapiso I am staying with that one...21:35
smokugetconf LONG_BIT = 64, so it uses 64bit version :/21:35
ieatlintare there seperate n950 internal images now?21:35
djszapiieatlint: yes, quite a lot iirc.21:35
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ajalkanedisappointed about the lack of gtalk. Good thing about the mc-tool workaround21:36
ieatlintdamn, i traded sexual favours for the 38-1, but i don't think it'll work again for an updated n950 one :(21:36
mecehmm why is it downloading a 488Mb file when it says it should be 565Mb?21:37
macmaN_ajalkane: mc-tool enabling gtalk is a hack or just a cmdline way of doing it with no gui21:37
faenil_any tool to extract jffs2 in windows?21:38
djszapiI wonder whether I could fight this gtalk plugin out tomorrow from the SDK team in the repository..21:38
macmaN_mece: cdn caching joys probably. i never did get a correct download, had a gracious finn guy help me out just letting me download off his server21:38
djszapibut I will ask them about the why though21:38
mecemacmaN_, any chance to get a share?21:38
macmaN_djszapi: go d go j go s go z go a go p go i21:38
mecedjszapi, that would be lovely!21:38
djszapitelepathy-gabble is already there, so if they can put that package, that would change the world :)21:39
meceim is the thing I've been missing the most21:39
macmaN_mece: a bit later, i'm on the move right now and the image is in my laptop.21:39
mecemacmaN_, ok21:39
macmaN_mece: seems to have some approach for shell vcardconverter for loop21:39
macmaN_mece: i think that could work21:40
faenil_ok extracted mmc, it was fat32 :)21:40
mecemacmaN_, yeah21:40
faenil_what about jffs2? does anybody know a tool for windows?21:40
smokuif anyone is interested, the solution to "ERROR: Unable to enumerate USB buses!" issue is here:
macmaN_mece: tested, it works :>21:41
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mecemacmaN_, nice. did you unzip the contacts or how did you get those?21:41
macmaN_mece: no you just do Export Contacts from gui21:42
mecemacmaN_, but don't you need contacts for that?21:42
macmaN_mece: well i did that before flashing21:42
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meceso the vcards are not included in the backup files?21:43
faenil_mmm seems like it's a ubifs not jffs2..-.-21:44
macmaN_mece: not sure. but i just noticed that the for loop approach has some utf-8 filename problems21:45
macmaN_it cannot process vcf files that have umlauts in their names21:45
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macmaN_is that a busybox issue or what21:45
meceso is the old firmware available?21:45
meceassuming the backup works on the old firmware...21:46
djszapimece macmaN_ mail sent, let us wait for their answers. :)21:46
mecedjszapi, cool!21:47
vitaminjfrom the look of the old-firmware backup files, the contacts backup works but the sms one doesn't21:47
macmaN_$ vcardconverter Väljaots_Andri.vcf21:47
macmaN_Unable to open Väljaots_Andri.vcf: No such file or directory21:47
meceanyway, is there somewhere one can find the old firmware?21:47
MohammadAGthey darkened the UI21:47
macmaN_so which one is at fault here21:47
MohammadAGfor the AMOLD screen I guess21:47
macmaN_busybox or vcardconverter21:47
piggzooo, beta 2......21:48
djszapimacmaN_: Venemo told that, it does not really handle the utf8 characters well21:48
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sure, what else21:48
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, aegis says hi in a louder voice now21:48
MohammadAGat least you can change the lockscreen's wallpaper21:48
Venemodjszapi, utf8 filenames to be exact21:48
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djszapiVenemo: yeah21:48
macmaN_djszapi: ok so some mv into temporary file needs to be added to the loop21:48
macmaN_that should probably work21:49
* DocScrutinizer folds and crumples aegis to a ball, swings his baseball bat... HOMERUN!!!21:49
djszapimacmaN_: please extend the relevant wikipage with those extensions.21:49
djszapiso that others can benefit later.21:49
Venemo[20:47] <macmaN_> Unable to open Väljaots_Andri.vcf: No such file or directory21:50
Venemoexactly the error I get21:50
meceso nobody knows where one can find the image for the first beta?21:51
macmaN_Venemo: right. but just putting mv "$i" ._temp.vcf; vcardconverter ._temp.vcf; should work just fine21:53
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macmaN_filename actually is not important at all21:53
VenemomacmaN_, and isn't it working?21:54
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macmaN_it is. i actually just wasted another 10 minutes of my life trying to log into meego wiki.21:56
macmaN_and i cant do it21:59
macmaN_main site lets me log in, wiki doesnt recognize it21:59
mecehmm.. now my phone is a black screen with an arrow going in a circle in the middle.21:59
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meceanyone care to send me or link to a mirror for the linux oneclickflasher? I can't seem to download it from
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meceyeah ok, this is bricked.22:02
mecewould be really nice with an image to flash it with now.22:02
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VenemomacmaN_, thanks! it's working!!!! :)22:02
macmaN_Venemo: of course it is, you can't beat shell script magic22:03
macmaN_even if you're elop22:03
VenemomacmaN_ :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)22:03
macmaN_and give direct orders and bonuses to make vcardconverter choke on utf8 filenames22:03
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macmaN_only thing is i forgot to try to export my texts22:04
macmaN_although im not even sure thats possible22:05
emanAny solutions to flashing problems:22:06
emanbb5_rdc_cert_read failed22:06
emanClient SUD failed to handle message 0x88:0x0822:06
emanClient SUD failed to handle message 0x88:0x0822:06
macmaN_mece: ok getting a move on, ping me in about an hour22:06
mece"clear device" wasn't joking... it's cleared in the sense that you can't even start it...22:07
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piggzwhen it says 'Erasing, this may take a while' its not kidding ;)22:09
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emanmece: Did you end up trying the old firmware?22:10
mecepiggz, ah yes. found it on fmc22:10
meceeman, well I have to to get my contacts, but nobody tells me where to find it, and I haven't found it through developer site or the forums.22:11
meceI never flashed the device before, else I would have the image on my computer.22:11
vitaminjmece: I've foraged around a lot, I'm guessing the cdn has binned it. I never reflashed the old image either.22:12
DocScrutinizerpfoooh *sigh*22:13
emanmece: I've still got the old image around22:13
emanI can upload it (though will take a while)22:13
meceeman, cheers!22:15
meceyeah the old image is removed from links give 40422:15
DocScrutinizermece: I think old image still available somewhere ;-)22:15
meceDocScrutinizer, hmm.. where would that be?22:15
meceDocScrutinizer, I'm sure that's true, but I haven't found it.22:16
mecefound these links:
mecebut they go 40422:16
mecewow that clear device thing takes AGES!22:17
piggzyay, finally finisher the 'erasing' stave22:17
piggznow got a nice progress bar22:17
DocScrutinizermece: good question, I seem to have forgotton where I've seen it22:19
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emanmece: Upload will take about 1.3 hours22:22
emanFile is 584612813 bytes long22:23
meceeman, it's ok, I found an old image22:23
vitaminjmece: oh?22:23
mecestill need the new image tho.22:23
emanah, okay22:23
vitaminjmece: is the nokia website being agumentative? wget -c not good enough?22:24
mecevitaminj, haven't tried wget22:24
piggzman this is angry birds!22:28
alteregoOnly got four levels, and no magic :(22:28
mecevitaminj, clear device makes twitter client work again.22:29
piggzalterego: the haptic feedback feels different22:29
alteregoDidn't even work for me before22:29
alteregoAnd the fonts are different too.22:29
alteregoAnd  the whole things seems some what quicker ..22:29
MohammadAGI miss haptic feedback in the old version22:30
piggzi wonder if mfe will get my gmail now...22:30
piggzit does feel faster yes22:30
piggzand it didnt feel slow before22:30
piggzyay...mail came over mfe instead of imap22:32
piggzim sure that didnt work before22:32
vitaminjmece: cool, I'll do a reflash, a "special" restore, and then sync/copy/import/whatever contacts from my n90022:33
piggzdoes it have ;swipe down to close'?22:33
vitaminjpiggz: yes - settings, device, screen22:33
piggzvitaminj: thx22:34
vitaminjhrm, you can't sync contacts from ovi suite to ovi web, only from phone to web and phone to pc. more joined-up thinking!22:36
ajalkaneWeird, I can't find the Flashlight application from Ovi store anymore22:40
* piggz wishes he's backed up his feed list22:41
vitaminjajalkane: ditto, assumed I'd gone mad and/or downloaded it manually22:41
piggzwheres the option to enable dev mode?22:42
MohammadAGwhere's Aegis's MALF list?22:43
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* piggz found developer mode under securoty22:45
mecevitaminj, I absomalutely need to get those calendar dates imported. did you modify your backup?22:49
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VenemomacmaN_, ping22:51
Venemodid you write this?22:51
Venemofor i in *.vcf; do mv "$i" ._temp.vcf; vcardconverter "._temp.vcf"; done22:52
macmaN_i did22:52
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Venemodoesn't this eventually dele all .vcf files in the actual folder?22:52
jykaehey, what new flasher version brings to n950?22:52
macmaN_Venemo: it does22:52
jykaerelease notes somewhere?22:52
macmaN_i guess cp is safer :>22:52
Venemofor i in *.vcf; do cp "$i" ._temp.vcf; vcardconverter "._temp.vcf"; rm "._temp.vcf"; done22:53
macmaN_Venemo: ok edited :>22:53
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VenemomacmaN_ :)22:56
vitaminjmece: flash complete, just importing special edition backup in a moment22:57
rzri just saw about that fw release22:57
rantomAny experiences about the new FW?22:58
macmaN_rantom: i find very very good22:59
rzrhow long could it take to reflah it on windows host22:59
macmaN_i doubt its different on any of them22:59
rzri am now on a small island only w. n95023:00
rzrhow big is the archive23:00
macmaN_half a gig as usual23:00
mecevitaminj, what did you do with the backup?23:00
rzrthis will took me forever23:01
rantomOk, next question23:01
macmaN_i manually copied stuff i wanted out of the device before flashing23:01
rantomHow do I transfer the backup to my computer?23:01
vitaminjmece: deleted some of the zips and rummaged around inside another - let's see if this works23:01
macmaN_i wanted system stuff to be fresh23:01
mecevitaminj, did you modify the meta file?23:02
rantomNvm, found it, it's in .backups23:02
vitaminjmece: nope - did a dry run pre-reflash and it seemed happy with my meddling23:03
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rantommacmaN_: Btw, any experience about Bt-handset or GSM-coverage in new FW?23:04
vitaminjmece: calendar is ok, accounts and email (despite leaving the email db in the backup) are empty - just setting up twitter23:05
Venemogsm coverage seems a lot better23:05
dm8tbrdepends if there is a new CMT firmware in this23:05
Venemodisconnections are a lot rarer23:06
Venemoand even if I get out of coverage (eg. in metro), it can restore the connection (without the apps noticing any disconnection)23:06
meceI don't think I've been disconnected once with the old firmware.23:06
vitaminjmece: "sorry, can't connect to twitter" GRAH23:06
meceoh wait.. data connection.. yeah23:06
mecevitaminj, DOH!23:06
meceyou were supposed to leave out accounts.23:07
rantomCan't update OTA so I'll have to update OneClickFlasher-method :(23:07
vitaminjok so it must be something else - maybe I should look at those backup files more carefully23:07
rantomOh well23:07
vitaminjI did leave out accounts, the email db is a separate file23:07
rantomI'm very, VERY, glad to see that there's WiFi hotspot in this FW23:08
rantomI wasn't even expecting it23:08
macmaN_rantom: hmm no, havent connected my jawbone yet23:09
rantommacmaN_: Ok. I'll try it some day since it was horrible in the old FW23:09
macmaN_im off to bed23:10
rantomNo, not horrible, inusable is the right word23:10
Venemodoes the wifi hotspot app work reliably?23:10
rantomThanks anyways23:10
dm8tbras reliably as some add-hoc thingy can work...23:11
* dm8tbr had lot's of 'fun' with it and his windoze work laptop ...23:11
rantomNoob asking23:12
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rantomHow do I start the .bin from OS X in Terminal?23:12
rzrwhat about xmpp ?23:12
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dm8tbrmc-tool? :)23:13
mecerzr, no xmpp :/23:13
mecehey so should I export vcard 2.1 or 3.0?23:13
dm8tbrif you want XMPP. I'd strongly suggest to look at writing an custom account-plugin for it23:13
dm8tbrit would be awesome. and there is example code available23:14
vitaminjrantom: instructions are on the download page - chmod +x [file], ./[file]23:14
rantomvitaminj: Yes, I read those, didn't work23:15
rantomIt doesn't print "waiting for suitable USB-device"23:15
dm8tbrmeego/harmattan account plugin, not bitlbee, different tool...23:16
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rantomvitaminj: chmod +x <Mac_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin> ./Mac_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin23:16
rantomDoesn't work without the <>23:16
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rantomDamn I'm stupid...23:17
vitaminjrandom: two separate commands? don't use the angles, press tab to make sure the filename is right?23:18
rantomvitaminj: Yes, I ran it now as two separate commands23:18
rantomchmod +x FILE23:18
rantomnothing happens23:18
rzrhow did u get your n950 ?23:20
rantomStskeeps: ^23:20
Khertanrzr : via dhc23:21
rzrls -l file23:21
infobotAll conversations are logged to Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily.23:21
KhertanHello all :)23:21
Venemohey Khertan23:21
rantomrzr: I've helped in the CE in #meego-arm23:21
rzru probally overide that file when u used >23:21
rzrhi Khertan havent u noticed some cut and paste issue between apps  sometimes ?23:23
rantomYep, re-downloaded, re-chmod and now it is waiting for it23:23
rzrhow to resured fenix ?23:24
Khertanrzr, sometime no, often yes23:24
Khertanrzr, this occurs specially between qml and not qml apps23:25
Khertanspecially fennec23:25
Khertanand email23:25
Khertanso how many of you did you flash for the new firmware ?23:26
rantomFlashing atm23:26
alteregoI'm running it23:27
alteregoall fine here :)23:27
rantomJust happened to visit the OneClickFlasher-site and noticed the date, almost instant "heck yeah I'll flash it" :P23:27
mecemine is ok now, except I don't have contacts and one of my email accounts don't work.23:27
nibblerjust flashed. and i really like what i see23:27
Khertanwhat did you see ?23:28
rantomA N95023:28
alteregoI like the added weather bit in the feed home screen23:29
nibblerKhertan: many small improvements and bugfixes. and a twitter app \o/23:29
rantomDo the birthdays show up in it?23:29
rantomThe feed23:29
Khertaninstallation from non store source is off by default23:29
Khertanhum time to backup :)23:30
rantomIs restoring the backup as simple as to paste .zip's to .backups ?23:30
mecerantom, unfortunately that will mess things up in a big way.23:32
vitaminjrantom: don't do that you'll nuke twitter23:32
mecerantom, also you'll not get the contacts23:32
Khertanhum, not really nice23:32
Khertanhow backup contact so ?23:32
meceexport to vcard apparently23:32
vitaminjmece: I've pretty much blitzed the important bits of my home dir and twitter still isn't working23:32
DocScrutinizermy import of * from 900 to 950 old FW resulted in 98 contacts imported fine, but none of the events/calendar_appointments23:33
vitaminjperhaps I should approach this problem from the other end and restore zips one by one and see which one fries it23:33
mecevitaminj, mine is working now, but I haven't restored, so I have nothing there.23:33
DocScrutinizerno todos here, so can't comment on those23:33
rantommece: Ok, so I have a useless backup. Oh well, I don't really care about the conversations..23:34
mecerantom, pretty much yeah.23:34
rantomvitaminj: I won't nuke twitter, I don't even have an account to it23:34
Khertanit s not a good news23:34
mecerantom then it's fine23:34
vitaminjrantom: yeah, those don't get restored either. in fact they didn't get backed up - the file is empty23:34
mecerantom, you still won't get the contacts23:34
rantommece: I backed up my contacts23:35
VenemoKhertan, in old fw, export contacts to files. in new fw, you can hack those .vcf files into the contacts app23:35
mecerantom, how?23:35
rantommece: Simple. Contacts - bottom right corner - Export contacts and tap all of them23:35
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rantomTakes a while23:35
vitaminjrantom: is the right answer23:35
rantomThen USB to the computer and copy-paste folder23:35
mecerantom, then you can import them via script23:35
vitaminjrantom: the wrong answer for "how do I backup" is of course "use the backup app"23:36
rantomIn this case, yes23:36
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vitaminjand then don't expect ovi contacts to save the day, as "restore device" actually means "let device replace your database with its (empty) database"23:37
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rantomNah, I don't use OVI really23:38
meceI managed to do that to my N900 contacts23:38
rantomMight try to download Flashlight and Filemanager again23:38
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rantommece: I imported my contacts from my N900 to N950, worked like a charm. Except that some addresses were off (ÄÖÅ) and some data was missing, I think23:39
mecerantom, with the new firmware?23:39
rantomNo, the old23:39
mecereantom, yeah that worked perfectly23:39
mecerantom, the new, not so much.23:39
rantomWell crap23:40
rantomLuckily I have only 48 contacts23:40
meceI have 300ish23:40
rantomAnd maybe 20 of those I can scrap23:40
vitaminjwould I be totally out of whack to suggest that this release got not quite enough testing23:40
mecewell the ones testing it had releases in between..23:40
vitaminjand if so, why can't they just give us access to nightly/weekly drops?23:40
rantomvitaminj: You're not filling me with hopes. I'm running the N950 as daily device..23:41
mecevitaminj, then we'd have these problems every week23:41
* rantom is preparing to boot N900 up..23:41
mecerantom, me too, so I'm just slightly screwed23:41
vitaminjif the official line is "you'll drop your data each time" (which I'm perfectly fine with)23:41
mecei did not expect the backup tool to fail.23:42
macmaN_rantom: my contacts ÄÖÄÕ imported fine from N90023:42
vitaminjyeah I'm using it as my main device too23:42
mecemacmaN_, how did you do it finally?23:42
rantommacmaN_: Then I remember wrong23:42
vitaminjjust went back to the n900 to backup contacts and grimaced at the ui23:42
rantomBut there was some issue in the bt-sync from N900 to N950 in the old..23:42
macmaN_mece: do what, when?23:42
mecemacmaN_, to get the contacts23:42
vitaminjrantom: I think that was stability, rather than not remembering which way to send the database23:43
macmaN_oh, i initiated the transfer from some n900 buried menu item23:43
rantomAlright, flashed23:43
vitaminjI'm flashing again too and trying the least dangerous backup-restore possible, to see at what point the hosing occurs23:44
rantomI did read that there was no DEVELOPER EDITION present anymore23:45
rantomNever realised the space that it took23:45
macmaN_yeah, topbar is freedom galore now23:46
rantomOh, SIM-card services app is there23:46
rantomAngry Birds \o/23:46
vitaminjuntil it puts "emergency calls only" in there23:46
rantomNo "swip to bottom to close" yet23:46
vitaminjat which point there's no room any more. giveth / taketh away23:46
vitaminjrantom: it's in settings, screen23:47
rantomvitaminj: Yep, just checking it23:47
meceyeah I'm out. tata.23:49
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macmaN_i don't like a greyed out "back" button in UIs23:53
macmaN_ovi store app seems to have chosen this approach23:54
macmaN_if there's no back operation possible, hide the damn button23:54
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macmaN_i just supported thp buying gpodder off ovi store23:55
macmaN_but the download hangs at "started downloading"23:55
macmaN_anyone experience this with Store?23:55
macmaN_some other free apps downloaded and installed fine23:55
macmaN_trying a fresh reboot now23:56
DocScrutinizerUHUH, OVI thinks I synced with a Nokia Dali+ device, whatever that is23:56
macmaN_Dali, that's a speaker brand23:56
rantomDownloading developer-mode..23:57
rantomI just hope that the darn Ovi Store would work now23:57
rantomI want Filemanager back23:57
MohammadAGI want flashlight23:59
MohammadAGit's not on it anymore23:59
rantomThat too23:59
rantomAnd newsflow23:59
macmaN_oh yeah, gotta reinstall file manager23:59

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